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"Total Refresh" ACN Pod 132
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Jon, Edie, Ben & Tom say farewell to personnel on and off the pitch, the playoffs, Wembley, players (most of the defence), and guarantee who the next head coach will be. It will be an interesting summer...
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Season Wrap-up and Farewells
00:00:21
Speaker
Welcome to Long Come Knowledge podcast, a brief, basic, flattering, biased, unbalanced, bewilderingly blunt boiling basket of beautiful bye-byes. Edie and John and Ben join me to wave farewell to the season, the playoffs Wagner and a whole host of players. Edie, who would you like to fare the fondest farewell to first? No one quite reached in and enveloped our hearts out of the list.
00:00:49
Speaker
But I would say probably Gibson because actually, unbeknownst to us, he was having a little story of his own go on at points where he might have had a bit of extra criticism from fans. But then he got his goal in. He got his goal.
00:01:09
Speaker
And then that was a lovely moment for me to just sort of see the little engine that could score the one goal. But that is honestly the best I can think of in terms of my impressions of all of the outgoing players, managers, and ground staff, sporting directors. Has there been a ground staff clear out as well? I don't know. You know, people who work in the gift shop, I feel equally
00:01:39
Speaker
Neutron. She deserved it. She deserved it. She could never get the barcode scanner working. Ben, tell me who is your fondest farewell?
00:01:48
Speaker
It's going to be the day at Wembley. I'm really not sentimental about any of these players or staff or anything like that. I'm so ready for this, and dare I say that special word, reset. But for me, I am truly guided that I won't be going to Wembley with my dad. He's one of those people who pretends to not care about the football, but he was showing me how he found this website where he could park near Wembley.
00:02:11
Speaker
I was like, you do care, don't you? And then we didn't get that day. And I could sort of see it on his face. And this is a man who, you know, he was in the role, maybe he was taught to, you know, no emotion. But seeing that little bit of sadness in his eyes really, really got to me. But beyond that, I think with, you know, me and him as well, we're just ready for this cultural reset, the start again, the
00:02:33
Speaker
We need to rebuild what was in place. Maybe. I don't know. It's time. It really is time. But for players, see you later. Good luck. All the best. That's interesting. I think it's big dad energy. I've got that. I've got a car park in space booked as well for Sunday, which you've just reminded me I need to cancel.
00:02:54
Speaker
Now I've got no interest in being in the Wembley area on Sunday. Puntalicious, surely you have got some fond thoughts that you'd like to share on some of the deportations?
00:03:07
Speaker
I would definitely like to give a shout out for the departing third kit this season, which is an absolute thing of beauty and a wonderful homage to, what's that, 92 to 94, something like that. Probably the best shirt that Joma have made for this football club and I do include last season's home kit in that. I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
00:03:30
Speaker
But if you wanted me to pick one of the outgoing players slash head coach was definitely not going to be Wagner. But I've always really liked Demi Yannoulis. I always think that he has applied himself really well that he probably he.
00:03:48
Speaker
He was a really nice fit for Wagner's football in terms of the way in which he was able to attack, the way in which he was able to break presses. He was technically adept enough to do that. But he just came across as like quite a nice bloke as well, didn't he? And in a season where I think the club could be easily criticized for employing a fair few not nice humans, he always seemed like quite a nice human.
00:04:11
Speaker
Yeah, he adds an element of yellow pitch war army about him, which I always liked. I feel like he could easily have fit within one of our more successful, or shall we say, more fondly remembered squads. He's clearly got ability, and he clearly likes to be an attacking fallback, which is always nice to see. And I think consistency-wise,
00:04:38
Speaker
He's turned in very, very few poor performances over his time at the club, which unfortunately for him and us has sort of coincided with some pretty drab periods of play, but rarely has it been down to him.
00:04:54
Speaker
I mean, he was obviously part of the problem early in that bad run that we had under Wagner, where we had that situation where O'Neal Hernandez wasn't allowed to leave the halfway line. And so Gibson would play the ball to Dimi, and then there would be a 40-yard gap between kind of fullback and winger. And the moves kept breaking down from there until they finally stopped playing that way. But that never felt like,
00:05:20
Speaker
None of the ills have ever seen his fault. So I think I agree with you that of the outgoing players, he's probably the one that I feel the most of the shame that he won't be back. Although I miss the fact that McCallum's got a long throw. I liked that every now and again, because we didn't use it that often. It never seemed to be in the plan to kind of create opportunities to use it. Whereas you see some of the more shithouse teams
00:05:50
Speaker
they would almost kind of let the ball roll out because they've got the long throw weapon to use.
