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Nonsense and Chill - Lights. Camera, Discussion!
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*****PRE-RECORD***** Yes folks, tonight is a pre-record of Michael and Blazin' chatting about a few movie topics. Unfortunately no official live tonight since they are both on a paranormal investigation tonight! hope you all enjoy! #podcast #movies #films #nonsensicalnetwork #nonsenseandchill #comedy NETWORK Links: https://bio.link/nonsensicalnetwork
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Nonsense and Chill Network Schedule
00:00:47
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Oh, you're in the lead. I thought you were going to say some welcome back. Maybe. Yes. Welcome back. Halfback. We didn't see you guys last week, 4th July, because 4th of July was was' Friday.
00:01:01
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Poor bunch of stoners here at the Nonsense and Chill on the Nonsense School Network. Please check us out Mondays.
Pre-recording for Paranormal Investigation
00:01:10
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With Wally, tentatively.
00:01:12
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I know his work schedule's crazy. Tuesday Glicks House of Music. Wednesday is our new show, Wild Card Wednesdays, which we got some paranormal shit going on lately. um And then the next day would be Thursday again, tentatively with Wally again, either lizards or cars.
00:01:33
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And again... race cars yep and then Friday, back here Nonsense and Chill. Of course, Saturdays is The nonsensical or nonsense nonsysical nonsense open door challenge. There's a lot of nonsense and nonsensical in our titles. and Oh, my gosh. I'm getting so tongue-tied.
00:01:51
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And, of course, Sunday, or think there's a Cassius Corner this Saturday, too. So you guys check that out. Sunday, ah the sports show is on a hiatus, I guess, for football only.
00:02:02
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So it's a football show. um I don't know. There's some changes with that. i overheard Glick and Barry talking it about it on Tuesday. So there's probably changes coming to that. We're continually evolving on this network of of of ah diverse digital media, I guess i guess is the tagline.
00:02:25
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I don't know. I forgot. um
00:02:29
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But like I said last week, and what's that? We diversify the nonsense. Yes, we do. We definitely diversify the nonsense. Again, last week we're in we were not here. it was 4th July.
00:02:42
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This is a pre-record, so you guys are not watching us live because... Shouldn't have said anything. like um oh No, no. You know what? Last time um I did a pre-record, there were people... Because you can still comment on it as a lie as it's going live. yeah And people were commenting and it did confuse a couple of people. So I like to throw that out there.
00:03:07
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um Because Michael and I currently, right now, while you're watching this, are out doing it a on and paranormal investigation with with Curtis.
00:03:18
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We talked to him last night. Guys, check that out. in yeah Michael, how are you doing, my man? Excited about
Evolution of Diversity in Films
00:03:26
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tomorrow. tomorrow for Tomorrow for us.
00:03:31
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Ghost hunt and chill. Right now for the audience. That's the weird about the pre-record. Just think about it. We're pre-recording this because we're going tomorrow, but the audience is watching this now on Friday while we're out there doing I haven't decided yet. This time tomorrow, I might be tripping on acid.
00:03:52
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I think that might be a fun element to add to the show. Oh, I don't. I don't. Well, wait. We won't be on a show tomorrow night. No, but I'll be behind the camera for you. Give you some Hunter S. Thompson shit.
00:04:07
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hundred s thompson shit Oh, no.
00:04:12
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Man, i am looking forward to that. But we are here tonight for Not Just a Chill movie talk. And it's lights, camera, and discussion. You want to talk about something we were talking about the other day?
00:04:24
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Yeah, yeah. Michael and i started to talk about way movies used to be made when it comes to the diversity the diversity of them.
00:04:37
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Like the the villain. The villain. Everything. Yeah. One time and then as it evolves through the years where the money gets spent versus back where it used to get spent.
00:04:50
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o Yes. I think just in general, where Hollywood used to be where it is are compared to what it is today. um One thing i want to go ahead and bounce off of.
00:05:04
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is um there's there's the obvious the medium in which we watch our media uh medium in which we watch our media um because back in the day it was just you go to the uh your your your theater and you watch what was known as uh what were they called um the cereals cereals yes face talks about in fucking misery yes yes he didn't get out of the cock-a-doodle car
00:05:34
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the era of silent film you ever watch any silent films yes yeah any good ones those far too man crazy good silent film I watched that one the other week myself crazy good but it's weird and it's creepy and it's i don't know it's got a lot of lore behind it too and you can kind of feel that creepy grime on the guy
00:06:00
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this is kind of this Nosferatu is kind of the backbone of this conversation. because I just recently watched the new one.
Hollywood Storytelling and Franchises
00:06:07
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I watched the the original, the silent one. And you're right.
00:06:13
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The silent one, because it was silent and the effects, it added that extra creepiness to it. Because of the new one had sound and they tried to add the same elements of creepiness to it, I think it kind of um neutralized itself out.
00:06:30
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you wouldn you Yeah, It wasn't the same movie, though. it Wasn't it about like the Max Schreck actor and feeding into that lore?
