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Love Insurance: Packers Backup QB Breakdown ft. @Steve_NFL
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What happens if Jordan Love goes down? 👀
In this episode of Ohana Packers Edition (OPE), we shift the focus to one of the most overlooked—but critical—positions on the roster: the backup quarterback.
We’re joined by @Steve_NFL to break down the Packers QB2 situation and what it means for the team heading into the season.
We cover:
- Who should be QB2 for the Packers
- Confidence level in the current backup options
- What the Packers typically look for in a backup QB
- Whether Green Bay should add a veteran or trust development
Plus, we answer YOUR listener questions and debate just how important the backup QB role really is in today’s NFL.
Because one injury can change everything… 🧀🔥
🎧 Tap in and find out.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:56
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ahana Packers edition podcast. Today we continue our pre-draft preview episodes. We go through quarterbacks with Steve F and Steve, I am leaving your last name as F because that's how you have it on Twitter. We'll let you dox yourself to your own heart's contents, but it will not be our fault. But Steve, thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us today.
00:01:21
Speaker
No, my pleasure. Thanks both of you for having me. Um, Good evening to you, Joe, and good afternoon, Mike, you know, about six or seven hours behind me. You know, unfortunately, I'd love to make this all back to the future and tell you something that's about to happen, but nothing works like that, you know, so.
00:01:42
Speaker
But thanks for having me. It's awesome. Well, you can be like that AI guy that seems to be taking over TikTok with a storm that claims he's a time traveler jumping to these different ah ah points in history and yeah, it's all AI. Yeah, Steve, it's great
Community Insights and Draft Season
00:02:01
Speaker
to have you on. We were kind of talking about this before recording that Jim Wickens, the draft professor, has really kind of built a community and it's been kind of nice to, when it comes draft season, to have that pool of draft guys to pull from and and get information from. Because, I mean, I'm reading stuff and the thing the in the the chat that it's like, wow, I don't think I could have found that anywhere else.
00:02:28
Speaker
I know. It's wild. Some, you know, the boots on the ground that some of these dudes have, it's pretty cool. And, you know, the fact that we could share it with each other and keep it on the down low where appropriate, you know, it's cool.
00:02:43
Speaker
Awesome. Awesome. So, um, what's it? So, as I said, we're doing quarterbacks today. Um, this is our final week of positional groups.
00:02:54
Speaker
Woo. Woo. Next week is our final draft or final mock draft before the actual draft, but this is our last positional group to break down.
Quarterback Roster and Backup Speculation
00:03:03
Speaker
That's right. It is the last weekend before the draft in Pittsburgh. But um as I mentioned, we have Steve on today to talk about quarterbacks, of Packers roster.
00:03:13
Speaker
So obviously the starting position, they are set at quarterback. They have Jordan Love returning, locked in for the next, I think it's four years on his current deal. I was forgetting what the structure is.
00:03:26
Speaker
um You know, he's a, you know, he's been knocking on the door of MVP contention the past couple years. And really the biggest thing for him has just been health the last two seasons. We've seen him take a leap in his game, in his play on the field the last couple seasons, and it's just a matter of staying consistent in his upward trajectory.
00:03:44
Speaker
it's the area It's the spots behind him on the roster that are a more of a mystery because Malik Willis, who the team traded for two seasons ago in the in the waning moments of preseason in 2024, went on to literal greener pastures signing a nice free agent deal in Miami following Jeff Halfley and John Eric Sullivan out down to South Beach and um the the Packers have for all intents and purposes they have no real answer at the backup position behind Jordan Love right now and that's what makes it kind of interesting because it you know it's
00:04:21
Speaker
open the door to um more trade speculation because it's like are they going to do what they did with willis you know how feasible is that but also um you know it it does bring up the like how important is the backup position you know all that but like i mentioned jordan has missed some games here and there the past few seasons and if the Packers were forced to go down that route, you know, if the roster stood as is, you would have the likes of Kyle McCord and Desmond Ritter waiting in the wings and, um, both, you know, had, had experience starting in college, but neither is a household name in the NFL. You know, you're a little more in the weeds of, um, um, a little more in the quote unquote hardcore college fandom to know who either is at this
Jets Fan Perspective and Quarterback Discussion
00:05:08
Speaker
point. But, um,
00:05:12
Speaker
Yeah, that's where the Packers roster stands right now. Joe, we said we wouldn't touch. to There's not really free agency talk. Did you want to do the trade talk ahead of time? or Well, I want to do kind of like we did with Destin last week.
00:05:26
Speaker
and And since Steve is an outsider, quote unquote, of of the Packer universe, just kind of get what his thoughts are of... where the Packers are sitting and with the quarterback room. So Steve, what do you think of the Packers quarterback situation right now? All right. So full disclosure, you know, I'm coming here as a New York Jet fan. So of course I'm going to infiltrate this space because I got to get my scouting done for when we trade for Jordan in about 10 or 12 years. Right. You know, it started with Brett Farr 2008 and then Aaron Rodgers in 2023. So we got to keep it going. This is really, you know, me getting in the wheat stuff. But um yeah, all kidding aside, you know, again, I'm a Jet fan. I listened to your quarterback room. I'm like, what are you worried about? um But yeah, Mike, you know, did a great job breaking it down. Obviously there's Jordan. You do have him.
00:06:25
Speaker
you know, ah under contract for a bunch of more years. um We know the the stats and and what he could bring and, you know, what he's been able to do. And I guess it's now, what, six years?
00:06:39
Speaker
You know, obviously the first three or four, you know, he was learning behind Aaron. And then, you know, behind him, You've got Desmond Reed who they picked up. I mean, I think he's on his sixth team, right? He was drafted in 2022
Jordan Love's Performance and Backup Needs
00:06:55
Speaker
for, technically second, according to his career stats, Falcons two years and then Raiders one.
00:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, well, but he's been on some practice quads and waivers and they drop them. But either way, he's been around right since Arthur Smith and Terry Fontenot drafted him back in 2022 out of Cincinnati.
00:07:17
Speaker
um You know, and he was I think, you know, he was not a name I was really following. um You know, we were in our second year with Zach Wilson. I wasn't really, you know, closely looking at the quarterbacks. And then, you know, he kind of lit it up at the senior bowl, started gaining a little more attention. So instead of watching Sauce Gardner on the defensive side of Cincinnati, started flipping over to the offensive side. um You know, I think he went a little bit higher than I thought he was going to go. I had him. down you know pretty much a fifth round grade uh i think if memory serves he may have gone third maybe fourth i don't remember third round yep and then um i guess i i don't know if re a ridder will be your two or mccord i'm presuming it'll be ridder but i actually really like mccord coming out um
00:08:09
Speaker
You know, he went later than I thought he would. i had had a pod with Benjamin Albright and we were thinking maybe third round to the Cleveland Browns. But anyway, he wound up going to Philly. It didn't work out there.
00:08:23
Speaker
um So, you know, I mean, I think if we go and we look at the history, of of Packer backups, you know, there's maybe a sense of comfort because are either of these guys, let's focus on Ritter, are either of these guys necessarily any better or worse than guys
Will Levis Rumors and Development Potential
00:08:43
Speaker
you've had in the past? I don't think so.
00:08:46
Speaker
um But there's certainly always area, you know, whether it's maybe a trade, I don't really see it. Or you look at you know, some of the names coming out. um that there might be opportunity for Goody and LaFleur to upgrade the room.
00:09:03
Speaker
Yeah. oh ah Ritter is the interesting one to me just because, you know, former third round pick, all that stuff. But there's He's sitting in the kind of the same boat that Malik Willis was. you know Came in as as as a, I don't want to say highly touted, I mean Malik was a little bit more highly touted, because there were talks of him going in the first round that year, but um you know kind of spoken about a little bit more and floundered, you know, really looked like ah wasn't going to do anything.
00:09:37
Speaker
But then LeFleur put him kind of through his his quarterback school. And now we're saying, man, I wish we had Malik Willis back to back up Jordan Love because that's the kind of player that we got out of Malik out of it. So Ritter kind of fits the boat a little bit more. I will say this. I don't know much about McCord other than A friend to show, J.J. Leahy, absolutely despises Kyle McCord for some reason.
Trade Strategies and Draft Picks
00:10:04
Speaker
and And I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind it. I've never really flat out asked him about it. But I just know any time... That's kind of like a curse word for J.J. So I don't know too much about him. But...
00:10:20
Speaker
ah And Mike will jump into it here in a second or we can just go ahead and go for it and now. Obviously there are a lot of rumors about what the Packers possibly could be doing. I mean they've been linked to Anthony Richardson.
00:10:37
Speaker
I think there was a little bit of rumors that they were linked to Justin Fields but I think Fields signed somewhere we actually traded him yeah we traded him to kansas city for you know that's you know a pack of barbecue or something i don't know what it was yeah um but they they've been linked to and that could just be recency bias with what they did with with malik uh there are some guys they have been linked with guys in the draft that we'll talk about here in a bit too but
00:11:10
Speaker
The one name, not wise, trade wise that I keep bringing up, and I know I get eye rolls from it, is Will Levis down in Tennessee.
00:11:21
Speaker
and the reason And I know people are saying, oh, well, Tennessee's not going to make that mistake again, whatever, you know. it The rumors are that he's out.
00:11:31
Speaker
they're they're goingnna The whole time during the draft, they're going to be shopping him. So whether they trade him, where they saw they they release him, whatever. And the reason why I keep bringing it up is the one key thing key thing that I kept seeing when when I was looking at quarterbacks in that draft was they kept comping him to Jordan Love.
