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The Kanan Jarrus Debate - Revisiting Star Wars Rebels
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This week, we revisit the beloved animated series Star Wars Rebels just in time for Ahsoka! We go through the series and the journey of characters like Hera, Sabine, Kanan, Ezra, Kallus and so many more, as well as reminiscing on what we love about the show! This is the Wayseekers is a Star Wars podcast, with new episodes every other Friday @ 8:00am CT. Join your hosts Austin SWE, Jedi Chelsea and Scotty Holiday SW as they navigate their ways through the Star Wars galaxy.
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Critique of Star Wars Animation
00:00:00
Speaker
These thin lightsabers and this horrible animation. I was going to say something very violent, but I'm going to keep that to myself. I'll just want to fight, but that's fine. Agent Kellis, the person that has the best redemption story in all of Star Wars. I would literally be glued to the TV for hours. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. The music hits.
Kanan and Hera's Relationship: Theories and Speculations
00:00:36
Speaker
So we're talking about Star Wars Rebels today and I got a lot of comments from Instagram, but I think the most important one, the most, the thing we should start with, number one question on everyone's mind when they watch Star Wars Rebels. They say, okay, but when, when did Kanan and Hera have time to do the deed?
00:00:56
Speaker
When where did this child come from at the rebels epilogue all of a sudden there's a kid green haired kid human looking that has little green tips on his ears. I have a theory but like what do you guys think?
00:01:12
Speaker
So I've seen a couple, I think the one, didn't one of our friends originate the meme of like they did it on the hang glider, like that's when it happened. People have that theory. Yeah. That's funny because they were real lovey in that episode. Like that, I feel like that's one of the one episodes of Rebels two where they were like real couple-y. It was funny because when I was preparing to do this episode,
00:01:38
Speaker
I started thinking about Jason and I was like, what I literally thought, when the hell did they have time to have this baby? Because everybody always wonders. And when you were asking where he came from at first, I was gonna say he came from space, but then I was like, no, they're already in space. So he couldn't have came from space. So he came from wild space, maybe because that kid looks weird. The whole show, they had that will they want their relationship?
00:02:06
Speaker
which apparently they were in the relationship the whole time. That was something I found out after I watched the entire show. I was like, oh. Oh, I read it. Day one, he called her. She called him my love. So I was like, oh, maybe they're just not like she's like, it's OK, dear, like. Right. But maybe I'm just like a romance ho. So I'm just like, I thought it was like an unspoken thing, though.
00:02:30
Speaker
because they weren't allowed to kiss until season four, and I get it was like a Disney XD show, but they weren't allowed to kiss, and so I was like, hmm, maybe,
Kanan's Role and Relationship with Ezra
00:02:39
Speaker
hmm.
00:02:39
Speaker
Well, it could have also been that Harrow was doing a ton behind the scenes. Like she was the one communicating with Fulcrum all of season one and only she knew what was going on. She was the only one who had communication with the rest of the Alliance altogether. So I feel like it's kind of one of those situations where I'm sure it was also like just a Disney XD thing, but she was also busy like.
00:03:02
Speaker
being the kind of person between the Alliance and the Phoenix Squadron. Not Phoenix Squadron. Is that the wrong film? Phoenix Squadron? Is that them? Yeah, Phoenix Squadron. That's them. But that's why, yeah, she was busy.
00:03:17
Speaker
doing rebellion stuff so that's why they got busy on the glider this is the only time mathematically scientifically that that could have happened is on the glider this is the only time they were alone it's the first episode they kiss i don't know and then he dies so well he did the deed and then he bit the dust
00:03:37
Speaker
Yeah, so that's definitely not the first time they did it. That's just when they got pregnant. They definitely, in my opinion, they were definitely in the bunks when the rest of the crew was asleep.
00:03:50
Speaker
Well, we don't know the life cycle of we don't know the life cycle of a Twi'lek. So who knows how long she was pregnant. She could have been pregnant for a long time. Like we don't know how long it took to grow Jason. There's nothing that makes sense about that pregnancy, like because also he's a human and he just has green hair. And that's his Twi'lek properties. Wow.
00:04:20
Speaker
No, I just want to circle back to Austin being like, I don't think Canaan has game. Did you read a new dawn? Probably not. No. Or you did. You didn't. No. No, I didn't. But I don't know. He looked really good after he cut his hair and that was the episode. They probably did it. So if I was here, I would have been like. Yeah, but looking good and having game, like I feel like Canaan has no Riz.
00:04:49
Speaker
No, actually I take that back.
00:04:51
Speaker
I take that back because I remember the episode. What's that episode where he has the goggles and a whole new fit and it's like yellow. I forget what they all had these different disguises, but he learned that they're like undercover or something. Yeah. Yeah. And he looks completely ridiculous. I forget what episode it is. And you thought he was hot in that episode. The goggles of the yellow outfit really did it for you. It was risen. The Riz was like just coming off of him. Yep.
00:05:21
Speaker
Yeah, I don't even know what that word means. This is why we shouldn't be using words that we don't know what it means because
00:05:29
Speaker
um but hello everyone welcome to this is the way seekers our star wars podcast this week we're talking all about star wars rebels you know it's it's convenient it's it's what's the word i'm looking for appropriate relevant it's relevant now i almost said irrelevant it's relevant now to be talking about star wars rebels for many different reasons um well not really many different reasons one big reason but
00:05:59
Speaker
We're only allowed to talk about non-struct projects on this podcast until they pay their fucking writers at Disney and the entire AMPTP. So we're only talking about animated content and also books and comics like we've been doing on the podcast. But this week is Star Wars Rebels.
00:06:17
Speaker
If you didn't know already, I'm here with my two wonderful co hosts, Scotty and Chelsea. Chelsea, I want to ask you, what is your Star Wars Rebels journey? Like, when did you did you start watching Rebels when it first came out? Was it like at a different date? Did you binge it? What was that like?
00:06:34
Speaker
Yeah, so this honestly surprises most people that I had no idea Rebels was coming out when it was coming out. And I think because I was just getting into Star Wars again in that era, I was only focused on the movies. Like I genuinely had no idea that animated stuff even existed. So like, big fan. But I started watching the Clone Wars then like once I started hearing about it. So I went through all that first and then
00:06:57
Speaker
just one night during the pandemic, like during lockdown. So this is like 2020. So earlier on, I was like, all right, let me just let's time to start this. And I instantly I was like, oh my god, like I would literally be glued to the TV for hours up until like 3am watching the show. So I like binged it. And then I was like, a wreck after finishing it. And then like two days later, I started it again.
00:07:21
Speaker
And then it's burned me that's what start made me make my like pinstagram that is now just my whatever and why I'm here essentially so that's that's kind of my journey with it I was late to the game but instantly fell in love so
00:07:36
Speaker
yeah star wars rebels is such a such a good show whether you watched it when it came out or benched it during quarantine oh my god i feel like it's just one of the best star wars projects scottie what was your experience like with star wars rebels how did you when did you watch it
00:07:54
Speaker
My experience is completely different than Chelsea's. I think the best part of it was, though, what your experience, or Chelsea, what Chelsea's experience was with Rebels was kind of my experience with the Clone Wars. I got into it super late. I benched it. And then right around the time I finished the Clone Wars is when Rebels, like, it was announced. And so I knew something new animated was coming. And I was skeptical.
00:08:21
Speaker
because it's a different animation style, different time frame, but I was like, it's Star Wars, so I'm definitely going to watch it. And I think when it first started airing was around the time I moved out of my parents' house.
00:08:36
Speaker
I actually watched it live as it was airing on Disney XD and I had to use my grandparents' cable login to even be able to watch it because of course I wasn't having no cable the first time I moved out of my house. So yeah, I watched it completely live while it was airing.
00:08:55
Speaker
and of course at first everybody hears the complaints and everyone's familiar with the whole comparing the two Clone Wars and Rebels and I was skeptical at first but around the time of season two especially because that's when they brought in Ahsoka like I was a lot more into the story by that point and then of course even after season two like that's when the show really gets really good in my opinion
00:09:21
Speaker
uh so yeah i watched it while it aired and i feel like not a ton of people did but it's kind of like a fun memory that i have of being that one star wars show that i was able to watch while it was airing yeah because that was that was the only star wars show at the time um i am like in the middle i'm the bendu between your your two sides here because like chelsea i
00:09:49
Speaker
knew about the movies. I knew about the Clone Wars though and I was like I somewhat watched the Clone Wars when I was younger but I really got into Star Wars after The Force Awakens and by that time Star Wars Rebels had already been airing. I was like watching Disney Channel, Disney XD at the time I think and then so I knew that it existed. This show of some blue haired kid and it was Star Wars. I was like this is nothing like what I've seen from Star Wars before but okay.
00:10:19
Speaker
But then after the Force Awakens came out and then I started getting into the community, they were like, watch this Star Wars Rebels thing. That's what's coming out. That's what everyone was talking about. And at the time, everyone hated it. But I was that perfect age for Star Wars Rebels. I was around Ezra Bridger's age.
00:10:38
Speaker
and so i got really into it the first time i watched it and i was i just loved everything about it because star wars rebels it it brings in so many new elements to star wars but it also lives and breathes the star wars we knew before and i feel like star wars rebels is just
00:11:00
Speaker
It's a great sign of Dave Filoni's journey as a storyteller when he comes in and starts working on The Clone Wars and he's working with George Lucas and then George Lucas sells Star Wars and he's no longer working on anything Star Wars. Dave Filoni now has to make his own show
00:11:20
Speaker
his own characters, you know, there's not Anakin, Obi-Wan, you know, Mace Windu, all those characters to rely on here. And so, I don't know, I just feel like it brings something fresh and new to Star Wars. And I don't know many people that genuinely gave it a shot that are like, there's nothing to love from Star Wars Rebels, which I feel like
00:11:40
Speaker
back in the day, there were people that were not willing to give it a shot. They were like, absolutely not. Fuck Star Wars Rebels. There's nothing good about this show whatsoever. These thin lightsabers and this horrible animation. That's one of my hot takes I prepared for this is that I don't think the animation in Rebels was even that bad.
00:12:03
Speaker
And if anything, I think it's appropriate for the story they were telling. If you consider the budget they have initially, especially, they were working with nothing. And honestly, the thin lightsabers exist for a reason. It's to pay homage to Ralph McQuarrie's original concept art. And so when you're used to the Clone Wars style's animation, the transition could be a little bit jarring, but also we're changing our core audience.
00:12:31
Speaker
Yes, Clone Wars was technically made for kids, but at times they played it on Adult Swim, not Cartoon Network. So I think that shows that like, okay, they were at a different level. And to me, the animation matched the level of what's supposed to be a newer audience. So, I don't know.
