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Silent Night, Deadly Night (2025) with Rosia Gooding
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Join Nicholas, as he is joined by the podcast's first ever guest, Rosia Gooding (Movies With Bae)! They saw the remake of Silent Night, Deadly Night in theaters, and decided to talk about it for a bonus episode! We hope you enjoy the convo and have a happy holiday!
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00:01:12
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What's up, guys? We're Morbid Curiosities, your favorite horror movie podcast, and we're back with another episode. I'm one of your hosts, Nicholas Ewers, and with me is first-time-ever guest, actually. Joining me is the co-host of the Movies with Bay podcast, Rocia Gooding.
00:01:30
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ah How are you doing? I'm great, Nicholas. Yeah. How are you? Doing good. We just got out of a movie tonight, the movie we're going to be covering the movie that we're covering. We did see that. Yeah. In order to cover it. Yeah. We just got out of the movie. Not that long ago. We saw a silent night, deadly night, 20, 25, silent night, holy night. yeah Yeah. 20, 25. I've actually never seen the original. ah Neither have I. Yeah, that's, you know, so we're going to be tackling this one from ah the very ignorant place, I guess, maybe. Especially me. But yeah, I'll claim it. I'm happy to to have you here. oh thank you. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, it's different. I haven't done this show in person with anybody before, so I'm getting used to it. That was the first. i love a first time. Yeah, that was the phrase first time I've had to do the intro with somebody else here. so
00:02:34
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Yeah, it was different yeah for our Nicholas, but that's okay. Show him some support and some love. Good job. woo I got it all in one take, basically.
00:02:48
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Yeah. So, but, you know, so we basically already talked about it. We we got to see this movie together. you know, we end up seeing a lot of movies together where we just happen to be boyfriend and girlfriend. you Or girlfriend and boyfriend. You guys try to figure out which one is which. Exactly. It's a puzzle. Comment down below. Yeah.
00:03:14
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Yeah, i I don't know about you. I had a pretty good time at the movie. We're not going to spoil the movie yet, so don't be afraid. And real quick, too, guys, Merry Christmas. This is a special bonus episode that we're bringing you guys. Jingle jingle bells, jingle. Oh, I'm going telling you this is going to be your background music. oh no.
00:03:38
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Put some bells here. So, yeah, I hope you guys enjoy this. Yeah. You know, it's a special one for you. We didn't originally, it wasn't on the schedule to cover this. We originally were going to do a commentary of the original s Silent Night, Deadly Night, but that's most likely not going to happen.
00:03:59
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So you guys get this as your little treat. Go out to the theaters to see it, and we're going to hop into our initial thoughts. um I mean i didn't have a bad time at the movies I don't know I had a great time i had a great time I got a little sleepy but that has nothing to do with a movie and a hundred percent to do with my age um but it was actually really fun to see I was pleasantly surprised I can say with this one I didn't think it'd be bad but I don't think I saw a trailer did I
00:04:35
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I doubt it. I didn't see a trailer for this thing. I didn't seek out one. I actually didn't know this movie was coming out until I think last weekend. I was just looking at what was in theaters. I'm forgetting. We must have saw something.
00:04:50
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I can't remember what we saw, but I saw so either yeah i saw a Silent Night Deadly Night on the list. I was like, I didn't even know they were doing a remake. That's so weird. And then You know, you and I just got over being pretty sick recently. Like full-on flu. Well, at least full-on. You didn't test, but heck, it seemed like you probably were positive too. Yeah, and the Tamiflu I had did help me. Oh, I have one more. i Oh, yeah, I have another one to take. Take your take your meds, kids. Spoilers for our lives. yeah
00:05:28
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But... Yeah, I just threw out randomly like, hey, we haven't, I don't know, it was just something to go see. We have pretty much seen everything else that's in theaters except for Zootopia or Toozopia.
00:05:43
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Well, also like knowing it's the holidays, knowing there's movies that specifically come out on Christmas, all just surrounding Christmas, like even for Halloween, you know, wanting to do Halloween things, movie marathons in that way. You can do that for every holiday. Thanksgiving came and we're like, which movies can we watch for Thanksgiving? is there Are there such thing as Thanksgiving horror films? You watch Thanksgiving while I yeah was doing absolutely. I don't know what I avoiding. I actually saw that in theater when it came out.
00:06:17
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Yeah, I think that movie was pretty bad. i'm I'm not a fan of it. I'm not going to lie. If you ask me right now to recall what's in that, I don't remember. i don't remember. Yeah, it it wasn't for me. And when it was on around Thanksgiving time and you were watching it, I was just thinking, no, I can't do this. This movie kind of sucks. The Witch, that's my canonical Thanksgiving movie, I'd say. Yeah, you were saying that yeah But there was another Thanksgiving horror film that was recommended by one of my friends.
00:06:52
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And he was like, tell Nick about it. And I told you and you and you were like, yeah, I don't. Basically, Nick was like, I don't fucks with that shit. No, he didn't say it like that. a roundabout way. In a roundabout way. No, but um he was like, no, that movie's so bad. And I'm like, oh, you must have seen Thanksgiving. thanks What was it? Thanksgiving.
00:07:12
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Yeah, I don't even know the premise of that movie, but it's one of those purposely bad horror movies. it not a turkey that's a murderous turkey? have no idea. Like a cooked one, not even like a gobble gobble. Like it's a cooked turkey that's killing people? I have no idea. This and like Terrifier are as bottom of the barrel as I think I'll get when it comes to horror movies. And I think Terrifier is a genuinely fun and kind inventive horror series. Did I ever tell you about my Terrifier journey?
00:07:45
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Like when I discovered it on like freaking TikTok or something, um me and my roommate at the time were like, okay, we got to go see it because people are like, this is the scariest. murder So we went to see it and I was so disappointed.
00:07:59
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I was disappointed. It was Terrifier 3? Yeah. I think so. Was he dressed as Santa? It was three. um because it was Yeah, it was in theater. It was three or two?
00:08:10
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It was three. And then there's like something else after three? No, four is coming out October 1st of this year, I think. But no, was Art dressed as Santa at any point in the movie?
00:08:23
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I vaguely remember. I think so. So then that would be three. Three is the only one who's dressed as Santa. But I've seen two of them in theaters. Okay. Well, I don't know. i get I'm having a hard time deciphering which two. Me too. Clearly. I would guess two and three. That would probably be my guess.
00:08:40
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The Terrifier... I actually just saw someone I follow on Letterboxd post a review saying that he rated Terrifier 3 one and a half stars and just said these movies are trash. And if you're not a teen trying to make out in a movie theater and you like these things, then you have terrible taste. and Well, before the terrible taste thing...
00:09:05
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because that sounds harsh, I i get it. You know, I get what he's saying. I kind of get it, but then also, it's just really weird. It feels like such try-hard opinion hate of 300. You ain't got to try hard to hate Terrifier. almost said $300 million. dollar fit That's how much it cost. But it like grossed a crazy amount of money. Terrifier 3 was a smash hit. It outgrossed Joker Folly Ado.
00:09:35
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So I really want to know why, though, like with the public, when you guys see this, is it this gore that you're so fascinated by? Because I think the gore was like trash. I'm a gory person.
00:09:48
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Bitch, like I love a realistic, anatomically correct crime scene. The gore in Terrifier 3? All of All the Terrifier. What did you think, without spoiling Silent Night, Deadly Night, what did you think about the kills and like the violence in this movie? That's actually a perfect question. Because...
00:10:09
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If you recall, in the movie, the first one that I saw, i was very disappointed in. like the It wasn't kill per se, no spoiler, but the first thing that I saw that involved gore, I was like, that is trash. I was like, oh, so this is a B movie. You said, how does something like this get released in theaters? No, literally. I was like, it's so bad. And I was thinking something this like bloody or whatever. i didn't know what you meant, but you said, no, something that looks this bad.
00:10:43
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It was the way that it occurred. I don't want to like go into it, but it was the way that it happened. i was like, that's so unreal. It looked like somebody was on his side with a squirt bottle, and you can see it. I'm like...
00:10:57
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Do better. But it it was just a little flub on their part. and Yeah. But anyway, we kind of got like ah slightly off. But yeah, we decided to go see this thing because we needed to get out of the house. And so and this is like the only legitimate Christmas movie in theaters, right?
00:11:19
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I think they're showing Die Hard. Okay, that Die Hard, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Elf, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. yeah This is definitely the only Christmas horror film for sure. um Is that what you're asking? The only Christmas horror film ever.