00:11:55
Speaker
Well... If you've got it, and i honestly, I don't know, because I'll be honest, when 2020 came and they drafted Jordan Love, I was like, what the hell's going on here? i you know i I didn't do any research on first-round quarterbacks, so I didn't, because I was like, what you know i really doubt that's going to happen. But you know then smoke turned to fire, and and they they really love Jordan Love.
00:12:22
Speaker
Anyway, back to Levis. I've heard a lot of comps ah from, or not heard, but read a lot of comps about him being similar to Jordan Love in in play style.
00:12:34
Speaker
Well, if that's the case, what better what better way to do it than bring him into Green Bay, let him learn under Jordan, let him get coached up by the same coaches that other than Tom Clements, that coach Jordan Love and see what he can do. But, you know, there's there's a lot of links there. Mike, can you think of any other ones that the Packers have been linked to? Like I said, I know there was Richardson. I know there was Fields. There was just the tiniest little nod to Kyler Murray, but I don't think that was ever going to happen.
00:13:10
Speaker
um but I know there was a couple others. I just can't think of the names off the top of my head. no I think the big three, like like you said, I didn't really buy too much into the Murray talk. um The big three of like Richardson, Levis, and Fields, you know,
00:13:26
Speaker
Richardson and Levis, they fit the mold of the Willis deal where they've got like a couple years left. um They both... Well, technically, they both have a couple. Levis has a couple and then Richardson would technically be able to pick up the fifth-year option, which they wouldn't do because they're not paying that for ah for ah for ah um a ah quarterback like Richardson when, you know, he's been... He's had a lot of struggles as a pro and they're already paying Jordan Love. But... um What's... Like you talked about with Levis, yeah, there was a lot of comp between um Jordan and Levis coming when Levis came out of college because... Same sort of build, athletic for the position, big arm, accuracy and turnover questions, you know, and I joked that... um
00:14:19
Speaker
Goot and LaFleur showed they have a type at quarterback. And that's why my long-running joke was that DJ Uyunglele would be a Packer because he like fit the Packers' quarter. And you know people were like rolling their eyes. But I'm like, if you look at the guys they that those two have been linked to, um Drew Locke, Jordan Love, Will Levis, Uyunglele fit that mold too. He's a 6'4 and above guy, 220 and above guy who can move, run the ball some.
00:14:48
Speaker
and, um, who can move, run, and throw on the move, has a big arm as anyone, but has questions about his long-term accuracy and, um, you know, how good he's gonna be about taking care of the ball, but, um, yeah, like, it, it, and I don't think it would take much to get Livis, because the Titans, as they should be, are invested in Cam Ward's success and, um, his upward trajectory, and Levis, I don't wanna say he's...
00:15:22
Speaker
I don't i would't want to say he's a luxury, but um you know he's not getting any playing time there unless the worst happens to Ward. So, um very similar. you know He got taken around earlier than Willis did by, ironically, the Titans. But at the same time, you know it's sort of the same thing where they are again ready to move on and the Packers are potentially looking for options at that spot. But... you know Until there's any real movement or more any more smoke, I feel like a trade won't happen until after the draft because the Packers will have said, like hey, you know we didn't get the guy we didn't get the prospect we want. We're not pleased with what we've seen out of McCord and Ritter in training camp in preseason. Basically, it would be a repeat of the the deal that got them Willis where it's like, okay, um
00:16:18
Speaker
What's his face? um Why can't I think of ah Clifford? Clifford, thank you. Clifford just hasn't improved. um Pratt just disappointed as a rookie in training camp.
00:16:31
Speaker
And yeah, so just, you know, okay, our our plan A didn't work out, so it's time to... It's time to go to plan B, and plan B worked out well for all sides. you know um well I'll say for the Packers, both in terms of their return and Willis in terms of you know improving and continuing his career in the NFL. And in a weird way, you can say that it helped the Titans because they figured out that you know they' Levis wasn't gonna be it and they needed to find another solution and they lost their way into getting Cam Ward who does look like a legitimate NFL pro. So... um
00:17:10
Speaker
take that as the long way around to say, yeah, I can totally see them making a deal, but, you know, the the Richardson one, I don't see it because the cost is just going to be too high, and you have all the question with his eye, his shoulder, his, you know, like, I think it would be one thing if they could just sign him outright in free agency kind of thing, but because you'd have to trade for him, I think that complicates things, and and especially because, um what's it, um because Daniel Jones is coming off his Achilles tear. They have questions at the position. There's an outside chance Richardson is their starter the first at some point in the first month of the season. i just you know They're going to try and gain back some of the sunk cost or you know on their their return on investment. You don't think you're going to drag the corpse of Phillip Rivers back out again and let him go?
00:18:05
Speaker
He re-upped his ah NFL um insurance policy health insurance, and now it's a matter of um restarting his ah Hall of Fame clock. But it would be hilarious. I want to throw this out there real quick for the Titans.
00:18:20
Speaker
They also have somebody that both the Packer fans and Jet fans know a little bit, Mitch Trubisky. ah ah as the backup. And not that he's this tremendous quarterback or whatever, but he's going to at least give you a little bit more than what you would think Will Levis is going to get because he's going to have that veteran presence to help Cam Ward grow. And then I didn't realize this, but they have Hendon Hooker too, but Hendon Hooker's 28 years old. I didn't realize he was that old.
00:18:49
Speaker
um So I was thinking, oh yeah, they got Hinden Hooker to be that that that third string, you know, groom him in case something happens to Cam Ward, but there's no grooming that when Will live Levis has been in the league a year longer than him and he's two years younger. so so ah But with all that said, ah ah Steve, what what do you think about any potentials that the Packers could, that are out there the Packers could make an offer for?
00:19:17
Speaker
I like what Mike said about, you know, maybe, you know, putting some feelers out, but maybe not making any kind of decisions until after the draft. um You know, I don't really see not only for a sense of what Indianapolis would want in terms of draft capital, but, you know, I don't see a fit with LeFleur, you know, and what he likes to do. you know Yeah, Richardson, is there an arm there, but you know there's at least a little more accuracy with other guys that the pack have had, and I don't see that. I do think Levis is an intriguing thing. I mean i think you guys probably know that you know since 2019, when LeFleur got hired, he and Goody definitely have a type, right? you know They're not going to be looking at a Diego Pavia. Right. You know, they're, you know, they have their thing. And actually Malik was almost an outlier when you look at the height because, you know, other guys, six, two, six, three, six, four, you know, 200 something, you know, two 11 to two 25, you know, it was kind of like, you know, there's that meme that goes Packer, you know, pointing the finger, you know, and, know,
00:20:39
Speaker
So I think Levis is kind of intriguing. You know, certainly, you know, you look at he does have a strong arm. There is, you know, a decent amount of accuracy. um You know, the problem is the consistency. He is athletic.
00:20:55
Speaker
So, you know, he's certainly an intriguing option. You know, I think the thing is we saw a couple of years ago, you know, a lot of these 2021 guys, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, Trey Lance, you know, they were getting traded for, you know, pennies on the dollar. Right. I think it was pretty much a six round pick. So, you know, and then the only thing I would say about Levis, who didn't have as much starting experience as Mac Jones or Zach Wilson is remember, he's coming off. We don't know what the story is with that shoulder. I mean, we're assuming he's going to be able to continue his career.
00:21:35
Speaker
But I mean, have we seen the medicals? Have we heard anything? So, I mean, you know, if I'm Tennessee, you really want to get rid of this guy because clearly Trubisky is going to be your two, um you know, and like, you know, you guys said with Hooker, you know, I actually liked Hooker coming out of Tennessee, but, you know, it just,
00:21:58
Speaker
It is what it is, right? It happens. And you mentioned the age. But i would see if they'd be willing to take like, you know, a seven. I don't know, you know, offhand outside of not having the first. Your first pick is 52. I don't know what, you know, your array of picks looks like. But... you know, i make you' like a lot better for picks. There's yeah there's a lot of them. So if if they do what you guys are saying and wait until after the draft, that obviously will be the draft pool that they'll be pulling for the, yeah, they they've got a ton of picks at next year.
00:22:34
Speaker
Yep. And look, you know, I mean, so that's certainly one option, you know, I mean, yeah, It's it is a different group of people now in Tennessee. You know, it wasn't the same GM that traded Willis. Obviously, Bob Sala is there and Brian Dayball, you know, but Mike Borgonzi, you know, making the call. Now, who knows if he's going to stamp at it? Certainly an interesting option, but, you know, I'm sure we'll get to it. There there might be some intriguing, you know, day three. i Look, I don't think you're going to invest pick number 52 in a backup quarterback, right?
00:23:13
Speaker
you know i i i mean maybe i just jinxed it into existence but i think there could never know what the packers it's an hey you know maybe it's the color green or something we never know but i think i you know i think there will be some intriguing options that are that are going to be there i mean you know it's not exactly you know the the biggest uh wow quarterback class i mean you know fernando mendoza and then you know there might be a couple of guys that go on day two you know because that's the way it is with quarterbacks um and a lot of guys will be there day three i think you're going to find a bunch of intriguing options maybe even as pfas or udfas so i think you could be very measured as far as not moving too quickly
00:24:01
Speaker
you know, with ah with Levis. I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think the only quarterback that I saw that you guys did a 30 visit with may have been Texas Tech. I think it was Baron Morton, who I don't really think fits your mold anyway. Maybe, you know, they brought him in because they're looking at somebody else on Texas Tech and they wanted to, you know, grill him a little bit.
