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Baymax! Disney Plus Miniseries Reaction
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Zuhair, Andrew and J Scotty discuss and react to all 6 shorts of the Big Hero 6 spinoff miniseries, Baymax!, now streaming on Disney Plus.
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Introduction to Animation Deliberation Podcast
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Preview of Disney Plus Miniseries: Baymax
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Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. Yeah.
Meet the Hosts: Jay Scottie, Zuhara, and Andrew
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Welcome back to Animation Deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. I am one of your hosts, Jay Scottie St.
Big Hero 6: From Marvel to Disney
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Clair. I'm Zuhara Lee.
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And I am Andrew Rogers. Well, guys.
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It's another exciting day here at the Animation Deliberation Studios. Studios? When did we get a brand? We're doing this virtually, but you know, gotta sell it to the listeners here. But no, you guys covered Big Hero 6 recently in preparation for this series. I wasn't present for that conversation, but I really liked that movie. It's kind of interesting that it's like one of the, it's actually, it's the first like Marvel Comics
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purely Disney adaptation. Obviously, there's the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but this is where they took a Marvel character and did what Disney does best with Disney animation, just did their own spin on it. I really enjoyed it and was looking forward to the series, but the series was not what I expected in a lot of ways. What did you guys think?
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I think this series is what I expected, but it was kind of a roller coaster of being so excited to have Baymax back on screen after eight years to finding out that it's just a mini series and like hardly 10 minutes per episode to just absolutely loving every episode. Like I had a, I don't know if I read it somewhere, if I just had
Expectations for Baymax Miniseries
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a feeling that it would be more about Baymax and his
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a protocol of just helping people. So the premise of it wasn't a surprise to me and I enjoyed every bit of it. It was just the fact that they were so short and came out altogether that made me stunned a little bit.
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Yeah, I guess I was expecting something longer for sure. And I agree with you. I was almost let down because we have our group chat outside of this and I put in there. Oh, they dropped all the episodes. Like we were expecting to do this over the next couple of weeks. So I didn't know quite what was going on when they said they dropped them all at once. But it kind of felt more like a movie at that point.
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And especially the way that they brought it all together at the end. It was just this, it was this nice arc of like, it felt like a Disney Channel movie. You had an hour where you just got to go on little misadventures with Baymax. It was great. It was emotional. It reminds me of the great Avatar the Last Airbender episode where they all had their little side quests and then came together at the end to find Appa like it was that same level.
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of, yeah, let's do this all together, guys. And I really ended up liking it. Not necessarily to the degree of big hero six. I would have liked a little bit more of our cast of characters along with
Baymax's Anthology Style
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Baymax. But Baymax is lovable and amazing. And like, how could we not have that fun out of him in all of these episodes? So I don't see any more. I was thinking more of the what if template. I did also get the what if vibes for sure with less confusion.
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Yeah, I think that's a fair comparison. It definitely had an anthology feel to it where it was very much fitting a certain mold. You have Baymax encounter
Healthcare Hero: Baymax's Compassionate Role
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a quote unquote patient. They're very resistant to his assistance and then just his continued pursuit of them, they eventually let go and let him deliver the
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care that he's trying to provide, but as much as I was surprised, I wouldn't really say I was let down. I was just pleasantly surprised and delighted because I think it holds to the high standard that Big Hero 6 set in terms of quality and heart, but it definitely eschews those high-flying heroics in place for what Baymax was always intended to do, and he's basically the ultimate
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healthcare provider and caretaker. And so in that way, I thought it actually harkened back to a lot of cartoons of yesteryear, like Looney Tunes or even like Tom and Jerry, where it's obviously not super violence like some of those were, but it is very much like Baymax
Animation Quality in Baymax Series
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does the same thing in every single episode except for the last one.
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Yeah, I just I really ended up enjoying it Yeah, I like that analysis and you talk about quality and before we even get into the actual story of all this I just want to say I Was amazed at the animation quality so many times when you get a TV show based off of a movie They kind of hand it to what feels like a secondary animation studio and they're still doing a very good job But there's usually a stylization difference or some degree of difference you can pick up on and
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Everything gets so much flatter. Yeah, you get all those flat 2D things going on and I don't know if that's because they're using a more modern 3D approach, but it felt like you were watching the movie. It was such a high quality of animation. All of the way that the characters were moving was flawless and fluid. Baymax still had that chunky robotic blubberiness to him and it was just...
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It was great all the way around, not even considering the story, just on the animation. And also music side, they played a lot with the music and it was good. Just talking about that quality before we start to dig into each episode, I was absolutely blown away. No Fall Out Boy this time. Oh, see, I didn't rewatch the movie. I did Fall Out Boy feature heavily in the original movie. Oh, Immortals was the theme song of the movie. Oh, OK. OK.
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which is arguably more popular than the movie back in 2014 when it came out. Interesting, interesting.
