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Harley Quinn S3 Trailer Reaction/Primer & News
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Zuhair and J Scotty address some news and feedback and prepare for Harey Quinn's third season on HBO Max by discussing the first 2 seasons and reacting to the trailer for Season 3!
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Animation Deliberation Podcast Overview
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On another exciting entry of animation deliberation, we cover, well, we're basically this is our primer for Harley Quinn season three, but we're also going to discuss some feedback from Lightyear as well as address some news in the world of animation. So stay tuned for all of that.
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Managing Animated Content Overload
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Sing along if you know the words. A one, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. Yeah. Woo. All right, folks. Welcome back to Animation Deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. My name is Jay Scottie St. Clair. And I'm Zuhar Ali.
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What's up, Zuhair? How are you this week? Doing pretty good. It's like we have so much content to cover, but this still feels like kind of a break week for only covering a trailer and not like weekly coverage or something. Yeah. Yeah. We, we talked about on our coverage of the Disney plus Baymax series, how we were somewhat surprised and maybe slightly disappointed that that wasn't a weekly series. But I think in the great scheme of things, it kind of worked out to give us all just a little bit of breathing room. This is definitely.
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a what we call the content overload season for animation. But I'm grateful to have a little breathing room and excited to talk about all this stuff. Yeah, because there's definitely a lot of content out there that's non-animated, such as Stranger Things, The Boys, Ms. Marvel. We're not shy of any content right now. And feedback on all those shows can be seen on Binge's Assemble and Marvel's Cinematic Universe podcast. But we definitely got to make time to watch the other things, too.
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Yeah, indeed. Indeed, we do.
Listener Feedback on Lightyear
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Especially when the shows are as good as they have been. Like, we're not here to discuss Ms. Marvel or the boys, but man. You! Yeah, these seasons were made for some great summer watching. I was really happy with both of those series. I started Stranger Things today, finally, since I'm caught up on everything else. I haven't watched Stranger Things since season two, but it is on my ever-growing to watch list. Gotcha. And there's only so much I can avoid memes until then.
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Yeah. Yeah. I totally get that. I think I've been spoiled on a few things, but you know, that's the risk you take when you're interacting on the internet. True. All right. So, uh, before we get into the news or our Harley Quinn season three primer, we did have some feedback addressing light years. I understand. Correct. Yep. We have an email from TJ Stafford.
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My viewing of the film was delayed because we had to find a free weekend that we could bring my daughter. She's three years old and this was her first theater experience. She loved it, although it ran a little long for her and she was getting fidgety. Anyways, here's a few of my thoughts on the movie. You were talking about Toy Story references and I wanted to mention a few that I noticed.
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For one thing, the entire opening sequence was essentially one giant Toy Story callback. Buzz's reflection in the face shield is straight out of his first appearance in Toy Story, as is his line about the unstable terrain. Originally, he says that in regard to Andy's bed. In the original, he also comments on the lack of intelligent life which leads to Woody sneaking up and startling him.
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As for the Zurg of it all, I can totally see why some might be irritated by the choices made. It didn't bother me as much, but I admit it is different than anything previously established. But if there is a sequel, there is a chance to course correct. I'm reminded of Iron Man 3's Mandarin Gate, and I think similar solution might be appropriate. Buzz Zurg appropriated the tech from the real Evil Emperor Zurg, who could be less than pleased about that fact and this will lead to the real conflict with Star Command.
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This was a very enjoyable film and I'd be willing to bet that if there is a sequel, it will hit more of the beats that people were looking for in this one. There could be more space exploration and a more extended conflict with Dirk's forces, but we'll just have to see how things shake out.
Pixar's Sequel Strategy and Disney Dynamics
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My only other objection to this movie is that there's missing four key items. Warped Arc Matter, Miranova, XR, Booster. Fix it, Pixar. Until next time, TJ Stafford.
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Alright, and if I'm not mistaken, those four things he just mentioned were all characters from the Buzz Lightyear Star Command cartoon. They were kind of like his team. Yeah, that was a spot. Okay, okay, cool. Other than that, yeah, I commend UTJ on your
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Recall when it comes to the original toy story. It's definitely one of my favorite movies ones that one that I have very fond memories of and I think you know I did pick up on the whole opening sequence being an homage to that original toy story But I really just kind of honed in
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on the pieces of dialogue that were directly lifted right out of Toy Story. As far as the other stuff, I do think you're right about the potential for a sequel. I really hope we get the sequel because I think
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I think that's actually one of the shortcomings of the movie. I think it invested too heavily on the fact that it was going to get a sequel and it didn't really... Don't get me wrong, I like the movie a lot and I think it's a solid movie, but I do think... We mentioned it on our cast. It's the first Pixar movie to ever have post-credit scenes. It was banking on the fact that it was going to get a sequel and I think maybe to its detriment a little bit.