00:11:39
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Ever Ever in existence other than itself in the 80s. Yeah, no. It was kind of nice actually getting to go out and see this because I don't know if this might be our last planned movie we'll be able to have until actual Christmas Day because I don't know if you're seeing Avatar fire and ash with me. I don't know if you have any interest in three hours of Avatar.
00:12:02
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You know. You want to come to Pandora with me? Actually, I think I will go to Pandora with you because i currently don't work. I'm not scheduled. So let's go to let's go to Pandora. All right. Buy me a bracelet. We'll go meet these fire people. that That's not what I meant. Okay. Wow. Okay. I get you.
00:12:26
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Never mind. you We won't meet the fire people. James Cameron so desperately wants us to meet. the fire or so are they red? They're reddish gray and we we can't open that can of worms. I'll show you a trailer. Okay. Okay. We record. That's fine. But so initial thoughts on Silent Night, Deadly Night. Would you like to go first on this one?
00:12:48
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Initial thoughts.
00:12:52
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Oh, my very first like first impression. Spoiler free thoughts. You could say whatever you want about the movie just without spoilers. I appreciate this movie. um At the end of every movie, I always ask Nick to rate it out of five. of course, you know, zero to five, zero.
00:13:11
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Actually, we can't. We don't rate zero. One being the worst, five being the best. I would go as low as a half star. Yeah. For a movie. Yeah, fair. um This is probably the only movie that we have seen over our relationship that I would rate like a four and a half. Really? Yeah. You'd rate this higher than Running Man because you had a really fun time with Running Man, the Edgar Wright movie.
00:13:42
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ah Yeah. I really enjoyed the story of this. And you you hated the long walk. So you like movies about running. You hate movies about walking. Speed.
00:13:54
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Speed is a thing to factor into your movie taste, we're finding out. um You asked me about Fast and Furious. We almost put on Too Fast, Too Furious yesterday. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and that was just to get me a ludicrous fix.
00:14:11
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But... so
00:14:15
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um So you like Sinners more than this, definitely. What are... so I mean... Yeah. What would you put this above? What would you put this above of movies we've seen together? This is above most movies. Did you hear me? This is above most movies that we've seen together. Just about... Just about all... I really like this. It's four and a half out of five for me. um I like the storyline. Like I said, I really, really, really loved...
00:14:45
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the way it made the audience convinced of certain things and, you know, took us for a journey, I feel like. I love a good journey. I love a good plot. I was just arguing with Nick the other day about movies with no plots being trashed.
00:15:01
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He disagrees. I'm not a movie buff. I watch movies for entertainment and this fully was entertaining. I love it. And it didn't what, babe? It didn't leave me hanging. I hate when a movie leaves me hanging. Now you're probably going to say, well, that's most movies.
00:15:21
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I said what I said. Yeah. Anyway, this was phenomenal. Highly recommend. um Yeah, i I think it was great. Four and four and a half out of five. And by Leave You Hanging, are you talking about, let's say, the quote-unquote type of ending where the movie just is ah holding on a shot and then it cuts to black and the movie's over? Like Midsommar where, spoilers for Midsommar, the barn is burning and it's Florence Pugh's face and then it cuts to black and you're thinking, what happens with Florence Pugh? You like an epilogue. That's actually...
00:16:03
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that's Yeah, I do enjoy an epilogue. um I'm a reader and an audiobook listening to. I love a good epilogue and they do a great job at that. But movies like Midsommar piss me off for not only that, but also because what the fuck was going on the whole movie. Like I have... That's my question the entire time. So yes, but that one's that specific example is worse. So without spoiling the end of weapons, you know how weapons ended, though.
00:16:32
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Do would you like an ending like s Silent Night, Deadly Night more like an ending like weapons more? How would you put the two against each other?
00:16:41
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think that. Oof. um I think that weapons had a more full ending. Because we kind of were, they told us, they told us kind of how everybody's life went after. I'm not telling y'all. They told us.
00:17:03
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Yeah. um Well, real quick, I want to toss some movies out at you that we've seen. And I want to know if you like this more than some of those movies.
00:17:13
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All right. The answer is probably yes. Begonia. Oh, my God. Begonia took me for a roller coaster. Do I like it more than... Oh, that's hard. It's the super, like... I'm sorry. fuck I'll try to bleep that. Yeah, bleep that. it's I kind of liked Begonia more. it was little long.
00:17:38
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Just a little bit. Not by much. What weapons? Weapons kind of pissed me off a little bit. I like this more than weapons. Hamnet. I don't even know why you asked me that bullshit. This movie is better than Hamnet. Don't go and see that. Die My Love.
00:17:52
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Don't see that either. That pissed me off. Die My Love wasn't that bad. That was a waste of time. Predator Badlands, a movie that you liked. Ew. You liked it a lot. What do you mean, ew? Because I didn't know they were going to full on make that monster humanistic and make the human. Like, why did he have to look like that? That was your first Predator movie. hate the back of his head. ah Black Phone 2.
00:18:16
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I'll stop this soon, though. I don't know even know if this is good podcasting. Black Phone 2. No, I prefer this over Black Phone 2. Although, in Black Phone 2, I love the dream sequences. I always talk about that. So well done. All right last one. Final Destination Bloodlines.
00:18:31
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I am going to go... that's hard too. Cause I enjoy that movie, but for entertainment purposes, because I love seeing the way death comes up with kills. I'm still, I'm going to put this one over it.
00:18:44
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Silent night, deadly night over final destination bloodlines. So this is ah a big one for Okay. Yeah. No, it's a really good movie.
00:18:55
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Like who would have thought I like a little Santa. Yeah. those's Go Santa. That's how I felt about Terrifier 3, actually. gold Santa? Go Art dressed as Santa.
00:19:08
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But so i I like this movie. I would probably put it at three stars, maybe three and a half stars. yeah Yeah. What are your what's your initial thought? That's not a negative rating for it. When we get to two and half. It's less than what he usually gives things is why I'm surprised. um There's some things that this movie's doing that I really liked and latched on to. And yeah, there's just, there's things this movie's doing that I really enjoyed.
00:19:41
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There's a lot of things that don't quite work for me. I don't think the leads have really any chemistry at all. And I don't buy why one of the two would be into each other. We can get more into that. Yeah, yeah.
00:19:56
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I don't think they delve too deep into that. Maybe not enough for you. Which is fair. They don't do enough heavy lifting to really sell me on one of the characters being into the other. So...
00:20:12
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I don't know. That didn't work for me. a lot of the kills I thought weren't that great. There's a lot of death scenes and I feel like not all of them are really, they don't happen to characters that are on, that we know. You know what I mean? There's like, yeah, they do just kind of seem to be people that we discover though. Well, not even, there's like flash, a lot of like flashback kill scenes or whatever. So it feels like that kind of takes the stakes down a little bit. There's not a lot of characters who I feel like are maybe in peril. It's a different kind of horror where, I mean, if you know the Silent Night, Deadly Night thing, you know the kind of horror that I'm talking about, the perspective that we're getting the POV.
00:21:08
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But there are elements that don't fully work for me, but and I thought maybe the action could have been directed a little bit better, too. But overall, I like some of the things this movie's doing.
00:21:20
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i like Rowan Campbell. He's a big guy from that Doug likes. He really likes Halloween Ends, and he's like the main character in Halloween Ends. And I like Ruby Modine, who plays the love interest in this movie.
00:21:37
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um There's a few other characters in here that I really appreciate their performances of. But yeah, i this is really sitting at the three, three and a half star range for me. Okay.
00:21:49
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It was pretty fun. If you say so. Yeah. You know, the beginning of the movie wasn't even ruined by the experience that we had because the movie was way too loud at first.
00:22:02
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Yeah. I had to go and tell a manager that the movie was too loud. A teenager. Yeah. and Most likely. And to turn the lights off because they left the lights on for the whole beginning of the movie. The first like 20 minutes. And they were messing with people and they were like, or with us, they were dimming it a little bit. And then they put it bright.
00:22:22
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yeah they Yeah, they made it really bright at one point where I thought, did they make it go brighter? What the hell's Literally, and then they shut it off and literally, they they shut it off to blackness and then put it right back on a millisecond later. who What is going on What are you doing?
00:22:40
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Yeah. there was And then the volume was piercing, piercing. It was so loud. Yeah, it the volume of the, I forgot the production company who did this. Let me see. Cineverse.