00:06:40
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Or did they actually remake Nosferatu? Yeah, they remade Nosferatu. Yeah, with Skarsgård, the guy who plays It. ah Okay, okay. The I was thinking about with Willem Dafoe.
00:06:53
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No, no, I know what you're talking about. and That was like... On a remake, it more like, it talks about the lore of the film and the actor, Max Crack, who might have been a real Nosferatu. Yeah. That was... while back.
00:07:08
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That was a while back, yes. Yeah, that's what I mean. I just saw Willem Dafoe in something that was a vampire movie. That guy's in a lot of things.
00:07:19
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Yeah. He is, man. So.
00:07:25
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um but back But back to the the main topic. um
00:07:31
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When we reflect on movie budgets, I think is another one, um where that money goes. have my My dog is scratching at the door, so I'm going let Michael carry this conversation for a moment.
00:07:47
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I know one place it goes to is a lot of post-production stuff, the CGI shit. It's such huge budget eater. And depending on the movie and the cast that goes to a lot of the the cast to take a lot of that budget now.
00:08:03
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And that's less budget for other things. And it, uh, you know, who's producing it how much money they have ah you know available, what they can really do with the production with the money, the way it is right now.
00:08:18
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I mean, you got these $350 million dollars Marvel projects, but they're global projects that are projected to do a billion dollars.
00:08:27
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they But they also... Flop. Well, they're kind of... ah see what you mean budget-wise because we were talking about Old Guard 2 and I had made that reference.
00:08:41
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or that, that comment, if they didn't cast Uma Thurman, they probably would have had more money for, store more, right back yeah, better writing, better writing. Um, but when it comes to Disney, there's such a huge franchise that they get to spend the money on the actors and the, and the CGI.
00:08:59
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But again, they don't make it back. e But they all, but they have also used it as a vessel to, uh, uh, cast unknown actors.
00:09:10
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Um, Although it seems like they're really heavy on, on casting all of Hollywood at the moment. Yeah. In Marvel, especially, i mean, with some of the newer characters like Kamala, uh, Khan, uh, miss, miss, uh, Marvel or whatever her name is. Yeah. Ms. Marvel, the kid, uh, no name actress, basically. I think I don't remember from anything, but I don't watch Disney channel and stuff like that. Did she come out of the Disney channel train? i don't know.
00:09:38
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the girl who plays Kate Bishop in the, uh, the series for Hawkeye. It was outstanding. don't know much of anything. and never watched the... i never write Good, and solid.
00:09:52
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and No, and i'm not i'm i'm not saying it I'm not saying it is. I just... When it comes to the whole Marvel franchise, MCU, and all the all the movies and all the TV shows, ah when it was just on Netflix, like they had Daredevil and the Punisher and a few of those that were pretty decent.
00:10:08
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Then once Disney he was like, oh, we can just have our own streaming platform. um And I think at that point I was like, I lost it. i was like, now have to go get another subscription because they're putting out more stuff.
00:10:20
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And was like, I don't have time for this. I'm done. i literally, I gave up on the nc MCU because i realized the total amount of time I needed to invest in it to keep up with it is.
00:10:31
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But really you don't, a lot of the stuff went nowhere. Like the Moon Knight thing was a pretty neat concept. And it was a cool first season, and then nothing happened with it. Didn't get great.
00:10:42
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It wasn't an outstanding character. And that's the thing. I mean, there's so many characters in their pantheon of characters they could put out. And they focus on never good-selling characters like Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, the Carol Danvers version of Captain Marvel.
00:11:01
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A great character, don't get me wrong, but never was a top seller. Never was. You can't force that in. Like ah the Falcon. He was nowhere near the popularity of the Winter Soldier.
00:11:14
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And instead of the Winter Soldier carrying on the shield, as it happened in the books, they skipped over that part and gave it straight to the Falcon. was also never a good selling book. The best selling Falcon books was when it was Captain America and the Falcon.
00:11:28
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They were working together. That was the best selling Falcon book. I'm not saying this character sucks. I'm just saying it was never a good selling book. Why do you think you can mainstream that character now for inclusion sake?
00:11:40
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I mean, you already have black Panther and I'm not saying you don't want good black characters. That's not all what I'm trying to say. It's just that they don't need to cast. Although I'm glad they cast Mackie. Don't get the wrong. Mackie's awesome in everything.
00:11:52
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I know you're a fan of, uh, uh, twisted metal.
00:11:57
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Mackie's great. I love Anthony Mackie. He's an outstanding actor. He's good in everything i've ever seen him in. Anthony Mackie is the one who plays the Falcon. So I like Twisted Metal.
00:12:09
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I do. Anthony Mackie, I'm a give or take with him. like He's not a horrible actor, but I don't think he's a great actor. i just don't think Something about that community timing he's got.
00:12:22
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Even in the book in the in the Marvel books, or not not Marvel books, the Marvel MCU, his character's kind of comic relief in there. He's just got a good delivery. I like his acting. I like his style. He plays a good, fast and loose kind of a character. I think he would have been potentially good fit for... um Wow, he played expertly by... ah Han Solo, or not Han Solo. ah Help me out here.