00:05:55
Speaker
So therefore, because it didn't happen very often, every now and again, McCallum would pick the ball up level with the penalty area and you'd go, oh yeah, that's right. We've got one of them, haven't we? Something interesting might happen here.
Wagner's Role and Impact
00:06:04
Speaker
So Edie, let's turn our attentions to the kind of most important departure personnel wise, you would say, which is Mr. Wagner. Please, can you rate his time out of 10 in the football club versus particularly where he inherited us?
00:06:26
Speaker
I think he was a very good supply teacher. Nice. Like, you know, no one lost order, we would be in a much worse position. The foundation from which we hope to build would be worse without him.
00:06:44
Speaker
And that's what you want from a supply teacher. You don't want the school's foundations to be worse. Yeah, you don't want them changing or anything. You just want order to be maintained. That would be ballsy as a supply teacher. I know this is geography, but I want us to go in this radical different direction. So give me a rating out of 10. Come on. I would say 6.5. I think 6 would be really stingy, 6.5. Like, you know,
00:07:13
Speaker
He did a fairly, he did some good nudging. He nudged things in the right way. It's time for someone who does more than that. So, you know, time for the purge. Okay. Benjamin, any advances on six and a half for someone who got us to the playoffs? I'm going to agree with the supply teacher statement. That's excellent. I really hope that sort of like straight off the dome rather than preloaded because that's honestly phenomenal.
00:07:43
Speaker
He helped us realize and then helped me realize what I want from an Orange City team. And he gave a lot of fans a lot of good memories. I'm sure we'll remember him as another Norwich manager who didn't lose to Ipswich, but also beat them at one of probably my favorite games at Carrow Road in terms of atmosphere for a long, long time. And you look at those away trips where Norwich almost got bad and bruised, but they pick up those last minute winners as a supporter at those games.
00:08:11
Speaker
You only remember the last minute winner. You don't remember the 89 minutes leading up to what was a painstaking potential 2-2 draw or a 1-0 loss. And it turned into a 3-2 win. And Adam Ida, again, scored a couple of those. And then as a supporter, you can be thankful for those memories.
00:08:27
Speaker
I think it's just back to that point of he aligned me with what I think I want from Norwich, which is to perhaps go back to that more possession based. And I don't know if it's particularly popular these days, you know, like with Ross Martin at Southampton, it's all about possession, possession, possession. Daniel Farquhar managed to sort of find that.
00:08:44
Speaker
formula of possession but also getting the ball forward. Wagner was very clearly about how can we break a press, how can we get over the top and create chances. So he wasn't bad and I think in the next two, three, maybe four years we'll realise how good he probably was for Norwich but not for the reasons he would have liked and he also scores a point because he's not Dean Smith.
00:09:12
Speaker
Okay. Come in and punt. You don't like Wagner. You've never liked Wagner. You agreed to be kind to him because of him being a nice bloke and also because he did what no coach has ever done in our living memory anyway and gone from you don't know what you're doing to having his name sung positively again. So what is your final report card on the supply teacher?
00:09:37
Speaker
I'm probably going to be a bit more generous than both Edie and Ben. I'd probably give him a 7 out of 10. Purely for the miraculous comeback that was David Wagner's Norwich City from November 2023 to pretty much the end of April 2024.