00:12:48
Speaker
I think I'm a perfect example of that transition phase. Like I said, because I got into Clone Wars in 2014 when it was put on Netflix. And so talking about watching Disney XD and you growing up at the same age as Ezra Austin, I was 24 watching Disney XD for this show. And I was also part of the camp that was like,
00:13:11
Speaker
This animation is ugly. These lightsabers are really thin. But one thing that's always stuck with me is I do love, like you mentioned Chelsea, the homage to Ralph McQuarrie's original concept art because I've always loved the style of all of that concept art. So
00:13:27
Speaker
I think it was just the whereas Clone Wars was very angular especially back then it was so like boxy and then Rebels is more like rounded and stuff it was it was interesting to get into but it's the story that got me into it and got me over all those like stupid little gripes of complaining where it wasn't like Clone Wars or it wasn't like this or it was too childish or whatever and another thing to remember at the time also I told myself
00:13:55
Speaker
Scotty remember the Clone Wars was real rough at the beginning too so give this show time to breathe and get its footing and mentioning it had no budget and it was Dave Filoni's first kind of venture on his own not only like without George Lucas but also with a brand new company moving from the merger under Disney. So there was a there was a lot of new territory and
00:14:20
Speaker
it was an interesting time trying to navigate all of that i wasn't in the online fandom either so i didn't talk to anybody about it other than the people like that i knew personally and they weren't watching the show so yeah i just think that at first it wasn't given a fair shot and i feel like
00:14:38
Speaker
You know, rebels, it did have a lot of pressure because first of all, it was the first project that Disney made under Star Wars. And a lot of people's opinions when Disney first bought Star Wars was, oh, great. Now it's just going to be childish content all around. There's not going to be.
00:14:56
Speaker
Any type of mature Star Wars, which I feel like a lot of the video games and the Legends content, which was really carrying Star Wars and also a lot of the Clone Wars as well, really did start to get into like the darker side of Star Wars. And so I can, I can get people's fear like, Oh, it's just going to be childish, childish stuff all around. And then Star Wars Rebels comes out and it is very much a childish show. It's on Disney XD. It's for, you know, like 10 year olds, 10 to 14 year olds, I'd say.
00:15:23
Speaker
I don't know. Is there like an actual age range? I always thought that Disney XD was like for older kids than like Disney Channel. But when they had when they had all the separate channels because there was like Disney Junior, regular Disney and like Disney XD, it was kind of like.
00:15:39
Speaker
uh what was it like was it Nick Jr that was supposed to be for teens or was it like Nickelodeon when all the channels were doing that like branding shit where they had different names for different things and I always took it that like Disney XD was like the pre-teen kind of like yeah
00:15:56
Speaker
I was going to say, especially based off like the stuff that's on there now, like Amphibia, Owl House, I'd say it's definitely like tween. I feel like some of the shows definitely are more for a little bit younger. Some are just tween and then some can definitely encapsulate some later teenager years too. But like I feel like 10 to 14 is probably a good like assessment of maybe who their goal for the audience was. And it aired at like 8 p.m. So, you know, that's always going to be a little bit older too versus like the during the day shows.
00:16:25
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah, I wasn't like the most, most childish show, but it was definitely not Clone Wars. I get it. People were upset because Clone Wars ended abruptly, like on a huge ass cliffhanger. Everyone was pissed, rightfully so.
00:16:41
Speaker
And now you're gonna give us this Star Wars Rebels show like what the fuck but I feel like I was in a good position because I wasn't like too attached to the Clone Wars and seen that many episodes and even watched the full series so I was like I love Star Wars Rebels, I love Ezra Bridger but yeah a lot of people didn't give it a fair shot at first because of that but
00:17:02
Speaker
A lot of people have come around and been like, Hey, even people that'll say that they're still like filler episodes and whatnot. I really don't think that there's many people out there that'll say that rebels is a hundred percent garbage unless they're being unfair about it. Cause there are those people out there. You already know. Um, this guy, I want to ask you what is, what is in your opinion, the best season of Star Wars rebels?
00:17:31
Speaker
That's a tough question, because to me, obviously...
00:17:39
Speaker
I think the times where Star Wars Rebels is best is when it's moving the plot along for our main characters, which kind of when everybody's moving along. I feel like season three does a really good job of getting all of our main characters to learning what their place is within the galaxy. Whereas they were, I mean, they're still all working as a team, but I feel like they've all get to grow a little bit because obviously we have Kanan who comes to terms with being blinded.
00:18:07
Speaker
at the end of season two and he you know he kind of gets elevated we have at the end of the season where Sabine goes off back to her family to confront not only her family but like the imperial occupation and whatnot that's gone on on Mandler so
00:18:23
Speaker
she gets elevated from there. That's when Ezra also has a lot of growth from the early season into season three. He's got his whole green lightsaber, he cuts his hair, like, that's when he grows up a little bit too. I mean, Hera is still being like a baddie, because she's always like the, I don't wanna say the best one in the crew, but like, she's always had that elevated kind of she's like the leader of the group. And
00:18:47
Speaker
Well, Zeb's just Zeb. But, you know, he's the muscle. He's the muscle. So, like, he has some growth, too. I can't recall, when does he learn about his people not being completely wiped out? Is that season two or three? I feel like it's season two.
00:19:05
Speaker
Okay, so then yeah, he had growth to learning that all of his people were not wiped out and they were still out there in the galaxy. So everybody had growth. Season four is amazing, but it's the finale, like the final seasons, of course, it's going to be amazing. So I think I'm going to go with season three for that round about answer finally.
00:19:26
Speaker
amazing well i love everything you said but you are wrong unfortunately scientifically mathematically all of the above because the best star wars rebel season and i think chelsea will agree is season motherfucking one
00:19:45
Speaker
I just wanted to ask because earlier Scotty I heard you saying and I don't know I just felt I felt Chelsea and I were on the same wavelength there when you were talking about oh I needed to find its footing excuse me find its footing
00:20:00
Speaker
Bitch, I think it found its footing right when it walked through the door. No, it didn't have any feet. There was no feet to begin with. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Chelsea, why is season one the best season of Star Wars Rebels?
00:20:16
Speaker
Oh my god, it's just like, so Rebels is a comfort show for me, right? And season one is just the epitome of comfort. Like objectively, all the stuff in the later seasons, is that maybe better television? Sure, but it's not the best, you know? Like for me, it's the emotional and I just, you get your, for me at least, I instantly fell in love with these characters.
00:20:37
Speaker
And they're already such a lived in crew and I wanted to know so much more about them. And, you know, I kind of like the naivety of season one. And season one is so fucking camp. Are you kidding? A whole episode about fucking stealing fruit. But that ends up being important because they need that TIE fighter.
00:20:54
Speaker
They need it later, you know, and I just kind of I really appreciated how they kind of balanced a lot of the silliness with serious shit. Like the Grand Inquisitor is a hell of a fucking villain. His last words, there are some things far worse than death or whatever. That's hard as fuck. And like that's in the first season, you know, like I feel like the like Thrawn is a very good villain.
00:21:16
Speaker
I feel like he's the only other villain in Rebels, to me at least, that's on the same level as the Grand Inquisitor. Obviously Vader is scary, but we see him fucking everywhere, so I'm like, all right, okay. Vader's story is not going to change by being in here, but obviously, Frans and the Grand Inquisitors do. Also, it's no surprise to anyone as a Kanan Gurley
00:21:39
Speaker
but season one I love so so much because I just love the journey that Kanan and Ezra go on as master and apprentice their relationship like their ability to learn from one another and for Kanan to be like sorry I was fucking wrong you know I mean obviously he doesn't say it like that but like that's just
00:21:58
Speaker
Canaan to me is like the epitome of what the Jedi should be and like seeing his growth, like seeing where he started, where he ends. And that's another thing I love about season one, everything that people were calling filler, which again, I didn't know a lot of this I hear secondhand from people like Austin, who kind of were watching it initially, where people were like, what the fuck are these dumb whales for? Those dumb whales are really fucking important. Actually, fuck you.
00:22:26
Speaker
So it's like even the stuff that people considered silly or like frivolous, like came back and was so important. The art, like the hints to world between worlds from the beginning, like the hint to the importance of like the connection to animals through the forest. Like Dave Filoni, listen.
00:22:43
Speaker
He's kind of on my shit list right now, but we can't talk about that. But he fucking cooked with Rebel season one. He really said mastermind. He said, I am putting the dots here and y'all won't connect them until later. But when you do, oof. So I don't know. I just really love season one. Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I don't care what Scotty has to say. And I want to I want to mention you talked about Ken and Ezra as
00:23:12
Speaker
master and apprentice. Like I mentioned earlier, Star Wars Rebels has so many elements that we've seen before like, okay, a master and apprentice, Jedi, that's nothing new. We have seen that before in Star Wars. But at the time, I mean, like now it doesn't seem like, now it seems like it's not a new idea to have all these Order 66 survivors. But at the time, Kanan was like,
00:23:38
Speaker
That was like a newer concept to have a Jedi working with the rebellion that wasn't Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi. And so it was it was like this nice little twist that we got to see this Order 66 survivor who very much pushed away the Jedi Order and wants nothing to do with it now. He's he's on his own path. But now he's presented with a young person, Ezra Bridger, young young guy who is gifted with the force. He needs training. And
00:24:08
Speaker
As far as, as far as this group of people knows at the time, they are the last hope. Like the weight of the galaxy is on these two Jedi's shoulders and they, you know, as far as they know, they are the ones that everything's going to fall upon. So Kanan needs to step up and train Ezra. And like Chelsea said, they learn from each other, which is super interesting. They grow together. And it gets to a point where I love that.
00:24:34
Speaker
I think it's in season four when Ezra, Ezra and Canaan are having a conversation and Canaan's basically saying like, he doesn't think that there's much to continue his training or he doesn't really think he did a good job. I can't remember what exactly he says, but Ezra says something along the lines of, no, like you did a great job, not only teaching me as a Jedi, but to be a good person. And even though I don't remember the exact lines.
00:25:02
Speaker
That, that hits. Do you remember the exact lines, Chelsea? Or like, I feel like Canaan says something like, I don't know if I have anything left to teach you, like something like that. And then like Ezra, you know, says, I can't remember the exact words, but we have the gist of it, you know? Yeah. And it's like, I never finished my training. So
00:25:26
Speaker
I don't know like Chelsea said I feel like objectively the latest seasons of Star Wars Rebels are better and there's lots of great moments but season one I just remember watching that season and seeing Ezra and this crew come together I loved all the characters loved Zab Sabine immediately I am a sucker for like
00:25:51
Speaker
two people that don't get along and then they have to become friends. So Fight or Flight is one of my favorite Sorrows Rebels episodes where Ezra and Zeb get along, which Zeb, to be fair, why as a grown ass man are you picking on a 14 year old? Grow the fuck up. Grow the fuck up. And I guess he did. I guess he did grow up. But anyways, God, do you want to defend yourself here? Why? Well, well, um, this is a perfect conversation to lead into my first hot take.
00:26:21
Speaker
Oh, uh-oh. I'm scared. It's gonna be great. Um, I put that I don't think Kanan is a good master to Ezra until season three. Whoa. Actually, I was gonna say something very violent, but I'm gonna keep that to myself.
00:26:47
Speaker
I feel like and don't get me wrong, I think he does become a good master to Ezra. But I feel like in the beginning, he's not the best person to be teaching Ezra. And a part of his growth, obviously, is he eventually gets knighted. He eventually even Ezra says, like, we just talked about like,
00:27:06
Speaker
You taught me how to be a Jedi, but you also taught me how to be a good person. He gets there. But I don't think he does a great job in season one. Well, season one, most of it's like, I can't do this. We need somebody else who's like a better Jedi than me. But then even in season two, I'm like, I feel like Ezra learns more from.
