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This Week in Animation 6-8-23 Spider-Verse & More!
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On this week's edition of Animation's Deliberation's This Week In Animation, we talk about Across The Spider-Verse, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, TMNT: Mutant Mayhem and more!!
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Introduction and Host Updates
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This week on Animation, we got record-breaking movies, stupidly beautiful anime, and lots of feedback to talk about. Right up to these ads, we have no control over. Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah.
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Yeah, welcome back to another episode of Animation Deliberation, the podcast where we take action animation and cartoon seriously, but not too seriously. We are your hosts. I am Zuhara Lee. And my name is Jay Scottie Sinclair.
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And despite all the content we've been covering and all the shows we've been guesting on and all the things we've been talking about, we have not lost our voices. There's plenty to talk about still, and we're here for it. How you doing, buddy? I'm good. I think this is my sixth podcast in a week. But like you said, I'm still here. I'm still excited. Still got my voice. I'm ready to go. How about you? Same. This is five for me with the request for one more. I'm just kind of like, oh, I don't know if I'm down for that yet.
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But we don't turn down our own show. Of course not. Of course not.
Spider-Verse Performance and Comparisons
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All right. So one of the things that we've talked about a lot on our show and over other shows is the hype that is Spider-Verse. Wait, no, Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse. Excuse me. What more do we have to say about it? Oh, I mean, it's such a good time to be a fan of animated content and specifically a fan of like comic book
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adaptations that's animated content because the people have spoken. People are here for Spider-Verse. We see it in its opening numbers. We see it in our own numbers.
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So the fervor is there. And I'm still riding that high. So we still have a few more things to say about it. First of all, I do want to promote the fact that we had a crossover episode with the MCU cast, where we had Matthew Carroll from the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast come on and just basically do a full breakdown of Across the Spider-Verse with us. And that was a ton of fun. And I definitely encourage people that are listening right now, if they haven't listened to that episode, to go back.
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and check out our thoughts and just listen to us gush speculate laugh maybe cry a little bit yeah but aside from that we do you know talking about these numbers and talking about what kind of a fever pitch there is for this thing let's just give a little bit of update on the numbers so at the
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The time of this recording, the film has grossed nearly $236 million worldwide, which is, it's been out for a week if you include the Thursday night premiere, which is pretty crazy. And in that time, it's already out grossed Morbius' entire run. And maybe that's like comparing apples and oranges, but it's still noteworthy, I think.
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I imagine it just didn't take much effort. That's fair. I mean, it says a lot about this movie, but it also says a lot about Sony and the effort that they've been putting into their own content, right? Like they're forcing these Spider-Man spinoff projects in order to try to compete with Marvel. And as we've talked about, it's like when you give
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people who are passionate about projects, just the right to do whatever they feel fit, because they're just expressing themselves creatively, then you get a lot more out of it. We're seeing that a lot with just a lot of, you know, the fact that a Barbie movie has this much hype right now, just because it's on people having a good time. It shows how much you can actually get out of this stuff if you actually just take a second to sit back and playing and, you know, have have people who enjoy the stuff that you're trying to promote work on those things.
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Pretty interesting to me, the fact that comparing this to Morbius, that Sony can put out something like Morbius, and then they can put out something like Across the Spider-Verse, and it comes to us from the same studio. And I do think about the fact that this movie has already outgrossed Morbius' entire run. I think back, and you mentioned Barbie, and that's what kind of made me think of it too, but Morbius became such a meme, the whole it's Morban time thing overtook the internet to the point where Sony, or somebody at Sony, I won't, you know,
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Yeah, it's...
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I don't know who it directed to blame, but they re-released Morbius in theaters months after it had already come out. I think it was already available on streaming and for purchase. They were like, oh, we're going to capitalize on this whole meme thing and be a part of the joke. It just did not land at all. It did abysmally. They were the joke. Yeah, pretty much.
Speculation on Spider-Verse Future
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But in addition to the great numbers that's already pulled in, as far as the opening goes, it is the largest increase ever for an opening weekend between the first two films of the comic book franchise. And that's with a whopping 240% increase over into the Spider-Verse's opening weekend. The only
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couple of films that come close is The Dark Knight and it was at 224% over Batman Begins. So like The Dark Knight trilogy and particularly The Dark Knight, like I remember how much excitement there was for that. So the fact that, I mean, we're a couple of years removed. This isn't adjusted for inflation. So, you know, take that into consideration too. But the fact that we're even like comparing these two trilogies at this point in time, it's like crazy to me.
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And with how much he animated content gets, the fact that we're comparing an animated film to one of the most popular live action films is pretty wild.
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Yeah, definitely, definitely. And just to plug that episode of Multiverse News that we appeared on earlier this week, animation deliberation was represented strongly on Multiverse News this week with myself and Zuhair being present. But I mentioned how this was the third best opening weekend for any Spider-Man franchise.
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I did misspeak when I brought that up though, so it's only behind No Way Home I Got Correct, but the other film that it's only behind is Spider-Man 3, oddly enough. So that film wasn't received all that well, but at least there was excitement for it coming off the heels of Spider-Man 2.
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Yeah, I can only imagine where beyond the Spider-Verse is going to land and all that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because we're this close with the second moving compared to the third of the other trilogies. Ho. Yeah. Ho is right. Yeah. All right. And I just want to give a light potential spoiler warning if you're still listening at this point and you have not seen Spider-Verse. Get out there. Go catch this thing.