00:09:57
Speaker
I've never ever seen a manager lose a crowd to that extent and get it back. And I'm talking about at any football club, and it is quite the feat that either he was able to do that or
00:10:12
Speaker
as we may be led to believe, there was a player meeting and there was a frank discussion and everyone kind of decided on a way forward and they just went for it and came collectively together as a group to try and arrest the slide. But look, you have to give him credit for that and you have to give him credit for, as we've said on this pod many times, immediately understanding the importance of supporter engagement and actually making sure that the fans were acknowledged. And he only really once
00:10:42
Speaker
kind of steered away from that course where he had a bit of a go at the fans in one of his presses. But apart from that, he's come across as a really decent human. He's a thoroughly likeable bloke. He's probably got us a pass score this season in terms of where this squad could have been expected to have finished in terms of sixth. But the supply teacher analogy is perfect. This is always
00:11:09
Speaker
And again, we've said it for so long. This has always felt so temporary. And as soon as Ben Nappa came to the football club, head coaches don't last under a new sporting director. So this had to happen from what we're led to believe, you know, from everything that the local press is saying. It has pretty much been decided for a fairly long period of time that it was going to happen. So the fact that he was able to
00:11:34
Speaker
keep a group motivated and keep himself motivated and get a team into the playoffs again you know is even more remarkable so fair play to the lad. It's not the possibility though that the announcement by Weber that he was on his way out seemed to align with the bounce back. It's just something I kind of in terms of
00:11:59
Speaker
the performance of the team. Is it actually due to managerial reasons or was it a morale boost? Was that then discounted? The day that the form turned, I think, I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's Cardiff away. And that was Stuart Weber's last game at the football club. I'm fairly sure where he got his... Guard of honour. Yeah, there you go. And then it all turned.
00:12:22
Speaker
So maybe it is maybe I am a natural wields more influence than we thought yeah, we love a conspiracy theory and okay, so I'm gonna let's run through the the next manager so Ben and We've got Thorpe who is four to five or five to four on? Resin you who looks more likely to go Birmingham now rather than us He's at seven to four will still as four to one
00:12:47
Speaker
Carlos Cuesta, unfortunately, who I think is the most attractive candidate, is six to one. Can you please now guarantee for the long-term knowledge listeners who the next manager of NeroCity will be? No. I'm not even going to try. That's a shame.
00:13:05
Speaker
Give me a day I might be able to pull some strings. No, I think it's about characteristics for me. It's about someone who wants to be here. It's someone who recognizes what Norwich City is and let's not get carried away with what it is. But like, you know, how we had Dean Smith after that fabulous far career. Dean Smith, it was very much a rebound. I don't want that kind of person. I don't think we'll get that kind of person.
00:13:34
Speaker
It's about someone who has a clear philosophy, and what that is is really up for debate, to be honest with you. I'm so down for this young underdog trying to prove a point. I wouldn't mind Liam Rosina, to be honest with you. I think there was a bit of impatience from Hull in the sense of what was he given, like 18 months to do what Daniel Farker did over a number of years to a degree. And I know he's had some important science, had some good science,
00:14:03
Speaker
some decent resources, but he would be young, he would be willing to try and prove a lot of people wrong. It's a guy who knows the division. I really wouldn't oppose it. Will Steele is the name I keep hearing. I don't really know much about him. I don't understand if he was sacked from his job or not. I know it's a mutual consent, but it's never, unless it may be his mutual consent, I don't know.
00:14:25
Speaker
Cuesta is the one that seems really exciting. But what are we saying that one is that connection is severed or? Well, just that the odds are getting longer and there's more people going in front of him now in the betting. You also I think if it was going to be an almost immediate appointment, then it would have made sense that it was him. I read some
00:14:52
Speaker
bump this morning around, Norwich are still keen to talk to other candidates, so the Thorpe thing isn't completely done. But that was literally just reading nonsense online rather than whispers from any clever sources. Edie, do you agree that it's about characteristics that because we're not
00:15:13
Speaker
We're not the sort of name as a team that means we can demand a name. We're not going to say, oh, I think it should be Pochettino, or I think it should be, you know. We're not a name brand, so we can't attract a name brand. Therefore, we have to focus more on the kind of the character traits of our next leading character.
00:15:31
Speaker
I think, so number one, it's really important they don't really know anything about Norwich because it's actually easier to get the hang of us from a sort of blank piece of paper. But secondly, I think it's the soft skills. And I think the mire, the quagmire that we found ourselves in was due to
00:15:55
Speaker
terrible, not even poor communication, like terrible communication. Huge amounts of static noise being generated, confusing ideals, borderline gaslighting, forced positivity. We just need someone, like Ben says, who can actually define what they want and communicate that consistently.
00:16:21
Speaker
and then leave this pack of individuals in that direction and understand what's expected of them so that they can vibe off each other, anticipate each other's decisions and moves and maybe play some slightly more joined up instinctive football.