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And it also makes me wonder because of like the supposed issues that like Disney's been having with Pixar and like trying to kind of like shut down Pixar and just make it Disney animation if that was one of the things that like Pixar kind of had to seed in so that they could like keep their stuff going a little bit longer kind of like a buy some time type of scheme. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a valid point. I hadn't been
Impact of Streaming on Pixar Films
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had my finger on the pulse as much when it comes to like the behind the scene, behind the scenes news at Pixar. But I do recall hearing some of those rumblings and I think you're absolutely correct. Yeah, they had to kind of bend to the house of mouse's will a little bit in that regard.
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Yeah, because I can I can just see that thing. It's like try telling us to stop a toy story movie. Yeah. And it's also worth, you know, re mentioning again that it was the first Pixar movie to be released post pan. Well, post pandemic pandemic, are we still in this thing? It's difficult to tell these days, but the United States currently is not. OK, fair enough. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. But
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All that being said, it still was the first Pixar movie to be released in theaters again, not on the streaming platform Disney Plus. And I think the movies, what was it, Soul and Turning Red so far were the ones that were released on Disney Plus and they were very well received. And I think a lot of people, a lot of families, especially just got used to the fact that you can expect to find Pixar on Disney Plus. I mean, you're paying for it every month.
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Maybe that's why people didn't turn out in the theaters the way we anticipated they would. I'm trying to remember. Oh, yeah, it was onward. That was the one that like hit theaters and it was only in for like a week before the pandemic hit and they had to take it out and it got like. Not I mean, not bad reviews, but obviously like the numbers tanked quite a bit because nobody went to the theater for obvious reasons to see it.
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Correct. Yeah, I think it came out on Disney Plus maybe like a month later, and that's when I caught it. But then even on the other side of things, just like the Disney animation studio films, I think Raya, which we covered on the show, Raya and the Last Dragon was probably the one that got the longest theatrical run that I can think of, like even in Kanto, which was very, very well received and even won an Oscar.
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its theater run was very short. And I don't think it had the best numbers, but it really blew up once it hit Disney Plus. So yeah, Raya was one of the ones that kind of hit us things started opening up. So it was an excuse to just kind of go out, but it was also a fantastic movie. So yes, it was deserve to stay out that long. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. But I can totally see a future where unfortunately, I want to see these movies on the big screen, but given their
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inclination to be more family films, I can kind of see a future where we see fewer and fewer of them being released on the big screen and them becoming staples of the Disney plus suite for better or for worse. You know, Bob's Burgers is technically Disney movie now. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's Fox is owned by Disney. I was going down the list and I was like, why is this on here? Oh, 20th century. Yeah, yeah.
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I caught that in theaters and was glad I did, but it's already on Hulu, so I'm looking forward to rewatching it, especially in preparation for an upcoming interview we have with Max Kazerman, who I guess he was the composer of that film. I know the show's creator, Lauren Bouchard, played a big hand in the music that came out on there, but I'm looking forward to discussing that with him.
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getting a better understanding of exactly how they came up with the music for the movie, because it's the best part of the movie, in my opinion. Yeah, I don't
Tribute to Yu-Gi-Oh Creator Kazuki Takahashi
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know if it's Karmazin or Karmazin, but Maxwell Karmazin is the concert master for Bosburg. Concert master, okay, cool. It's a cool title. It is, very cool. Yeah, if anybody has questions for him, please send us an email at animationdelibationpodcastatgmail.com, and we'd be happy to read it for you to him when we do that interview soon.
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Yes, good call. Okay, did you have anything else to bring up about TJ's lightyear feedback or should we talk about some of the news and the animation industry these days?
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Yeah, we can hit the sad news real quick just to get out of the way. Um, this was really, this was a big bummer for me and my friends that I grew up with, but the Yu-Gi-Oh creator Kazuki Takahashi was found dead at sea at 60. I actually didn't know what the story was until I was looking it up today, like for this. And apparently it was while he was snorkeling, like he died while he was in the water and his body was found at shore. And I was like, that's so depressing.