00:22:53
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Their logo was so fucking loud. It was insane. I thought, I can't do this the whole movie. I need to turn this down. Yeah, and thankfully it it went down.
00:23:05
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So then we were able to enjoy the show. Thanks, Nicole Kidman. And I didn't even, I don't know if I caught the Nicole Kidman thing. I was able to go to the bathroom at the very last minute.
00:23:19
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I had fun with this one. This was a fun time at the movies. It's not everyone's cup of tea, or I don't think it'll be everyone's cup of tea at least. It's on the maybe trashier side of horror when it comes to, you know, it's not doing anything. It's a dude in a Santa suit. who would you classify as sophisticated since you just used the term trashy horror? What is sophisticated horror?
00:23:46
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Well, I wouldn't say the counterpoint to this one would be sophisticated, but like The Witch, movies that are just reaching for more.
00:23:57
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Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, like I said, I watch movies for entertainment, so I am just not on that plane, you know? that's understandable. I do think that, so when I watched Hereditary, it made me want to watch Midsommar because I was like, oh, okay, there's, you know, was it the same director?
00:24:19
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Yeah, Ari Aster. He also did Eddington, the movie we saw earlier this year, which I like a lot. I have thought Eddington was really good. I think about that movie often. You do.
00:24:30
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um i You made me forget what i was going to say. You were saying you were an average Joe Schmo who... You know what? Or sorry, Jessie Schmo. I am? That's what you were saying.
00:24:42
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Don't make me. Anyway. You're not like a cinephile. Don't make me. Is basically what you were saying. did say that. That's not even what I would say I call myself either, but... I call you that. Anyway, um... watching hereditary made me then want to see a movie like midsummer was like okay i i really fucked with hereditary i thought that was genius it really spooked me you know i like a movie that just spooks you you know so then i watched that and was heavily disappointed that is a movie i'd give a half star i'd give zero if i could
00:25:20
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So, yeah, it's high, highbrow, sophisticated, whatever the hell you called it. I didn't call it either of those. things I'm just not remembering the term. Oh, gosh. Spare me. OK, so I guess it's safe to say spoilers ahead for Silent Night, Deadly Night.
00:25:37
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Is there any word you want to start with? Well, I kind of know where I want to start. Do you mind if I kind of kick us off? Is it the beginning? not Not quite. There's an element that I'd like to call out that I like.
00:25:50
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This movie... So there's a lot of voiceover that happens in this movie with ah our lead, Billy. That's his name. I think in the other movies, his name's Billy as well from what I was reading. But there's a voiceover that is Santa. but Or not Santa, but this... That would be pretty cool if it was Santa. Yeah. It sounded like Santa. I'm sure we all thought it was Santa at first. Yeah, but it was this other serial killer who was dressed as Santa who basically passed his life force onto him and now he's guiding him through like an inner monologue.
00:26:28
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I really like that element. That was the element of the movie that I latched onto the most. It's weird. This is a weird comparison. Have you seen Venom, the Tom Hardy Venom movies?
00:26:39
Speaker
Yeah, I've only seen the very latest one. It's pretty bad. Venom's last dance or whatever. It's terrible. What, you like it? ah Not that I like the movie, but I like Venom and his humor.
00:26:51
Speaker
So this movie felt like Venom, kind of, but a way better, funner version I'm of mad you made that comparison. Ew. Why are you mad made that comparison? ah the santaing it The Santa gimmick, the voiceover felt like Venom in Tom Hardy's ear being like, I'll get you out of trouble, buddy. And then he like ruins everything. Venom does. Doesn't he? Venom. Doesn't he never actually, like he fucks shit up as he helps him.
00:27:22
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I barely remember. I'm more of a Kraven the Hunter fan, to be honest. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm kidding. That's a joke for five people. Maximum.
00:27:35
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But yeah, I don't, how did you feel about that voiceover element? You know, i like to be guided. i like to be guided through things. um So I like that aspect. I don't always love it.
00:27:52
Speaker
um But I didn't mind it in this movie at all. I thought it was great because otherwise, what is what is going on? And I love it when the main character or whoever can hear the voice and no one else can.
00:28:08
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Yeah. It's great because we can hear it. So it sounds ah I've been trying to put on this Ryan Reynolds movie that you're reluctant to watch called The Voices. I've never seen it, but I think it's him hearing in voices that other people can't hear. I think it's his pets that he's hearing talking to him. Now I definitely not watching it. What kind of that sounds what Ryan Reynolds.
00:28:29
Speaker
you You think it's his pets talking to him? I think that's the concept of the movie. Yeah, yeah that doesn't entice me. I think they're telling him to kill people, possibly. What? Yeah.
00:28:42
Speaker
Kind of like this, actually. That sounds very silly. Yeah, I think it's a horror comedy. um i thought this might be a horror comedy, but this is very bleak through and through, I'd say. You know, it did kind of present itself. I feel like...
00:28:59
Speaker
it set itself up to have some sort of comedic, you know, input. I thought it was kind going to be like the monkey at some point where I'm realizing, wait, this has some humor in it. The humor never came.
00:29:13
Speaker
Yeah. It's pretty dour moodiness, which I typically don't go for, but you know what? It worked. Why? I, I at least, um, what's the word?
00:29:26
Speaker
I just let it go. I accepted it because of every other element. Did you like this one more than the monkey? No. No.
00:29:37
Speaker
I don't think so. I don't know. That was like one of your favorite movies. First movie we saw together. I know. That's why like, ah. I really like The Monkey. These guys got juice feed. You can go check out Movies with Bae, our commentary on The Monkey. It's a pretty fun one if you want to hear a little bit more of us two and our dynamic.
00:30:00
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Yeah, check it out. Yeah. ah Yeah, this movie's pretty dour through and through. um Was there anything in the intro that you had wanted to talk about? Yeah. So, oh, in the intro, just like in the beginning of the movie. Oh, because you had mentioned the intro, but you can talk about whatever. so going back to the the gore, because that's really what i i loved about this, um and I'm a gory person.
00:30:26
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I hated that the first sign of gore in this movie, the first shot of blood just looked absolutely fake. Like it just obviously this is fake, but can we get some sort of make make me think it's real? Yeah, it's eight-year-old Billy's dad vomiting up blood at- Grandfather. Grandfather, sorry. Yeah. Vomiting up blood at this his like nursing home or whatever. We later find out in the movie that his parents poisoned him. I had no idea why. I was like, did he get fed razor blades or something? What the fuck is happening? Yeah, way it came out, I was like, what it is happening? that Whatever they poisoned him with were two pills. Yeah.
00:31:09
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Now, you're a medical professional. What do you think they would have poisoned him with to have caused that kind of vomit? um I have no idea. I don't know what his medication regimen Cherry maybe? What? Cherry pie. Poisoned cherry pie. Let me tell you, somebody at It looked like he puked up just red Maybe I'll look it up. I saw the pills, and I remember what the pills looked like. um There were two capsules. Half the capsule was yellow. Half was, like, black. So I'm going to look up to see if that's even a real medication. you're going to look up yellow and black and pills. Just so you guys know. Yes. If you do ever find a mysterious pill and you're not sure what it is, you can Google, you can research. There's lots of websites that will identify drugs and pills. Um,
00:31:53
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in case you accidentally drop your patient's pill on the floor and you're not sure which one it is to replace. You know? Real knives out situation. Yeah, sometimes you just can't tell if that's an ibuprofen or an M&M. So you got to look it up. You know, they're quite similar. Yeah. Yeah. Especially the, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:32:17
Speaker
Yeah. So whatever they poisoned him with ah worked. he And he projectile vomited blood in the most cartoonish manner I've ever seen in real life.
00:32:31
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Yeah, it was pretty cartoonish. And at some point, this like there's a creepy old lady that we open up with, and she's blind. That really that combined with the volume issue we were having and the lights being on made me feel so unsettled. Honestly, the lights funny yeah the lights being on throughout this whole intro made me feel unsettled.
00:32:56
Speaker
It added to the intensity and the really uncomfortable feeling I was getting throughout this whole beginning sequence of the movie. But then there's the creepy janitor who pops in, who we later find out is the Santa that is occupying Billy's mind. Yeah, was significant. He was weird. And that's another thing that made me feel like this was...
00:33:20
Speaker
when i When it started, I'm like, oh, this is this is one of those B movies you guys talk about, right? Because he was creeping on the family from a from like a closet in the most inconspicuous way.
