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Elden Ring: Nightreign
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Chris and Jon talk about the new FromSoft
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Introduction to the Anti Fanboy Podcast
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DeeBo
Hello, you are listening to the all new anti fanboy podcast for the month and day and week of June the 1st, 2025. How the heck are you? It's been a few weeks.
00:00:14
DeeBo
I almost died today. I got stabbed in the butt, kind of, sort of. But with me, ah the also the one who tried to stab me in the butt, Steve O'Tierry.
00:00:19
Dick VanMeat
With a dick.
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Steve-O
Hey, you know what? I tried to do it for you, the listener.
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DeeBo
Another stabber, Galani.
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werthersoriginal
I was also filming.
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DeeBo
And ah this one, he told me he did it for The Rock. ah John Suarez.
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Dick VanMeat
What? rock?
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DeeBo
I did it for The Rock.
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Dick VanMeat
That's weird.
00:00:37
DeeBo
Steve gets it
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Steve-O
It's a Rikishi reference.
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DeeBo
That's all that bad. You're Rikishi in this scenario, John.
00:00:41
werthersoriginal
me
00:00:41
Steve-O
The Rock ran over Stone Cold so The Rock would be considered for the championship.
00:00:42
DeeBo
You fucking idiot. No, Rikishi did it. Yeah, John.
00:00:48
Steve-O
Or the Rikishi did it.
00:00:48
DeeBo
Rikishi ran over Stone Cold so The Rock could get the title without Stone Cold being there.
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werthersoriginal
John, how stupid
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DeeBo
Because
Humorous Personal Stories
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werthersoriginal
can you be?
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DeeBo
Stone Cold was injured and he had to be out for a few months to get injury surgery on his neck.
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Dick VanMeat
Sometimes... Listen, listen. Listen, sometimes, sometimes like, over over the course of our friendship, which has been, what, like 20 years now, I felt left out and kind of like an outcast when you guys would drop the the wrestling stuff just because i I didn't grow up with it like you guys.
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werthersoriginal
ah
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DeeBo
Yeah.
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Dick VanMeat
This is not one of those times. I do not feel left out right now.
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werthersoriginal
You don't feel bad at all.
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DeeBo
So you did it.
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Steve-O
Ha ha ha ha ha!
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werthersoriginal
oh
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Dick VanMeat
yeah i don't feel bad right now.
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werthersoriginal
Yes, I i agree.
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Dick VanMeat
So, no.
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DeeBo
You don't, I mean, actually, maybe I don't want to show you what he looks like. um Anyway, guys, how are you doing? It's been a few weeks.
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werthersoriginal
Yeah, dude, it's been while.
00:01:30
DeeBo
Somebody said, oh, Galani, it's Galani's fault. Galani's like, I don't don' want to do it. don't want to do it.
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werthersoriginal
I don't want to hear my voice again.
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DeeBo
I don't want it. So we we took a little break.
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werthersoriginal
And I ran away.
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DeeBo
We took a ah Memorial Day break.
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werthersoriginal
ah ran away for a week.
Entertainment Breaks and Reviews
00:01:46
Dick VanMeat
He said, he said skibbity toilet
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DeeBo
He said, skibbity toilet.
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werthersoriginal
I'm going watch all the skimmy toilet videos. And I ran.
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DeeBo
Yeah, Chris took a 13-day siesta to watch all the skibbity toilets.
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werthersoriginal
ah ran away.
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Steve-O
It's only a 14 minute watch, Chris.
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DeeBo
that's ah
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werthersoriginal
Uh, you have to break it up and...
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Dick VanMeat
wait Devin did you watch Karate Kid yet
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DeeBo
No, I didn't. Dude, I didn't watch any movie. I didn't watch that scary movie that I really want to watch.
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werthersoriginal
Oh, I want to watch that scary movie, too!
00:02:10
DeeBo
I know. of john or Chris knows what scary movie I'm talking about.
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Steve-O
You talking about scary movie?
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DeeBo
and No, it's a Bring Her Back.
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werthersoriginal
Philippou Brothers!
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DeeBo
Bring Her Back. Apparently it's good.
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Steve-O
Bring them back, y'all. Bring them back, y'all.
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DeeBo
Bring Her Back, Bring Her Back.
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werthersoriginal
Bring him back, bring him back.
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Steve-O
Here we go.
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DeeBo
Yeah.
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werthersoriginal
Ha, ha, ha.
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Dick VanMeat
You don't want to watch Lilo and Stitch? I did.
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DeeBo
Dude, I watched Mission Impossible and that was the that's all I got.
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Steve-O
You saw it?
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DeeBo
Did you guys...
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werthersoriginal
I ah read a book.
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DeeBo
yeah Oh, fuck you.
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Dick VanMeat
can talk about those.
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Steve-O
a
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DeeBo
but I read a novella.
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werthersoriginal
I read a book and watched the movie that the book was based off of.
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Steve-O
wo
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Dick VanMeat
what was the What was the book?
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DeeBo
Oh, wait, dude.
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werthersoriginal
i what I read we Need to Talk About Kevin.
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DeeBo
Yeah.
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DeeBo
Okay.
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werthersoriginal
And then I watched We Need to Talk About Kevin.
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DeeBo
Okay.
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DeeBo
did you Did you start and finish it in this two-week span, or had you been working on it?
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werthersoriginal
Kinda, yeah. I think I started reading it about...
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Dick VanMeat
That was the one with The Flash and John C.
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werthersoriginal
Oh, I started reading about three weeks ago.
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werthersoriginal
Yeah, Ezra Miller.
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Dick VanMeat
Reilly. Hmm...
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werthersoriginal
Ezra Miller, John C. Reilly, and Tilda Swinton round out the cast.
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DeeBo
Okay. Was the book better than the movie?
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werthersoriginal
It is much better than the movie. The movie was good. i will i don't want to detract that much from the movie, but of course... There's like a twist that is in the book that they couldn't really do in the movie. It just, it wouldn't work. And it's hard to describe it without revealing the twist in the book. Do you want me to spoil?
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werthersoriginal
We need to talk about Kevin.
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DeeBo
ah I do not mind.
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Dick VanMeat
Is it like, okay, from like, a Twist, from on the scale of Sixth Sense to Oldboy, like where does it fall on that spectrum?
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DeeBo
oh it's a dude. Okay.
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werthersoriginal
I'd be honest with you. It's not. It's. All right. So the plot of the book is the the wife of a man and ah the the who is estranged from her.
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werthersoriginal
um She is writing letters to him. Thank you for that.
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DeeBo
Okay.
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werthersoriginal
um She is writing letters to him about their son, Kevin, who has just ah committed a school shooting. specifically a school bow and arrowing um and crossbowing. Yeah, it's pretty brutal in that regard.
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werthersoriginal
um yeah, she's writing letters to him trying to explain to him how there were all these signs when he was growing up as a child that he was ah basically a sociopath.
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werthersoriginal
And he kind of ignored them. And he just wanted like a normal, happy American life. And she still loves him. And there is a twist.
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werthersoriginal
And the twist is that she's actually writing letters to her dead husband because Kevin killed her husband and her daughter.
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Dick VanMeat
Oh, so it is a six...
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DeeBo
Well,
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Dick VanMeat
That's Sixth Sense twist.
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Steve-O
hmm
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Dick VanMeat
That's not an old boy twist. That's a Sixth Sense twist.
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werthersoriginal
Yes.
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DeeBo
but well yeah, Oldboy's very particular twist.
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werthersoriginal
it's It's great, too, the way it's written, because she's you know talking to him like he's estranged. They got a divorce after what happened. And she's like, I'm just trying to figure out why Kevin is the way he is.
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Dick VanMeat
So John C. Reilly was dead the whole time?
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werthersoriginal
John C. Reilly dies. Yes, he was killed by Kevin.
00:05:30
Dick VanMeat
Damn, you fucking ruined it for me, dude. Dude.
00:05:33
DeeBo
Yeah, we specifically told you not You know what's funny? um You know what's funny is you were talking about this movie. And up until you got to the very end, i thought you were talking about like one of those like indie rom-coms, like Perks of Being a Wallflower or something like that.
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werthersoriginal
Yeah.
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werthersoriginal
Oh my God.
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DeeBo
And I was like, why would...
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Dick VanMeat
Is that an indie rom-com, Perks of Being Wallflower?
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DeeBo
Yeah, isn't it? Wouldn't you call that? it's got But, you know, I thought it was like that type of movie.
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Dick VanMeat
I don't know.
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werthersoriginal
It's...
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werthersoriginal
Well, it's it's weirdly romantic in the beginning because it talks about them eating for the first time, falling in love.
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Dick VanMeat
Was John C.
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DeeBo
Yeah,
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Dick VanMeat
Reilly funny in it, though? Because he's always funny and in everything i watch.
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werthersoriginal
Well, he's very... he plays that character perfectly. Like, that is really good casting for that role because he's kind of like aloof.
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Dick VanMeat
Wait, so how did he die?
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DeeBo
yeah. was it a
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werthersoriginal
Kevin killed him.
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Dick VanMeat
my god.
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DeeBo
But like, what'd he do?
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werthersoriginal
kevin killed Kevin killed him with a bow and arrow.
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DeeBo
you do
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werthersoriginal
He shot him in the face, in the neck, in the stomach.
00:06:23
Dick VanMeat
And then shot up the school. Oh
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DeeBo
At the time, oh, he's three.
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werthersoriginal
and then And then killed his sister as well.
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Dick VanMeat
my god.
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werthersoriginal
Yeah.
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DeeBo
Yo, Kevin sucks, bro.
00:06:30
Dick VanMeat
No wonder he was a. No wonder this actor went crazy. Ezra Miller.
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werthersoriginal
And they explain like the massacre is really brutal because he he locks everybody in the in the gym with like bike locks.
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DeeBo
I was
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werthersoriginal
And then he the gym has like a tier like above it, like stadium seating. And he just sits on the second tier, which he also locks and just shoots people below him with like
00:06:54
DeeBo
going to say that's almost exactly like when they killed all these club goers in Hellraiser 2.
00:07:02
DeeBo
But there wasn't a there wasn't a DJ monster who murdered everybody with CDs.
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werthersoriginal
um It's it's incredibly dark, engaging nightmare for a parent um and and about their child, because it's all about there were all these signs like he was clearly, clearly disturbed from like birth.
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DeeBo
Okay.
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DeeBo
So is the real villain Tilda Swinton for being a shitty mom?
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werthersoriginal
Well, that's the great thing about the book that is also not so much in the movie where you're like. she does blame herself a lot, but there is some things that she's very blind to.
00:07:38
werthersoriginal
Like she has a lot of blind spots and it makes her a little unreliable as you're reading it.
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DeeBo
Yeah.
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werthersoriginal
Cause you're like, well, you definitely had a hand in this and i don't think you're really putting the pieces together.
00:07:46
DeeBo
Yeah. Well, like when you fucking three piece to your dad and then you're like, well, let's keep them. Keep them around.
00:07:53
werthersoriginal
It's just like every, the context of the birth too. She was really ambivalent about the pregnancy. And then when she had the kid, it was like the worst pain she's ever felt. And, They found out that when she was giving birth to Kevin, she wasn't actually pushing.
00:08:07
werthersoriginal
She was keeping him in. Like, she didn't want to give birth to him.
00:08:08
DeeBo
Oh.
00:08:11
Dick VanMeat
That's weird.
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DeeBo
Kind of reminds me of that Rikishi plotline in WWE. All
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Steve-O
a
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werthersoriginal
I was going to say Mark Henry, but...
00:08:19
Steve-O
Oh, yeah, yeah, with the hand.
00:08:20
DeeBo
right, John, so this is what happened.
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werthersoriginal
Yeah. it
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DeeBo
Mark Henry, right? right Yeah.
00:08:27
Steve-O
Found a very old woman attractive.
00:08:27
DeeBo
ah
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Steve-O
She gave birth to a hand.
00:08:30
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:08:31
werthersoriginal
Yeah, yeah, that one.
00:08:32
DeeBo
Hey, ah you know,
00:08:34
werthersoriginal
So yes, I watched the movie. I think the movie's fine. I just think the book is much better in a lot of ways.
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DeeBo
that's That makes sense. That makes sense.
00:08:42
werthersoriginal
Simple, right? That's basically yeah how
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Dick VanMeat
That's how it always is, isn't it?
00:08:44
DeeBo
Yeah. I
Mission Impossible Series Deep Dive
00:08:45
werthersoriginal
it mostly...
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DeeBo
watched a not so simple film.
00:08:45
werthersoriginal
Oh.
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DeeBo
um This was kind of a bucket list is too strong of ah of a term for it, but it was like I finally got around to watching this movie and it was the movie Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal and Denis Villeneuve's film.
00:09:00
werthersoriginal
Oh. Interesting.
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Dick VanMeat
enema
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DeeBo
um Man, that's a weird one. It's a weird movie. ah
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werthersoriginal
don't think I've seen that, to be honest.
00:09:13
DeeBo
It's...
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DeeBo
i Like, the movie ends, right? And it has a really shocker of an ending. And then immediately you have to be like, what the fuck? What did that mean? um And I was reading about it, and I just kind of don't buy it.
00:09:32
DeeBo
Like, I understand that's probably where they were going with it. But also it's like, it's just, there's too many things that i happen where it's not like you watch and you go, Oh, what brilliant storytelling. It just seemed like it cheated a lot.
00:09:47
werthersoriginal
Contrived.
00:09:48
DeeBo
Yeah. Um, good, like good performances and everything like that. Uh, it just kind of like the main story I was not in love with. And also, again, directed by, I'm pretty, I'm like 99%.
00:10:01
DeeBo
Yeah.
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werthersoriginal
Denny didvenny.
00:10:02
DeeBo
Yeah. Denis Villeneuve. Um,
00:10:05
Dick VanMeat
been in the river
00:10:06
DeeBo
That guy, i hate to say it, I hate to say it, that dude is wasted.
00:10:07
werthersoriginal
Denny didvenny.
00:10:10
Dick VanMeat
But he's...
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DeeBo
He is wasted when he is shooting just boring old cityscapes.
00:10:11
Dick VanMeat
He's ass.
00:10:18
DeeBo
Like, um' because yeahgarre this is 2013, so this is before Blade Runner, this is before Dune and all that. And before he really blew up, I think. So it's not like he just chose to not do anything with, you know, a $400 million budget or anything like that, but like,
00:10:35
DeeBo
It's just, he's just shooting people in a and an apartment or like on the street and it looks good, but I feel like he's not getting there.
00:10:42
werthersoriginal
So wait, Devin, the do you do you do you feel like, do you then, you kind of agree with like David Eggers where he said if I had to shoot ah car or a cell phone, I would, Robert Eggers, that I would shoot myself.
00:10:54
Dick VanMeat
ah Robert Eggers.
00:10:57
DeeBo
No, it's, I think it's like, yeah, yeah.
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werthersoriginal
That's what he said.
00:11:01
DeeBo
I i don't think it's like that.
00:11:02
werthersoriginal
yeah
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Dick VanMeat
Yeah, with a cell phone, a movie with a cell phone in it or something.
00:11:05
DeeBo
It's just like I look at this and I'm like, man, this this needs a flying car because Denis Villeneuve would have done something amazing with a flying car.
00:11:06
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:11:13
werthersoriginal
To be honest, I think ru that quote is, I think for some directors, like I kind of agree. I agree. I think it applies to Denny too.
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DeeBo
Yeah.
00:11:20
werthersoriginal
Like, yeah, he's, he's got a big mind and I think he's, his scope of his movies, the bigger scope movies are always his best.
00:11:29
DeeBo
Mm-hmm.
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werthersoriginal
And yeah, he, he could be wasted. I get that. I understand what you're saying completely.
00:11:34
DeeBo
Yeah. And and the real the real quick brief sell is Jake Gyllenhaal plays a college professor, kind of like just going through the motion in his life, has a girlfriend, teaches at this college, hate kind of like clearly is not satisfied with it.
00:11:54
DeeBo
You know, his girlfriend comes over, they sleep together, he drinks and he just kind of like repeats the cycle. And one of, I guess another professor was asking him but if he was like in the movies or not.
00:12:05
DeeBo
And he's like, well, you know, whatever. And he's you should watch this, this movie. And it's just, you know, it's a movie we've never heard of, right? It's just like ah a fictional movie, but he watches it. And then he's something.
00:12:17
DeeBo
And he was like unimpressed with He's like, okay, that's all right, cool. ah But then something's bugging him about it and he goes back and rewatches it and there's an actor, like a background like extra, that looks exactly like him.
00:12:30
DeeBo
And he's like, that's weird. And then he kind of does some research, finds the guy and, you know, we kind of go from there. um So it's interesting.
00:12:41
DeeBo
It's just, you know, the movie ends and you're like, okay. And then just good luck doing some research about it. But I also, i did want to bring up ah Chris, you rewatched it. I watched Sharp Corner for the first time a few weeks ago. I, that movie, I really liked that movie.
00:13:04
werthersoriginal
Yeah, isn't that great?
00:13:04
DeeBo
It stuck with me a little bit.
00:13:06
werthersoriginal
it's It's one of those movies you you think about for for a while afterwards and you think about how certain things affected you.
00:13:10
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:13:15
werthersoriginal
Specifically for me, um inanimate objects and how they could be extremely creepy and imply so much in movies.
00:13:19
DeeBo
Mm-hmm.
00:13:23
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:13:25
werthersoriginal
um Specifically that sign and his house around his house.
00:13:28
DeeBo
Yeah, dude. i yeah just Yeah, that one I was like, huh. I was chewing on that one a little bit. um
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werthersoriginal
Simple, simple concept, but like complete character development.
00:13:40
DeeBo
Yeah.
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Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:13:41
DeeBo
ah Quick shout out as well. I finally, finally finished Invincible. ah That's awesome. ah Really, really good.
00:13:49
werthersoriginal
Yeah. That second season, third season, third season,
00:13:50
DeeBo
Yeah. No, it's just the second half of season two.
00:13:55
werthersoriginal
second a half of season. Yeah. Okay.
00:13:56
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:57
werthersoriginal
That's it.
00:13:58
DeeBo
And again, that's kind of the problem at the same time, but it's still like, at the end of the day, that show's really fucking good and really worth your time.
00:14:06
werthersoriginal
Yeah, and and this season felt like the the end really pulled out a lot of stops. Like, they really...
00:14:11
DeeBo
Mm-hmm.
00:14:13
werthersoriginal
i haven't I stopped reading at a certain point, so this stuff is all kind of fresh to me.
00:14:17
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:18
werthersoriginal
But this was, like, huge.
00:14:20
DeeBo
Conquest rules. I love Conquest.
00:14:22
werthersoriginal
Yeah, that was something, the man. Holy goddamn!
00:14:24
DeeBo
Yeah, he's the best. um also Also, I saw um ah saw the movie Friendship with a Tim Robinson.
00:14:33
Steve-O
Oh, nice.
00:14:35
DeeBo
ah That movie plays basically you know like ah its own season of I Think You Should Leave. like It's almost like an unofficial season four.
00:14:48
DeeBo
um And I saw it, and I laughed, and I liked it.
00:14:48
werthersoriginal
Interesting.
00:14:53
DeeBo
And then I kind of, you know, just went on with my my week. But goddammit, like all the best skits. It's like I was on a Reddit post and then just like somebody was just quoting the movie.
00:15:07
DeeBo
And I was like, goddammit, this is so fucking funny.
00:15:09
werthersoriginal
It's, it's, I kind of think of it is going to be like that Tim and Eric movie, you know, like,
00:15:14
DeeBo
yeah Yeah, it is a little, yeah.
00:15:15
werthersoriginal
Basically, they're sketches over over a film format.
00:15:19
DeeBo
It's kind of exactly like that. you know obviously There is a narrative thread to a point. um But God damn it. you There's a clip where he's talking about eating. He's like, oh man, I really want a group of guys to eat the the SEAL Team 6 meal.
00:15:36
DeeBo
And he's just obsessed with the SEAL Team 6 SEAL, which is six racks of ribs and macaroni and cheese.
00:15:40
Dick VanMeat
Mm-hmm.
00:15:43
DeeBo
And he's like, this is the meal SEAL Team 6 ate after they killed Osama Bin Laden.
00:15:45
werthersoriginal
Ha ha ha ha
00:15:48
Steve-O
you
00:15:50
DeeBo
I'm on Reddit. I'm just seeing these people just post like, oh man, I'm going to see that right before I see a new Marvel. I heard it's insane. And it's just, it's it's giving that kind of meme-ing type of type of comedy that is just kind of sneaks up on me.
00:16:10
DeeBo
ah to the And we'll talk about that. We'll talk about this. I also saw Mission Impossible. John, you also saw Mission Impossible.
00:16:19
Dick VanMeat
I watched all the Mission Impossibles last week.
00:16:21
werthersoriginal
So, John, you you had quite the experience because you've watched every Mission Impossible movie until the last one, and then you saw that in theaters in a week.
00:16:21
DeeBo
Dude, you watched all of them.
00:16:25
Dick VanMeat
I watched every single one. Yeah, I watched it all in a week. I watched it all in one week.
00:16:32
Steve-O
Mmm.
00:16:33
Dick VanMeat
So my opinions were very, we were very fresh.
00:16:33
werthersoriginal
You binged it.
00:16:37
Dick VanMeat
yeah i thought it was going to be burned out, but it wasn't. I was actually like super pumped for the, for the last one after, um, watching, um, Dead Reckoning.
00:16:45
DeeBo
Dude, Dead Reckoning, or yeah, yeah, Dead Reckoning, I watched that. That's the only one I watched right before I saw the movie.
00:16:54
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:16:55
DeeBo
That holds up, dude. Not even holds up. It's not like it's old, but like, I was like, this is good time.
00:16:58
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, so here here are my rankings, Devin. do you Do you agree with these?
00:17:03
DeeBo
who Oh, oh.
00:17:04
Dick VanMeat
So I broke them out in three categories. I scored the villain. i I gave it a goon score, which is...
00:17:12
DeeBo
You did, you did.
00:17:12
Dick VanMeat
How sexy are are the the actors in it? Not just the females, but the males as well. And then ah the movie score is just like how good of a movie that I think it was.