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Wow. Yeah. That story just got like, it's an absolute tragedy, but it got more and more interesting as you told me more about it. It was like, okay, he died at 60. That's kind of young. I wonder what the cause of death was. And then he died at sea. Yeah. He died while snorkeling. I mean, I don't mean to laugh because it is an absolute tragedy, but it's just what an interesting way to go. It's definitely a loss for the anime fan base, the world of animation. I'm not the biggest Yu-Gi-Oh
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fan or I don't know as much about Yu-Gi-Oh because it was just kind of a time in my life where I wasn't as invested in those types of things. But I can certainly appreciate the influence and the impact it had on so many of my peers. And I know that Yu-Zu hair are still a big Yu-Gi-Oh fan. So sorry for your loss.
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Yeah, it sucks. Like I still have all my cards when I was kid, like, I don't know if you can see it, but there's like a little shrine right here that has like three of the cards and the Funko for each one over it. But like those are the cards from like the starter deck that my mom got me that was at the front one on there. So those were like the big three. Gotcha. So for the listeners who do know there's a dark magician blue eyes, white dragon and red eyes, black dragon chilling on there. They see over my shoulder and I still have like my dual this and
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It was just such a great show. It was so much fun going to comic bookstores after school to play Yu-Gi-Oh with random people who were over there and playing on Saturday afternoons and stuff like that. It was just super sad to see that, but man, what a legacy and just all the memories.
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Yeah. If you have to go at least leave a legacy behind and something that, you know, people will remember you for and Yu-Gi-Oh is certainly one of those things. So he can definitely be proud of the impression he left on the world. And at 60, at least he went out doing something cool. Yeah, true that. True that. Like being adventurous at that age, like that's amazing.
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Yeah, I always get a little scared when I see that comic book artists or animators die around that age because it's a job where you have to sit a lot of the times and blood clots are a thing, strokes are a thing.
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Just a little PSA. If you are sitting, listening to us right now, get up, walk around, get your heart rate up a little bit. It's podcast go work on a trail. Definitely. Okay. All right. So on to more positive news. Shout out to Andre Sparks for sending me this, but two of the shows that we covered and really enjoyed were nominated for Emmys. The first one being Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers. Nice.
Emmy Nominations for Animated Shows
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And the second one being Star Wars Visions. Sweet.
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Yeah, as I'm looking at the article that I've got here for outstanding animated program nominees, I also see What If, which we covered, Arcane, which we brought up many times, Love, Death and Robots, which we brought up, and then a one that we actually did cover in a one-off episode, The Boys Presents Diabolical. Oh, nice. Yeah.
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So, listeners, clearly we talk about interesting stuff, like everything we talk about comes up in being popular, so I think we're worth listening to and worth recommending to your friends to listen to. Yes, yes.
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As I'm just looking down the list here, Bob's Burgers was also nominated, Rick and Morty, The Simpsons, Robot Chicken, and then one that I am not familiar with at all is called When Billy Met Lisa. I do not know this one. Well, listeners, if we should be covering When Billy Met Lisa, please let us know.
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It's like, what was the movie that we were told about so much in December? It's like somebody versus the machines. Oh, yeah. The Mitchells versus the machines. I had never heard about that till we started getting the emails of like, what was the most anticipated movie? I was like, oh, I guess I'm obviously still behind if I can't remember the name, but we still need to watch Arkane. Oh, I still need to finish. Indeed. Indeed. Like too much content overload. Yeah. The floodgates have opened. Get to it.
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Vox Machina and Arcane will be covered before the end of the year. I'm putting that in the universe. Yes. You heard it here. Okay, anything else to say about these nominations? Anything that particularly surprises you? Any omissions that you're sad to not see make the list?
00:15:56
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Um, not really, just because they don't keep up with the war shows and anything like that. Like good content is just good content for me, but I'm glad that the shows that we cover and adore and enjoy talking about are actually on a platform that other people talk about a lot too. So yeah. Um, you know, whatever it takes to get people to get more interested in animated content and preferably like the show in the process too is, is just to win. Yeah.
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I'll co-sign to that, yeah. I guess if I had any kind of surprise about Omission, it's just the lack of anime. You know, we've covered a number of animes on the show. I don't know. What's the criteria for that? Like, does it have to be like American made or? Oh, that's, you know what? I don't know about that. That's actually a great question.
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Yeah, we'll have to do some research and follow up on that, but that may be the case. They may have to have been created in America, but I'm not 100% sure. Interesting.
00:17:07
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Yeah. Regional Emmy Awards are also presented throughout the country at various times through the year, recognizing excellence in local and statewide television. In addition, the International Emmy Awards honor excellence in TV programming produced and initially aired outside of the United States. Was that a different show?
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Oh, for shows that are co-produced between the US and foreign production companies, they may be eligible if they initially aired outside the US or if the broadcast days were within a few days of each other. So there is like an international MEs. Okay, okay. Yeah, that makes sense.