00:27:24
Speaker
it's like a pseudo almost like Anakin or Obi-Wan Anakin Ahsoka but it's like Ahsoka, Kanan, Ezra where I feel like Ahsoka's telling Kanan lots of stuff and giving him lots of advice and that's the only reason why he's like being a good teacher to Ezra. I don't think it's until Kanan finally almost kind of like Yoda says to Luke in um the original trilogy when Kanan lets go of all this fear
00:27:50
Speaker
when he talks to the Bendu, when he finally accepts being blind and learns to see through the forest. That's when I feel like he becomes a good master to Ezra. But that's just my opinion. I'm not saying it's the right opinion, but that's just how I feel.
00:28:06
Speaker
Because it's the wrong one. Y'all just want to fight, but that's fine. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. I hear you, but I also think like me trying to validate.
00:28:22
Speaker
trying to use the therapy talk if it's like I hear what you're saying but this is how I feel we have to use our eyes no pointing fingers um no but I think like yeah he's not perfect and he obviously works through his own ship but like Ezra doesn't
00:28:38
Speaker
really want anyone else to be his master. Like, there's a reason that when other people are like trying to teach him like he learns but it's not until Canaan can like express it to him and frame it for him that it sticks. It's like their emotional connection is what makes
00:28:55
Speaker
the learning experience that's a mutual learning experience so beneficial for both of them so like cuz again that's that's actually. In one of my favorite episodes is the rise of all masters so right in season one.
00:29:11
Speaker
Um, where, you know, obviously like Ezra's upset cause he feels like, you know, Canaan doesn't want him and Canaan's not necessarily like, I don't want you. He just doesn't trust in himself. Right. And then we get at the end towards the end of the episode where he's like, Ezra, this was never about you. It's like, I, it's cause I don't trust myself, but I'm not going to try and train you. I just am going to train you. And again, he's not perfect, but Ezra mate, like literally says to Kane and he's like, I don't want anyone else to be my master. I want you.
00:29:37
Speaker
You know, and so like, to me, that's reads as like, a good, like a good relation, like a master apprenticeship. I feel like calling it, it is a relationship, but I don't know, like what you would want to, like the proper term, but I don't know. I just, yeah. But I just feel like, yes, does Canaan like become better through the later seasons? Sure. But I don't think that means he was bad, a bad master in the first two seasons.
00:30:06
Speaker
I think, based off what you're saying, is that Kanan was actively working on himself and becoming the best version of himself while also teaching Ezra to do the same. So, I mean, is that not what you're saying?
00:30:26
Speaker
Kind of, but I don't think, if anything, I think Kanan's one of the best Jedi masters because he doesn't subscribe to all that old bullshit. Because I'm not masters and masters like the rank of Jedi, I just mean masters and to teach someone. Because personally, I don't want someone who's gonna follow these dumb ass old rules that caused everyone to die in the first place. And that's what I appreciate about Kanan is that he's like, I'm not perfect.
00:30:56
Speaker
I honestly don't have idea what I'm fucking doing, but we're learning together. And if I'd rather have someone teaching me who can be honest and be like, okay, yeah, this is the state of the world. It kind of sucks. We're doing the best we can and I'm going to guide you the best way I can. That like humility is something that I would really value in that kind of relationship that I feel like we don't see a lot of Jedi have. Most of the times they're snarky and smug and it makes for good like witty banter, but like,
00:31:24
Speaker
you know could you imagine Obi-Wan training Ezra? Ezra would be miserable like he would be he would be suffering you know I don't know because Ezra's a bit of a wild card I personally felt like Ezra needed a little structure but I also see what you're saying is that the humility of it definitely helps and what I will say is Ezra's ass turned out fine
00:31:52
Speaker
No, I'm just kidding, but like he sacrificed himself and learned a lot from Kanan, I feel like, and I feel like his training was successful. And Kanan, it was kind of like a twist on the reluctant hero from the hero's journey, which, you know,
00:32:08
Speaker
Star Wars references a lot, a lot of Joseph Campbell's work. Kanan is like the reluctant hero. I think given the circumstances that they were under, where as far as I knew, they were the only Jedi around and they were the only hope to bring the Jedi Order back, to bring the peacekeepers back to the galaxy. Under those circumstances, I feel like the only way for Kanan to be a bad master is to like not try and train him.
00:32:38
Speaker
and so I don't know I just feel like Kanan was a great master all the way through and he was always willing to well he wasn't always willing but I don't know
00:32:50
Speaker
What Chelsea said, basically, is what I think. Right. Even if they were both stubborn, but they would both reach a point where Kanan's like, I'm sorry. But also, too, going back to Ezra needed more structure. We would see there were quite a few times where they were trying to implement that structure. But Ezra was just like, nah, because he had something else going on emotionally. But Kanan was the one who was then able to help him process that.
00:33:15
Speaker
and recognize those connections and move on and like grow from it, you know? So it's like, I don't know. My my second favorite Rebels episode is Brothers of the Broken Horn. And that's the episode where that exactly happens right at the beginning. You know, Ezra is trying to train to shoot the Stormtrooper helmets and then, you know, he needs to do lightsaber training and Hera needs him to clean something up and he just can't do it all.
00:33:42
Speaker
There's, you know, can't do structure. And what does his ass do? Almost become a pirate with Hondo Onaka. And then we would have seen an animatronic of Ezra Bridger at Galaxy's Edge. Is that what you wanted, Scotty? Is that what you want? I think you know, I think you're not. I think you guys think that I am meaning something that I don't mean because I don't think that Canaan is a bad master to Ezra in the long run.
00:34:12
Speaker
I just think it started off rough. Which I feel like we can all agree on that it started off rough. But it gets to where it needs to be. And both of them turn out fine. They both make the ultimate sacrifice. And I don't think Ezra would have made that sacrifice had it not have been from Canaan's teachings.
00:34:36
Speaker
Yeah. So I'm just saying, I don't think he's not a good master in the long run. I just think at the beginning, it's rough. I'd still think that even when it was rough, he was a good master. Well, we can all think what we think and it's art and art is subjective. Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean,
00:34:58
Speaker
Obviously if it wasn't clear by my impassioned rants there, Kanan is my favorite character. So I could probably just, I feel like this is a good place to talk about it. It's honestly hard for me to talk about Kanan. We were talking about this a little bit before, but like,
00:35:13
Speaker
y'all ever love a character or like a show or a thing so much that like you just like can't like talk like like it's like you can talk about it but it's hard for me to like actually express because my brain is just like it's like there's just shit rattling in there like there's no like cohesive thoughts it's just like hanging under my brain's like yeah yeah you know so i'm gonna do my best but
00:35:36
Speaker
again, one of the things I really love about him, he was never perfect. And he never claimed to be. And I just really appreciate that honesty, that humility, and that he recognizes that, yeah, okay, I have something to learn from this 14 year old, you know, like I actually do. And just seeing the way that, you know, he's experienced like a trauma, right, of like order 66. And then he kind of
00:36:01
Speaker
Well, the comics, I guess are technically retconned, but they're canon in my head, right? And then he kind of had a rough go of it right after it too. And then when you read, if you read a new Dawn, he's essentially a drunkard in there. And the only reason he kind of stops living this life is because he hears hair his voice and he's like, Oh my god, who was that?
00:36:19
Speaker
I'm in love. He literally fell in love with her voice, which is like he's such a simp. And honestly, that's I love him for that. That's why I mean, he has no game because he's the type to fall in love with someone's voice. Yeah. For him, though. And then here comes this green bitch around the corner.
00:36:38
Speaker
Yeah, but like, look who we pulled. The hair is amazing. All right. Yeah. She's gorgeous. So. Period. But anyway. Just one steady wins the race. So. I'm telling you, they were doing it throughout the entire show. We just didn't fucking see it because it's a kids show. I love and dear. Yeah.
00:36:59
Speaker
I'm very pro they were doing it the whole time. Like, it's a big ship. It's a big ship. There's living quarters. They all had their own rooms. Mm hmm. Exactly. But anyway, what are some other things like? There's no good way to say going out of Yeah, him and her would be fucking for me to be like, I love him as a person. Um,
00:37:25
Speaker
I really appreciate his humor and his wit. His one-liners and the facial expressions he makes sometimes, they're just so fucking funny. He's just very real. If I were in these situations where we're constantly under duress and being shot at, and he's just always like, great. That's just very relatable.
00:37:50
Speaker
One of my favorite is he, when, when he meets Harris, uh, dad, when he meets chance, he's like all worried. He's like, I'm not nervous. You're nervous. So real.
00:38:08
Speaker
so real. And something I love about him is that from the beginning, he was never one of the Jedi to be like, no, I'm not going to be emotionally attached or tell my crew to not care about the things going on in their personal lives. Because obviously not all of them are Jedi, but I feel like sometimes Jedi even try to like project that onto
00:38:29
Speaker
people who weren't in the order, which is like, okay, if y'all want to be emotionally stunted, that's fine, but keep that to yourself, you know. And I think, you know, Canaan's understanding of the importance of emotional connection and like kinship and all of this stuff is what makes him such a good Jedi master and also just a good person, period.
00:38:50
Speaker
period. So I just really love that. And I also love the journey he goes on to where like, we've talked a bit about his journey of how many times I'm going to use take a shot every time we say during this podcast, please don't you'll have alcohol poisoning. But I just love I'd need a better word than journey what other
00:39:13
Speaker
So we've already talked about the evolution of him, like, you know, accepting that just because he doesn't know everything doesn't mean he can't be a good master, right? But we also see him go through this evolution.
00:39:26
Speaker
of caring more about the rebellion because initially again he's kind of just in it because he's with Hera and this is what Hera is doing and you know and obviously he has his reservations about you know being a Jedi and becoming kind of explicitly involved with a quote-unquote like political
00:39:46
Speaker
thing, another war, because he saw what that did to the Jedi Order and he's like had to live through that trauma. And you know, Ben do kind of facilitates him finally being like, okay, like this is it's important for me to take a side and like, yeah, the way that I did it in the past that was fucked up. But they were also very manipulated. And there was a lot of
00:40:06
Speaker
stuff going. But me as an individual, as a Jedi, I can do the right thing by helping the right side and helping the people I love. You know, obviously they go off kind of on their separate things. Like you were saying, Scotty, like when they each kind of do their thing, like Ezra and Kanan go off to kind of, what is it? They're like, we're gonna hunt all the Inquisitors and then we can come back because y'all won't be able to do anything until the Inquisitors are gone.
00:40:31
Speaker
Which like, first of all, how do y'all, I have such anxiety, but if I was like, okay, like let's say I was a Jedi and they're like, all right, we got to go hunt inquisitors down. I'd be like, uh-uh, like I want to stay here. Don't make me do that. But anyway, um, yeah, so I just, I just really love him a lot. He's my favorite Star Wars character and one of my favorite, just characters like ever.
00:40:58
Speaker
as he should be. Top tier Jedi, top tier character. I think one of my favorite like Kanan arcs because it's not really like like it happens across multiple episodes is in season two. And I think a great way to like show Kanan's growth and give him that journey.
00:41:18
Speaker
was having the clone show up in Star Wars Rebels and having Rex come in and wolf. And it was like, huh, like, I don't know. I loved, I loved seeing Kanan overcome his fears of, you know, and then we see it come full circle and we see him in Bad Batch and actually see him in Order 66 or in the comics. They had that originally as well. Like why the fuck did they not just keep it like that, but
00:41:41
Speaker
Yeah, I love Canaan. Scotty, what do you think about Canaan? Say something nice about Canaan. I'm just kidding. I mean, no, and that's the thing. I don't want anybody who's listening or either of y'all to feel like I don't like him as a character because I do. I'm just going to give you a hard time. I'm going to say what I have to say, though. The thing is, I agree. I like that he now y'all got me doing clapping and shit in front of me. I'm so sorry.