Managerial Prospects and Changes
00:16:42
Speaker
It's all about communication.
00:16:45
Speaker
Communication is what you need if you want to be a knowledge manager. John, come and then guarantee it. Guarantee the next knowledge manager. Go. I've got quite a strong feeling now that it's going to be, I don't really know how you say his name, so I'm going to say Johannes Hof Torup. I reckon that's probably it. You're going Torup. Torup. I reckon it's Torup. It'll be Thorup until Chris Gorham tells me otherwise.
00:17:08
Speaker
It sounds a bit like Thorpe though, Thorpe St. Andrew. Yeah, Thorpe St. Andrew. Yes, beautiful. There you go.
00:17:19
Speaker
I think it will be him. I think there was weekend noises from I think national journalists that Norwich were looking to employ someone who might need a work permit and it isn't necessarily definite that he'd get a work permit. Torrops and Andrew seems like he does need a work permit and isn't guaranteed to get a work permit so I think that may be
00:17:42
Speaker
that narrative about wanting to speak to other candidates might just be simply around the fact that he's our plan A, but actually plan A is not definitely viable yet. So plan B, C and D need to be in the building as well.
00:17:57
Speaker
Will Still's a really interesting one. I'm kind of all in for that, apart from the fact that he only won two of his last 14 games in France. And that kind of worries me that was someone who came in and had an immediate impact and then kind of lost his way with a dressing room. Don't know.
00:18:16
Speaker
But Torrup excites me because I don't know anything about him. And that's almost like Daniel Farker came out of nowhere and it was exciting because all we knew about him was that he'd got promoted from a regional division in Germany with Dortmund's reserves. That was literally it. That's all we knew and that he liked riding a horse. Well, he didn't actually like riding a horse in the end, but he was made to ride a horse.
00:18:42
Speaker
that lipstick. That's it. That's all we knew and we were all brought in on it. I think the thing for me now is it's not necessarily, so Ben Napper is clearly a man who doesn't really want to talk that much and so we need to be, we need to judge him on his actions.
00:19:04
Speaker
He's sacked two head coaches since he's been at Norwich City Football Club, both of whom you could say he's acted fairly decisively in terms of the women's coach when Martin Herdman left. I mean, that still remains a mystery, but the reasons behind that.
00:19:19
Speaker
Seem to be mythical in nature and I will what he believed in dragons. Yeah, exactly But actually, you know the club now have to get a decision right in terms of that head coach and they have to get a head coach appointments Correct for the men's team as well So we are now in a period where we are very much able to judge Ben Nappa by his actions and the next kind of few weeks or so when
00:19:45
Speaker
it's his his vision is starting to crystallize and he's going to have to talk a little bit about what he expects the new head coaches to be able to to do and to achieve um will tell us a lot about but what ben napper's narrative is going to be it's interesting really you mentioned he's going to have to talk about what he wants from the next head coach
00:20:06
Speaker
Stewart Webber would have sat down with the media by now and said, and this is who I'm looking for, and this is what we need to have. So actually, I hadn't done that until he would have done that until he'd have appointed a head coach. I think given he wasn't expecting it to happen to me. Yes, if he wasn't expecting it to be immediately, if he wasn't, unless he was expecting it to be immediately, I think he would have done the Thorup.
00:20:32
Speaker
kind of element around work permit really concerns me. To me, it's whilst I accept we have to shop in the unproven aisle of the manager supermarket, why also add in as well as unproven and gamble, why also add in and actually might end up meaning we have to go for plan B at relatively short notice and it can't be that good a plan B because all of the other plan A's will be taken by the clubs.
00:21:02
Speaker
So it seems to me foolhardy to go after someone who you don't get assurances from whatever embassy it needs to be. Maybe you can live in the Colombian embassy and sort of get a bus to Colney. But unless you get that approval that it's going to happen,
00:21:20
Speaker
to me, that's just a red flag. I think I don't want that. I want certainty. We want to be signing Panamanians. We want to be building a squad that is kind of signed off on and agreed with a manager. So I would say if Rossini wants it, give it Rossini because he knows the club. We know that he wants to play the right style of football.