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Just hit that skip 30 second button a couple times. Yeah, just a few times. But yeah, we're going to get into some of the things we've learned about the production of Across the Spider-Verse and some of the things that may influence the future of this trilogy and this franchise.
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The first thing that I have to bring up is that across the Spider-Verse co-director, Kent Powers, has revealed that the filmmakers originally had an entire, or maybe multiple entire live action sequences planned, but those were ultimately cut. So we didn't really get specific details about what these live action sequences included, but it just like, I think it begs the question, like could one of these sequences feature Tom Holland or one of the other live action Spider-Men?
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Is that even something we want to see in Beyond the Spider-Verse? I mean, I think we all want to see that, but, you know, what do you think?
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I think I wouldn't mind seeing it to the extent that we did see Mrs. Chen from Venom in this because that was quick. It was fun. It didn't take away from the overall plot of the story. I enjoyed watching it and then we just kind of like moved on. And we even had those moments where we did see
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Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield. It's like, Oh my God, it's a scene from the movie. Like we know that. So to be able to see like some level of interaction, whether it be like cutting through universes, like we did with Lego a little bit, like there's, there's ways that it could be fun and not take too much away. If it's to that extent, then yeah, that'd be cool to see in the next movie. Yeah. I'm kind of on the same page with you. If it's like a short sequence where we're like visiting another
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universe and kind of like a snapshot or something like that. Like the Lego comparison I think was perfect. If it was something like that, be fully on board. If it's anything more than that, I would be a little concerned that it's kind of getting away from its roots as like an animated film and maybe like leaning into the Who Framed Roger Rabbit, which I love, but that's just a different kind of movie.
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Yeah, and we've put so much time and effort into building up the characters that we have in this movie in such a beautiful way that I wouldn't want them to lose all of that for a trope of seeing somebody who's had their time in their movies.
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Yeah, I think that's a really fair point. These movies are like, the first one was miles far and away, but I think the second one made strides in making like Gwen an equal protagonist alongside Miles. And then of course you got Peter B. Parker in the background as well, being that lovable guy we're all rooting for as well. So I agree with you. I wouldn't want it to take away from their
Current State of Superhero Films
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character journeys. Plus we have Spider-Man Noir and Spider-Ham returning.
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And they need all the screen time they can get as well because we missed them. And across the Spider-Verse, as great as across the Spider-Verse was, I definitely missed them. So yeah, I wouldn't mind our three Spider-Man coming in an animated form, though, like if they just really have voices for the same. I don't want it to take away too much, but it would be cool to see them in some capacity.
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Yeah, even if live action Tom Holland didn't show up, if they take maybe the version that appeared in What If or even the upcoming Spider-Man freshman year, that could be kind of cool to keep it in the animated realm. And I think that also might be a good solution because we kind of talked about how these movies were made back to back across the Spider-Verse and beyond the Spider-Verse, which is why we still expect to get it less than a year away.
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If, if that kind of cameo was something that would, and this kind of speaks to the next story we're going to talk about here in a second, but if a cameo with a live action Tom Holland was something that kind of happened at the last minute.
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something I read here recently that kind of concerns me as far as that goes. It doesn't concern me too much because I'm very much a proponent of like not letting my wishes and desires like become my expectations and then impact my enjoyment of what they actually deliver. But I guess Tom Holland has gone on record saying he's going to take like a year off off of acting after the last TV show he did. I guess it took like a real toll on him emotionally. So might be a loophole to get him in some animated form.
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Yeah, that's not the first time he's brought up comments like that before too. There was another report like a while ago, I think it was after they finished the MCU movie for him, along the lines of him wanting to like settle down for a little bit. Sure. Like start building a family and do this and that. Sure. A lot of people were like, Zendaya, is there something you want to tell us? And then that meant like, is she slowing down? So yeah, I think he may be a little fatigued right now. So
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I mean, if he decides to join the animated realm, like we will welcome him with open arms, but at the same time, like they're humans too. So I guess whatever they need to do to kind of like decompress and come back with the best content that they can provide. For sure. 100% support that. But yeah, the little other tidbit that I teased is like speaking of live action cameos.
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the co-director, Kim Powers, also explained to us that the Donald Glover, Aaron Davis as the Prowler cameo, that didn't come to fruition until like the 11th hour. And they actually had a version of this film that was featured in audience preview screenings where they had a cardboard cutout of Glover instead of him actually like
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being there in live action interacting so i just thought that was interesting and funny and made me appreciate the fact that we actually got that like it was it wasn't a big like character story moment but it was one of those like easter eggs and cameos that was just like a cheer out loud in the theater kind of moment
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Yeah, that's definitely been a loose thread for a while, but people then wanted to see on screen, especially with how wonderful of an actor he is. So while I still do want to see him more of him like in that live action realm, I'm very happy with what we got of him and very happy that they were able to make that work. Yeah, me too. Me too.
00:12:49
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Alright and the last thing i've got as far as spider verse goes is we were just kinda talking about tom hall and maybe some of the fatigue he's been experiencing. But there's been this whole notion of superhero fatigue i think the success of spider verse combined with the strong numbers we've seen from guardians of the galaxy volume three.