00:24:26
Speaker
yeah according uh i i've been going to this a lot lately but easton butler has been doing a tremendous job tracking the packers visits and the top 30 visits yeah they're in morton is the only one that they brought in at for quarterback but they've throughout all the other stuff like pro days and and the combine and that they've been meeting with a lot of different quarterbacks But I just remembered the one that I was thinking of because Steve brought him up and being the jet fan, you know, it it never clicked. But I have heard slight rumblings. I don't know if that's fan talk talk or what, but that maybe they need to bring in Zach Wilson. to He got signed.
00:25:09
Speaker
He's in New Orleans competing with Spencer Rattler. Yeah. So, yeah but that that was something that I had heard rumblings on. But Mike, is there anything else you want to add in or do you just want to go ahead and jump into draft talk?
00:25:25
Speaker
No, I think we've beaten around all the bushes at this point and we can just get into the draft. Yeah, I, as Steve so eloquently brought up for us, I do not see us using a day two pick on a quarterback this year. Just too many other answers around the roster and Jordan is way too young and, you know, the injuries he's had, they aren't the kind where you look at it and it's like, ooh, maybe you're going to start. don't know, man. Remember back to, oh, what year was it? The Jordy draft.
00:25:55
Speaker
they They had Rodgers. they They had Rogers there and ah started for a couple of years already. And then they drafted both Brian Brom and Matt Flynn. Brom was a second rounder. And I do think there I think an element to that was So that was that was going into Rodgers' first year as a starter. And I think an element there was Rodgers had been injured every year he had been on the Packers from the moment he was drafted to then, you know, and and they were like broken foot, hamstring. i forget what the one his second or...
00:26:31
Speaker
Because I think it was... collarbone The collarbone was later on, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he had all these like weird lower body injuries, like minor like soft tissue. or like The broken foot one was like the most ironic one because it's like... He goes into a game after Favre gets knocked out of the game and then he plays the rest of the game, breaks the foot, and it's like, oh... And I do think there was the element of, oh, like...
00:26:57
Speaker
We think he's good, but also what if he's just never going to stay healthy for a full 16-game season? And I do think that was a driving factor behind, like, okay, Braum we just think is too valuable. He slipped into the second round, and Flynn, you know, falling all the way to round seven, and the irony there about how those two worked out. But, you know, like you said, Joe, though, never say never, but I do think that it would—
00:27:24
Speaker
jordan a little bit ago He hasn't seen been healthy the first two seasons as a starter. And I'm not trying to say, oh, yeah, they need to move on from or anything. But, you know, i have said this before. Look at the parallels between Rodgers and Love.
00:27:42
Speaker
You know, both taken as first-round picks when they had an established a ah starter. Both sat behind established starter for three years. Yeah.
00:27:53
Speaker
both you know new coat head coaches new uh uh you know haven't been healthy the first couple of years in as starter you know there's a lot of these parallels now again i'm not i do agree i don't see 52 but again you can never and maybe it's a trade down situation where they pick up an extra second Or, you know, they they move back, pick up a couple extra picks, and, you know, there's, I don't know, Ty Simpson sitting there. Or ah somebody that we'll talk about later, Cole Payton, or something like that. But anyway, that's just conspiracy joke coming out.
00:28:35
Speaker
Excuse Joe for putting on his tinfoil hat, Steve, but you guys let's get into that point of the draft where, um you know, the Packers have picked up a couple extra day three picks between this draft and next draft, you know, with the Don Tavian Wicks trade they just made with um the Eagles this past week. And I know a lot of people have jokingly said, like, um that's the ammo they're going to use to, like, move up if a Chris Johnson or someone falls into the second round and all that kind of stuff. But um the way I also potentially look at it as, okay, you get into that late day three range and you start to see some names, you know like one that Joe mentioned. He's not a favorite of mine, but, like, if a Ty Simpson happens to be around at the end of round three or... um
00:29:20
Speaker
If, um you know, let's say they're like higher on a tail in green than a lot of other two Who are some names in that late day two, early day three range, Steve, that you um have taken a liking to as prospects and could see um teams you know like ah the Packers potentially moving into position to take in that in that late round three, early round four range?
00:29:41
Speaker
Yeah, i think that's a good question because, like I said, this year it's really hard, you know, to identify where these guys are going to go. i mean, you know, there's a lot of chatter about Ty Simpson going in round one.
00:29:56
Speaker
You know, I don't really see it happening, but stranger things have gone on. But, you know, to your point, Mike, there are a lot of guys, you know, ah that are really intriguing. um You know, i If I just start thinking about going back to what I said before about a size profile, you know, there are a bunch of them that do fit.
00:30:18
Speaker
ah If I look at you know, from the athleticism, then that starts eliminating. So like Garrett Nussmeyer of LSU, I would venture to say he's probably in that three, maybe four range. You know, I could be totally wrong, but, you know, he may be a little bit on the shorter side than the average guy. you know, they take. um So the, you know, but the athleticism just doesn't jive for me there.
00:30:45
Speaker
um Drew Aller. I mean, you know, you want to talk about a guy, you know, with a prototypical, you know, you think of the quarterback, six foot five, you know, 220 something, 228, I think, you know, i mean, for size and what that arm strength is, that would be a fantastic fit, but he's not athletic. I don't see him coming in and, you know, even in an emergency situation, certainly not in the 2026 season where if I'm, you know, the Packer staff or Packer fans comfortable seeing Aller, you know, possess the athleticism outside of the arm necessary to, you know, help you out, you know, a game or God forbid more if something happened. Um,
00:31:33
Speaker
with Jordan. um Carson Beck is another name. You know, I think that could be round four, maybe even round five. You know, ah we don't have the testing numbers and things, the sizes there. You know, i sort I don't even know how much juice there is in that elbow because there were things, moments I saw in the championship game or throughout the playoffs, you know, when he had, you he was hitting Tony and whatever. It's like, okay, You know, the boy can still spin it and then other times, whatever. But um whether it was you, Joe, or Mike, I forget who, I think a really intriguing option.
00:32:10
Speaker
is Arkansas ah arkansas quarterback, Taylin Green. I mean, you know, everybody knows how big this dude is, right? You know, 220, think 227. I mean, the blazing 40-yard time, you know, 4.35, 4.36, something like that. So he checks the box for, you know, what LeFleur and Gutenkunz have liked in terms of the build. But that athleticism is just off the charts. Now, does you know let does he have the arm talent? I think if you know we go back and look at Malik, I think Malik had a better arm.
00:32:54
Speaker
Okay. There, you know, there's a lot more to question. um You know, he, he had the superior raw arm, you know, it was almost effortless, you know, just the jaw dropping velocity and everything. I think Willis had, you know, the, the ability to get the ball out at different arm angles. I don't know that green has that at this point.
00:33:15
Speaker
So I would certainly maybe, you know, get rid of McCord and, bring, I think traditionally you guys keep two. I don't think you keep three. I could be wrong, but ah it's usually two and then one on the practice squad.
00:33:32
Speaker
Okay. Well then, you know, that's where you get, i don't know then, you know, in that situation, because you know, if you draft him, you know, somewhere on day three, you know, he may get picked right away off of the practice squad. You know, he may not make it there. I don't know.
00:33:49
Speaker
But, um, You know, he, Green, he's got that longer sidearm ah kind of motion to him. ah But I just think from the athlete standpoint, he's a really intriguing fit for you guys.
00:34:04
Speaker
ah Yeah, I didn't really watch him too much to to know the arm strength and all that stuff. But I have heard talk that if he gets drafted, it's do they see him as a quarterback or do they try to you know do the tight end thing with him or the tall, you know what what do they do with him? But I do think the Packers have met with him.
00:34:30
Speaker
I was trying to go through the, i think it was at one of the, of you know, one of the the showcase bowls or whatever that they had met with him, but,
00:34:43
Speaker
and Honestly, the Packers have done a lot of research on on guys, and it's funny that you mentioned that Diego Pavia may not be ah it fit the mold, but they actually met with him at the Senior Bowl. So it's crazy to think of that. But just a couple of other guys that you mentioned. Aller, i do i do agree with you that his – His arm strength is amazing. There were a couple of throws that, because I was watching a little bit of him before we jumped on, that the just, it was like, wow, because it just seemed like an effortless throw, but it went 40, 50 yards. It's like, okay, yeah, and he had pretty good placement with it, too.
00:35:21
Speaker
Athleticism, yeah, I don't know what's there. Obviously, you know, the ah ACL tear, it is going to be a hindrance for him a little bit too. So that'll be a little bit and interesting. You did mention the top 30 visit for Morton.
00:35:40
Speaker
He's also lacking a little bit with the athleticism if you go off his Raz. So it is kind of interesting that they they talk to him a little bit. But he's another one that it seemed like his arm strength was pretty good. And he had some pretty decent placement with with his throws. And oh I want to look at my notes here real quick.
00:36:02
Speaker
of I thought he had... What was it? It's not like he's got like top size, but he's got like average size, so it wasn't amazing. ah His deep throws looked pretty good. I mean, there were some times that it looked a little bit lofted, but that could have just been throwing on the run or whatever. ah The one knock on him that that I really had for him and it just happened.
00:36:30
Speaker
There was one game and I can't remember which one of them I watched that he started drifting a little too much, you know, ah instead of staying in the pocket, moving around the pocket, he just kept drifting back and back and back. And it's like, my guy, I understand you got arm strength, but the further you go back, they're going to get you. And when they get you, you know, you're going to lose a chunk of yardage there. But, um,
00:36:54
Speaker
Let's see, Nussmeier. I want to get on Nussmeier because I put this in Jim's ah ah chat group. I was watching a lot of him. I loved his release. It was a quick, you know, short throw release.
00:37:08
Speaker
But I got to wondering about his arm strength. So you guys, if you could tell tell me what... At some points, like you were saying with with ah with Green, and or was it Green or the one whichever one you were talking about, the...