00:33:31
Speaker
yeah Like, sir, you're not... we see I see you. I'm looking at you. So it was so like... I'm sorry, are you supposed to be hiding? Like, it just seemed... like it was supposed to be silly and not taken seriously yeah i do like that you're saying it's like these b movies that you guys have been talking about like we're just all hiding b movies from you i recently discovered that you know how people like get a term online and they just like kill it they just reuse it b movie is my term of the month i've been calling everything a b movie I should have never shown you.
00:34:05
Speaker
I should have never shown you B movie. Here we go. sorry i knew Yeah. Jerry Seinfeld. Would you like to know what the pill that he had was? You guys are going to laugh because they should hire people like me, real nurses and real just health care professionals, pharmacy techs, whatever on set so you guys can get.
00:34:28
Speaker
You can get it right. You can get it accurate because they gave him two pills of Macrobid. Macrobid is an antibiotic. Whoa. It's an antibiotic. Homeboy had a UTI?
00:34:41
Speaker
Maybe they were hiding it in, and i'm hiding whatever poison in the antibiotic pill shells. That would take a lot of work to empty those. I mean, I guess.
00:34:53
Speaker
I guess. Yeah, they they maybe they did that. Oh, sucks for him. Well, he signed over everything to them shortly before they poisoned him.
00:35:05
Speaker
How evil. That poor kid. He was like, I just came here to see my grandpa. And I talked to my grandpa for two seconds. He projectile vomited and died. And then my parents just took me out of the nursing home. Yeah, then, you know, moments later they get stopped by a suspicious car and the dude gets out and shoots the dad in the face with a shotgun or something. Yeah, dad goes up to the window like, hey, buddy, you just, you know, hit my car, um which obviously he did on purpose as bait.
00:35:39
Speaker
And then, boom, right in the face. That's creepy. That's something that always unsettles me. Like, weird people and car stuff at night, people needing help with their cars at night. There's this movie called I Saw the Devil. It's a Korean horror movie that's super fucking brutal, really powerful, and ah there's...
00:36:05
Speaker
just stuff with cars in that movie, and I just think, you know, I don't know if I'm ever going to help somebody stranded with a car. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but also these stories are stories for a reason. They're not coming from an entirely false place. You're not a bad person because you would want to help.
00:36:23
Speaker
It's just that because of... the risk you know ain't gonna you know yeah we're not going to especially not with like you in the car or something but even alone don't think i would help somebody that feels especially alone oh yeah that's that's dangerous don't even like the thought yeah it it's creepy but Yeah, this movie, I'd say, does that stuff pretty well. The dad gets his head blown off, and the mom ends up taking the heel to her shoe and stabbing it in the janitor's jugular.
00:37:03
Speaker
And yeah that's the second time this month I've gotten some cool shoe heel stuff. You were watching Wreck 3 with me. Did you catch the heel through the zombie's skull?
00:37:14
Speaker
I don't remember that in rec three. Oh, the bride did that? Yeah, the bride does that. Okay. And she's climbing up a ladder. oh yeah. I remember that. Wait, you said the mom killed the janitor? Yeah, the mom kicks at the janitor and I think her heel goes in his jugular and he still shoots her, though. He still kills her in the process. Oh, okay. was say, because she she did get shot. Yeah.
00:37:37
Speaker
And then, you know... He gets down to the ground and Billy's like shocked, but somehow gravitates toward this man who just killed both of his parents. And unbeknownst to him, his life was about to change. Yeah, it was a very ghost of Christmas past, ghost of Christmas present type of impact that he had on young Billy. We're getting all of this parceled out throughout the story. They don't tell us all of this up front. And I kind of appreciate that. it felt like it gave me more of a reason to stay seated and watching the thing. Because I was curious what happened to Billy. How does he have this voice? I kind of hope it's actually Santa.
00:38:24
Speaker
Spoilers, it's not. It's this janitor named Charlie. Charlie. jolly You're the one who pointed out that he calls him Charlie. Yeah. Yeah, I thought, ah and kudos to you, I didn't catch it at first. And the... Yeah, i there was something to that. I was starting to think like, okay, is Charles or Charlie, can that be Saint Nick or something? Kris Kringle is... Oh, Saint Charles. Yeah, is that... Right? Is that ah a name for Santa? Because I wanted it so badly to be the real Santa. I wanted it to be adjacent to the Tim Allen Santa Claus movie where it's Santa's voice he's hearing in his head acting as Venom basically.
00:39:11
Speaker
Yeah, I think Tim Allen could have been his guide to serial killerhood. that I mean, that would have been pretty awesome. It would have been a dead giveaway. Like, why is Buzz Lightyear fucking talking to this majestic voice. It works. It works. Yeah, I did find the scene where they're transferring their his where Charlie is basically going inside of Billy and occupying his brain or whatever.
00:39:43
Speaker
i thought that was really ridiculous imagery. It's almost like red lightning. I literally did, too. So when it first when they first showed us that he shot up from a dream. So once again, i was like, oh, thank God. It was just like a dream. Like, that's not a real thing they're putting in here. Goodness me. Can you imagine if they did some cheeseball shit like that?
00:40:07
Speaker
Well, well. That's the reality. It was real. Yeah. It was real. Yeah. So again, I was like, ah some B movie shit. Yeah. Because they could have they could have edited to look a little more just like for me to take it a little more seriously.
00:40:24
Speaker
No, i agree. I thought they could have left some ambiguity to it or made it a little bit more abstract. kind of have it, maybe he walks up to him and they just, their eyes meet. And then I thought it would be kind of cooler, like maybe he started kind of hearing this voice a little bit and then he started to get to know the voice and all of that. But it's very matter of fact, this guy now just, there was a transference of power or energy or some of spirit. I it that black glove
00:40:59
Speaker
like i i first assumed it was in that black glove so it was going to be that glove you know and then like he'd have to wear that glove to do the deeds but no it was just a touch a real if it doesn't fit you must quit type of situation right right exactly i see what you're going for the black it's all in the black glove y'all Yeah. That that would have been interesting too. i It just being so straightforward and being like this is almost like a lightning shock that was happening seemed up a little bit ridiculous to me.
00:41:36
Speaker
But yeah and Not to spoil the whole movie, but yeah we get that same transference at the very end of the movie too with a the guy going into the girl. and i know we're not at the end of the episode yet, but I'm hoping we get a number two.
00:41:56
Speaker
A number two? Yeah. Well, ok so let's save that for that should we save these for the end of the episode. Sure, I guess. I'm just confused because how many there's so many of these movies. We don't need any more. There's five of the original ones. Yeah.
00:42:11
Speaker
Yeah, I guess. We're good. ah What I was reading, because I don't know if I fully touched on this, I was reading that the first Silent Night, Deadly Night has a narration. It's like Mother Holiday or Mother Christmas or something like that.
00:42:26
Speaker
Oh. And then... As the sequels go on, they change it to be, oh, this narrator is an inner voice that Billy is hearing. So they eventually get there with it. But I don't know if the backstories are the same. i'm Maybe I got to go through and watch all the Silent Night, Deadly Nights. You want to? I mean, are we going to cover them? We can attempt. there's Aren't there literally five of the very original and then um reimagined in like 2012? Then there's more of that. This is the second remake. Is it? This is the second remake. You're sure of that. This is second remake of the 90s. It says it right here is the second remake.
00:43:08
Speaker
I have receipts I pulled up. By the way, guys, donate to Wikipedia you use it. Please. Thank you. Thanks for plugging Wikipedia. yeah Wikipedia, call me. Yeah. So we'll ah we'll get to the ending in a little bit, I guess. Yeah. Some interesting stuff that happens in this thing.
00:43:30
Speaker
They kill Nazis. I didn't expect that. so that was a big, what the fuck for me? That was your favorite part? No. Well, it was nice to see. is a family podcast. Watch your mouth.
00:43:43
Speaker
Man, fuck them kids it was so to me out of nowhere like we didn't know but he didn't even expect to walk into this place and experience nazis i would have expected the ku klux klan before nazis you know one in the same but still i was like wait is that a fucking swastika Is what we're doing? Yeah, and they they give it a little bit of time for us as the audience to be clued into that because he walks in and he's targeting this older lady that he meets. So there's like a he starts working at a shop, ends up crushing on a girl that like get super lets him get super close to her way too fast and easily. it's She's a tortured soul.