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just further cements the fact that superhero fatigue is not necessarily like a real thing. And the producers of the Spider-Verse movies had some comments on that and they basically kind of gave a warning in this interview they had with Variety where they said like
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moviegoers aren't going to be sustained on Easter eggs and multiverse stakes alone. You have to have character and care about the characters and the characters that are on screen and what they're going through in order for this to keep going. And they said something to the effect. If you have the same plots with the same visuals for every film, it's only natural that people are going to get bored.
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And they kind of went on record really praising James Gunn for the way that he has kept the genre alive and fresh with not just the Guardian films, but the Suicide Squad film that he did. And I think that just bodes really well. James Gunn and Lord and Miller are creators that I really like. And the fact that between DC and Spider-Man, it seems like both of these
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properties are in pretty good hands. And we've, you know, long said in Feige we trust, but I don't want to be like a naysayer or anything like that. I've enjoyed phase four and phase five, but maybe Feige could take a page out of Lord and Miller and Gunn's book. Yeah. Yeah. As
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long time fans of anime like we're used to good story building and good well storytelling and universe building because we've seen shows that have gone you know over 10 to 15 years and maintaining the environments that they've built so the bar is pretty high
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in regards, I mean, we see like, DC live action struggle with it. We see the the difficulties that the animated realm has, like the animated universe was great, but everything coming out straight to Blu-ray didn't get the attention. Young Justice does a fantastic job, but they keep getting
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you know, canned for silly political reasons, like political studio-wise reasons, so there's long gaps, it's hard to maintain consistency. And while Marvel did have a phenomenal run with the Infinity Saga,
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Not only is the action part of it a little cookie-cuttery, but they've tried to explore different genres at the same time. So it's not like we're putting a special twist on the action and then trying out new genres. It's a matter of like,
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They've already established that they're doing something that not everyone's going to be on board with right away, adding a horror element, adding a sitcom element, adding just XYZ. So they tried too many things at once and didn't change the things that needed a little bit of spice. So I don't doubt their ability to correct this. And obviously Guardians of the Galaxy,
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the way that it was received speaks highly that there is potential of them getting back on track, but it all comes down to being open with what you want to do with these titles. Yeah, and a lot of what you said there actually reminds me of something I brought up on
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On Benjers Assemble, we've been covering the Tim Burton, Michael Keaton, Batman movies in preparation for The Flash. But we just talked about Batman Returns. And one of the things I said is Tim Burton was such an auteur. He took big swings. And yeah, it's not for everybody. And maybe it's
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has like kind of this weird off kilter tone, but I like I found myself saying I almost wish this is something that filmmakers would do nowadays instead of trying to appease as many people as they can just make
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movies that take these big swings and stylistic choices. And I think like everything you brought up, yeah. Multiverse of Madness incorporated these horror elements to great effect and like let Sam Ramy do his thing. And I love that movie, but I wanted more of that. Like with the multiverse concept, I wanted it to go more balls to the wall and not play it as safe. And then
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moon night was like my favorite parts of moon night were when it really embraced like the Kind of more drama aspects and I found myself a little disappointed that the final episode was like two giant Egyptian Kaijus fighting each other Go back to the character development and the fact that the sky has multiple personalities and whatnot I wanted more time with that and then uh, yeah, and I think that's where like
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Like with Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk, those were some of the more polarizing entries, but I think they really did embrace that, where She-Hulk, especially with the meta humor and whatnot, and really not being afraid to poke at itself and even call out Kevin Feige as this algorithmic robot and whatnot. I loved all that stuff. I thought it was a great time, but it got a fair amount of backlash.
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Miss Marvel. Yeah. Just the fact that it was like this coming of age and like did so much to embrace culture and, and just like have this young protagonist that was so enthusiastic about being a hero. Like I, those landed really well for me. And I think those were some of the strongest entries. Yeah.
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Yeah, Shang-Chi and Ms. Marvel were definitely the highlights. Moon Knight, I love what they were doing conceptually, but again, it's amazing how much these movies have had great dialogue, but haven't been able to lay in their final episodes. Yeah. They try to go too big, and they are not understanding that not everything has to be Infinity War big anymore. We can come back to these smaller stories. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:18:56
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Was not expecting to have that kind of uh tangent hone and examination of the superhero genre, but that's what you get here sometimes I mean, we're not shy of any superhero content coming out anytime soon. Like we have flash Uh invincible season two is still rumored to come out at the end of the year Who knows when the boys is going to come out again? Like yeah, it's just that we have high expectations for stuff stuff upcoming definitely
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Okay. Well,
Anime Excitement: Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen
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I think that's going to do it for our spider verse news segment there. So I will let you take the reins as we talk about some different animated properties and their news. Yeah. It's no secret that I absolutely love talking about anime and there's a lot of cool stuff that's coming out that we're excited about. And as you guys know, we've been doing demon slayer coverage every day for the last
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a nine weeks now every day every week for the last nine weeks i talk about it in my head every day i'll preach to anybody that wants to listen every day but we've been officially recording for the last nine weeks so i was very excited to hear that the next season is already in production nice and one of my favorite things about
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Ufotable i think as i say whether it's ufotable or ufo table however you say it right one of my favorite things about ufotable that the attack on titan people could take a couple pages out of is their ability to communicate with us and stay on the schedule and let us know what's happening and when it's happening and be consistency with the delivery and products
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So it's no secret that all right around this time frame, they're wrapping up a season. We're going to get a new one probably in the fall time or towards the end of the year. And Lord knows I'm very excited for it. Maybe they'll figure out what they need to do to put some of this beautiful stuff in the theaters and actually keep the pacing nice because I'll happily watch all this stuff in the theaters, especially those wooden dragons.