00:17:24
Dick VanMeat
like
00:17:24
DeeBo
okay
00:17:24
Dick VanMeat
And that that that involves like, this was the story good? Was it enthralling? Was the action fucking gripping? And usually, like as you can see from the movie scores down the list, they're all pretty high except for Mission Impossible 2.
00:17:35
DeeBo
yeah yeah it's like really stupid yeah
00:17:39
Dick VanMeat
And I don't want to say the action was bad in Mission Impossible 2, but just like everything else about the movie as a whole was bad. But the Goon score for that one is very high because Thandie Newton in her prime is bit, you can't really compete with that basically.
00:17:54
Dick VanMeat
Like she was, she's unforgettable in that, in that movie, but
00:17:54
DeeBo
Yeah, I know. I had, I think I, honestly, John, I think I did what you did, but for Dead Reckoning. I think I rewatched all of them up to Dead Reckoning.
00:18:05
Dick VanMeat
up to dead Reckoning. Oh, okay.
00:18:06
DeeBo
Yeah, because I kind of done something similar and I was like, wow.
00:18:06
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:18:10
Dick VanMeat
you Do you agree with some of these?
00:18:10
werthersoriginal
So Rogue Nation, so according to you, Rogue Nation is kind of like the perfect right down the middle Mission Impossible movie, right?
00:18:20
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, but that... It's also... what Like, okay, so... this is my This is my very basic breakdown, Chris.
00:18:23
DeeBo
Revelation is the I kind of forget the most.
00:18:25
Dick VanMeat
And I think... I think i think you'll agree with me.
00:18:26
werthersoriginal
Interesting.
00:18:28
Dick VanMeat
I still think Ghost Protocol is my favorite one. Because it has the best...
00:18:31
werthersoriginal
Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
00:18:33
Dick VanMeat
I think it still has... I don't want to say the most impressive stunt, but it's got the most, like, photogenic, most cinema, cinema graphic, if that's even a word, stunt that there is just him climbing the Burj Khalifa is just like, it's just on, it's like, it's really like unforgettable.
00:18:48
werthersoriginal
incredible and it's funny and it's fucking funny tense funny yeah
00:18:51
Dick VanMeat
And like, and it's, it's a funny scene too, when he says no shit. Like, I love that dude. Like that's, I love that. And then, yeah. And if that followed by like the, um the fucking chase in the sandstorm is like, dude, you really can't like, that's a, that's a movie, right?
00:19:05
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:19:07
werthersoriginal
if I I would tweak your goon score for for ghost protocol too for me that's a nine that's a nine
00:19:07
Dick VanMeat
Like that's so
00:19:13
Dick VanMeat
Oh, because of of Pat... What's her name? For Patton? Paula Patton?
00:19:17
werthersoriginal
Lea Sudo and Paula Patton.
00:19:17
Dick VanMeat
for Yeah, I mean... Yeah.
00:19:21
werthersoriginal
got I got it. I got it. That's the only thing I disagree with on this list.
00:19:22
Dick VanMeat
I know. Okay, okay, okay. I mean, that's fair. i toy i toy around with that, with the Goon score a lot. um And then, like, I didn't think... Because i I'd never watched the McHugh ones up until last week. That's the first time I watched them the McHugh Mission of Impossible. Because I kind of, like...
00:19:41
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:19:42
Dick VanMeat
when they changed directors, I don't know, maybe it was just too much time and pass. So I remember loving ghost protocol, but then not really feeling like I needed to watch rogue nation when it came out. So like watching rogue nation was like, fuck it. I was like, Whoa, this is like, this is actually really good.
00:19:57
Dick VanMeat
This is actually a really good movie. Like, yeah.
00:19:59
werthersoriginal
It's fun.
00:19:59
Dick VanMeat
Like I, I kind of like, I kind of agree with Stinn where it's like, I like, I, I sometimes in some, in like, in some cases, I kind of prefer the heistiness of,
00:20:11
Dick VanMeat
the classic Mission Impossible more a little bit, as opposed to just like the entire world and all their armies versus Ethan Hunt, which is what it becomes.
00:20:14
Steve-O
Mm-hmm.
00:20:21
Dick VanMeat
Like it just becomes a military movie. But like still like the like like raising that degree, like makes makes the stunts really higher stakes. And I think that's why they went that direction. And I think and I don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's actually a good thing.
00:20:38
Dick VanMeat
Because the stunt, like, but Rogue Nation's the one, and again, these are kind of a blur for me, but Rogue Nation's the one where where he's on the plane, where he's, where he's like, on the door stuck on the door of the plane in the beginning, right?
00:20:43
werthersoriginal
It is kind of a blur. Rogue Nation's kind of what one hard to remember.
00:20:45
DeeBo
Yeah, Road Nation.
00:20:50
werthersoriginal
oh really? oh I really like that.
00:20:51
Dick VanMeat
I think that's the one. that not Not only that, but, like, the the the opera scene with Rebecca Ferguson.
00:20:57
werthersoriginal
Oh, wait! The cube! The smoky cube!
00:21:01
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, yeah,
00:21:01
werthersoriginal
yeah as i remember I remember everything.
00:21:02
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. yes So like, yeah, I didn't think I was going to like Rogue Nation at all. And i was like, this is like, this is actually like, because the, the, um the, there's the motorcycle chase scene too, which is kind of like what they tried to do in Mission Impossible 2 with the, the Porsche versus the Audi, which is what they were, you know, basically, basically copying off of BoldenEye, shot for shot, basically.
00:21:22
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:21:27
Dick VanMeat
um
00:21:28
werthersoriginal
Devon, gonna drop you into a sewer in a cube.
00:21:29
Dick VanMeat
But like, it was just like way cooler because he's on fucking crotch rocket with no helmet.
00:21:31
DeeBo
yeah
00:21:34
werthersoriginal
Fill that cube with gas.
00:21:34
Dick VanMeat
That like that. Yeah. Like Rogue Nation was like really good, but like Fallout, it's hard for me to not.
00:21:40
DeeBo
Fallout's so good, yeah.
00:21:42
Dick VanMeat
It's it's hard for me to not say that that's that that that's the best one in the series, because I ah really there are like there are things where I was talking to Devin last week. I'm like, oh, yeah, like we're talking about Dead Reckoning. I'm like, oh, yeah. And then this happened. This happens. and I was like, wait a minute.
00:21:57
Dick VanMeat
That's a Fallout. I'm like, this movie's like stuck in my head, read free.
00:21:58
DeeBo
yeah
00:22:00
Dick VanMeat
Because like, there's so many, because he does the big halo jump in it, which is like insane, because it's real.
00:22:04
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:22:06
Dick VanMeat
Like, that's a real fucking high altitude, what called?
00:22:06
werthersoriginal
That is pretty cool.
00:22:09
Dick VanMeat
High altitude, low opening.
00:22:10
werthersoriginal
Dude, low opening.
00:22:10
Dick VanMeat
so Yeah, like that's, Tom Cruise is fucking, he's a fucking psycho, dude. Like, who would do that?
00:22:16
DeeBo
It's
00:22:17
Dick VanMeat
and And the people that support him in doing this, like, it just like, it seems like very unorthodox for Hollywood type movies. But, Yeah, the Halo jump, and then, like, the fucking bathroom fight scene is, like, it's really, like, in my head, rent-free.
00:22:30
DeeBo
so good, dude.
00:22:32
Dick VanMeat
Like, that might be one of the best fight scenes in a movie in general, I think.
00:22:36
Steve-O
That's where he loads his arms, right?
00:22:36
Dick VanMeat
Maybe. Dude, it's, when he does that, man, whoo!
00:22:39
Steve-O
a
00:22:41
Dick VanMeat
And then there's there's the scene, too, right before they break Solomon Lane out of the fucking, of the prison, of the prison car, where he cracks, where Henry Cavill cracks his neck right before shit's about to go down, and, like,
00:22:47
DeeBo
Yeah, when they like tip over the, yeah.
00:22:54
Dick VanMeat
like Things like that are very small, but like it really adds to the mood and attention oh of the scenes and like really it gets you...
00:23:01
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:23:02
Dick VanMeat
It makes you feel like you're part of the movie, which is like something that the all of these movies basically do. But like you know you don't...
00:23:08
werthersoriginal
I pretty much agree with everything on this list, except I would, I would have ghost protocol. That's it. That's the only switch I would make.
00:23:15
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, no, I mean... So, yeah, this is the thing where I have to acknowledge that that is my favorite one. But just on terms of this very basic and uh fucking swiss cheese kindergarten uh scoring system i have for it fallout just ends up being number one
00:23:29
werthersoriginal
So John, I gotta, I gotta to ask though, the most important question here. You have final reckoning at the bottom below mission impossible to do.
00:23:36
Dick VanMeat
yeah so dude i mean again well no that's not true it's tied to the mission impossible too it's just they're both a six i mean maybe i was harsh on it um
00:23:45
werthersoriginal
Is it? Oh, yeah, I see. I see. I know. Yeah.
00:23:52
Dick VanMeat
It's just like the movie score, could have been, like it should have been as good as Dead Reckoning, right? But like, it's just like that whole, the whole AI shit. It's just like, I'm not, I'm not into it.
00:24:06
Dick VanMeat
I don't, I think it's kind of a, it's kind of a cheap villain.
00:24:07
werthersoriginal
Yeah, i don't like it either.
00:24:10
werthersoriginal
It's the cheapest villain of the series.
00:24:11
Dick VanMeat
Like look at, look at the, look at the villain score for Mission Impossible 3. That like, Philip Seymour Hoffman, they still haven't reached that peak and they never would.
00:24:18
werthersoriginal
No. No.
00:24:21
Dick VanMeat
I don't think because that, that that like he might be That might be one of my favorite villains in any movie. Philip Seymour Hoffman's... Owen Davian or whatever his name is.
00:24:29
DeeBo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:30
Dick VanMeat
He is truly...
00:24:31
Steve-O
Mm-hmm.
00:24:32
DeeBo
know
00:24:33
Dick VanMeat
Philip Seymour Hoffman, like, fucking... he He clicked it up a notch for that movie.
00:24:34
werthersoriginal
we
00:24:38
Dick VanMeat
is It was really awesome. But, um... Yeah, Final Reckoning, dude, it's just like... And again, the scenes are awesome. The biplane sequence and the submarine sequence... The submarine sequence is really cool.
00:24:50
Dick VanMeat
Like, I wanted to get your thoughts on this, Devin, because... It was really awesome to see. But, like, somebody pointed out that, like...
00:24:56
DeeBo
yeah
00:24:58
Dick VanMeat
That entire sequence was almost entirely dialogue-free. Until he says, torpedo tubes. And it kind of takes you out of the scene.
00:25:04
werthersoriginal
Yo, Tramiel Tillman and Hannah Waddington are in this?
00:25:10
Dick VanMeat
he stole the movie. Tillman.
00:25:11
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:25:11
werthersoriginal
Isn't he great?
00:25:12
Dick VanMeat
but The guy... He completely stole the scene.
00:25:14
DeeBo
You must be out. your mind Yeah, he's awesome.
00:25:18
Dick VanMeat
He was like, you found...
00:25:18
werthersoriginal
He's a wonderful... He's such a wonderful actor.
00:25:20
Dick VanMeat
Dude, you should watch the movie just for his scene because like he really he made the entire audience laughs.
00:25:24
werthersoriginal
John, you should you should watch Severance, buddy.
00:25:26
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:25:26
Dick VanMeat
I know. I know I should. I know I should.
00:25:28
DeeBo
Yeah, you know, John, that was just the taste.
00:25:28
werthersoriginal
He's so fucking good in that.
00:25:30
DeeBo
That's a taste of Severance.
00:25:32
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, that's what I hear is that he, you know, he's.
00:25:34
werthersoriginal
He steals the show in that.
00:25:34
DeeBo
He's awesome. And I just love that he's in it because he's so good in Severance.
00:25:36
Steve-O
Mm.
00:25:38
DeeBo
Like, that's the only reason he's in it.
00:25:40
werthersoriginal
He needs to be a lot of shit, man.
00:25:40
Dick VanMeat
ah Because, yeah.
00:25:42
werthersoriginal
That guy is wonderful.
00:25:42
Dick VanMeat
Well, maybe he will.
00:25:42
Steve-O
a
00:25:42
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:25:43
Dick VanMeat
yeah i Dude, it's Tom Cruise, right? He pretty much, you know, guarantees.
00:25:46
DeeBo
He fucking makes, he makes you, dude.
00:25:48
Dick VanMeat
he's probably dude's probably Bro's probably going to be in the next Top Gun movie. They'll probably just throw him in there.
00:25:53
DeeBo
Oh, dude. Yeah. He's got that mustache.
00:25:54
Dick VanMeat
You know?
00:25:55
werthersoriginal
Oh, boy. Damn.
00:25:56
Dick VanMeat
Fuck.
00:25:56
DeeBo
Top gun. Oh, well, Chris will hate that one, but.
00:25:58
werthersoriginal
I don't know. Maybe not.
00:25:59
Dick VanMeat
But yeah, dude, it's not...
00:26:00
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:26:00
Dick VanMeat
Because, like, at least Dead Reckoning kind of had the AI stuff, too, but they still had, like, a solid, like, um story.
00:26:07
DeeBo
Dude, you know yeah ah like you know what really, really killed me for Final is like the villain is – like Gabriel is – like there's – I'm going to have some copium and say there was potential for him in Dead Reckoning.
00:26:14
Dick VanMeat
He's so bad.
00:26:23
DeeBo
I'm like, okay. Because he's like the flashback villain that started like Yeah.
00:26:28
Dick VanMeat
Well, my problem was that. It's like they threw the flashback of him in there ah where they they were. like It's like if they threw that in there expecting us to to remember him from a previous movie, and that was never happened.
00:26:34
DeeBo
No, I literally –
00:26:38
DeeBo
Dude, when I saw the movie, John, when I saw the movie, I was i was like, oh I guess he was in the first movie, and I just forgot.
00:26:39
Dick VanMeat
It never happened.
00:26:45
Dick VanMeat
Nope.
00:26:45
DeeBo
I didn't realize.
00:26:46
Dick VanMeat
No.
00:26:46
DeeBo
And then it was like, no.
00:26:47
werthersoriginal
No way.
00:26:48
DeeBo
And, yeah, spoiler alert. He's...
00:26:51
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, spoiler alert, Chris.
00:26:52
DeeBo
of it had Nothing of the substance happens with that at all.
00:26:56
Dick VanMeat
But yeah, not even that, but like the first third of Final Reckoning is fucking the same flashback over and over again from the first from the first movie too.
00:27:02
DeeBo
Yeah, like, it was like... Was there nothing?
00:27:05
Dick VanMeat
Like, I don't know, dude.
00:27:06
DeeBo
I heard they did rewrite it to... hilar John, you'll find um this amusing.
00:27:09
Dick VanMeat
We get fit better.
00:27:11
DeeBo
No, they rewrote it to make the AI plot simpler.
00:27:16
Dick VanMeat
Oh, it was more complicated? Oh my god, dude.
00:27:18
DeeBo
that's what i'm so So there's a scene, basically.
00:27:19
Steve-O
Mm.
00:27:21
werthersoriginal
Oh, no, really?
00:27:22
DeeBo
they said the shot They said they shot this like very late ah where Tom Cruise speaks to the and it kind of just like rapid fires and tells him what the deal is.
00:27:35
DeeBo
But it's still like...
00:27:37
Dick VanMeat
What?
00:27:37
DeeBo
When it goes into like the...
00:27:38
Dick VanMeat
the the When he puts the Oculus, the the meta the meta Oculus mask on and goes into the coffin?
00:27:40
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it goes into that... Yeah, they added that like really late in filming because they were like, this doesn't...
00:27:45
Dick VanMeat
It's an AI coffin. Oh, God, really?
00:27:48
DeeBo
It was like a reshoot. It was like a reshoot because they're like, this doesn't...
00:27:50
Dick VanMeat
ah
00:27:53
DeeBo
We need something to explain this plot. And...
00:27:54
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, that guys, they have they have an Oculus Rift coffin where Tom Cruise crawls in and like gets and gets to experience chat chat GPT in five dimensions.
00:28:00
DeeBo
Well, you you know what's funny is...
00:28:03
Steve-O
Oh, no.
00:28:04
DeeBo
Yeah, well, you know, dude dude, actually, this is the funny part, right, John?
00:28:05
werthersoriginal
ah
00:28:08
Dick VanMeat
And I'm not even trolling either.
00:28:08
DeeBo
is No, John, it's in it's in Dead Reckoning.
00:28:10
Dick VanMeat
That's literally what it is.
00:28:12
DeeBo
I don't know if you remember. Like, when Gabriel sneaks onto the plane, she opens it, and he's in it like a suit like a fucking cartoon villain.
00:28:19
Dick VanMeat
Oh, yeah.
00:28:20
DeeBo
And I was like, wow, that is ridiculous.
00:28:21
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:28:23
DeeBo
And then it's like a big plot point in the second one. and
00:28:26
werthersoriginal
So he gets in a big coffin, huh?
00:28:27
DeeBo
I mean, listen, listen, it is good. It's...
00:28:31
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, it's a good it's a good movie still.
00:28:32
DeeBo
Yeah, I would definitely not put it below Mission Impossible 2, Goon score or otherwise.
00:28:32
Dick VanMeat
I'm not going to say it's bad.
00:28:37
DeeBo
ah
00:28:38
Dick VanMeat
I mean, I put Goon Score lower than that one just because... ah
00:28:43
werthersoriginal
Not a Haley Atwell fan?
00:28:44
DeeBo
um my God, no.
00:28:44
Dick VanMeat
Well, i love... No, no, no. Stop it right there, Chris.
00:28:46
DeeBo
yeah Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm gonna.
00:28:48
Dick VanMeat
But they killed but they killed they killed fucking Rebecca Ferguson in Dead Reckoning.
00:28:52
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:28:53
DeeBo
You know, apparently she was ready. She was kind of ready to go. Like, I think she won it out because she...
00:28:56
Dick VanMeat
Apparently, the final scene, she's it looks like Ethan's walking with her in one direction at the end very end.
00:29:02
werthersoriginal
you ah John, I do admit, I'm a big fan of that Pum Clemonoff. I do like her in that Clemonoff.
00:29:07
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, she's good she's great in it, too.
00:29:08
DeeBo
um clement off Yeah.
00:29:09
Dick VanMeat
But her her her story arc barely is hanging on to a thread, too.
00:29:13
werthersoriginal
Ah!
00:29:14
Dick VanMeat
like It really doesn't make sense to me.
00:29:15
werthersoriginal
Dang, dang!
00:29:15
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:29:16
Dick VanMeat
Because it's like...
00:29:18
DeeBo
Yeah, she's not as <unk>s not as...
00:29:20
Dick VanMeat
Like, shit it's not really...
00:29:20
DeeBo
It's not as goony in this one, john Chris. Sorry.
00:29:24
Dick VanMeat
yeah yeah, it's just not as goony and, like, I don't know, dude.
00:29:25
werthersoriginal
Son a bitch.
00:29:27
DeeBo
She's not choking Tom Cruise with her thighs in a tiny alley.
00:29:27
Dick VanMeat
Like...
00:29:30
Dick VanMeat
And, like, and as much as I love Hayley Atwell, like, she was way, like, more s sexy and goony in Dead Reckoning than this one.
00:29:31
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:29:31
werthersoriginal
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:31
Steve-O
you
00:29:40
werthersoriginal
I see
00:29:40
Dick VanMeat
This one, she's kind of just there, you know? She's not going on a fucking... She's not driving a fucking supercharged Fiat through fucking Rome.
00:29:47
werthersoriginal
Controversial opinion.
00:29:48
Dick VanMeat
handuff Handcuffed to Tom... To Tom Cruise.
00:29:51
werthersoriginal
Her eyes are, her eyes are too close together.
00:29:51
Dick VanMeat
Like, that shit is so...
00:29:52
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:29:55
Dick VanMeat
Who, Haley Atwell?
00:29:56
werthersoriginal
Yes.
00:29:56
DeeBo
How dare you?
00:29:57
Dick VanMeat
You're a psychopath.
00:29:58
werthersoriginal
Look it up.
00:29:58
Dick VanMeat
She's perfect. She's flawless.
00:29:59
werthersoriginal
Look it up.
00:30:00
Dick VanMeat
No.
00:30:01
Steve-O
Look it up.
00:30:01
DeeBo
No, actually, actually, I think Chris, it's it's funny you say that though, because there was a moment where I was rewatching it and I got like, so turned on.
00:30:01
Steve-O
Wait.
00:30:01
Dick VanMeat
And I...
00:30:03
werthersoriginal
Look it up.
00:30:12
DeeBo
I had to text John and I was like, Oh my God, if Haley Atwell staring into my eyes in a Fiat, I would just melt.
00:30:18
Dick VanMeat
Oh yeah, you fold. yeah You you go fold like a fucking deck of cards.
00:30:19
DeeBo
I texted John.
00:30:21
werthersoriginal
You want that Cyclops to be staring at you?
00:30:21
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:30:24
DeeBo
Yeah, dude. Hell yeah. The Cyclops with those warlocks, dude.
00:30:27
Dick VanMeat
But like...
00:30:28
DeeBo
Let me see it all, baby.
00:30:29
werthersoriginal
going to be Leeloo in the Futurama live action movie.
00:30:30
Dick VanMeat
Dude, and the ah the other reason um The other reason Fallout it has such a high goon score too compared to the other ones is because Henry Cavill is fucking...
00:30:41
werthersoriginal
I see.
00:30:42
Dick VanMeat
He he is... ah
00:30:43
werthersoriginal
Beefcake. Beefcake Central.
00:30:44
Dick VanMeat
He's like a yeah, he's a he's a Thanksgiving meal. I said that's what I described him as he's a whole fuck.
00:30:48
werthersoriginal
Hmm.
00:30:50
Dick VanMeat
He's the turkey, the stuffing. He's everything, dude. His back is so you can see the sweat drip off his back through his through his dress shirt in the in the in the bathroom scene. And like and you know what?