00:44:32
Speaker
the Yeah, whatever. I don't know. This dude's kind of bland. She's moody and broody and she loves serial killers and true crime. oh Yeah. This, yeah, this lady. i I do really like the character and the performance of the character. I just don't by her having any interest in this guy but so he starts working at a shop and they get close and they go to a hockey game together and he spots this older lady and it's like i need to fucking kill her i need to get my rocks off it's the only way i get hard it charlie's charlie's telling him that yeah you have to kill her Charlie slash Venom is talking to Billy slash Tom Hardy. So, yeah, he's like, you have to kill her. And he tracks her down at some Santa convention. Pretty convenient for him, right?
00:45:26
Speaker
And so he walks in and we're not really clued on to what's happening. It is not a Santa convention, but keep going. Well... We don't know what it is. It's a holiday party for the Nazis. Well, we don't know the Nazi thing yet. True, true. Yeah, it's just there's music. It's bumping. it' It's all the fucking. Yeah, that's what they listen to. Yeah, all the. Everybody park their guns outside. They have a gun check-in at the door.
00:45:50
Speaker
ah A rifle check-in. And all the Santas are, you know, dancing and all that. And then he kind of collects himself and is like, I'm going to have to kill this whole party. And you're just thinking, why? And he walks back in and gets ready. And then the camera reveals...
00:46:07
Speaker
Oh, these guys are Nazis. And it reminded me of one battle after another, oddly enough, because I guess minor spoilers for that movie, not really. There's a white supremacist group in that, and it's clearly making fun of one the ridiculous notion of white supremacy but also how dumb their names are too and this group and how dumb their traditions are just how dumb the concept is from the ground up and there's this group that's called they're like the christmas patrol or something like that it's what
00:46:50
Speaker
Yeah, and they're a white supremacist group that's hiding under the theme of Christmas, and at their meetings they say, Hail Santa, because it sounds like Hail Satan. you did mention that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's so stupid. Because they all wanted a white Christmas, is essentially what they say, like that's their theme. They want a white Christmas. This really reminded me of that, but I mean, so you were you were into this Nazi stuff?
00:47:18
Speaker
Why would you ask me anything like that? not into the... No, don't phrase it like that. Okay. thought at first, this is so random.
00:47:31
Speaker
What is this? I mean, it it may makes sense later on when everything, all the pieces start to come together, you know, about why. maybe the movie creators chose this group to display because they had to bring in people who did bad right they have to have bad people and so what better other than a white hood party what's the next best thing a windmill party yeah yeah why are you looking at me i didn't say i thought you had more to say oh
00:48:08
Speaker
No, no. But yeah, anyway, I'm glad they brought that group of people in. It was entertaining AF to see, but he was determined to knock heads off manually. And, you know, i give him I give him credit for that. Yeah, I thought that, I'm glad that they decided to go with him axe murdering everybody.
00:48:32
Speaker
it Because I would see Santa as an axe murderer. Santa doesn't have a gun. Santa doesn't do knives. Santa carries an axe in that sack. You know i mean? So the biggest negative I can, I'm going to throw at the scene and him using an axe is I felt like the action wasn't that compelling or interesting to watch.
00:48:58
Speaker
but i'm I much preferred him using an axe over the imagery of this guy walking in and slaughtering a group of people with no exit with a gun. I didn't really want to watch that in a movie today. Yeah, although...
00:49:14
Speaker
Although you have to remember who they are. Yeah. The imagery in the year 2025, like something like that is just is a little too close to home. Yeah. It would have felt too dark for me, no matter who was it. Just the idea of that event happening. Okay, I'll kind of give you that. Again, I want you to remember who they were, though.
00:49:36
Speaker
yeah I'm not sure if they would have even allowed a scene like that to play in theaters. That would be pretty transgressive. Because... oh just a slaughtering of anybody at gunpoint. I don't know if that if that would just be allowed. Like, the movie Gangster Squad, I know this was 13 years ago, but that movie had people getting shot in a movie theater and the trailer and then the Dark Knight Rises thing happened in Colorado.
00:50:06
Speaker
And, yeah, they they had to go back and take that scene out of the movie. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's fair. Like, I totally get... These were Nazis. I don't know. Like, I just can't get past the fact that they were Nazis. No, I'm not defending them, and I'm not saying that... So how they're slaughtered is how they're slaughtered, but do commend him for the manual slaughtering of the Nazis rather than taking out the automatic...
00:50:34
Speaker
or you know anything like that. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. And yeah, he goes after this lady, and I kind of like the way that she dies. She gets decapitated, and her head lands, and her- highly appreciated that kill Yeah, her i I like. So you haven't seen the movie Dead Snow. I think that's what it's called. But the shot of her decapitated head laying in the snow next to her hat felt like it was almost a shot out to dead snow. I kind of appreciated that. But why? What did you like about the decapitation?
00:51:11
Speaker
i What a strange phrase. I appreciated how m how little more realistic it was because I feel like in movies when somebody gets decapitated, It's a clean cut right at the neck. Just so perfect. He was swinging blindly almost, right? Because he was hiding behind a tree when he came out to swing at her. So it didn't hit at her neck. It hit like right in the middle of her mouth, like right under her top lip. So it's like this is very detailed and specific.
00:51:47
Speaker
But that type of cut is just like, oh, that's more realistic. It wasn't any type of clean, like off the neck type of thing. But it was decapitation for the books.
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah. Pretty solid decapitation. Yeah, that might be one of the bigger scenes. It feels like that's where a lot of the money went was that particular part of the movie.
00:52:10
Speaker
There's also a backdrop to this movie, like the serial killer backdrop that we're getting. What was then? Is it the strangler or the the taker? What was the name of the killer? Oh, the one that was ah taking the children? Yeah.
00:52:25
Speaker
um the the snatcher the snatcher snatcher yeah snatcher no snatching that's what you have to say to him to keep him away but yeah one thing that i thought was like did you pick up the on the fact that they were trying to set up the love interest to possibly be the snatcher the the ex love interest No, the girl who he's who works at the shop with him. absolutely not. i You didn't pick up on that? Yeah, that was not a theme that stood out to me at all. So there's a point where her dad and i think brother are talking about her and they talk about how it's like she has voices in her head that she hears saying,
00:53:09
Speaker
And Billy gets intrigued and immediately asks about the Snatcher. And I the like no segue just immediately starts asking about the Snatcher.
00:53:20
Speaker
And part of me was thinking, OK, that might be an indication that Billy is wondering if she does have voices and she's actually a killer and he can relate to her her in that way. I thought they were maybe going to take that route. That's what I was thinking too is that his ears perked up when he heard that because he's like, oh, somebody else that's like me. Even if it wasn't like, because what are the chances she's a serial killer?
00:53:47
Speaker
He's like, Regardless, like, oh, she's a little crazy. She hears things. She is more likely to understand me. So I'm digging it, is what he probably thought. Yeah, and i I don't know if I would have liked it more if they went in that route. I was kind of hoping that's where it was going to lean. I kind of wanted it to get a little weird. Let's get a Mr. and Mrs. Claus murdering duo, and we might get some form of that.
00:54:17
Speaker
in a possible sequel we'll get to that but um yeah i don't know how that would require her having to fall in love again or something i don't know but i could see how that would have been a good a good little dealing according to the santa claus to search for the mrs claus think that's what it's called search they just have to get married and she becomes mrs claus right so she can't she can't marry billy Well, I mean, she could have before everything went wrong. Before the tragedy? yeah yeah But I thought we were maybe going to get some type of killer duo at the end, but that's not really the direction this movie takes. It actually, there is a real snatcher.
00:55:04
Speaker
he he tries to take... um I don't remember the love interest name. I apologize. but um Pam. Pam? thought you said Ham. ham Pam.
00:55:18
Speaker
Pam with a P. Pamela. Are you saying Ham? Pam Sims. Pam with an MN at the end. The N is silent. What is that? Ham. Carry on. Okay. So, shout out to stepbrothers.
00:55:38
Speaker
But... ah Their bit was different. Their version of it was better. But so anyway, Pam, the snatcher snatches up her brother and has him in the back of a truck and their dad goes and finds him in the snatcher comes and shoots him in the back of the head.
00:55:59
Speaker
So they end up going on this mission to go and find him. That's something I don't know if I loved. I don't know how the originals are. It seems like it's just a guy putting on a Santa suit and killing people. This one, they make the Santa killer a hero. He has, he's got a superpower. I i don't know if that's, like you said, I don't know if that's how the other ones went, but I i really like that. I appreciate it when a movie makes me like the villain.