Original Voice Cast Returns
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I had my fun in the sun with Fall Out Boy once upon a time, but I haven't listened to them in forever. I'll have to go back and listen to that track. But speaking to the film-level quality, I did read a little excerpt where apparently they reused some of the animation rigs and models that they used in Big Hero 6, but they obviously had to
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update them for the modern technology and kind of go through with like a fine tooth comb and make sure there weren't any glitches or errors. But on the other side of things, you spoke about the music, but I think a big part of what helped sell this is actually existing at the same level of quality and feel just like Big Hero 6 was the fact that they brought back
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significant members of the voice cast. You had Ryan Potter voicing Hiro Hamada, Maya Rudolph coming back as Aunt Cass, and of course Scott Adsit as Baymax. And I don't know if I've ever seen, I don't know if I've seen Scott Adsit in anything outside of his role as Baymax. And then why am I forgetting the sitcom with Liz Lemon?
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Tina Fey. Was that 30 Rock? 30 Rock, thank you. I don't know why I couldn't think. I was thinking like Hard Rock Cafe. I was like, it involves a number, but it's not Brooklyn Nine-Nine. 30 Rock, yeah. That's the only other thing I think I've ever seen him in, but he's got a talent for voicing a lovable and endearing character. Yeah, the funny thing about Ryan Potter is obviously this is eight years later. So having that deep voice on a person who has an age in that time was pretty funny.
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I thought that it'd at least make Hero seem a little bit older to kind of like blend that a little bit because clearly it's been some time but nope they made their choice.
Ryan Potter's Diverse Roles
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In regards to Scott though like I love how he actually had like this Siri voice when it came into like filling in like
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a diagnosis or a body part is like you have pain in your foot. It just kind of like the drop off in the tone, like it's filling in the blank. He did such a good job at like, you know, being the voice assistant. And while you bring up Ryan Potter, I know you're a big like DC fan in general, but Titans in particular, I didn't know he was
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He's Beast Boy on Titans. Did you make that call out? He's one of those that's walked in both worlds. This is obviously a Marvel Disney property, but he's done a lot in the DC side of things too. I think once upon a time he actually campaigned to be the Robin, like Tim Drake Robin for Ben Affleck's Batman. He submitted a whole stunt reel and sent it directly to Ben Affleck and said, please make me your Robin.
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really interesting i knew he was beast boy but i had no idea about that and yeah you know say what you will about titans and those shows writing i think he does a good job as beast boy just in an acting capacity he's got a phenomenal way that he emotes and kind of works so happy to get him in both of these worlds but honestly up until like three minutes ago i didn't know this was marvel uh property
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I knew that Marvel had helped them develop this movie, but I thought that was the extent of it. Like this was a totally whole cloth original character. I had no idea that this was actually like Marvel made.
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Baymax and hero first, and then they adapted it into this film. I am kind of blown away by that now that we're getting that information.
Disney's Family-Friendly Take on Big Hero 6
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And we did not talk about this in the movie cast. Yeah. And you know, like how a Disney movie is like they take a really dark story and they add like that Disney effect just to know things like Pocahontas, for example. Apparently, Big Hero 6 was one of those comics where it was like this has some like raunchy material in it. And they were just like, let's just add the Disney effect to it.
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Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Well, before we get into the show, I'll ask you, Jay, Scotty, is there anything else you want to talk about movie wise, since you weren't here when we talked the movie the first time off the top of my head? No, I don't think so. But I appreciate the the query.
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Yeah, you know, we got to make sure because it was just chaos that evening as we were trying to figure out how and what we were going to record for. So I think I would answer, but yeah, then let's jump into the show. Right on. So did you guys have like a particular favorite episode? Because like, as I kind of mentioned at the top, I feel like all five, there were six episodes in total, but the final episode was definitely kind of a deviation a lot of ways, but the rest of them really
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fit this kind of mold where you're presented with the patient, they get injured, and then Baymax comes to the rescue. They're very resistant initially, but Baymax with his unrelenting care and unflappable charm eventually wears them down and delivers the care that he's supposed to. I have my two personal favorites, but I'm curious to hear what you guys, if you're leaning in any direction.
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First off, I'm going to say is that I love his lack of boundaries. He's like, I will treat you and you will like it. And when he did approach, um, I don't know if it's Yachi or Yaki.
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the cat, I was expecting him to like meow because there was like a template going off of it. It was actually just going off of the headphone which hilarious. But my favorite episode was definitely the one with cast because that's the most relatable with what I'm going through right now. I just just like American nature of like needing to work through the pain because you have to work and you have to business and you have to like make sure your customers are happy and this and that.
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And I've had a rotator cuff issues all year, but I haven't taken like a single rest day, which is why my physical therapy has been damn near six months now. So between that and cortisone shots and not, I literally couldn't move my arm for four or five months. To see Cass go through that and just
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have a hard time.
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picking a favorite as we talk about it. Honestly, two, three, four are just a solid. Those three really were where I feel like it hit its stride. I was totally on board with what was going on and that was it for me. If I had to pick, it might be two because Kiko was just so adamant about not
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being in the pool and then Baymax like totally going full circle on her because you talk about the lack of boundaries I don't know how charming Baymax actually was as opposed to creepy in some of these corners and turning his head around I was like yeah what's going on yeah the town was definitely horror episode oh yeah
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Yeah, no, that's the perfect transition because I was kind of going to kind of work backwards. But yeah, the cat, yachi, yaki, whatever we want to call it, that was definitely one of my favorite episodes. And like, when he was pursuing the cat into the warehouse, I started to think and I think, you know, just the way the episode
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or the
Baymax as a Horror Character?