00:21:42
Speaker
to the extent that he's willing to stand by his beliefs when an impatient chairman or owner wants to play a more direct style and more aggressive style. I respect that, especially as it's the ones that I would like us to play. I want us to have the ball. I want us to dominate games.
00:21:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'd rather have a known quantity from a legal standpoint, even, you know, an immigration standpoint, even, even if he never seen you hasn't won any silverware yet. But there's, there's two things I want to say on that. So the first is, for all we know, those soft conversations with, you know, kind of the people that you need to apply to for work permits may already be happening. Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm sure that's where you go. Yeah.
00:22:24
Speaker
But two, Liam Rosini, I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing, whether it's in the pros or cons for that particular lad. He was proper salty about both results against Norwich this season. I don't know if I do because it wasn't really steeped in any kind of accuracy.
00:22:46
Speaker
I don't know whether this lad's a bit of a sore loser and he's just going to be pissy about things. I've always liked him as a pundit and thought he spoke an absolute sense. I just don't know as a head coach.
00:22:57
Speaker
I think he's probably achieved pretty much a pass score with the resources that he's had. And some would argue that he should have made the playoffs with the individuals that he signed this season. Whereas I'm expecting, as Ben had talked about a little bit earlier, like that overachieving underdog, that's what I'm after as a new Norris City manager, our new head coach.
00:23:18
Speaker
And I don't know if that's Tor, you know, like it might not be him. He might not be an overachiever, but I think that's what I want us to go out and get. Well, what if what if the previous achievement was the overachievement and then what we get is back to the mean? I mean, the kind of counter to those senior points is you assume he had some kind of say in signing those players. So if he signed players that were so good that that meant that he should achieve good things in the league, then well done him for being the manager who signed those players. And also didn't get the best out of him.
00:23:48
Speaker
But he did. He nearly got them to the playoffs. And let's have it right down to the last day, mathematically, certainly down to the last couple of games. If it wasn't for Norwich going on a frankly ridiculous run that matched one of the teams that should also have gone up leads and still might, then they probably would have been in the playoffs. Hull imploded in fairness. And I think that, again, is when the pressure started to tell, I think Hull kind of went right off the boil.
00:24:18
Speaker
I don't know, they stayed within, they stayed within, they didn't go that far away from our last four or five results. Yeah, but our last kind of three or four results weren't particularly favorable, were they? Like they should have made the playoffs from the position they were in. There's no doubt in my mind they should have made the playoffs with the individuals that they had at their disposal. And that's the question mark for me over a senior is that
00:24:44
Speaker
I think he could be a really great young progressive coach. I'm just not sure that we've seen that from him yet. But I haven't seen it from Torrop either, or Will Still, or anyone else that we're likely to have as a manager, unfortunately, until we've got some modicum of success and we can actually go after people who have proven it until we're sort of a destination employer again.
00:25:12
Speaker
So, Ben, looking ahead to this summer, we've obviously got a very likely-looking rumour with this Cordoba Panama International 22. Again, work permit might be an issue, so you'd have to use one of our exemptions, which is a thing I didn't know that we had to have, but apparently, if that's a thing that you can have a couple of exemptions this season for people who can't get a work permit normally, then great, we'll use one of them.
00:25:40
Speaker
So left sided defence is obviously a really important place for us to strengthen. Where else do you think is the number one priority for NAPPA and the incoming manager in terms of strengthening for next year? I think they really need to, and I say they referring to the recruitment team, I think they need to try and, it's such an easy thing to sit here as a fan say, but they need to find that gem that gets everyone on board with the regime because
00:26:09
Speaker
fairly quickly, Stuart Webber, Kieran Scott and all that had the Timu Pukki, they had the Buendia and I appreciate the season before of going through a lot of shit for lack of a better phrase, but you had Ranjit Chin there who developed over the season, you had those players, but I don't know, I want to see the age profile reduced massively and it's the same concept as with the manager and we're going to have to understand that if we now go and sign
00:26:39
Speaker
And I appreciate I'm dodging around your question here. But if we now go and sign 12, 13, 14 players, which probably unlikely, but not everyone is going to be great. As is the case with the head coach, this next head coach, we don't like, I don't think we should have the expectation that it should be like weather with Daniel Barker and nailed on straight away. Um, so for me, rather than like sit here and thinking, Oh, we need a left wing or all we need a central midfielder. I think we just need a group of players who with a mixture of, um,
00:27:09
Speaker
dare I say that word that dreaded word experience but you want that element of youth that injection of at the very least which I hate that I sit here and say this but because it should be the bare minimum for a footballer but like this idea of trying to prove a point that said I want to see like a striker but as to what the profile of that striker is
00:27:32
Speaker
I'll probably wait and see who the head coach is and how they outline their style of football. None of us have really said about how if this new head coach comes in, they've got to spell out to the fans, not in-depth tactical analysis, but we need to know what to expect. We need to know what we're getting behind because we are having this big reset again. So for me, I'd like to see a striker. I keep hearing pieces of content and reading things that talk about Sargent as if he's gone already.