00:31:03
Dick VanMeat
And like forgive me for being petty or for ah for loving this type of pettiness.
00:31:06
DeeBo
so
00:31:09
Dick VanMeat
But, like, the fact that they didn't let him shave his mustache for fucking Zack Snyder's Justice League because of this movie is like adds another layer of of respect to it.
00:31:18
DeeBo
You love that.
00:31:18
Dick VanMeat
Because they were like, yeah, because you're like, yeah of course like fuck your super your shitty Superman movie.
00:31:19
DeeBo
Yeah, you're like good.
00:31:24
Dick VanMeat
Like, we're not shaving we're not yeah we're not shaving fucking Agent Walker's mustache for that.
00:31:24
werthersoriginal
this This is better.
00:31:30
Dick VanMeat
Fuck you. CGI it, then, if you have all that money. Like, this is this is Mission Impossible Fallout. Fuck you.
00:31:37
DeeBo
Yeah, fuck you and your stupid superhero movie.
00:31:38
Dick VanMeat
You know?
00:31:40
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. And, like, and is' really like his character... like It really sucks because, like, Henry Cavill... He could take over a movie. He did in this one.
00:31:51
Dick VanMeat
And it's just... It really sucks that they' <unk>s he's a champion of toxicity right now. And I can't stand it.
00:31:57
werthersoriginal
A champion of toxicity, of toxicity.
00:32:00
DeeBo
but
00:32:01
werthersoriginal
Sorry.
00:32:02
Steve-O
No, Sushi.
00:32:02
werthersoriginal
aye
00:32:03
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, you know, it's ah it's a shame. I mean... ah the what the The one comparison I made was the send-off for for Daniel Craig's Bond compared to the send-off of Ethan Hunt for this one, and it's just it just wasn't on the same level.
00:32:15
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:17
Dick VanMeat
I'm not saying that... i Maybe No Time to Die is a better movie. I'm not sure. I don't know. Maybe they're equal. But like...
00:32:24
werthersoriginal
They're about on the same level. don't know.
00:32:27
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, like, I don't want to see...
00:32:28
werthersoriginal
I wasn't, I don't like No Time to Die. don't love it or anything.
00:32:31
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, but i thought I thought that it was like a really good set. Like, it was a good way to send off that that version of that character. I thought it way they did it was good.
00:32:39
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:32:40
Dick VanMeat
And I was expecting that level of send-off for Tom Cruise, but it's like...
00:32:44
werthersoriginal
It's definitive. It's definitive.
00:32:45
Dick VanMeat
And that and that's my problem with with Final Record. It's like, yeah, they say this is the last one, but it all it fucking didn't feel like it.
00:32:52
DeeBo
if you finish If you watch that movie, and like you would have never been like, oh, that felt like the last one.
00:32:58
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, it doesn't feel like it, right?
00:32:59
DeeBo
Yeah, it just feels like Rogue Nation.
00:32:59
werthersoriginal
if it the only way the only way i The only way I would know it's truly the last Mission Impossible movie, it if it no if it ends with the Limp Bizkit version of the Mission Impossible theme.
00:33:00
Dick VanMeat
i don't know.
00:33:02
DeeBo
It just feels like Fallout. Yeah.
00:33:06
Dick VanMeat
is if Tom Cruise is dead.
00:33:11
Dick VanMeat
No, man.
00:33:13
werthersoriginal
When you hear that, it's over. We're done.
00:33:15
DeeBo
It should have.
00:33:15
Steve-O
ma ma brown but down for present
00:33:16
DeeBo
It should have, I'll tell that much.
00:33:16
werthersoriginal
when when that ah when you hear that it's over we're done
00:33:20
Steve-O
I remember watching that movie so often at your house, Chris.
00:33:24
Dick VanMeat
What? Mission Impossible 2?
00:33:25
Steve-O
Two. It was always on HBO.
00:33:28
werthersoriginal
It was. Indicated out of the wazoo.
00:33:30
Dick VanMeat
Dude, it's that's leon that's Leon Kennedy's design. they They lifted straight off of that movie.
00:33:36
werthersoriginal
He may climb a mountain, so...
00:33:38
Steve-O
Makes sense to me.
00:33:38
Dick VanMeat
the knife The knife, the black shirt, and the the fucking tactical pants. And they even had he even had a scar on his on his face, too, just like Leon did after the Krauser fight.
00:33:49
Dick VanMeat
It's basically the same fucking story.
00:33:50
werthersoriginal
That little chase scene with him and Fanny Newton, I think you know ah I watched it somewhat recently.
00:33:55
Dick VanMeat
It's so bad, dude.
00:33:56
werthersoriginal
It is so fucking awful.
00:33:56
Dick VanMeat
It made me mad. It's horrible.
00:33:59
werthersoriginal
It is so stupid and cliche.
00:34:00
Dick VanMeat
and it doesn't And it doesn't make any sense. It's like, is John Woo really, like, is he really, like, this brain dead? Like, is that Like, it really sucks to, like, say that.
00:34:08
DeeBo
It felt like lazy jungle, yeah.
00:34:09
werthersoriginal
It's just cutting to Tom Cruise laughing like, ah and then Fanny Newton like do looking over and then he's like, and there's a truck coming.
00:34:10
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, just...
00:34:14
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. No, but then you watch, then you watch like, Goldeneye, or even Casino Royale. There's a car chasing in Casino Royale. But, like, the Goldeneye with, um... What's her name?
00:34:30
Dick VanMeat
The girl that plays Jean Grey? Yeah.
00:34:32
werthersoriginal
Oh, Famic Jensen?
00:34:32
DeeBo
Fan Jensen, yeah.
00:34:34
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, she it's her, yeah, right? Yeah, Famke Jensen in Goldeneye.
00:34:36
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:34:37
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:34:39
Dick VanMeat
Like, that scene's just way better.
00:34:39
werthersoriginal
On the top.
00:34:40
Dick VanMeat
And and again, Goldeneye, I don't even know if Goldeneye's good movie. It's just, like, it's got a lot of timeless...
00:34:45
werthersoriginal
It's okay. It's fine.
00:34:47
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, it's got a lot of timeless, like, themes and, like, people. But they they literally did the same exact fucking plot in Mission Impossible 2 with the rogue 006 agent that you have to fight.
00:34:54
werthersoriginal
man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:59
Dick VanMeat
Like, it's like the same shit. It's like, it's like ah come on, dude.
00:35:02
werthersoriginal
And it's nowhere near as climactic and cool as Sean Bean and Pierce Brosnan on that big satellite.
00:35:07
Dick VanMeat
Right.
00:35:07
DeeBo
yeah
00:35:09
werthersoriginal
That was pretty cool.
00:35:10
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:35:10
werthersoriginal
For England, James?
00:35:11
Dick VanMeat
Sean Bean.
00:35:12
werthersoriginal
No.
00:35:12
werthersoriginal
For me.
00:35:12
Dick VanMeat
For England James.
00:35:13
Dick VanMeat
Oh, man. Yeah. yeah
00:35:14
werthersoriginal
Then he drops him.
00:35:14
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:35:16
werthersoriginal
It's great.
00:35:17
Dick VanMeat
It's great. And is that that's not even like top four James Bond's Pierce Brosnan, too.
00:35:21
werthersoriginal
Yeah, that ending's fun. I like that ending.
00:35:26
Dick VanMeat
But yeah, so that's it.
00:35:27
DeeBo
Yeah, well.
00:35:27
Dick VanMeat
It was good. It was ah Final Reckoning was good, but like in a and eight when They have eight fucking movies that are like usually all almost all pretty good.
00:35:38
DeeBo
Yeah, dude, they're all like really fun to watch.
00:35:38
Dick VanMeat
It's hard. They're all watchable. Except for Mission Impossible 2.
00:35:43
werthersoriginal
Not like the Saul movies.
00:35:45
DeeBo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:47
Dick VanMeat
But it's like the same...
00:35:47
DeeBo
ah
00:35:48
Dick VanMeat
like the same like these are the I thought these were the reasons why Cruise wanted a different director for every Mission Impossible. And he did four with the same guy. And this is what we get as the last one.
00:35:57
DeeBo
yeah
00:35:58
werthersoriginal
I think it was a lot of Brian De Palma being like, I don't want to make a sequel. And he was like, well, that's maybe a good idea. We just get some, ah like a fresh take on it every time.
00:36:07
Dick VanMeat
We'll get John Woo.
00:36:08
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:36:09
Dick VanMeat
Director of Hard Boiled. To do this.
00:36:10
werthersoriginal
That's cool. Let me get little J.J.
00:36:12
Dick VanMeat
He's a cool guy.
00:36:13
werthersoriginal
Abrams and Philip Schreiber Hoffman.
00:36:15
Dick VanMeat
That was his first movie right? J.J. Abrams?
00:36:18
DeeBo
ah First movie? I don't know.
00:36:20
Dick VanMeat
i think I think that was his first movie. I think that's what I read.
00:36:23
werthersoriginal
Well, he wrote regarding Henry.
00:36:27
werthersoriginal
Know that.
00:36:27
Dick VanMeat
What's his first movie that he directed?
00:36:29
werthersoriginal
But he this may be his first directed movie. Directed movie.
00:36:35
DeeBo
Okay.
00:36:35
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, Mission Impossible 3 was the first one.
00:36:36
Steve-O
directed movie 2009
00:36:38
Dick VanMeat
Dude, that got him fucking... Because star wars Star Trek wasn't that far. Like, when Star Trek come out?
00:36:43
werthersoriginal
I think i think law Lost got him the Mission Impossible movie.
00:36:44
Steve-O
two thousand nine
00:36:47
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:36:48
Dick VanMeat
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:36:49
DeeBo
well on a Well,
Game Reviews and Mechanics
00:36:50
DeeBo
John, do you saw Lilo and Stitch?
00:36:53
Dick VanMeat
Yeah!
00:36:55
DeeBo
how I did not.
00:36:56
Dick VanMeat
ae I don't... I cried. they made it really They made a really sad part in it.
00:36:58
werthersoriginal
Oh.
00:36:59
DeeBo
Whoa.
00:37:01
Dick VanMeat
and it was I felt like it was a little too much.
00:37:05
werthersoriginal
how
00:37:05
Dick VanMeat
ah Do you care, Devin?
00:37:07
werthersoriginal
What did Owee think?
00:37:07
Dick VanMeat
If I spoil it?
00:37:07
DeeBo
No. I mean, I don't. Yeah.
00:37:10
Dick VanMeat
Oh, he liked it. But he thought't he just you know doesn't give a fuck about...
00:37:11
werthersoriginal
okay
00:37:13
DeeBo
He doesn't fucking understand.
00:37:14
werthersoriginal
You give a fuck?
00:37:15
Steve-O
Mm-hmm.
00:37:15
Dick VanMeat
But there there was like there was a part where like where fucking Stitch like fucking drowns in the bottom of the ocean.
00:37:21
DeeBo
Jesus.
00:37:22
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, it's fucking...
00:37:23
DeeBo
Yo.
00:37:24
Dick VanMeat
And they had to they had to like fucking they to revive him using a fucking car battery. like he was like I was like, why?
00:37:29
DeeBo
Wow.
00:37:30
Dick VanMeat
i was like, really? We're doing we're going this far?
00:37:33
DeeBo
Yo, dude, this movie made $610 million.
00:37:33
Dick VanMeat
Um...
00:37:36
DeeBo
dollars Holy.
00:37:37
Dick VanMeat
Dude, it's just free money, dude.
00:37:37
werthersoriginal
Totally knew it. Totally knew this movie was gonna <unk> hit like a bomb, dog.
00:37:39
DeeBo
That's a... I mean, I knew it was going to blow, but...
00:37:40
Dick VanMeat
Is it, like, how much, no, how much is that, how much of that is Japan, though? Japan loves Lilo and Stitch, dude.
00:37:44
DeeBo
So it's 280 domestic, 330, specifically Japan.
00:37:45
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:37:47
werthersoriginal
Hit
00:37:47
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, that's all Japan, dude.
00:37:48
DeeBo
guess. I guess.
00:37:50
Dick VanMeat
That's all Japan, dude.
00:37:51
werthersoriginal
like a bomb.
00:37:51
DeeBo
Fuck, dude. That is...
00:37:53
Dick VanMeat
And they're definitely gonna make another one. No, but, like, the, at that the, the, the Lilo actor was super cute. Like, she was, ah she was awesome.
00:37:59
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:38:01
Dick VanMeat
Like, um, the, uh, I mean, a lot of people were complaining that um that Nani wasn't a wasn't a smoke show, like like like the animated movie.
00:38:10
werthersoriginal
yeah She got big ass, man.
00:38:12
Dick VanMeat
Because that was the main complaint. Yeah, that was the biggest complaint.
00:38:13
werthersoriginal
She's got a big ass.
00:38:15
Dick VanMeat
But she was good in it.
00:38:17
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:38:17
Dick VanMeat
so And Zach Galifianakis, I actually i had um and a moment where I cracked up a little bit. I was the only one laughing. forgot what even happened.
00:38:24
DeeBo
Oh, he was in it?
00:38:26
Dick VanMeat
He was the what the the the scientist that makes them.
00:38:29
DeeBo
Oh. I know people were upset that a certain character wasn't in it, and I was like, I didn't even remember that character, so...
00:38:30
Dick VanMeat
about
00:38:36
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, I don't know.
00:38:38
DeeBo
Dude.
00:38:38
Dick VanMeat
But it was it was it was good, dude.
00:38:39
DeeBo
Oh.
00:38:40
Dick VanMeat
I mean, again, like I haven't watched every live-action Disney movie, but out of the ones I did watch, this one was far and away the best one.
00:38:52
Dick VanMeat
like it was way better
00:38:52
Steve-O
Really?
00:38:53
Dick VanMeat
was way better than Beauty and the Beast, better than Cinderella. um I actually did not watch Lion King. It's kind of a meme now in my house.
00:39:04
Steve-O
I watched the Lion King and that kind of like, I feel like I, it was like a blur in my head.
00:39:05
werthersoriginal
It's a meme.
00:39:05
DeeBo
I didn't watch it.
00:39:08
Dick VanMeat
yeah it's like it's like two it It was too realistic, I heard. and and like you know and i don't know.
00:39:15
DeeBo
Man, I feel bad, man.
00:39:17
werthersoriginal
ah Uncanny Valley?
00:39:17
DeeBo
Bring her back only me.
00:39:18
werthersoriginal
Uncanny Valley situation?
00:39:19
DeeBo
Dude, this was a pretty stacked weekend. Like, Lilo and Stitch, Mission Impossible, and the Karate Kid movie.
00:39:24
Dick VanMeat
Mission Possible didn't hold a candle through Lilo and Stitch in the box office.
00:39:26
werthersoriginal
Whoa, wait. but The Karate Kid movie made money? All
00:39:29
DeeBo
It made $21 million. So, it was Lilo and Stitch was $280 million.
00:39:33
werthersoriginal
right.
00:39:36
DeeBo
Mission Impossible made $122 million. Karate Kid Legends made $21 million.
00:39:39
Dick VanMeat
Dude, Lilo and Stitch cleared Mission Impossible.
00:39:41
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:39:42
Steve-O
A busy box office.
00:39:42
Dick VanMeat
Jesus Christ.
00:39:42
DeeBo
Dude, ah Final Destination Bloodlines made, still making pretty decent money.
00:39:43
werthersoriginal
They're crazy. What the hell were they thinking releasing it during Lilo and Stitch?
00:39:48
Dick VanMeat
yeah what Yeah, it's like, it's like yeah it's like it's like oh do you want to release your video game at the same day as GTA 6?
00:39:48
DeeBo
don't know.
00:39:48
werthersoriginal
That's pretty stupid.
00:39:55
Dick VanMeat
It's like that level.
00:39:55
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:39:56
Dick VanMeat
like How dare you disrespect them?
00:39:56
DeeBo
ah Yeah, but dude, it did better than the fucking Bring Her Back, like the Talk To Me people.
00:40:02
werthersoriginal
Damn.
00:40:02
DeeBo
That only made $7 million this week.
00:40:04
werthersoriginal
Yikes.
00:40:05
DeeBo
Dude, a 24.
00:40:06
werthersoriginal
Crowded schedule.
00:40:06
Dick VanMeat
Damn, dude, sinners Sinners made a lot of money.
00:40:07
werthersoriginal
Crowded.
00:40:08
Dick VanMeat
Total, dude.
00:40:08
DeeBo
yeah Yeah, dude.
00:40:09
Dick VanMeat
Shit.
00:40:10
DeeBo
Sinners made a boat.
00:40:11
Dick VanMeat
I thought we were going to make enough. Fucking
00:40:14
DeeBo
Dude, maybe not. Corden variety. um Shit.
00:40:17
Dick VanMeat
variety.
00:40:18
werthersoriginal
beleaguered film made $350 million. I'll dare, I'll dare Ryan Coogler.
00:40:22
DeeBo
How dare they
00:40:25
DeeBo
ah
00:40:25
Dick VanMeat
ah Snow White made $11,000 weekend, guys. So,
00:40:30
DeeBo
Good.
00:40:30
Dick VanMeat
you know
00:40:31
DeeBo
Good.
00:40:32
werthersoriginal
My Zegler heads out there.
00:40:32
Steve-O
Nice. You've been doing
00:40:34
DeeBo
Yeah. My Zegheads.
00:40:36
werthersoriginal
My Zeg, Zegmans.
00:40:37
Steve-O
it.
00:40:38
DeeBo
Oh, ah I kept meaning to say, hey, I've been playing Doom the Dark Ages, but I actually beat it last night.
00:40:45
Steve-O
mic
00:40:45
werthersoriginal
You dude, you did the doom.
00:40:45
DeeBo
It is. I did the Doom, dude.
00:40:48
Steve-O
ah you've been doing and
00:40:48
DeeBo
it's It's a Doom game. it's I kind of was hoping i'd be a little bit more blown away. i have some frustration.
00:40:55
Dick VanMeat
Was it better than Eternal?
00:40:57
DeeBo
I really liked Eternal, so no.
00:40:59
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, what no, wasn't.
00:41:01
DeeBo
But I know like Chris and John hated it.
00:41:01
Dick VanMeat
So is 2016 still the GOAT?
00:41:04
DeeBo
Yeah.
00:41:04
Dick VanMeat
i didn't I didn't play Eternal. I didn't even play Eternal.
00:41:06
DeeBo
I'm not correct. Steve and Chris hated it.
00:41:09
werthersoriginal
Did I play Eternal?
00:41:09
DeeBo
Eternal.
00:41:10
Dick VanMeat
Well, everybody hates Red Dead 2 here, Yeah...
00:41:10
DeeBo
Yeah. You guys didn't like it.
00:41:11
werthersoriginal
Oh, yeah. Doom Eternal.
00:41:12
Dick VanMeat
so
00:41:12
werthersoriginal
I'm sorry.
00:41:13
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:13
werthersoriginal
I got... Yeah. No, it was way too long.
00:41:16
DeeBo
Yeah, this one.
00:41:17
werthersoriginal
That's that's my problem with boomer shooters. If they go too long, I i just clock right the fuck out, dog.
00:41:21
Dick VanMeat
yeah
00:41:21
DeeBo
Yeah, this one was ah this one was kind of on the cusp of being too long. um
00:41:27
werthersoriginal
Let
00:41:28
DeeBo
There, you know, they they go a little more heavy with the plot, but also the plot still doesn't make sense.
00:41:32
Dick VanMeat
Mm-hmm.
00:41:35
werthersoriginal
me tell you something, Devin. I think the most concise... Best time paced boomer shooter that I played in the past five years. It was bolt gun.
00:41:45
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:46
Steve-O
ah
00:41:46
DeeBo
Also, ah they announced a sequel this week for Bullcon.
00:41:49
Steve-O
Bullgun 2, lost in New York.
00:41:49
werthersoriginal
Oh, lost in New York, New pork city.
00:41:49
DeeBo
Bullcon 2, baby. Yeah. um No, but it's like like the shield the shield and the parry system and all that, like that's sick. i I think the shield was ah was a great thing.
00:42:04
Steve-O
That does sound super fun.
00:42:04
DeeBo
ah but After beating it, though, I'm like, glory Glory Kills should have stayed.
00:42:10
werthersoriginal
Yeah, i was really shocked when they got rid of those.
00:42:10
DeeBo
like It was kind of stupid that they're gone.
00:42:13
werthersoriginal
I didn't get that.
00:42:14
DeeBo
It's a choice, and I understand why, because there's kind of a melee system, but it just kind of near the end, it just took a really long time to get in that that fucking like zone out.
00:42:27
DeeBo
Just like you're staring at the screen doing 500 things, and you're just you know ripping and tearing.
00:42:31
Dick VanMeat
And they took they took the ah yeah they took the fucking glory kills out too.
00:42:35
DeeBo
Yeah, there's like some, well it what's weird is they kind of hide some of them.
00:42:35
Dick VanMeat
So fuck that.
00:42:39
Dick VanMeat
What's the best gun? it the one where he's shaving the fucking shards off his skulls?
00:42:43
DeeBo
That one's really good. um
00:42:45
Dick VanMeat
That's such a cool gun.
00:42:45
DeeBo
the Man, what is the... There's good guns, dude.
00:42:48
Dick VanMeat
Or is it the super shot gun?
00:42:50
DeeBo
Super shotgun's great. Actually, you know what? i i found I upgraded this, and this combo was obscene, so there's a heavy mace you get.
00:42:58
Dick VanMeat
The regular shotgun? Oh, shit.
00:43:00
DeeBo
No, it's this ah it's this railroad spike shooter.
00:43:01
Dick VanMeat
What the fuck?
00:43:04
DeeBo
And basically, if you get a headshot, you get like a powered up shot the next time. But if you keep nailing headshots, just doesn't same damage. So I'm fighting the bosses and I'm just like and just a annihilating them with my rail gun or my railroad spike gun and then hitting them with a mace, which is basically an insta kill on everything but like boss enemies.
00:43:30
werthersoriginal
Devin, can I ask you question?
00:43:31
DeeBo
Yes.