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short presented itself, my mind immediately started to go to, what if they actually did a horror take on Baymax? And I'm imagining a live action Baymax. He could really be a horror character akin to Michael Myers or Jason Voorhees. He's just so unrelenting. And then the episode played right into that because the air pod that was in the cat's throat started mentioning about this
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horror monster feature. So I had a genuine moment of laughing out loud and kind of guffawing at that, that the episode played with my emotions that well. I was laughing as well because I remember I was really trying, so I shared the story about how me and my mom were just like geeking over this the first time we saw the teaser trailer, but there was one time we were having dinner and
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my niece Soya, who was probably like, or at the time, she wanted to watch something while we're eating. So I was like, Oh, I'm going to get her into big hero six. So I put it on and like she got like really uncomfortable, like on the brink of tears and like everybody was loud and it was talking and she couldn't hear the TV. So she can like even understand the voices or anything like that. But then you're like, what's wrong? She was like, I'm scared of the white
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Monster and I'm like, really? No, no, no. It's not what you're supposed to get out of this because he's like an alleyways and following hero when chasing him around, please squeezing through the hole. So I'm just like that crap. She's never going to watch this now. And like three, four years later, she finally watched and liked it. So thank God she's actually a fan. I love watching these movies with her. Right. But we were talking about like this whole horror episode and I was like, I definitely witnessed a kid get terrified by him. So yeah, this makes sense.
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I guess that voice does a lot for the huggable exterior actually kind of working out, huh? Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, it is an interesting kind of.
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dichotomy there like he is like the most like huggable and couldn't hurt a fly and like all he wants to do is help people but yeah I described him as charming but he can be kind of creepy in a way with just that monotone voice and he really is like I can only describe him as unrelenting unflappable but unrelenting you're going to get the care that he wants to administer to you yeah he's got to be breaking some you know
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doctoral code somewhere along the way as he's pulling a needle out of his finger for uh in beta they're like you will get this injection now yeah for sure most people are afraid of needles it's like yeah but yeah he said that to himself as though he was like oh right that's a thing i should know i shouldn't scare him with my needle fingers like i'm downloading how to run a small business if only it was that easy buddy if only it was that easy
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The cool thing with him beat his episode is like this was the only really faction that we got to see like of him being a superhero Because when that when he was chasing the van and the van started going a little crazy and it was about to crash His ability to like throw him off and get in front of the car and stop it and I'm just like oh cool So you're training from all that is still like in your memory right now
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Yeah, I was impressed that he simultaneously prevented Embita from getting smashed up against the wall, but then also managed to get the fish truck to land right backside up on its wheels. That's pretty impressive. I was worried he's going to total that old thing.
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He couldn't. He needed that for the later episode so they could distract the guards. It had to come full circle. That's right. I get it. I'm impressed that he did it still. That's right. I'm impressed too. But speaking of being impressed, I will say the second episode I had in mind was a really interesting kind of viewing experience for me because I personally believe, and I'm just kind of surprised the episode hasn't come up yet, but I think it's almost deserving of an Emmy.
Sophia's Episode: Addressing Menstruation
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And it's the episode Sophia, where you have this young girl that's going to participate in a talent show and she experiences her first period. And when I was watching it, I was like, oh no, this is going to be awkward and uncomfortable to talk about because I'm not a teenage girl. I've never been a teenage girl. I've never experienced that. But I just, I loved how the show
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tackled it with such deft and just what Baymax, excuse me, what Baymax said. Lots of people feel uncomfortable about this, but it is just a perfectly natural biological function. And that's so true. It's just our society and our culture that has created the shame and the uncomfortability and the awkwardness around it. But I'm really hopeful that
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I was kind of concerned. I was like, I don't know what target audience they're going for. Maybe there's going to be some parents that don't want to show this particular episode to their young kids. But for those that do watch it, I'm really optimistic and hopeful that it can start a mature dialogue and there doesn't have to be this taboo around it. And it can really help young people come to terms with something that's been inappropriately kind of stigmatized, I will say.
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Yeah, and I personally have not had a chance to watch Turning Red, and I know this is part of the conversation in this other Disney piece of animation, but just as you looked at this, I couldn't agree more with you, Jay Scottie. They definitely handled this so much. They talked about how it was natural.
