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OPE S2 Episode 62 Top 5 Historical Events with Tom Grossi
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! This week we are joined by the one the only, the NFL Fan of the Year, Mr. 30 for 30 Tom Grossi!!!!!! The 3 of us continue our offseason of Top 5's with our top 5 historical events/eras. Be sure to subscribe and drop us a like! also be sure to check out our merch store at ohanapackers.org/store!
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Introduction of Tom Grossi
00:00:24
Speaker
you Aloha and welcome to another episode of the Hana Packer's edition podcast. The podcast where two dudes are joined by Tom Grossi today. oh I can't even say bright and early today for me because it is not bright yet, but Tom, thank you for joining us today on today's show. We appreciate you like we were just discussing before we hopped on, finding the time literally finding the time this week to join us today. Tom Grossi, everyone, welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us.
00:00:57
Speaker
Thanks so much for having me. I love it too. Cause like we had to plan across three different time zones and we're like, okay, so it's this time for this. All right. So I'm on the East coast. we Okay. Yep. We're just moving on. So now I'm glad that we were able to make this work. All right. So I'm going to start now.
Humorous Titles and Public Perception
00:01:11
Speaker
I know when it comes to like royalty, it's, you know, your Royal Highness and then it's your majesty after that. So with you, is it? NFL fan of the year first and then Mr. 3430 after that or? I'm Tom. so yeah
00:01:30
Speaker
That's the it's so funny because like that's the probably most consistent comment I get like whether there was 30 and 30 and doing the fan events or like now it was the international stadium tour or just like going out and like meeting fans like randomly on the street and they're just like you're just a guy I'm like I know that's what I keep telling everybody like I'm a dude man that like loves the Packers and loves football so yeah no we don't we don't gotta have any titles here Tom is great No, um but you know, obviously the two the two main guys that you always try to get on a podcast is Andy Herman and of course yourself. And so I knew even back when I started this whole thing with Nick, you know, like three years ago, it was like, okay, well, we're going to try to get the Andy on. We're going to try to get Tom on. We somehow managed to get Wes hot quits on before we got any of those on. so
00:02:27
Speaker
Yeah, Wes Hadkowitz, legend, legend. We all know Wes has an off-season. We all know Wes has an off-season where he's like, what am I going to do today? Well, I always joke with people. I had to stalk Wes at Lambo just to get him on.
00:02:45
Speaker
you're like I was appearing outside his home. I was scratching on his window every night, just throwing pebbles. Please don't find us, FBI. Well, it what it was is I was actually at Lambo during ah OTAs last year and I was waiting for a buddy of mine and Wes just happened to be coming out of the, out of the offices and down the escalator and all that. So I was like, all right, here's my shot. So there you go. Hey, listen, you shot your shot and it worked. hey And like, like I told you before we recorded, I am one of the most persistent assholes you're ever going to want to meet. So
00:03:18
Speaker
but That's it. Persistency, baby. Persistency. So, all right, Mike, I think we got a pretty good show going on.
Packers News and Historical Moments
00:03:26
Speaker
We're going to continue with our top fives since the Packers are not going to give us any kind of news at the moment, whether it be a Jordan Love extension, a Kenny Clark extension, you know, any of that stuff. We've got to come up with our own content for this stuff. Um, since I've been the one pretty much picking the top fives, uh, I decided since Tom's got a ah background in history, we're going to go with our top five.
00:03:55
Speaker
ah kind of a mix of historical moments historical time period things um so actually Tom picked that one I was gonna go with he wanted to go with the time period so he is the just the vent you know it's aen time filter i feel like it is a little bit hard successful yeah Like the 2010 Packer Super Bowl win. That's an event. yeah like I think that's pretty historical. Like it counts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I can say with a good certainty that the three of us were probably in our adulthoods when that one happened. So, you know, yeah I was in college. I'm in college. I well, damn, I'm even older than you, Tom. I didn't think I was that much shorter than.
00:04:39
Speaker
I know I look so much worse, significantly worse. This is the face of an aged man. Well, see, you never know because, you know, Mike's 400 years old and you would never know that, but it's the Japanese part of him that makes him look a lot younger than he actually is. It's that age range between 20 and 70 where it all gets lost. to it's it's It could be anything. It could just be like, actually, no, I'm 54. No, I'm 21. It just depends on what kind of skincare product, if you've got the good hair genes.
Tom's Passion for History and Writing
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ah that moisture
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But so with this show, ah like I said, historical time periods, historical moments, whatever ah goes with that, we have been kind of throwing some honorable mentions out to start with. So if I don't I will preference with this. I'm a big historical guy. There was only two subjects that I was good at in any kind of school, whether it be college, high school, whatever was writing and history. You're a humanities guy. That's it. Yeah. It's, ah it's usually like English lit and that it's history. And then it's like math science. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So I mean, there's so many of them in my head that I had a hard time coming up with just five spots. That's why I was kind of hoping for historical figures. Cause I can usually narrow those guys down to, okay, well I read everything about this, this, and this, but you had to give me the generalize and it's like, okay, what do I whittle it down to?
00:06:12
Speaker
So I'm not going to give any honorable mentions because we'd probably be here for another two hours if I were to do that. Could be the list of 25 like the dawn of man coming in at number 25 for an honorable mention. So ah if you guys got any honorable mentions before we get into our list, you know, go ahead and throw them out. So I'll let you guys have the floor for that one. but I got a concise five. Okay. I got I I did so I will say I Understand how difficult that is when I taught AP euro. I actually brought in March Madness into it So by the end because the AP is always in May. Yeah, so
00:06:50
Speaker
In March when March Madness is going on what I have them do at the very end of the year is I have a 64 person bracket and we like have the class pick the 64 most influential people and it's up for them like and they debate you know who the top 64 are and then we put them up all on the list and then they have to decide who's the most influential person so they go through the entire course all over again and they can justify okay this is why this person's more influential etc etc and there's no wrong answer, right? It's like, as long as you could justify it. So yeah, no, this is bringing me back. This is, is well, that's what I was hoping for it. Cause we try to fit in with any kind of our guests. And I, I, I did know that you were a history teacher at one point. So it was like, okay, well this, this a fitpot this will fit perfect. So Mike, do you got any honorable mentions you want to throw out there or do you rage on the year five?
00:07:46
Speaker
Nah, you know what? Let's just let Tom lead it off. Let's let the guests lead it off. Mike's like the creation of time zones. Not on there for me. No, that's it's not. Mike is probably flying by the seat of his pants like he does every other top five that we do. So we're good on that one. I can either confirm nor deny. Also, what is a list right now? My brain is I don't even ask me what times what time you are at right now. yeah i you made i feel you i was I'm to turn into the greatest podcast host of all time because I'm just going to start turning it over to you to every moment I can. Mike is just like a really great listener. like He just keeps like pushing it up. Why does he look so upset the whole time now? Actually, I'm kind of scared right now because I usually have to tell Mike to shut the hell up so I can get a word in wise. So this is kind of weird for me.