00:43:32
werthersoriginal
When do you get the super shotgun? Like when in in the game?
00:43:35
DeeBo
Pretty early in. Pretty early.
00:43:36
werthersoriginal
Okay, good, good, good, good.
00:43:37
DeeBo
Like level five. It's just weird.
00:43:39
Dick VanMeat
And he loads he loads like Terminator.
00:43:41
DeeBo
Yeah, he does. And it's sick, but...
00:43:42
werthersoriginal
I don't like when they stretch getting the super shotgun out in a Doom game.
00:43:46
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, because that's the Doom gun.
00:43:48
werthersoriginal
That is the Doom gun.
00:43:48
Dick VanMeat
Like, that's the gun.
00:43:48
DeeBo
Yeah. Because the first gun is the shotgun.
00:43:50
Dick VanMeat
need You need that.
00:43:53
DeeBo
like it's It's basically your pistol.
00:43:54
Dick VanMeat
The pump, the the regular... the
00:43:56
werthersoriginal
The dumpster shotgun.
00:43:57
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a good, like, listen, there were times where I was like, this is actually a better gun for this situation than the super shotgun. Because most of the guns have like ah an alternate mode, right? Shotgun, alternate super shotgun.
00:44:10
DeeBo
Railroad spike gun is also just like a needler type gun. ah You know, skull shaving gun goes from ah wider to a more narrowed down type gun.
00:44:20
Dick VanMeat
That's such a sick fucking creation that some so like ah some psychotic person made in on the dev team at HID.
00:44:23
DeeBo
Yeah, no.
00:44:23
werthersoriginal
Yeah, the animation is amazing.
00:44:23
Steve-O
Mm-hmm.
00:44:24
DeeBo
Yeah. Yeah. it was It was good. It was just good. But it was like... I don't know. i just... I got through it. you know And I was like ready to be done.
00:44:35
werthersoriginal
A little more sizzle than steak.
00:44:36
DeeBo
And it's just... There's not...
00:44:39
DeeBo
Yeah. like Eternal, dude. and like Especially the DLC. like I don't want to say i loved that. like Because the main thing in Doom Eternal is like your ammunition was so scarce.
00:44:55
DeeBo
Cause it was basically, you would like run out of ammo for four of your eight guns. And then you would fight those like, uh, weird hell barons or whatever that had the shield and the, and the ax.
00:45:06
DeeBo
And they were, they were like momentum killers, dude.
00:45:06
werthersoriginal
Yeah, and you had to parry.
00:45:09
DeeBo
Like they really were, there was too many of them, but like the actual idea of like when you're just locked into doom eternal, like I think that's fantastic. Um, Doom Dark Ages is just like ah when I'm locked in, i am just laying waste, which is pretty fun.
00:45:27
DeeBo
um It's just kind of not. I don't know. I didn't get like the I didn't get the Doom 2016 vibe, which I don't know. I don't even know if that's fair because, you know, it was kind of a surprise.
00:45:40
DeeBo
And that's what made part of.
00:45:41
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, that game was special.
00:45:42
DeeBo
Yeah, you know, it was special.
00:45:43
werthersoriginal
That game was, yeah, it was unique.
00:45:44
Steve-O
Yeah.
00:45:45
DeeBo
I'm not upset I bought it, though. You know, i was i was pretty into it.
00:45:49
werthersoriginal
Well, Devin, I bought something too. And I played, know i played a little something.
00:45:51
DeeBo
Yeah, wonder what you're going to buy.
00:45:53
werthersoriginal
I didn't play as much as my man, my man Suarez over here, but I, uh, I play a little night rain.
00:45:56
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:45:59
werthersoriginal
I finally got around to it.
00:46:00
Dick VanMeat
mean, you saw what I've been saying about it after the first, like, couple days, so...
00:46:01
werthersoriginal
I cracked it open.
00:46:05
werthersoriginal
Whoa, dude. Um, okay. So first reactions playing with some hobos, Um, not, not great. Um, it's very fast and it's almost like incoherently fast.
00:46:21
werthersoriginal
At least my experience was where I was just following the guy who was running the fastest and was putting markers on the map.
00:46:29
Dick VanMeat
He's putting pins down? Yeah.
00:46:30
werthersoriginal
I was looking at the map, but then I saw a fucking wave of blue coming toward me and i'm like, what the fuck?
00:46:35
Dick VanMeat
yeah's Yeah, it's hard to tell.
00:46:35
werthersoriginal
And I'm just like, ah, yeah.
00:46:38
Dick VanMeat
like One of the more more frustrating things when I first started is like it's hard. like In and a game like Fortnite or Modern Warfare, they make it really easy to know when the fucking wall is closing in on you.
00:46:53
werthersoriginal
The wall. Yeah.
00:46:55
Dick VanMeat
And in this game, it's not It doesn't feel, because, like, they have to aesthetically keep it Elden Ring at the same time, right?
00:47:03
werthersoriginal
Yes.
00:47:03
Dick VanMeat
So it's like, they can't really, they can't fully Fortnite the game out.
00:47:04
werthersoriginal
Yes. Yes.
00:47:08
werthersoriginal
They can't give you a, they can't give you too much, but I, it's, uh,
00:47:08
Dick VanMeat
um ah
00:47:10
Dick VanMeat
But, all dude, when you get stuck when you get stuck in a fucking cla in clamber hell, like, trying to climb ah a cliff to avoid it is when it, like, feels really bad to play the game.
00:47:17
werthersoriginal
yeah.
00:47:20
werthersoriginal
Yeah. Where you're like, I just want to climb the hill.
00:47:22
Dick VanMeat
You're just like, nah, yeah, please, not like this.
00:47:23
Steve-O
laughs
00:47:23
werthersoriginal
It's
00:47:24
Dick VanMeat
Because the the clambering mechanic is just just feels, I don't know, it's it's super janky.
00:47:28
werthersoriginal
janky. It's janky.
00:47:30
Dick VanMeat
Like, it's almost like, um and i don't know, maybe it was too harsh what I said, but like it feels like it was an afterthought that they that that that they quick fixed it when they realized it was it would be really hard for people to fucking like fucking go go get through the maps of fucking Limgrave.
00:47:49
Dick VanMeat
when ah When a Fortnite bubble is closing in on you.
00:47:49
werthersoriginal
Quickly.
00:47:53
werthersoriginal
I think they should have given it a little bit more leeway on many things in the world.
00:47:53
Dick VanMeat
And it's timed.
00:48:00
werthersoriginal
Like not have used the Elden Ring formula of throwing you into the mix. Like it just doesn't translate well to a roguelike game.
00:48:07
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:48:11
werthersoriginal
I don't think it does.
00:48:12
Dick VanMeat
I mean, yeah, it' so so it's hard. It's hard because when you are, and you haven't experienced this yet, Chris, but when you are playing with friends or when you're playing with competent players, then the experience is like night and day.
00:48:27
werthersoriginal
Right.
00:48:28
Dick VanMeat
Because like, that's why I really i really wanted to get a game in with you today so you can experience it with me and Amir.
00:48:34
werthersoriginal
What it's like with when we're buckling down.
00:48:35
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, because we, we yeah. Because like again, like the first day, I didn't i didn't clear a run first day. I got close a couple times, like, really close.
00:48:43
werthersoriginal
I got to day two.
00:48:45
Dick VanMeat
No, that's not close.
00:48:46
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
00:48:47
Dick VanMeat
Just getting the D2 is close.
00:48:47
werthersoriginal
Mm-hmm.
00:48:48
Dick VanMeat
Like, getting close, like, getting the final boss and then, like, losing because you're not leveled enough, right? Because then you know what you need. and you So you didn't see you didn't see the boss yet, right?
00:49:00
Dick VanMeat
You didn't see the boss of the...
00:49:00
werthersoriginal
No, no, no, no, no.
00:49:01
Dick VanMeat
Okay. So, like, what you want to do, like, you'll you'll know this later, too. And it shows you in the game. it's just, you know, it's the quality of life from software stuff that they just don't have in their games. Like,
00:49:12
Dick VanMeat
somebody else has to tell you. like It shows you like next to the boss's name in the menu when you're when you're at the roundtable hold that its weakness is is holy.
00:49:20
werthersoriginal
Oh, let's see.
00:49:22
Dick VanMeat
is whole is holy affinity like It shows a little symbol there. and shows what what is effective against that boss.
00:49:28
werthersoriginal
Okay.
00:49:28
Dick VanMeat
so like You'll know when you're playing you need a good Tim Lucas the team, also good John Suarez to curb need a good tim lucas on the team but also a good john surez to curb tim lucas's conservativeness when when he's playing and i say that because this is what happens when we play like like like tim and and he he mentions it too like he'll he'll want to go for mac max flasks but i'll say oh but we should probably try to kill this boss on the way because yeah because like you need a balance like you need a you need like maximum flasks is like seven but like if you're burning most of your time trying to get to every church that you can
00:50:00
werthersoriginal
to level up
00:50:12
Dick VanMeat
to get, to get a flask, then you're losing time on the other end, which is like clearing, clearing a, a powerful enemy so that he drops like a good weapon for you to use, or or even a good ability, you know?
00:50:23
werthersoriginal
a good weapon or a status effect or something.
00:50:27
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. And they're like, you know, and again, like you, like you feel like the game is going faster than it is sometimes when you actually, what, what, what ends up happening on, on failed runs is like you get to the area you need to be in,
00:50:42
Dick VanMeat
like you don't get there just on time but you get there with like a lot of like you know five or five or six minutes time to spare and it's like oh those five or six minutes i could have been you know clearing out this ruins and and beating this easy boss to get another drop and get some more ruins so that you can level up this and that yeah and it's like what sucks is like yeah yeah you yeah and and yeah i i feel all your frustrations like
00:50:58
werthersoriginal
Yeah, I get you.
00:51:01
werthersoriginal
it's I'm going to have to learn, relearn shit. but yeah There is pros. There is pros to this, though. It's not like it's completely missed experience. like I really like, I was playing as the Raider.
00:51:17
werthersoriginal
I really liked playing as the Raider.
00:51:20
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:51:20
werthersoriginal
liked
00:51:21
Dick VanMeat
The characters were really cool.
00:51:22
werthersoriginal
The characters are awesome. Like, I like summoning that giant tombstone in the middle of a boss fight and knocking him off a...
00:51:27
Dick VanMeat
No, you don't know. That thing is what probably one of the more useful ultimates in the game because it really...
00:51:32
werthersoriginal
That was fucking awesome.
00:51:34
Dick VanMeat
Especially when you're against the boss like or or a big boss, like it really does summoning a giant building in front of you that can hurt you and power you...
00:51:42
werthersoriginal
Mm-hmm.
00:51:44
Dick VanMeat
hurt your your your enemies and power you up a little bit. And you can stand on top of it, too. i don't know if you noticed that, but
00:51:48
werthersoriginal
ah Dude, you know what I was doing? I was waiting for someone to charge me.
00:51:50
Dick VanMeat
Like, you could do that.
00:51:52
werthersoriginal
I would hit it. I would raise up before they hit me and then jump down on them with like a slamming attack. So I was like, this is badass as shit.
00:52:00
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. Yeah, no, it's...
00:52:02
werthersoriginal
Yeah,
00:52:03
Dick VanMeat
No, but, like, that's the thing. It's, like, they they make those things cool because, like, this is that type of game. It's, like, an arcade-y type experience, right?
00:52:11
werthersoriginal
yeah it feels like Gauntlet. You know, like a really hard version of Gauntlet.
00:52:13
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. Yeah, and it's, like... no you... I can't wait to play with you, Chris, because it's, like, once you're playing with people that, like, that have, like, because, like, now we kind of have, like, a set route.
00:52:26
Dick VanMeat
Not, like, an actual route, because it kind of changes, and it drops you in a random spot every time, but, like, we know, like, what we want to accomplish on each day. So it's, like, you got first day, and then the second, first day ends on a boss at night, and then it it clears the fog, and then you have, like, a whole other day to get to the boss.
00:52:42
werthersoriginal
Yeah, I did that. Did that.
00:52:45
Dick VanMeat
But then, third day is just the final boss. So you basically only have two days in the game to get to get good yeah it's fast but it's like um dude it's like i don't know it's a different it's a different experience it feels like this
00:52:51
werthersoriginal
Wow, that's fast. That's fast.
00:53:00
werthersoriginal
Here's... Well, who... what character are you primarily playing as? Just so I
00:53:05
Dick VanMeat
i'm using the executor which isn't really and what sucks is like it's not necessarily like like an optimal like it's good dps right but you have to be up close so sometimes i feel like I'm running most of the time on on some of these some of the fast enemies.
00:53:23
werthersoriginal
I've been doing, I was in that, I was in that boat too with the Raider.
00:53:26
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, so it kind of feels bad, but like I think the optimal team is probably... like like The Destiny 2 team would probably be like Wilder, Raider, and Guardian, I would think.
00:53:38
Dick VanMeat
Oh, no, no, no! I'm sorry. Guardian or Wilder plus Iron Eye plus... um
00:53:47
werthersoriginal
Someone up close to get in.
00:53:50
Dick VanMeat
yeah Yeah, maybe it's Iron, Wilder, Iron Eye, Raider, and and Guardian, or or or Wilder or something. I don't know.
00:54:03
Dick VanMeat
But like i just like the Executor class because it feels like Sekiro.
00:54:10
werthersoriginal
Well, you turn into a giant fucking werewolf too, right?
00:54:12
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, so that's that's the other thing. is like That giant werewolf, Steve, you'll appreciate this. When I turned into a giant werewolf, my mind breaks off of elder ring and goes right into super mario odyssey and i'm like oh i'm a t-rex i can fucking do whatever i want but the thing is is like your hitbox is still the same like if they if they hit you where your body is you'll you'll take a huge chunk of damage so i only do that and i this is probably the way it's designed too just because that would be so broken feel like you could just be a fucking giant beast and not get hurt so like i use it to clear add like when they when they when they
00:54:26
Steve-O
Oh, yeah.
00:54:34
Steve-O
Mm.
00:54:36
Steve-O
Mm.
00:54:43
werthersoriginal
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:49
Dick VanMeat
shove a bunch of enemies in your face when you're fighting a boss or it's actually really useful to resurrect your downed teammates because yes yeah and then you you actually get all the aggro off of them yeah so like yeah these the things that you're discovering too along the way so like you know I'm trying at the Duchess now which is very um very challenging because she uses a dagger
00:54:56
werthersoriginal
Ah, so you can hit a bunch of people at once if you have to.
00:55:02
werthersoriginal
That's cool.
00:55:16
werthersoriginal
I don't think I got her yet.
00:55:17
Dick VanMeat
No, you didn't get it. You either have to clear the first boss or like try a bunch of times, and then it'll it'll give you an item that you can use to to unlock her. And then the Revenant, which is what Tim has been using a lot, which is like which has like three three spirit ashes.
00:55:34
werthersoriginal
Yeah, i saw that.
00:55:35
Dick VanMeat
It's pretty good, too. Yeah.
00:55:36
werthersoriginal
That's interesting.
00:55:37
werthersoriginal
interesting
00:55:37
Dick VanMeat
But again, yeah.
00:55:37
Dick VanMeat
yeah like the The thing, though, is like... so this might sound kind of reductive, but it feels like it feels like an Elden Ring mod that they made official.
00:55:48
werthersoriginal
Yeah, a little bit.
00:55:48
Dick VanMeat
Like, you know, like, that's what it feels like.
00:55:49
Steve-O
Hmm.
00:55:51
Dick VanMeat
Like, they took somebody's mod for the game and just, like, slapped Bandai Namco and Frontsoft on it.
00:55:55
werthersoriginal
I'm very, ah very happy it's $40.
00:55:57
Dick VanMeat
and
00:55:57
werthersoriginal
That's
00:55:59
Dick VanMeat
yeah, im I'm glad it's not a full-price game.
00:56:01
werthersoriginal
yeah
00:56:01
Dick VanMeat
um But also, it's, like's like, it's super addicting. And...
00:56:05
werthersoriginal
i get I want to play it again. i definitely want to jump in the game.
00:56:07
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, so it's, like, I get mad and frustrated, but, like, i want to i want I want to jump back in. This is probably how you feel with Fortnite, Steve. like
00:56:16
Steve-O
Yeah, like it's like if you have a bad run, you're like, oh, give me another shot. Give me another shot.
00:56:20
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, like let's run it back.
00:56:20
werthersoriginal
It's the gambler.
00:56:21
Dick VanMeat
Let's run it back.
Roguelite Game Challenges
00:56:22
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
00:56:22
werthersoriginal
It's the gambler, and yeah you're like, oh, I got it this time.
00:56:25
Dick VanMeat
Well, like that's the other thing.
00:56:25
werthersoriginal
This is going to be...
00:56:26
Dick VanMeat
It's roguelite. Your runs are very random. so like You get a bad roll on a lot of shit. like Me and Amir, we had one of the worst fucking luck runs ever. like they the The boss and the um at the end of the first day was placed specifically in a spot where outside of the bubble, right outside of the bubble, was a giant castle where trolls were throwing those giant fucking blue flame buckets at So we're trying to fight the boss and getting hit by these fucking giant fucking blue flame buckets. And it's like, and we're just like, oh.
00:57:02
Dick VanMeat
But also, what also kind of sucks too about it is like, you can't just quit if it's a bad run. You can't just wipe and then, like, like It makes you stuck there to play until you...
00:57:14
Steve-O
ah
00:57:14
werthersoriginal
Well, that I don't... I don't mind that as much because then I learn a little bit about how to play
00:57:19
Dick VanMeat
Nah, dude. Sometimes... no No, but the thing is, Chris, when you're like 10 runs in haven't cleared it yet, and you have and you have the most toxic fucking teammates that'll just...
00:57:25
werthersoriginal
Oh yeah, well that probably sucks.
00:57:31
Dick VanMeat
like they Because what happens is if you rage quit, it penalizes you, and then you might you might get penalized on matchmaking the next time, and and they won't let you...
00:57:38
werthersoriginal
Whoa.
00:57:39
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, so it kind of sucks. So people don't want to play anymore with you because the but the run the run was bad and and your rolls were bad. And then you're in day two or whatever and they just don't want to play anymore. So they just don't they just you know put their controller down and then you know and you can't quit because you'll get penalized.
00:57:58
Dick VanMeat
So that's what what kind of sucks. What they should add, and maybe maybe somebody's going to give them some feedback on this, is like an option for the three players to either restart Like, have all three players vote to, like, restart the run or, like, or just to end the game.
00:58:15
DeeBo
Just like running it back.
00:58:17
Steve-O
Yeah.
00:58:17
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, or just, or end the game. Yeah, or just, like, we don't want to play this run anymore.
00:58:21
Steve-O
yeah
00:58:21
Dick VanMeat
Like, let us let us quit this without being penalized and then run it again later.
00:58:23
DeeBo
Yeah, because if somebody quits middle middle of the game, can somebody join in the middle of that game or you just kind of...
00:58:30
Dick VanMeat
No. No, I think, I'm pretty sure you just, you're stuck with two or... Like, you can't you can't join. I mean, I've played a bunch of it in the last few days, and you can't you can't join in the middle.
00:58:39
DeeBo
Yeah. Can't join like a match in progress.
00:58:41
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, because that that doesn't make any sense either, because, like, how is how is it going to be balanced if you go in as a level one and everybody else is, like, level eight?
00:58:45
DeeBo
You know...
00:58:48
Dick VanMeat
So, like, that doesn't make any sense to do that. So just let everybody fucking quit if they want to.
00:58:52
DeeBo
Yeah,
00:58:52
Dick VanMeat
Like, let everyone just quit the run.
00:58:53
DeeBo
I don't know. I get, like... It's frustrating to see that... And I get it, right? It's a new game. They're trying something new. But it's like... There's a lot of examples there.
00:59:05
DeeBo
And it seemed like they didn't listen or do any...
00:59:08
Dick VanMeat
yeah They were like, oh, oops, we didn't think about the two mans.
00:59:09
DeeBo
Like, it's kind of... yeah it's kind of like... inexcusable at this point that they just missed so many... like And I get it. It's kind of like part of the ah fucking...
00:59:23
DeeBo
brand is like it's difficult and kind of a pain in the ass but it's like what's quality of life right not not not us not us we're from soft but it's also like this is beyond stupid like why would you even bother uh i don't know that's coming from me so like my you know i'm not a souls guy so my opinion is kind of dirt on this concept but it's just when i hear that when i read it i'm just like i don't
00:59:32
Steve-O
Mm-hmm.
00:59:52
DeeBo
Like, this isn't just like, oh, there's no difficulty mode. Like, this is just like common sense stuff that they just didn't include.
00:59:58
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. Like, no, I was, I mean, it all begins with the no cross play thing.
01:00:00
DeeBo
And, yeah.
01:00:02
Dick VanMeat
I think that was a huge miss just because, because that's literally the floor now.
01:00:04
Steve-O
Yeah, that's crazy.
01:00:07
Dick VanMeat
Like the, every game has that now. So like, you really like, yeah,
01:00:10
werthersoriginal
It just drove me to get it on Steam Deck. That was an easy decision at this point. It's great.
01:00:16
Dick VanMeat
but it's like, and yeah, it's not great.
01:00:18
werthersoriginal
not great
01:00:19
Dick VanMeat
And especially like, i mean, I don't know if that there's like more cost in terms of like setting up the infrastructure for matchmaking on, um um on different consoles the same time, but, like... Or if it' or they're just lazy, they don't want to do the anti-cheat thing on everything. Like, I don't know how it goes. But it's just, like... It doesn't matter, though.
01:00:41
Dick VanMeat
Like, with a game as big as as big as this and a brand as big as this, like, there's really no excuse for that, in my opinion.
01:00:47
Steve-O
So d do you think this is the formula for Duskbloods too?
01:00:52
DeeBo
Oh, God.
01:00:53
Dick VanMeat
So, like, I don't...
01:00:53
werthersoriginal
No, no I think this is testing shit.
01:00:56
Dick VanMeat
I think they're gonna... They're going to use the the growing pains from this to to iron some of that stuff out. Because I know the Dustbloods is going to be... It sent like, what, eight people people in one instance? But it's PvPVE.