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they had a male character come in and literally, he didn't freak out. They made it Oh, yeah, this is how you would take care of this. Like, do I say congrats? Do I say that's good? No, that doesn't feel right. Like, had this understanding of what was going on tried to reassure but didn't make it weird didn't freak out. It was just so many good things. You talked about it being natural biologically. And then they also added in
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this whole other layer that I didn't see coming and it was just the general fear of growing up in a way that like this is a huge change for her because it feels like something has happened and suddenly this goes back to the conversation that has been going on at length over on the MCU cast. Zuhair has talked about this with Miss Marvel that the minute you have a character that you can
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see through the eyes of but feel represented by and, you know, suddenly identify with you understand them so much better. And that's what representation really should be is a better understanding of the situation. And the minute they turned it into this fear of growing up, how do you continue on when you have these things and Baymax comforting her and saying, you're 12, you're still a kid, you have your whole life ahead of you. I was suddenly relating to this character because we've all been scared of growing up. I
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have shared on this show, I'm going through a move right now. You don't think I'm terrified of moving out of my parents home for the first time? Like, sure, there was just so much of that. Holy crap, I get what's going on in this moment that again, should hopefully help to destigmatize what is going on with this girl getting her first period that yeah, it's something different than a man is going to go through. But the fact that I as a man could still relate to that moment was
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absolutely stunningly beautifully done and I think this needs to be viewed through an amazing lens going forward and used to again help garner this as a better conversation because I was a little scared going in or when that episode started I was like okay how do three men talk about exactly exactly when the episode concluded I was like okay we have something because this conversation is a thousand times easier they made it better
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Yeah, we were talking about that before we started recording about like, how are three minutes to talk about this? And my response to you was that like, we're still allowed to have opinions on things. We're still allowed to have perceptions on things. Sure. And how far it goes and how far people want to listen is one thing. But like, what if we're dads one day? Like, I have a little sister, I have nieces. Well, like, God forbid, there's a situation I become a single dad one day.
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This is something that I watch as a single dude that could be information and could be...
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manner of explaining to a young woman one day. Like if, if it takes a 10 minute episode to let me experience a feeling of empathy that I could pass on to somebody struggling down the future, maybe somebody who is uncomfortable talking to their parents, maybe somebody who is like, you're all grown now, like screw all of your childhood stuff. Like as a 29 year old who loves everything that he had as a child and all that, like,
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These experience help us understand other people. And unless we speak our opinions and openly talk about how we perceive things, we're never going to find the actual understanding of what these people go through. So if this is just a little peek into the lens, we have to speak what we're getting out of this so that we get the information to make sure that we're perceiving things accurately in the big picture.
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So this type of dialogue, the stuff that Ms. Marvel is doing, the stuff that we got to see in Young Justice, all of that is crucial to lessening ignorance. These are the messages and these are the conversations that we need to have with other people. And these shows are providing the opportunities to give us the dialogue to start those conversations to understand.
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Yes, and you bring up it being a start of a conversation. I think that was a really good point that the Baymax did not explain. Here's what menstruating is. Here's what a period is. So if there is the video, he did. But if there is a young boy or girl out there that watches this show.
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they're going to have to turn to their parents and allow their parents to explain this to them and have to again, open the doorway for that conversation. So it was just hidden in such beauty. And then I also want to circle back to my other point in this episode where I paused and was fist pumping and just like this is done so beautifully. You talked about possibly being a father zoo hair was the scene of Baymax in the grocery store.
Diverse Voices in the Grocery Store Scene
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that he had all of these people around him that were offering their preferences their advice they were trying to be nice and you know say I prefer this tampon or this pad but then not only was it all women there
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There was a trans woman in the crowd that also offered the advice to remind that there are all people from walks of life having preferences with tampons, pads, and periods. And then a father was also in the background and said, oh, this is what my daughter used. He wasn't scared to be in the aisle. He was willing to help out what was potentially another father in Baymax. Like obviously Baymax doesn't have a gender or anything.
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But they still were like, this could be apparent. This is someone that needs help getting this information. How do we help doing that? And it was just another great, like, all of these people are here, all of these people have this knowledge, all of these people have these experiences. And just, again, it's not even about representation as much as showing how this really goes that I absolutely loved how they did that.
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And not to take away from the serious part, but I have to ask the question, where is Baymax getting all this money? Because he I wondered, yeah, I wondered the exact same. Like, did he steal this? What happened here? So my head does well that my head can for that, because I didn't want to think that hero just had like a maxed out credit card. I think that this program has evolved and developed enough through his time at the university that local
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Local EMTs have actually funded Baymax's tasking, which is why he's actually surveying the city and stuff like that. So it's an experimental thing to be like, is this something that we could implement on a larger scale and they're in a trial phase right now? So there's actually funding for the materials that Baymax needs to operate. Could we get more than one Baymax? Are they going to fund a bunch and we get a TV show? I've winded Baymax.
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Bay Matrix? I don't know. Does that work? No, I buy that headcan and I think you guys brought up a lot of great points, but one of the ones that did stick out to me, like Andrew, you said it's... I can't remember exactly what you said, but you were kind of referring to that representation, but kind of how it wasn't all about representation, but it did bring me back to what Zuhair brought up about
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it's one of those ways that we can connect to people outside of our walks of life a little bit more by experiencing this empathy for them. And I think it just really goes to show that how far
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Hollywood has come as much as it has these failings and these trappings. I think we're seeing writers from different backgrounds, creators from different backgrounds, really getting to lend their perspective and their voice and telling these stories that we haven't seen in the limelight a lot more. And I'm all for it. And I'm really appreciative for it and super grateful for it. And especially when it's done.
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with this kind of touch. It's as informative as it is entertaining, which I really appreciate.