00:37:23
Speaker
carson back carson back that was it where it looks like he's got this amazing arm strength but other times it looks like it's being lofted other times it looks like it it does this weird tail off motion where it just kind of starts ducking and then falls flat and it's like okay so does he actually have the arm strength or or is he there but other than that everything Pretty much, I mean, he he had scrambling ability. he you know they They did the version their version of the tush push with him. So you know he he's got a little bit of a a sturdy streak to him. And and he had good placement on his ball. But what do you guys think about his arm strength?
00:38:06
Speaker
Mike, ah yeah, you go for it. Okay, so Nussmeier, I put him in the bin of... um i put him in the bin of he has a he has he'll have a good nfl arm like it's always hard to say because guys aren't asked to make the same throws in different schemes and stuff but you know lsu ran a little bit more of like a pro style ish scheme you saw him make some of the like deep outs the you know the throws downfield he doesn't have an elite arm to my eye but he can make all the nfl throws
00:38:38
Speaker
As you noted, Joe, the time you worry about him is when his feet aren't set. The ball will... You know, it'll lose some RPMs. It'll lose... It'll tail on him and so Which is... For... Outside of the elite, elite arm guys, that's gonna happen. That's that's what's supposed to happen. You know... Um...
00:38:55
Speaker
i I'll put it in terms of this. So like, you know, the the two seasons he's had in the NFL have shown that JJ McCarthy, you know, who at Michigan looked like he had the arm to make every NFL throw. But when you go back and watch his film, and what always concerned me is like, he's a guy where he looked like a relief inning pitcher who throws 100, where when he really wanted to put zip on the ball, he's like leaning, like his body is leaning forward.
00:39:22
Speaker
Over as he's trying to put extra zip on the ball whereas with Jordan and you know guys like Jordan my homes like a Dante Culpepper even a far to an extent it's like oh They'll just look like they're doing soft toss and the ball is there in a zip kind of thing. And you know it's that easy gas that those kind of guys can put on it.
00:39:42
Speaker
I have Nussmaier more in the like, he can he can put the sufficient RPMs on it, but he's not going to be a guy where you're like, okay, the the ball is just going to fly off of his hand every time.
00:39:53
Speaker
Beck is in the, like, if we're doing a baseball pitcher rating, he's got, you know, and it's not necessarily his fault, but after the, I think it was a UCL tear, so he basically had a pitcher injury. He basically has, like, 35 40 arm,
00:40:08
Speaker
and I won't say they would have beaten Indiana, but he had multiple plays in the college football playoff where you're like, oh man, he had a guy streaking wide open and the ball is either late where it's it's like a DPI instead of a touchdown kind of thing, or like it's a catch, but um whoever is catching the ball is like, please, like gravity, pick it, like pull it down to, like you can literally see the receiver like doing the thing where they like... Like, up, down, up, down, because it's like, okay, there's the ball, but like, where's that safety who's coming, you know, who I who i beat 10 yards ago? with He's bananed around and is is seeking in on me kind of thing. And so, um it is just that, like, and like I said.
00:40:58
Speaker
You went muted, Mike. yeah yeah like he had a Thank you. He had a comparable arm to Nussmeier before the injury, but you just see it on certain throws. where And what's really unfortunate for him is like some of these throws I'm talking about, he's hitting on top of his drop on three and five-step drops. So the throw is on time, and the ball just can't get further than about 15 yards downfield. And...
00:41:23
Speaker
That's just not going to cut. Like you said, the frame is really good. The build is good. The athleticism is pretty solid for a guy, like a quarterback with his kind of wiry frame. But that arm strength is just non-existent at this point. Like Clifford has a better arm than him. And we saw what Clifford's arm looked like the couple seasons he was in Green Bay.
00:41:43
Speaker
Green, the way reason he's high atop my board is because my belief has always been for a backup quarterback, when you have an established quarterback, is I want the project guy who's got a good... like he falls in the like teach him how to football bin in this sense where it's like he's got the big arm there's questions about his footwork his technique his consistency but if i have to throw him in i can at least we've seen an offense where lefleur is like all right screw it the backups in we're going to the the wing t with we're going to the wing t with some option throws off of it and you can survive that way because that's the thing is like everyone's like oh don't you want a quarterback who can throw it but i'm like That's the whole thing. They're your backup. There's like a minuscule chance where your backup is as good of a thrower, processor, knowledge of the playbook, um having the... um The...
00:42:39
Speaker
the um The relationships and chemistry with your starting pass catcher, the top down things you need to be a successful passer in the NFL. It's very unlikely that your backup is going to have all that. And so that's where I like the backup to have in um have a different.
00:42:59
Speaker
plan of attack so to speak from the backup position where like that's where a lot of malik's success was it's like oh this dude can throw it as far as jordan could but he can also take off and run for 60 on you like if you you know and and you saw it all the time is like the first play he goes in lefleur is just calling a boot like to see if like the defense is gonna be um disciplined or if they're just like ah just plaster everyone in man coverage and willis is like and you can tell he tells willis like it's first read and go If that first read, if that under-leaked tight end route isn't there on boot, just run. and Just run for as fast and as far as you can. That's where Green is high on my list. And another guy who's high on my, like, yeah, i would take this guy. He's way further down because of his age and injury history. But Jalen Daniels out of Kansas is there for similar reasons where it's like, I...
00:43:50
Speaker
Not as good of an arm as Green, but like he has the the he kind of fits the Parcells mode. You know, I don't know if you guys remember, but Parcells had that like six point list of like for me to draft a quarterback in the NFL, he must have these things. And it's like, a yeah, Parcells would have drafted Beck.
00:44:10
Speaker
I mean, if you go by that old thing, Beck is number one. Yeah, yeah you're right on. Yeah. yu So and like I said, that's where Daniels and Green are higher on my list in terms of why I like them as prospects, because I like having that different dynamic out of your backup quarterback. And then you can have your staff coach them along, you know, and see what they have from a passing perspective. So. um I say all that to get around to Nussmeier. If Nussmeier were to fall to fourth the fourth or somehow the fifth, I wouldn't mind if they took him there. Just because the pedigree... You know, his dad is like a longtime coordinator. So you know that between the years, he's got it there. And really, the thing with Nussmeier is he just got physically beat up at times at LSU. And, um you know, partly that's because they did ask him to run the ball. And partly, like
00:45:02
Speaker
It's weird. Like, LSU always recruits O-line well, but for whatever reason, whether it's because they play at the SEC or whatever you want to believe, their quarterbacks just always get beat up from time to time. And Nussmeier just, you know, he's not... He's not...
00:45:17
Speaker
you know um Aaron Rodgers would say he's not short because he's 6'2 as well, but he's listed at 203, and there's times where I'm like, okay, he looks like he might be a little thicker than that, and then other times when he gets just lit up by not a guy you would think would be lighting him up, you're kind of like, oh, that's like a...
00:45:35
Speaker
like a nickel linebacker who just exploded him in the, you know, it was a blindside hit kind of thing, but you're like, oh, he kind of ragdolled on that in a way that I wouldn't expect him to. So that's where my concern is, is like, okay, like, you know, is he going to be able to put on a little more functional strength than Wade? And, you know, what does he look like after that? So, um but, you know, like when Flynn came out, I think Flynn was listed at like 207 or he wasn't a very stocky guy when he came out of lsu so you know they have taken those kind of guys but it's just a matter of like when nussmeyer would be available that late round three early four would be a little too rich for my blood but if he got into that fifth round i wouldn't have a problem with nussmeyer yeah that'd be i think incredible you know value there um you know just we were talking we'll stay on nussmeyer second then i want to go back to green and then throw another idea at at the two of you. You know, the the strength, the timing, the ball placement, it's okay. Joe, I think it was you, you you mentioned Favre. And, you know, Nussmeier does have a little bit of a gunslinger attitude. It's just the arm doesn't necessarily back up that attitude. Right. I mean, know, Favre, You know, he could just be like, all right, you know, close his eyes, turn back and just go eff it. We're hurling this thing 70 yards. You know, I don't think Nussmeier can do that.
00:47:05
Speaker
um I think it's strong enough that he can challenge defenses vertically to a degree. um You know, but i I don't know. There's a guy I do shows on Twitter with and man, he is like the arm strength king. It's like nothing else matters to him. He gets a little ridiculous about it. But, you know, he would be like, oh, Lambeau Field, it's going to be cold and windy. You can't put Nussmeier there.
00:47:30
Speaker
Like, OK, relax. But, you know, so I don't know. um You know, I think the thing with getting back to green and then, like I said, I'll throw another thing at you.
00:47:41
Speaker
I, you know, LaFleur's been around the block. he's He's come from a great tree, you know, you know, ah baby Shanahan, Papa Shanahan, you know, the the principles are there. You know, I think with a guy like Green that he would be able to figure it out.
00:48:00
Speaker
Right. And, you know, you you look at the things that Malik was able to do and, you know, it was sort of you Having them like you mentioned before, oh you know, throwing a blue leg, not there, go run. I mean, who's going to want to try and challenge right away a six foot six quarterback, right? think, you know, you get a couple of those things. Maybe, you know, you build up some confidence in that short and intermediate game where I think the accuracy could be there for green, you know, and then, you know, like the way the pack likes to use the play action. I bad things can happen for the opponents, right? You know, and maybe you're not doing as many tight condensed formations and, and whatever, but I, I just think, you know, it's an interesting thing, but we may have mentioned him at the beginning of the show. I don't remember. Another intriguing option is certainly North Dakota state quarterback, Cole Payton. You know, the, I think the challenge being is
00:49:04
Speaker
You know, I'm left-handed. didn't play the quarterback role. I was a receiver in a corner ah in high school and college. It's very different. So, you know, you really got to see, you know, what what your line is because obviously the right tackle now is your blind spot and how your receivers, you know, adopt to the way the ball comes. But then again, I don't think you guys have any more receivers. You're trading them all the way. But I'm bummed.