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Yeah, the collaboration between the United States and other countries makes sense too because I was just thinking about it and Love and Death and Robots, volume three, I think one episode in particular, I'm fairly certain was created in another country.
Anime and Emmy Nominations
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It's one of the ones that's been discussed the most. That would be great if there was like an Emmy's just for anime.
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Like the anime awards? Uh, I think they're called the Annie's. I think there is an- Annie's? Yeah. Yeah. So we'll have to keep our, uh, ears to the ground when those awards start, uh, start getting nominations and front runners and whatnot. We'll have to maybe do a, uh, an awards episode. Interesting. Yeah. That'd be something fun that we just did on the show if there wasn't like an official one. We can do it. Why not? Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Cool.
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Right in with your nominees. Alright. Anemones. Anemone. Anemone. Okay. I live in an anemone. That is my favorite Pixar film. I'll have you. My sister in love story.
Harley Quinn Season Three Anticipation
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All right, well, I guess it's that part of the show where we will move on to what I'm calling the meat and potatoes of the episode. We've got the animated series for Harley Quinn season three drops this time next week on HBO Max. I'll just come out of the gate saying I've been longing to cover this show in some fashion and
00:19:39
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Given the show's tongue-in-cheek nature, there is a canon. It follows a certain storyline. It's serialized, but it's not one of those shows that it makes a ton of sense to give a full breakdown. I guess there's an overarching story, which we can cover, but it's mainly just a comedy. It's Bruce Timm and Paul Dini.
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who were responsible for that, you know, the Batman, the animated series from the 90s of the classic one. They're coming back, they embrace that tone, but like fully make fun of it. And so many great voice performers, Hayley Cuoco as Harley Quinn is doing something entirely different than Margot Robbie. And it's just great that both of these versions can exist.
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And yeah, I mean, the show is violent. The show is irreverent. The show is sexy at times, I'll even say. And one of the things I love the most about the show is it has so much respect for the DC universe and all these characters, but it's not afraid to make fun of not a one of them.
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Everybody gets their. Everything's a target. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Oh, my God, Bane. Bane is the best part. Yes, yes. And, you know, Bane, I believe, is voiced by Doug Benson. And he's obviously he did the voice in the Lego Batman movie.
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if I'm not mistaken, and he's really just embracing that kind of like, everybody that made fun of Tom Hardy after the Dark Knight Rises with the- He does a phenomenal job in his voice performance. Yes, yes.
00:21:27
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So we are going to kind of give our reactions. There was a teaser trailer that was released on June 28th. That was about a minute and 30 seconds. I want to say off the top of my head. And then just three days ago, we got the full trailer that clocks in about two minutes and 35 seconds. Okay, cool.
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So before we get into that, I did want to just kind of like, you know, give a brief overview of like what took place in season one and season two.
Harley Quinn's Journey Recap
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Just in a nutshell, season one is really like the first episode is the
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It's basically Harley and the Joker's breakup. It's the... The emancipation of Harley Quinn. Yes, yes. It's the final straw. He just shows time and time again how he does not care about her. And she still wants to go running back to her, but she has this friendship with Poison Ivy who's just telling her, you know...
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you you're a mental health like psychiatrist you should recognize these behavior patterns like he doesn't care about you do better and through the course of that she finally comes to the realization that that is the case she wants to strike out on her own as a supervillain she wants to join
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The League of Doom, which, you know, initially she's treated like a joke, so she had symbols, rather, her ragtag crew, which consists of Clayface, Dr. Psycho, voiced by Tony Hale, Clayface as Alan Tudyk, King Shark, voiced by Ron Funches, who else? She's got this cyborg guy named Cy Borgman, who is also like her
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Landlord and he's voiced by Jason Alexander poison ivy helps out from time to time and her plant freak who's voiced by JB smooth Am I missing anybody? I Think that's everybody Okay, so yeah the the first season is her cutting her teeth as a supervillain learning the hard way and really proving herself to the Legion of doom and Basically showing up the Joker
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And the Joker at the end of that season basically destroys the city of Gotham, and he and Batman are both believed to be dead and missing. Oh, I can't believe I glossed over Commissioner Gordon. Commissioner Gordon, voiced by Christopher Maloney, is absolutely hysterical. He's got ways to be such a damn good cop. Yes, yes.