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Yeah, and I'm just going to transition as we talk about this natural representation to the Embita episode. I loved how good that was done. It was awkward flirting in this way that it felt natural. You're like, I've met a person that I want to talk to because they're cute. And I'm going to say something weird. Didn't matter who the person receiving it was or who was saying it. It was just this
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beautiful show of how he could be and I almost kind of want to see another episode or miniseries where Baymax is just like a matchmaker and he has to try and fix relationships because him trying to be a wingman was just so So funny to that whole and be the thing and I
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He was maybe my favorite character as much as I talked about how he go was pushing back and it was funny I think in beta just had all of this like lovable charm to how hard he was working to try and carry on the parents dream and stuff Hmm. Yeah, I mean who among us has not said to a potential, you know Romantic interest and to ye. I know I have I know I have I'm gonna start saying it more. I mean, that's what I want to do
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But did we also like, because at the end of the episode, I was like, he didn't find a substitute for the fish. What is he gonna do? Did we like his solution that we got in the final episode? Or did neither of us pick up? Was he working on, it was kimchi and stir fry? That sounded delicious. It was a braised short rib kimchi stir fry. Yes, please. But his bus was now named the smorgasbuss.
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nice pictures of tacos and pictures of fruits and pictures of lemons so they I'm guessing he just said I can't make anything anymore so I'm gonna make everything so yeah I was just struggling to pronounce the word I had no idea what it said
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I was guessing it was based off, like, smorgasbord. Oh, yeah, for sure. A smorgasbord is generally an amalgamation of food that you just kind of throw together on a board to feed people. And I've never heard that word before. So no, I did not make that connection. There we go. Word of the day, smorgasbord.
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Yeah, here's a quick aside, I've used smorgasbord a lot in my life and I'll never forget the first time I encountered it and it was with the book Charlotte's Web. But Charlotte's Web has an awesome animated adaptation from
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way back I think I want to say like the 70s but the rat character of Templeton has this whole musical number where he talks about a fair is a smorgasbord and I've been using smorgasbord ever since then I think I saw that is really like second third grade maybe a great one I'm not trying to get too nitpicky but I this is one of those like how people say nip it in the butt instead of nip it in the bud for like it being the saying after a rose it's smorgasbord
00:30:44
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not smorgasbord it's been one of those because it's german no one actually knows but yeah it is defined as a buffet offering of a variety of hot cold meals and order i appreciate the correction good to know i will use it correctly sorry scandinavian not german scandinavian i trust scandinavians would know you're scandinavian please write in at
00:31:09
Speaker
No, send your voice in because us reading it doesn't help us at all. Yes, because I would honestly not be surprised if we're all pronouncing it wrong. And there is a proper pronunciation to the word. So I couldn't even read the word. So I have something to say about Kiko. Go for it. Yeah, let's jump in. She needs to take that white lotus headband off because she's not bending her hips. She's not bending any elements.
00:31:39
Speaker
I understood that reference. I got that one. The second she put that on, I was like, that makes sense. She's old. She could be wet lotus. Oh, no, no, we need we need to work on those waterbending skills, ma'am.
00:31:52
Speaker
Well, hang on, hang on. The White Lotus was not only benders, she could be a martial arts- We're not getting into specifics, go with the joke and move on. I'm going for it. Because that was another, actually no, because I do want to talk about her quote unquote martial arts skills. That was the scene where I was like Baymax is terrifying when she threw the needle and he caught it out of the air and turned like, oh, this is what you're trying? She did better than Kamala did, that's all I'll say.
00:32:22
Speaker
Oh, I don't know if you're referencing the latest episode, but I haven't seen it yet. That's why that's all I'm saying. But yeah, I was not prepared after how fun and jovial the cast episode was. I was not prepared for an emotional episode in the second one that the reason she was afraid of the water was not that she couldn't swim like I was expecting it to be. Mm hmm. It was just another great relation, like it doesn't matter how young I am compared to this person.
00:32:53
Speaker
You got to jump in. You got to do the things well you can. You never know when it's going to be there. So just like go do everything.
Kiko's Emotional Journey
00:32:59
Speaker
And I I love good messages like this that don't make me feel like a kid's TV show. It's like I know all of us growing up, it was hit you over the head with the bat that was, you know, sharing is caring. And they're finding so many more creative ways to, you know, write this into a show that I just I love it. It's great.
00:33:17
Speaker
So first off, I think that Cassis definitely was emotional. Probably just thought I had assumed a bunch. But for Kikos, they didn't really elaborate, and I understand why, but I'm wondering, did he pass away and she just misses him, or did something happen in the pool when he was swimming? I interpreted it as the former. He loved this community pool so much, and she lost him, and it was just associating the pool with the memory of him. Okay.
00:33:45
Speaker
Yeah, I'm in the same camp that like, I think it would have been a whole other conversation of don't go into the pool if something happened in the pool. I think it was just much more of a, he loved it here. How can I do this without him, especially when like I wouldn't go in the pool with him now that he's gone, it feels even worse. Yeah, right. Yeah.
00:34:05
Speaker
As heartfelt as it all is I did appreciate the way they kind of did that reveal like we as the viewer very much believe that she did just like Baymax had this belief that she had a fear she had water phobia aquaphobia and It set up one of like my favorite jokes when he set up the little kiddie pool right outside her porch
00:34:23
Speaker
You've taken your first steps into conquering your fear of water. First steps right into a pool. That's great. Brilliant. Yeah, all about it. That whole montage was so funny. The hose getting sprayed through the window and she couldn't close it. Oh, I like, I verbally jumped it out and I was like, oh! And it looked like that was his expression too, like, I messed up.