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But the other exciting news is that at the time of this recording we have two episodes of Demon Slayer left and the last episode is going to be one hour long. I am so excited about that. We were talking about on this week's episode about how there's a lot to wrap up if we still have more backstories to cover. So if there's a lot of action to hit and transitionary stuff into the next season, I think an hour is going to be perfect to cover all that stuff up.
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Yeah, I agree. This news really bodes well because as we've gotten closer to like the end of the season, I've really been enjoying the season, but with only having two episodes left, I was starting to get kind of concerned like, how are they going to like wrap up all these story threads in just two episodes? And I think it's a...
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interesting season structure like we opened the season with like a 45 minute hour I think it was like 49 minutes episode long minute episode and now we're ending with an hour long episode so I think that's kind of a cool structure.
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And then yeah, I'm right there with you in terms of knowing that season four is already in production like that. Just that's great. Like we don't have to languish wondering when we're going to get more of this like we do with the attack on Titan. So yeah, good on you. You photo bull is how I'm going to choose to say it. Yeah. Moving on into the anime realm for jujitsu Kaizen. We got a new trailer.
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It has the new opening theme song, which is a banger. Everything about it visually looks stunning. Like in all of its map of glory, we have great animation, great music. There wasn't any subtitles for any of this stuff. So I sort of know like what the story plot is. But what we're getting from this is that we're moving further back in time and we're seeing what it was like when Gojo
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Ghetto and another third party, what they were like when they were students and what they were like when they were best friends and how the relationship developed. And it is really fascinating, but it's really interesting to see like how we've gone backwards timeline-wise since the first season.
00:22:49
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Yeah. Awesome first season left with Cliffhanger, lots of character development. And then we got a movie that went back before Itadori's time. And now we have season two starting off way before Itadori was probably born. So it's like, I love Goja, so I'm not complaining too much. But just for someone who doesn't read the manga at all, I'm intrigued to see like where this is going and how it's going to connect into the story that we haven't seen anything from in the last two, three years now.
00:23:15
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Yeah. Yeah. The trailer kind of threw me for a loop to the point where I had to like ask you like, did I watch the right trailer? Like the animation, the quality was like so high, like so high quality that, uh, I didn't think it was fan made, but I was like, this is not where I was expecting the story to go. But I do think it'll be pretty interesting to get to see Gojo's past and especially the antagonist. I can't, which.
00:23:40
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You said his name, what was his name? Gato, I think is how you say it. Gato, that sounds right. I didn't want to say Ghetto, but it's very close to that. Yeah. But even in between the first season and what we saw all of them in Jujutsu Kaisen Zero, he seemed like a very different person in those two seasons. I mean, obviously he's sadistic, but he kind of had
00:24:01
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He seemed even more sadistic in Jujutsu Kaisen Zero where he seemed kind of like nonchalant in the first season as I recall. So to get to go back and see.
00:24:12
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a little bit more of his backstory and his relationship with Goju. I think that'll be pretty interesting, but if this is all we're getting this season, it does make me kind of worry about the momentum and my ability to retain everything that was going on with our three pro-catagonists. Like, am I going to have to go back and watch that first season before the third season finally comes out?
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Yeah, it's reported to have it's anticipated to have 24 episodes. We're going to be getting the season on July 6th. So if it's that long, like that's a long time to cover those stories that far back in time. Yeah. I would like if it's maybe a six episode arc, if it's a big enough story, then it was very like foundational building and then just go back into the issues at hand. Yeah. I think that's, that seems reasonable.
00:25:05
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Yeah. So if you guys are excited for Jujutsu Kaius, we would love to hear your thoughts on how this backward timeline is going for you. Wrapping
Studio Ghibli's Unique Marketing Approach
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up anime news, we have Studio Ghibli announced that Miyazaki's final film, How Do You Live, will not release a trailer or any promotional marketing material. I absolutely love this. I think it's underrated the joy of just hitting play on a movie and not knowing what's going to happen, really, even if it's a crappy one.
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But if it is a good one, like your name was for me, which I just knew the name of it. Someone was like, Hey, you should watch this before you watch. Excuse me. I was like, all right. It's all I need to know. Hit play. Absolutely loved it. Palm Springs was another one that I was like, Oh, the guy from lonely Island. Isn't it Andy Samberg? Right.
00:25:52
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Yeah, let me just hit play. I don't need to know anymore about this. That was a movie that's kind of like, what did I just watch? This movie just blew my mind. Right. So I think it's highly underrated, you know, being able to watch a movie without needing to know anything about it. And I'm excited that they have a name that they're confident enough that they could do something like this. And it would probably still be a success.
00:26:12
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Yeah, I agree. Some of my best movie experiences is when I've just gone and kind of blinded and know anything about it. And it makes me think back in the day, not that we're that old. We're in our 30s. But there was a time where the internet wasn't as predominant as it is now. And if a trailer came out back a few years ago, you didn't really have a way to watch it anymore. And chances were, you just stumbled across a movie and didn't know anything about it except for what you read on the back of the VHS cassette or maybe the DVD.