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Broken shell of his of his former self. He's gone through a divorce. He is borderline obsessive with Batman much like the Joker himself and Yeah, and the balance was a dick does such a great Mark Hamill impression You think he's doing a Mark Hamill impression? I guess It's pretty close. Yeah, he's definitely trying to sound like as Mark Hamill as he can Okay
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I never really considered it that way, but yeah, he's definitely one of my favorite iterations of The Joker. We've talked about Young Justice at length and I love that show, but that version of The Joker has been one of the places it's continually kind of dropped the ball for me. It's just such a sadistic asshole. It's perfect. He does such a phenomenal job. Great. Yes, yes.
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Doom Patrol season two because Alan too, it was like the main villain of that. And yes, when they had to go to like that, the white space, they were like, where did he go? It's like, oh, he's doing something animated now because he was doing Harley Quinn such as like, it really like it doesn't take itself too seriously, but just honor so much DC stuff.
00:25:12
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Just the continuity between that is just so brilliant. Nice. Nice. I had seen Doom Patrol season one, but I hadn't seen season two. So it's great to hear like the synergy and the interconnectivity there that they can poke fun. That's excellent. That's great.
00:25:29
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And then Kaley Cuoco, I just have to say is just freaking phenomenal and everything I've seen her in, which isn't too many things. It's only three, but like she kills it between Big Bang Theory, this show and Flight Attendant all available in HBO Max. Like she is just incredible. I just learned today that her sister is actually who voices Barbara Gordon. Yeah, because I was watching a little bit today and I was like,
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did Kaley do both of these voices? And then when I was watching the trailer for season three and the credits rolled through, I was like, ah, nice. Yes. Yeah. I picked up on that too. Yeah. Um, and yeah, yeah, I can only echo your sentiments there. Hailey Cuoco is definitely the heart of the show. She's, um, involved in the production of the show. I can't remember the name of her production company, but at the end of every episode, she, you get her little, the title card for her company and she goes, woof, woof.
00:26:22
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Yeah, a great way to end the show. And she's just injecting so much life, vibrance and energy into the roles. It's very clear that she's really passionate about it and has kept it going. But on the subject of voice actors, we brought it up when we did our bat manimation in preparation for the Batman with friends of the show, Reed Murphy and Emily Sissel, in which we brought up this version of Batman voice by Dietrich Bader and
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He's definitely the straight man for the show as Batman often should be. He's not the one necessarily cracking jokes, but just reacting to all these zany larger than life characters. And I got to say, I mean, besides Kevin Conroy, he might be my favorite voice for Batman in the animated realm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the guy who voices Batman for
00:27:16
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The DC animated universe did a really good job, but yeah, his, his grungyness and the way that he delivers his lines. I mean, it seems like season three, he might be getting a little more silly, but overall, like he, he kills it at the role. And I think he does what the show actually needs, which is not too much of the grungy, but not too much of being too much silly either. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Whereas Teen Titans go like everything Batman did was a joke.
00:27:47
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Okay. That's I still want to see that movie Teen Titans go to the movies. Have you seen that? No. No, not interested. I only ever watched the show just kind of when it was on, just like that was what replaced Young Justice when they were canceled for a while. And then I didn't have Teen Titans either. So like the fact that that's what they gave us instead, it was like,
00:28:14
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I'll just get that show. I understand. I was a mad at that show for no fault of their own. Yeah. Um, but yeah, um, just kind of moving along with this recap season two picks up right where season one left off with the aftermath of, you know, Gotham city being destroyed. And this season's really about, uh, Harley
00:28:42
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power vacuum at this point because the joker's gone so everyone's got like their gangs and they have like their sections of gotham and yes gotham isn't part of the united states anymore and Everyone's trying to like be the king of gotham basically yeah, yeah, that's the perfect way to describe it it really is a power vacuum and everyone trying to kind of like move in and take their piece and it's a it's a chance for harley to step up again and uh
00:29:10
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The other side that's really explored more so is season one definitely set up this really great friendship between Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn, but season two really delves into the fact that, I know in the comics they had a romantic history, but in season two it really delves into this unrequited love.
Poison Ivy and Kite Man's Relationship
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that's Harley starting to feel for poison ivy and poison ivy ends up having a relationship with kite man, which is like just so unexpected. He's one of like the just, he's so dumb, but I love him. And yeah, Harley ends up even like reaching out to dark side or dark side recruits her and like, that's the episode I just watched before we got on. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And uh,
00:29:59
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One of the standout villains that I didn't know anything about before, but popped up in, uh, I'm pretty sure both seasons, but season two for sure is the queen of fables voiced by Wanda Sykes in this show. And she basically just, she's kind of like the evil queen from like Snow White or any of those like, you know, fairy tales. And she brings her creatures to life. And, uh, she actually got like trapped by the justice league and an encyclopedia.
