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Business of Machining - Episode 6
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Welcome to the John Grimsmo & John Saunders Business of Machining Podcast! We (John and John) have talked every Friday morning for the past year and we realized how helpful it has been to share our successes, struggles and stories with each other! So helpful that we have decided to record our conversations and share as this podcast!
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Introduction and Initial Banter
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to the business of machining episode number six. I am John Grimsmo at Grimsmo knives. I'm here at my shop My name is John Saunders and I am here at my shop in Zanesville, Ohio and I am near Toronto, Ontario, Canada
00:00:17
Speaker
And I'm staring at John Grimsmough, uh, with a beautiful Morissiki Dura vertical behind him with a mid to toy indicator. And it's kind of funny because I have to pinch myself every once in a while because, uh, we did it, huh? Or we are doing, we are doing it. Yeah, totally. It doesn't always feel like it, but man, when you step back and look, it's like, it's here.
00:00:36
Speaker
Yeah, amazing. And I told John, I was like, I might have to move rooms because we're running some plates on our hos right
Improving Podcast Audio Quality
00:00:43
Speaker
now. And there's one tool that's pretty loud. And I obviously want to make make sure we maximize the quality of the audio for our podcast listeners. Yeah, I thought about starting up my machines. But then I'm like, Okay, let's keep the audio clean for this one. How was you? How was your week?
Weekly Productivity and Challenges
00:01:00
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My week's been very productive, just pumping out these rasp orders. That's our number one goal right now. And
00:01:05
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And we're finally getting into a super good rhythm. I'm asking you curious, do you realize that? Because when we talked maybe four or five months or weeks ago, it was, oh, this fixture or, oh, this grind or, oh, this or, oh, that. And the last two or three, I don't know if you realize it, it's just been, we're cranking. Yeah. You know, I've both, I've done, I've turned off my brain a little bit on the R and D side of things. And I'm like, they're good. They're really good. We just need to get them out the door. And also there has been, you know, the odd R and D thing.
00:01:34
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that comes up that I gotta tackle. The past four or five days I've been running the lathe almost non-stop making these little pivot screws which has a fine thread and a torx pattern milled into it. That's the part you machine with the 20,000 torx head in a mill? Yeah, it's crazy. And I just realized after making 150 of them that the torx doesn't fit. Come on. They're just undersized and I didn't catch it early enough and I forgot to check and now
00:02:02
Speaker
They're basically scrap. Yeah, there's no practical way to fix that, right? You could get a really small rent-a-shop probe tip and probe them in. Yeah No, I'm kidding. So, you know that sucks, but whatever I'll just make sure
00:02:15
Speaker
It's kind of one of those reminders to yourself. Trust but verify, you know, don't let it go too far before checking everything.
Quality Control in Production
00:02:22
Speaker
So I literally was just going to ask you that because we're running our mini pallets right now on the Haas, the little six by eights. And I don't have a QC methodology. I mean, I probably put too much faith and trust in the machine. And we now have like a mid to 20 linear height gauge. So I've been walking over and testing each one, but that's even dangerous because I feel like the more I test and the more they're dialed in, the more I assume that things aren't going to
00:02:44
Speaker
bad things aren't going to happen. So I guess I'm sort of realizing we need to actually now when we are running any sort of volume or production, we actually need a QC methodology that's beyond the whims of John's mood. Yes. I meant my mood, not yours. Yeah. No, because you're in a good mood. You trust it. You're in a bad mood. You don't trust anything. Nobody wants to make scrap. Yeah. And as we grow our business, as some of your guys are running and unloading your parts,
00:03:10
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right you know they don't know it as well as you do and I'm finding the same thing here you know I've got my father-in-law working for me now and he can load and unload pallets so I'll run the machine at night he comes in in the morning and unloads and assumes they're good but if I had a
00:03:23
Speaker
Checking methodology where make sure all these holes are the right size and all the threads fit good. Then it's just less guesswork. So yeah, so why don't you build a go no go like a little machine plate that has the tool, like a permanent, you leave a Torx head in it that you can test it, a threaded hole in it and you do
Innovative Quality Control Solutions
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that. That's a very good idea. I like that little, big cute little station, like the Rask QC station. Right. Or even separated for each different part. That's, that's how the big jobs do it.