00:42:11
Speaker
I like that he is one of those Jedi that realizes that having attachments is not a bad thing. And that is something that really plays into their downfall and so much Star Wars media. We just got it in Rise of the Red Blade. Like, it's okay to have feelings.
00:42:28
Speaker
It's okay to express them, whether that's just expressing them outwards to just get your feelings out or whether it's about a community or romantic like him and Hera. And I do think that that definitely makes him a better person and Jedi at the end of the day. Yeah, period. Oh, look at you saying something nice about Canaan. I don't know. I just don't think he was a good master in the first two seasons.
00:42:56
Speaker
Now that's going to be a reoccurring joke that Scotty's a Canaan hater and you're never going to, you're never going to outlive that. And eventually I'll just stop responding and be like, yep, next. Then you're going to actually start resenting Canaan. Um, okay. Let's talk, let's start talking about like what's relevant in Star Wars Rebels. Well, all of Star Wars Rebels is always relevant, but as we all know right now, it's more than ever more relevant.
Ahsoka's Influence on Star Wars Rebels
00:43:24
Speaker
So we all know that there's a show coming out of one of the characters that was in Star Wars Rebels. So with that being said, Scotty, who's your favorite character in Star Wars Rebels? Um, Ponto Onaka. No, I'm just kidding. So I was thinking about this and like we all know Ahsoka is my favorite character. I love the journey that she goes on.
00:43:53
Speaker
to where, and I've read about this in my most recent video where I talked about it, where when we left her, she left the Jedi order. And then she wasn't in season six, so we had no idea what happened. So when she appeared in Star Wars Rebels as, you know, a Clone Wars fan who had my reservations about Rebels when it started, having her turn out to be fulcrum at the beginning or like at the end of season one, that was an amazing full circle moment.
00:44:19
Speaker
And the journey that she goes through as a character in season two of, like I said, helping Kanan Ezra become better Jedi also from what she learned with her time in the Order and from Anakin who was, you know, not always by the books when it came to his Jedi training as well. And on top of that, her having to go through the journey of not feeling Anakin through the Force anymore after Order 66.
00:44:47
Speaker
having that weird kind of force connection when they're trying to figure out who this crazy imperial guy could be that like the force is strong with and you know her and Kanan reach out in the force and he feels that it's a force user but then she feels she's like oh no no no no I recognize this presence deep down and it's not something I want to deal with and so seeing her kind of
00:45:11
Speaker
process that leading up until their duel, seeing her new white lightsabers that were so cool the first time we ever got anything like that. It was amazing. And she goes through a huge journey. And it's very emotional. I don't know if y'all cry, Twilight of the Apprentice.
00:45:29
Speaker
to cry every time like like if you cry every time, because that's me. And it's just crazy to see the journey that she goes through, but also how her story was able to weave into the story of the Rebels crew. Because like y'all mentioned, it's it's a tight crew in season one. And it's these brand new characters who, you know, didn't really have any ties anywhere else in the galaxy at the time. And so having a Soko story woven into it, and it actually working, I really liked.
00:45:58
Speaker
but also furthering not only the main characters of the story, but her story as well without it turning into the, you know, Ahsoka season two special, you know what I mean? Which, good on Dave Filoni once again for being able to make that happen too. Yeah, because I think that Ahsoka really uplifts the rest of the characters within Star Wars Rebels, but especially Ezra and Kanan, who we've talked about, have this different master and apprentice relationship
00:46:28
Speaker
Who else has had just a totally abnormal master and apprentice relationship? Ahsoka motherfucking Tano and Anakin Skywalker. There was nothing normal about the way that Anakin taught Ahsoka. And I think that that's what, maybe I'm just attached to the oddballs, like within Star Wars that are just like, they have just this twist on them.
00:46:52
Speaker
One of my hot takes is Star Wars Rebels Ahsoka is my Ahsoka. I love Ahsoka and Clone Wars everything, don't get me wrong. But I feel like Rebels is such the culmination or such a good culmination of the character and everything she's been through. And I think Scotty, you and I were talking about this the other day when you were doing your Ahsoka video, which by the way, go check out Scotty's Ahsoka video, top emotional moments for Ahsoka.
00:47:21
Speaker
I was suggesting that one of my favorite Ahsoka moments is with the World Between Worlds when Ahsoka is pulled through the portal and then Ezra has to see the moment where Kanan dies once again through the portal and
00:47:38
Speaker
everyone's thought process in that moment was pull that bitch out of the portal and and let's let's get back on with the show like get Star Wars Rebels back on the show with Kanan Jarrus we want Kanan back but Ahsoka advises him not to and I feel like it's such a full circle moment for her character because she is someone who lost everything lost her master lost the Jedi Order because of her master
00:48:03
Speaker
And, you know, like, she took the hardest hits. Out of anyone, she understands exactly what Ezra's going through. And I feel like it would have been so easy for Ahsoka to be like, yeah, you don't have to go through the pain I went through. Pull Kanan back out of that portal. But nope.
00:48:22
Speaker
because it's not how it works. When we talked about it too and I'm sorry Chelsea because you weren't there so I guess now you're gonna hear the conversation but when we talked about it something that I mentioned is the fact that not only like has she gone through all of that so she is at a place where she can explain to Ezra why that is not the choice he should make this was also
00:48:43
Speaker
in her timeline moments after confronting what Anakin became and confronting Darth Vader because to Ahsoka one second she was mid fucking fight with Darth Vader and the next second she's in the world between worlds so like this was like her stream of consciousness and the fact that she was she'd realized that at that point that that was where
00:49:07
Speaker
she needed to be in where Ezra what he needed to do. She says the specific line, I care I couldn't save my master. Oh shit, no. She says, you can't save your master. And I can't save mine. And I'm like, damn, that's deep. Like, it was a it's a rough moment. And I'm getting feel a pit in my heart talking about it. But like, it's crazy that she was able to
00:49:32
Speaker
have that clear of a mind to say that to him in that moment because, yeah, how easy would it have been for Ezra to just pull Canaan out? And then, you know, now you got Canaan back and the fight's going to be easier because he got two Jedi again instead of just one. Yeah.
00:49:50
Speaker
Yeah, that's definitely a really emotional moment. And but I agree overall that like Rebels Ahsoka, that's my favorite iteration of Ahsoka, not only because of the character growth, but I also just love her character design in Rebels like I. Yeah. Which is why it's very frustrating in the thing we're not going to talk about.
00:50:11
Speaker
I'm not talking about it, but I love, I just, she's so just like beautiful and I just love like the way she carries herself, like we mentioned already, the white lightsabers, she just like, she just looks like she gives such good hugs in Rebels. Like I feel like she, and Clone Wars too, but like she just like, I don't know, maybe, again, because Rebels is just like softer, like more rounded overall, like kind of automatically everything looks a bit more like,
00:50:38
Speaker
Huggable, I guess, but I don't know. I just love rebels so much. There's there's a there's like a comfortness to her. And I don't even think it's from like you need to watch Clone Wars to feel that from her. I feel like just because she's dealt with all of her trauma to or the majority of it, like she she kind of understands that like you can have emotions. You can be upset. I was upset like and I'm still OK. Like we can get through it together.
00:51:08
Speaker
And I even have to admit, I prefer her Rebels design, at least to the first five seasons of the Clone Wars. Because when that came out, I was like, ooh, I like this Ahsoka. This is good. Like, even the outfit too, just with the armor and stuff, she looks like a baddie. Like, simple as that. Yeah. And because of Ahsoka, we aren't going to get an animated Rebels sequel, but
00:51:39
Speaker
I have a proposal. I have a proposal. If the Rebels sequel had to be live action, what if we got an animated Rebels prequel series? Hear me out, where we have, it follows Sabine, Calus, Zeb, Hera, Kanan, and they're all kind of like, they're all separate journeys. Kind of like Andor, where we're focusing on separate characters,
00:52:07
Speaker
separate stories and then by the end of the series they all come together like that's the whole intention is everything is gonna come together in the end but at first we're following like different sides or whatever we see like the Empire come and take over Mandalore fuck over Mandalore so we get those like connections to the Mando verse
00:52:26
Speaker
but we get to follow characters like Sabine and you know maybe we could see Bo-Katan and we get to see Calus in the Imperial Academy and I don't know I think it would be a fun a fun compromise you know if we can't have the Rebels animated sequel where's the animated rebels prequel I'm trying to see Calus versus the Lesats
00:52:51
Speaker
I was, that's what I was going to say though. Do you want to see where they're all at? Because like we mentioned earlier, Kanan's a drunk. Sabine's in the Imperial Academy making weapons to kill the Mandalorians. Kalis is in like full fascist mode. So they're not in good places. But yeah, I guess by the end, like I know where they're going to end up.
00:53:12
Speaker
But it's still like it'd be it would be gritty. It'd be very gritty. But it would be it would be hopeful. And I don't know.
Callus's Redemption and Character Development
00:53:21
Speaker
I think it'd be fun. I think. Oh, yeah, I agree. It doesn't have to necessarily focus on like one character either. It could still focus on the group, but it would just be like different sides of the story. But then like the empire seems like it would be like the biggest tie in for everything. I saw you had an idea. I'm trying to hear now.
00:53:40
Speaker
I was going to say includes Thrawn. Like, can we get the animated essentially? Bring actually bring Timothy's on in and just translate the book word for word into TV. I want Eli Vanto and fucking animation. Oh, my God. That's why I made that face because I was like, we could see I want long hair Thrawn when the empire finds him on that planet.
00:54:08
Speaker
I don't know who Eli Vantu is, but I hear that name a lot. He is Callus's boyfriend, or Callus's throng's boyfriend, I'm so sorry. Callus's boyfriend is purple, not blue. Sorry, I was getting confused because my favorite character from Star Wars Rebels
00:54:30
Speaker
is Alexander motherfucking Callis. Agent Callis, the person that has the best redemption story in all of Star Wars because it's one of the only ones that we actually get to see follow through and go through all the way. And he doesn't die in the end.
00:54:46
Speaker
yep doesn't die in the end and we get to see him we we literally get to see his ass in that tight ass imperial uniform all the way to that sexy vest in the rebellion and hot callous but i love his journey
00:55:01
Speaker
and one of my favorite Kalis moments is from the first episode where we see him literally kill a stormtrooper and at the time when you first watch it you're like oh he's so evil that he would literally kill a stormtrooper and like canonically that's the intention but i still do think that there was like some type of foreshadowing there to foreshadow the journey that Kalis would eventually go on where he would become fulcrum after Ahsoka
00:55:27
Speaker
Oh, man. Oh, man. You know what, Scotty, I may have to you have a point with season three being one of the best being the better season of Star Wars Rebels. I still think season one, but like, oh, season three.
00:55:41
Speaker
Zero hour with with Callus and Thrawn finding out and that moment Thrawn comes in and he's like, Callus, or should I call you Fulcrum? And they fight, like fist fight. And Thrawn is an ally because he was immediately willing to accept Callus's name change to Fulcrum. He asked him respectfully, would you rather me call you that?