Creativity vs. Commercial Success in Film
00:12:50
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I'll sell this buddy. Lando Calrissian. Lando Calrissian. Oh, I have no Star Wars. The young one, Glover. Daniel Glover. Oh, Danny Glover. Not Danny. Daniel Glover, the young kid.
00:13:02
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Oh, okay. Oh, he's a a decent The Glover, maybe? I know you're talking about He's a young Glover kid. Yeah, he's on Mr. and Mrs. Smith, a series on Amazon. The Orania Discotega.
00:13:15
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Yeah, yeah. This is America. Yeah, I... um um Anthony Mackie, like I said, I just don't he i don't think he's found his gone on Magnus Opus role.
00:13:29
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don't know, he's really solid. He's one of the main reasons I watched and kept watching the Twisted Metal series. I just liked his interactions were solid. He's just, I don't know, he's gold on screen for me.
00:13:42
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he's like and i get magie i can't I can't give it up. I'm not saying he can't do what other people can do, other than what he does. I just like the way he does it. And I don't mind he gets cast and stuff. Especially stuff that I like. And I was a big fan of Twisted Metal as a kid. I loved that shit.
00:13:57
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I don't want to go down the the the realm of a Twisted Metal 1 because it's it is is it is still Hollywood. But I do want to bring up the fact franchises. Even though the the idea of franchises isn't a new thing, I think the the the rates at which they're being put together in the the how big they're being put together has totally left the fucking ah realm of of rationality for me.
00:14:28
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i mean Besides the MC, you got the Fast and Furious franchise. You still have some franchises that still going on today. even though they jumped to start five franchises ago. Oh my gosh. um i just When it comes to what's available to watch compared to when we were a kid,
00:14:48
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here to now it seems like hollywood is so focused on just cashing in on cash cows that they've lost the ability to to to to take a take a risk more often they do sometimes but i don't feel they take enough no because you're too worried to fail we've I think Hollywood's gotten to the point where it's nothing but just a profit-making machine that any risk that could lead to failure is just absolutely out of the question.
00:15:22
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So I think there's a lot of potential art out there that we're literally missing because of that. Missing on the mainstream, but if you're hunting for you'll find it. Oh yeah, absolutely. And that's one reason we do our short movies because we'd like to highlight those little that can be Indie projects and small outfits.
00:15:41
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That should get more.
00:15:44
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But when I look at that, when I look at indie and stuff like that, that's not really the the whole of Hollywood. But I do like i do like the... That's where the love of film is still alive, I think.
00:15:56
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Indie film. Fan film, stuff like that. They make it because they love it. Whether you like the source material or not. They really put a lot of work into it. And some of those men seem like they've got high ass budgets. They're just excellent, excellent, uh, like practical effects and shit like that.
00:16:13
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It's, it's amazing what someone can do.
00:16:19
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You think, you think there's too heavy focus on CGI? Absolutely. yeah Imagine a, uh, go back and scrub it and put some new stuff into a Rambo, right?
00:16:34
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what they could do with CGI and Rambo. It was already insane with practical effects. Yeah. Go back and add some exploding helicopters and a warthog going down.
00:16:46
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I mean, you could really do some crazy shit, but that's the thing about Rambo. He was already super bad-ass and awesome and, you know, unkillable. You don't need to add crap to it.
00:16:58
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That was another franchise that I think jumped the shark after almost the first one to tell you the truth. Well, it was the first one was the only real artful film. yeah We talked about that. I mean, First Blood was not a Rambo movie.
00:17:12
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First Blood was a political statement. Yeah. A lot of movies, first the first one was, and then they're like, oh, people like this for other reasons, and They take those other reasons and they focus on that. And that's what I think we're how sequels tend to tend to, to, to, to go bad.
00:17:33
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Cause they leave the, we leave the primary element out and only focus on what they think the audience wants to see. Well, in the second one, Rambo first blood. ah enough The first one was First Blood. the second one was Rambo First Blood Part 2.
00:17:46
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The second one touched on PTSD and some other things like that. i mean There was some actual story there, but more or less it was more of Rambo being Rambo and it was a blood fest.
00:17:57
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Yeah. and you know America's patting itself on its back and going back to Vietnam, you know that type of shit. it's like The second movie was like, okay, we can make more money if we exploit this character's talents and use him as a force of vengeance and hire as a mercenary.
00:18:14
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Yeah. Which is the, l the rogue cop, but he was a rogue military guy. Yeah. But which, which the reason for plausible deniability, which focuses on what the territory just like a devout devout completely, you know,
00:18:33
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i in I think in, I think that the sequel of Rambo kind of harnesses what I was trying to say is they have, They focused in on the violent elements that the audience likes.
00:18:44
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Absolutely. More so than the whole aspect of the first movie. i s were and That's where it kind of lost me. They became popcorn movies. Yeah, exactly.
00:18:55
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Special effects, extravaganza, more explosions, more deaths. We've talked about this before, the contracts between Sylvester Stallone and ah not Dolph Lundgren, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the governator.