00:03:50
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And you could have two machine little bins or red shower bins in front that have pre-check post-check. To me, it's all about I've kind of come to this conclusion a while back that I actually can only make
00:04:00
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so many decisions in
00:04:21
Speaker
when I can QC something by always I told you before when it's like the john Saunders that's just following directions. If I just walk up to a station that has a QC instructions, I just can mindlessly do it. And that's not I'm not taxing my decision bank for the day. Very good idea. I've heard that before. And I've been thinking about it for a long time now that yeah, somebody said you
00:04:42
Speaker
assume you only have a hundred decisions in a day. And even if that's what t-shirt you put on in the morning and what you have for breakfast. Yes.
Reducing Decision Fatigue
00:04:49
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Absolutely. Yeah. So I'm definitely sharper in the morning too.
00:04:52
Speaker
Yeah. When in a little screw fixture, a screw gono station could be so simple that you could put a bin of screws there and it could have like the one, two, three, four stations. And I think somebody like me or your father-in-law could walk up to it with no instructions and instantly realize what he's supposed to do. That is Paul Aker's fast cap method of doing everything. He put up a new factory tour video a couple of days ago.
00:05:16
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Oh, really? Which I recommend you watch, and everybody should watch. Go to YouTube, search for Paul Anker's Fast Captain. I think we're new to this podcast thing, folks. I think we can actually put that in the podcast video description. I will make a note. Okay. Yeah, it's a 13-minute video of him walking around the shop, showing all these lean little things. I mean, I'm sure they have some experts, but every station, assembly station, manufacturing, whatever, has instructions so that any dork off the street can come in and read the instructions and get it done. Because the process is the expert, so.
00:05:45
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You turned me on to him probably a year and a half ago and I listened to his podcast on lean and even Paul Acres can sound a little smug and you kind of want to punch him in the face, I think. But darn it, he's right on some stuff. And like one of the things I've learned is, you know, I can buy torque wrenches on Amazon for 30 or 40 bucks and rather than have one torque wrench, because we torque everything on our Haas now. Every vice handle, every fastener gets torque wrenched down and not just handled tight.
00:06:11
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So rather than adjusting in between 25 and 45 and 65 and 85 for all these different tools and fixtures and drawbars and studs, we just have dedicated torque wrenches. Oh my God. It's so, it's, it costs me 120 bucks. Yeah. Complete, complete no brainer. And then it becomes a no brainer activity. Exactly. And I don't have to find the right head for the, you know, I needed a five eighths ball versus a three quarter socket. And do you have it written on there? What torque it's, you keep it at the same torque forever?
00:06:41
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I will. Yeah. Sorry. I'm not that good yet. I remember back from my car days. This was 10, 10 years ago or so. They always used to say to never leave your torque wrench tightened because it'll lose strength, but whatever. I mean, I'm using them every day too. It's not like I'm storing them in a toolbox for six months. Totally. And it's not like we're twerking wheel lugs on a car or engine bolts or something like that that has to be 65, not 64.
00:07:08
Speaker
Oh, that's true. Although, let me tell you, those ER32 collet nuts on the Meritools, those go to 85 foot pounds. Wow. And that is not a small amount of torque. Really? Because I have never torqued really anything in my shop now. That's because you've made the total amount of chips that you've made would fit into a gallon milk jug over two years. Five gallon milk jug. Come on. Are you making tops at all? Nope. Still going through the inventory that I made in December.
00:07:37
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which is excellent, but getting close to making more. Actually started designing one of those spinners that you can see it around, I'm sure. No, okay. I'm really excited to design that. It seems like a really fun product. Cool. I saw one thing. It was apparently a Kickstarter with a button. Have you seen this? It's like a cubic inch and it has buttons. And apparently it raised some, just a amount of money that makes you want to go crawl into a cave and quit everything that you do. Yeah.