00:56:32
Speaker
it It just it put you on the villain side. Villain. Is it a villain? don't know. I might call him a hero. i think this guy's a hero. I'm just saying. um Did he but go after the UnitedHealth CEO? No.
00:56:50
Speaker
We can't talk about that. Yeah. Was he wearing a Santa costume, that guy? That would have given him away a little too much, you know? Yeah.
00:57:01
Speaker
Anyway. You can't hide in a McDonald's in a Santa costume. think that's too hot for this podcast. We're not a political podcast, but... Anyway, fuck Nazis. Yeah, I agree. But oh I pull a Sidney Sweeney and just say dead quiet. Oh, my God. Could you imagine...
00:57:22
Speaker
No, he couldn't. Yeah, he couldn't. OK, so. Oh, man. It's a hot episode. Our Christmas episode. Let's cool it down. with some snow on it.
00:57:33
Speaker
OK, so what were we talking about exactly? You were saying how they may have been alluding to Pam being the snatcher. Oh, yeah. I was talking about how they made him a hero, basically. That's something that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. At least have some gray area in there. Give me that a little bit. They made him fully a good guy by the end of this, I would say. And ah I would have appreciated a little bit more gray area. Like, maybe he killed some people selfishly or something. Yeah.
00:58:10
Speaker
But that was never his own M.O. Maybe it took him a while to get rehabilitated and start killing actual bad people. He was a child. He's basically the Punisher in a Santa outfit.
00:58:22
Speaker
ah The equalizer. Yeah. The equalizer. Yeah. He equalizes things. He was played by Denzel at a certain point in this movie. Apparently. Yeah. He was swinging at the Nazis.
00:58:36
Speaker
so yeah he basically and there's a scene where Pam Pan? Pam all right where Pam is so heartbroken in bed over not me just remembering the scene you're trying to talk about that's so silly Yeah.
00:58:56
Speaker
So Pam is heartbroken in bed in this scene. Billy is just hugging her, consoling her. And I was just thinking, why?
00:59:08
Speaker
She's known this guy for three days and he she's let him in her bed to console him. This dude's a weirdo. He's got no charisma. He kind of just drifted in from nowhere.
00:59:20
Speaker
He's very quiet, very mysterious. But I like to think That it wasn't three days just because that's what it seemed like to us. She needs to do some background checks. Like, ask questions. like what What Stephen King novel did you crawl out of, kid? Like, geez. Look at the town. People like that roll in every Saturday. Yeah, it seems like it. Oh, this was in Maine, probably. Yeah. Look at the cars. Look at the police vehicles. That always tells me everything I need to know about the town. Yeah. but They have a fucking Nazi rally. I'm going to stop talking about that, guys. I'm sorry. This could be anywhere in the country.
01:00:02
Speaker
um All right. But so I did find it kind of funny when they're in bed, though, and he's like, I'm going to tell her my secret. And the whole time i keep almost saying Venom, but Santa, Charlie, whatever you want to call him. is Charlie is his name. Yeah. He's Santa to me. All right. Oh, wow. Okay.
01:00:24
Speaker
He was the first person I saw in a Santa costume. Not my Santa. Hashtag not my Santa. But so he's like, I'm going to tell her. And Charlie's like, this is a mistake. Don't do it. And he tells her. And she' seems she's very cool. She gets on board with it immediately. Super cool with it.
01:00:43
Speaker
And they go on a road trip to go and track this guy down. i wouldn't say. I think she took a beat. I think she took a beat and then was like, you know what? Hell yeah. She took a beat after he really gets into it, and he's like, here's my backstory. Then we get a montage of a bunch of killings, which this is what I meant. A lot of violence in this movie, but it was like flashback killings. There's not characters that we care about that are really in peril much throughout this thing, or really the subject to any kind of violence or danger, which
01:01:18
Speaker
Yeah, that's another thing that it kind of makes it a little harder for me to grasp on to this movie. That's fair, because even even down to the kids, right? Like, we don't know...
01:01:31
Speaker
Any of these kids, they keep kind of briefly showing us some um missing children signs and stuff, but we don't know anything. Like, did the did um Pam's nephew get kidnapped at any point? Because that's the only kid that yeah we got a little little sorry for because he was bullied.
01:01:51
Speaker
So that that's who it is. I called him her brother, but that's her nephew. Oh, okay. That's why I was confused. Okay. He's the one in the back of the truck, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. So, I mean, just a very little bit there, right?
01:02:07
Speaker
And then also we kind of get a little bit of the dad ah you know he's lost his wife he's running this christmas shop we kind of connect to him a little bit he's looking for some help he hires billy um he loves his daughter protected of you know thatda da we get that but you do have a point where it comes to let's say the people who did get murdered we we don't know much about them
01:02:38
Speaker
And then the crimes that they committed. So the guy who, you know, killed his wife and they discovered that with the smell in the house. Well, you know, you killed him, but.
01:02:52
Speaker
He already did the bad deed kind of thing. The Nazi woman. I really wish they would have shown us a little bit more what her other than being a Nazi. They showed like a flash of her almost hunting someone. Like somebody was tied to a chair with a...
01:03:10
Speaker
bullet thingy behind them and then she just like shot him in the head don't know what that was very hard to catch oh yeah it looked like it was just an ambiguous person of color that she was that she was just using as practice yeah target practice okay Yeah, so, like, um we just don't... We don't have, like, a a villain that we're like, okay, I know more about them. I know the backstory. They really deserve to get it in. They're going to keep killing if we don't get them. The Snatcher's the only one who's going to keep doing the crime.
01:03:46
Speaker
Yeah. And who the hell is the Snatcher? Yeah, and ah so I know this isn't the same kind of horror movie. This... I don't know what I would put this in. It's kind of in the same category maybe as the David Harbour Santa movie that came out not too long ago. These movies really like making the guy who dresses up as Santa be the hero and not be put in whole lot of peril. Even though the David Harbour one, he gets beat off. Yeah, how are you going to paint Santa as a villain? It's Santa.
01:04:14
Speaker
Terrifier does it pretty well. We all know that's not Santa. That's art. I believe that it is going by Tim Allen's The Santa Claus logic. That's really actually very wild for you to give art that much.
01:04:27
Speaker
Ooh, child, no. Okay, so a very different movie than this, but Us is a movie where that we don't even have characters that we care about necessarily die at any point, but there are characters that we care about that are in peril regularly throughout the movie, and they're in peril in interesting and fun sequences, And at this, the only time I really feel like anybody's under threat, any threat is Pam when she's in the ball pit with the snatcher and they so like the venom voice in his head starts saying she's under the ball pit. He's got the knife to her. You need to do. that And he solves the problem like perfectly. There's almost no issue with it.
01:05:17
Speaker
He's not in any kind of danger. she wasn't in any kind of real danger to begin with there's the movie doesn't handle suspense in the best way and i know i'm lobbying a lot of like criticism in it but i still like i said the stuff that works for me did really work for me enough to get this to like a three three and a half star though and this is a movie i would potentially re-watch around this time of year I think I would rewatch it too. Of course, I gave it a higher rating, so I like it because I often don't like to rewatch movies at all. So me saying I would rewatch a movie, i think it's, it's a for me, it's a good movie.
01:05:59
Speaker
because I will see it again. You know, I don't mind. I want to see it again. i want to look for, i guess, more the second time. That's why people watch movies multiple times. But I'm ah usually like, oh, I've seen it. I've seen what I need to see.
01:06:12
Speaker
And I'm good. But I would watch this again outside of Christmas time. What are your thoughts on the ball pit sequence and all of that? Did you find it suspenseful? Did it really work for you?
01:06:26
Speaker
I thought it was suspensal but suspenseful, but you know about me and little bit of realism. I need to remember these are movies. Everything can't be realistic because in a ball pit, when you stop moving, I'm sorry, it's going to take a while for everything to settle and everything settled in like one second for it to seem like they escaped the ball pit. Right.
01:06:51
Speaker
Yeah. The snatcher and the hostage. And also the hostage would be writhing. Would they not under that ball pit? Well, he has the knife to her neck. So I was like, okay, that makes it a little bit believable. But before the mention of that, I was thinking, why can we not see any ball moving from her just slightly moving? Exactly. Like even her foot, you know, something.
01:07:15
Speaker
Yeah. she A breath. She isn't moving an inch. She immediately pauses down there. And also- And how did he cover both of them? They are both fully submerged. Isn't that deep?