00:19:09
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Oh, you're talking about the body count movies? Body counts and things like that. i want to kill more guys than Rambo did. And then it got ridiculous. ah so Yeah, okay. It it is ridiculous. It is.
Spoof Films and Hollywood Excess
00:19:21
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um However, the red there is there is a positive silver lining to the ridiculous ridiculousness of movies because they spur movies brought to us by Mel Brooks.
00:19:35
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So I want to point that out there. And like movies like Hot Shots Part 2 because Hot Shots Part 2, I remember, made fun of that idea. The body counts in movies. yeah So there is a silver lining when we have those those ah spoof movies to make fun of Hollywood. So i have to, there's a silver lining there. Are those National Lampoons, I believe, too, aren't they?
00:19:56
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Yeah, National Lampoons, the s scary movies. right Great spirit. and Oh, yeah. I do like movies that make fun of Hollywood while also being a cash cow for Hollywood.
00:20:08
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know it's just oh The Hollywood Shuffle. What a great movie, man. About Robert Townsend. e Oh, yeah. Hollywood Shuffle. Great flick. Totally inside baseball.
00:20:21
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So, prior to MCU, and I even want to say prior to to Blade, because the Blade franchise is, to me, is like half then half out the MCU universe.
00:20:37
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Just because of the time. The first one wasn't, but think by the second or third one they started adding the MCU credits. It doesn't matter. um Even prior to those, every super movie hero that it hit the silver screen pretty much bombed.
00:20:56
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The big ones. I i should actually go so go past I don't know. I think Sam Raimi did pretty well in Spider-Man but even before then like shoot Spider-Man with the first successful column I mean summer blockbuster yeah superhero flakes they were late I don't think blade summer flakes blade I think came out in the fall I remember right they were closer to Halloween but what it is i mean it's a vampire hunter
00:21:34
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But Spider-Man Sam Raimi, yeah, he changed the game and he got to up the ante and he made a good superhero movie. And everybody loves Spider-Man. Friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Everybody loves Spider-Man. It's an easy film to make.
00:21:46
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Superman did it right with Christopher Reeves. Yeah. Those were great movies. Well, maybe third one has come up ever since. and Fourth one, maybe they shouldn't have made. but Yeah, they should have stopped after number three, definitely. Three wasn't even great, really.
00:22:01
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Richard Pryor couldn't save it. Robert Vaughn was a terrible villain. that' so That sucks because I love Richard Pryor. and might have just They might have been trying to scope.
00:22:12
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Christopher Reeve's Superman without Hackman to play off of. um and They were such great on-screen arrivals. yeah and It was the spirit of Superman too. i mean That wasn't the Superman I kind of hated. but It is, but it isn't.
00:22:27
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Christopher Reeve's great Superman. I'll say it until the day I die. out of Out of the Supermans from Christopher Reeve until now, and I haven't watched the new new one that comes out tomorrow, but I'm not hearing good reviews about it so far.
00:22:40
Speaker
Who do you think is the best Superman? Not including Christopher Reeve? Including Christopher Reeve, but without ah read that that would that would be my That would be my guess, too. So apparently no modern Superman has done it right.
00:22:58
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on On the silver screen. Brandon Routh could have been a decent Superman. Who? or Brandon Routh. You forgot he was a Superman, didn't you? Because that movie sucked!
00:23:09
Speaker
You know... a dumb place to start a Superman movie. Superman's been gone for how many years and why? and just The whole thing was so vague. It was a cheap, shitty love story wrapped with a Superman bow on It it was horse shit. It was garbage.
00:23:25
Speaker
You know... I think you've brought this up in the past. I think movies tend to put too much love stories in movies and it ruins movies. Like not every fucking movie. needs Pearl Harbor.
00:23:36
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Perfect example.
00:23:40
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Braveheart. Perfect example. yeah That movie. It's a pretty love triangle. That's weird and creepy. And it was. sure but Oppenheimer was the same way.
00:23:51
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I thought that was a great movie. And minus the minus the the the love interest. I'm like. This movie was about politics, science. It takes you right out of the movie. ah It takes you right out of the movie.
00:24:04
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eat so Why is this here? Fuck this garbage. Get the interesting parts. It's been a movie.
00:24:14
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It's been a movie trip. One of us is lagging. I believe it's me.
00:24:20
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Jump out and back in. Yeah, I'm going jump out. I'm going to pause real quick. All right. um Love interest. Blow them up completely.
00:24:31
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um Yes, love interest. i was like that Pearl Harbor was just a trash festival. And then you mentioned Oppenheimer. And yeah, it just takes you out of the movie completely. It's like, why is this crap in here? It gets to the interesting stuff.
00:24:43
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Just trying to humanize potentially monstrous person for doing what he did. But mean, he did it with a heavy conscience.
Film Villains and Geopolitical Tensions
00:24:52
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Yeah. I just think both of those movies are great examples because it's about war and politics and, you know, geopolitics.
00:25:07
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And there's a lot of writing in there, you know, to, to, to try to allow the audience to understand what the fuck is going on. yeah And I feel like when they throw a love, a love interest or a sex scene in there, or, you know,
00:25:22
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a whole love story adjacent to what's going on has nothing to do with it It's just a distraction.