01:01:11
Dick VanMeat
So it's like... It's not like this. Actually... I don't know. like If they're going to make a multiplayer game, I kind of would prefer most of it to be team-based, at least.
01:01:27
werthersoriginal
Yeah, i agree.
01:01:28
Dick VanMeat
Because I think Duskbloods might get a little too... Because i never i was never a fan of the...
01:01:32
DeeBo
Well, Dustbloods is, is that switch only, right?
01:01:35
Steve-O
That's which two, yeah.
01:01:35
Dick VanMeat
Switch only, yeah. and it's more And it's multiplayer only, too. so
01:01:40
DeeBo
Man, that there is rolling of the dice happening there.
01:01:41
Dick VanMeat
But it's not but it's not it's not this... But it's not the same it's not the same formula as this. It's not like roguelite or... um I don't know how they're going to do it.
01:01:50
DeeBo
Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:52
Steve-O
It's interesting that they're trying to tap the multiplayer market suddenly so hard.
01:01:53
Dick VanMeat
It's going to be weird.
01:01:56
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
01:01:56
Dick VanMeat
But when you say PvPVE, my mind goes straight to extraction.
01:01:59
werthersoriginal
I think they saw the success.
01:02:00
Dick VanMeat
It goes to extraction shooter.
01:02:01
werthersoriginal
I think they saw the success of Elven Rings multiplayer and they wanted to kind of maximize profit on that one.
01:02:02
Dick VanMeat
So like...
01:02:06
Steve-O
o
01:02:09
werthersoriginal
Like, that's what it seems like to me. Because I'm not, I was never a big fan of multiplayer in these games. It's never been really like a core tenant of the why I love them so much.
01:02:09
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:02:17
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
01:02:21
Steve-O
It's a bonus.
01:02:22
Dick VanMeat
Some people...
01:02:22
Steve-O
It's like an an addition.
01:02:23
Dick VanMeat
No, some people are hardcore about it, though.
01:02:23
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
01:02:25
Dick VanMeat
Like, they'll make builds just to invade people in Dark Souls and fuck them up.
01:02:25
Steve-O
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:26
werthersoriginal
They are.
01:02:29
werthersoriginal
Which is cool. it's It's a multifaceted experience in that regard, and I respect that. But, like, it's never been a draw for me. That's never been the reason why I play these games. And um I think there is something for me to like here with Night Rain.
01:02:47
werthersoriginal
But I don't know if it's something I'm going to love, necessarily.
01:02:50
Steve-O
oh
01:02:50
werthersoriginal
Like Elden Ring, that's not going to happen.
01:02:52
Steve-O
Yeah, I feel like you immediately knew, Chris, that like Elden Ring was like your jam instantly, like when you played it.
01:03:00
werthersoriginal
Yeah. There are so many aspects to it that they kind of carved out of Night Reign, you know, and those are like my favorite aspects of Elden Ring.
01:03:11
werthersoriginal
So, you know, I knew this game was going to be an uphill battle for me in that regard, but I'm willing to try it again because I did have a good time just fucking it around too.
01:03:22
Steve-O
Right.
01:03:23
werthersoriginal
Like that's exactly.
01:03:23
Steve-O
That's the thing. Like once you play with your buddies on like, you know, comms, like, you know, could be a different story.
01:03:25
werthersoriginal
Exactly. And it could be an experience that I do think is going to grow. Like things will be fixed and addressed.
01:03:35
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, they'll patch some of this stuff out, I think.
01:03:36
werthersoriginal
It's matter of time.
01:03:39
Steve-O
Is this.
01:03:39
Dick VanMeat
adding ah Adding a fucking voting option so you can quit is like a huge thing. I think they should just do that because you end up you end up wast you end up wasting fucking 40 minutes of of your day like just doing nothing and in the game sometimes.
01:03:46
Steve-O
I could see that being patched in.
01:03:46
werthersoriginal
And you know, exactly. Exactly.
01:03:55
Dick VanMeat
And it sucks.
01:03:55
DeeBo
What's the ah penalty for just quitting?
01:03:58
Dick VanMeat
I don't know. got too scared. I did a rage quit once and nothing happened. But when you rage quit, it tells you Like, are you sure you want to do this? Because you'll be penalized.
01:04:10
Dick VanMeat
There will be a penalty, or this will incur a penalty.
01:04:11
DeeBo
Hmm.
01:04:13
Dick VanMeat
So I don't know. I mean, I've rage quit a few times a couple times in Street Fighter. Not perfect, guys. Sometimes you get hit with, like, 50 of the same jumping move, and you're just like, I need to alt F4 right now.
01:04:25
DeeBo
Thank you.
01:04:29
Dick VanMeat
And, like, there, like, you know, if you quit a bunch of times, it has happened to me, but if you quit a lot, like, they'll put, like, a yellow card and a red card next to your name so that people will know, people will know that you're, like, a fucking, you're a psychopath and to not take you seriously.
01:04:38
Steve-O
Oh.
01:04:45
Dick VanMeat
So I don't know if there's shit like that with this, but, um, I don't know, man. I just feel like, okay.
01:04:50
Steve-O
It looks like there's like a time, like a timer, like you have to wait like 15, 20 minutes.
01:04:55
Dick VanMeat
yes Yeah, see? So, like, so you gotta wait even more if you don't want to play. gotta, you gotta fucking, you know, nut nut up and and and work it out but like you get to a point where it's like oh like i can waste another 15 minutes on the going on this run where i i have no chance of of completing at all or i can just quit and just start a new one and i rather i rather um i don't know because like if it lets you if it prompts like the other guys in your team and everybody decides that they want to stop playing that game
01:05:31
werthersoriginal
Yeah, it should be non-penalized.
01:05:31
Dick VanMeat
And like, what's wrong? Yeah. What's wrong with that? You know, like, I don't know. I don't know what, I don't know what's wrong with that unless they just want, you know, because that's the thing is like, this is like, this is Elden Ring hard, but there's another layer of hard on it.
01:05:45
Dick VanMeat
And that's the blueberry hard hardness, you know?
01:05:47
DeeBo
yeah
01:05:49
Dick VanMeat
And like, ah was telling Amir, I'm like, yeah, everybody, us included would complain that, you know, that you you needed fucking five friends to LFG and do a raid with in Destiny 2.
01:06:01
Dick VanMeat
and it sucked that they they never had matchmaking in it, and like and now it's like, oh, I guess I kind of understand now, because like you end up wasting a lot of time, you know?
01:06:11
Steve-O
Mm-hmm.
01:06:11
Dick VanMeat
So it's like, like with Destiny Raids, you should probably get with five like-minded individuals or your friends so that you can figure things out together, you know?
01:06:20
werthersoriginal
Well, to be honest, to be honest with you, John, I'm glad I got one out of the way that was completely just like me going in and fucking around.
01:06:27
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, no, no, want dude, we're gonna... It's like once you once you play with me, Tim or Amir or Paul, like it's like it's going to be way better. Like and trust me, like because I ah tried soloing.
01:06:36
DeeBo
Thank
01:06:40
Dick VanMeat
to ah to ah to a victory in the first on the first couple of days. um And it's just it was just too hard. Sometimes you would like even when you have good teammates to like and again, I was still learning.
01:06:48
werthersoriginal
Yeah, I don't know.
01:06:52
Dick VanMeat
But then me and Amir were just playing with a random yesterday. just preparing like we were just finishing a run before um before tim got on to join us and we were with a blueberry random and we ended up just winning just because we we got good roles like we got i got fuck i had a fucking sacred nagakiba you know and he found a holy bow and like and like the like those are the thing and like the thing is too like we don't we don't know this because the game doesn't
01:07:17
werthersoriginal
Okay.
01:07:25
Dick VanMeat
From Software Games are notorious for not telling you that the information is right and fucking in front of you all the time in the game, because it's there. They just don't tell you it's there. But, like, there's little... Like, if you zoom in on the map, there's little indicators that tell you what the affinity of the drops will be there.
01:07:41
Dick VanMeat
So, like, it'll have a little fire symbol. And, like, if you clear out that ruins and beat the boss, the little mini-boss there, then it'll drop fire affinity weapons, right? So, like... So now, like, Tim knew...
01:07:53
Dick VanMeat
or me and Amir knew like if we go to this place and then this spot then this spot, you know, this is, this has Holy, Holy affinity drop. So we're going to go there. We're going to try and get there as soon as possible. And then, you know, I know a lot of other things, people, people avoid going into mines because it's kind of, ah it's a fucking hassle to go into a mine and Elden ring. So you don't, and you don't want to get stuck there when there's a fortnight bubble closing in on you.
01:08:17
Dick VanMeat
But we found out, if you go into a mine, it guarantees you a fucking smithing stone level two. which will make your your weapon even even more powerful, like, for the for the end boss, you know?
01:08:30
Dick VanMeat
So it's like it's just stuff like that. Like, it's just, it's it's growing pains, but it's also, like, you can't but you can't run headfirst into it usually like like you can with it the Dark Souls games until you beat the boss. Like, you actually have to go in there and try to try to figure out how to do the...
01:08:46
Dick VanMeat
the the the cumbersome stuff about, about the runs before just trying to figure out before trying to figure out the patterns of the boss and how to beat the boss, you know, and there's three of you and you can't do it. You can't just carry two people by yourself. I mean, I guess some people are skilled enough to do that, but like, for the most part, you, you're going to depend on your teammates.
01:09:06
Dick VanMeat
Cause there's a whole strategy too, like around resurrecting your guys too. Like, and like, you know,
01:09:12
DeeBo
Yeah, I heard you you have to like sacrifice like an ultimate pickup for a res or something, right? Yeah.
01:09:19
Dick VanMeat
Sometimes you have to do that, yeah. and
01:09:21
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:09:21
Dick VanMeat
And to be honest, like it doesn't feel that bad to do that because it is very much FromSoftware game where like obviously an ultimate's not going to one-shot kill boss, right?
01:09:33
werthersoriginal
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:33
Dick VanMeat
It'll make it a little bit easier.
01:09:34
werthersoriginal
Hmm.
01:09:35
Dick VanMeat
Because the Duchess ultimate, is she turned her and the whole party turn invisible for a set number of times. and then And then you could turn invisible...
01:09:47
Dick VanMeat
and and res your your allies while you're invisible like that kind of thing you know um which is interesting um but also like the giant tombstone is really good because the like you could fucking throw that on top strategically on top of where you've got to res your guys and it'll very specifically block the boss from getting to you while you're trying to res them
01:10:10
werthersoriginal
Yeah. They clip into it sometimes too.
01:10:13
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, they'll clip it, they'll get stuck in it, which is pretty cool,
Elden Ring and Game Development Insights
01:10:16
Dick VanMeat
too, because then you could just, you could just, you could just unload on them.
01:10:16
werthersoriginal
yeah
01:10:19
Dick VanMeat
Like, it's, you know, it's, like, stuff like that. Once you learn the ins and outs of, like, of what your teammates are doing and what you're doing, like, it's, because also, like, I didn't know this either, but like, when ah when Tim was playing Revenant, like, his fucking, like, i don't know what happened. I don't know if if the chat GPT AI spirit ashes are that smart, but, like,
01:10:42
Dick VanMeat
We didn't know this, but like they were able to res us too, just by like hitting in our general direction.
01:10:46
werthersoriginal
Oh, whoa! Spirit Ashes can do that?
01:10:49
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, like it's just any type of friendly fire type of attacks will do it.
01:10:54
werthersoriginal
That's awesome.
01:10:56
Dick VanMeat
so the The most broken Swiss cheese class is probably the Iron Eye, because it's like the bow mechanics are like super useful and in every...
01:11:05
werthersoriginal
It's super fast, too.
01:11:08
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, and you could res from far away if you're if you're shooting arrows too.
01:11:12
werthersoriginal
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:13
Dick VanMeat
So it's like, like that's definitely the cheesiest class. Um, but it's just not my style of play. so I'm not, I don't, I don't like doing it, you know?
01:11:20
werthersoriginal
Yeah, me either. Definitely not.
01:11:23
Dick VanMeat
So, but yeah, like, i mean, again, it just feels like a ah mod for Elden Ring with the, with the From Software Bandai Namco stamp on the box.
01:11:34
Dick VanMeat
Like, so, but that doesn't mean that it's not fun, you know?
01:11:37
werthersoriginal
Yeah, exactly.
01:11:38
Dick VanMeat
So, um, which is like interesting because like,
01:11:39
werthersoriginal
had a good time talking around.
01:11:42
Dick VanMeat
the seamless co-op mod guys that made it for Elden Ring are like in the process of making a, a mod to allow two players play with each other.
01:11:54
Dick VanMeat
And Bandai, somebody from Bandai Namco retweeted it. So i'm like, just fucking hire the guy.
01:12:00
werthersoriginal
the
01:12:00
Dick VanMeat
Just pay him. Like he's doing work for you right now for free. Like fucking hire this guy, please.
01:12:05
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:12:08
Dick VanMeat
You know, that, bungie stop stealing from people hire them instead like it's really not that hard of a concept and you don't have to worry about this shit later you know i don't know but yeah it's all right it's it's fun and it's addicting
01:12:21
DeeBo
so So it's ah it's an 80 on Metacritic.
01:12:21
werthersoriginal
I'll see.
01:12:25
DeeBo
Is that?
01:12:26
Dick VanMeat
i would say that's yeah that's probably that's probably fair a 70 77 to
01:12:27
werthersoriginal
That's fair.
01:12:31
Dick VanMeat
three i would say
01:12:31
DeeBo
Yeah. So who bought it, John? You and chris Steve? You didn't buy it?
01:12:35
Steve-O
I did not.
01:12:36
DeeBo
said, I know better. I don't want this Garbo, dude.
01:12:40
Dick VanMeat
well then Well, Mario Kart World comes out a few days, so he knows...
01:12:43
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah.
01:12:44
werthersoriginal
gotta save up money for that.
01:12:44
DeeBo
What the fuck are you guys doing?
01:12:47
Steve-O
It's such a...
01:12:47
DeeBo
Oh, Chris, man, you're going like, hey, who wants to play? No one? No one?
01:12:51
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
01:12:51
DeeBo
Okay, you're all playing.
01:12:51
werthersoriginal
Yeah. They're going to be gone.
01:12:52
DeeBo
All right, sick.
01:12:52
werthersoriginal
and
01:12:55
werthersoriginal
that's why I only spent 40 bucks on the regular version.
01:12:57
DeeBo
Yeah, that's fair.
01:12:59
werthersoriginal
that was like, i know, i know multiplayer games. I'm not even a big fan of multiplayer games. I don't, you know, like they're, they're just not my jam in, in,
01:13:08
DeeBo
The hater part of me kind of loves this.
01:13:10
Dick VanMeat
yeah and it's just like sometimes i just want to figure out like my class too is like the perfect like solo class for for these because the the parrying and shit like what sucks is like it would be so much more useful if you know and again i've i've said we've said this before like sometimes bosses feel easier when you don't use spirit ashes because you know you know this the dance already and you
01:13:11
DeeBo
Yes.
01:13:36
Dick VanMeat
it's better and you can better get in rhythm if you're, if you have aggro the whole time.
01:13:38
werthersoriginal
Yeah, you you learn how to fight the boss better.
01:13:40
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. So it's like, it would be way easier for me sometimes if, you know, cause sometimes I'm deflecting and it just, they just swing at somebody else and it kind of sucks, you know?
01:13:50
DeeBo
Yeah. yeah
01:13:52
werthersoriginal
mm-hmm.
01:13:52
Dick VanMeat
But, but also it's not really like, it's not a, cro like you get to the point at the end where, at least for my class, where your other weapon is going to be way more useful.
01:14:05
Dick VanMeat
Um, than just using that so it's almost like it's not really it's almost like it's a it's an emergency thing that you can do the deflection but it's also like you you don't actually need it to be successful with it because you know it's like elven ring you have high it's high arcane high high dexterity like that's those the high scaling um categories for that class so it's like once you get a good enough i mean it's probably like that for a but like you're not going to if you're the wilder, you're not going to be fucking grappling, hooking fucking the, uh, the Lich King demon Lord or whatever at the end, you know, like whatever you call, whatever the fuck, you know, you know, like you're not grappling, hooking fucking millennia, you know, like you're gonna, you're gonna fight millennia with your, with your fucking, with your weapon in your right hand, basically, you know, cause that, that, that's the only way you can do it.
01:14:46
werthersoriginal
Night Lord.
01:14:55
werthersoriginal
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
01:14:59
Dick VanMeat
But yeah, I mean, it's, It's just like, it's way way more cohesive of an experience if you're playing with your like you know if you're playing with your friends and you're you're failing together.
01:15:10
Dick VanMeat
like That's also fun. you know And it's also really rewarding when you know when you when you finish. like It was really rewarding to finish one with Amir yesterday and with the guy we carried.
01:15:23
werthersoriginal
yeah
01:15:24
Dick VanMeat
Even though he probably carried us. I forgot what that what happened. in it if he I think he was... We were just following him the whole time. um But yeah, I mean, yeah, it's...
01:15:37
Dick VanMeat
Don't give up on it, Chris. I think you're gonna...
01:15:38
werthersoriginal
I'm not going to give up, but I know I'm not going to have...
01:15:39
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, this is like...
01:15:41
werthersoriginal
not going to have a long shelf life.
01:15:43
Dick VanMeat
yeah it's not... Yeah, you're not gonna be playing this for 700, 800 hours, right?
01:15:48
werthersoriginal
Nah, no way.
01:15:49
Dick VanMeat
You know? But 40 bucks, you get a good couple months out of it. Like, why not?
01:15:54
werthersoriginal
Yeah, that's boring enough.
01:15:55
Dick VanMeat
And it's kind of cool. Yeah, and it's cool because think like when DLCs drop for this, like new classes and stuff, like the game is such an arcade-like experience that, like, you know, you don't have to, like, prepare.
01:16:07
Dick VanMeat
You can just jump in and and just play it, you know? It's not like, it's not like when Shadow of the Earth Tree came out and we were all fucking studying, like, it was final exam week at college, yeah you know?
01:16:16
werthersoriginal
Yeah, I love that. That's like my favorite part of me, think.
01:16:18
Dick VanMeat
now I mean, it's cool, but, like, you know, it is cool, but, like, you know, that's, like, a ah level of commitment that, you know, they, you you don't always, you don't always want to have to have that level of commitment, you know?
01:16:26
werthersoriginal
It's not what this is. I get you. I get you.
01:16:31
Dick VanMeat
like It would be fun you know six months down of the line. they're like They drop a new class. like It'll be fun to just jump back in and and not feel like not feel like you missed out on stuff. Because you haven't been playing the whole time.
01:16:40
werthersoriginal
Yeah, that's true.
01:16:43
Dick VanMeat
So it's alright. It's good game.
01:16:46
werthersoriginal
It's all right. It's all right.
01:16:48
DeeBo
yeah
01:16:48
Dick VanMeat
it's It's better than...
01:16:48
werthersoriginal
a good game.
01:16:49
DeeBo
sir
01:16:49
Dick VanMeat
it's I would say it's a little better. Maybe plus or minus. A couple points with Final Reckoning. In terms of an experience.
01:17:02
Dick VanMeat
if i if I were to compare the two.
01:17:04
DeeBo
God damn, dude. All right. all right.
01:17:08
Dick VanMeat
But I was about like, before, dude, if I hadn't like, because I played a lot, played like 16, 20, almost 20 hours since it came out on Thursday night. Right?
01:17:20
Dick VanMeat
And if I, like, and you just started playing today, Chris, so, but like, if I put this much time into it and didn't even get it clear yet, I was going to be fucking mad.
01:17:23
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
01:17:29
Dick VanMeat
Because I was like, it was getting really frustrating where I was, i was getting toxic after toxic, after toxic experience, just fucking flubs that just run headfirst into fucking into walls and like, don't know exactly what they're doing.
01:17:45
Dick VanMeat
And then even got to a point where like, cause I don't like being the project manager, but it got to a point where like, I was putting pins down and they were not, and like, they were not following it, you know?
01:17:49
werthersoriginal
Yeah. mean
01:17:52
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:17:55
Dick VanMeat
And it's like, that's really fucking frustrating, you know? Because they're all the the scrubs. They're all the noobs that, you know, think they can just...
01:18:00
werthersoriginal
Yeah. I'm in your boat, John.
01:18:02
Dick VanMeat
I don't know.
01:18:03
werthersoriginal
I'm not really much for that structure and finding the spot.
01:18:07
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, it's it's weird.
01:18:08
werthersoriginal
I just want to fucking move in there.
01:18:09
Dick VanMeat
But, like, no. But seriously, the thing the cool thing about it is, like, if you're playing with Amir or Tim, they can handle all that stuff, and then you can just be along there for the ride and just, I'll just do my part.
01:18:18
werthersoriginal
Yeah, right?
01:18:22
Dick VanMeat
I'll just be the fucking tank. I'll just be the DPS. and I'll just, you know, I'll follow your lead.
01:18:25
werthersoriginal
Beat the shit out of everything I see.
01:18:27
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, just show me where to go. i just want to play the game, you know? So. but And then you can blame Tim when shit shit goes south like I do. You know what mean?
01:18:36
Steve-O
Damn it, Tim.
01:18:37
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
01:18:37
werthersoriginal
did it again Tim alright well is there anything else from this week we want to talk about
01:18:39
Dick VanMeat
You Timmed us again.
01:18:40
DeeBo
You dirty son of a
01:18:44
Dick VanMeat
but yeah.
01:18:48
DeeBo
Did we just want to briefly talk about Last of Us? Because the finale happened.
01:18:52
Dick VanMeat
ah
01:18:53
Steve-O
I haven't watched it.
01:18:54
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
01:18:54
Steve-O
I haven't watched it.
01:18:55
DeeBo
What the hell are you doing, buddy?
01:18:55
Dick VanMeat
Oh, good.
01:18:55
werthersoriginal
Steve hasn't been watched it
01:18:55
Steve-O
I'm behind. I'm sorry.
01:18:56
Dick VanMeat
Good.
01:18:57
Steve-O
I'm sorry.