00:08:42
Speaker
the private chat is just the dynamics of change the private chat is just constant reminders mic stop mic mic pause okay now let's let's bring it back Or I would have to literally stop the recording and say, Mike, that's what I'm going to pause. Yeah. yeah you But that's how you know you have a good show. Yeah. Yeah. Mike, you're already on number two. I haven't even given my number five. He was like, we're just getting through this list. We're getting through. So all right. Since he's going to bypass that, let's go ahead and start jumping in our top five. Um, I will say with my list, it's not going to be in any order. So I'm just going to go randomly with that. So.
Impact of Mass Education and Literacy
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Tom, why don't you give us your number five event? All right. So it's funny because this actually came up yesterday during Friday night Q and&A when I was live 12 hours ago. and And it's the end of the 1800s. I'm talking specifically about Western Europe, but there's like this mass education, like mass like literacy increase that like creates kind of like modern day society in terms of All these different countries are connected now and people are reading newspapers that are not just about like their cities anymore or even their countries. It's not what's going on in other countries. So I usually just talk about like the mass modernization of like the late 1800s. There's different names for it, but I like that one when I explain it. um So yeah, I think that that one's a big one just because then you're going to start to get like world politics that
00:10:18
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regular everyday folks are going to be aware of and it's going to influence elections, it's going to influence like education, which is going to be huge. So yeah, mass education, mass literacy, end of 1800s. And then it pisses off a bunch of people because then immediately you get the world war and all that stuff. So yeah. oh yeah but just like So glad I can read about this now. No, that's a good time period. um ah It's, it's amazing to see where time goes, you know, because the United States is still kind of just coming out of that old West, you know, kind of lifestyle and they're moving into more, I don't want to say like a modernization because they, you know, they have the technology and stuff like that, but it's now starting to spread throughout the continent. um You know, Europe is,
00:11:09
Speaker
you know, everybody should know if they don't already that the United States has been around just a short amount of time compared to the rest, and maybe the rest of the world. So to get that kind of spread everywhere, and then all the stuff from Europe coming over is great. And, you know, it kind of throws in with what I like to do as a hobby, I love to do gene genealogy stuff. um And my dad's grandmother and grandfather were like first generation from Sweden and they were still getting like newspapers in that from Sweden and communications. So that kind of fits in with what you're talking about in that modernization so and that. So um yeah, that's a solid that's a solid one to go.
00:11:58
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Solid five one. It's a solid five. Mike, what what do you got? Are you just going to bypass this one? Yes, I'm bypassing. Go. I plead the fifth. The accretion of the amendment. started
00:12:16
Speaker
So. Yeah, I'll go ahead. Yeah. My, my, my still, Mike's still out of it. I can see it on his face. So I kind of split my list up a little bit in some time period stuff, but I also did some like event stuff. Um, got it. So the first group that I'm going to do, and I kind of cheated on these two, cause there's, I've got duos on it. Um, but as some people might know, my birthday was just Thursday, July 11th. How do you believe? um So I thank you very much. I do. I did want to kind of go with that. And unfortunately, I was born on a day that really didn't have a ton of historical events or people that was born on it. ah So and that's been my bane of existence ah forever. And but there are a couple of things that were
00:13:11
Speaker
big time news and Vince and you know, people should know about him just based on recent, uh, things and, uh, uh, like shows and that, but the first one of it is in 1914, Babe Ruth made his major league debut and he pitched for the red Sox to four, three victory over the Cleveland team. I think they were the Indians at that point. They could have not been. I know they went through like 300 different name changes before they landed on the Indians, but, and then the other one is even bigger just due to Lynn, uh, more Lynn, Manuel Miranda. And that was in 1804 was the duel between Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. And Hamilton died the next day, but the duel and that all happened on July 11th, 1804.
00:14:03
Speaker
so That's the only prominence on my birthday as far as I can tell. I thought you're going to pull a swear and be like, nothing happened on my birthday. So my birth, that's number five. You know that is the historic you have to look clear back almost 110 years ago before you get any major event. happened on July 11th. So yeah, I said it's your birth. Exactly. it So now it's important. And, and we're good. We're good. But yeah, look I decided to pull those just as, uh, and I got a couple of those on my list, but Tom, you might know the term a little bit more, do the wrestling, but I'm getting the cheap pop out of this stuff. So
00:14:42
Speaker
you got the cheap up i got it i got it a i got it that's my iowa how we doing a night that's it it's it's all good you gotta do it and um mike i got two Unlike Joe, my birthday date actually had my birthday i should say it actually has a few moments of prominence on it, but I'll go with one for the Americas. and On March 23rd, 1775, one Patrick Henry delivered his Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death speech at St. John's Episcopal.
00:15:14
Speaker
and and of I cannot claim that something that is, oh shit, hold on, 215 years before my birth date. Okay, I can still math at five, what the what the fuck time is it right now? 550 in the morning with my brain still half asleep and trying not to wake the neighbors, but 215 years before I was born. I guess something important happened on and on the day that I would be born later. So um yeah, that's probably the biggest one in terms of America. has I mean, you run the gamut of a whole bunch of other things. Running up till most recently in 2021, that's when that container ship ran aground in the Suez Canal.
00:16:04
Speaker
heard We're sitting there. I do remember sitting there three years ago on my birthday as it's like open up Twitter the balloons go by and then I was like but the what's What's this video? here But but I'll go with the John Henry thing it's I don't know the Suez Canal thing was news yeah oh i was forever or Patrick Henry not Yeah, that, that was for, uh, that was amazing. But I liked the Patrick Henry one a little bit more cause I remember in one of my college courses, uh, one of the history courses, the professor really hit home with it because this wasn't just like an idle statement. You know, he was meaning this. This was at a time that if they got captured, you know, they were going to get hung because they were traders. So he was literally saying, you know,
00:16:56
Speaker
in like modern terms, you know, bring it on bro, you know, just so it, uh, you know, I, I really liked that one. That one, that one's pretty good. I like it. It's all down here from here for me. So, Tom, I mean, Tom, please take it away with number four. I like how a mic is just like reading like the exact quote and it's like, and on this day, it's like, that's what I got. It's not in the history classes. I'm All right. I'm I'm going to cheat with this one because I have to put it on the list because it's my favorite time period. So like.