00:26:41
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But I am kind of curious like they're not going to release a trailer or any marketing material for the upcoming release which it releases July 14th in Japan and it doesn't have an international release date yet. So I'm wondering will they stick with that when it comes time for it to come overseas to us here in the United States or will they eventually kind of like give in and want to have a trailer for international audiences, but
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Yeah, it's I won't go into detail about what it is, what it's about, because there's no trailer or promotional materials. But it is based on a book called How Do You Live, which came out in like the 1930s and was written by a Japanese author. But Miyazaki, it's not the first time that one of his films has been like a loose adaptation of preexisting source material, like even Howl's Moving Castle was actually based on a
00:27:34
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a European book from like a few years back or so. I want to say it was maybe written in the sixties or something like that, but he usually.
00:27:44
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Veer's pretty far from the source material and just uses it as a very loose inspiration. The fact that it's Miyazaki's final film, I think that alone gives a lot of interest and will drive a lot of people to go see it. Studio Ghibli is just a household name and they are known for their quality. Not many studios could get away with this kind of thing, but I think this pairing, Ghibli and Miyazaki,
00:28:09
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If anybody's going to do it, I'm glad it's them. And if the experiment pays off, well, maybe more studios will be willing to do it. Sure. I could, based off what you were saying in regards to international audience, I could see just a black poster coming out of Instagram where it just says Studio Ghibli presents, how do you live? And then it's just a date. Sure. That'd be cool. That'd be pretty cool. Yeah.
00:28:33
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I think we have enough of the following because like even when you go to AMC is like every year there's like the fandom events Fathom events of just Miyazaki films and which ones are coming out on which day every year without fail I see it so it's like if it has that much popularity that in Virginia Beach at the AMC they're constantly putting it in the theater it wouldn't surprise me that it has huge numbers in the States at least
00:28:58
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Yeah, I'm still kind of kicking myself that I missed the Spirited Away. They did like the live stage adaptation and they played that. I want to say they played that like in early May, maybe late April. Darn. Spirited Away, the original version will be coming out around October, I want to say so. Nice. Yeah.
TMNT: Mutant Mayhem Trailer Review
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Okay, and our final piece of news is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Mutant Mayhem released a new trailer and this trailer gave us a little bit more of the story and really showcased who the big bad is gonna be and it's gonna be Superfly, who's voiced by Ice Cube, and it really kind of set up
00:29:49
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this concept that like it's humans versus mutants. And I really, I kind of found myself kind of getting like X-Men vibes and it felt like super fly was almost like Magneto and he had his brotherhood of mutants and they were trying to recruit the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. And they're very early on, like they are young teenagers. They're really embracing like the teenage aspect of this one. So it looks like an interesting story. I'm kind of used to Shredder.
00:30:15
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being my big bad, but I am wondering if Superfly is connected to Baxter Stockman in any way, because I know Baxter Stockman is supposed to appear in the film and he's going to be voiced by Guillermo, not Guillermo, Giancarlo Esposito. And so yeah, I'll be interested to see if they've kind of cast like two different voice actors to portray
00:30:38
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the same character and maybe his transformation is just that extreme that they wanted to do that. But apart from that, I just wanted to talk a little bit about the animation style. Again, it's taking inspiration from across the Spider-Verse, especially with like the frame rate. But I do think it's the more and more I see of it, I'm kind of appreciating that's doing something unique and really embracing kind of like this hand-drawn kind of sketchy, almost kind of like smudgy, not perfectly, like even the
00:31:06
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proportions and perspectives sometimes are kind of skewed to where it looks like somebody kind of opened up their sketchbook and kind of brought their sketchbook to life, which is kind of cool. Yeah, they're literally drawing outside the lines and we appreciate how beautiful it looks. You stole my X-Men remarks. I really don't have too much more to add to that. Oh, okay. Sorry.
00:31:30
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You know me, when you read my mind, I just get excited. Like, yes, we're synced up. But yeah, growing up, like, I wasn't like, super into Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I kind of like watched it when it was on. So it's like, I don't know like too much of the backstory of a lot of the villains and the characters. I can never remember the name of the villains.
00:31:49
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But again, just the way that this animation style is and, you know, TMNT is notable enough and popular enough internationally that even if you don't know anything about it, it's like you recognize it, you get excited about it. So it is going to be something that I'm very much looking forward to seeing. I think it's really impressive whenever
00:32:07
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a hero has a popular antagonist like Shredder and for them to have the confidence to be like, we're going to take it a different route and do something that the people aren't used to. Like hats off to them because the hope is that it's so successful that they want to keep doing more stuff. And then it's going to be even more impactful when we have people like Shredder come in. Well said. Well said. All right. Well,
00:32:33
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That does it for the news. I know we've got some listener feedback to address, but before that, we want to talk about the Blinjet.
00:32:44
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Yes, the BlendJet is such a daily lightsaber. I went to the gym right before recording and as usual, I was late, but the BlendJet helped me be five minutes late to recording as opposed to 15. It's just amazing how useful this thing is. I had the powders packed up and everything, got home from the gym as soon as I could, just filled it up with water and literally as I was running up the stairs had the thing blending. I would have been 15 minutes late if I had to pull the thing out
00:33:13
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you know, make the smoothie in there, then pour it into a glass. That's more dishes I gotta do.