01:18:57
Dick VanMeat
Good, good, good. Yeah, watch it.
01:19:00
Steve-O
Dude, this has been hell week.
01:19:00
Dick VanMeat
We'll talk about it next week.
01:19:01
Steve-O
This has been hell week for me work-wise.
01:19:02
werthersoriginal
Same here, dog. Same here, dog. I'm right there with you
01:19:04
Dick VanMeat
We can talk about it next week. We can talk about it next week.
01:19:06
DeeBo
Yeah, we'll talk about it next week.
01:19:07
Dick VanMeat
It's fine.
01:19:07
Steve-O
I'll catch up. I will catch up. My bad. My bad listeners. That one's on me.
01:19:10
Dick VanMeat
You know what, Steve?
01:19:10
werthersoriginal
you. Everybody had to take a little little work insanity this week.
01:19:12
Dick VanMeat
You have to finish it. You have to finish it, and you have to play you have to play the whole game again this week.
01:19:17
Steve-O
I gotta play the whole game?
01:19:18
Dick VanMeat
Yeah. Oh, no.
01:19:19
Steve-O
was gonna play The Last of Us 3.
01:19:19
Dick VanMeat
yeah
01:19:22
Dick VanMeat
oh
01:19:22
werthersoriginal
What?
01:19:23
Steve-O
oh
01:19:23
Dick VanMeat
oh no
01:19:24
DeeBo
How dare you?
01:19:25
Steve-O
Yeah, I got early access. They gave me early access.
01:19:27
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, because it's going to be a light week next week.
01:19:27
DeeBo
this
01:19:27
werthersoriginal
Damn, girl.
01:19:30
Dick VanMeat
It's going to be Mario Kart World and what else?
01:19:30
DeeBo
Yeah, well sort of. i mean, Summer Games Fest comes is Friday.
01:19:36
Dick VanMeat
Oh, fuck!
01:19:36
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:19:36
Dick VanMeat
Yeah!
01:19:37
Steve-O
Dude.
01:19:37
Dick VanMeat
Dude, yeah, you know, I'm actually hyped for for Summer Games Fest, dude.
01:19:39
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:19:41
Dick VanMeat
I think they're going to announce the next Street Fighter 6 season characters on Friday at Summer Games Fest.
01:19:41
DeeBo
yeah
01:19:45
DeeBo
Okay. Yo, isn't it? Dude, you know what? There's always just a little bit something when you're fantasy critics. on the line, dude.
01:19:55
Dick VanMeat
Dude, i i I added a couple things and deleted Marathon this week, and...
01:19:59
Steve-O
I saw that, dude.
01:20:00
DeeBo
Oh, yeah. That's fair.
01:20:02
Steve-O
I was like, end of an era.
01:20:02
DeeBo
That's fair.
01:20:03
Steve-O
John...
01:20:04
werthersoriginal
wow
01:20:05
Steve-O
I don't want to play with this anymore.
01:20:05
Dick VanMeat
i of an end of ah No, because you think about it, and it's like it's either going to come out, and it's going to be fine, but it's just going to get shit on by the reviews because of it coming out and it existing right now, or it's going to get delayed.
01:20:08
DeeBo
I don't want to play with you yet.
01:20:10
Steve-O
exactly
01:20:23
Dick VanMeat
So...
01:20:23
DeeBo
Wait, who got a... Oh, Steve. You're going to eat, I think, some major shit, dude.
01:20:28
Dick VanMeat
I was waiting for somebody to counterpick Marathon.
01:20:30
Steve-O
What's that? What's that for mind's eye?
01:20:32
DeeBo
Mind's Eye is apparently... They're like, this is going to be so bad. And then I looked into it because I was like, what did they say?
01:20:37
werthersoriginal
Oh, no.
01:20:38
Steve-O
No, no, no, no, no.
01:20:40
DeeBo
Have you read anything about it, Steve?
01:20:42
Steve-O
I've, you know, i've I've been, I've been, I can't, I got locked.
01:20:42
Dick VanMeat
Just drop it.
01:20:43
DeeBo
No, it counterpicked Rain, I think.
01:20:45
Steve-O
I got locked by rain insider insider.
01:20:46
Dick VanMeat
oh right. Insider training.
01:20:48
DeeBo
Yeah, dude, insider trading...
01:20:50
Dick VanMeat
oh no.
01:20:51
werthersoriginal
He knew that was going to be a baked potato.
01:20:52
Dick VanMeat
He did it again.
01:20:52
Steve-O
You know what? You know what? Here's the thing. I think it's just going to be an average game. I think I, cause I've seen the Reddit posts that people have been going on for that game.
01:21:00
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:21:01
Steve-O
It seems like it's, I don't know, man.
01:21:03
DeeBo
They're like... Well, I didn't realize... So it was originally basically some sort of like... Not Fortnite, but they were like... The idea was this is a game where you can create games.
01:21:14
DeeBo
Like a game in the universe where you can create new games.
01:21:15
Steve-O
Oh, that's never good. That's no good.
01:21:18
Dick VanMeat
Ew.
01:21:19
DeeBo
And then Mind's Eye was like one of those...
01:21:20
werthersoriginal
You make my game for me. Why do I got to make it myself?
01:21:23
DeeBo
Yeah, and then Mind's Eye was one of those games that you could play.
01:21:24
Steve-O
Make my game.
01:21:27
DeeBo
And then all of a sudden, they stopped talking about that game. And now it's all about Mind's Eye. And this PC version has like a ah world builder in it, which is, is you know, what that whatever that thing was. and there was There was talk about a preview event, and they're like, they wouldn't let us play the game.
01:21:47
DeeBo
They wouldn't let us use any footage.
01:21:48
werthersoriginal
Oof.
01:21:50
DeeBo
In the footage, they were using, they were activating God mode.
01:21:50
werthersoriginal
Oof.
01:21:53
DeeBo
And they're like, why are you doing this? Like, isn't this game coming out?
01:21:58
Steve-O
Nah, man, they got they got Leslie Benzies. He's going to fix it in next week.
01:22:02
DeeBo
He's going it.
01:22:02
Steve-O
He's going to fix it in the week, man.
01:22:03
DeeBo
ah People are saying it's like, you know, Glassdoor reviews or whatever. Like it's like the perfect example of like old school toxic game making like bad, bad news, dude.
01:22:19
DeeBo
You know, I hope.
01:22:19
Dick VanMeat
Are we going to be watching this when we're playing Mario Kart?
01:22:20
DeeBo
Well, I will.
01:22:22
Dick VanMeat
don't think I'm even going to watching this.
01:22:24
DeeBo
ah well
01:22:25
Steve-O
Well, that's the thing. That's the thing. I'm going be eating good with Mario.
01:22:29
werthersoriginal
Mean Good Mario.
01:22:29
DeeBo
All right.
01:22:29
Steve-O
Mario Kart.
01:22:30
Dick VanMeat
Oh, this...
01:22:30
DeeBo
Oh, that's right. You have God. That's right. Damn it.
01:22:33
Steve-O
I'm going be eating good. Yeah, you try and shoot down a bird, boom. I get bigger wings. I'm a phoenix.
01:22:39
DeeBo
All right.
01:22:39
Dick VanMeat
Yo, what do we what do we have to make Steve eat if Mario Kart gets under an 8 out 10? He's got...
01:22:44
DeeBo
but Under an eight, dude, a bullet.
01:22:46
Dick VanMeat
He's got to eat something.
01:22:47
DeeBo
I think that's what he has to eat.
01:22:47
Dick VanMeat
He's got to eat something.
01:22:48
werthersoriginal
He's gonna eat something?
01:22:48
Steve-O
Dude, I'll just, I'll eat some Wawa mozzarella sticks because those things suck.
01:22:48
Dick VanMeat
yeah He's got to eat.
01:22:53
werthersoriginal
yeah ah
01:22:55
Steve-O
Those things are grainy.
01:22:55
DeeBo
You know, honestly, honestly, I would say Wingstop because nothing rips through me like a Wingstop wing, dude.
01:22:59
Steve-O
Oh, dude. no No, dude, that's evil. That's like if Mario Kart gets a six.
01:23:03
DeeBo
yeah that's
01:23:04
Dick VanMeat
Wait, is Wingstop bad?
01:23:07
DeeBo
Wingstop? I've never had Wingstop without spending a very long time on the toilet, right like right after.
01:23:13
Steve-O
ah Honestly, same, dude. Same. And it's it's not like just like, I'm going to take a shit. It's the shits where you're like, this thing is going to deviate my asshole.
01:23:23
Dick VanMeat
So it's not so it's not it's not a taco it's not a Taco Bell meme anymore.
01:23:23
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah, like
01:23:27
Dick VanMeat
It's a Wingstop
EA and Industry Critiques
01:23:28
Dick VanMeat
meme now.
01:23:28
werthersoriginal
ah Steve, I think if it gets below a four, you have to eat a durian fruit.
01:23:28
DeeBo
too For me? Yeah.
01:23:32
werthersoriginal
the ones that smell like like death.
01:23:32
Steve-O
Oh, dude, I don't want Oh, no, man.
01:23:34
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, but then you it'll it'll fully heal you.
01:23:34
Steve-O
i don't want that.
01:23:37
Dick VanMeat
Zelda-wise. Yeah.
01:23:39
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah.
01:23:40
Steve-O
if it You know what If it gets below two, I'll just i'll just fucking rip my feet off.
01:23:40
DeeBo
But...
01:23:46
Steve-O
Fucking rip my feet off.
01:23:48
DeeBo
Yeah, fuck it. I mean, that's... I would...
01:23:51
werthersoriginal
I mean, i am that's like a, to to be honest, that's like a 0.15% chance.
01:23:52
DeeBo
I'd take that bet. The odds of that happening are zero. So...
01:23:57
werthersoriginal
yeah. It's not going
01:23:58
DeeBo
yeah
01:23:59
Steve-O
um But it's it's still a chance.
01:24:01
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:24:01
werthersoriginal
to be bad.
01:24:02
DeeBo
Rip my own feet off.
01:24:03
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, what if it's bad?
01:24:04
DeeBo
It won't. Dude, come on.
01:24:05
werthersoriginal
I mean, come on. i mean
01:24:07
DeeBo
ah I did.
01:24:07
Dick VanMeat
It looks awesome.
01:24:07
DeeBo
You know what sucks is I heard somebody poo-pooing, I heard somebody poo-pooing Donkey Kong Bonanza.
01:24:09
Dick VanMeat
They got Super Mario Bros. 3. Who was poo-pooing that?
01:24:13
Steve-O
Oh, who's doing that?
01:24:15
DeeBo
I guess I'm fucking YouTuber. They were like, it just feels like really kiddy.
01:24:18
Dick VanMeat
What were they saying?
01:24:20
DeeBo
They're like, it feels like, they're like, if you're four, you'll love this.
01:24:22
Dick VanMeat
um I'm sorry.
01:24:25
Dick VanMeat
Wait, they played it, or they're just saying...
01:24:27
DeeBo
Yeah, they went to like a Switch 2 event.
01:24:27
Dick VanMeat
it
01:24:29
DeeBo
Yeah, it was like, can't remember who it was, but but I was like, oh, no, dude.
01:24:32
Steve-O
This is why I don't listen to people.
01:24:33
Dick VanMeat
Oh, man.
01:24:34
Steve-O
don't listen to people.
01:24:35
Dick VanMeat
Well, yo, baby.
01:24:35
Steve-O
Minds-eye Mario Kart 10s out of 10s, cross the board.
01:24:37
Dick VanMeat
Dude, that's my counter pick, yo, that's the fucking look at fantasy critics back on the menu, baby.
01:24:39
DeeBo
Yeah, Steve's fine.
01:24:42
DeeBo
and know. That's what I wanted to tell you.
01:24:46
DeeBo
Shit.
01:24:46
Dick VanMeat
Even though I'm really excited for Donkey Kong Bonanza, I can't
01:24:49
DeeBo
Yeah, no, I think it's going be great. But, like, it might not be the fucking Odyssey 10 out of 11 out of know? you know
01:24:56
Steve-O
I think this year was the lesson that Grand Theft Auto history isn't Grand Theft Auto.
01:25:05
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
01:25:07
DeeBo
I don't know what that means, Steve, but yes.
01:25:08
werthersoriginal
I've got a loss too.
01:25:09
DeeBo
but
01:25:09
Steve-O
i picked I picked Leslie Benzies because he's got he's got some some alumni.
01:25:09
werthersoriginal
What does that mean?
01:25:13
werthersoriginal
Oh, oh, I see.
01:25:13
DeeBo
Okay.
01:25:15
werthersoriginal
i see.
01:25:15
DeeBo
No, I understand that. I understand. Yeah.
01:25:18
werthersoriginal
you got, you got, you thinking that the magic is only at Rockstar. Once you leave.
01:25:24
DeeBo
Let's like, or like maybe, maybe part of the magic is having an unlimited budget and unlimited time.
01:25:24
werthersoriginal
Sorry, bro.
01:25:25
Steve-O
right, bro.
01:25:30
Steve-O
e
01:25:31
werthersoriginal
Yeah, that helps too.
01:25:32
DeeBo
Because, you know, probably everyone. yeah Speaking of, I don't know how I feel about this. So they there's a story. ah The Black Panther game that was announced like four years ago was canceled.
01:25:48
DeeBo
Which is a shame.
01:25:49
Steve-O
the The EA one, not the 1943.
01:25:50
DeeBo
The EA one.
01:25:51
Steve-O
nineteen forty three
01:25:51
DeeBo
Yeah, a yeah. But it was canceled.
01:25:53
werthersoriginal
Oh, okay. okay
01:25:55
DeeBo
And like what makes this kind of extra stupid is that
01:26:01
DeeBo
EA created this company, said, you're going to make this Black Panther game and then cancel it. And then like, i don't think they fired everybody, but like everybody got fired.
01:26:12
DeeBo
You know what I mean? They disbanded the company.
01:26:15
Steve-O
Mm-hmm.
01:26:16
DeeBo
so And you know you're like, oh, you know there's EA being shitty again, and which is all true, right? It's bad. However, ah Jason Schreier put a tweet out like the day after this came out, and he's like, it was basically EA, because one of the the the heartbreakers is they hit, I think they call it a gate, but basically it's the milestone that says, okay, now we can start production.
01:26:44
DeeBo
We're done pre-production. Now we can actually start making the game. The problem is apparently EA was very upset that it took them four years just even start the game.
01:26:57
DeeBo
And not to be that guy, but... And obviously there's a lot of details and context missing here. But I read that and I was like, you know, if I just checked in on a company...
01:27:09
DeeBo
And it took at four years in and they're like, we're just about to start making the game, which is going to take another three to five years. I don't know, man. I might be thinking about cutting my losses.
01:27:22
DeeBo
Or maybe I'm a piece of shit, right?
01:27:23
Dick VanMeat
man
01:27:24
DeeBo
But when I read that and I'm like, don't know, man. That's pretty fun. Like, that's pretty crazy for them to be like. What do you mean we're fired? It's like, dude, it took you four years just to say you're ready to start.
01:27:38
DeeBo
And I understand a lot. It goes into pre-production and I understand video games are hard, but also it's like four years and you're not even, you're just now telling me that you're ready to go.
01:27:52
DeeBo
i don't know. It's like, maybe people shouldn't be as surprised as they were.
01:28:01
DeeBo
maybe maybe Maybe I'm just team suit here. Maybe I'm a corpo piece of shit, but don't know.
01:28:07
werthersoriginal
I knew that already.
01:28:09
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah it was Chris knew.
01:28:12
DeeBo
Fuck it.
01:28:13
Steve-O
Makes sense. Hey, makes sense.
01:28:14
DeeBo
No, fuck it. right EA's the worst. It's too quiet here. You guys aren't agreeing with me.
01:28:17
Steve-O
No, no, no. I'm quiet because I'm trying to I'm trying, I'm trying to think about, I'm trying to think about, I'm trying to formulate.
01:28:20
DeeBo
Let me see if I can find the Shrive pack.
01:28:22
Steve-O
Cause like, here's, here's, yeah, like four years. And then you could say like, Hey, we're ready to go. That seems like a long time.
01:28:32
DeeBo
Yeah, you know, it's a little too long, dude.
01:28:34
Steve-O
Like, You know, I remember it took like six years since the teaser for L.A. Noire. You remember that? Noire. That was like in my head. That was like such a long wait. I bought a PS3 for L.A. Noire.
01:28:48
Steve-O
Then I played L.A.
01:28:49
DeeBo
Yeah. Yeah.
01:28:49
Steve-O
Noire and it was fine. It was like a seven. An eight, maybe. don't know.
01:28:54
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:28:55
Steve-O
It was fine.
01:28:56
werthersoriginal
I think they focused too much on something that wasn't fun inherently in L.A.
01:29:02
Steve-O
yeah
01:29:03
werthersoriginal
Noire, like just faces.
01:29:03
Steve-O
Come on. Drilling people. oh Look at those faces. Try to determine this man is making weird, suspicious faces at you. if He's lying. think he's lying.
01:29:11
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:29:12
Steve-O
Damn it.
01:29:13
DeeBo
oh
01:29:14
Steve-O
Oh, I didn't expect.
01:29:14
werthersoriginal
Oh my God.
01:29:15
DeeBo
That was my, that was my thump.
01:29:15
Steve-O
Yeah, thats that i hit the X button.
01:29:18
DeeBo
You have to get really intense.
01:29:19
Steve-O
Somebody's lying. Hmm.
01:29:19
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:29:20
werthersoriginal
Doubt.
01:29:20
DeeBo
um Yeah. So per i' like, and this is part of the stuff that sucked, right? It's like cliffhangers, the studio name, they were hiring people like very recently. Like they, they had no idea, which is like always pretty hard, well but yeah, the game had not left pre-production after four years.
01:29:30
Steve-O
oh
01:29:39
DeeBo
And, you
01:29:39
Steve-O
I'm not going to lie. I think just game developers now, I think all the super cracked ones kind of that they're all in the upper echelon departments now. And all the people who are actually doing the coding and the work, you know, think ah every time something updates of mine now, it's always worse.
01:29:56
Dick VanMeat
Thank you.
01:30:03
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:30:03
Steve-O
Does anybody else kind of run into this thing?
01:30:03
DeeBo
yeah My phone updated and it's, it's now.
01:30:05
Steve-O
And I'm like,
01:30:06
werthersoriginal
So that you're what you're saying is they're promoting the people that were doing the best work, you know kind of dealing with updates and making the game play better to positions.
01:30:17
Steve-O
I think just just with everything, like in every role, I think the position of the people who innately knew the systems have gotten pushed up in the company too high to the point where they don't actually work on the things that they knew front and back.
01:30:20
werthersoriginal
Hmm.
01:30:26
werthersoriginal
Hmm.
01:30:35
Steve-O
And the people who are taking over those roles are kind of like the underlings.
01:30:38
werthersoriginal
And they're not doing as good.
01:30:39
Steve-O
And they just don't really have that innate sensibilities as those previous people. And i'm I'm saying this is like a more recent thing.
01:30:44
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:30:46
Steve-O
I'm saying that like this is like... There's like a small bump and a lot of people got kicked out. Like, because... Not kicked out. People got fired. There been mass layoffs across the board. Every industry.
01:30:56
DeeBo
Yeah. Every week you're hearing something.
01:30:58
Steve-O
Yeah. So... I think all the people who like had their hands in there got kicked out. I think a lot of the people who also knew the guts got pushed up into those mid manager jobs.
01:31:10
Steve-O
And then the people kind of forced to do those things. They just don't, they just don't know as much. So things are just getting sloppy and messy.
01:31:18
werthersoriginal
ah You know, not everybody's built for management. Not everybody's built for coding and updating and modding.
01:31:23
Steve-O
Devin's built for management. You see how he was ready just sweep that company under the rug.
01:31:26
werthersoriginal
That boy has middle management written all over
01:31:27
DeeBo
yeah du
01:31:30
DeeBo
Throw them out, bro. Just
01:31:33
Steve-O
Chris, you care too much. You care too much. You look into someone's eyes, you see them watering.
01:31:39
DeeBo
saying. Hey, guys, it's been four years. What do you got? Well, we got some good art. Oh, cool. Do you have working...
01:31:44
Steve-O
You got to understand, Chris.
01:31:46
werthersoriginal
Well, it's also like, it's it's definitely an indictment of EA too for letting that happen.
01:31:51
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:31:51
Steve-O
True.
01:31:52
werthersoriginal
like Like, they they look like dickheads that don't know what's going on in their own company.
01:31:53
DeeBo
Oh, for sure, yeah.
01:31:59
Steve-O
Are you telling me the team that just let Anthem rot?
01:31:59
DeeBo
And it's a shame.
01:32:03
Steve-O
ah just there They don't know what's going on in their company?
01:32:06
DeeBo
And it's a shame because apparently like it was going to use like something like the Nemesis system. Scrolls and all that. and
01:32:14
Dick VanMeat
Are they even allowed to use the Nemesis system in a Marvel game?
01:32:14
DeeBo
You know. Well, think they were basically...
01:32:16
Steve-O
Yes, they are. They're officially allowed now, I think, right?
01:32:18
DeeBo
Are they really? have no idea.
01:32:20
Steve-O
didn't that Didn't that finally go away?
01:32:21
werthersoriginal
I let him have it.
01:32:22
Steve-O
Hold I'm looking it up.
01:32:23
DeeBo
Yeah, fuck it, right?
01:32:25
werthersoriginal
I let him have it.
01:32:25
DeeBo
Well, you know what? Apparently it's the kiss of death, dude. Because...
01:32:27
werthersoriginal
I don't mind. I'm letting a lot of people have it nowadays.
01:32:30
Steve-O
August 11, 2036.
01:32:31
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:32:31
Steve-O
Fuck. What but
01:32:33
DeeBo
I've never... Sorry. So I think maybe they were like building their own version. Something similar, but not exactly... Who knows, right? don't know how it works, but... don't know.
01:32:45
DeeBo
You read it and you're like, they're typical garbage EA. And then you read that and I go, well, actually, that makes sense.
01:32:52
Steve-O
was the last EA game that we've been stoked for?