00:25:29
Speaker
Again, maybe to humanize the character. Maybe. I mean, character's already human, but I see it i do i do see what you He likes titties too. This guy's cool, man.
00:25:46
Speaker
I mean, that's like when people say, well, Hitler liked dogs. I'm like, yeah, it doesn't matter. It fucking doesn't.
00:25:54
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Still a shitty person. by Still a shitty movie. heard Agree. Yes. The way the opponents have evolved, right?
00:26:07
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Yeah. Like Rambo fought who? The Vietnamese first. Then was the Russians. Back when it was cool to fight the Russians. It's still cool to fight the Russians.
00:26:17
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Now it is again, yeah. But at the time, like once 89 hit and the wall came down, They didn't want really that image in it. They wanted that Glasnost thing and the West meeting the East and everything being copacetic more in the picture.
00:26:32
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And that's when our enemies became more of the desert variety.
00:26:38
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yeah And also in the eighties, the dark villain became a thing. It was so passe, they started but bringing out the blonde haired, blue eyed villain.
00:26:50
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Perfect example, well, in my opinion, The Karate Kid. Daniel Russo is the villain in that movie. Dolph Lundgren played the bad guy a lot. Sure did. That's a good... He was a Russian in Rocky.
00:27:06
Speaker
The Aryan dude. The bad... na so The blonde bad guys. what theyur o Even Disney stopped making their villains so dark-skinned and shit because it was...
00:27:20
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becoming a trend the darker skinned characters were always the bad guys hmm
00:27:28
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oh interesting dark skin equals evil yeah I that and that's that's I hate serious message there is in all honesty any human no no matter color or nationality or or ethnicity is capable of being a human that's right Hans Gruber perfect example Yes.
00:27:50
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Great example. Excellent bad guy. So you had you had brought up in the beginning ah bad guys in film from then to now. like i want You want to expand on that?
00:28:03
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Well, it's like I said, in the 80s, it was cool to hit up on the, they were still talking about the MIAs from the 70s into Vietnam still being alive there. you had the Mystic in Action and Braddock. You'd always go back to Vietnam to help those ah forgotten soldiers get out of those camps and shit that were still operating into the 80s and 90s.
00:28:22
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And that was the go-to bad guy. We go to Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam, then, you know, the the Cold War heats up in the 80s again.
00:28:34
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So we start going against the Russians. Rambo. He goes to Russia, I believe. It was Russians. Because I know there was that big Russian helicopter in the river scene. and Shoots this...
00:28:46
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ah the explosive aerobolt blows up the big giant Russian chopper.
00:28:54
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ah
00:28:56
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Even Missing in Action Braddock, the Russians were teamed up with the Vietnamese in one of the movies trying to catch them up, trying to free those MIAs and shit. And then slowly evolved into, like I said, desert enemies.
00:29:12
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so I think Hollywood did that in general. But again, because of, like you said, geopolitical reasons. They want to portray that Glasnost thing, eats meets West. Let's stop making Russia the bad guys. Why?
00:29:24
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Because they're buddies now. But who's not our buddies? Iranians. Iranians are bad. Let's have desert bad guys start doing terrorist plots instead. look at Look at Iron Man from the comic books. It was all the bad guys were always and over in Asia.
00:29:42
Speaker
like you enemy was the mandarin from asia but when they started the the iron man movies where was it it was in the desert because at that time ah afghanistan i afghanistan and iraq the war and all yep exactly that's you yep the world's enemies are painted into your culture and then it becomes your culture that they're your enemies absolutely is. You can watch movies from the 80s and pick up, yep.
00:30:09
Speaker
Like, oh man, what's that in the background? That's right. and the dis have An Asian bad guy. but That was during the cold.
00:30:19
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They can't have the Mandarin be an actual Mandarin because people in China don't want to see the Mandarin get beat up by Iron Man. That's a billion population market that the that the great mouse company does not want to let go.
00:30:33
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But China would be okay if we beat up on the Middle East because that's the way geopolitics works. Absolutely, and they don't care. Man. there was Shame on you, Hollywood. They're not, you know, communist good good god hating communists.
00:30:50
Speaker
Oh, well, look at ah look for the look at the movie The Hunt for the red o hot for Red October. That was... Or no. ah Well, there's that one. But what was the one where the kids...
00:31:03
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ah were fighting the Ruskies when they took over. Oh, Red Dawn. They remade that. Red Dawn. That's the movie I'm talking about. Not Red October. Red Dawn. Same thing. ah Shot during the Cold War it was all about Russians taking over. It was yeah they thirty nine it was before 89. It wasn't just the Russians. was a coalition of like the Central Americans coming up too.
00:31:24
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it was It was feeding off the Red Scare. Absolutely. But again, that was the early 80s before Glasnost. I was coming off off the generation that went through the whole McCarthyism era.