00:28:00
Speaker
Adam Eda, again, probably likely to go. Ashley Barnes. I'm scared to say anything about Ashley Barnes in case he just comes and clubbers me one. But I think a striker is quite important because it's the focal point of your team. You've seen the difference between Norwich with an informed Timu Puke, prolific striker, and you've seen Norwich without that.
00:28:26
Speaker
the bones don't really change, the system, the structure doesn't really change, but when you take out the focal point of that is...
00:28:34
Speaker
borderline game over. So for me, it's striker to actually finally answer your question, Tom. Okay. Well, speaking of, I mean, I think getting the age profile down is really important, but it's going to be a struggle when you give Duffy three-year deal and you've given Barnes a two-year deal. So Barnes and Duffy aren't going anywhere. And Edie, same question to you, but obviously bear in mind that they're going to sort striker because Ben's told them to. Where else should they focus?
00:29:04
Speaker
I don't think we've got the right talents in the big lad area. I was really hoping that Duffy could kind of fit that kind of halt kind of arena of just someone who was pure shit house but also had a little bit of bend in them. I don't think Duffy has any bend. There's no kind of flexibility there is there or indeed sense of humor. So
00:29:32
Speaker
Yeah, I think in terms of like we could have various managers flitting it out, but having a really solid, just a hefty, hefty man. Is Hanley a hefty enough man for you? He is, but I feel like his star is waning. And also he's just sort of, I think he's sort of like reversed into the hedge,
00:29:59
Speaker
of late, he doesn't seem to be quite as central, like we need like a tent pole and that's that's where as well like you saw flashes of it from Dimmy as well so he's off so I think we just need some more kind of solid yet kind of comforting
00:30:18
Speaker
support of younger players, because if we're going to like suck in all this talent from the academy, we've got to like really induct them into the world of grown up football, you do need like a few safe grown ups around to kind of support that. So yeah, that's it's it's more of a personality than a position.
00:30:40
Speaker
Okay, I love that. So, Punt, on the personality overposition, we obviously threw the no dickhead policy out of the window last summer, and that's been... It didn't exist. It was... I think there was a genuine... It was a throne of lies that we sat on. Lies and dickheads. Okay, I don't think... Maybe it was a throne of dicks. A throne of dicks.
00:31:09
Speaker
Yes, so I don't agree. I think there was a genuine push for the right type of character and that was the way it was tried to be phrased. However, we certainly didn't seem to be as picky on that side of things last summer.
00:31:28
Speaker
We are clobbered with some contracts that are going to run out. So, Hanley's another one who's here through the end of next year as well. So, the end of next season as well. So, end of July currently is his deal. If we are expecting to lose a couple of decent players, then that's going to fund hopefully some movement inwards.
Player Departures and Team Future
00:31:48
Speaker
So, because we've already sorted the personalities and we've sorted to striker, it's a different question to you, punt.
00:31:55
Speaker
Who are the two, because it's probably going to be at least two, who are the two that you guarantee of our crown jewels are leaving us and people therefore need to start to get ready to either burn the shirt, frame the shirt or get ready to fall in love with new heroes? Which two of our starlets will no longer adorn Carrow Road's turf? We talked about this last pod. I cannot see Gabrielle Sarah being here at the start of next season. I just think that
00:32:23
Speaker
His star has shone too brightly this season and the amount of goals that he's been involved in, but not only that, the amount of games that he's grabbed by the scruff of his neck and just driven nourish towards three points or just come up with moments of magic.