01:07:26
Speaker
They got down there pretty quickly and got fully submerged. And then also he's telling her, if you move, I'm going to slit your throat. It's not like these balls are like super soundproof. I feel like you can hear somebody in a ball pit yeah right below you. Yeah, there's there's nothing to to block the sound at all. Yeah, there's a lot of air, open yeah air, actually, underneath those things. it's so unrealistic hide, um but good kill per direction from Charlie in Billy's head.
01:08:01
Speaker
Actually, can I say good kill? We don't really see too much. It's kind of dark. Yeah, he switches from his knife to a box cutter and he just starts stabbing him a bunch. Then the Snatcher starts stabbing Billy in the stomach a bunch.
01:08:16
Speaker
And we still don't know who this Snatcher is. The Snatcher, is he is he anybody Exactly, see? So it's a guy with the white hair, but we we never saw his face. We've only seen the guy with the white hair yeah from the back.
01:08:34
Speaker
No, so, and the... Charlie keeps giving Billy flashes of what people actually did, which is a part I actually almost, like, hated. i didn't need them to give me the visual representation of what Charlie was showing them. Because I didn't buy... how would How is Charlie getting this movie footage edited, like, snapshots of key information? And how is he not able to give him the full picture? is Charlie getting this movie edited? yeah what Like, the stuff that we're seeing, what is...
01:09:13
Speaker
the capability, what are the rules of this? It seems so sloppily handled and set up and it's just a thing that they just use to be like, yeah, here's, you get it. He's a good guy. He shows him that these guys are the bad guys. I didn't fully like it I feel like they could have found a ah ah better way for Charlie to get across that these people were bad. Maybe he just tells him like, and he just has to trust him. I didn't buy the visions that he was showing him.
01:09:48
Speaker
I think it it could have been good um if it was more description based. If Charlie was more like, you see that son of a gun over there? he hung up his wife two days ago and strung her like a blah, blah, You know, like just some sort of description that could have been nice too. Yeah. But also, we don't know how this...
01:10:11
Speaker
transfer of santa came about we don't know anything about this advent calendar because remember there's an advent calendar that has so much caked on blood oh clearly this thing is so old reverse advent calendar right you have to give it blood instead of taking chocolate from it every day which it's like never explain why you have to give it blood never explain if something bad were to happen if you did not add blood to because remember he did a day without a kill and I think someone else kills somebody I think that's and what the deal is and it's with not within his control so it could be somebody that's innocent who gets killed I want to say that's what happens if they don't kill somebody
01:10:56
Speaker
Okay. And the snatcher ends up, I think, killing somebody on the day that he doesn't ah kill somebody. Maybe that's why the dad gets killed. I'm not completely sure.
01:11:09
Speaker
Not sure either. Because he got like, he started falling in love, right? So then he wasn't killing or anything. But again, it doesn't explain anywhere how this all even came to start. And typically I like I need that in the movie. Yeah, I want you to write out and tell me everything. Spill it all out for me. I don't want to have to figure out anything myself. But I'm OK with this one not necessarily feeding that all to us because there were other parts that were fed to us. So I'm like, OK, this random curse that came out of the sky, we'll just accept that it is a thing.
01:11:45
Speaker
And it comes with an advent calendar and a Santa suit. it's Where's my Santa suit? We can just chalk it up to Christmas magic.
01:11:58
Speaker
It's all Christmas magic that caused all of this. Yes, Christmas magic. It's a Christmas miracle. The advent calendar goes... came from actual Santa that would make sense that's a good way to add actual Santa you know i maybe if we get a sequel they will add more lore to this because I mean I'll just get through the ending real quick if you're cool with that Yeah, they ah basically they save Pam's ah nephew and they're on their way out. He's all bloody and stabbed.
01:12:35
Speaker
And this guy, I think he's a sheriff or something that Pam used to date, who we haven't really touched on. He's not that important. He's kind of creeping in the background. He comes up and shoots Billy, shoots him dead.
01:12:49
Speaker
I'm pretty sure people who had seen the original were surprised by that. Is that what somebody gasped at, actually, when we were watching it? Somebody had a big reaction to a death.
01:13:01
Speaker
I don't know. was that i remember. i think that might have been when Billy died, because somebody said, like, oh, my God. And you and I looked at each other like... I do remember the oh, my God. Yeah, like, is this their first time? Like... It's not that shocking, but I'm thinking now, okay, if you're a fan of these Silent Night, Deadly Night movies, you're probably thinking, wait, they killed Billy in the first one? They're killing him in this remake? So what is this?
01:13:26
Speaker
Oh, Billy is some sort of reoccurring character? I want to say he comes back for all the sequels. I haven't seen them, but from what I read a little bit of online, it looks like he comes back for more than just the first one. Okay. Okay.
01:13:40
Speaker
So he gets shot dead and... Not shot live. Shot almost dead. And ah we start to get more visions.
01:13:51
Speaker
Oh, no, this doesn't happen yet, actually. So he gets shot dead and... Or almost dead and Pam comes up and... Billy lures her over there and unconsensually puts his voice inside of her body. I felt like it was very... He should have asked...
01:14:10
Speaker
The way you describe it is so not like, that is not what happens. That is exactly what happens. like somebody's going to picture it a whole different way. The curse transferred, okay?
01:14:22
Speaker
But he didn't ask if she wanted it. No. It was like yeah i'm not consensual. She was like, I want you to stay here. And he's like, I want to go where you're going or whatever. and But remember, if you remember what Billy said when it happened to him with Charlie, he felt a pull.
01:14:39
Speaker
towards Charlie. He felt like he navigated towards Charlie. And so I think it may have been that she may have been navigated or pulled towards Billy because of the curse. Fair enough.
01:14:53
Speaker
But so she grabs ah his hand and yeah, the transfer happens. Billy is now in Pam's head. And this sheriff guy is like, it's OK, baby, we're going to ride off together in the sunset. And she starts getting the flashes of what this guy's done.
01:15:12
Speaker
And he. Mind you, he's also like physically abused her. Oh, yeah. They set that up earlier. That's all she knew that he did, right? Up until... Yeah, he punched her. And a very... I mean, that scene I felt was kind of creepy and weird when they're in the ah police interrogation room. The lights in our theater were still on at that point, though. So that kind of added to the intensity. I felt like we were interrogating her on the other side of that desk.
01:15:44
Speaker
I felt like he was going to do something very inappropriate. But speaking of intensity, I'm not usually a big... score person when it comes to movies because you know sometimes the songs are good sometimes the sounds are there to evoke a certain emotion and they do that but there was some part in this and I do want to watch this again because I don't remember it and I should have written it down there was some part where the score I pointed it out to you i was like wow this music It was so intense. I remember Mr. Sims was in the scene. um The shop owner, Pam's dad, was in the scene. Shout out to him real quick. yeah I really liked his performance. Yeah. I think he was he was pretty great. That
01:16:28
Speaker
that that score at that moment and kind of like stuck out for me and I was like huh that was really good that was some intense stuff I lately have been feeling like movie scores are just like sad or random or what do I know I just know that this one scene that was a hit another point for Gryffindor That was bop.
01:16:55
Speaker
So I get what you mean. I don't know the exact point in the score that you're talking about there, but there's a ah The score does a lot of... I don't know if it's a cello tune super low, but a lot of like... do da do the doda doda do do do Like low cello. It's supposed to be intense. Yeah.
01:17:17
Speaker
It really works. i want to It's such a creepy noise. I want more of that in horror. I feel like that's not a noise I've heard in a horror movie in a while. Just a really low string with a bow. String is my... ah String and horror go together like...
01:17:33
Speaker
peas and carrots like a good so what do they call it like a a streak when the string goes is just like a little too high pitched and it's like so jex juxtaposed and it like almost hurts your ears almost like an insidious type of thing like the psycho inspired yeah uh violin or fiddle Yeah.
01:17:55
Speaker
A fiddle. Yeah. A good fiddle. Or cello. I don't know what it is exactly for Psycho. It might be all of the above, actually. Heck, why not?
01:18:06
Speaker
um Yeah, after Pam sees these visions of her old, you know, abusive ex, basically in league with the Snatcher, she bites off his nose. And you were like, you almost stood up clapping in this moment. No, literally, I didn't. fully love Pam's like personality or i don i don't I don't know no they could have given me a little more depth as to why I get why she's angsty on the surface but she's like too old to be angsty so they should have given a little bit more and you know I don't
01:18:43
Speaker
When a bitch just wants to be angsty in a movie, I'm like, oh my God, girl, get over yourself type of thing. But when she went, she went from zero to 100 and I was like, I, i relate.