00:56:09
Speaker
So shout out Thrawn. Thrawn respects pronouns and doesn't deadname people. Um, no, but that like, that shit really had me on the edge of my seat. And my all time favorite episode is the inside man and inside man. I love that episode. And I love the end where they throw, where Ezra, no, Kalis is like, okay, we need to make this look natural. And Ezra's like,
00:56:36
Speaker
okay and throws his ass through the fucking window and then Kanan's like what the heck and Ezra's like sorry he said make it look natural he's like no i wanted to do it like i love that love it and when they all find out that callus is fulcrum like Sabine's like you're telling me callus is fulcrum how does that make sense like yeah it was so perfect but i think the ultimate callus episode and i think
00:57:01
Speaker
all Star Wars Rebels fans can agree is, oh, what is the episode called? Where Zeb and Kalis are stranded together on a planet. What is that fucking episode called? I know exactly the episode, but I also can't remember what it's called. And this is your favorite character. You don't even know the episode. I feel like
00:57:23
Speaker
Oh, like it's on the tip of my tongue. Well, either way. Anyways. It's not breaking points, is it? Or am I just making that one? No, I feel like it's taking close. I'm trying to find, um, let's Google this. What is the episode where Calus and Zeb fuck? I love how it still pops up. Star Wars Rebels, the honorable ones.
00:57:50
Speaker
I kid you not, it says right here. I literally looked at one of the episodes of Callous and Zebfuck and it has that, you know how Google does the highlighted responses? It says right at the top, Star Wars Rebels, the honorable ones, TV episode 2016 IMDB. So Google is real as fuck for that. Google knows what's up. Google is number one Callous Zeb shipper.
00:58:16
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I just I love those moments though and It shows that there was they're still good in him. You know the cliche Star Wars thing And yeah, I just Love callus as a character Chelsea has callus on their earrings. So what's your opinion? Oh, yes
00:58:37
Speaker
I think he's definitely a really fun character and I loved seeing his journey, his redemption, but I really did not like him at the beginning because of what he did to Zeb's people. That's fucked up, obviously.
00:58:53
Speaker
Genocide is not a girl while smooth, Callus. But, you know, he repents and he kind of reflects and realizes like, wow, I was manipulated into doing something that I don't believe in, you know, and seeing Zeb be able to like offer that forgiveness and redemption, I think was really important for Callus' character because like in the honorable ones, isn't Callus like, why aren't you just like killing me or like, I'm surprised you're not just leaving me here.
00:59:21
Speaker
And Zeb is like, because that would, because that's not what I believe. Like I do the right thing. And like, I think, you know, well, that's not like explicitly Zeb giving Kalos like forgiveness. I think that was like the first step for Kalos to be able to like forgive himself.
00:59:38
Speaker
Because that's the thing he was probably so absorbed in like own self hatred that of course he wasn't going to question the empire because when he starts doing that that's only going to push him further down like the kind of inner inner turmoil and Zeb kind of allowed him to be like, Oh, no, I haven't out the very people like I harmed would be forgiving of me and like that's just like so fucking like
01:00:01
Speaker
Ooh, and it's a kid show. And it's a fucking kid show. And they did all of that, like, aw. And also, Callous' voice is just, like, very, very attractive. He's got a great voice. I wish I could remember the voice actor's name off the top of my head to give him his flowers, bud.
01:00:19
Speaker
Star Wars Rebels understands that Star Wars is added to best when it has like an important message, an important theme. And like you said with Star Wars Rebels being a kid show, it is so important like to have those themes of forgiveness. And in a way where like, you know, a guy doesn't have to watch his burnt dad die in his arms, you know, like we can maybe understand forgiveness and redemption on a different scale.
01:00:45
Speaker
Um, and yeah, I just, I love everything about that character. I have one thing to say. Yes. I guess it's a hot take, but Callus was way hotter before his rebel redesign.
01:01:02
Speaker
That is true. That is true. But something about his hair. Something about his hair I did not like. But ooh, hot callous. I have in my things to mention section in my notes. Hot callous.
01:01:18
Speaker
But he's not as hot anymore when he's in his little bomber jacket and his hair is all wild because it's not slicked back because he's not in the empire anymore. He's not as selfish anymore so he doesn't care about his self-image. Not that caring about your self-image is selfish, but
01:01:36
Speaker
No, it's cuz it's cuz he ends up we're in love so he didn't have anyone to impress anymore like they they They went past the honeymoon phase so fast. They were just First date so like
01:01:51
Speaker
I also remember at first, this is something I wanted to bring up, is in season 4, like, we see Calus, okay, no, so season 3 ends, we see Calus, he's like, beat the fuck up, and then it's like, okay, what's gonna happen? And then season 4 we immediately jump, episode 3, he just walks in, he's a part of the rebellion.
01:02:09
Speaker
And at first I remember being like, ugh, like I wish they would have shown that more and like shown his transition. But what I really like is that he just walks up and it just feels natural. You wanna know why?
Hera and Sabine's Leadership and Influence
01:02:21
Speaker
Cause that's where he belongs. It's natural for him to be in the rebellion. And so now I feel like I really do like the choice for it to feel like his introduction, he literally just walks in and he's like, Kara Mon Motha wants to talk to you. And it's like that simple.
01:02:34
Speaker
because that's where he belongs and he's home. Just that I really love the beginning of season four of Rebels. I mean, I love the whole season four, but that beginning with Ezra fighting for Lothal and kind of like the politics of it with Mon Mothma and Saw Gerrera and bringing Yavin four into things. I just. That's a good episode. Yeah, that's really good arc.
01:03:01
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Just brilliant. So yeah calluses my favorite character from rebels But all the characters let's be real are some of the best fucking characters talked a lot about Ezra We talked a lot about Canaan about some of the characters that we're gonna see coming up, but their stories continue Sabine Hera. Well, so guys is uh takes on those two. I'm sure you just absolutely despise them, right? I
01:03:28
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I didn't write anything about them because like, you know, I can relate to them. No, just kidding. I, I will say I definitely have more of a connection to Hera than Sabine. But I think that that's
01:03:43
Speaker
also because Hera is so motherly and so welcoming, and Sabine's very, she's stubborn, she's closed off, she doesn't open up to people right away. And I mean, you just mentioned that when she was like, callous, really, he's fulcrum, like, she's just like, no fucking way. And
01:04:02
Speaker
I am hopeful that in future media, I'll learn to like, we'll get to see more of Sabine and learn to see her be more, I guess, loving more openly and not just like when, you know, times are tough and emotions are running high. I don't know if that makes sense, but that's how I feel about Sabine's character, personally. But Hera, right away, love her. She's great, she's a leader, like, mm-hmm.
01:04:31
Speaker
And like you mentioned about Ahsoka, looks like she gives great hugs. I would argue and say Hera looks like she gives even greater hugs. Like she'd be the one to like scratch her head a little bit and like. Yeah.
01:04:47
Speaker
I love her. Yeah. She's mother, you know, like she's like mother isn't like that's mother, but she's also like space. She can do it all. You know, I love her. I just I love the whole ghost crew like literally so much. I really like Sabine. I first of all, she's so fucking cool. I just love her character design, how colorful she is. And I feel like
01:05:12
Speaker
It's just so fitting for her character, especially because, like, yes, Mandalorians in general are cool, and yes, some of them have color, but they're usually, you know, they're the monochrome baddies. And Sabine's just like, fuck y'all. And I'm just like, I just love that about her, where even though she can be more reserved and more standoffish, like, she still expresses herself in one way or another through her hair, through her art, through, like, the way her armor looks, you know? Like, I just, I love that. Yeah.
01:05:41
Speaker
And I feel like she really goes on a long journey. And I feel like she's one that it's almost like a sleeper, like sleeper evolution, because I feel like we really don't learn the extent of what happened with her on Mandalore until later on. And, you know, yeah, yeah.
01:06:00
Speaker
Yeah, so I feel like, but it really pays off and then her getting to go back to, you know, Mandalore and then still reuniting with the crew and like how important it was for her to go and finish her, like what she needed to do with like her family and on Mandalore and again, find that forgiveness in herself and go on that journey. So that way she can accept the loss of Ezra and still carry on what he can no longer do by still helping to free Lothal and
01:06:28
Speaker
taking care of it until the journey resumes next week. Sabine is my favorite character from the Ghost crew. I love Sabine a ton because she's so creative and she is the Star Wars rebel. She is the rebel of Star Wars.
01:06:53
Speaker
And I think, like I said, I was younger when watching Star Wars Rebels. I was the same age as Ezra and Sabine. And you see Sabine kind of go through this journey of learning to be nice to her parents, or just forgiving and whatnot. I was like, hmm, maybe I don't have to be such a moody teenager. Maybe I can be nice to my parents. So I remember specifically being like,
01:07:23
Speaker
Oh, Sabine is teaching me about family now. I feel like Star Wars Rebels made me a better person in that sense because then I got out of the phase of being like, ugh, I don't want anything to do with my parents.
01:07:42
Speaker
It's so funny that you mentioned that too because while Chelsea was talking I was thinking Sabine kind of fills the archetype of like the edgy like either the edgy new girl in like the movie stereotypes or like the edgy girl that the new character finds like kinship with and eventually the edgy standoffish girl like comes around in the end and she's actually very loving.
01:08:08
Speaker
And so that fits so much with what you're saying. That's kind of what she feels. And the fact that she's an artist, it fits all right there.
01:08:18
Speaker
with Sabine. One thing I saw recently is that Sabine only had eight episodes in Star Wars Rebels that were like centered around her, you know, which is wild because there's so many episodes of Star Wars Rebels. And Sabine has such a big impact on the story. I feel like all the stuff with Mandalore and stuff, I'm like, all that stuff happens in eight episodes. Like, but I love her journey with the Darksaber.
01:08:45
Speaker
oh my fucking god like just her training with Canaan first of all I swear if we see any type of parallels to those in future projects I swear to god it's over it's so over and and just seeing her go from
01:09:03
Speaker
creating that weapon to destroy Mandalorians, which she didn't think would ever be used. But then taking the initiative to step up and fight for Mandalore for all of Mandalore and all Mandalorians and doing what's right for them. That was so beautiful. One thing I will say, though, I was pissed when they wrote her out of the show.
01:09:25
Speaker
I was like, what the fuck do you mean you're gonna send her off to Mandalore? Yeah, that was weird. Like, I guess it makes sense. But I'm just like, so then when she came in in zero hour, like right at the end, I remember the part, part one, Ezra says something like to because he flies off a chopper, he's like, we're gonna go get Sabine.
01:09:46
Speaker
Yeah, so fuck I'm talking about. And then season four, we get Boca 10. Oh, but rough looking book 10 the worst iteration of Boca 10 ever. Looking like she's 50 years old. She just forgot the sunscreen for a season. It's okay. She was between appointments. I have a question though.
01:10:12
Speaker
Yes. You mentioning Sabine. Do you have a favorite Sabine like hair color or hairstyle? The blue and white that she does. I'm boring. I like the dark brown and like purple that she has towards like the end. I think it's season four is when that happens. I don't know. The one where she's got like the bangs and it kind of curls out in the back. I hate that one.
01:10:38
Speaker
I like that because it's pink and orange because I'm biased. All right. I love the color. I have fucking orange hair. So obviously I'm going to love when she is orange in her hair.