00:17:34
Speaker
I think it's very historical. I'll make the argument all day, but I'm going to throw out it at number four. um And it's post World War I, like cultural changes. yeah And that is for the States. That's for Europe. It's my favorite time period of all time. You have this, the war to end all wars, which is World War I, which is horrific. It's pointless by the end of it. People are like, wait, why is this thing started? Oh, because Gavrilo Princip shot this guy. Like, okay, why? So, and it just sets off this domino effect that has been building for years and years and years of just mobilization, just arming themselves. They talk about Maine, right? Nationalisms in there as well. And post-World War I, like there's the Lost Generation, right? You have like F. Scott Fitzgerald who's writing stuff, like that's where Gatsby's gonna start coming out. You have of course the Roaring Twenties, which happens afterwards. But you have such a shift
00:18:25
Speaker
of okay like what do we do now like we're never going to war again yeah it was horrific millions of people died right then you had the flu that comes in and kills even more people and there's just like nihilism which came out before that like that starts getting some headway you see the creation of jazz and music is no longer something you just listen to it's something you dance to art is kind of completely and totally changed and you have like dadaism that comes in and a urinal of like this is what art is now and so it's just like these really existential questions of like, okay, like love is dead. God is dead. Like all of these things are dead because why would he allow this to happen? Why would we, like, what do we have to strive for anymore? So I just really liked that time period and the art that comes up during that time period because I think it really reflects a worldwide and global trauma. And it's like how people are trying to work through that. and
00:19:20
Speaker
And there's some people are like, okay, like we got to go back to the good old days, right? like We want to go back to like religion. We got to go like to the basics. And there's some they're like, no, we got to do things completely different. And yeah, you have a lost generation that come down. It's kind of funny how things don't ever change when it comes to those things, you know? nope and No, um, but yeah, that's a good time period of Because yeah, like you said a lot of things started changing you got he started getting music. That wasn't the ballroom type Big symphony stuff. It was you know, these small little groups that were could go into a ah You know at that time it would be the speakeasy because that's when prohibition is really starting to yep ah take over and stuff like that so
00:20:04
Speaker
women's suffrage. yeah there's There's like so many things that come out of that. And it's just, it's a wild time period. Yeah. And you know, that's where we started getting some terms that because now people are starting to realize that there are mental health issues because that's when you start getting like shell shock, which ends up being PTSD at this time. Um, yep. And, and but how that's treated. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so it's amazing that that time period is amazing to just sit down and realize how much things jumped forward. And you know, it's always bad. You know, war is never good for anything.
00:20:49
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Except for technological advances because that's, you know, they always, everything bumps up after a war happens. Now, let me disclaim that. I'm not saying we need to go to war just to give better technology.
Joe's Old West History Interest
00:21:03
Speaker
Joe's like, I want a new iPhone. Let's so let's pick things up here. Joe wants the advancement on rightfully. He wants the best evolution on rightfully. I just want teleportation, guys. Come on. I'm tired of sitting in a car for eight hours. It's so valid. do You know, let let's get it where I can just hit a button and be there in 10 minutes.
00:21:23
Speaker
that's valid Um, but yeah, that's a good, that's a good time period. Uh, so with this next one of mine, I cheated again. That's kind of a dual thing. Um, I told you this was really hard for me. So I had to cheat on some stuff. good Um, and these are specific time periods, which are, I mean, specific dates, which leads to time periods that I enjoy reading about. um yeah the The two dates are July 14th, 1881 and April 26th, 1865. And the significance of them is the July 14th, 1881 is when Billy the Kid, and I even have it in brackets here, was allegedly killed. And then April 26th, 1865 is when John Wilkes Booth was allegedly killed. And the reason why I... and
00:22:16
Speaker
Growing up, I was a huge old west fan. I would read everything I could about the old west or the civil war or stuff like that. Sure. And as I got older, I'd start reading some of this stuff. It's like, well, you know, that doesn't make sense with this and that. Well, then that leads you down that whole rabbit hole of the conspiracies with it. And so the reason why I say allegedly is because, uh, you know, with Billy the Kid, there's two famous guys that went on to proclaim that they were Billy the Kid. And then there's one major um story of a guy proclaiming that he was John Wilkes Booth after they were supposedly killed. The two for Billy the Kid was John Miller and Brushy Bill Roberts. That Brushy Bill might
00:23:13
Speaker
ring true to somebody in like our age bracket that ever watched young guns too, because that was the whole story plot of young guns too. But you know, it was just an old guy that got into a, uh, got with a lawyer that just proclaimed that, you know, he was Billy the kid and you know, he would, he had all these stories and all that. Of course it's split 50 50, the, you know, 50% believe what Pat Garrett says. and 50 believe that, you know, hey, he did. I'm a staunch believer that Billy survived that night. I don't know if it was John Miller or Brushy Bill, but there's too many things in that storyline that I just, it's it's hard for me to believe. And then the same with the John bi Wilkes Booth thing. In that time period, it was so easy for people to get away.
00:24:10
Speaker
because they didn't have the technology like we do now where I can pop up my phone and I have an instant camera running somewhere some at some point and facial recognition and all this other stuff. and But the story with Booth is that Finas Bates was a lawyer. This guy was on his death. I thought he was dying. Finas went in there, talked to him, and this guy, David E. george er no His name was John St. Helens, claimed that he was John Wilkes Booth.
00:24:46
Speaker
he The guy that was killed was just an accomplice that had his had all the documents and all that on him because Booth had dropped him. The guy picked him up, got shot, and that's what happened. This John St. Helens would later recover and not actually die and disappeared. Well, then later on, oh this guy actually killed himself. He took strychnine poisoning. And when they found him, ah there was like a note proclaiming that he was Booth. Well, they called him Finest Bates. And because he had been known about ah this,
00:25:42
Speaker
And he goes, yeah, that's, that's John St. Helens. I know that guy anyway. And it would go on that he would travel the, and they embalmed him and the embalming and the strict nine missed together and mummified the body. And Finis Bates would later take that on the road as this is John Wilkes Booth. Now again, I don't know if I believe that's actually Booth, but I do believe it's possible that he could escape that night because again, there's a bunch of shady shit that went on that, you know, they kept it all secret. And, you know, whenever there's a secret, there's usually somebody hiding something. And, but a side note, finest Bates is actually Kathy Bates, his grandfather.
00:26:30
Speaker
That's a fun fact. The answers are on the back of the Declaration of Independence. Nicholas Cage knew it. He knew it. That's why they've never come out with National Treasure 3, because that's that's what it is. Lemon juice said an enough and that's all we need. But no I'm not going to say I'm a huge conspiracy nut. i just When I don't think something sounds right, I don't always take the official version for the the the facts. So that's why I dig into it. And I just sit there and I read and I read and I read and I read. Sure. So. But that's also like creates a passion for history. Yeah. I mean, like we when you learn history like in school, depending on the teacher, depending on the curriculum, depending on where you are, things are often painted with some pretty broad strokes. Right. And be like, OK, is this and this and this and this.