00:08:05
Speaker
No, but it's okay. So I'm going to take that and extrapolate that into a life lesson point, which is, you know, it's tough when you see somebody that makes a spinner or a fidget toy and does, makes more in their Kickstarter campaign than you've made in your cumulative machinist life or something like that. A million dollars, two million dollars. But on the flip side, you got to stay true to who you are.
00:08:25
Speaker
I kind of struggle with sometimes, because our YouTube videos, as well as they do, and maybe a lot of people think, oh my gosh, I actually think we are probably the leading subscriber count channel. There's some other channels out there that are putting on incredible stuff with more views. And I think about that, because I'm like, am I doing something wrong? And that's what I have to remember and realize, I love what I do. I am John Saunders. My channel bounces between machining and Arduino and business. And you know what? That's what I want to do. And if that makes it a little bit less popular, so be it. But it makes me happy. Yeah, it's true to yourself.
00:08:55
Speaker
Like you said, it's your channel. It's, you know, my YouTube channel is John Grimsman. I can put whatever I want on there. Yeah. What's on tap for today? Yesterday, I was machining the bevels on our RASP blades. You can see this in the video using this grinding wheel that I got a while ago, trying to dial it in. I burned probably 30 blades over the past month or two. Yeah. Just trying to get this thing to work. I finally nailed it.
00:09:16
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So I think that woman Linda was gonna send you a new blade right or new cup wheel Yeah, so I talked with her yesterday for an hour. She's just she's the grinding whisperer. She knows everything about everything I Told her boss yesterday. I'm like you gotta give her a raise whatever you're paying her now. She's just a genius It's incredible. So she's gonna hook us up. I'm using a 200 grit right now She's gonna custom make us a 500 grit wheel that she says will blow us away
00:09:41
Speaker
But that's so weird because if I think burning, I think that you're building, loading up the wheel, which means you would almost need something has, I guess that's, I'm learning too. Coarseness has nothing to do with the dress structure. In other words, you could have a fine dressed, a fine grain wheel with a rough dressing, which is going to give it more ability to store material and not load up. Is that right? I think that's a little bit different for aluminum oxide wheels versus diamond and CBN wheels.
00:10:07
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which are more based on the grid size, but a good dress is still very important. And you're using the diamond or CBN? I'm using a CBN wheel, yeah. The cubic
Expert Insights on Grinding Techniques
00:10:16
Speaker
boron nitride. The wheel that I'm using is called a vitrified bond, so the way that the diamond particles are kind of glued in to the wheel structure is done with a vitrified method, which whatever that is. There's another kind called a resin bond, which is different, and apparently Linda was telling me a vitrified wheel is
00:10:32
Speaker
hard as hell and it won't cut anything really, but it'll last forever. A resin bond wheel is softer. It'll wear out faster, but it'll cut like crazy. Interesting. So we find is a, it looks like it's a heat process with glass. Talk about with glass. Interesting. Okay. So yeah, with a resin bond wheel, she, she says we should be able to take instead of one 10th every pass, we should be able to take a foul every pass if we want. And it's not going to load up. It's not going to heat up.
00:11:00
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It's just going to cut like crazy, and it's going to leave an amazing finish. And she says, if you're not blown away, I'll take it back, and you're not going to pay anything. So that's awesome. But you said you already are happy. So what happened? You already got that one in? Nope. I haven't tried the new one yet. I just officially ordered it yesterday. The old wheel that I'm using is currently working great, and we're not burning blades. But the finish could be a bit better. It's a little bit streaky now, a bunch of peaks and valleys. I mean, it looks really good.