01:10:48
Speaker
So I really want to see what Sabine looks like with that long hair with all the different colors. I want to see what she looks like in rebels animation with that hair, because I just like for some reason can't picture it in my mind. I'm like, you mean, the longer she has in the upcoming show. I want to see what that would look like with her. Well, it'll probably be blended better in animated version.
01:11:17
Speaker
But the lace front will be showing. It's not the lace front, it's the color. It's like they dyed half of it purple. They put tape and they said this half is purple, this half is orange. There will be no blending of the purple and orange, no fading. That's disrespectful to being because she's a fucking cosmetologist.
01:11:40
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she heard when she had when she had ombre color that shit was it was ombre beautiful it was right it was ombre and if she wanted the root and whatever separate it was intentional and you could tell
01:11:55
Speaker
Well, maybe, you know, we don't know how hair dye is on Lothal. Maybe they don't have a Sally's on Lothal. They have hard water and they don't have a shower filter. So the minerals just fuck it up. I know what that's like. Oh, it's rough on Lothal. It's going to be better after the empire. Hopefully then. But maybe she just is like, maybe it's a choice, right? I don't know.
01:12:21
Speaker
Well, the towers far from the main like hub of the city too. So like her pipes and stuff probably haven't been replaced in a couple years. So, you know, I love people in my comments. You fucking arguing about how the tower on Lothal got cleaned and shit. And
01:12:43
Speaker
No, no, no, that's fine. We're just, I love how genuinely concerned we are about the sake of her hair. But like, I just, as someone who dyes my hair like a neon color, like I, these are things I do genuinely think about. Like, does she wash with cold water or does she use hot water in the shower? That can cause issues. Again, do you filter? Is your shampoo sulfate free? Sulfates probably don't even fucking exist in Star Wars. I don't know.
01:13:09
Speaker
Maybe there's stuff we don't even know about that exists that we don't have that could fuck it up. Who knows? So, you know how Jason Syndulla, there was like that Lego leak. There was like that Lego leak and he's gonna have brown hair. So I saw a theory that what if the reason he has green hair and rebels is because Sabine dyed it.
01:13:32
Speaker
And then got some on his ears. That would make me like it a lot more than like it just being green because of Hera being a Twi'lek.
01:13:42
Speaker
Which we know that was the intention, but... Right. But I saw that tweet where it's like, what if it was like he just looks more human because that's just the way the DNA worked that time, but he wanted to look more like his mom, so then that's why they dyed it green. I was like, oh, that's really sweet. But they definitely weren't thinking that. They definitely were like, we're just going to make this child really ugly.
01:14:07
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I would really love if he had and this is just an in my universe in her universe. In my universe, I would really like him to still have Lekku, but have kind of like a scruffy like patch of hair like on top of his head. I think that would be so cute. But I think it'd be kind of cute. You don't think so. Fuck no. All right. Never mind. You can edit that out next.
01:14:37
Speaker
I think we already talked about it a little bit. I think we should lay it out.
Favorite Episodes and Character Dynamics
01:14:42
Speaker
Top three episodes of Star Wars Rebels. We'll start with you, Scotty. What are your top three?
01:14:48
Speaker
well one of them does not have Ahsoka in it and it's number three and it is Jedi Knight. We talked about it a little earlier like obviously we all know Kanan it's his ultimate sacrifice. It's the culmination of the journey he's been on the entire show and it's super emotional also the
01:15:10
Speaker
Ooh, when Hera like screams his name at the end of the episode, once again, I'm getting chills thinking about it. Right. And but also like we finally get to see them like just be in love and love each other at the beginning of the episode after he rescues her. And sure, Hera's a she's a little well, she's not drunk, but, you know, she's a little messed up from whatever they gave her in torture. But it's so cute. So that's my number three. You're a little sick for that. Not gonna lie. I'm a little sick for what?
01:15:40
Speaker
To have that as your third favorite episode, but okay, I'll let it slide. I'll let it slide. Oh, sorry. I was just going to say, it is a good episode. It really is one of the best episodes of the show, but it's literally so devastating for me. Generally, my eyes, I'm not even just being ha ha funny right now. My eyes started watering when you were just talking about it. I was just like, I can't, I can't.
01:16:06
Speaker
I don't know. To be talking shit about Kane in the whole episode and then say that your favorite episode is when he dies. I don't know. You're furthering this agenda that does not exist. But anyways, my second favorite is not a dev... Well, I guess it's a little devastating. Maybe all of my favorites are a little depressing, but they all make me feel something, which is why they're my favorites.
01:16:33
Speaker
Season two, episode 18, Shroud of Darkness, which is the episode where Kanan, Ahsoka, and Ezra go to the Lothal Temple and everybody gets their own vision. That's when Kanan is knighted, which is a great moment for him. It's a pivotal point. I love the vision that he has, especially with the Grand Inquisitor. It's not really him, but it's just like,
01:16:59
Speaker
him in the forest, being the one to night him. I love that. That's when Ahsoka finds out and kind of confirms that Anakin is Vader from the vision that she has and where he's all like, you left me, you abandoned me. Do you know what I've become? And I'm just like,
01:17:15
Speaker
I can't my heart. And Ezra gets to speak to Yoda, which it's this is the first time Ezra gets to see Yoda. And we also kind of get a sneak peek into what could be the world between worlds because of whatever at least design wise, like I don't think they're in the world between worlds, but they're on some ethereal force plane speaking to one another. And I really love that episode. I think it's a great episode as well. The little
01:17:44
Speaker
the little moment that just breaks me every time is Yoda's little wave at Ahsoka as they're walking out of the temple. Oh, like especially after that forces of destiny episode where they're training together. It's just because do Ahsoka and Yoda really get that many moments like in the actual Clone Wars series? I'm genuinely asking because like go off together and do not go off together, but just like have moments where it's like that adds to the impact of that wave.
01:18:15
Speaker
Yes, but it's in season seven. So like it was proactively added in. You know, after they have the meeting and he's like, not as a Jedi. Yeah. Like when Mace Windu was like, whatever, citizen. And and she's like, not as a Jedi and Ahsoka's like, not yet.
01:18:38
Speaker
Which is kind of foreshadowing that she's not going to be I am no Jedi forever, but that's a whole nother topic. But and then number one. I'm sure we can all guess it. Season two, episode 21 and 22.
01:18:55
Speaker
twilight of the apprentice because every time it wrecks me to my core I feel so many emotions I cry every time we've barely talked about it but we also get the return of Maul in Star Wars Rebels which
01:19:12
Speaker
We get to see a Canaan mall and a so good team up against the Inquisitors, which was really cool, because if you think about it, there's four red double bladed lightsabers in that fight, which we've never seen. That was crazy. This kind of goes into one of my hot takes, but I kind of like the Ezra mall team up. I thought I kind of I kind of wanted a little Ezra dark side arc.
01:19:43
Speaker
So I like that. And then, yeah, pain, sadness. Ahsoka confronts her master. And we get the first face cracked before Obi-Wan did it. Ahsoka did it. And oh, that cuts hard when he calls her name. And even you see it in her face, she's like, it shocked me. It shocked her. Once again, I'm getting chills thinking about it.
01:20:05
Speaker
I guess we get a little bit of it.
01:20:12
Speaker
It's a lot. Great episodes. And yeah, Mall, love Mall and Star Wars Rebels. Yeah, I think those are great, great top three.
01:20:24
Speaker
I think one of the funniest things at the end of the episode two, which I didn't even think of, is everybody's reaction. Season two ends very sadly. Kanan is holding Ezra on the ship back from Malachor because Kanan's been blinded.
01:20:43
Speaker
as is crying because he thinks Ahsoka is dead. They get back. Hera's like, oh my God, Kanan, what happened? You're blind now. Rex comes back from the back of the crowd to be like, oh, where's Ahsoka? And then he knows she's not there anymore. Like just the look, the music hits. Oh, it's so sad.
01:21:02
Speaker
Did you notice the first time you watched? Because you watched as it was coming out. Did you notice Ahsoka walking out of the temple at first? No. Because...
01:21:16
Speaker
No, I didn't notice at all. And because Disney XD would put ads all over the screen, like at the end, the last few like seconds of the episode. So I had no idea. I never saw her walking out of the temple. I saw Vader and then I saw Morai and that was it.
01:21:33
Speaker
Cause I just remember back in the day before that, before season four came out, everybody would be talking about that episode and say like, Oh, is this Ahsoka? And I'm just wondering back then, like, were we all just collectively stupid? Because it's like so very clearly Ahsoka walking out of that temple. Like you see, you see the, the Montrels of Aleku or whatever. It's so very clearly Ahsoka. And so I'm just like, why back in the day were we questioning like, Oh, is this Ahsoka?
01:22:03
Speaker
I think they changed some color grading or something when they put it up on Disney Plus because when I rewatched it with my best friend for her first time, I saw her clear as day walking out of the temple and my best friend was like, I don't know why you thought she was dead. It's clearly her walking right out.
01:22:21
Speaker
that that didn't happen I did not see that so maybe they changed like I said some color grading or something because it's still a dark scene it's all like gray and black and like you see her basically just her silhouette and it's clearly her but I think
01:22:38
Speaker
I think they changed something between when it aired and Disney Plus or something. They do that shit all the time. Did you know that when Rebels initially premiered, the Vader and Inquisitor scene wasn't in the beginning of Star Wars Rebels? They didn't add that in until way later.
01:22:56
Speaker
I read that yes I did not know it at the time but yeah I read that somewhat recently I feel like there's there's some cool stuff with rebels that they do and that they've added in well and like Ian McDermott reprises his role at one point and I think he re-recorded lines that Sam Witwer had done for the Emperor too which is another like fun fact
01:23:20
Speaker
Yeah, they changed it. They changed it after the fact. Very interesting. But Chelsea, what are your top three episodes of Star Wars Rebels? Yes. So mine, Scotty, you had such like good iconic picks. And then mine, I feel like people are gonna be like, what the fuck? But like, as I've already established,
01:23:41
Speaker
Yeah, I choose based off my heart, you know, like it's just like the vibe. The vibe is good. Favorite episode, yes. No, but my my number three favorite episode is Legends of the Lassat. So season two, episode 14, because this is like the first kind of big like moment, I think, for Zeb and kind of, I think, helps explain why Zeb is such an ass to Ezra, because Ezra is easy to pick on. And like, this is still very fresh for him, you know.
01:24:11
Speaker
And I think it's just really cool to explore how non Jedi connect to the force, you know, they're not traditionally force sensitive but are still able to tap into this like spiritual like thing and just like, again, that message of hope where it's like Zeb thinks he is the last one left and that is like,
01:24:31
Speaker
a huge emotional burden to carry. And, you know, he's reluctant at first, because again, it's one of those things where it's like if for so long you've believed one thing, you can't allow yourself to have hope because that's crushing. And so at first he's like, nah, these
01:24:46
Speaker
these Lasats are, they're just weird. They're just the weird old people, right? But then through the help of the ghost crew, his new family, he's able to finally open himself up to that and realize that his people are alive and thriving on a planet that is safe from the empire. And that's just
01:25:07
Speaker
oof, like that's quintessential rebels, that's quintessential Star Wars, and then knowing that, you know, him and Calus will live there in a little cottage one day. The cottage I just made up, I could just picture them living in a little cottage together, but I just really love that episode, like I just, for a lot of reasons, you know.