01:18:55
Speaker
i was like, that's me. That's so nice. you said You said girl power, actually. Oh, okay. Pop. Yeah, whatever. Pop off, sis. I love that. She like really, when she got angry, she got angry. She went in. She bit his nose off. She wasn't even going to allow either of them to get up for anything to change in the dynamic. She had a strange upper hand and she's like, I'm going to take this opportunity to do the craziest shit I've ever done in my life.
01:19:24
Speaker
Heck, she might have actually done that before. And she wouldn't did that. And yeah, now she's going to go on to basically be Mrs. Claus, I assume. well Oh, Lord. Yeah, I mean, unless it's just female Santa. Is it time for female Santa?
01:19:42
Speaker
is You know, I didn't think about that. You think she's going to carry on with wearing the costumes? I assumed she was just going to be Mrs. Claus and it was going to be Silent Night, Deadly Night with Claus. That would be interesting. Is this the first female to have the curse? Someone has to, I mean, it's about time, right? sure For a Mrs. Claus serial killer. You know what? Hell yeah. yeah It's about time yeah women start getting curses. I'm,
01:20:08
Speaker
You know, it's, no you know, first female president, first female curse. We're like, we're almost there when did the first as a country. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. So close. First female curse.
01:20:26
Speaker
I don't know, but ok All right.
01:20:30
Speaker
Anyway. Yeah, i Lady curse, if you will. a lady. Good old lady curse. But, yeah, I'm hoping that... I don't know how well this movie did. i assume it's probably going to make some money. It's a remake of a classic horror movie. It's one of the only things playing in theaters that...
01:20:51
Speaker
it I mean, people who are going to see this and who really want to see this aren't going to be stopped by Avatar, I'm sure. Avatar might take up some screens, but I don't see this being a flop or a huge flop anyway. i don't know how much it costs.
01:21:08
Speaker
Couldn't have been that much. Seemed super low budget. $1.1 million, and in the film world, that's pretty low budget, right? That's super low. Yeah. So this thing's easily going to make its budget back if it hasn't made its budget back already. It could have possibly done that opening weekend.
01:21:25
Speaker
But I assume we're going to get a sequel to this thing. And I'm kind of hoping it's Mrs. What do you think? Mrs. Claus female Santa?
01:21:37
Speaker
I prefer Lady Santa. i prefer Lady Santa because why not? because why not Okay. ah I can't argue that logic. I support women's rights and women's wrongs. Remember? yeah She said that at the Criterion Closet when she picked out Thelma and Louise. I have a clip of that. I could post that online. That's cute.
01:22:00
Speaker
yeah so it was a hit everybody laughed it was one of the funnier moments everybody laughed so generous thank everybody did there's video proof of everybody laughing but so yeah um that's where the movie leaves us off at and i don't know i i had a good time with this one i've said it a couple times already but i think you was highly rated by critics right yeah i remember seeing i remember seeing 80 on rotten tomatoes which i don't listen to rotten tomatoes for any reason but i guess that's the industry standard is that crazy to say like is that that's entertainment's barometer i think that's like the like like the people who aren't cinephiles like that's their parater barometer
01:22:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's a good way to kind of gauge how people at large are feeling about the movie and the separation of critics and audience.
01:23:01
Speaker
I don't know. Do with that what you will. A lot of the times I find myself interested in the comparison. i If a lot of the critics lean positive, a lot of the times I'll tend to lean positive. they're Sometimes I'm perplexed, like, whoa.
01:23:16
Speaker
How did this many people ah gravitate towards this thing and really walk away with something? But at the end of the day, it doesn't usually end up having any power over me. But ah i will say I am very surprised. This does have an 80% critic score and a 76% audience score. i I'm very surprised by that, It's just a good little watch. Maybe it doesn't need to be, you know...
01:23:44
Speaker
Too deep. It's a good little watch. I wonder if people share my complaint. Maybe I'm alone. I thought that this was going to be a pretty like bashed movie in almost like the terrifier realm, but I guess I'm out of touch with what people think.
01:24:02
Speaker
you know All that matters is what Nicholas thinks. Okay, no. No, that wasn't sarcastic. Oh, okay. Well, now it is. I'm kidding.
01:24:14
Speaker
Yeah, but I don't know. This movie, it's ah a decent movie, a fun ah fun watch. um And a pretty quick watch, too. You know, it's not long. ah What, 96 minutes, it says.
01:24:28
Speaker
It's it it's a nice little <unk> a nice little high school period. easy Easy breezy. Yeah, you got any final thoughts? Any last things you want to shout out or mention about Silent Night, Deadly Night 2020? Yeah, 2025?
01:24:43
Speaker
I like the name. I think it's clever. It's creative. um Not original. Well. the The writers of this movie didn't come up with unfortunately. yeah, I just like it. It's really smart. If somebody was like, what would you name a Christmas movie? like This is is pretty a good idea. I'm not even confident that the screenplay was written in 2025, but the movie was released this year.
01:25:07
Speaker
Yeah. um ah Final thoughts? I just... Really appreciate what they put in. I think I got what I needed out of this. It surprised me a little bit.
01:25:21
Speaker
um Came in with low expectations, B-movie expectations. Again, didn't see the trailer and it it was appreciated for sure. Go watch it. Yeah, I gotta say, my expectations were at the floor.
01:25:37
Speaker
i Not that I thought this was going to be bad, I just didn't have expectations more so. I hadn't seen a trailer, hadn't read any review except for one, ah the film critic Chris Evangelista, and...
01:25:55
Speaker
He rated it about three stars, and he said he appreciated the take but didn't fully love it. And so I was like, okay, maybe that's how most people feel. I was walking in with that and was pleasantly surprised. I have my complaints. I think the biggest one is the violence and the action could have been shot in a more visually interesting way.
01:26:23
Speaker
That Nazi slang scene, I wanted to really blow me away. I wanted it to be this big set piece, almost the centerpiece of the movie that happens kind of early on. It would have almost felt like the movie and blowing its load a little too soon.
01:26:40
Speaker
But it seemed like it would have been the place to have a really well shot spectacle. And there were a lot of cuts, a lot of fast moving camera work. you couldn there There was, and I don't always love that. Yeah. Yeah, you couldn't really keep track of what was going on. And i think this movie would have would be so much more worth talking about if they hit it out of the park with that scene.
01:27:04
Speaker
The voiceover shit, the Venom-like Charlie, Santa character that we've got in this movie really worked hard for me. So overall, I enjoyed this thing.
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Glad you did. Hell yeah. And Rocia, thank you for joining me as the first guest on Morbid Curiosities. Yeah, thanks for having me Yeah, this is, and we should say your first non-commentary podcast that you've been a part of. I think you nailed it. This is all a commentary, isn't it? yeah Yeah, yeah, it's the first non, yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, so I mean, bravo to you Thank you for coming in. thank you. yeah You did a fantastic job, and I'm sure everybody else listening to this will agree.
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01:28:11
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01:29:01
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We're going to be trying to get some guests in here, going to be trying to get some new movies that are out in theaters onto the feed, maybe some bonus episodes.
01:29:15
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where Whoever we talk about the movie, spoiler free, the night that it comes out, we'll see what we can get on the feed. And coming up on the podcast, you know, the release order, I'm not too sure when these are going to be coming out.
01:29:29
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Wreck 4 may have come out already. If not, you're going to be getting Wreck 4. Don't worry. Spoilers for the guest. Rosia's going to be coming back for that one, too.
01:29:40
Speaker
Yeah. You haven't seen the last of her. Wow. If you were sick of me after this, who cares? yeah Who cares?
01:29:51
Speaker
I don't. Let me stop. That's mean. Oh, really hope you weren't sick of me. Was that cocky? No, I don't think anyone was sick of me. Okay, great. if If it sounds bad, I'll edit it out.
01:30:02
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But...
01:30:06
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So, yeah, we've got Rec 4. It'll either be out or it'll be coming out. And then we got a Christmas special episode coming out for you guys. A Christmas miracle.
01:30:20
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We're going to be covering Anna and the Apocalypse. I'm to have another guest on that one. I won't spoil who it is yet, but it's somebody that I've mentioned on the podcast a couple of times. And rounding out the year, not too sure what's going to happen yet.
01:30:36
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Thinking some type of top 10 episode, but I'll let you guys know on the Anna and in the Apocalypse episode. But thank you guys for being here. And we've been Morbid Curiosities.
01:30:48
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Bye.