00:31:39
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For sure. Absolutely. All those kids growing up in the 50s, making those movies in the 80s. See,
Modern Film Remakes and Diversity
00:31:46
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and i'd like to and I've pointed this out to somebody before. I had a had a buddy in Oregon that always complained about the movies they make today. and Oh, it's all full of like... Rehash of what you used to have.
00:32:01
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Well, it's not rehashing, it's it's um putting current elements in new in like newer stuff, more reboots, and you know giving it more of a modern shine when it comes to diversity of characters. Like a gender swap or a race character. Yeah, yeah. I tried to explain, well i was like, you gotta understand, the people who are doing these movies now were growing up within the last few decades, so their experiences, and when they write these things,
00:32:28
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is drawing from that. Now, if you take a movie that was remade now, that's what you're going to get. But if you take that movie that is being remade off of that came out in the 80s, well, that person who wrote that, they're writing from when they grew up the decades before then.
00:32:43
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So that element... Social more than 30 years ago than they are today. Exactly right. yeah That's why there's that morphology. Yeah, exactly. I mean, the the main plot line is probably still there.
00:32:57
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But all the adjacent storytelling has definitely definitely fucking progressed over time. And if you look at even Disney movies from the 80s and 90s and look at where those subject materials came from hundreds of years ago and those nursery rhymes and shit, those are different.
00:33:17
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Those are scarier back then than what Disney fucking sugarcoated and made them now. Absolutely. Cinderella's have their eyes pecked out by crows. Yeah. yeah so i mean there's this there Storytelling is constantly evolving and it's and it and it's in the changes is dependent in the time the story is being told or retweeted. We were little tougher back in the day. Be nice crows will your eyeballs.
00:33:46
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Right? But now we look at like Disney movies from the 80s and 90s and we can pick out stuff that hasn't aged well compared to now. How do you feel about the whole Sleeping Beauty kiss?
00:34:01
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Oh, what do you mean? Oh, like, okay. She's prone. She's not aware. You know, that's totally... Is that why a real Me Too thing? I mean, really? Honestly, what what is your honest opinion on that?
00:34:16
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If you, okay, if you take the story of the premise... I have to look at the whole story, but if you look at this fantasy where the prince, hold on, Sleeping Beauty is the one where she pricks her thumb on the thing. Something like that.
00:34:31
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Isn't Snow White the same thing? like A prince charming has to kiss them to wake them up? Something like that, yeah. I think in essence, I think that I understand where the Me Too movement was going with that, but I think the Me Too movement didn't even scratch the surface on the problems I have with that.
00:34:56
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um One, because of the whole magic thing, which is why I give it a pass, because it's a magic story. Exactly right. It can't happen anyway in the real world.
00:35:08
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It can't happen. It's not like there's penetration happening. I mean, for Pete's sake, it's a kiss. It's also, it's not just the kiss. It's the it's the idea of, I think it leads to ah patriarchal sort of foundation that people have a problem
00:35:29
Speaker
It takes, I... Sue's giving you the thumbs up. Giving who the thumbs up? You got it, sister. You got it, sister.
00:35:41
Speaker
I am a feminist. I am a feminist. Just by, not not that i went out to seek to be a feminist, just my brain just led me down to that sort of.
00:35:54
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But I mean, these are the same people that, you know, I want my laser sword wizards to have a little reality in them. Why are those bombs dropping in space? Why aren't they just floating freely because of gravity? but It's like, oh my God, for Christ's sake. That's where you're going to draw the line in your space wizards movie with laser swords.
Art, Society, and Film Interpretation
00:36:12
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that bombs drop in gravity. I mean, come on. Well, that's why I can't just, I can't take this anymore. Laser. I think, I think when, i think when we, when, when a writer writes the elements of, of to go against like real world physics, that's one thing.
00:36:34
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don't, man, but I, at the same time, when a story, when a writer tells a story, you're already suspending so much disbelief. Yeah, I know. I just... How's that? I think i think i think the essence in is is when we tell stories, especially when it when and involves other humans, I think we we look at these characters as other humans, so when they do things that we would consider not good when humans treat each other, i think it's a reflection.
00:37:08
Speaker
When we watch these movies, I think it's sort of a mirror. Absolutely it is. but do you think I love Darth Vader so much? I would be force choking everybody. ah ah Force choking my chicken. What? I'm telling you right now. That's the almost question of the day. Done.
00:37:27
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. i don't I'm not a person. need power like that. Lanes would be opening up left, right, and center, man. I'm single-handedly eliminate traffic problems. i think um and I think I've brought this up before.
00:37:43
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maybe I, maybe I haven't done it online, but I know we've talked about movies aging poorly and we were supposed to do a long form show on days the fuse tonight. I know that was the initial goal that didn't escape me, but timing and another opportunity popped up.
00:38:01
Speaker
I, but I think you, we can look at these movies that hasn't aged well and use them as a lesson to know what is, what has aged well and what hasn't. I think, um,
00:38:12
Speaker
think they're still relevant as forms of art and i don't think people should abandon them just because of a movement said so think that's the wrong message so because i mean i should be able to still sit there and watch snow white and pick out the good elements based on my off my modern morality and still understand that you know even 30 40 years ago people thought
00:38:40
Speaker
Again, you've got to look at when something is made. The politics of the era. So much goes into filmmaking. and Again, just the evolution of the villain.