00:30:30
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and was like stuck there indefinitely. So Harley Quinn freed her. And that's actually based on the comics. That's a real thing that happened. And it's like part of the meta nature of the show is like joking that like that's a fate worse than death. That's worse than any imprisonment. And it was kind of like overkill on the Justice League's part to like basically just keep her trapped inside an encyclopedia. Cruel and unusual punishment. Maybe a couple of our listeners who like to write in. Can you give us some more background on that? Yeah.
00:31:00
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I'm sure TJ or Fabian probably have some- I like how I just do a call. I was going to just googling it myself. I just talk to them a little bit. There's more. Yeah, yeah. Some other things that come to mind though is the Riddler, when we talk about that vacuum of power, the Riddler voiced by Jim Rash definitely goes head to head with Harley for a while.
00:31:23
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But ultimately, as I recall, one of the people on her team, Dr. Psycho, ends up betraying her and actually becomes kind of like the big bad at the end of the season. So they obviously have to vanquish him. And then, yeah, Joker has one of the craziest turns I've ever seen in any show. He turns out he's not dead, surprise, surprise, but he had like amnesia and went and lived like a normal life and became like a normal guy and like
00:31:53
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had a relationship with a woman with two kids and Harley encounters him at like a gala one night and he's a bartender, but she immediately recognizes him and slowly but surely she kind of helps him get his memory back and he's back to his old ways. Yeah, I haven't finished season two, so it's kind of going off what you say for that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, I mean,
00:32:19
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Sorry spoilers, but pick up on it. Yeah, going into my following. Yeah, just, I mean, going into season three with the trailer and everything like that. The season two ended with Harley basically, uh, not intentionally, but she interrupts the wedding of Kite man and poison Ivy because
00:32:39
Speaker
Gordon had some big setup like a sting operation where he was going to take all the villains in attendance out and Harley was able to prevent that. She wins over Poison Ivy because Kite Man actually leaves her because he understands that he needs better. He needs someone that loves him unconditionally and accepts him fully. So I mean, as much of it's like a breakup, it kind of breaks up that trope of someone getting
00:33:03
Speaker
like left, they come to a mutual understanding. It seems like they could potentially be friends afterwards. And they ride off into the sunset. They didn't fly off? No, right off. They go, they're in a car and like driving away, being shot at if I'm not mistaken. Sounds right. Yes, yes. Which I think leads directly into the limited comic series that Andrew brought up a couple of weeks back. I haven't had the chance to read it myself.
00:33:32
Speaker
But from what I understand, the little synopsis I read is, it's Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn on a cross country trip being pursued by Gordon, who's like completely unhinged at this point. So Batman and Barbara kind of have to like team up to bring him back to his quote unquote senses. Yep, not sure if any are left, but I guess we'll find out. Yeah, right.
00:33:58
Speaker
Okay. Anything else you want to just bring up about the show in general or the first season or what you have seen of season two? It's hilarious. The dynamic between the characters is phenomenal. I love how much they call back to shows and movies that we've seen in Adore already. All of it's just great. I can't wait for this next season. As much as I've wanted to be caught up with the show, clearly I'm just wildly overwhelmed. Otherwise, I definitely wouldn't because
00:34:28
Speaker
It is that good. Yeah, agreed. And I'll just say before we transition to covering these trailers for season three, if you're listening to us for some reason and have not watched the show and have been on the fence, the first episode will tell you whether or not the show is for you. And we talk about how? Opening sequence. Exactly, exactly. And we talk about how animation is not just for kids, but this show is not for kids.
Harley Quinn Season Three Trailer Reactions
00:34:58
Speaker
I love the animation style. Like I said, it really does harken back to that original Batman series. And even with like Lex Luthor, he looks like the Lex Luthor from the Batman animated series or not Batman, Superman animated series that was like released at the same time as or shortly after Batman, the animated series and like fed right into that first Justice League cartoon. So, yeah, are we ready to talk about these trailers? Let's do it.
00:35:29
Speaker
Okay. We're going to take a quick second to watch the trailers in real time to make ourselves as fresh as possible. And we will be right back after doing so. Okay. So we're back from a fresh viewing of the Harley Quinn season three trailer. So here, what are your, your thoughts?