00:32:41
Speaker
His showreel for this season must be ridiculous. The amount of brilliant goals that he scored should be enough for some of the lazier scouts in the Premier League or La Liga or Bundesliga to recommend him to their respective teams. So he's off. The only thing for me is
00:33:02
Speaker
actually what what do the transfer fees start with you know is it a two or a three because we really need the money but there's not actually that much money floating around in football nowadays and the financial fair play of the Premier League and points deductions might I don't know might cripple some teams next season I'm not quite sure how they're gonna I know they're gonna shake it up but so I think Sarah to answer your question is off
00:33:26
Speaker
And then I think it's really who we get decent bids for, because it's one of three, isn't it really, in terms of gun, sarge or row. I would have thought row stalling over a contract. What about science? I think in terms of edited highlights, science could put together a pretty decent two and a half minute reel to get another gig in Spain.
00:33:48
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's fair. I think you could definitely edit him to a position where he would look like a really favorable sign-in. But I also think that anyone who watches him over a 90-minute period realizes he's still pretty raw. And Wagner has actually improved his defensive output, I think, loads, which is one of the things that Wagner's coaching has given us.
00:34:12
Speaker
But he just he always feels to me the kind of he's the type of winger that just holds onto the ball for a millisecond too long and then attacks don't develop as quickly as they could as a result of that. But he's got magic in his boots in terms of his finishing. So I really like him as a player. I think that there's some way to go in terms of his coaching. And I think that.
00:34:32
Speaker
play teams in the top flights of of Europe European leagues Want to sign players who are ready and I think I think John Rowe Or Sarge are probably the readiest to go straight into a Premier League team John Rowe that I really can't get behind the wanting to sign Johnny Rowe bit like if I was any Premier League team I just I don't think I'd even but be asked to really take a punt and that's not just from like a
00:35:01
Speaker
perspective of if he's any good at football is the fact that he seems to be quite injury prone as well. I just look at the characteristics, positive and a bit more sort of negative. And I think it's, it's a little bit like that. Oh, sorry. It's a little bit like one of the ways no one can see me doing it. Yeah, it's brilliant. Yeah. Sorry. This is all new for me. Oh man. Do you know what? I'm surprised it took
00:35:29
Speaker
35 minutes to bring that up. But if I'm a Premier League scout, and if we're talking about lazy Premier League scouts, I'm just thinking, right, here's why, here's why we wouldn't. And if I see that here's why we wouldn't, I immediately look to someone else. And that is a desperate attempt to get him to stay because he needs a full season at Norwich. I wonder whether the fee might have something to do with that. So I think if we'd have been talking about in January, John Rowe going for 20 to 25 million, you'd have gone, well, that's probably an appropriate price bracket now with his injury.
00:35:59
Speaker
the fact that he didn't come back and hit the ground running, I don't know, maybe you're putting him more in like that 10 to 15 million pounds bracket. Which they wouldn't sell him for. I don't know. No, they wouldn't. I genuinely think you might get into late July and it would be like, right, we haven't had an offer for Sara, we haven't had a palatable offer for Sarge and we haven't had an offer on Gunny.
00:36:18
Speaker
like what do we do because actually let's be frank we are desperate for cash. Do you think like a newly promoted club would try and snap him up because that's the only viable option I would see because I don't see how any I don't know like any team can get relegated but there is this constant like if you go up you come down I think the only team that would take a punt is someone like
00:36:39
Speaker
maybe a Daniel Farka, but I don't know why. It's just a gut feeling. I don't see him going, which I sound like I'm disappointed about. I'd be really happy to see him play for Norwich next season under the guise of he has the same start, but gets the chance to finish it and then maybe signs a new contract, then gets sold for 25-30. I'm all for that. I'm just right here and now when we're talking about players who definitely will leave,
00:37:06
Speaker
I think it's got to be, as you guys say, it's got to be Sara, but I really don't know who else the second option would be. I think it's a one from three and I think it is really about who comes in with money, decent money for any of those players, but I think with Rowe, his contractual status, what's he got like a year or two left after this and he's stalling over a new deal?