01:25:26
Speaker
That's a good pick. That's a really good pick. And I feel like that's an underrated episode too. Yeah. I love, I love Zeb. I feel like I love all of the characters so much. Like if someone asked me to like rank the ghost crew aside from Kanyan being my favorite, I think I would genuinely explode. Like I don't think it's possible.
01:25:47
Speaker
Also, one thing I love about that episode is I love when Star Wars explores how other cultures and like how other planets and other species know, like understand the force because very clearly what the Lesats are explaining is the force, but they just have a different understanding of it. Like it's their own interpretation of it. And we see that with like the Nightsisters, like it's the force, but it's it's their interpretation of it. And so I love when Star Wars does that.
01:26:17
Speaker
It explores these different avenues. I'm glad you mentioned that because when Chelsea was explaining it, I also thought of like with the Wookiees too, the way they experience the forest, whether or not necessarily wielding it, but they're still connecting with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's something important to keep in mind going forward with the show that is coming next week, but that's a different conversation. Okay.
01:26:41
Speaker
My number two episode is Rise of the Old Masters, the season one episode five. Again, I've talked about this a lot earlier, but it's the episode where they think they're going to find Luminara, but obviously it's a trap. And that's very sad, obviously, to like see her corpse. That's like
01:26:59
Speaker
Ooh, so sorry, girly. I'm this is really bad for you. That's like that's terrible. Like not only were you killed, but like now your corpse is like the empire is like fucking evil. That's like God. But anyway, why this is one of my favorite episodes is obviously the really important moments between Canaan and Ezra. Again, the conversation of like, I don't want anyone else to be my master in Canaan being like, I didn't think I could be a good one. And again, I just love using that quote from the out of the
01:27:29
Speaker
do or do not, there is no try. And Ezra, I love the how silly the animation is in the first season, especially because like, when Canaan says that obviously there's a dramatic pause and Ezra's face like the way he pouts is like I feel bad for him, but it's so funny just for then Canaan to be like, I am going to do it. And you know, I just, I really love I feel like that's really the start of like, their their relationship and
01:27:53
Speaker
Yeah, I just really like that one even though it's kind of sad and honestly a little creepy even. But I love spooky stuff so there you go.
01:28:04
Speaker
I was gonna say it's a little spooky ooky with her corpse in there. And it's like we talked about how season one, or just in general, people were worried this was more of a kid type show. But this was a bit dark because it's we literally see her corpse in like a sarcophagus or something in the corner of the cell. And yeah, it's a little it's very eerie. Yeah.
01:28:28
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And then my favorite episode of Rebels is Holocrons of Fate, season three, episode three. There's just so many moving parts in this episode. It's right after a really good first two season opener. Like, I had a tough time picking between those two episodes and this one. But I think why I chose this one is specifically the conversation that Kanan and Ezra have, where Kanan's like, Ezra, I never blamed you. Like, you don't need my forgiveness.
01:28:58
Speaker
and Ezra's like okay master and then they hug like it's just so sweet because like you know we've seen in the first couple of episodes Kanan's really struggling and he's kind of detached himself from the crew because he's trying to process what he's going through and he needs the reminder from Bendu that you know he like hey I understand you're going through shit but like people are depending on you and this is affecting them you know and
01:29:22
Speaker
that's weird when we see Ezra kind of have his dark sided tendencies a little bit right where he because he feels like he failed Canaan and he you know he needs an outlet and you know is being driven driven that way and being a little bit manipulated by Maul. This episode as well, Maul
01:29:38
Speaker
Maul is a fucking heathen. Like he really is reckless in Rebels. And like, because he, this also is kind of dark. Like he literally captures the ghost crews like, give me the fucking holocron or you'll die. They give him the holocron and the droids still go up to like shoot, shoot the three of them until Kanan shows up. Thank God. Right. But, um,
01:29:57
Speaker
So I just like it has Maul. It has that really touching moment. It has, you know, Vendu is a very intriguing character to me. So it's, you know, he's really cool. And just seeing like Ezra's reaction to him, I think is also just really funny. Like it's being so like,
01:30:13
Speaker
scared and him just being like Ezra's just kind of like incredulous because he's like how are you not like reacting Kanan like it's been who's this giant like thing you know which i guess Kanan can like maybe sense his presence like how big he's in the forest but i don't know i just love i just love that um
01:30:30
Speaker
Yeah. Oh yeah. I have the exact quote here. I never blamed you Ezra. It's time for you to forgive yourself. Like that just makes me weep every time. Like it's just such a touching moment. And was really needed for them all then to come together from there on out. So that's my favorite.
01:30:48
Speaker
correct me if I'm wrong. Is this when they're in, they're in like a cave and the scary spider things are all over? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The way that Ezra just like throws his like throws himself onto Canaan. It's such a sweet moment, especially because he was being a bratty little dark sided teenager.
01:31:07
Speaker
for the majority of it and yeah that moment it's very heartwarming I agree yeah and too like it's really cool then we start connecting to the original trilogy some more because maul's trying to figure out you know they combine the holocrons and it's the light is like you know blinding and everything and uh they're like i see twin sons there's a boy and maul is just like yes yes he lives and flies off i'm like
01:31:34
Speaker
Okay, bye. He's a little cuckoo bananas, but that's okay. He's been through a lot. I really like how just like... I mean, Maul has always been a really good villain, very vindictive, but I really like how in Rebels that kind of leaned into the crazy old man a little bit.
01:31:55
Speaker
It kind of softens some of like the really terrible things he does, not that he would deserve that. But it makes it camp, you know? Like I feel like it made them all a bit more slay in that way.
01:32:08
Speaker
Yeah, I love seeing Maul insane as fuck on Tatooine. Kenobi. I love it. Oh, that's where we got that. And that's like iconic Maul, right? Well, we got that in the Twin Suns episode. But the episode that Chelsea mentioned is the one where he learns and he flies off and then we don't see him again until he appears on Tatooine. Wait, no, that's not true. We see him.
01:32:37
Speaker
we see him appear like before in between those two episodes right because then he like torments Ezra on the base and Ezra keeps thinking he sees him and freaks out that was very creepy too when Ezra would just turn and see him there but yeah in general rebels gave us an iconic mall line which is like the line people tell Sam what we're to say like that's one of the top ones so they
01:33:07
Speaker
animation mall has transcended anything that he was in the movies. It's crazy. Speaking of Sam Witwer, when a couple of my friends and I met him at a con, our friend P asked Sam, he's like, oh, what's your favorite mall line? And he said, I know this is going to seem cliche, but it's the Kenobi line. So I was like, hell yeah.
01:33:29
Speaker
Hell yeah. I didn't meet him, but I saw him from a distance, so. He was cool. I was there though. He smelled really good. He looks really good. I'd look at him from a distance. I'd take that. He's great to look at. Yeah. I met Matt Lanter and James Arnold Taylor instead. But next C2E2, if you're there, Sam Whitwear. Don't listen to me talking about you being hot, though. Take me to that part.
01:33:58
Speaker
So my favorite Rebels episodes, this is ridiculously hard. Every single Rebels episode is my favorite episode in some way. Like there's something in all of them.
Ezra's Growth and Relationships
01:34:09
Speaker
But I think I went to Chelsea's route and these are the ones that, these ones that left me like feeling something.
01:34:18
Speaker
So number three, the Lost Commanders. It's the one where we get introduced to Captain Rex and the clone troopers in their camp-ass fucking jeep. Whatever the fuck that thing is. I love it. Fan life. They're so ridiculous. They're old man RV.
01:34:37
Speaker
Yes, they are so ridiculous. And I just love, like I mentioned before, seeing Kanan overcome his distrust of these clones. And obviously this was just the first episode of that arc. But
01:34:55
Speaker
It is kind of funny the way that they use Zeb to go out there to be bait and have him holding the string. I'm just like poor Zeb. It's so funny though. And I love that episode. So Lost Commanders, I had to put that at number three.
01:35:16
Speaker
Um, number two, Brothers of the Broken Horn. I am a Hondo Onaka stand first, human second. I love Hondo Onaka with my whole soul. Um, that episode is fun because like in the beginning, Ezra's all stressed out because what's he gonna do? And then
01:35:37
Speaker
Because he's trying to balance being a Jedi and having to clean the ghost and shooting at stormtrooper buckets and So he has to stay behind and clean the ghost with chopper. They leave because they get a call from as Morrigan and
01:35:54
Speaker
And it is not as work in there. And Ezra introduces himself as Lando Calrissian, because you know, he always has his little nicknames. And I just love I love Hondo and Ezra together. And I feel like they're like,
01:36:13
Speaker
friendship or friendship whatever you want to call it the way it grows throughout Rebels is just amazing and you know Hondo at the end of the series actually helping the rebellion and being a huge part of that like that's just so cool to me and so I really love the impact that Ezra had on Hondo but also just like seeing
01:36:36
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Ezra really struggled to pick like should he stay with the ghost crew or should he go on Hondo's crew and the fact that he was like genuinely thinking about it but then still chose the ghost crew in the end I just I just love the moments like that and I guess it I guess it gives a little feel to your point Scottie that Kanan may not have been the best the best master but in the end he chose Kanan so
01:37:08
Speaker
Ezra, what do you think? Let's ask Ezra. He's lost. He can't come to the phone right now. Yes. But my all-time favorite episode is an Inside Man.
01:37:23
Speaker
I think it's very fun when they learn that Calus is fulcrum and he helps Ezra and Kanan escape like that. Just such a fun moment and really felt like it paid off everything that came before with Calus and it's just brilliant the way that it all came together. That's all I can really say. So all the Calus episodes to be honest, but especially in Inside Man.
01:37:53
Speaker
It's funny though, because all of our favorite characters of the series, like our favorite episode is like a pivotal moment for our favorite character. I feel like, listen, like Austin said, all Rebels episodes are my favorites, but like we had really good picks. We have really good taste. I just need to say that. Period. Yeah. I feel like some honorable mentions for me would be like the honorable ones. Love that. World Between Worlds.
01:38:23
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That would be, that would be my number four, probably. I was struggling between Jedi Knight and World Between Worlds. Yeah. Something about like, I just remember, I think I still have the videos on my Snapchat of watching that for the first time with my friends and being like, what the fuck? Like you hear Rey, you hear like Obi-Wan, Yoda, Jane or so. Like I was like, what the fuck is going on here? So
01:38:48
Speaker
The Mortis Gods, they come back in it. Can I say one thing about it though that pisses me off about that episode? You brought it up and I have to mention it. Palpatine calls Ahsoka Ashoka.
01:39:09
Speaker
And Ashoka Tano. And I'm like, Ashoka Tano? Like, did they get you in the studio for one day and this was the best you could do? They're like, well, we'll just put it in and we're not going to question it. Do y'all notice that? Or is this just the thing that only irritates me? I didn't notice it, but I hear it now. Like Ashoka.
01:39:28
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yeah it's it's you know yeah he's Palpatine's a fake fan all right i feel like he can't spell i feel like he just does that with all s's though because doesn't he say like skywalker skywalker no he literally says the soak of the way people misspell it
01:39:49
Speaker
The way the autocorrect wants you to spell it. Yeah, I don't know who Ashoka is, but that's not my name. That's what the fucking Disney website puts on their listings. They put Ashoka. Yes. They don't know how to spell her name properly. Jedi Knight Ashokatana.
01:40:10
Speaker
I'm trying to think. I didn't have an honorable mention picked out because I was surprised I was able to name three. But off the top of my head, I think the episode is called Empire Day. But Ezra's birthday, we're like, I'll find out it's Ezra's birthday.