00:49:31
Speaker
um No, I did actually like that trade. You made wicks to the Eagles. But, you know, again, the size profile with Peyton's there, one year starter. But there's a lot of factor to him, you know, and I don't get into the comp thing because I think, you know, when we're, you know, when we're broadcasting and engaging, you know, the the people that don't get into the draft weeds the way we do, you know, they may hear a name and they're like, no, you don't know what you're talking about. He's not excellent. Like, well, we're not necessarily comparing him in the pros. We're comparing him when he was in college.
00:50:07
Speaker
Right. So I kind of stay out of the comp game. But, you know, there were some elements of Josh Allen at Wyoming. Right. So, you know, big physical, um you know, there the accuracy concerns are there. But he's certainly an intriguing option also. If, you know, if he's there.
00:50:28
Speaker
Let's say middle of day three, you know. Yeah, Cole Payton is obviously a very popular topic amongst some of the people, some of Frenda shows like J.J. Leahy and and Jake Shevink are big fans of him. I watched him. i i have to be honest, there's something about a left-handed quarterback that always fascinates me.
00:50:50
Speaker
and And so watching him was amazing because it just, it always fascinates me because you see the right handed motions and it all looks natural and it all looks great. But then you get a left hander throwing and it's like,
00:51:04
Speaker
What? But Cole looked good. ah I think he's got enough of the arm strength that, you know, I don't know if it's quite Josh Allen like that with the arm strength, but ah he's got good placement with it. He had good receivers there that, you know, helped him out with that a little bit too.
00:51:24
Speaker
Scrambling ability is top notch. I mean, obviously I'm looking at Raz. He had a 987 on his Raz score, so he tested out of this world. ah You know, decision making.
00:51:36
Speaker
Let's see what I got wrote down here. um You know, athletic good runner. ah I thought there was maybe a little bit of a hitch in his motion when he threw, but otherwise it was a pretty smooth motion.
00:51:49
Speaker
ah Good accuracy, good strength. So, you know, I really did. and And the hitch could just simply be the left-handedness of it all, but it just looked like he had this weird, you know, whole go through with it that kind of threw him off for me. But it, you know...
00:52:10
Speaker
Like I said, JJ and Jake seem to think that he could even slide into round two of this draft. So, you know, there's there's a possibility there. I don't know, but I do i do like Cole. I mean, he he would be a solid pickup for the Packers.
00:52:25
Speaker
yeah he's gonna be one of those like where does he end up going kind of guys because like if he goes mid day three and like he goes to a team like green bay who can truly develop him that would be one of the i think best case scenarios for him whereas like if he goes in day two he gets into that like honestly malik willis or will levis range where it's like you're like one game from starting and i think that's a little too much pressure too fast for him where he's like you said joe the The holdup I have with him is, and it's not a small school thing, it's like a big arm, not enough coaching thing with quarterbacks where it's like, to me, he looks like a guy where, and I think this is where the hitch you're kind of seeing in his throwing motion is, is where,
00:53:08
Speaker
when you get these guys who have big arms and then they're like told okay you gotta start throwing with touch the mistake a lot of them make is like oh throwing with touch means i throw softer and that's not how it works like if you look at the guys who can throw with touch it's they they um their throwing motion it still looks the same for the most part like you know you look at um rogers farve love up guys who had like some of the biggest arms and then it's like oh but they could also just feather the ball in and it's not like oh they go from full wind up to throwing a dart kind of thing it's like it's still the same throwing motion but they know how to like lighten their grip on the ball or like maybe you know it's the tech whereas like cole and like i said this is a very prevalent thing where
00:53:55
Speaker
you see like his throwing motion it does legitimately slow down when he's like i'm gonna try and float this over a linebacker or i want to feather this into the flat kind of thing and stuff so to me it's not a bad thing it's more of like a oh okay you're at that point of your development kind of kind of um point of reference for peyton and my eye but like you said he's got the big arm brings that extra dimension of being a runner is a tough runner he looks like he's from like the 50s where it's like okay like and he's gonna have to learn like when you you know he comes from div 2 um or div whatever fcs fcs thank you so like div 1a always forget the what the letter number combination is but you know, he's going to fall into that bin, kind of like Trey Lance did, where it's like, okay, like, you can't run everyone over at this level. Like, you're going to get popped, even if he's, like, in a preseason game where it's like, oh, it's just the safety. It's like that safety has put more pelts on his wall than you think he has and stuff. So, um you know, there is that learning curve for those kind of quarterbacks as well. um But there's a lot of... think, though, you know, when you're coming out of a school like North Dakota State, which is...
00:55:08
Speaker
You know, pretty much like the cream of the crop of FCS. That's where, like when I've heard somebody say, well, Josh Allen coming out of Wyoming. I mean, it's not like Wyoming is, you know, this P4 perennial champion. So, you know, i guess the competition level or or where the school is in terms of stature, is that's I can live with that.
00:55:31
Speaker
yeah i'm not super worried it's just more there's some technique things he has to learn and and tune up and yeah like i said that's why i would feel more much more comfortable taking him where i assume green bay would be taking him if they took him which is like that round five round six range as opposed to like a more quarterback desperate team being like i gotta have this i gotta to make sure i get the guy want and you know a couple names like And that's where, yeah that's kind of how pack the Packers got stuck with Clifford is like, they had, there was this run on, you know, backup quarterback types in the 2023 draft and you know everyone's like, oh my God, they took Clifford in the fifth round, but...
00:56:13
Speaker
You know, my counter argument to that is like, go look at the board and tell me what quarterback you wanted them to get. And a lot of what LaFleur and Gutekun said after the draft was, they kind of quietly admitted like, yeah, we took one because there weren't many more to take. And we took Clifford because we we're not concerned that he's gonna like battle with love for the starting spot but we needed a guy who you know was a fifth year player knew we knew he could pick he had the he had the matter between his ears to pick up a playbook really quickly and could you know have the headset on and be a contributing part of our offensive system whereas this time you know um
00:56:55
Speaker
Ritter and McCord were with the team to close the season so they've had a little more time to learn. They've both been around the league for at least a couple years at this point so um they're not even in that dire of a straight where it's like Going into 2023, it was like, there is no backup quarterback. It was Jordan Love and fill in the blank at that point going in. So they're already in a much better position there. And then it it kind of is um a pick your favorite at this point. And i I'm really curious to see how this quarterback class goes because, you know, that's the thing. And and this will be my last talking point I bring up for the episode is,
00:57:37
Speaker
Steve, how do you feel like this class is going to roll because, um you know, Mendoza and Simpson are the two guys that I've, Mendoza because, you know, all this the all the tea leaves seem to be pointing that he's going to be the number one overall pick at this point.
00:57:52
Speaker
Simpson, I'm not the biggest fan, but I can see him being the kind of like Mac Jones prospect that a some team is going to be like, you know what, we saw enough in his one starting season and the pedigree is there and all that kind of stuff that we're going to be comfortable taking him.
00:58:07
Speaker
after that i'm kind of like these guys could go round two or they could go not till day three kind of thing just because it's very much a what's your flavor of ice cream kind of class after that because these these guys after really after mendoza all have some kind of like I don't want to say major flaw because I do think a lot of them can, you know, work on and develop their games, but they do have some kind of con that prohibits them from being a hands-off day one, day two kind of prospect. So how do you feel like this quarterback class is going to go this year, Steve?
00:58:47
Speaker
Yeah, I it's really interesting. And, you know, we we haven't had a class like this in a while. You know, I mean, think of yeah if you guys do your summer scouting, I mean, coming into the year, I mean, we were thinking about our right, you know, um and he probably did.
00:59:06
Speaker
not help himself by going back to school this year but you know we were talking aller and nussmeyer uh kade klubnik who we didn't talk about today i don't really think you know he's a great fit for you um but i could be wrong and you know and then the season starts and we're buzzing about lenora sellers and and here we are and yeah the season progresses it's like oh Dante Moore you know Dante Moore well he goes back to school and now it's like oh shit now what do we do um you know it's kind of wild but yeah I mean Mendoza's in a class by himself and um I mean i have Simpson as my quarterback too uh it's it's
00:59:52
Speaker
It's like, okay, where else am I going to go? I got to pick somebody. um You know, interestingly enough, in in the draft professor epic mock that went on over the last couple of days, you know, and I'm not saying that's real life, you know, maybe it mirrors it, maybe it doesn't. obviously Mendoza went first to the Raiders and Simpson didn't go until like almost the tail end of round two.
01:00:15
Speaker
I think it was pick 61 to, you know, the Rams, right? Cause, oh, you got a quarterback that needs developing. Everybody's like, oh, just send them to Sean McVay. He'll be fine. You know, that's not real life, right? You know, they can't take everybody and it doesn't even mean that, uh, less need and McVay one, but, um,
01:00:35
Speaker
Yeah, that's the thing. i you know, obviously, you know, as a Jet fan, there's there's talk about it and I don't really think they're going to go that route. I don't think, uh, they're going to take him. They do have two first round picks, number two and 16, even if the board gets a little wonky, I don't see them taking him at 16 and I really don't see them trading back in.
01:01:00
Speaker
Um, if he's there with the first pick of the second round at 33, maybe, um, I could tell you, I wouldn't love it. Um, I think he's a great kid. I think there's, you know, there's moments you saw before all the injuries and everything where even if you didn't watch the arm, you watch the footwork, how just surgical and precise he was. like, man, is he a Manning or is he a Simpson?