00:27:25
Speaker
And I find like the most interesting thing is like when you get like those random primary sources, or like I was talking about this last night, like the great Gatsby, right? You had to read it in school and all that great stuff. I was like, okay, it's fine. But it wasn't until I had a US history professor, like talk about post-World War I, talk about that trauma, and then read it in that context. And I was like, This is one of the greatest books like writing. Yeah. Right. So like it's those different things. And I think it's those individualized stories or what have you that really develop that passion because dude, like you could spend forever talking about John Wilkes. Yes. Yeah. yeah right Like just like one person in time and you could just go down a rabbit hole. And so, like, yeah, I think that stuff is fascinating. So, yeah, that it's just and like you said, it gives you that rabbit hole because now you want to explore the other stuff that
00:28:17
Speaker
that goes with it. And so i if i were to have a if I were to take all the books that I have about certain subjects, I'd probably have my own little library going on right now. saying All right, Mike, you got to wake up for this one. you We're on number four. All right, so to kind of dovetail what tom that comment Tom made about you know where you grew up kind of influencing the history that you learn and how you learn it in classes. So mine is going to be um Japanese internment in World War II, basically because you know we weren't necessarily the epicenter of it, but obviously the triggering event that caused internment you know to really be you know that cat
00:29:02
Speaker
that cat that fa hurt catalyst catalyt That was the catalyst for internment. Thank you, Tom. I got you. Let's go. It was December 7, 1941, Pearl Harbor. I brought it up when we did our Memorial Day episode. I'm full Japanese, or at least you know we have some fun inter-family jokes about that. But ah so far, as we can tell, I'm 100% Japanese. all four of my grandparents you know grew up you know on Oahu. And um out of the four of them, only one was inter you know one's family was interned during the war. My um my maternal grandmother, her family was interned um at for first at Camp Jerome and then at Tule Lake for pretty much the duration of World War II.
00:29:51
Speaker
um They were um identified because my great-grandfather was known as a Kibe Nisei, which means that yeah he was born in Hawaii, but he did go back to Japan to be raised and he did serve in the army. So you know he fell into one of those bins of light these are high-risk personnel who need to be identified and segregated really from the rest of society. and You know, it's one of those where yeah you study it in school. And like I said, in Hawaii, especially with the high Asian population density, you know, you get a different, you know you get a different version of history through, you know, through your teachers, especially if you have a you know a teacher who, you know, whether it's a um
00:30:35
Speaker
an Asian, you know, a teacher of asian it of Asian ethnicity, or you have one who is just so like, you know, we had but the yellow fever who just truly bought into the, I love Asian culture. I love Asian history. This is going to be my life's work. And it is my goal to pass on the information that I have gathered and stuff. And so, you know, So um you you delve into it, you know, from the outside looking in, it's like, you know, you, you know, I don't want to generalize it, but you fall into the two camps of this is a horribly wrong thing, or, hey, it's war, war is bad, and therefore you need to take measures that are, you know, and that's the viewpoint that kind of won out and why we had, you know, why it took 50 years for reparations to be made to these families and stuff, but
00:31:24
Speaker
you know So like I said, my my maternal grandmother's family fell into the camp of where it's like, hey, these people are potentially dangerous. you know We know that Pearl Harbor had you know people on the ground who helped set it up. How do we know that you know people like my great grandfather aren't also you know potentially in on this thing? And um you know i I do kind of look back and not that my grandmother would have necessarily known, but um you know you hear about like no-no boys and stuff and you kind of read it and you're like I do not blame anyone in my grandma's family for potentially falling into that. um After the war my grandma's oldest sister and my great grandparents like they renounced their citizenship went back to Japan because you know just the ultimate um you know the ultimate fallout of what had happened to them during the war where it's like
00:32:17
Speaker
no, like we told you we're you know we're Japanese Americans emphasis on the American side of it and you know there's a whole lot of other parts of my grandma's families his you know they did move to Peru at one point so my grandma is actually born in Peru so my grandma too went to went to her deathbed with dual American peruse citizenship. But, um you know, and it's just the contrast of like that one quarter of my heritage experienced the worst parts of American society where it's like they were outcast. And like I said, this is not to put their plight on the level of like slavery or any other minority that was wronged or anything like that. but just to know that like at some point someone in your family was looked at it and was viewed as like the ultimate enemy betrayer you know whatever label you want to put on it and even like the other my other three grandparents you know
00:33:15
Speaker
her like my mom my mom's dad, my paternal grandfather, he would end up serving. Obviously, he know he missed the thank goodness he missed the very end of World War II, but he was drafted into the army and you know he would serve to you know Operation Magic Carpet Ride. He was security detail on the ships that would bring troops home from the Pacific. And then I didn't get into this on our Memorial Day episode, but So ah my grandma's siblings who stayed, so my grandma, um her brother and her sister, they ended up getting taken in by some of the family who ended up staying, their other cousins and stuff. So I've got aunties and uncles who took care of my grandma and her siblings who stayed. and
00:33:55
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My uncle Richard, and he ended up, um he ended up enlisting in the army and served in Korea. So like, just within that family, you see like the total different ends of the spectrum. And like, yeah within the family dynamics, my aunt, the one who renounced her citizenship and now is like, you know, she's 90, she's going to turn 96 or 97 this year, I think she, you know, and like I said, I do not blame her at all. like Yeah, big grandma got a reparation, all that kind of stuff. But she goes, it's not enough. and you know And we're on the other end of it. you know My uncle Richard, before he passed away in the early 2000s, he's got his transcript of an interview he did for like you know a history recording service. And then my grandma, you know like I do look back on it, and I kind of wish that I had asked her more about it. But at the same time, I kind of looked at it as where
00:34:52
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you know compared to my auntie Sarah my grandma was very you know much more like at peace about it where she was just kind of like her answers were more like limited and basic to like, yeah, it was, it wasn't good. Like it was dusty, it sucked and all that kind of stuff. And so ah it just, and like I said, and the opposite side of that is I had three grandparents who grew up a quote unquote normal childhood, you know, in that, in that time period. So like, you know, my grand, my grand, those two grandparents, they're both born in 1927. So they grew up
00:35:27
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They're at the same age in life growing through World War II. And then my dad's side, my grandparents were born in 31 and 33, so they were younger. um But just to, you know, you like you said, Tom, history is written by the the winner and those that you're experiencing it, you know, in close proximity to. And so that moment in history, you know, like I said, yes And this isn't like a smear against the US or anything. like oh yes and the end of it At the end of it, my family be my family has lived the American dream. They came from another country, set their roots in, and they've got you know fourth, fifth generation now that have set their roots in and are you know looking forward to what this country can give
Mike's Family History and Japanese Internment
00:36:16
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them. But it's one of those moments where you can't downplay, you can't
00:36:23
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why what that moment was for America because it's that whole, you know, the way that I look for it, I look at it is like, it should be studied and it should be, you know, ingrained in everyone's, you know, historical um memory bank because it's something that, like, you know, we have the war, we grew up through the war on terror. It's still going on and stuff. And, you know, now the the whole Israel israel-Palestine um conflict. And it's like,
00:36:54
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You just can't repeat, you know, there's going to be another conflict just because that's what humans are. Like I said, look, the Israel and Palestine thing, it's like you have two sides who, um and I'm not even going to get into it, but you have two sides who are like, this is where we come from and we are going to fight tooth and nail for it. And because of that mentality, it's like, no matter what happens going forward, of course, the true reality is probably just going to nuke each other into green glowing blobs. But um we cannot repeat the internment of World War II. And if that is the what is gleaned from it in the future generations, you know that is the ultimate staying power of why it needs to be taught in history moving forward.