00:33:18
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But in case you guys are hearing this for the first time and want to know more about it, the Blendjet 2 is portable so you can blend up a smoothie at work, a protein shake at the gym, or even a margarita on the beach. It's small enough to fit in a cup holder, but powerful enough to blast through tough ingredients like ice and frozen fruit with ease. Blendjet 2 is whisper quiet so you can make your morning smoothie without waking up the whole house, last for 15 plus blends, and recharge as quickly via USB-C. Best of all, Blendjet 2 cleans itself.
00:33:44
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Just blend water with a drop of soap and you are good to go. Comes in 30 plus colors and they have some cool collaborations going on. With Disney, you can get Mickey Mouse versions, you can get Toy Story versions. They even have some cool floral prints that have been coming out. But if you just want matte colors or shiny colors, those are all options as well. And making it even, sorry. Making it even better and more convenient is that they have the Orbiter Lib as well.
00:34:13
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It's leak-proof, so your favorite drinks are safe from spilling. It has one-hand convenience, so if your hands are full, you only need a thumb to open this lid. And it has a satisfying click when you want to close it. Never get tired of that. Large opening that makes it easy to drink straight out of, or even just use a straw. And it cleans itself like the Blendjet itself. Just a little drop of soap, good to go, let it dry, ready to go for the next use.
00:34:37
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With your clumsy mornings, if you're trying to grab this thing and go on the run, it's spill proof. It's everything that you need to make your day more convenient. Yeah, I can speak to that part because with my job, I like to be the first one in the office. It just helps me. That's the way I like to start my day. I don't like somebody coming to my desk first thing.
00:35:00
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It helps to get there early knowing that I can take care of my breakfast with my blend jet. And if somebody is there, like I can go ahead and blend my stuff and not have to worry about like making a lot of noise because the blend jet is just that quiet. But also if I'm in the office environment, you know, wearing my nice dress shirt and whatnot, I don't want to make any spills. So the orbiter lid just makes it that much easier for me.
00:35:23
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00:35:52
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Alright, on to feedback.
Listener Feedback and Anime Recommendations
00:35:55
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We love talking to the people, we love listening to the people, so we get super happy when you guys write in. First feedback is from Chrissy. Hey guys, I've been watching some new animes and I thought I'd suggest one. My boyfriend got me hooked on a new anime called Death Mount Death Play. It's about a necromancer from a fantasy world who reincards into a teenager's body in the 21st century. And let me tell you, it's both funny and action packed.
00:36:21
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The first episode is more serious, but the episodes have a whole different kind of vibe, and I'm here for it. I don't want to give away too much, but if you like more gory kinds of animes, yet also funny, then this is for you, and I highly suggest at least checking out the first two episodes. Also, I've been trying to catch up on Demon Slayer slowly, but surely I'm getting there. I'm on the Entertainment District arc, so hopefully I can join on the conversation for season three soon. That's all for now, so stay well, and go plus Ultra, my dudes. Chrissy. Thank you, Chrissy.
00:36:51
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I think the typical isekai format is that we have somebody in modern age who gets put into the fantasy world, so it's interesting to have an anime that's like flip-flop now. Yeah, I'm always a fan of when you balance the tone between
00:37:12
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over the top gore and comedy. I think it's just a really nice pairing. So I mean, I'm definitely interested in this anime. It sounds like it's got a cool concept, but as far as the Demon Slayer journey goes, like congratulations, you're in a fantastic place to be right now with the entertainment district. But in terms of catching up with season three, we just talked about how we only have two episodes to go. So you got to
00:37:35
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You got to hurry, but whenever you do eventually get to season three, just let us know and share your feedback then and appreciate you listening in and for the suggestion. I'll have to check that one out. Thanks. Binge, binge, binge, binge, binge. I'm trying to see how many episodes are out for that show right now. Okay. The one that she recommended is nine episodes. So it's nice. Oh, dark tones indeed. All right.
00:38:03
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Next one that we have up is from Jordan Boyd. Hey y'all, love the show. Just saw Across the Spider-Verse for the second time and Dolby for the first. Worth it. And love how the movie just has so many layers. Spoilers ahead. You have been warned. Spoiler warning.
00:38:20
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On my second watch through, right after the Gwen sequence, there's a title card where it opens to Miles universe and tells us that it's not universe 42. I must have just totally not registered at the first watch. Would have instantly put it together, put together he was sent to the wrong universe.
00:38:37
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Also, did you notice how much his parents parallel Miles? The scene where his dad hesitates to jump totally reminds me of the first movie when Miles is going to jump for the first time and changes buildings. Love the whole thing. If they stick the landing of the final movie, this trilogy might dethrone Lord of the Rings as my favorite trilogy of all time. Can't wait for the sequel. Keep going, guys. Jordan. Well, Jordan, you and I,
00:39:04
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seem to have a lot in common in terms of our, uh, our fandoms because yeah, Lord of the Rings was definitely one of my favorite trilogies of all time. And this is certainly in the running after everything we've seen so far, but, uh, I, I do appreciate what you did there. Stick the landing. Yeah. You didn't think anybody would pick up on that, but I did. But, uh, yeah, I did pick up on the,
00:39:27
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the title card he's kind of talking about. Like right when we get retransitioned to a Miles story, it says like earth, it started with a three. I feel like there was a six and a two in there as well. Maybe a zero. I can't remember the exact number, but even with that on my first viewing, I still didn't really put two and two together that he was sent to the wrong universe. Like I started to pick up on it. I think when he really started to interact with his mom,
00:39:51
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And I wasn't as quick as Andrew. If you listen to our coverage, Andrew was able to tell as soon as he saw some blueprints or something like that. But yeah, it took me a little bit longer, but I definitely picked up on it before the rooftop exchange. I was, or even before his mom said she didn't know who Spider-Man was. Like I had figured it out before then.