01:01:27
Speaker
I mean, it was really amazing to watch and just the way he got the ball out. And I don't know, I mean, 15 starts and like seven of them weren't good. And, Is it him? Was it the injuries? Because I i don't know if this is true or not. And maybe you guys know, supposedly there was like something really bad with his back. Like he had a broken vertebrae.
01:01:51
Speaker
And if that's the case, okay, you know, all is forgiven. I mean, my God, how are you still out there? um Yeah. ah So I definitely think Simpson's going to be in that round two conversation. I can't say I'll be shocked if it's round one, but um I'd be a little surprised. My number three, we spoke about him. I've got Cole Payton. um You know, yeah, I'm not big on lefty quarterbacks, but the dude's got something. You know, Joe, you were right. You know, there's like that that hitch. I think it's almost more of a dip.
01:02:27
Speaker
You know, which that could be an issue. But um and then number four, you know, Peyton, I. I have a feeling after Simpson, a two, we don't start seeing guys go until round four. I don't believe that there are teams that are going to be desperate to start, you know, doing all the, you know, we got to grab this guy um because, you know, even though it's not a round one pick, you you know,
01:02:56
Speaker
In a draft like this where you know we're having your day two and day three picks matter so much because of the depth of the class, whether receiver or linebacker, safety or whatever, your general manager you know burning a round three pick on a quarterback with a lot of questions where you know you just let safety XYZ go. And I don't know, your job security may be a little, you know,
01:03:25
Speaker
um But I think it's round four really where we really start to see, you know at least that's where I am with Peyton and Aller and whatever. I think we're gonna You know, Jim keeps Jim Wickens is so great about keeping these stats of the average number of quarterbacks drafted. And I think we're going to flip a lot of things, you know, on their ear this draft. I think you're going to have a lot of undrafted quarterbacks, but. um You know, I want to throw another interesting name. Get your thoughts. You know, we're probably running low on time. I think we did have a question. going to go however long it's Mike with the kids. that
01:04:07
Speaker
Okay. Well, I'll make it quick. What do you all think about, you know, maybe later on day three, round six is where I project him. Sawyer Robertson out of Baylor.
01:04:19
Speaker
You know, that to me is an intriguing option, I think, um for you guys. You know, when when you reached out, Joe, about doing the show and then, you know, I think it was a few days ago you told me what we were really going to cover. You know, I'm starting to think, you know, you just, you know, in the shower doing your shower thoughts and the light bulb goes on like Sawyer.
01:04:40
Speaker
Hmm. This could work. um So I don't know you know what you've watched about him. I think he could be intriguing. But overall, I'm going to tell you, out of any of the guys that you know your team, my team can bring on, I don't know that there's any guy that's really going to be you know in a crunch, a big improvement over what you might have right now in Ritter. you know At least he's got the NFL starting experience. It didn't go great. But, you know, I don't know.
01:05:10
Speaker
um But did yeah either of you have a chance, you know, or any thoughts on Robertson? I like his quick release. um He has a tight, compact throwing motion. um he He has a nice ball over the middle of the field. I know that's kind of a weird thing to hear him say, but like I like that he has a decent trajectory. like His ball doesn't seem to sail over the middle of the field. a little bit of a set-his-feet-has-to-set-his-feet passer, but that's okay. Like like i said, I'm...
01:05:38
Speaker
you know if i can find an alien backup quarterback that's great but you know i just need someone who's gonna come in and know like which way to turn to hand the ball off or what the the call is for um shift left for the you know for the for the past protection and things like that you know that's another part of it is like you know that like i brought it up when why did they pick clifford but it's like they want guys who they're gonna have to change as few parts of the offense offensive infrastructure if this guy has to go in the game And calling pass protection is one of them. Like, you you see some of these teams where, like, oh, a different quarterback goes in. It's like, oh, now the O-line is calling the pass protection or, God forbid, a running back has to call the pass protection and things like that and stuff. you You just hear the horror stories about it from every, like, different coach and, you know, like...
01:06:29
Speaker
And it always comes out after the season's over because it's like, oh, how come, like, your offense fell off a cliff? And it's like, oh, well, so-and-so was compensating for this injury, and now, like, you know, he's not comfortable having to turn his back kind of thing. And so we're changing how we structure the offense and all that stuff. So, um you know, like...
01:06:50
Speaker
Quick aside, that's why I want guys, you know, and and it's hard because that's one of those things with college quarterbacks that's so different now is almost none of them call their own plays or call make line calls anymore. Like, I do think that's one of the tragedies of where modern college football is gone with the clap, look at the sideline, see the, like, four giant poster boards, and, you know, you pick the, like, top left corner, bottom right corner, top, ah you know you know, it's that whole thing and the color and all that kind of crap. It's like...
01:07:19
Speaker
Before, you know, like all the quote-unquote pro-style quarterbacks, they would look to the sideline, get the hand signal, relay the call, you know, like you you go back and watch like even when Ohio State started to move to the spread, you would see Troy Smith still make the line calls kind of thing. And, you know, like Chad Henney at Michigan, you would see him walk to every one of his old linemen and be like, you got it, you got it. We're going to even when they're in the horseshoe and he can't hear, you know, Jack's squat. And it's like,
01:07:48
Speaker
Okay, you know, we're audibling and we're going to a dive to the right now and all that kind of stuff. You just don't see that anymore. It's like all these guys, when they clap and look to the sideline, everyone's looking at a different coach because the receivers are all looking at one signal card. The quarterback's looking at another one. The O-line, whoever's looking for the O-line is looking at a third one. And so...
01:08:10
Speaker
And the NFL is just... I just don't think the NFL is ever going to operate that way. You saw Chip Kelly try to bring some of that, and it just didn't work at all. Like, there's certain elements of... And it's funny because you're in the era where a lot of the guys on offense in the NFL grew up on that style of...
01:08:27
Speaker
play pre-snap structure, but it just has never taken up in the NFL. I don't know if it's the um the paranoia that the NFL is going to break it better than a college team is going to be able to, whatever it is, but um yeah, like...
01:08:45
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:48
Speaker
transitioning from college to the nfl were i am always amazed when like a camor can come in you know a guy who played his last two seasons at two different schools i know that like miami had some coach carryover and stuff like that but is from a full wide open college spread went to the nfl It took time over the course of the season, but you could tell, like, yes, he's learning how to run a pro offense. And I know that Tennessee did kind of spoon feed him different elements of it. But then you look at guys like Jordan. you know They got rid of their coach, too. you know he was pay call So here you go. I mean, you know, I always compare, like, I think of one of your rivals, the Bears. I mean, you know, I think you guys are a great model because of what you were able to do. You had Brett. You brought Aaron in.
01:09:35
Speaker
You let him sit and then, you know, you had to make a move and you did the same thing between Aaron and Jordan. And I think, you know, Mike, I think that reinforces your point. The problem is owners, fans, nobody has patience anymore to do that. Right. So here comes Fernando Mendoza, you know, into the NFL. And it's like like one percent of his entire college career has been under center. You know, everything has been left, right.
01:10:06
Speaker
and you know and that's it i i think you hit the nail you know absolutely on the head um yeah but you know i always say your rivals the bears you know if you want to screw up a quarterback follow what they did right because it was like a ah wash rinse repeat cycle for years you know hire a coach get a new quarterback you know, fail the quarterback, get rid of the coach, bring in somebody new, get the new quarterback. And it was, you know it was a long list. It looks like now, unfortunately for you guys, they may have figured it out with Caleb, but Fields and, you know, what we'll see, you know um you know, it was Fields and before him and before him and, You know, the coaches, Eberflus. And, ah you know, I mean, Nagy wasn't bad. He's the only one with a winning record, for God's sakes. And you have fired him, too. um
01:11:05
Speaker
But even, oh, God, what was his name 10, 12 years ago? The Canadian League guy, right? of Yes, yes. Mark, whatever. Trisman, Trisman. Yeah, Trisman.
01:11:17
Speaker
The one that right after we smoked him on Sunday night, it's like, well, we had a great week of practice going into the game. Let me tell you, that is the kiss of death. Every Jet coach uses that, and that's why until we get a coach that stops saying that, we will not have a winning record, gentlemen. We will not.
01:11:35
Speaker
okay yeah ah Yeah, just to go back to Sawyer Robinson, I really didn't watch much him. I know I've heard rumblings about maybe Packers being interested, but looking at his Raz card, I think the only thing that will maybe hurt him for the Packers is he scored poorly on his agility.
01:11:53
Speaker
And that that could be something that because, you know, Mike, and I'm not just saying this as a weird thing is the Packers really do look at their agility stuff when it comes to all their players. Now, they have taken some guys in the past that have at least had orange in their agility, but I don't know with as deep red as it is for Sawyer Robinson if that's going to be unless it's a, you know, like a seventh round or a UDFA type guy. Yeah. um But I have a couple more. How are you doing on time, Mike?
01:12:25
Speaker
I think I'm good for another 15. Okay, um so I did really try to look at some later round guys. um It's kind of funny, Steve, that you mentioned that you don't really do NFL comps. Well, I always tell people I don't do draft pick, or I mean, pick things for for players. I don't guess what round they're going to go in or whatever. I just, I look at a guy and, hey, I kind of like that guy and and go from there on him. So,
01:12:56
Speaker
Some of these guys may not get drafted. Some of them may go in a spot that um just don't, the Packers wouldn't be in. But the first one that I really liked, and but the problem is is he's a bit of an old, is Haynes King out of Georgia Tech.