00:37:43
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I also, real quick, I love how you're like, oh, Tom, it's all downhill from here. And then you share this most personal and like poignant story. And you're just like, oh yeah, that's my number four. I'm just, i was beautiful I'm just bringing it out before, you know, um, we have a misfire in my, in my mental motor and it all really goes to shits after this. And I started bringing up like the invention of the telephone, but
00:38:13
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Yeah, number three is ah bread. I like bread is good. Wonder bread. um Wonder bread. It's amazing. But yeah, no like Tom said, that that's ah that's that should have been number one. I mean, I would think that would just... But now we're judging Mike on his order. He's just like, well, now... Hey, you got to listen to the show. I judge Mike on a lot of things. i But um this is also under the addition that I may have to skedaddle So I want to make sure that I didn't like keep pushing it off pushing it off and then oh shit I never brought up Japanese World War two internment And to your point point Mike we just don't learn from those things because World War one they had the internment of the of certain Germans too and And then yeah for them to do that and then jump into World War II and guess what they do? They're going to intern the Japanese. So, and in a way. Got the red scare after that. Like it's, you know what I mean? Yeah. And even now with, like you said, the war on terrorism, what were they doing with a lot of the Muslims and stuff like that? They were scared of them. They started sending a lot of them to Guantanamo. They, you know, they had those issues with it. So yeah, I mean,
00:39:27
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And it's, it's fascinating too, because a couple of things, and these are the kinds of things that you really push home. Like that wasn't that long ago. no Like we're, we're not taught, like people are still alive, right? Who like went through that. And I think that one, it's such a shame that it is really dependent in what we were just talking about on like the teacher you have, like where you're being taught about that, et cetera. Um, I think I always used to love to do with students. I was like, how do you think like the American revolution is taught? Like, in London. Like, how do you think, like, the difference is there? Because it's like, rawr, we did it! Bloody yanks, I'm grateful bastards. Two sentences. Son of a bitch! Two sentences. But, like, you just talked about... I was just watching a TikToker the other day from Britain that's a history teacher and he said, in the whole book there's two sentences.
00:40:19
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to the American Revolution. Bloody yikes. The frickin' T, man. um But it's it's generational trauma, but it's also like how that impacts family dynamics, right? Because some family members be like, no, like we're announcing this, like absolutely not. And then some are like, okay, like, nope, we're going to keep it going. And like how that, shape like that's the stuff that makes history real, in my opinion. Yeah. Right? Cause it's like, Oh no, like this, for example, one that I always talk about is World War II is often known as like the last good war, right? Which is the, which is, oh boy, like dive into World War II. who are we looking at for here? right But it's that idea that like there's the glorification afterwards. It's like, oh, okay, the winning side is in the right the entire time. And like let's just be very clear, Nazism very bad. Let's just get that out of the way, ah which we wouldn't have to say in 2024. But it's this idea that,
00:41:20
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as time goes on it's like oh we get further and further past it and it's like okay yeah it wasn't that bad right like oh it but no like there's significant events that have created so many issues and the one that i've talked about all the time is world war two vets coming home from this last good war and you if you were a black american soldier right like You didn't get access to the same home buying options. you did There was redlining. You didn't have all the help from the government that a lot of World War II vets got that started a lot of like these suburban households, like suburbia as a whole. And like that stuff is felt still today from policies that were made back then. And that's why a lot of them stayed in Europe. They stayed in Great Britain. They stayed in join in France.
00:42:05
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Not just during World War II, but in World War I, they would just stay over there because they were getting treated better over in those contexts. Folks had more rights! Yeah, it was it's nuts. No, my I appreciate you sharing that, man. cause like that's that yeah like That's what makes it real. right And you're just like, no, I can see it within my family. like You have this historical event happen, and what's the fallout from that? well tom you get to try to follow that one up yeah great thanks so much mike you're welcome damn all right so i'm just gonna keep it historical yeah i'm gonna combine two things because it kind of aids and it is around the same time uh the invention of the printing press which also kind of like falls in with the protestant reformation
00:42:52
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So you have like, of course, like the Middle Ages, which is going to be dominated by the Catholic Church in Western Europe. And as you see like this, this Protestant Reformation at Martin Luther, of course, 95 theses, all that great stuff, but more of literacy and how instead of going to the church for education or to get religion, you now can read it yourself.
Significance of the Printing Press
00:43:14
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And because of that, all of these splits occur. splits that are going to lead to like colonization from Western Europeans, like of this country. So I think it's a massive fallout because you start to see, even though it's not massive, this increase in literacy, which is eventually going to lead to things that we talked about at the late 1800s. It's going to take hundreds of years, but you're eventually going to have a more educated society because of just having the accessibility of books, because by before you're doing it by hand, yeah right? It is just like, all right, you're, you're a scribe. Have a nice day.
00:43:47
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And just even to get those folks, like you had to be literate. It had to be taught. It was a pretty significant job. And so now to have the printing press and just have that available, it's going to lead to not only changes within religion, but massive changes within society. too So nowhere near as good as mine. could she Could you imagine having that job before the printing press? You have to sit there and write out each book. And then if you made a mistake, you had to rip that whole freaking page. It's like, come on, man. Lashings. But imagine like even before that, because like scribes go back thousands of years, right? Like you're a man on a tablet and you're just like, oh, son of a bitch. I can't go there. Denzel wasn't blind in the book of Eli. He was just like, I'm not writing this fucker down. I'm going to learn to read Braille. Well, and that makes you like, I'm not getting carpal tunnel with this. It's not happening. That makes you think about them transcribing
00:44:46
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you know, religious documents. How many of them got changed just because somebody screwed something up and he didn't want to change it? Who couldn't read the calligrapher before then? What did Mark do over here? I can't. You know what? It's fine. I'm sure this won't be a problem. Or if the wind picks up and blows the pages in a different order. Oh, shit. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. There's supposed to be eight commandments. Well, shit, Harry. He just imagined the Pope reading the Bible one day that got blown out of order. and He's like, that sounded Old Testament. What's that doing in the New Testament? Oh, shit. Fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's good. Um, so my next one, I'm just gonna, uh,
00:45:33
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make it easy. I've already mentioned it. I love the Old West. So 1870s to the 1880s. You know, I always grew up with the stories of Jesse James and and and that because where I'm at now, I'm in like 20 minutes from the Missouri border. So you know that was the James' area. And matter of fact, about an hour away from me is, ah they still it's an old town, not very many people in it, but they still have a bank there that has a big old sign that Jesse James robbed this bank in 1870 something or 1860 something. So it just, I grew up with it.