01:32:52
DeeBo
I'd be pretty...
01:32:55
werthersoriginal
Oh my god. yeah.
01:32:57
DeeBo
Yeah. ah The Dead Space remake was sick, but ah they were like, it didn't make enough money, so there's going to be no more Dead Space remakes.
01:33:01
werthersoriginal
oh yeah
01:33:01
werthersoriginal
yeah
01:33:01
Steve-O
That is true.
01:33:06
Steve-O
Dude, well, maybe you shouldn't have released that like the month before Resident Evil 4.
01:33:12
werthersoriginal
Actually, wait. didn't they make Aren't they making the Dead Space team work on... um i was reading about this.
01:33:18
DeeBo
Battlefield or something?
01:33:18
werthersoriginal
Goddamn.
01:33:19
DeeBo
Probably.
01:33:19
werthersoriginal
Yeah, like something... the The people that made the remake, they're being shuffled off to another project.
01:33:23
DeeBo
Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:26
DeeBo
It's a shame.
01:33:26
werthersoriginal
That sucks, man.
01:33:27
DeeBo
Yeah. ah Yeah, EA, Dragon Age, that didn't work out.
01:33:33
werthersoriginal
Did they make Alien Isolation? Was that under them?
01:33:35
Steve-O
No, that was Sega.
01:33:36
werthersoriginal
That was Sega?
01:33:37
Steve-O
or That wasn't Sega, but Sega published it.
01:33:40
werthersoriginal
Okay.
01:33:41
DeeBo
I know they the the last game they had was the Split Fiction, which is the the guy.
01:33:45
Steve-O
Oh, right. They got what's-his-face Joseph Farris in there in their cat box.
01:33:48
DeeBo
Yeah, yeah.
01:33:49
Steve-O
cat
01:33:49
DeeBo
And people seem say it's it's good, but like it's not the... I don't feel like I need to play that one.
01:33:56
Steve-O
Those games aren't the, they're not the blockbusters.
01:33:57
werthersoriginal
Nope.
01:33:59
Steve-O
They're the like, wow, this is this is something special, but they're not the blockbusters.
01:34:02
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:34:03
werthersoriginal
They're doubles.
01:34:04
Steve-O
Yeah, they're the doubles.
01:34:04
werthersoriginal
They get you on second base. They're not home runs.
01:34:08
DeeBo
So it's still probably mostly EA being garbage, but, you know, it's the same time.
01:34:14
Steve-O
I think those, those companies like EA, I think Ubisoft, I think they kind of have become like an albatross around a lot of games next now.
01:34:26
werthersoriginal
Mm-hmm.
01:34:26
Steve-O
You see that and you're like, I've been burned too much by this huge company.
01:34:30
DeeBo
Well, like a lot of developers that I've like read about and they're like EA, they're like EA will give you rope. They give you a lot of rope and it's up to you to do something with it.
01:34:41
DeeBo
But they will also give you enough rope to hang yourself. Like if you don't have the ah good workflow or pipeline and you're just kind of. um you know, not doing what you need to do, they will come in and fucking fire you and everybody you work with, clearly, they will do that. So.
01:35:00
werthersoriginal
So hands off, but expect the results. i mean, you would think that would be breeding some of the more creative stuff, but I think here's the issue though.
01:35:06
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:35:09
DeeBo
But it's like creatives are the worst managers, right?
01:35:13
werthersoriginal
It's what these people are being made to make. Like it's about, you know, putting the right, you know, the, the, the right talent with the right project.
01:35:16
DeeBo
Yeah. Yeah.
01:35:22
werthersoriginal
And they're not good at that.
01:35:24
Steve-O
no
01:35:25
werthersoriginal
Like they're not. um And they also don't see success. when they When it's right in front of their face. So they really only have themselves to blame. Like, that's really what all comes down to.
01:35:38
werthersoriginal
EA is as shit as everybody thinks they are. Because they're letting all this shit happen and fester.
01:35:40
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:35:43
werthersoriginal
And now their name is Mud.
01:35:46
DeeBo
i mean, it's been mud, but yeah.
01:35:48
werthersoriginal
Yeah, it still is
Author Contributions to Gaming
01:35:49
werthersoriginal
Mud. Ubisoft's name is Mud, too. You know, same reason.
01:35:55
DeeBo
Let's see. There's some other things. that It's been a weird few weeks. I know. right.
01:36:06
DeeBo
Am I crazy? I thought Alex Garland was telling everybody he wasn't going to be directing any more movies.
01:36:12
werthersoriginal
sure So did I.
01:36:13
DeeBo
And apparently he's going to be doing an Elden Ring movie, which is interesting.
01:36:13
werthersoriginal
who
01:36:15
Steve-O
Thank you.
01:36:19
werthersoriginal
Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. Like, the movie being made is one thing. I guess they they're going to make it. But the way I see it, Alex Garland made Annihilation.
01:36:26
DeeBo
Yes.
01:36:32
werthersoriginal
And what Elden Ring truly needs is Lord of the Rings meets Annihilation.
01:36:32
DeeBo
Yes.
01:36:39
werthersoriginal
If you can pull that off, which I think he might be able to, it could be great. But like, they need to focus on characters that are already kind of built into the story.
01:36:51
werthersoriginal
And that would have to be like, Vike. Or, like, Vike's perfect. I think if you if you make the movie about him, you really will have something interesting.
01:37:02
werthersoriginal
But like, I think it's it should be more Annihilation than of the Rings. Right? And that, could turn off like regular audiences.
01:37:10
DeeBo
Yeah, and even that, it's like, clearly they should just get whoever the creature, and I know it's not just like one guy, but they should, they were smart, they would just bring on whoever does a lot of that from the game, from FromSoftware.
01:37:25
werthersoriginal
Well, I think there are, augur there are going to have people like advisors from the game.
01:37:26
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:37:30
werthersoriginal
Like I, I, it's not going to happen in a bubble like this movie.
01:37:33
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:37:34
werthersoriginal
I know movie nowadays does like, So I am confident that there will be some and inspiration from the original project, from the original creators.
01:37:46
Steve-O
You think George RR is going to be on board?
01:37:47
werthersoriginal
But that's the problem. That's the one thing I was just going to bring it up. like But also he's on board. and like that i have I'm losing more respect of that man as the days pass.
01:38:05
DeeBo
yeah Yeah.
01:38:07
werthersoriginal
It's like it never, it's never going up. It's always going down.
01:38:12
Steve-O
I mean, you know, come on.
01:38:12
werthersoriginal
And.
01:38:13
Steve-O
I mean, technically he was like, what what if we did like a multiplayer like Fortnite game?
01:38:19
werthersoriginal
who
01:38:19
Steve-O
That would be kind of sick, no?
01:38:23
werthersoriginal
You sack of shit. I knew it was you.
01:38:26
Steve-O
That would be sick. What if we drop a banana in the middle of the map and everybody runs to it?
01:38:30
werthersoriginal
That's.
01:38:34
Steve-O
The first person to eat the banana wins the Elden Ring.
01:38:37
werthersoriginal
It's like anything I might like that he might make. I'm always like spiteful that he isn't working on Winds of Winter. I'm like, why don't do this? Like nobody, don't, people are asking this of you.
01:38:50
werthersoriginal
who
01:38:50
Steve-O
Somebody needed to write Weekend at Birdies 3, Chris.
01:38:54
werthersoriginal
knows?
01:38:56
Steve-O
It is going to be the old George Racecar Red Martin.
01:39:02
werthersoriginal
um
01:39:03
DeeBo
Yeah, I'm one of those guys.
01:39:05
werthersoriginal
know
01:39:05
DeeBo
He was just complaining. He was like, oh, they hate me. It's like, well, you know.
01:39:09
werthersoriginal
Well, you're a sack of shit, fucking years.
01:39:11
DeeBo
ah so You're a piece of shit. You're real piece of shit, George.
01:39:15
Steve-O
You know, i was i was young when I read your books for the first time.
01:39:18
DeeBo
I got grays.
01:39:18
Steve-O
Now look at me.
01:39:20
DeeBo
My pubic hair is gray now.
01:39:21
Steve-O
How is he still alive, Chris?
01:39:25
werthersoriginal
14 years he hasn't written a sequel to his book.
01:39:29
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:39:30
werthersoriginal
It makes me respect, it makes me respect, like, The Dark Tower more.
01:39:31
DeeBo
And he knows it.
01:39:35
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:39:36
werthersoriginal
Because that was really, like, the last couple books were obviously really rushed. But he finished it.
01:39:41
Steve-O
He did it. He finished the fight.
01:39:43
werthersoriginal
I mean, it's flawed, but it's finished.
01:39:47
Steve-O
Dude, cocaine's a hell of a drug.
01:39:47
DeeBo
Yeah. there's I mean, he's always, he's like one of the all time greats when it comes to just writing shit fast.
01:39:56
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:39:56
werthersoriginal
But, you know, that series, he took breaks. And he knew, like, if I take a long enough break, I'm never coming back to this.
01:40:03
DeeBo
Yeah. Yeah.
01:40:04
werthersoriginal
And he kind of, he kind of sped up. What was it? um The fifth, the sixth and the seventh book all came out within like six months or seven months.
01:40:14
DeeBo
he broke He broke the glass, dude.
01:40:15
werthersoriginal
So that's what I mean. Like I, he knew, well, he fucking knew like, I will procrastinate.
01:40:17
DeeBo
He broke the cocaine glass and just said, let's go.
01:40:23
werthersoriginal
This will fester. I'll never finish. And George R. Martin doesn't have that foresight at all.
01:40:27
Steve-O
No. King does.
01:40:30
DeeBo
He's just like, whatever.
01:40:32
Steve-O
Stein definitely does.
01:40:33
DeeBo
yeah dude, Stein's the best. He's the GOAT, dude.
01:40:35
werthersoriginal
The most prolific child author in the history of mankind.
01:40:39
Steve-O
I don't think you can call him that. That makes it sound like he's a child.
01:40:44
werthersoriginal
ah That's how he writes so good for children.
01:40:45
DeeBo
I mean, oh
01:40:50
Steve-O
He does the thing that was that mind trick where ah the the baby man the child when he went down the slide.
01:40:54
werthersoriginal
Yeah. Yes.
01:40:58
Steve-O
The fuck was that show card?
01:40:59
werthersoriginal
Yes. He changed.
01:41:01
Steve-O
Criss Angel. Criss Angel.
01:41:02
werthersoriginal
Criss Angel.
01:41:03
DeeBo
oh yeah.
01:41:03
werthersoriginal
he He pulls a Criss Angel.
01:41:04
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:41:04
werthersoriginal
He turns himself back into a child. And he writes Our Greatest Horrors.
01:41:07
DeeBo
yeah I'll be honest. That's when I stopped fucking with Chris Angel. i was like, that's not a trick. That's just acting.
01:41:12
Steve-O
ah
01:41:14
DeeBo
dude the so the first R.L. his first book in July
01:41:17
Steve-O
yeah
01:41:21
Steve-O
I'm just imagining, I'm imagining, I'm imagining R.L.
01:41:21
werthersoriginal
Goddamn.
01:41:23
DeeBo
stone shop
01:41:26
Steve-O
Stine standing at the top of a slide going like, I got a good idea for a book. And he slides down a slide and there's a child down there and he goes, monster blood.
01:41:31
werthersoriginal
yeah
01:41:41
DeeBo
Say cheese and die, baby. It's like, oh, sick, dude.
01:41:44
werthersoriginal
You know, you know what I just realized, Evan? You said he wrote his first book in 1992.
01:41:49
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:41:49
werthersoriginal
The first book of the Game Thrones series was,
01:41:51
DeeBo
The first Goosebumps book, at least, yeah.
01:41:53
werthersoriginal
first Game of Thrones book was written in 1996. So within that span of time till now, R. Martin has completely destroyed George R.
01:42:03
werthersoriginal
R. Martin in producing books.
01:42:04
DeeBo
Dude.
01:42:07
werthersoriginal
Like, it...
01:42:08
DeeBo
62 Goosebumps books, dude. Not counting the spinoffs.
01:42:11
Dick VanMeat
you
01:42:12
werthersoriginal
Unbelievable.
01:42:14
DeeBo
Beat your dude.
01:42:16
werthersoriginal
Yeah, your heart out, George.
01:42:16
DeeBo
yeah
01:42:18
werthersoriginal
Fucking fat asshole.
01:42:19
DeeBo
I wonder if they're good.
01:42:19
Steve-O
It's the name of an excellent Goosebumps book, I imagine.
01:42:20
DeeBo
you think they hold up? Any of them?
01:42:23
Steve-O
Probably not. Probably not.
01:42:24
DeeBo
Damn it.
01:42:25
Steve-O
mean, maybe, though. You know what? Galani and chill. Just watch all the Goosebumps show, Chris.
01:42:28
DeeBo
take Yeah, you know, Chris, you can feel snooty and just read some Goosebumps books.
01:42:33
werthersoriginal
You know, I did it last week, surprisingly. I wrote all these notes for it, so...
01:42:35
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:42:37
Steve-O
Oh, no.
01:42:37
werthersoriginal
It's for my own purposes, but...
01:42:39
DeeBo
Which Haunted Mask is your favorite? One, two, or three?
01:42:41
werthersoriginal
Oh, well, obviously it's two!
01:42:43
DeeBo
Okay.
01:42:44
werthersoriginal
That goes by saying...
01:42:47
DeeBo
Dude.
01:42:47
werthersoriginal
It's her shitty brother that gets the mask, and he deserves it.
01:42:49
DeeBo
Generational Run, man.
01:42:52
Steve-O
What else we got?
01:42:52
DeeBo
This fucking... Sorry.
01:42:53
Steve-O
What else we got?
01:42:54
DeeBo
Yeah, I fell in the goosebumps hole.
01:42:54
werthersoriginal
Uh... What else?
01:42:54
Steve-O
Nah, you're good.
01:42:56
Dick VanMeat
think that's it.
01:42:56
DeeBo
on We got a Frankenstein trailer.
01:42:57
werthersoriginal
Ah, bear.
01:43:00
DeeBo
we got the...
01:43:00
Steve-O
I'm excited about this Frankenstein. You know, got Guillermo on it.
01:43:02
werthersoriginal
Rank.
01:43:04
DeeBo
is it Is it bad that i heard that I saw It's a Netflix movie and I was like, Oh, never mind. movie's going to stink.
01:43:11
Dick VanMeat
Guillermo?
01:43:13
werthersoriginal
I got to hope. I got to hope that he's putting out his best here.
01:43:16
DeeBo
Somebody's got to be good, you know?
01:43:16
werthersoriginal
El Toro.
01:43:17
Steve-O
he always puts He always leaves me excited.
01:43:20
werthersoriginal
he was He was thinking about this one for a while. I know that. So there's got to be something there.
01:43:28
DeeBo
You think? i We got itop me This was
Anticipated Media Releases
01:43:34
DeeBo
canceled.
01:43:35
Steve-O
They should have called it two Topia or zoo to Pia.
01:43:35
DeeBo
Xbox. Yeah. Yeah.
01:43:38
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:43:38
Dick VanMeat
Zootopia.
01:43:40
werthersoriginal
Zootopia.
01:43:40
Steve-O
yeah
01:43:41
DeeBo
Apparently, so there's that Xbox handheld that's made by that one company, but the actual Xbox handheld, apparently they're pulling back on it.
01:43:41
werthersoriginal
Those idiots.
01:43:53
DeeBo
Everybody thought that was going to come out like this year. Apparently they're like, this might be a stupid idea. Maybe we shouldn't do this.
01:44:00
Steve-O
It was a stupid idea. Dude, they can't even sell an actual console. How are they going to sell a handheld version of that?
01:44:05
werthersoriginal
They got the perfect name for it, though. The Duke.
01:44:10
DeeBo
The... dog
01:44:11
Steve-O
Oh, that is a that is a good sound.
01:44:12
DeeBo
Goddamn, dude.
01:44:14
werthersoriginal
Dude, that's like perfect.
01:44:14
DeeBo
Shit. Shit.
01:44:15
Steve-O
Xbox Duke.
01:44:17
werthersoriginal
Yeah, they call it the Duke or something.
01:44:18
Steve-O
The Duke.
01:44:18
werthersoriginal
It's just like the big fat giant controller, right?
01:44:18
Steve-O
Yo, go get yourself the Duke.
01:44:24
werthersoriginal
Isn't that what they called it? I'm telling you.
01:44:25
Steve-O
Yeah. God damn, Chris. That's an excellent. Why didn't they just call console that?
01:44:32
werthersoriginal
They're stupid. They're stupid.
01:44:34
Steve-O
because like, because like, keep in mind, like instead of like going with the upgrades, you could be like, this is the Duke.
01:44:36
DeeBo
and
01:44:42
Steve-O
And then you could be like, here's the new console, the Xbox King, the Xbox Emperor.
01:44:45
werthersoriginal
I see Phil Spencer. He's hanging outside my window.
01:44:46
Steve-O
Hang in.
01:44:47
werthersoriginal
i think he was trying to get ideas.
01:44:48
Steve-O
Oh, no, he's got too much rope.
01:44:49
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
01:44:50
werthersoriginal
He was trying to get ideas. I'm going to shoot him off here. Get out of here.
01:44:57
Steve-O
I'm going to call the next Xbox Xbox.
01:44:57
werthersoriginal
Get out of here.
01:44:58
Steve-O
What's the date?
01:44:59
werthersoriginal
Get out of here.
01:45:01
Steve-O
ah
01:45:02
werthersoriginal
Eat my garbage.
01:45:02
DeeBo
He flies away like a bat.
01:45:04
werthersoriginal
Eat my garbage all the time.
01:45:06
DeeBo
Dude. ah We got Stranger Things date announcements. ah Announcements, plural.
01:45:12
Steve-O
what's what's the date
01:45:14
werthersoriginal
Oh, we're going on a date.
01:45:15
DeeBo
Yeah, you know. um Listen.
01:45:18
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, it's what? It's Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's.
01:45:21
DeeBo
Yeah, which was...
01:45:21
werthersoriginal
Three dates.
01:45:22
DeeBo
a Fuck it, right? It's going to good. It's probably going to be... Last season was one of the best seasons.
01:45:29
Steve-O
Is this just three episodes?
01:45:29
Dick VanMeat
It was really good.
01:45:31
Steve-O
Just three big episodes?
01:45:31
DeeBo
I mean, I would.
01:45:32
Dick VanMeat
That's what I was asking. Or um or is it like two...
01:45:33
werthersoriginal
You got it, man. Three movies.
01:45:36
Dick VanMeat
oh is that what it is? Three three really three really long episodes?
01:45:37
werthersoriginal
It's gotta to be.
01:45:38
Steve-O
That's what they did with the final two of last season.
01:45:41
DeeBo
Well, yeah, coming soon. November 20 something.
01:45:45
werthersoriginal
Did you see their...
01:45:45
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, I'd rather it be that than it being like two episodes here, three episodes here.
01:45:50
werthersoriginal
Did you see the new young squad?
01:45:53
DeeBo
No, just.
01:45:53
Steve-O
No.
01:45:54
werthersoriginal
Okay, I did see a promotional photo with Mike and he's like protecting a ah group of young kids.
01:46:01
Dick VanMeat
Oh, there's a new there's a new new group of kids?
01:46:03
DeeBo
Yeah, because there's there's the time jump in this, right?
01:46:03
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
01:46:06
werthersoriginal
I think so.
01:46:07
DeeBo
yeah like No offense, though. like you think of
01:46:09
Dick VanMeat
How much of a time jump? Is it just...
01:46:11
DeeBo
probably like I heard it was five years, but...
01:46:13
Dick VanMeat
Based on the fact that they're all fucking full-blown adults now?
01:46:15
DeeBo
Yeah, they all have beards now. Yeah, it's pretty hard to not do that.
01:46:19
Dick VanMeat
They all have families of their own now?
01:46:22
werthersoriginal
Well, those gentlemen made a really good point recently.
01:46:22
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:46:25
werthersoriginal
Finn Wolfhard.
01:46:25
Dick VanMeat
Who's the guy that screams in the in the trailer?
01:46:28
DeeBo
I think that's...
01:46:28
Dick VanMeat
Who's that Will?
01:46:29
Steve-O
That's a little screamy.
01:46:31
DeeBo
That's the kid. That's the main kid. Not the main, but the Tommy. fuck
01:46:34
Dick VanMeat
Will?
01:46:35
DeeBo
Well, I think it's Will. He's like, yeah, it's just, yeah, again, they're all fucking 50.
01:46:41
werthersoriginal
I...
01:46:43
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:46:43
werthersoriginal
Finn Wolfhard.
01:46:44
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, I was like, who the fuck is that?
01:46:46
werthersoriginal
Finn Wolfhard and whoever else made a good point about about Netflix, uh, bringing mine Hunter back.
01:46:51
DeeBo
yeah
01:46:52
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, they were like, bring back Mindhunter, you fucking cowards.
01:46:57
werthersoriginal
Way to go kids.
01:46:57
Dick VanMeat
I agree with them.
01:46:59
DeeBo
All right, so Chris or whoever brought this up, they're guarding the new crew. found the screenshot.
01:47:05
Dick VanMeat
Let me see.
01:47:08
DeeBo
And going to post the picture, and I want you to tell me.
01:47:09
Dick VanMeat
Post it. Post it. Fucking post it. Post it.
01:47:13
Steve-O
Were you posting it? Were you posting it?
01:47:15
DeeBo
to post it in the shit talk.
01:47:15
Dick VanMeat
Shit talk.
01:47:16
werthersoriginal
So I think those kids will probably be our age, right?
01:47:17
DeeBo
All
01:47:20
werthersoriginal
Like, they will be born in 1986.
01:47:21
DeeBo
right, which one do you think my favorite?
01:47:22
werthersoriginal
Wait, wait, hold on
01:47:24
Steve-O
Oh.
01:47:27
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, I know.
01:47:28
DeeBo
Which one's going to be the number the best one?
01:47:31
werthersoriginal
on. I got my favorite, too.
01:47:32
DeeBo
Yeah, dude. It's everyone. He's the...