00:37:25
Speaker
And apparently he has got a fairly active agent. I think that might be what sees him as the one, because he can make all the Instagram posts you want about how much he loves it here, but he loves being in the limelight. That's really clear. And the glare of the Premier League is probably way more of an earlier than actually being the shining light for Nouri City.
00:37:46
Speaker
He's the most ambitious of the three, for sure, and the most focused, I think. The other two, I think, are daft enough to be persuaded that they could have longer-term pathways, they could build an even bigger reputation here without having to struggle for match time. Jonathan Rowe just wants to go to London.
00:38:09
Speaker
Yeah, he's got the shortest contract of them all. I mean, we've only got a year in his contract. So if he doesn't sign an extension, he is very much one where you think, well, we do not want to be in a situation where in January we can be bullied to taking nine million for him. And also to your point, Ben, if he stubs his toe in training, but
00:38:32
Speaker
If Napa can persuade him to sign an extended deal and he ends up staying, then that is a huge boost for the new manager to have him to deploy. The way that I'm trying to frame the new season, in my own mind, is unless we have a massive fire sale,
00:38:54
Speaker
which would come with it more cash to reinvest in the squad so it would sort of be okay as well because we need so much turnover of players I feel. It's already started because we've got rid of nearly all of the defence. I feel like I'm going to get to go to Carrow Road in August or early September depending on how the fixtures are home and away.
00:39:17
Speaker
and I'm going to get to watch probably two or maybe even three of Sarge, Science, Sara, Ro, Gun, McLean,
00:39:32
Speaker
Um, Kamara, you know, there are exciting, great championship players out of that bunch of people who could easily be part of a championship winning team playing good football. And it needs maybe a few, I mean, I'm conscious. I haven't named any defenders there. So we clearly need to sign some defenders, but you know, we, we, we've got the, the, the potential spine of a really good.
00:40:02
Speaker
title winning team, even if we remove a couple of those, it all is just down to how that money is reinvested. And like I say, if Gunn goes to a Premier League team, if, but again, to your point, Ben, I don't think Gunn is going to sit on anyone's bench. I think he sort of, I feel like he feels like he tried that already and it didn't really work out for him. I honestly think it's going to take
00:40:29
Speaker
we are buying you to be number one. I honestly think it's going to take maybe someone getting injured in preseason or something like that before the window closes, before the combination of us getting enough money and enough time left in the window to replace him. And there's no way that Gun is number one for his country. There's no way he needs to be doing anything other than playing first team football.
00:40:53
Speaker
And I can't think of a Premier League, and it would have to be Premier League. I can't think of a Premier League team where he would be the undisputed number one. Do you see what I mean? I really do think... Well, I don't know. They quite like their keeper, don't they? He's crap, though. He seemed a bit shit with his feet, but it was good enough to beat us for now. Who is that? I also can't bear the fact that that keeper kit is horrific.
00:41:22
Speaker
and such a bad color clash. You didn't change that in the summer. You haven't prevented anyone ever from advancing their career in goalkeeping. I wasn't talking about Gun, I've already moved, I've already moved, I have already moved, we were talking about the Leeds goalkeeper but I'd already closed the book on Gun moving, I'm now talking, you made me think about the Leeds keeper so that just reminds me of the awful kick clash.
00:41:43
Speaker
So yeah, I think we're definitely going to have a few of those to say. But it definitely feels like a summer where we could have a number of very, very interesting storylines bubbling along over the coming weeks. So let's wrap up with a short, sharp response to a simple question coming to you first, Edie. I know short and sharp, you'd rather go on an analogy about a rabbit in Wonderland with a
00:42:12
Speaker
who likes Venetian blinds, but... Short, sharp... Five dimensions, baby. There you go. Let Edie do the analogies, mate. This is why I can't compete with the analogies in the analogy contests. So, short, sharp, what is the thing you're most looking forward to about this summer for Norwich City? Doing it properly. Love that. Ben? Yeah. New home kit. Hated this year's. Awful, horrible. See you later.
00:42:41
Speaker
You haven't got to suck up to punt. You've already got his number, like, John. I was going to say the home kit and total refresh. I think that's just going to feel so lovely to have the hope of the football club being something different to what it's been for the last 18 to 24 months.
Looking Forward to Football Summer
00:43:03
Speaker
Amen. Enjoy the summer, everyone. Mind, there you go.