00:11:25
Speaker
Eric still has to work his magic on it. And are you willing to share what was the, I know you spent weeks dialing it in, was it just speeds and feeds and depth and all that or was there more to it? Speeds feeds depth, you know, width of cut and the amount of passes. One of the things like I cleared out with an end mill first to remove most of the material and then I come in with the grinder and I just kiss it one tenth at a time.
00:11:46
Speaker
Basically I went from, I think I was doing 20 passes before with the grinder and now I'm doing about 50 and it works. Is it still a good time saver though? Oh my gosh. I mean, I guess it's not, it's not, it's automated by the machine, but holy cow. But it's, it's one at 70 inches per minute with the milling and the grinding. It's about six and a half minutes per side of the blade.
00:12:06
Speaker
Okay, so it's no big deal really that's not that bad and to save Eric significant time on the hand finishing sanding grinding part of it Totally worth it. Okay. I didn't know if it was a point four inch a minute type thing, right? Yeah Yeah, 50 passes that you know, one inch per minute would take forever, right? Yeah
00:12:23
Speaker
But it's a it's amazing. I'm totally eating my words on when I got the Haas I was like, oh it's gonna be such a big step up for us You know, we'll have a six months cushion to like learn it and it's gonna be you know No stress and I am all the sudden, you know, like two nights ago We ran it quote-unquote lights out for the first time. I saw that on Instagram. Yeah
00:12:42
Speaker
I mean, I've run it and I've left the shop before, but this is the first time with multiple setups. We're using a modified post, which doesn't retract all the way up between more coordinate system parts, which is a little bit dangerous. It's okay, we prove it out. But it's just, you know, I was nervous. But now all of a sudden, like I am already three months in looking for saving time and wondering where I can push things harder and get things off the machine quicker. I was completely full of myself when I thought, you know, it'll be no big deal.
00:13:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's go time now. You have this awesome machine and you want to make parts with it. I have an idea for our orange vices because I do need to be able to tear them off and put them back on more easily and not have to trim them in. So I'm just going to make two trimming bars that have the bolt hole pattern on the top
00:13:27
Speaker
across two bars and I can lay the vices on the table and then just put those bars over them and poke them into the half inch holes and that should get me square and perpendicular almost instantly likely to bolt them down and then sweep them in. With uh pins? Like fixture pins? Yeah. Yeah. But fixture pins on the top not on the bottom. Makes sense?
00:13:51
Speaker
So basically put a bracket, put a bar across the top of the vise body that has a pin for each of the, across each of the, so it's four vices, so there's eight holes going left to right in X. Oh, okay, yeah, it's two per vise. Right. And then I could do even a second bar, one bar at the far end of the vise, the other bar at the other end in Y, and now I've got
00:14:15
Speaker
tons of locating pin geometry stuff and then I just square that whole thing up to the machine frame and then each one I could I could bump in a little but basically because I need to maintain the same location of the vices because it's becoming important for some of our repeat jobs how we're building fixtures and how we're basically making sure a face mill on vise one doesn't touch the part on vise two. Yeah that's a really good idea and then you know in that theory
00:14:39
Speaker
depending on how accurate you really want it to get, you could just have one work cord that offset for all of them. I thought about that. I've never been a huge fan because if I want to dial in or tweak like part number three, then I don't want to go move it in CAD. I just like having, I've been on the, maybe I'm wrong.
00:14:59
Speaker
Yeah, I remember we talked about this in episode two because I just went through and listened to it and we talked a lot about that. And I'm a fan of having individual coordinate systems too, but I haven't really moved to more than one vice at a time yet. You know, I'm thinking about loading up five vices and do I probe them all in or do I run them?