00:46:18
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even, you know, there's stories from, like I said, doing genealogy that supposedly one of my family members was friends with, you know, you get that kind of stuff in there. So that's what when you're a kid, you hear those stories, you just sit there and okay. So there's a relation in there somewhere. So I'm just going to sit here and read and read and read and read. So a But, you know, I grew up on all the, and then of course the Westerns, you'd watch the Westerns on TV and you'd you'd see a name like, you know, Wyatt or Bat Masterson. So, oh, I want to go read about that. And, you know, that so that was my favorite time period.
00:46:58
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Hell yeah. I also can you imagine being a bank teller from the 1800s and seeing that now and just be like, you guys put up a sign, he robbed us. Like I was, I was trying to work. Well, I imagine that sign came up like a year after it happened because it was just like, it's not gonna be that long. If one of us got time traveled into the old west and you're like a bank teller and you're like, Oh, shit. you like no like you're like're tapping on ah you're tapping upneath the teller but the teller bench and they're like what are you doing and you're like
00:47:30
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the but it's not there to something here somebody could just sneeze and i would just open the bank bank fault okay yep that's your here you go no pro stop drop roll stop drop roll What denomination do you want those bills in? I'll do whatever you want. Please do not shoot me. I don't want to be amputated to live. du The West is so crazy too. like the just If you like dive in to just like the the individual stories and just how
00:48:02
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like people there was no communication or if there was like significantly limited where like then you have like people from the government are like all right i guess like we gotta go out here and make sure like they're not just all killing each other it makes you realize that mike schor pretty much ripped off the wild west to write the um the historical backstories for pawny indiana in parks and recreation yes yes quite literally it is perfect reference perfect So I'm going to go to something a little more ah um civilized. um And it is something that was signed into law. Oh, Jesus. I'm not even going to do the math of that right now. call you Wikipedia. two weeks ago in nineteen Two weeks ago today in 1956, Dwight Eisenhower signed in the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956.
00:48:52
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and someone who's never served in the military but who has traveled cross country bike vehicle, I do appreciate the ramifications of it. Thank you. thank like you We like Ike. We like Ike. It is crazy to think that before 1956, it was like, you know we'll we'll get there by train. there's that airplane and um yes we used it to drop a bomb on the Japanese 10 years ago but um maybe one day we'll be able to fly you know it will be a true commercial of um a truly commercial way to travel but it wasn't until Ike was staring at a map it's like well shit if something happens in California how do we get our troops from oh you mean they have to hop on a train and then they have to get off the train and this and you know um
00:49:41
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unload everything off the train and then oh there's a dirt road that goes through the Rockies and oh wait they might lose some you mean that half of our military vehicles can't even trek the Rockies fuck it you know what you know what guys no screw it screw it we're building highways across the interstates across this country i say highways because once again where you grow up is where you are everyone goes where is the there's not an i dash anything in because brother if you drive into another state i can't tell you need to tell me what the hell you did and what speed you were driving at because you skipped across the pacific ocean to get to the next state there's not gonna be too many highways
00:50:29
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and going on a sidetrack of this. Before, when I was um a senior in high school and I had been accepted to the University of Michigan, my mom told, pulls me aside one day and she goes, what you need to learn is you need to learn how to read street signs by highway names. But I'm like, mom, there's only like three of them. H1, H2, H3. And she goes, yes. But if you ask some, she goes, not every interstate is named on the mainland. And someone is going to look crazy at you if you, you know, like, and so we do have like, the what would be the quote unquote, interstates that, you know, on Oahu, they link up Cardiomy Marine Corps to Hickam Air Force Base at, um you know, the International Airport, Diamond Head is interconnected.
00:51:15
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um ever beach and all, you know, all of those that, you know, if you've taken a World War II history class, all the places the Japanese bombed on Pearl Harbor. yeah but but um You know, you have small, the smaller, like what would be like your guys smaller, you know, through the booty town highways and stuff. We have those, but they all have names. We don't call them the, you know, highway 99, highway 61 or whatever. And so she goes, you know, they might have names for part of them, but if you, you're trying to figure out where the I-15 turns into the I-34, you're going to be sorely mistaken and no one's going to tell you turn at the big rock like we do out here. so
00:51:57
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It's on the left. you know Tell people every time before we come out here, be prepared to throw all of your, um youre no one is going to know what the hell you're talking about. If you ask them, where does the H201 become the H1 again? If I am coming eastbound, if you tell them, look up at the hill and look for Tripler, that's where you're gonna notice that there's an energy. Oh, so like, but coming back to, like like I said, I know that the the military does their maneuvers. My father-in-law, he was a Navy lifer. He did all the spin-ups, the maneuverings, you know the you know the war um the the um the makeup wars where it's like, hey,
00:52:45
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the East Coast is getting bombed. We're going to spin up, get ready to go and support if we have to, you know, who's who is going, who is staying behind and stuff. And that 1956 Highway Act, that is what really linked the country. You know, the ah train, you know, the steam power linked the two coasts um initially, but to be able to drive across the country. And like I said, I'm someone who has benefited from it in more of a recreational to see as many states as I can with. But In all honesty, it's like if you don't have that, if you don't have a visioner, and who's not to say that someone would have figured it out in the you know in the in the subsequent um decades following, but for Ike to see it in a time where it's like not everyone necessarily has a card, not everyone, you know, not everyone has dreams of really, you know, going from New York to California or anything like that. sure And um like kind of like you said, Tom, like, you know, you can send a telegraph in that time, but it's like
00:53:41
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When's it going to get there? all as and get you know gets there Almost years later, to be able to say, like hey, like I can drive. you know It's going to take a week, but I can drive from Maine to um basically to one you know the nearest parts of Southern California. I can go across the country, and you know not the most direct route, but I can get there. that is what you know For non-military members, that's what the end result of the 1956 Act is. I like it. I just love the fact that Mike's mom had to give him like a tourist guides book just to send him to Michigan. And hey, just remember, this is still in the era where you you like, I know I'm younger than the two of you, but this is still an era where we had phones where it was like, do not click that globe. If you click that globe, you're like,
00:54:33
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No, no, no, no, no. You're like pulling the battery out of your phone because your parents are about to disconnect you from their family phone plan because you opened the magic internet and it's going to cost them $40 a second. so yes It was MapQuest. That was printing out pages on MapQuest. To to be like do college. we go Yeah, exactly. To do college tours. My dad's like, did you print the MapQuest? yeah fuck like so crazy he's like You do know we're going to Purdue today, not Notre Dame. Oh shit. Where's the nearest gas station? There it is. see my debt going get I need map. It's so wild.