00:40:10
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But then also, yeah, the call out there with his dad, like when Miles is fighting the spot in the ruins of like the Collider at Alkomex. Yeah, it was taken like right out of that first movie where he's thinking about jumping and then just the scene transitions. It's just a great moment of comic relief where he's just like hurrying down the stairs and yeah, like father like son. So good stuff. Yeah, I think it was.
00:40:35
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during the conversation between Miles and his mom where I was just kind of like, this is stretching out a lot. And I think it was like cutting between like other characters as well. And that was when I started wondering like, there's no way that they're going to wrap it up in this much time. So I think that's when I started clicking to me. I was like, oh, I don't think he's on the right earth. They emphasized a lot that there was one that didn't have a Spider-Man. So I think I realized it like minutes, if not like seconds before the reveal actually came out.
00:41:03
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Yeah, yeah, but with with so much happening in this movie like there's no way that I would have just like oh a four and a two That's relevant Yeah, I think it kept cutting it like when you talked about it cutting to other characters I think it cut to Gwen And had her like situated outside of his window But the way they framed it is like you didn't realize that she wasn't right there and then it went from her to Jess drew
00:41:28
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watching Gwen watch him. So yeah it was set up kind of nicely to where it like kind of distracted you from what was happening and I suspect most people that weren't like as eagleized as Andrew were kind of like thrown for a loop there even though it was spelled out from us spelled out for us from even like the first movie like they focused on the 42 all the way back then.
00:41:50
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Telling you, man, Empire Strikes Back. Because if you heard the thing where it's like Vader is father in German, so it's like his name has been father this whole time. Oh, I didn't know that, no. Oh, really? No. So it's the same people think there's like a reveal there, but don't pay attention to it or don't pick up on the cues. Oh, OK. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait to watch it in theaters again.
00:42:17
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Yeah. Well, yeah. That's another part of this feedback there. He talked about seeing it in Dolby and both times that I saw it, I saw it in Dolby the first time, which was totally worth it. Then I saw it in IMAX the second time because I have AMCA list and the nice thing is just you can go to any format and it's still, you know, not free, but it's part of your paid plan there. And I was actually, I decided, what's that? Get your money's worth.
00:42:41
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Yeah, yeah. Well, I decided pretty late on Sunday to go see it again. And I was like, OK, I want to get the best seats possible. And IMAX was filling up. Dolby was out of the question at that point. The Dolby Theater was damn near full. So I was like, OK, do I want to see it in IMAX? That one's already getting pretty full too. Or I started looking at regular showings. And I was like, you know what? No, this movie is too beautiful. Like, I can't do it in the regular showing. Like, I have to do it in some kind of premium format.
00:43:10
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Sadly, we only have one Dolby theater and one IMAX theater here in Virginia Beach. So I was slacking on getting the tickets because I just had so much going on that I was happy that I was able to get IMAX and all my friends were able to sit in the same row. But now I was just checking. It's not even an option for Dolby anymore. So I missed out on that. Maybe if I go to DC or something and they have it over there, I'll give it a try. But
00:43:37
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Definitely didn't miss out on anything in IMAX, but don't be something else. Do you ever go to the AMC in Hampton, Virginia? Okay. Let's take a look at that one too. Yeah. I went to that one a couple of times when I was living in that area. I saw in glorious bastards there. Oh, they do have two over there. Yeah.
00:44:00
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Hmm. Do I want to deal with tunnel traffic? Oh yeah. The Chesapeake Bay bridge tunnel. I do not miss that traffic. They're expanding it now too. So imagine construction on the water at all times. Yikes. Yeah. It's, it's been fun. Whenever I have to go to Richmond, I'm just like, Hmm, how badly do I need to go? All right. All right. So that's it for all the feedback.
00:44:27
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Now, just a quick moment to tell you guys about things that we're watching. One of my friends talked me into starting the show. Excuse my pronunciation, Tengoku Daimakyo. It's also known as Heavenly Delusion. I believe that's what the manga goes by. But this is interestingly enough a show that's been backed by Disney. So Disney has supported it and backed it. And it's actually exclusive on Hulu because of that. And internationally, you can find it on Disney Plus.
00:44:57
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It has a 15 plus rating, age-wise, and it is very dark and gory, so I understand why. I like to think it's a mix of Attack on Titan and Last of Us, because there's stuff going on within the walls, and then you get to see what's in the outside world as well.
00:45:18
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So there's the sheltered people and then the people who are like dealing with this post-apocalyptic world. And interesting. Every episode, there's something where that just blows my mind of, oh crap, I did not see that coming. What the hell did I just watch? And it's very intriguing. I think it's like five episodes in right now. Weekly release. If you guys are looking for something intense to watch, I'd heavily recommend the heavenly delusion. Duly noted, duly noted.