00:15:16
Speaker
you know, tool one hits vice one, two, three, four, five, or do I finish vice one and then move to vice two and finish vice two? No, you do tool one across all of them. Right. Oh yeah. Infusion does a really good job. It just, you can just change order optimized by tool and it's called, Al Wamo described it as like,
00:15:33
Speaker
What was his analogy I gotta get that but it's basically like it'll do everything it can with that tool But if you call that tool begin later, it knows it can't do that because it's got to do stuff before it right I've got you know some tool where tool breakage issues with my knives because they only last so long small tools so if I did all five and It broke on the fifth one and this is the first tool of the night
00:15:57
Speaker
It's going to hang there all night waiting for me to fix it. Can't you probe? But if I finished vise one, then at least that could be done. Then I can finish vise two. And you don't have any extra tool holder spaces, huh? I might have a few. But if 1 16th carbide end mill breaks, it'll stay there. So I can't just take a new tool and go because there's a piece of broken carbide in there. If it breaks, it'll break in the hole. It won't fall out.
00:16:27
Speaker
Yeah, I'm doing a slot. I'll pretend you didn't say that. What are you slotting? The lock bar cut out. You don't have that water jet roughed? No, I don't. Why not? Why don't you have the water jet run a strip down the middle, then you're at least not totally slotting? Two reasons. You've thought about this. Accuracy sucks with water jet. And then positional accuracy becomes a big thing with the water jet blanks. And also, I don't know if this is true or not, but it's kind of my theory that
00:16:57
Speaker
The rough water jet finish is kind of harder on end mills than just raw metal. It's like an abrasive. I don't know if it's true, but it kind of makes sense when I think about it. Yeah. And it's 160, there's no way to do any sort of an adaptive there. Yeah. It's a 62 thou end mill and a 68 thou wide slot. I could adaptive it, but it would take forever. So I just do a full depth slot at two inches per minute and it works amazing. And it, I mean, I can get,
00:17:24
Speaker
probably 20-30 handles out of one endmill, which is phenomenal. But it'll eventually break. Right. Got it. And so do you always wait for it to break, or do you proactively swap that out after, say, 20 or 25? I wait for it to break unless some other whole features become a problem. And does it always break in the slot, or does it break? Yeah, pretty much always.
00:17:47
Speaker
Got it. Okay, I guess that's interesting. So it's literally wearing out. It's not breaking Coincidentally never it never breaks after the second one, right? It lasts for a long time and then it just breaks probably because it's too dull and then loads up a little bit I I know that like chip evacuation is not the most ideal in this situation because I've gone, you know, I'm taking a 60,000 mil 125 thou deep So two times diameter deep and I'm just slotting the crap out of it in titanium, but it works so
00:18:18
Speaker
Yeah, and don't laugh, but obviously gang drilling is too slow. And what if you gang drilled spots along the way to give it a chance to flush the chips out, you know, every inch? What do you mean gang drill? Just drill a series of holes to clear it out?
00:18:32
Speaker
Yeah, you've never gang drilled before? No, I've never heard of the term. Yeah, so it's not an uncommon thing at all where to avoid sliding you could just peck a series of holes and then boom. Now it's slow, usually. It can actually be a great way to remove material and I've heard some good arguments about, you know, drills do a great job of evacuating chips vertically. I've heard that too. But what I'm thinking, and this is complete
00:18:53
Speaker
You know just talking out loud is what if you drilled a? 55 thou hole every half inch and that gives the end mill a chance to really shake itself free of chips get more cooling around it gives it a little break Yeah, would that make it then an interrupted cut and is that a bad thing or I wouldn't worry about that at all Yeah, because you think about it every end mills are always fired to fact to interrupted country this very good point
00:19:17
Speaker
Now, if you work hard and I don't do anything with titanium, you work hard in it, then that's a big question. Right. Right. That's interesting. I do have a 59 thou drill that doesn't get used very much, but it's in the machine all the time. I'm serious. Yeah. Oh yeah. I could easily clear that out. That's a good idea. Sweet. Learning every day. I love it. This is what we call the blind leading the blind. Yeah.