00:55:15
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Cause like we, I talked about this, this was in that US history class. Like we talked about like trains and like the creation of like schedules and like how that starts to create like organization of like, Oh, like I have to, I know ah when I'm going to be in this place. Because like you said before it was. I will like I'm gonna I'm just gonna go and when I get there I'm gonna get there but now like there's a somewhat precise time of like the trains gonna arrive this time it's gonna depart at this time you talk about like creation of electricity because it I was like I it's nighttime
00:55:48
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golden the bad because Oh, it's after six o'clock. Gotta go to bed now. um Yeah, no, it's that's that's a good one. That's like a really niche one, but like to talk about like that connectivity. Okay. And then I'm going to have to hop off. So I'm just going to give you my last two. um go mike and first off i want to say tom thank you again like i said the sun is just coming up now i see we've seen the progression like its like i wasn't gonna say anything but yeah i saw that yeah lighting looks so much better
00:56:27
Speaker
Oh, no. So like I said, I'm going to say it now. Tom, thank you so much. As Joe said, it's been an endeavor to try and get certain pillars of packers the Packers blogosphere on. And I just want to say, as a huge fan of you know all the content you put out, but your 30 for 30 tour, all of you know just the work that you put into that, you know the um the charity work that it was for, I want to say thank you for all of your efforts and being a... you know There's good fans. There's great fans. There's bad fans in every fan base. But I just want to say thank you for being a great face for Packers fandom to be like, you know, like, h man you know, like we hate that team, but that Tom Grassi guy, that guy's pretty OK. So don't let him. There's a good amount of that. Mike, if you don't have to suck up anymore. We've already got him on the show, you know. mike's like I'm leaving. And also I want to try and and leave the door open to a return visit.
00:57:21
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so um But so my last two are going to be, and we're going to just stick, you know, like, like Tom said, how you view the world is how, like, where you come up from. So my last two are going to be world, um just being air travel, being able to travel, you know, and the commercialization. And I know, like, I'm someone who, for the longest time, it says, like, the government needs needs to stop bailing out billion dollar travel companies, because in the end, it doesn't get to the people who really make the magic happen.
00:57:54
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it's going only to fat cats who are just putting it in their back pocket and saying, like well, I'm not bankrupt, I'm you know i'm not filing for Chapter 13 this year, but um just as someone who lives on an island and some at some point is going to see you know receding shorelines caused to have to, well, hopefully not in my lifetime, but and my house is up on a hill relative to the rest of Waikiki and stuff, but Waikiki is literally down there. but But, um you know, air travel, like being able to, and being able to like, you know, technology is at the forefront, you know, of advancement in travel. And it's like,
00:58:31
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if you told someone, you know, someone who flew like an F4 in World War II, hey, one day there's going to be a jet that not just will take you from the the west coast of the US to Europe, but it's going to fly over the polar ice cap when you're talking to a dude who's flying a prop plane where it's like, if I do not fly this in the Perfect conditions. I'm going to lose fuel efficiency. My rotor might cut out. I might have bird strike, whatever. like And you tell him that you're going to take 300 something people and you're going to fly over the polar ice cap and you're going to get there in less than a day. It's like he's going to look at you like the fuck you say, bro. So that's one of them. And then the other one is worldwide ah fiber optics and just another way to connect the world. and
00:59:22
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I am a nature person and I do hate when you see the videos of like, this is a whale that got tangled in the fiber optic cable and stuff like that, but... just knowing how, like we said, you know, in the U.S., which is a contiguous continent, the, you know, ha Hawaiian, Alaska word states even weren't even, um, they weren't even ah territories at that point. So those contiguous states, you know, you have, you know, you have the 13 original colonies, the Louisiana, Louisiana purchase doubles the size those of the country. It's like, we're going to send this dude on a horse. He,
00:59:53
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you know he's in good health for the 1800s but you know he might keel over or it's the Arnold line from true lies that the the um never dying Arnold line from true lies and hurry my horse is getting tired but it's like you know like we think of like okay and I've got you know you send something within your statement it's like it should get there in a day or two and if you send it you know a couple states over you're like okay like it there'll be a week or oh you know I might do like next day guarantee or whatever It's like you're sending this dude on a horse and it's like oh like and you're just like I can just imagine you're standing there in 1789 and you're watching this guy on a horse go away and it's like is that guy too big for that horse? Does that horse look like it has a limp as it's walking as it's trotting away from us? Is that is that is that sack gonna hold on to the parcel that I've given him?
01:00:46
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Is he going to have to stop for food? You know, oh, I'm in New York and he's going to that um he's going to that Oklahoma territory down there. It's probably not even called Oklahoma at this point, but even a few months. yeah but like Or even as you're just sitting there and can you imagine as, um you know, the White House is getting burnt down by the British in the War of 1812 and it's like the people in the rest of the country, you know, you've got military conglomerates, militias, military conglomerates in different states. And like a month later, some dude strolls up on horseback. Oh, yeah, the White House burned down the British are back. It's like way what's a White House delivery for the White House, but got there just a bit too late. And as you're you're waiting here, as you're you're waiting for the return, it's like, when is the Virginia regiment getting here? When is the Georgia regiment getting here?
01:01:41
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It's like, can you imagine if you, like, took a set of long-range, you know, like, forget even like, but like, you just took the most basic telephone and it was just magically able to connect. And it's like, yeah just, like, just, George, trust me, or, um, Thomas, trust me, just push this button and you're gonna talk to, to Billy Van Zane down over in, in, uh, that new Louisiana territory. And he's gonna tell you it's luscious farm landed shit like that. They'd be like, Probably shoot stupid it's that's what we're doing right now. yeah I mean like literally like how we're like talking to each other, right? So that's why it's your number one. You're just like because we were able to do this podcast And in there that's the fine. I wish you two that are only an hour apart a great afternoon and rest of your day Tom. Thank you Joe. Great to meet you my area down
01:02:33
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know and you very much take care you Appreciate you, dude. Well, Joe, we'll get through. We'll, we'll get through. We'll, we'll rock out these. We'll kind of speed run these. Cause I know you've got your stuff that you got to get done too. So. Yeah, I got skedaddle in a hot minute, but what we'll we'll get through two. It's a cheating one, but it's it it is so big. It's industrial rev. Like that leads to all these things that we were talking about, and there are some definite downsides to it. But in terms of, I mean, dude, like even just talking about the fact that you have the invention of planes and the internet, and they're not that far apart.