01:13:15
Speaker
Athletic, scrambler. He has good size to him. I thought his arm arm strength was a little average. You could see where... you know, maybe with better footwork he could build up that arm strength, but he often threw, he he pulled the love thing where he often throws off of the the wrong foot time after time. So you wonder if maybe um you know, little work on that or whatever. his His bread and butter though was throwing on the run and scrambling.
01:13:47
Speaker
And you know, ah he I thought his arm strength when throwing speedball or a fastball, if you want to get into baseball talk a little bit, ah was tremendous. it It was kind of, it kind of not to say to comp him to Brett Favre, but it it kind of had reminiscence of those times with those types of fastballs because you would see the receiver's hand like go from the catch spot to like two yards back because they were trying to cushion the the the ball to come into him with him and and I thought that was really good like I said I think he's 24 25 so I don't know if that's the type that that would be more of a
01:14:29
Speaker
ah Sean Clifford type of draft pick than bring him in, groom him, trade him type type deal. And then the other one that I like that is really athletic is Jeff Sims out of Arizona State.
01:14:44
Speaker
um Again, athletic, scrambler. He's got a ah short throwing motion, which I kind of like because, you know, the the when I was watching him, again, not to do comps or anything, but visions of like Vince Young because they had the same type of build, but they also had that throwing motion that it started back behind. But when he would start shortening up his throwing motion, hit his ah his accuracy went better.
01:15:14
Speaker
So if if somebody can get in there and work with him and work on his throwing motion a little bit and have it a little bit more steady, i think he'll be fine.
01:15:24
Speaker
um he one of his problems may be he's got like super long arms so you know that could be what hinders him with with the throwing motion but he does also have pretty good with the multiple arm angles kind of like we we talked about with malik where he could throw it from you know whatever motion he needed to go or whatever arm angle he needed to go to but that yeah if i would have to say he's probably a preferred udfa more than anything just basically because of his
01:15:55
Speaker
ah oh athletic traits. So ah we talked about Baron Morton a little bit. I'm not going to get into Diego Pavia. I did watch him. i know the Packers met with him.
01:16:11
Speaker
i just, I don't know about anything with him, you know, not strongest arm, short, all that good stuff with him. um I did watch Klubnik. The only reason I watched him is because i don't know if you know Brian Moffey, but Moffey talks about him quite a bit. So, and he says that that could be a sleeper for maybe a Packers pick, but because this is our show and because we are homers for our college teams, I do have to bring up Mark Bronowski.
01:16:45
Speaker
um I'm a Hawkeyes fan, obviously with the Iowa Joe moniker, I have been, and this could just be sour grapes because of how shitty the offense has been for the longest time for the Hawkeyes.
01:17:01
Speaker
I'm not sold on Gronowski. I've looked at his stats. He played better at South Dakota State than he did with the University of Iowa. Yeah.
01:17:12
Speaker
I know what one of the main problems is, and that's a head coach that is very old school and doesn't like trying to involve too much newer school methods.
01:17:25
Speaker
ah And this this is case in point. Mark Gronowski had 262 passing attempts for the University of Iowa this past season.
01:17:37
Speaker
He had 130 rushing carries. rushing carries for the University of Iowa. He had 545 rushing yards, and that was the most since his freshman season with South Dakota State, which was 577 yards. yards he had only one thousand seven hundred and forty one passing yards And that was the least since his freshman year at South Dakota State, where he had 1500 passing yards. So I do know the big not the big thing for him was the use at the University of Iowa. I'm not sure why he decided to come to Iowa. I know they offered him, i think the what I was told was,
01:18:26
Speaker
king he was looking for $3 million for his NIL and the Hawkeyes gave him $3 million for his NIL. Maybe they were the only ones that were offering it to him. I don't know that part of it.
01:18:40
Speaker
But when you look through the stats, you can see that he would have been better off coming out in the 2025 draft than the 2026 because all his stuff looks better when he was with South Dakota State.
01:18:53
Speaker
With that being said, he does have a decent arm. He does have decent strength. He has a good over-the-top motion. He is a one-look reader or a thrower he He has a hard time reading de reading his his targets. So if it's not there on the first one, then he does struggle with that a little bit.
01:19:19
Speaker
And again, that could just be because of the University of Iowa. I don't know. i do know, but nothing's going to happen on that front for a while. um But I do have this piece of information that I did get from a reputable source that coaches at the University of Iowa were wanting to bench Grinowski midseason.
01:19:45
Speaker
But Ferentz nixed it and said, no, we're staying with him. and Honestly, that's a typical Ferentz thing where Ferentz doesn't like to change anything.
01:19:56
Speaker
He will ride with a person until he cannot ride with them anymore. um So again, you know, as much as I hate to say it, I think coming to the University of Iowa really hurt Mark Gronowski's stock.
01:20:10
Speaker
If somebody can... and The big problem is is he's going to be another older ti older um prospect because this was his year five in college football. So he's going to be to be a bit older when when he gets into the NFL.
01:20:30
Speaker
If somebody thinks they can do something with him, he's got the aspects there that he can do it. But if he really wants to make an NFL team,
01:20:42
Speaker
With his ability, because I've said when he ran, he he with his with his with his size and the way he ran, he kind of reminded me of Ben Roethlisberger's scrambles. He's not like the fastest out on the field, but he's a tough runner, and he's able to do a lot of those things.
01:21:01
Speaker
he might be better off trying to make the transition to a tight end than being a quarterback in the league unless like i said somebody can really work with him and think that you know he only needs a year or two before being some kind of starter and i'm glad you brought I'm glad you brought those guys up. I don't really have much to add on Jeff Sims. I mean, you know, i watch a little bit just out of you know, scouting Jordan Tyson.
01:21:31
Speaker
Right. So, you know, you kind of draw into that. But I'll start on Gronowski. um you know you mentioned uh the south dakota state so you know both the fcs fps experience you know i i think you hit all the good points right the size is there i would say he's definitely a sturdy guy you know he knows he understands timing and rhythm his mechanics are are decent um excuse me he's efficient you know with the ball in his hands and then you know i think there's some pop
01:22:07
Speaker
Um, on the short throws, it begins to start to wane on the intermediate and the deep. Um, he definitely struggled at times with accuracy at Iowa. i think it was a little more accurate at SDSU.
01:22:22
Speaker
Uh, you mentioned he's an older prospect, but, um, I think he has more confidence in his arm than his arm actually has, you know?
01:22:32
Speaker
if that makes any sense. So, you know, I don't think I, I, like I said, I think he's got that sturdy build. I don't, I just don't think he's a dynamic runner. So, you know, I, yeah, I think, you know, undrafted or whatever. I, I,
01:22:49
Speaker
I don't love the idea, you know, when guys, we start talking about changing position, I kind of, you know, want to see what they got, but ultimately, you know, the league knows more than me and yeah, you know, I completely forgot, you know, to talk about, Haynes King, one of our you know colleagues in this draft space, ah really, really eloquent and smart guy by the name of Bill Carroll. He really is high on on King.
01:23:16
Speaker
um you know He moved around. He didn't find his footing you know and transferred and wound up you know in Atlanta, Georgia Tech. i mean one of the key things outside of Jaden Daniels, he's like literally the only P five quarterback to have more than 2,800 passing yards, 25 touchdowns.
01:23:39
Speaker
And I forget the exact rushing number. It may be 700 and maybe 800 with a ton of rushing touchdowns. I think it was 10. So really interesting. I mean, all ACC, you know, he was a track and field guy.
01:23:54
Speaker
um i you know, like you said, i You know, he's clutch and electric as a runner. You know, he's got good twitch to
Player Analysis: Arm Strength and Mechanics
01:24:03
Speaker
him. um Man, he's got a rocket arm.
01:24:07
Speaker
ah You know, he knows how, you know, to take off when something breaks down. um I think he's still got a lot to learn about reading defenses. um My concern is he is a little lean.
01:24:21
Speaker
So, you know, I think whoever was we were talking about before, You know, when Mike was saying about just putting, you know, a pounding on the guy, you know, that's kind of what I think of, you know, for his size to be, don't know. I don't remember offhand. I don't have the numbers if he's, you know, 210, maybe a little under. I think is what he got measured in. Okay. So, so it's better than I actually thought, but.
01:24:44
Speaker
You know, like I said, the mechanics tend to go a little wonky under pressure, but, you know, the speed and whereas with a lot of these guys, we talk about the short and intermediate, you know, his is long ball, which obviously is not, you know, the NFL, right? That's backyard football, you know. you know, run to the lamppost and I'll throw it to You know, that's not the NFL. It's, you know, it's more in that, you know, five to 15, five to 10 range. um But he's an exciting player and I'm glad you brought him up.
01:25:18
Speaker
Yeah, very much so. and I really did like what I saw out of him. I just wish he was a couple years younger and you you could see him really grow in the NFL. Not saying that he doesn't have years ahead of him, just saying that you know if he needs work, then there's not a lot of time to work with him.
01:25:37
Speaker
so Yeah, Steve made the big point on King. He's a fun watch. And i do like like Steve said, I do think there's more arm talent in him than he's shown, partly because of what Georgia Tech's offense is. Because there's a lot of... you know Half his highlight film is of him running the ball out of like a triple option look. But he's got a live enough arm. And the main thing is he's a competitor. like he He is a fiery competitor. And it is one of those... intangibles that you do like to see out of like a later round prospect especially one who you're not expected to be your starter um and steve's right though like he's not a big guy and georgia tech put an absolute load of their offensive um production on his shoulders And it was always kind of sad because you could kind of tell what part of the season and even what part of a game it was because you could kind of tell, like, just watching him on a, like, if you just saw, like, a random snap of him, you're like, oh, that's the first quarter because, like, you know, obviously the jersey's clean and all that kind of stuff. But, like, you know, his movements look a little explosive. There's some pep to his step. And then, like, oh, that's a late late November quarter four snap because everything. He's kind of haggard. He's dragging a little. Like, there's maybe some blood on the uniform and stuff like that. But he was a lot of fun to watch in college because, you know...