00:19:40
Speaker
No, but I was I talked about that I recorded a fusion Friday yesterday and I figured out a way in fusion to more into me more efficiently put a toe clamp in a model and have it avoid have an adaptive a strategy avoid the toe clamp and that's I just got so excited because I'm like folks we live in a great world the software is amazing and it's not perfect I'm not saying fusions perfect either but holy cow like it's so fun to sit there and play and figure it out and get this stuff to do what we wanted to do like it's awesome
00:20:10
Speaker
You almost feel guilty being so needy in what you want it to do, but then when you get it, you're like, oh my God, yes, I love it. Like with this grinding these bevels, I mean, I'm so happy it actually works now.
00:20:21
Speaker
Yeah, that's amazing. Speaking of grinding, we had the sales guy or service tech from the Okamoto dealer come out to our shop on Tuesday and he has our grinder running.
New Equipment and Supplier Relationships
00:20:36
Speaker
And it made me feel so good because he was like, he looked at me and he's like, would you pay for this? And I told him and he's like, holy cow, you got a great deal. And it's just, I wasn't too nervous, but I was,
00:20:49
Speaker
I wanted to make parts with it, not have a six month repair project or a $6,000 hydraulic custom fitting or something. Yeah, but sometimes you don't know by buying it, right? I saw it under power and I knew the mag chuck worked and I tried to flush, I tried to fish out the story of it as best I could. And look, condition tells you a lot. Actually, I need to do a video on this because at the Richard King scraping class, he taught us some really good ways that are new to me on checking machine accuracy really quickly.
00:21:18
Speaker
put an indicator and a mag base in your pocket, walk up to a machine, stick it on there, and you can check some stuff really quick. Condition tells you a lot. It's pretty rare, in my opinion, to see a machine that has problems that's otherwise in pristine condition. Right. If it's a good quality machine to begin with. Right. And this was the, I mean, if I could say so, like the Rolls-Royce of grinders. Nice. And what year is it?
00:21:41
Speaker
81. Whoa. So it's no spring chicken. It's older than us. It's old. And that was the other questions are, you know, the ways, and I haven't done a lot of grinding runs, but we don't know how accurate it's going to be. I threw a steel block on it yesterday and just, just did passes on each side, like seriously, as quick as could be. I let it spark out for five passes, walked over to my new Mitsutoyo height gauge thing and did a run out check on it. And it was four 10ths across three inches.
00:22:10
Speaker
So, that's terrible, but I'm not chalking that up to anything because I don't really know what I'm doing on grinding.
00:22:20
Speaker
That's fantastic. But they say that about grinders that the old ones, like some of my knife maker friends get grinders from the 50s and they're like, this thing is awesome. Exactly. The iron is great. Literally the composition of cast iron has changed. There was a really good suburban tool video. I love his videos. Yeah. He went around to a machine rebuilder and they talk about why they restore these old grinders for like 25 or 30 grand because literally the cast iron, it's not like an opinion thing where guys are like, Oh, I like the old stuff. Literally it's better stuff.
00:22:49
Speaker
Oh, then I had the best call ever with Peter's heat treat yesterday. Like what a great example of a company that answers the phone is super excited to talk to you and help and share information. And I've given the very I mean, I've sent like four jobs to them to eat, treat the last few little things. Yeah.
00:23:04
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and we're talking about these fixture plates that we're making for the Tormox and they were so helpful and so nice and he was like try this steel or do this or we'll send us this and we'll do this or and then we started talking about nitriding we started talking about cryogenics like it was great. Did you talk to Brad Stalsmith there? His name was Nate. Nate okay. Yeah Brad I think is the main knife maker guy but you know
00:23:27
Speaker
At Peter's Heatreat there, I've heard huge raving reviews from a lot of people, and they're a huge place in this tiny town of Pennsylvania. Apparently, knife making is 10% of their business, but then they have this 90% of other industrial stuff, and they're just running nonstop. It's awesome.
00:23:44
Speaker
Yeah. And it was nice too, because I was like, help me understand the pricing. And instead of this like, I'll transfer you over to our sales department. He was like, oh, it's 53 bucks for the first 20 pounds at $1.30 every pound after that. I'm like, oh my God, thank you. You just told me everything I need to know in one sentence. Yeah, make it easy. And then, you know, especially with volume, heat treating does not become expensive.