00:34:47
Speaker
Yeah, but Zuhair you brought up the CAS episode and the emotion there too. And as I recall, the big emotional payoff for that one was CAS having this fear about having Baymax step in or even like closing the cafe for a period of time would impede her ability to care for her family, but also she's just so invested in her customers. So the fact that the cats, I think the cat's name is Mochi was like running around with the GoPro and then got to like
00:35:17
Speaker
have this firsthand account of like all her customers telling her, you know, it's fine. Baymax is doing great. You take the time you need and just heal. We're not going anywhere. And I love that moment and it really had the emotional resonance, but on the subject of mochi and I even think about it with Yaki or Yachi, whatever we're deciding on the pronunciation is there.
00:35:39
Speaker
If I had one negative about the series at all, and it's very nitpicky, and I imagine the visual continuity is the statement in the movie, but as much as I know Disney has to humanize animal creatures as much to convey that emotion, I did not like the way the cat eyes were animated. They were too human for me.
00:35:59
Speaker
being a cat person and spending a lot of time around cats, it's just weird to see round pupils and irises in cat eyes. That's my one complaint, and I'll get off my soapbox now. Yeah, I got nothing for that. I'm allergic to cats, so I stay away from them. So if you need to humanize it for me to not want to sneeze just watching on TV, then sure. It worked for me. I just loved how round Mochi was. That's all I was looking at is how this
00:36:29
Speaker
chonk cat was moving around this apartment it was great but I'm curious I only caught it in like two or three of the episodes was Yaki in all of the episodes
00:36:43
Speaker
Ooh, I wasn't looking the first time but I know Yaki was in the first episode outside of the cafe. He was eating or they I don't know if we ever got a gender because I believe that's a standardly jet female Japanese name. So okay, seriously resist Baymax's efforts to relieve him of uncomfortable intrusion. There we are. Okay.
00:37:03
Speaker
So he was also eating out of the trash can at the farmer's market in the BETA episode. OK. And then obviously five and six were about him. So I'm just curious, was he also hiding somewhere in episode two and three? I was curious if you caught him anywhere in those.
00:37:21
Speaker
I didn't catch him, but I have to go back and do a rewatch now, because I'm sure he's somewhere in the background. He has to be. Because I almost knew the cat was going to play a part when he was in more than one episode. And even at the end of the first one, when he showed up, I was like, this cat's going to be important. I don't know how. They showed this cat for a reason. Sure. Yeah, I can't say I noticed him at all, but I also fell asleep after the third episode. He had exhausted my job as something else, dude.
00:37:48
Speaker
Well, you did watch them all, right? We're not just, okay, good. Scan complete. You are suffering from heat exhaustion. You need to go to a cooler area and hydrate. I could have told them that. And as we laugh about robots, I was getting some serious bumblebee vibes out of Yaqui when the headphone was stuck in history.
00:38:11
Speaker
All I could think of was the original Michael Bay Transformers movie and the way that Bumblebee had to talk with the radio and the cat was opening its mouth and having this dialogue coming.
Yaki the Cat's Musical Mishap
00:38:21
Speaker
I was like, I miss those movies. Those were so much fun. First, I want to say like what next gen model of AirPods did that dude have that had such a range? And then I loved his taste of music at the beginning, but man, he has a very diverse shuffle. He does. He does.
00:38:39
Speaker
Rain and I do too, but it was just funny to see. Yeah, agreed. I guess I had a moment of consideration too. I was like, what's the battery life on these things or the range, but I- Of course, it coincidentally dies once it comes out. Right, right. It was the electricity inside the cat as it moved because, you know, there's energy always going- From all the purring and- Yeah.
00:39:05
Speaker
Well, on the subject of needing electricity to keep going, do we want to talk about this final episode where Baymax ran out of power in the warehouse and then after spending all this time giving care to others and being the caregiver, he gets to be the patient and everyone gets to unite to rescue and take care of Baymax for a change? I'm going to say this is my one nitpick of the series here. Okay.
00:39:32
Speaker
The plot device of Baymax being out of commission was him dying, because that was a crucial plot point in the movie of Hiro saying, I should replace him with a better battery so he doesn't die as quickly,
Battery Dying: Plot Device Analysis
00:39:46
Speaker
and then went through this whole trial and tribulation of getting a dying Baymax home, wherein he lasted a really long time in the drunken state. And the fact that this Baymax just keeled over almost immediately while trying to get to the plug,
00:40:02
Speaker
I feel like Hero would have engineered, hey, when you get to 25% power, plug yourself in so we don't have to deal with this. That was my only nitpick in my head of like, he's a smarter technical guy than to let this happen more than once. It was fine, everything else, but I was like, Hero wouldn't let this happen. He has a better plan. He would come home at like a certain percentage. Something along those lines was running through my head the whole time, but I think Zuhair's gonna call me out.