00:38:55
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Society reflected in art. Art reflects life. Life reflects art. It is what it is.
00:39:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's a two-way mirror. Cultural eye at the time has to be considered. You know, an I think, you know, my biggest pet peeve, and I know this is movie adjacent, i don't want to get too totally into politics, but when people bring up Woke and Me Too and all that, and I'm not saying this stuff doesn't have a fundamental discussion, but it seems like a lot of it now, the bulk of it, is just manufactured culture war.
00:39:29
Speaker
just and so For inclusion's sake, there's a lot of it. just so we just know I think it's just the It's just bullshit to keep us pointing fingers at each other at the wrong way. Not pointing at who. Everything in life is a divider.
00:39:44
Speaker
I won't see everything life. Oh, absolutely everything. That's what they want. They want us divided. They don't want us thinking unitively in a unitive manner.
00:39:58
Speaker
Oh, if you say if they if every if everything is they, then maybe. But i don't want to go down that road. like It's all a veil, man. It's all a veil. none of well None of it matters.
00:40:10
Speaker
Do what you want to do. Stop doing what they want you to do. Do what you want to do. If you stop allowing it, it can't keep going. Oh, we can definitely go down a whole Nietzsche philosophy right now. A revolution has begun.
00:40:23
Speaker
and tod we can bring up Canu and Nietzsche and all that right now, but we're not.
Indie Films and Creative Freedom
00:40:28
Speaker
I would like to... I can't go there intelligently with you, man. You're too too steeped in it. I would like to... I think it's in my heart, but not in ah not in my red section of mind.
00:40:40
Speaker
I think most people understand their own personal philosophy more than they do other philosophies. Not everybody reads like you do. That's all I'm saying. I like i have my i i talk less about my personal philosophy.
00:40:54
Speaker
Well, no, I take that back. A lot of it's like... Yeah, anyway. Your philosophy on the evolution of movies, brother. I know let's talk about that that's what we're here for um i I think in a lot of ways movies have gotten better and I think a lot of ways have gotten worse let's say no story's not told already right but there are some you're right and that's told reinventedly in a very cool ways And I think if Hollywood, and think thankfully we have independent independent filmmakers, but I think if Hollywood took a little bit more risk, we would still see we would see some of those stories that we we aren't missing out on.
00:41:36
Speaker
I don't know. There's sometimes, i'll I'll be scrolling through Amazon or Tubi or Netflix, and there's some really weird shit out there that I didn't realize were ever made. like There's a movie out there, and it the name escapes me. I think it's Butt Boy.
00:41:53
Speaker
Can't remember. Sounds like my type of movie. It basically, it ends up, this dude likes shoving stuff up his butt. But it's a secret. it's ah It's a fetish thing for him. But it gets to the point where he shoves um unrealistic things up his butt. By the end of the movie, he ends up shoving himself up his butt.
00:42:16
Speaker
Anyway. um What goes in your butt? And we made that at the Eargasm Network a couple years ago. But it's um it's a psychological horror at the same, or thriller, more of a thriller suspense.
00:42:31
Speaker
Psychological or analogical? Definitely analogical. That does not sound like a deeper meaning movie. There is actually. um it's It reflects on his relationship with his wife and a bunch of other shit. It's it's a it's it's ah it has it it's It's a fucking weird movie, but it does have a fucking poignant message, contemporarily speaking.
00:42:58
Speaker
Things are the of the great outdoors. Nobody is blowing anything out their ass.
00:43:05
Speaker
That movie had a point. I don't know what it was. Oh, yeah, don't lie to your relatives. I think that was the point. Or you'll end up eating your own self with your asshole.
00:43:17
Speaker
Dumbest story ever. Boy meets girl, boy lies a girl, boy shoves self up ass. Story told is the time itself. Oh, God, I got to find that movie. There's some crazy movies out there. There's there's one out there but lossa pastor out there. Velocipaster.
00:43:37
Speaker
Velocipaster. Please, please explain. Dude gets some kind of voodoo charmed or whatever and becomes a... He's a pastor that becomes a Velociraptor.
00:43:50
Speaker
He's the Velocipastor. It's fucking amazing. Awesomely bad movie. Terrible premise. Velocipastor. Watch it. Love it. You're welcome.
00:44:01
Speaker
Would it be better if it had a bigger budget? No. It's a terrible idea.
00:44:08
Speaker
um no Nothing saves Velocipastor, my friend. But it it's it's it's a terribly executed idea. ah a terriblely of a terrible idea. It's fucking amazing.
00:44:19
Speaker
It's awesomely bad. Well, that's what I thought about shark Sharknado, but it it's spun sequels. but Yeah, because people are dumb.
00:44:30
Speaker
and Enough said. i'm gonna Now I'm starting to guess my ah starting to second guess my whole analysis of Butt Boy. that's Even if that was the name of the movie. I think it's what it was called.