00:35:53
Speaker
Cornell's Nightwing Batman the whole bat family and what appears to be Jason Todd like Mm-hmm. Oh my god. It's gonna be so much fun Like it seems like Ivy's actually gonna be the main villain of it and Joker's just gonna be like Messing with everything Joe was aiming for mayor. Yeah. Yeah
00:36:13
Speaker
Um, what's the space? Bane is going to be part of the team. Like, yes. I sprained my wrist playing table tennis. This all looks brilliant. I can't wait. Yeah. And we get three episode. At once. Oh yeah. Right on. Good call. Yeah. HBO Max has had a kind of tradition of doing that at this point. I guess Peacemaker dropped two episodes, maybe three. I can't remember. I haven't seen any of it.
00:36:44
Speaker
Oh, that's a show I completely forgot about. Add it to the list. Stranger Things first. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. But yeah, I agree with you. I didn't. My mind didn't immediately go to Poison Ivy being the main antagonist, but certainly her terraforming Gotham City seems to be a major plot point. It seems like there's going to be trouble in paradise.
00:37:10
Speaker
with hers, I think Ivy said something to the extent like you've changed and kind of recedes into her flower there. Oh yeah, Nightwing.
00:37:20
Speaker
Sorry, Andrew couldn't be here to give his love for Nightwing, but I think I'm really gonna love this iteration of Nightwing, especially because he's voiced by Harvey Guillen, who I know best from the show, What We Do in the Shadows. He's Guillermo, the familiar in What We Do in the Shadows. So I just, I kind of like chuckled to myself thinking like he went from dealing with one, quote, unquote, bat person in a vampire to another. Nice.
00:37:49
Speaker
He's got a good voice. He's been grooving for the part. It might be a little overly serious, but it's good. I think it's just serious enough. Yeah. I cringed a little when I saw a joke or pounding on Robin though. And the crowbar and everything, I was like, oh no, they're going to make jokes out of this. Yeah, with a sparkly suit. Sequence.
00:38:12
Speaker
What else? I mean, I like the way the trailer opened, just kind of establishing the tone of the show with Harley actually introducing the trailer just kind of shows the meta nature of the show. So it's great how they're giving love to the animators, too. It's like, hey, they're working hard for this. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Because it's not easy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there were a couple of great lines about
00:38:39
Speaker
what she say, tell Ben Affleck I uppercut it as Soda Stream or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And then in the teaser trailer, I know there was James Gunn, Clay Face basically turns into a chair begging James Gunn to sit on him. So it's just, it's, it's great. Oh,
00:38:58
Speaker
Thinking about that interconnectivity between the various DC projects and live action there, there was that sequence where they were falling through what looked like a multiversal portal and it looked like the Gotham straight out of the animated series. We talked about how the animation really harkens to the animated series and sometimes it feels like it's set in the same world.
00:39:18
Speaker
but that shot in particular where they kind of dropped into Gotham with a lot of reds and blacks really made me feel like they might be visiting that alternate universe. Hey man, we'll see Terry McGinnis. Yeah, very well good. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I have terribly too much more to say. I'm just really excited for it. Yeah, Joker running for mayor, poison ivy, terraforming,
00:39:48
Speaker
It looked like at one point in time King shark had a different kind of get-up on As a super meta comedy. Yes. Yes. Yeah You looked at me funny when I mentioned King sharks get up It was like he was getting like thrown across like what looked like a bar to me and it looked like he had like a cape and like maybe he was like Assume the role of like ocean master potentially. I don't know
00:40:12
Speaker
No, I was trying to think of the scene and all I could think of is like him chomping at the at the camera when his name came up okay, so now I can't think of anything in particular, but It's yeah, he could either be playing cosplay or there could be some interaction with Aquaman Mm-hmm We'll find out soon enough Yeah, I mean I think the trailer is holding back a lot, but thank God
00:40:42
Speaker
Yeah, there was no mention of Dr. Psycho, so I'll be interested to see if Tony Hale returns in any capacity whatsoever. He'll definitely be missed if not. Yeah, I mean, if you complain that DC doesn't have any good content, like clearly you're not looking in the right places because there's definitely diversity of it. There's definitely good stuff. Yeah, yeah.
00:41:09
Speaker
I'm a fan of both DC as well as Marvel. I've never been one of those people that understands why you would root for one against the other. They're both there, just enjoy both. But I will say, if you're going to compare the two, I think that's one... I mean, we've talked about it at length how DC is definitely beating Marvel for the most part in terms of animation. What if it was a great series? But I think this show in particular,
00:41:36
Speaker
exemplifies where DC is kind of superseding Marvel in some ways. Like they're not afraid to like make fun of themselves and kind of like take risks with like an adult oriented series like this. And that's something I would like to see from Marvel and the MCU potentially. I know being, you know, under the Disney umbrella, it's not as easy for them, but I think, you know, a character like Deadpool is the perfect opportunity to do something like this. That's the closest they're going to get to testing the waters.