00:40:28
Speaker
So my headcanon for that was that he did have that feature, but he kept snoozing it because he hadn't helped his patient yet. Interesting. I think it's a fair criticism and that it's just one of the benefits or maybe not much of a benefit because it may have detracted from your enjoyment ever so slightly, but having watched the movie so recently because I hadn't, that's one of the things I had kind of forgotten, but I'll buy Zuhair's headcanon, but I also
00:40:55
Speaker
for my own headcanon I'll say because Yachi or Yaki had scratched him up so much and he had to like apply all those bandages it was an extra sap of his power because he lost a lot of air. And this just comes to me being the technical person like I know if I designed this robot that would be a thing so my mind is suddenly like no no no he's smarter than
00:41:18
Speaker
than this. He's way smarter than me and I figured it out. And that's, I think, the only thing running in my head when I see stuff like this. But no, it didn't take away from my enjoyment. I, as we've talked about thoroughly enjoyed that was just my one. I gotta say it for all of the technical people out there. I thought about design bay. Fair enough.
00:41:38
Speaker
The only other thought I had along those lines, and I didn't really even chalk it up to a criticism, it was just a fleeting thought I had during the episode, is they had this map that showed everywhere that Baymax had been in the last couple of days. And it was a great little visual gag where a hero was like, we need to get out more. But my first thought was, why wouldn't you immediately look at the last place he was instead of having to have Kiko
00:42:06
Speaker
use the cat as like lassie like let's follow this cat to where baymax is but yeah well i think i think he even actually explained that away and he said oh that's a pretty wide search area because i think it was like he was in this general range so then their plan was well we need other people to help us look there let's go to his recent patients and see if he said he was going a place or they saw him do something or whatever i think that was their kind of
00:42:33
Speaker
way to explain away why he couldn't just go right to that location because it wasn't exact. And you also saw that he like, he like moved around without his transport a lot too. So like maybe the GPS was in the transport. Okay, because he strayed away from it so much. That's like you found that general location. But then it was like, Okay, where is he in relation to this?
00:42:56
Speaker
Yeah, because now that you say that the GPS was pretty much only along streets and he did that whole roundabout fight we talked about where he was riding on top of the truck in the Ambita episode that didn't show up anywhere on the GPS. So I kind of love the head cannon that the GPS is in the transport armor. Yeah, it works for me. I guess I can today.
00:43:22
Speaker
Yeah, you're on fire. My favorite thing about the episode though is like after, you know, seeing all these characters as patients, they really got to, we got moments of their character and what their strengths were and getting to see those all put on display to accomplish a goal and save Baymax. And they even called them like little hero six at the end where he has the.
00:43:44
Speaker
moment of not quite getting it with, oh, that's ironic because there's a big Hero 6. Yep, that's the joke, Baymax, that's the joke. But in particular, Sophia getting to use her yoyo skills, because when we were talking about that episode, we didn't talk about how awesome that yoyo choreography was. Again, I'm impressed and getting to see her use it as a skill set was pretty cool. And then with Yachi, right when you think he's abandoning Kiko,
00:44:12
Speaker
and saving his own skin. Boom, there he is on the top of the roof, playing it up cute, and effectively saving Kiko and Baymax. I love that guy that was like, we can't blow it up. I'm a cat person. I was thinking to myself, if you weren't a cat person, were you hitting the button? What does that mean? Here's the thing. Before they said that it was a robot, they said, my friend is in there. And that wasn't enough to stop the demolition.
00:44:42
Speaker
Yeah. This guy just really likes cats. Well, he said something to the extent like when he did find out it was a robot, he was like, oh, keep better track of your play things. We don't have time to go in for a toy or something like that, right? Something along the lines. Which like, just show him a picture. Be like, this is not a toy. This is a human sized robot. Right.
00:45:05
Speaker
But no, it was a great culmination and I didn't know how it was going to be solved, which is always a great way to do this, because I thought Gekko was done for for a moment. I was like, oh, no, either that or Baymax was going to like come to life and wrap his arms around them or something. But I didn't know if I could handle another Baymax fake out death, like watching the movie so recently once was enough for sure. Because that I will say that was something we didn't talk about in the movie podcast.
00:45:32
Speaker
Had this series not been the reason I watched that movie, I assumed Baymax was gone at the end of that film. And I was just like, okay, now that I know there's a TV show coming, how is he coming back? What's happening? And then to get the reveal that he like put his memory in the glove was awesome. But like, man, they know how to throw around a character like that, that really hits you in the feels for being a robot.
00:46:00
Speaker
Maybe if you watched the movie eight years ago, you wouldn't have had that problem. I came up here all proud that you got me to watch the movie. Don't make me take your credentials back, sir. Yeah. Slight spoilers for Guardians of the Galaxy. It just makes me think that 2014 was the year of like fake out sacrificial savior deaths from extremely cute and caring characters. I mean, Frozen type of thing to do.
00:46:31
Speaker
Well, I was trying to avoid that spoiler outright, but they still brought him back. No, that's like his offspring. Yeah, they have, I believe James Gunn has confirmed that Baby Groot is a new Groot, is not a smaller version of Big Groot. They still have the character of Groot. So it sues the loss, but yeah, fair enough. Okay. They're trying to find a way to get a sit on me James Gunn joke into this, but I couldn't quite get there.