01:40:28
Speaker
That's a really good, I think that's a good episode for all of them because they really rally around Ezra. Also, isn't that where we get the funny moment where Canaan pretends to be like drunk and supporting the empire like behind the scenes, like funny shit like that I love and you know, just seeing, I don't know, I just, that would be definitely my top five, I think. That's a big another.
01:40:50
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Yes, stand up together as one. I don't know the full quote, but love Ezra. Okay, but before we go, we should read some takes from our viewers. So as always, check out our
Debates on Character Portrayals and Relationships
01:41:05
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Instagrams. We're going to be asking each week for your hot takes about the topics and we'll let you know if we agree or disagree. So this first one comes from that guy, Garak. Agree or disagree? Not a fan of Lars Mikkelsen as Thrawn. He wasn't good.
01:41:22
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The faces say it all. Disagree. Yeah, I'm sorry. I disagree. I think that he's perfect. I think that his voice, like I just can't imagine anybody else as Grand Admiral Thrawn. I don't know. Like, I mean, maybe it's just because we haven't heard anybody else, but I genuinely don't think that I can imagine anyone else as Grand Admiral Thrawn.
01:41:46
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I mean, unless we can pick Thrawn out of the universe, like we're not going to have that exact that exact person. So I think we got the next best thing with what we had available. You know what I mean? Like he's the voice. It's the voice that just it's chilling. Yeah. Yeah. It's spooky and adds to the character. So.
01:42:09
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Yeah. I just, I'm sorry. I'm still a little flabbergasted, but what y'all said. Yeah. Agree. Agree with y'all. Disagree with the take. So sorry to them, but. Okay. So A. Flanny says, so agree or disagree. Sabine is an extremely weak and underdeveloped character. Disagree. Disagree.
01:42:33
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She has the shortest amount of episodes, but she has the best arc probably of anyone in the ghost crew, in my opinion. I mean, I will say it does take a little bit of time to get to know who she is. But once we start to get to know who she is and her arc does develop more, it is hard hitting almost every time. So disagree. Yeah. Sorry, bestie.
01:43:00
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Again, I could understand, like we've all said, that it took a while maybe for us to fully understand her story, but to say she's the weakest character, when she helped reunite Mandalore? Hmm, I don't know about that, but...
01:43:18
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But no, but here's the thing. I don't think any of the the ghost crews are weak characters. I think they're all very like well rounded and interesting as individuals and as part of the group. So yeah, especially being. All right. So this next one comes from almost certainly Brad agree or disagree. The animation is too cheesy to take the story seriously.
01:43:42
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Disagree. I'll take it's it's 2023. It is no longer 2016. And I just feel like not only is the animation one, not that bad, but two, it pays homage to the roots of Star Wars within the concept art, but also things we see in A New Hope. You know, like Vader's mask design is literally straight up ripped from Ralph McQuarrie concept art. So I just feel like the animation is fantastic.
01:44:10
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You said what needed to be said. L take, grow up, move on. Like at this point, y'all, I would understand if you're still shitting on resistance animation, because that's not for everybody. But if you're still talking about Rebels animation, log off. So I also disagree, but I do wish the men had butts.
01:44:35
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that's my only complaint about rebels information the men in this series have no buts the women have buts so like buts are possible in this animation but other than that no the animation is good just straight up scared of ass like
01:44:54
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All back, all back. This next one comes from peter dot awesomer agree disagree Ezra and Sabine had a sneaky link. disagree
01:45:10
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They are brother and sister. I think at the beginning Ezra tried and definitely had some sort of attraction to Sabine and then she very much shut his ass down and that was the end of it. And I feel like by the time that we got to season two, that was long gone. Oh, I kind of agree.
01:45:36
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I didn't. I didn't used to because I agree with what you were saying, Austin. But as time goes on and they mature more, I feel like they realize what they were arguing about really was because they liked each other a little bit and go to hell to beat his fruity like she's at least fruity. So and I think she always viewed him as like a little brother. Hmm. I don't know. But when he grows up,
01:46:05
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I'm just saying, once he got older, she was like, oh, well, we are on the same ship. So whatever you say. She's gay! Look at her hair. Look at her hair. You think there's heterosexual activities happening between her and Ezra on that ship with that hair? She could be bi. She could be pan.
01:46:32
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yeah she could but like i still don't see it i'm sorry i didn't i didn't used to but like as i've rewatched the series where i'm like oh i mean maybe not a sneaky link but maybe a little crush did you guys know there's this guy on twitter that back in the day i think he still does it
01:46:54
Speaker
And it's like it's like a blank it's like it's like a username bunch of numbers type of account and he'll comment on like if you mentioned Star Wars Rebels or Ezra Sabine he comments the same comment and it's Ezra Bridger wife name Sabine Wren comments it on every it's just it's a comment like you'll be like oh I love Star Wars Rebels and the top comment is from him Ezra Bridger wife name Sabine Wren
01:47:19
Speaker
And then sometimes Sabine ran husband named Ezra Bidger. Well, I guess the woman first feminism win. Let's go. Okay. I'm going to reiterate. Well, no, I'm not going to reiterate. I'm going to add to my statement and say, even though they hooked up, Sabine pegged him. She's a tough.
01:47:49
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Sabine's the top. Sabine's the top in the relationship. You know what? Okay, if that's what you think. I mean, you know, the Mandalorian's got, they got lots of little gadgets. So who knows?
01:48:10
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put that in the short Sabine Sabine is the backpack girly like she is the one bring you know but not I just I listen she could totally be by your pan or any other multiple like attraction sexuality I think she's just a big old lesbian I don't know I don't know because she's the one who he trusted at the end of the day to wait for him and to come find him and I think that was out of love
01:48:41
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Yeah, like platonic familial love. They're a couple of besties. Okay, thinking about it now, this ain't gonna be in the short, but I will say,
01:48:56
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I think that in reality, if they were to have not hooked up before and will say that there was no connection before, I think they might have realized in their time apart that they loved each other romantically. That is my one fear of the show coming up.
01:49:19
Speaker
Is that, is that because here's the thing, even though I'm clapping on you, even though I'm clapping on you, I know exactly what you mean. And I feel like there's hints, even in season three, there's the, there's the one where he has to hold on to her with the jet pack. He has to hold on to her. Well, it's still going in the podcast. It's just, I just don't think we'll have enough to be able to fit into the short, but this is still listening to this part.
01:49:47
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Oh, okay. Well, yeah, like I think in their time apart, definitely they may have realized like, wow, maybe I do actually love him. And more than just a brother, like maybe they didn't do anything before. But like, in their time apart, what do they say distance makes the heart grow fonder? Isn't that the quote? Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Listen, I'm just saying it's realistic. I'm not saying I support.
01:50:13
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while she was watching her hair with the horrible water on Lothal up in the dirty, you know, tower that she lives in before she paid people to clean it, I guess. She's thinking about her tower and she's like, damn, I really miss that boy. I wish I could just lay my head on his chest. And then she's like, oh, oh, what was all that? Oh, maybe I do have a crush on him. That is her brother, her blood brother.
01:50:40
Speaker
Bestie vibes only. Bestie vibes only. I used to think... I get the vision. I get the vision, but it makes me nauseous. And we'll see what Dave Fellany does. I'm not excited at the prospect. What's the next pick? Whose turn is it,
Rebels' Legacy and Impact on Star Wars
01:51:05
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Chelsea? No, it's Austin's turn, no? No, that was the sneaky link.
01:51:11
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It's your turn. Oh, shit, sorry. So our next take is from art, yeah. And so agree or disagree. Hera is not perfect space mom. She's actually so much like Cham, but she learns to care more about the people than the cause over the course of the show.
01:51:28
Speaker
What the hell? No, I think from the very first episode, remember, she's the one that was like, we need to go get Ezra because the rest of the Ghost crew was just going to leave his ass there with the Empire. She was the only one that was like, come on, come on. Yeah. While I can see what they're saying,
01:51:57
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I can only choose agree or disagree, so I will be choosing disagree.
01:52:14
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just no no that's that's not it i do think i do think she has her father inside of her but maybe more of his good qualities um and more the things that made him more of a hard leader she learned that that wasn't how to lead and she took more of that kind of like
01:52:34
Speaker
with Canaan where they take more of the emotions that most leaders will like try to suppress because they can't act on emotion and use those in a positive way and in a productive way, which is what makes her so motherly and maybe not even motherly. She just holds the group together. She's the leader. She's the heart.
01:52:52
Speaker
Yeah, I so I definitely I agree with y'all and that I disagree with the take and I feel like I mean like as a leader obviously there are going to be times where you have to like put the mission above like you know people like sacrifices have to be made but I don't think like you said from the get she was like y'all we gotta go get the blueberry man like what are like come on like we can't just leave him here
01:53:15
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And I can't remember the name of the episode or what season, but I'm distinctly remembering. I think it's when they're finally more tied in with the rebellion. They go on a mission. I'm here. She loses like almost her whole squadron or something. And she's devastated. Like she like she really like you can see how deeply that affects her, you know. And so while maybe she's had to make some tough choices, like I don't think that, you know,
01:53:41
Speaker
I think she inherited the best traits of her dad, but has more of that warmth to her and really helps create community and helps everyone care about each other. And she knows everyone's little quirks, right? Because I think there's one day where something's happening and I think it must have been Zeb and Ezra bickering.
01:54:03
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and maybe like her assistant or something is like it's like you don't like you don't know like today's a hard day for him i can't remember exactly but there's lots of moments like that where it's very clear that she cares about the people yes she cares about the mission but her people are like the most important to her
01:54:21
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Which is why it's so devastating when she loses Kanan. Cause at that point she's like, fuck the mission. Like I want my man, but he makes that sacrifice and that's really hard for her, for all of them, but especially her. So. Well said. And this one comes from Jedi Jake. Agree or disagree? The series finale is the best episode in the entirety of Star Wars animation. Disagree.
01:54:48
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disagree even though it's really good disagree
01:54:52
Speaker
Yeah, again, it hurts to say disagree because it's an amazing episode and it's one of the best just finales in general. But obviously I have rebels episodes that I like better or I think are better. So I would even agree that there are better Star Wars rebels episodes. But I also like I will call something the best, even if it's sad as hell and makes me depressed afterwards, like
01:55:23
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It'll it could still make me feel something and this episode does make me feel something I just don't think it's the best in all of animation and I could get into the Clone Wars shit all day But I've done enough of that. Don't you think? Well, thank you guys so much for your takes this week We're so sorry for roasting the fuck out of them. We still love you and thank you for listening and we respect your opinion
01:55:50
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But thank you so much for listening to another episode of This is the Wayseekers, our longest episode yet, episode four, which I'm pretty sure at this point is over two hours now, so amazing. Thank you for listening to this extra long episode of This is the Wayseekers. It's an interesting time, like we've said before, we're not going to be covering the Ahsoka series coming up. And so
01:56:15
Speaker
It's a it's a little tricky to figure out what we're talking about here But we did just recently find out that we're able to talk about star wars animation on top of video games comics and books which we were doing before but now we can talk about animated series like the bad batch and resistance and the clone wars and I'm forgetting some i'm pretty sure but we still love those series Uh, but before we go
01:56:41
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01:57:03
Speaker
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01:57:31
Speaker
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