Discussion on Unicorn Warriors Eternal and Clone High
00:45:47
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Oh, okay. As for me, I am currently an episode behind on Unicorn Warriors Eternal. I think the fifth episode is out now, but the last one I watched was the fourth one. And all I'll say is just kind of as a quick recap, like I am enjoying the story kind of more and more, like the first few episodes just kind of set things up. The third episode kind of gave me more ideas about what the motivations are being, are going to be rather. And
00:46:13
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Now it seems like we're starting to like, one of the concepts of this show is like, these are warriors that are like destined to like battle these evil forces throughout eternity. So they've been reincarnated like multiple times throughout millennia. But the part about the reincarnation is like, they're not born again. Like they're, they basically inhabit like new hosts. Like they kind of take over these people that are just living their lives and they become like these new versions of them. So it makes it a little more,
00:46:44
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If he and in that way, like, are they really heroes? Like they're taking these people's lives away from them. And you get a little bit of pushback from the person that they formerly were. And it's kind of like these two people fighting over the same body. But in episode four, we got to go back and look at one character in particular and get to see like the origin of the original warrior through the lens of like this person that they've inhabited.
00:47:05
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So it was pretty interesting stuff and just continues to be beautifully animated and does a nice job between striking a balance between really great action and just really goofy humor. So I'm still enjoying it, but, um, I did start watching Clone Hoi. It's funny that I said it like Clone Hoi.
00:47:24
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I sounded like JFK there and JFK is one of the characters on Clone High and this comes to us from Lord and Miller who we talked about earlier with Spider-Verse but I guess they had this series back in 2003. I'd always heard a lot about it but I'd never seen it but it recently got a revival on Max.
00:47:41
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So I think I've seen like the first three or four episodes of the revival. And then I guess Max like didn't update as I was watching. Cause when I went to go watch the next episode, I saw I was able to watch the original run from 2003. So I'm going to go back and check that out now because it's only got the two seasons, but it's just, it's, it's great.
00:48:01
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The closest thing I can describe it to in terms of tone is probably like the Harley Quinn animated series. It's very adult, but it's basically spoofing those high school dramas like Dawson's Creek and Beverly Hills, 90210. But it's a high school full of clones of Abraham Lincoln,
00:48:18
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Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, and JFK, and Chris Miller actually does the voice of JFK, and he just does a great job, and it's pretty funny, so I recommend it. It's actually Will Forte that does the voice of Abe Leakin, which in retrospect makes sense that he worked together with Lord and Miller to do Last Man on Earth, which is kind of an underrated sitcom in my opinion. I think it got like four seasons and left off on a cliffhanger, but I enjoyed that sitcom quite a bit, and I think it's still available on Hulu.
00:48:48
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They got Joan of Arc, Harriet Tubman, and Confucius. Yes, Frida Kahlo as well. Sometimes I'm looking at the cover image and I'm just kind of like, okay, interesting character designs. As you're saying these names and looking, I was like, oh God, I see it all. They've got Christopher Columbus, but he goes by Topher Buss because he doesn't want to be associated with Christopher Columbus anymore since he was canceled.
00:49:15
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But I guess this is him on the right with the curly hair. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God, that sounds entertaining. Yeah, it's pretty funny. Yeah, I was about to say, like, when did Lord and Miller have time to do something else? But it's something that's like been revived. I guess that makes a little more sense in regards to Unicorn Warriors Eternal. I think I text you when I watched the first episode and I was very intrigued with the character design, but I was confused what was going on.
00:49:42
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I just haven't been able to watch more than that yet, but it definitely did gauge my interest off of that one, especially the future robot that was recruiting everybody. Oh yeah, Copernicus. Giving a little more of the background wants me to talk about one of those possessed stories because that was the one that really intrigued me, but we will save that. We will save that for full coverage. Okay. Sounds good. I do want to get into it a little bit. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
00:50:11
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All right, so that'll do it for this week in animation. Anything you wanna let the people know about Zuhair? I will be, animation deliberation is collaborating with 323 with Reed Murphy. We're gonna be at AwesomeCon in DC on June 16th around six o'clock. We'll be on a panel doing a nerdy family feud. So it'll be the audience versus us on stage.
00:50:37
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If you guys are in the area and want to meet us and say hey and play along, we'd love to have you. Aside from that, I got to hop on multiverse news for the first time. That was loads of fun. I talked to this Jay Scottie fellow who I've heard of from time to time. But it's always a great show with all of our stranded panda hosts and then other friends of the shows as well. So be sure to subscribe to them as well.
00:51:05
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Yeah, as for me, like I said, if you like what you heard here, go back and check out that episode of Multiverse News. Animation deliberation was represented very strongly, and it was a great time to talk about everything happening in the world of animation. And in addition to what we updated you with with Spider-Verse, we got to talk about Mark Hamill actually talking about some comments about his original audition for the Joker for the Batman animated series. And then Benjers Assemble,
00:51:34
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We are we have recorded the Batman 89 and Batman Returns coverage in preparation for the flash and then we are also doing the mission impossible series so a lot of great things to check out there as we dive headlong into the summer blockbuster season so Check it all out and thanks for being here and listening and keep tuning in that's T. Double. Oh and I am and as always stay well
00:51:59
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