00:24:03
Speaker
Right, right, the anodizing, heat treating, tumbling, all that stuff is cheap, although we do, obviously just got our, we just got a, I think it's the one you have, or no, maybe it's a little bit bigger, it's the
Investing in New Machinery
00:24:13
Speaker
Mr. D Burr. I think yours is the real version of the Chinese knockoff that we have. Got it. So, oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah, it's pretty cool, eh? We just keep throwing things into it, it's great. Yeah. Stepping up to a machine that actually has like a loop system for, for your soap fluid is amazing. Okay, it's actually got a little pump on it.
00:24:33
Speaker
Yeah, we hooked one up with just a bucket and aquarium pump and recirculated. But yeah, that makes a big difference. If you can put a little filter in there to take out the crud, that would be good too. Even just a drain filter. Was yours closed loop or does the coolant that goes through it just get put into a trash bucket? Closed loop. So it just recirculates everything. But you know, those stones, they wear down and they make dirt and grit and the water gets super muddy. So especially your brand new stones, they're going to lose a bunch of stuff right away.
00:25:03
Speaker
Yep. So exciting though. Yeah, it's awesome. And Eric has found out that with more water, you get a shinier stonewash with less water. You get a rougher, like more aggressive, blasted look.
00:25:13
Speaker
Huh. Yeah, so that's good to know. A lot of little tricks involved in that. Didn't you break the axle on yours? Yes. So ours is the $800 Northern Tool version. Right. And I'm assuming yours was not $800. Well, so I thought about buying the $800 one. I really did because I was like, you know, this is my first foray into it. And then the one I bought was a little over two grand.
00:25:35
Speaker
No, and I felt, I just, this guy Brad at MC Finishing was really helping me out, and they are a dealer for Mr. D Burr, and I was like, this is an example where I want his help, and he would've helped me even if I bought the Northern Tool one, I think, because I'd buy the stones and soap from him, but I was like, John, quit being a bootstrapper, like, we're gonna run this thing a ton, and I thought, in the back of my mind, I knew your axle had broken, so I was like, you know what? That was a good idea, I thought there were like three to five thousand for Mr. D Burr, so at two, I'm really impressed with that, I like it.
00:26:03
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I think it was, I have to look, I think it was $2,700 sitting on my floor, like freight, the 300 pounds of media and a sample, two gallons of soap, which still lasts me forever. To ship mine from wherever Northern Tool is in Chicago or something to Canada was pretty expensive. So I actually had it shipped to Lakeshore Carbide and then I just drove there, pick up some end mills, threw it in my trunk and then drove it across the border back. We'll edit that out. That's true, why not?
00:26:32
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That's funny. That's awesome. Does yours work now? Yeah, it's working solid. Eric is certainly nervous about the longevity of it because we rely on it. And if it broke tomorrow and it was unfixable, we'd be in a bit of a tickle. So we're trying to figure out a solution for that. What did you do to the Axle? Or did you fix it? I made a new one. You turned what? Yeah, this was two, three years ago when I had my
00:26:54
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Cormac lathe. No, my grizzly lathe, I think. Go away. I think so, yeah. And I turned this new axle. Is there YouTube video footage of you operating a manual lathe? Oh, we were CNC at the time. Oh, okay. Thank God. But no, I don't think there is footage. That's funny.
00:27:11
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All right, I unfortunately have to go to physical therapy for my Stupid back after that car accident. So I have to run fun times. But yeah, we're just passing 30 minutes here. So we're good Oh, how about that anything crazy going on today anything anything actually bad or whatever? No, it's kind of sad. It's Friday because we're doing so good this week It's awesome. Yeah, I saw the Instagram photo with I've machined up to 112 and Shoot for 300
00:27:38
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That's what, okay, got it. Rock on then, cool. All right, well. Crush it, crush it, bud. You too, good chat today. See ya. All right, take care, bye.