00:47:01
Speaker
Have neither of you watched the Harley Quinn season three trailer? No. Well, everyone go watch the Harley Quinn season three trailer. Spoilers, I guess James Gunn is in the trailer. Oh, wow. OK. So well, I mean, I don't need a question or dialogue anymore because the wording. What? And I didn't want to ask because I just didn't. Yeah, now it makes perfect sense and I get it.
00:47:25
Speaker
Well, I for one need to watch that trailer, but that's it's a great point to bring up and sorry that we missed out on the joke. But yeah, if we're done talking about Baymax, let's spend the last little bit of the episode here talking about the future and things coming up. We did get the release date for Harley Quinn season three. The information that I have here is that we're going to get the first three episodes dropping on HBO Max, July 28th.
00:47:51
Speaker
at least they announced it to us this time that it's the first three episodes, unlike Young Justice just appearing that way and we weren't prepared for it. Yeah, so that's gonna happen and then I think the next couple weeks are probably gonna be pretty fluid with possible Harley Quinn coverage or other things because, like we said, we were planning on covering Baymax for six consecutive weeks. So now we have some other stuff that we're just gonna
00:48:19
Speaker
Figure out how to throw in because we also have the comics that were released for free on DC Universe infinite that are canon to the TV show so that might be something else we kind of consider talking about but Yeah, we're kind of spit. We also have like our We have our two interviews coming up as well. So even though like we're not covering something on a weekly basis July is pretty busy with content
00:48:45
Speaker
Yeah, we should probably say because when we posted the podcast yesterday, we were all excited for an interview happening on Tuesday with the concertmaster of the Bob's Burgers movie. That interview has since been pushed back to was it July 26th? Or when did we push that back? Or did we not decide on a new date yet? We haven't
00:49:13
Speaker
Man, I got so many emails from so many of these marketing people that Just keep an eye on the social media. You'll know when it's up, but have your questions ready Yeah, and we did tease the other interview that I guess we should now not tease and actually say we are going to be having an interview with Zach Brack is it? Yes. Okay. I didn't know if it was Brack or how to pronounce that they are
00:49:41
Speaker
a the first openly trans actor, singer and writer of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. They were in Spider-Man Far From Home, and they are also on a new animated horror comedy adventure series Dead End Paranormal Park with Emily Osment and Clinton Liu. So they have a pretty impressive resume, all things considered, and that's going to just be an amazing
00:50:05
Speaker
interview for us to get to do. And that's coming up this Thursday, the seventh is when that interview is going to be happening. I'm not most likely not going to be a part of that. So it's just going to be my two co hosts. So you're going to hear some questions that I write in. And if you have any questions that you guys want to write in, please, please send those to us. We're always happy to put them into our consideration book for what these interviews are going to look like. Indeed. Indeed. Yeah.
00:50:34
Speaker
So yeah, please stay tuned for that interview. The interview with the film composer we were mentioning will be with Maxwell Kasser, or excuse me, Kamrazin. And stay tuned for the official date on that. I'm sure we will make that well-known on our social media as well as our upcoming podcast. But with that in mind, we will definitely cover Harley Quinn's season one and two. So if you've got feedback for that, animationdeliberationpodcast.gmail.com is a great place to send that stuff.
00:51:03
Speaker
And do we have anything else we need to let the people know about before we get out of here? Plugs? Uh, just in regard to plugs, I am hating a gauntlet of podcasts within these last 24 hours. I was doing the weekly check-in for Marvel Cinematic Universe podcasts to talk about Ms. Marvel. We are four episodes in and they have been a delight.
00:51:22
Speaker
Obviously, keep up with all the animation deliberation stuff. We just talked about everything, but I just feel like saying it again anyways. And lastly, 323 with Reed Murphy. We're doing a sports update over there. That episode is recording in an hour of the time that I am saying these words.
00:51:55
Speaker
One, I put all of our information up there and then when we talk about guest appearances, I try and also post those wherever I can or retweet if Jay Scottie says he's on this show, I'll retweet his tweet. So you can find kind of a culmination of all of our stuff on all of those besides just following us directly. And yeah, that's all I have currently going on. Jay Scottie, what about you? Yeah, I recently appeared on another episode of Benjers Assembled.
00:52:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's it for me.
00:52:25
Speaker
which is the podcast on the Stranded Panda Network that typically covers franchise films and geeky content. But this time around, we did a little bit of a one-off. We covered what has been my favorite film of the year so far, A24's Everything Everywhere All At Once, which is just an incredible film. I can only describe it as a masterpiece. Definitely recommend you watch it and then check out that podcast I was joined by.
00:52:49
Speaker
Matthew Carroll, as well as Captain Game Show himself, John Irons. And you've heard John's name on our podcast before because he submitted us feedback. And it's only a matter of time before we actually have him on an episode of Animation Deliberation forthright. So check that out wherever you get your podcasts. And that's it for me this week. So thanks again for listening and keep tuning in. That's T-W-O-N-I-N. Stay well.
00:53:15
Speaker
and to ye muscle muscle. Well done.
00:53:21
Speaker
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