01:47:34
werthersoriginal
It's pretty obvious.
01:47:34
Dick VanMeat
Who are these kids?
01:47:34
DeeBo
I
01:47:36
werthersoriginal
Old flat top, baby.
01:47:38
Dick VanMeat
Who are these fucking kids?
01:47:38
DeeBo
but i don't know, but I only care about one of them.
01:47:43
werthersoriginal
Flat top.
01:47:44
DeeBo
Flat top, dude. Hell yeah, kid.
01:47:48
werthersoriginal
That kid's going to great. Alright, I'm excited.
01:47:52
DeeBo
No, it's going to be good.
01:47:54
Steve-O
Get him, Flattop.
01:47:54
Dick VanMeat
Now, now I'm excited.
01:47:54
DeeBo
i'm and I'm glad we have dates, though.
01:47:56
werthersoriginal
a kid That kid looks cool.
01:47:56
DeeBo
i but Yeah, I'm glad that they finally got around to telling us what this fucking show is going to go about.
01:48:01
werthersoriginal
Fat Kyle. He's got that flat haircut, man.
01:48:03
Steve-O
Okay.
01:48:04
DeeBo
Fat Kyle, dude? Is that his name?
01:48:06
werthersoriginal
Yeah, I guess. don't know.
01:48:07
DeeBo
Shit. ah God damn, dude. ah You know what, dude? i'm not going to lie. I watched the Happy Gilmore 2 trailer.
01:48:18
DeeBo
I liked the Happy Gilmore 2 trailer.
01:48:20
Dick VanMeat
I don't watch the trailer yet, but I do want to watch it.
01:48:21
DeeBo
I'll say it. I'm strong.
01:48:24
werthersoriginal
Netflix is it's coming out with some some big movies. You know, like that Frankenstein movie is probably going to be pretty great.
01:48:29
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:48:32
werthersoriginal
I got to believe that. And this is probably going to bring a lot of people to Netflix that want to watch Happy Gilmore because that's super popular still. So make good moves.
01:48:45
DeeBo
Yeah. You know what? I feel like a dum-dum. When is Frankenstein coming out?
01:48:51
werthersoriginal
It's got to be this year, right?
01:48:52
DeeBo
Yeah, I hope so.
01:48:55
DeeBo
November. Okay. Okay. All right. November.
01:48:59
werthersoriginal
What I'm a little soft and on, I actually watched, was the Good Fortune trailer.
01:48:59
DeeBo
No official date.
01:49:05
DeeBo
The, uh, it said that's the Aziz.
01:49:05
werthersoriginal
That doesn't...
01:49:09
Dick VanMeat
Who directed that one?
01:49:09
werthersoriginal
Yes. Aziz Ansari.
01:49:10
DeeBo
Aziz, I think. Yeah. He wrote and directed this one.
01:49:14
Dick VanMeat
Thought he got cancelled.
01:49:14
DeeBo
It's basically, well, I mean,
01:49:16
werthersoriginal
Actually, this was a script that he was going to make.
01:49:18
Dick VanMeat
He got cancelled for going on a bad date.
01:49:20
DeeBo
yeah
01:49:20
werthersoriginal
Yeah, right? That's a ridiculous.
01:49:22
Dick VanMeat
By an anonymous person.
01:49:24
werthersoriginal
he He was going to make this, I believe, before the allegations came.
01:49:27
Dick VanMeat
Before that shit came out. and that Allegation.
01:49:28
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:49:28
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
01:49:29
Dick VanMeat
like it's Come on. It was like so ah so ridiculous.
01:49:31
werthersoriginal
I know.
01:49:33
DeeBo
You know what sucked?
01:49:33
Dick VanMeat
That whole thing.
01:49:33
DeeBo
I feel like it broke him a little bit. like Why wouldn't it, right? Why wouldn't that mess with you?
01:49:38
werthersoriginal
Right.
01:49:39
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
01:49:40
DeeBo
like his His stand-up he did like after that was weird.
01:49:41
werthersoriginal
Understandable.
01:49:46
DeeBo
like I did not... was not a fan. i was like, this is just an odd, man.
01:49:50
werthersoriginal
think he kind of addressed it too much.
01:49:50
DeeBo
But... Yeah, he was like, the old disease is dead. And I was like, I don't think the old disease was really a problem, but... Shit, man, that sucks.
01:50:02
DeeBo
I hope you do. And hey, he's directing a movie. You know, how canceled can he be, right? The cast is sick, though. You know, Kiki Palmer, Keanu Reeves, Seth Rogen.
01:50:10
werthersoriginal
it just It just seems like Michael again.
01:50:13
DeeBo
wouldn You know, there some Michael fans, Chris.
01:50:14
Steve-O
Dude.
01:50:16
DeeBo
Chris, maybe someone's like Michael, okay?
01:50:18
werthersoriginal
i know! you Michael's not a bad movie!
01:50:20
Dick VanMeat
Wait, where's mike was michael but michael the was Michael the movie where...
01:50:21
Steve-O
Man, fuck Michael, man. Team Powder.
01:50:25
Dick VanMeat
was it was that the movie Was that the movie where he put the salt on the ketchup?
01:50:26
DeeBo
It's John Travolta.
01:50:30
werthersoriginal
Yes.
01:50:30
Dick VanMeat
And on his french fries?
01:50:30
Steve-O
Yes.
01:50:31
werthersoriginal
Battle!
01:50:32
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
01:50:32
DeeBo
yeah
01:50:33
werthersoriginal
And he fought eve ran into that bull.
01:50:35
DeeBo
I've never seen Michael, to be fair.
01:50:37
werthersoriginal
Really?
01:50:37
Dick VanMeat
What?
01:50:37
werthersoriginal
Really?
01:50:37
DeeBo
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:50:38
Steve-O
Dude.
01:50:39
Dick VanMeat
You can't get mad at him! You can't get mad at Chris!
01:50:40
werthersoriginal
you know you know You know what Michael said? He said that in the movie, he always invents. He said, I invented that. He said he invented the line. He said that everybody was just milling around before he came along.
01:50:49
DeeBo
Oh, dude.
01:50:53
werthersoriginal
and He's like, let's get in the line. and That's
01:50:55
DeeBo
You know what?
01:50:55
Steve-O
Michael.
01:50:57
DeeBo
i don't I don't like that, dude. I don't like Michael. oh Michael sucks.
01:50:59
Steve-O
know what? Maybe I should show you powder.
01:51:01
DeeBo
a Bad call by Michael.
01:51:04
werthersoriginal
Powders.
01:51:04
DeeBo
You know what? People say powder's better.
01:51:07
werthersoriginal
Powder is an experience.
01:51:07
DeeBo
It's not.
01:51:09
werthersoriginal
It's an experience. That kid's so white, Devin. He's so white.
01:51:12
Steve-O
so white, Devin.
01:51:13
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:51:15
werthersoriginal
Come on.
01:51:15
DeeBo
I know. I know he's white, guys. I know he's white.
01:51:19
werthersoriginal
God. don't think he get it, though.
01:51:19
Steve-O
Boyd, like powder.
01:51:21
DeeBo
Goddamn. Let's see. Blackfoot trailer. Peacemaker trailer teaser, which was a few weeks ago.
01:51:26
Dick VanMeat
he
01:51:29
DeeBo
But good, man.
01:51:29
werthersoriginal
Yeah, it looks good.
01:51:30
Steve-O
hu
01:51:32
werthersoriginal
Looks funny as fuck.
01:51:32
DeeBo
Yeah, there wasn't a ton that like blew my brains. with the exception I really do think... Did we all see the Frankenstein trailer?
01:51:40
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
01:51:40
Steve-O
Yes.
01:51:41
DeeBo
it I think it really does look good.
01:51:43
werthersoriginal
Yeah, yeah.
01:51:43
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:51:44
werthersoriginal
Like, I have high expectations for that.
01:51:46
DeeBo
Actually, quick question, because John, I think you're the only one who actually watched this. I thought Dexter died.
01:51:55
DeeBo
I didn't realize...
01:51:55
Dick VanMeat
yeah he did
01:51:56
DeeBo
but so But there's a new show called Dexter Resurrection.
01:51:56
Dick VanMeat
At the very end?
01:51:59
Dick VanMeat
His... His fucking son shoots him and kills him.
01:52:03
DeeBo
Well, apparently he's not dead because now he's in L.A.
01:52:04
Dick VanMeat
At the end. Spoilers.
01:52:05
DeeBo
or something.
01:52:07
Steve-O
It opens up with him in the hospital.
01:52:07
Dick VanMeat
Oh, man. Now gotta...
01:52:08
DeeBo
Wait, wait, wait. Is it we need to talk about Dexter's son? Is that the name?
01:52:12
werthersoriginal
yeah
01:52:13
Dick VanMeat
don't Is it actually Michael C.
01:52:13
DeeBo
but
01:52:15
Dick VanMeat
Hall, too?
01:52:15
Steve-O
No, I mean, like, if you watch the trailer, it's literally him waking up in a hospital bed.
01:52:16
DeeBo
ah it's Yeah, it's called Dexter Resurrection. Yeah.
01:52:20
Dick VanMeat
Oh, maybe he didn't die, then.
01:52:21
werthersoriginal
yeah
01:52:21
Dick VanMeat
I guess.
01:52:22
werthersoriginal
ah Wait, where did he get shot?
01:52:25
werthersoriginal
Like in the body?
01:52:25
Dick VanMeat
In, like, the woods.
01:52:25
DeeBo
It looks like...
01:52:26
werthersoriginal
No, no, i like in his body.
01:52:27
Dick VanMeat
um no um I thought it was like in the chest.
01:52:28
werthersoriginal
On his body.
01:52:31
DeeBo
Yeah, well, dude, he's he's got a bandage on his chest and he wakes up.
01:52:31
Dick VanMeat
Pretty sure.
01:52:32
werthersoriginal
Okay. Okay.
01:52:36
werthersoriginal
Okay.
01:52:36
Dick VanMeat
Yo, Uma Thurman's in it though? I'm in.
01:52:38
DeeBo
yeah I'm not going to lie, though.
01:52:38
werthersoriginal
um and
01:52:38
Dick VanMeat
Sorry.
01:52:39
DeeBo
I'm not gonna lie.
01:52:40
Dick VanMeat
She's a main character. That you don't like Uma Thurman?
01:52:41
DeeBo
I kind of feel bad that like this is michael this is the only thing Michael Seahawks has left right now. He's like, fine, I'll do another one.
01:52:48
Dick VanMeat
Dude, he i'll yeah I'll stand by it. I always thought i always thought he would have made an amazing Matt Murdock in his prime.
01:52:52
Steve-O
I agree 1000%.
01:52:52
werthersoriginal
Yeah. but Yeah, you're absolutely right.
01:52:55
Steve-O
He was 10 years too early.
01:52:55
Dick VanMeat
And they really should have done it too early, man.
01:52:58
DeeBo
Man.
01:52:58
Dick VanMeat
He would have been the best Matt Murdock, I think.
01:53:00
werthersoriginal
They gave it to Ben Affleck instead. And thankfully, because that movie was dog shit.
01:53:03
Dick VanMeat
Ugh.
01:53:05
werthersoriginal
If he would have been in that as Daredevil, you never would have
01:53:06
Dick VanMeat
Yeah.
TV Series Discussions and Reboots
01:53:08
werthersoriginal
saw him again.
01:53:08
DeeBo
yeah well yeah apparently it's like he just like hangs out with a bunch of serial killers yeah like well yeah uh the cast is good dude the cast is really good yeah yeah but wait is he
01:53:14
Steve-O
like IRL?
01:53:16
werthersoriginal
Who wouldn't?
01:53:18
Steve-O
Michael C.
01:53:19
Dick VanMeat
Oh, his son is bad.
01:53:19
Steve-O
Hall, make better friends.
01:53:20
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, Neil Patrick Harris, Kristen Ritter,
01:53:22
Steve-O
Yeah, Peter Dinklage.
01:53:25
Dick VanMeat
Wait, Trinity? Why is Trinity in here? There's gotta be a flashback. I'm looking at the Wikipedia of the cast of Dexter Resurrection.
01:53:32
DeeBo
oh
01:53:35
DeeBo
Yeah, Trillity's pretty definitive.
01:53:35
werthersoriginal
You gotta throw...
01:53:35
Dick VanMeat
Oh, it's on Paramount+. plus Paramount+, plus is dope, dude.
01:53:39
DeeBo
Okay.
01:53:39
Dick VanMeat
You guys should get on it. Dude, that's how I watch all the Mission Impossibles.
01:53:43
DeeBo
Shit.
01:53:43
Dick VanMeat
They're all on there.
01:53:44
werthersoriginal
Hmm.
01:53:45
Steve-O
I mean, those do have those big intros where he's climbing mountains.
01:53:45
DeeBo
Alright.
01:53:48
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:53:49
werthersoriginal
so Oh man, that's Paramount+.
01:53:49
Dick VanMeat
yeah.
01:53:50
werthersoriginal
plus It's like jam.
01:53:50
Steve-O
Down, down, down, down,
01:53:53
werthersoriginal
got a big mountain in your movie?
01:53:53
Steve-O
um bo boun bubo bound down down
01:53:53
Dick VanMeat
It's not TV.
01:53:53
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:53:55
Dick VanMeat
it's Paramount+.
01:53:55
werthersoriginal
you could
01:53:55
DeeBo
I just... it Wait, John, how is how old is Dexter's kid?
01:53:55
Dick VanMeat
plus
01:53:56
werthersoriginal
You got a big mountain in your movie?
01:53:56
Steve-O
yeah
01:54:01
Dick VanMeat
He's a full-blown adult now.
01:54:01
DeeBo
By the time he shoots him? Really?
01:54:03
Dick VanMeat
Let me find the scene where Harrison shoots Dexter and we can watch it together.
01:54:03
DeeBo
Sorry.
01:54:07
DeeBo
God. We can all just hold hands and watch it.
01:54:10
Steve-O
and just hold hands
01:54:12
werthersoriginal
Was that at the end of his show?
01:54:14
Dick VanMeat
Very end of this, of the that new season that they did.
01:54:16
DeeBo
of Of when he like, he was hiding in the fucking Canada or something.
01:54:18
Steve-O
of young deter
01:54:18
werthersoriginal
season. Young Dexter.
01:54:19
Dick VanMeat
Yeah, young Dexter, yeah.
01:54:23
DeeBo
Dude.
01:54:23
werthersoriginal
That's pretty much what it is.
01:54:26
DeeBo
Heresies.
01:54:26
werthersoriginal
Well, we got we got Dexter coming back, guys. I hope you're happy. hope you're ready. um
01:54:31
Steve-O
Got King of the Hill coming back.
01:54:32
werthersoriginal
King of the Hill, same character, practically. Yeah.
01:54:35
DeeBo
Wait, he's just older, right? He looks like...
01:54:37
Steve-O
Okay, so this takes place eight years after the original series, and they released the new credit sequence, which actually kind of weirdly, if you like kind of slow it down and you watch, it tells you the story of kind of what happens.
01:54:53
Steve-O
So...
01:54:53
werthersoriginal
Oh wow, it does.
01:54:54
Steve-O
Yeah, it's like the family moves out um and then it I don't know what happens, but it looks like Bill gets COVID and just never comes back to like the group waiting outside.
01:54:54
werthersoriginal
They go to Japan too.
01:55:06
werthersoriginal
Whoa.
01:55:07
Steve-O
And it looks like because it's like ah somebody moves into the house, so they hang out with like one of the new neighbors. And then ah Dale like doesn't wear his mask properly.
01:55:18
Steve-O
And then he runs for like governor or something. It looks like.
01:55:22
werthersoriginal
Yeah, Gribble.
01:55:23
Steve-O
Which like kind of makes sense for that character who was like this like crazy like conspiracy theorist. And it's like in modern day, like the shit he was saying probably would be taken as gospel rather than nonsense.
01:55:34
werthersoriginal
Yeah, it says mayor.
01:55:35
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:55:36
werthersoriginal
He ran for mayor.
01:55:38
Steve-O
And so it looks like the family moves back. so i'm like I'm like, you know, I wasn't really the biggest King of the Hill fan, but like maybe now that I'm almost 40... you know almost forty
01:55:47
werthersoriginal
i gotta admit something.
01:55:49
Steve-O
yeah
01:55:50
werthersoriginal
There's two moments in King of the Hill that had me like I was dying. Like I was laughing so hard I was crying.
01:55:55
Dick VanMeat
Thank you.
01:55:57
werthersoriginal
The one is um not Dale. The one that can't boom. How are boom? How are gets stuck on a tube? And he goes, and like, he gets all the way, all the way to Dallas.
01:56:10
werthersoriginal
Like, he's paranoid.
01:56:10
Steve-O
yeah
01:56:11
werthersoriginal
And he's like, he can't get back. And he's like, man, I don't know where was, man.
01:56:16
Steve-O
yeah yeah
01:56:17
werthersoriginal
And he's like, horribly sunburned. Because he's just been on the tube the whole time. That's so funny.
01:56:23
DeeBo
<unk>
01:56:26
werthersoriginal
And then the other one was when um they go to Korea. And they see that the father had a ah secret family in Korea. And there's like a Korean man that looks exactly like Hank Hill.
01:56:36
Steve-O
Oh.
01:56:41
Steve-O
ah my god.
01:56:41
werthersoriginal
Like, he's like, wait!
01:56:41
DeeBo
laughter
01:56:43
Steve-O
Oh my god.
01:56:44
werthersoriginal
And he speaks like a but in Korean, like, it's like, girl.
01:56:47
Steve-O
Yeah, I forgot. I forgot. Because it was like Hank's like dad was like this like old, wrinkled up man.
01:56:51
werthersoriginal
Yeah.
01:56:54
werthersoriginal
No knees.
01:56:55
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:56:56
werthersoriginal
He lost his knees in the war.
01:57:00
Steve-O
I think at some point, like he has a secret family and it's like revealed to him that like he has a brother who is a baby who they call G.H., which stands for Good Hank.
01:57:09
werthersoriginal
Yes.
01:57:12
werthersoriginal
Good Hank.
01:57:13
Steve-O
Good Hank.
01:57:13
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:57:13
werthersoriginal
That's right.
01:57:17
Steve-O
That's fucked up. Anyway, I just i think that's neat that, you know, and that's.
01:57:20
werthersoriginal
Dude.
01:57:21
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:57:21
werthersoriginal
Also, when they find out that Hank doesn't have a butt, that made me laugh really hard, too.
01:57:25
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:57:26
werthersoriginal
It's just his back and and there's a crack in it. That's it. That show is funny. I forget how funny that was.
01:57:33
Steve-O
I feel like at at the time i was like, oh, du you should be doing you some butthead or whatever. But, you know, now I'm looking back. I'm like, you know.
01:57:41
DeeBo
Dude, I feel like they've tried to do Beavs and Bindad like four times.
01:57:45
DeeBo
Like they've tried. It just, I don't know.
01:57:45
Steve-O
It's just.
01:57:46
Steve-O
There's not much content beyond what they already did back in the day.
01:57:49
werthersoriginal
yeah It's not a very substantial thing.
01:57:52
Steve-O
no
01:57:52
DeeBo
Like, because it's like you can't do it with like YouTube. Like you can't just like update the the the concept of the show. Because it's like they watch music videos and like now it'd be like, oh, they just watch YouTube.
01:58:06
DeeBo
But like you can't really do that.
01:58:07
werthersoriginal
Well, they did do that, actually, in that and the reboot.
01:58:08
Steve-O
They did, yeah.
01:58:08
DeeBo
Yeah, but like it's not going to work because you can't watch anything good because people are but like, that's my YouTube channel.
01:58:09
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:58:11
werthersoriginal
It didn't.
01:58:16
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:58:16
DeeBo
Like, I don't know. It's just. the
01:58:18
werthersoriginal
See, the cool thing was that nobody was talking about music videos like that at the time.
01:58:22
DeeBo
Yeah, you know, and.
01:58:23
werthersoriginal
And the only the other thing is when you do videos, everybody has a reaction to YouTube videos. So it's not anything, it's on a new thing. It's not, they're not doing anything original.
01:58:33
Steve-O
Yeah.
01:58:36
werthersoriginal
And that sucks.
01:58:38
werthersoriginal
But hey, King of the Hill is funny. I would, I'm going to check this out.
01:58:38
DeeBo
Yeah.
01:58:41
DeeBo
Yeah. Dude, Boomhauer got stuck in that tube.
01:58:44
werthersoriginal
Yo, dude, this is so funny. he's like horribly sunburned. He can barely walk.
01:58:53
werthersoriginal
And he's just like mumbling and and people are like walking around him in Dallas.
01:58:59
Steve-O
That's funny.
01:59:00
werthersoriginal
It's so funny. Wow.
Summer Games Fest Announcements
01:59:03
werthersoriginal
um Is that everything?
01:59:05
DeeBo
I think that's pretty much everything. I mean, yeah, a baby.
01:59:09
werthersoriginal
Wrap this up at two hours on the dot, man.
01:59:11
Steve-O
On the dot.
01:59:13
werthersoriginal
It's coming. we We have 45 seconds.
01:59:16
DeeBo
oh hu okay.
01:59:17
Steve-O
All right. Final 45 second statement.
01:59:18
DeeBo
ah Summer Games Fest Bloodborne remake confirmed. Okay.
01:59:25
werthersoriginal
ah ah Summer Games Fest Night Rain Apology confirmed.
01:59:30
DeeBo
Okay.
01:59:31
Steve-O
Summer Games Fest, Mario is confirmed to be real.
01:59:36
DeeBo
Makes sense.
01:59:36
Steve-O
Confirmed.
01:59:36
DeeBo
Makes sense.
01:59:38
werthersoriginal
Summer Games Fest confirmed Mario's serving time with Luigi.
01:59:42
Dick VanMeat
Hmm.
01:59:43
DeeBo
Oh, okay. ah Summer Games Fest ah Wolverine game announced to be canceled.
01:59:53
werthersoriginal
Summer Games Fest Wolverine game re-uncancelled made hotter.
01:59:58
DeeBo
Oh, shit.
02:00:00
Dick VanMeat
so