01:03:17
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Right? Like, and that's just like progress, progress, progress, progress. Even the telephone old in internet. That's not even that far apart. Dude, like I still like, I remember my first net, like my first track phone that I had to go to Staples and buy like the card and be like, I got to get my prepaid minutes so I could text and call. And now it's like, Oh, I have a computer in my pocket. And I still remember at home where. You could only walk into a room as far as your cord would allow you. Yeah. so Or the but the push pad. you know It wasn't even a... ah Yeah. The family computer. And the dial-up sound. Kids today don't even know the dial-up sound.
01:04:00
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No, they don't, kids don't know these days it's about the, you couldn't use the phone. You picked up the phone when someone was on the internet and it blared in your ear. Or somebody might tried calling through and for an hour and then they finally get through. What the hell were you doing for so long? Yep. I was on aim. Come on guys. Uh, so my number two is, uh, the 1920s Harry Houdini debunking spiritualists. Oh, I like that. I love Harry Houdini. If you should give me a show that, yeah and I'm kind of just getting in, you know, just kind of sitting there and they say, Harry Houdini, I'm immediately into it because I love Harry Houdini. Um, but I really love his fight with spiritualists because this was the original debunker. He,
01:04:48
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He made it and it all came down to the simple fact that he was grieving over his losing his mom and some medium said, well, we can contact her. And it was a complete shit show. And he was like, no, this isn't happening anymore. And and he he made it his mission. And I give him props because he he really kicked down that door and said, you're throwing away your money for nothing because all they're doing is knocking on the table or they're sitting, they've got an accomplice next door or whatever. And I love that guy. i If I had a time period that I could go back to watch, it would be when Harry Houdini was doing that stuff just because it was amazing.
01:05:35
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We talk about these like movements, especially like when I was teaching AP and stuff. um kind of like what you're saying and it's It goes back to the number five of like those late 1800s. There's a foundational shift right in which science starts to become the foundation of society rather than religion and faith. and that is a huge huge and that's not to say of course religion doesn't exist because obviously it does but like for the longest time like religion was the backbone and foundation of like oh how do we explain a lot of these things because even during the enlightenment scientific revolution like all this stuff
01:06:10
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Those are outliers, right? Like there's scientists who are doing stuff, but it's, they're kind of closed off groups as communication improves. They're going to start reaching out a little bit more, but it really takes until like the late 1800s for it to become like the foundational of like, Oh, something needs to get explained. We're turning to science for that rather than the unknown or like something bigger, like religion. Yeah, for sure. And, and I always tell people the same thing that Houdini told his wife that if And I do believe in paranormal. I've had some weird shit happen to me that there's there's no explanation for it. But I always tell people, hey, if I'm actually going to come through to you, this is what I'm going to tell you. it's you know I'm not going to give you any bullshit. And it's not going to be, oh, well, I see a number three. And and you know it's going to be a legit, this is what I'm trying to tell you. All right, so number one, Tom.
01:07:07
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All right. You ready for the lamest answer ever, but I will fight tooth and nail because I think it's literally the most important thing in human history. Go for it. It's a Neolithic revolution. It's a creation of farming. That's it. Without the farmer, we literally don't have anything because farming, like now all of a sudden you don't have to go out for your food or at least significantly less. People could start settling down in one area, which was not happening before. And now all of a sudden you have food supplies. So now you can maintain a greater population and it literally starts like us. So it's ah it's a cheap one. It's it's definitely a cheap pop. So when I so taught freshmen, like that's one of the first things we talk about, right? Like we talk about paleolithic age, but like I impress upon them like, hey, farming, because it's tough to make, you know, ninth graders care about farming that happened thousands and thousands of years ago, right? It's it's a little bit difficult.
01:07:58
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So instead, like I tell him, I was like, Hey, like, listen, literally none of this happens. Like nothing. Like we're not having this conversation. No one's sitting in schools and people are like, Oh, so it's farmer's fault. I was like, maybe, but again, like none of it happens until we're able to grow food in the ground and stay in one place. And for someone who continuously bitches about farmers, because I have to deal with them on a constant basis, I can. I can see where you're coming from on that. So yeah, I mean, like I said, the farmers in the chat right now are like, yes, let's go um and and you want to talk about cheap pop. ah My last one is the ultimate cheap pop.
01:08:38
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Oh, is it? I swear to God, if you go like 1919, if we go creation of Green Bay Packers. And that's what it is. That's that's the ultimate cheap pop. That's the main reason why me and you are conversating right now. It's the main reason all of us create content for this stuff. um you know without that who knows you know you'd still probably be teaching you know ninth and tenth graders and well i still work but i mean you know that we wouldn't be like i would have slept in on this saturday wait a minute but you know really
01:09:17
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And it goes beyond just being Packer fans because without that creation, who knows what the NFL would be, you know, would we have an NFL? Absolutely. Because without the Packers being one of the foundational teams, it could be a lot different. And, you know, without curly Lambo and and stuff like that, who knows what the NFL would be. so Yeah, I'm definitely going for the cheap pop. This one, this one's the major one, but it's, it's, it should be in the top five.
01:09:50
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Yeah, I mean, dude, it's it's crazy. And I tell this to people, even if you're not a Packers fan, but it took me over 20 years to make it to Green Bay. Because like living in New York yeah is expensive to go to Green Bay. I couldn't get a direct flight.
Creation of the Green Bay Packers
01:10:05
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So I flew to Milwaukee, rented a car. This happened in my late 20s to go to a Chiefs preseason game at Lambeau Field. It's when a Kmart was yeah across the street and it was not Tidal Town. and There is, I legitimately think it is one of the greatest stories like in sports by far. And of course, like there's going to be bias because I'm a Packers fan. But when you go to Green Bay and everything is Packers. And what I mean by that is like you're talking to people whose you know grandparents were like hit in the back by a ball from Curly Lambo. Right. Like, and it's like, Oh yeah. Like my, yeah, it was watching the first game. Absolutely. Like at the park, a hundred percent. And to see just like how embedded the history of the team is and how like I say this all the time, like you don't have green bay without the Packers and you don't have the Packers without green bay. yeah
01:10:51
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Right. And just like how it's such a special place and it's such a cool place. And it's so different from every other team in the league. Um, yeah, it's, it's a special thing. but Yeah, for sure. So like I said, I had to go for it. It should be in everybody's top 10. I always tell people, even if you're not a Packers fan, you need to at least make the trip to Lambo one time because it is special, special thing. So. Well, I think we made it to the list. I had, you know, and it was great to have you on Tom. I really, like I said, I really appreciate it. Um, it, it was one of those things that, all right, now I checked this one off the list. Now we got to shoot eyes for it. Um, that's it. So, but you know, obviously people know where to find you, but if you just want to go ahead and shout your stuff out real quick.
01:11:39
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