00:42:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I know once upon a time, Donald Glover was supposed to be working on a Deadpool animated series, but the plug got pulled on that fairly early on in the creative process, unfortunately. It was going to come out on FX, I think. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anything else you want to say about Harley Quinn, Harley Quinn season three?
00:42:31
Speaker
No, that's it for me. Okay. It comes up in what, a week or two? Yeah, should be dropping on the, what is it? I think it was the 28th? 28th is correct, yes. Wait. July 28th, that is. Eat bank kill.
00:42:53
Speaker
Oh, yeah. That does remind me of something I read. I did see that the music composer for Harley Quinn, Jefferson Friedman, did confirm that there's going to be at least one full musical episode in season three. Oh, geez. Yeah. I can't wait to hear Clay facing that. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, he's going to relish that opportunity. Too much fun. Too much.
00:43:23
Speaker
Okay. Uh, well, uh, yeah, at this point I would say if you're excited for Harley Quinn season three and you've got any reactions to this trailer, these trailers, any speculation you want to throw out there.
00:43:34
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You can do so at any of our social media presence. You can find us pretty much everywhere at animationdeliberation, Twitter it's animationdelib1, or shoot us an email or a voice recording at animationdeliberationpodcast.gml.com, and we'd love to include your voice on the show. So, Harry, do you have anything you'd like to let the people know about as far as plugs go?
00:43:57
Speaker
I'm really sad Miss Marvel is over but I've gotten to be on like three different podcasts just to talk about it being a Pakistani American and a smiling Muslim so I got to offer my insight on a lot of things so Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast I might be doing a feedback episode with them depending on if our schedules line up that's the plan right now
00:44:17
Speaker
But the instant reactions are all there. So check out those episodes. Check out the interview with Anjali Bhimani. 3-2-3 with Reed Murphy. We obviously talked sports, but got to talk Marvel on there as well. And then right after this, we'll be recording with Emily Sissel and Matthew Fox on superhero ethics to talk about Ms. Marvel as well.
00:44:36
Speaker
So yeah, there's definitely a diversity in my conversation, my diversity in people that I talk with, but it was a fantastic series and it's just been a genuine delight to talk to the people and answer questions about, you know, the culture and whatnot. And it's been a learning process for me too. So yeah, check out all those stuff and also check out our interview with Zach Berwick to talk about his new show and his experience with Marvel, which is.
00:44:59
Speaker
a delight. Yes, indeed. Thanks for bringing that up. Go back and check out that interview we did with Zach. It was a great conversation talking all about his Netflix series, Dead End, Paranormal Park, as well as just kind of convincing as fans of animation and picking his brain about some of his favorite things like
00:45:19
Speaker
horror and roller coasters and all that stuff. It was a really fun conversation. And I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up a couple of things that I'm just kind of registering now in the middle of plug, so forgive me here. But just a few other things that stood out. We did see Swamp Thing. It's going to be great to see how Swamp Thing interacts with Poison Ivy, especially with her, what appears to be growing power.
Swamp Thing and Amanda Waller Speculations
00:45:40
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And then Amanda Waller did show up in a big way. So with the James Gunn joke, it's going to be
00:45:48
Speaker
Interesting to see how they incorporate her, especially knowing that talking about Peacemaker, Amanda Waller is the next confirmed character to get her own spinoff series. Did you watch the Swamp Thing show?
00:46:02
Speaker
I did not. Did you? It was great. Okay. I heard mixed things about it. I hate the unfortunate circumstances as to why they couldn't do a season two right away, but season one was awesome. I liked it. It was just horror enough for my liking. Okay, cool. Cool. I'll have to go back and check that one out. I'm pretty sure it's on HBO Max, right? Because it came out on DC Universe originally? Yeah. Okay, sweet.
00:46:27
Speaker
Well, on the subject of just horror enough, this is not anything I can confirm officially, but we mentioned Harvey Guillen voicing Nightwing. What we do in the shadows, season four just started airing. Hulu dropped the first two episodes. I've seen the first one. And last year, PandaVision did some coverage of that. So Karen Hufsteller and I have discussed doing some coverage for season four, but that's not 100% confirmed yet. But if that's something you would like to see,
00:46:57
Speaker
go back and check out our previous episodes, boost the downloads there, and hopefully we can get the go ahead from the Podfather, as I like to call him, or Papa Panda, as Zuhair affectionately refers to him as Matthew Carroll. So I think that'll do it for me. Thank you for tuning in as always. It's T-O-O-N-I-N. Stay well.
00:47:22
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