00:44:41
Speaker
Then, of course, there's the movie I forgot the name of the movie. now how Now, how Dick died or some shit like that. Oh, man. Anyway, it's an interesting movie. It's about these three three old these three friends, childhood friends who've grown up.
00:45:00
Speaker
um And then one night they were partying, drinking, smoking, doing cocaine, and blah, blah, blah. And then they went to the barn and in the night doing whatever and then all of a sudden it cuts to them rushing one of their friends and dumping them out in front of the yeah ER r and he dies and blah, blah, blah. They're trying to figure out, you know, they don't know how he died or no, they know how he died but they don't want to talk about it.
00:45:26
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The whole town is trying to figure out how this guy died it comes out at the end how he died. I'm not going to explain it. um I'll have to find the title. I brought it up before last co-host kept telling me he was going to watch it and never did.
00:45:40
Speaker
But it's a so it's an interesting movie. It's probably a movie that shouldn't be made. You feel like by the end of the movie, you want to go take a shower. Just put it like that.
00:45:51
Speaker
You want to what? Take a shower. Oh, God. Grinding underbelly of people. when you When you realize what happened, and you as the audience will probably, you're pretty smart.
00:46:03
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You'll probably figure it out probably about halfway through, but you're you're waiting for everybody else in the movie to find out, and they find out the ending. You're like, so like I need a shower.
00:46:15
Speaker
Because it's true. The Black Rainbow. death ah The Death of Dick Long. I think that's the name of it. Okay. I'll try to find it. See, now I have to look that up. The Black Rainbow, man. Check that one out.
00:46:31
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I've seen it three or four times and I still don't know how I feel about that movie. It's a weird, weird, weird movie. I can't even explain it. It's a weird movie. The actors are committed to the weird.
00:46:47
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It feels like a 70s flick, but it's from like, I don't know, 2017 or 18, I think. This one's from 2019, the one I just brought up, yeah.
00:46:58
Speaker
Interesting, original, totally weird, and again, I still don't know how feel about it. I've watched it multiple times. What's it called? Hmm? What's it called? The Black Rainbow.
00:47:10
Speaker
A Black Rainbow. i'm go I want to watch that. ah cause The Black Rainbow, I do believe. Or maybe just Black Rainbow.
00:47:20
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Beyond the Black Rainbow? There it is.
00:47:26
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The Black Rainbow is at season 4, episode 13 of Z Nation. If you haven't watched Z Nation, what are you doing with your life? If you like zombies and you like weed, you'll love Z Nation.
00:47:37
Speaker
I was wrong on the year. It's 2010. It is 2010, yes. But check it out, man. It's absolutely crazy. A heavily sedated woman with ESP tries to escape from the secluded commune where she's been held captive.
00:47:55
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I'm sold. It should be, dude.
00:47:58
Speaker
All right. He's got 61% on Rotten Tomatoes. ah The Death of Dick Long at 77%, so that one's a higher rating. Hmm. I'm going to look that one up to where i can find it. Death to Dick Long. I believe that was on Amazon.
Ghost Hunting and Future Plans
00:48:14
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Maybe we can watch it tonight.
00:48:17
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Comedy crime drama.
00:48:21
Speaker
Is it really listed as a comedy? Well, there's some funny elements in it.
00:48:28
Speaker
And then there's some very... You're going to... I got to pay for it, son of a bitch. Check to be...
00:48:38
Speaker
not on Tubi. Well, that's a bitch. All good stuff you got, i don't have free shit for. it but
00:48:50
Speaker
um You're right. It is all on. It's all paid. Damn it. That sucks, too. That's a good movie.
00:49:00
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So while our watchers are watching right now, we are setting one of those Ghostbuster traps. to catch a Slimer in the graveyard right now. Is that what that beeping was?
00:49:11
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I think it was. yeah
00:49:15
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Well, um
00:49:20
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i'm a I'm about tuckered out. Yeah, you got to work out some things. I do. In your Spotify world. I want to strangle Alexa devices.
00:49:31
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and Spotify right now, guys. We want to strangle a car in our life.
00:49:39
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First world problems, you know what I mean? Right.
00:49:45
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00:50:15
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00:50:18
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00:50:28
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What should we do next time?
00:50:34
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if memory If memory serves me right, next, then that the 18th. The 18th is going to be what's coming soon, so we're going to go over the movies that's coming out in August.
00:50:46
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and Maybe we'll have a little footage from ah what we're doing tonight. Oh. um
00:50:54
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Maybe. that so we might We're going to do that Wednesday. Wild Card Wednesday. Tune in. Yeah. Yes, tune in next Wednesday for Paranalysis Part 2.
00:51:07
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Part 2. And then, of course, the 25th is the last Friday of the month, which will be Trivia Month, and it's Steven Spielberg. So get your... get your Yes.
00:51:23
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Should be an easy one. Should be an easy one. Should. And throw us in your comments. What do you think about the evolution of movies? What would you like talking points on for future... lights, camera discussions.
00:51:34
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00:51:40
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Michael, you got anything else, buddy? Nope. Well, on that end, good night and bring your own fucking popcorn.
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