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But, um, yeah, but generally, yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he's, he's such sort of a positive, um, happy guy, a little bit timid, very, very humble though. Um, and yeah, he's, uh, he's quite religious from, from all the interviews that I've, I've watched with him as well. Um, and he says that that, that and his family are the, like two of the things that keep him really grounded.