01:27:02
Speaker
You could definitely tell when like mentally he was a little bit out of it because he would start to make like he's generally pretty good with the ball but every once in a while you just have he'd have those like like how did you not see that guy and I'm like I just think he just started to play off instinct that is not expecting someone to be there in that throwing window kind of turnover so.
01:27:22
Speaker
Good fun. And then, honestly, Jeff Sims. I had to double check when Joe brought him up. Because I was like, wait, that Jeff Sims? Like, the guy who started at Georgia Tech before? Haynes King Jeff Sims? And I was like, God, I remember when he transferred to Nebraska. And when that went up in flames kind of thing. So, I'm like, oh, yeah, he is still in college. I just had to look to make sure. I was like, that is the same one still. But, um...
Jeff Sims and Backup Quarterbacks History
01:27:49
Speaker
Athletic as hell. I mean, like I said, I don't think he's going to be, and unless some team really is desperate to draft him, I don't think he's going to get drafted. But athletic as hell. And and that arm was something else because it was effortless for him to throw. so Yeah, you're right. He has those long arms and it's like a whip.
01:28:10
Speaker
he He's like cracking a whip when he throws the ball. it's Well, you remember when Vince Young would throw it, and a buddy of mine and would talk about it when he signed in with the Packers for those two weeks. He would like have to bring his arm all the way back behind his shoulder and release it.
01:28:27
Speaker
And that's kind of what it seems like Jeff Sims has to do because of those long arms. so He's kind of Cunningham-ish in that way. Yeah, it's sort of Randall Cunningham-ish in that way.
01:28:38
Speaker
but But before we end, we do have Moose's question that we got to get to, and then and then we'll call it good and get us out of here. But Goose underscore MN always sends in these questions that, you know, has to do with what Packer would we choose from the past. So this time, because we're talking quarterbacks, he asked, if you could grab a backup QB from a Packers team between 2000 and 2020, who would you pick who would be your pick to back up Love? So of course I had to go through and verify what what he meant by it.
01:29:13
Speaker
So I asked him, someone who was a backup QB for the package between those years, and would we get them as they were as a backup? Or I gave the the example,
01:29:25
Speaker
like matt flynn starting you know or is he matt flynn when he was a rookie and he said as they were as a backup so obviously rogers is off the board so i'll let you guys do because i got to look up one thing real quick who would your backup be from the packers between 2020 and uh or 2000 and 2020 yeah i mean for me you know i actually almost slipped uh in getting ready for this, I almost said Hasselbeck, but you know, he was, I think that was around the cutoff. I, you know, yeah just for I think goose, uh, really knew how to phrase it so that I wouldn't say it. I mean, in thinking of all the names, you know, of
01:30:10
Speaker
By the way don't worry, I'm not going to say Tim Boyle with all due respect to the mad tweeter Kurt Benkert. I'm not going to say him. Seneca Wallace is is out the door. But yeah, for me, I think, you know, and it's a difficult, difficult question, right? Because we know what happened.
01:30:30
Speaker
You know, Matt Flynn used that to get a hell of a deal. I mean, that was ridiculous, ridiculous money, what he got in 2012. from Pete Carroll and the Seahawks. And then, you know, and then they go and draft a guy in the third round out of Wisconsin who winds up beating out not only Matt Flynn, but Tavares Jackson. um So I guess for me, it would be Matt Flynn.
01:30:54
Speaker
um I guess another intriguing name that I thought about was, you know, was going to be Brett Huntley. But You know, I would probably say Flynn first and then, you know, Huntley is way down here. But, yeah. I have bad memories of Huntley because the year Rodgers broke his collarbone against Minnesota, I had bought tickets for the Saints game. And this was before Rodgers got hurt.
01:31:21
Speaker
And the game before the Saints game was the Minnesota game that Rodgers got hurt. So the first game that I was in Lambeau Field to watch that year was the Brett Hundley absolute masterclass of what not to do when you're backing up and having to start. So ah yeah, ah Matt Flynn would be a good one, but i would it would definitely have to be his rookie ah or as he was the first time around when he was a backup because
01:31:52
Speaker
Yes, he did have that wonderful six touchdown game against Detroit and all that stuff, but after he left Green Bay is when he had arm problems.
01:32:05
Speaker
He already had a weak arm going into it, and then when he came when he went to Seattle, he injured it again. or injured it and then when he came back again and for the packers you could tell that arm got even weaker and that was that was hard to deal with with him but matt flann would be an amazing one uh mike i'll let you go ahead i'm gonna cheat no no i was gonna say i'm gonna cheat but i realize it's after 2020 um
01:32:37
Speaker
i'm gonna go with doug peterson fall into it I guess think he technically would. That's so funny. He technically would because he came back in 2004. But oh you know what? Just for the vibes, I'm going to go with the quarterback school. I'm going to go with JTL Sullivan. ah We'll give JTL Sullivan a shout out. don't know.
01:33:05
Speaker
ah I can't say I remember anything spectacular about his career. I just remember um his name and I love all the work he does. and yeah just he's he's who was a journeyman. I think played for like 10 teams and stuff, but I really like all the work he does breaking down film and um and all of the you know the the work he does to like inform the average fan on quarterback play and stuff. And so um I'll give him his flowers in that way by picking him in this hypothetical pick your backup quarterback obviously has it between the ears great work though he does do great great work yeah and you and like i'm picking him to be that guy holding the clipboard making the you know the backup calls with the headset on kind of thing you you can just see it like he obviously knows his stuff inside out um understands this the and i just like the personal touch where he just goes like yeah when i was in green bay we called it this not sure if they still do but hey that's how it was
01:34:00
Speaker
Like, I love those little tidbits when he puts it in the video. So, yeah, I'll give JT his flowers right now. And, you know, you remember the days like, you know, we talk about the money that guys like Chase Daniel made, you know, just holding a clipboard, you know, oh, it's a cushy job, you know.
Importance of Reliable Backups
01:34:18
Speaker
And I guess that circles back to the importance of of the of the conversation we had tonight. Because over the last three seasons, we are definitely over 60, I think it's 62 quarterbacks have played on average the last three years.
01:34:34
Speaker
You know, you've got to have, just like, you know, teams focused on left tackle years ago. Now they know, well, we better have a good right one. Well, now you better have a good backup because there's a good chance, you know, your backup is going to have to come in.
01:34:49
Speaker
Yep. Just so many different variables, added games, all that kind of stuff, like, It's the NFL shit happens and you got to have a plan. Yep. So Steve mentioned this name and this is why I had to let you guys go first because I had to look it up.
01:35:05
Speaker
And Matt Hasselbeck was with the Packers in 2000. He was. So I'm looking at his pro football reference and he had was for yards and one touchdown for the Packers.
01:35:24
Speaker
So ah that's right. that was to the That's why I had to look it up. And then Steve said it and i was like, ah, do I go look for something else? Because I had it in my mind that he wasn't there either.
01:35:39
Speaker
i didn't think he was. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, according to pro football reference, he had 99 and 2000 what he, when he spent his years in green Bay before getting shipped out famously for Amon green, uh,
01:35:54
Speaker
with Seattle. But if I had to go anyone, it would be Hasselbeck. I, and I know, and I know Goose said, you know, obviously that leaves out Rogers, but I don't think it does because I would still take a young Rogers to back up because you're not expecting him to start right away. It's just, if somebody goes down, you know, if Jordan Love were to go down,
01:36:19
Speaker
you know you have that guy in case well we know what rogers is rogers is a smart guy rogers has is a athletic guy he's got the ability so give me a young rogers behind love any day of the week and then maybe we can clone him you know rogers is a little bit of wackadoo with that stuff so we clone rogers let him sit behind love In 10 years, we'll send love to the Jets.
01:36:46
Speaker
We'll go back to Rogers. And then 20 years later, we'll send Rogers again to to the Jets. And we'll just keep going with the cycle. I mean, even Matt Flynn was a Jet for a very like hot minute. Like we are so in tune with our quarterbacks, you know, it's I can't even call it sloppy seconds, though, you know.
01:37:10
Speaker
But yes, that that would be my guy or I would have to throw Craig Nall in there as an honorable mention because he was a longtime Packer. And just to affirm what you said, Doug Peterson did come back for a little stint um after 2000, so he would be in consideration there.
01:37:26
Speaker
But side note on that, I wasn't a big fan of him when he was with the Packers, so you know i wouldn't have chose him anyway.
Conclusion and Social Media Interaction
01:37:34
Speaker
And on that note, we'll put a capper on this episode. We've had a lot of fun here. Steve, thank you so much for joining us to talk quarterbacks. um I know we've kind of dabbled in it, but please let everyone know where they can find all your work on the draft or any other NFL writing you do.
01:37:48
Speaker
Yeah, so the easiest way is just hop on over to, I can't call it X, I got to call it Twitter. Yeah, we do too. Where is it? There it is. I found it right there at Steve underscore NFL. That's also the handle for my YouTube channel. um The sub stack has been coming out not as frequently as I'd like because, you know, with all the podcast stuff, I would like the time to write more. But um yeah, that' will that's the center of the universe. So just follow me along there.
01:38:21
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Awesome. Awesome. Like I said, thank you so much for joining us. And um please follow us on your on Twitter at Ohana underscore Packers at Ohana Packers Edition on Instagram. We are still trying to get to 100 followers on Facebook. um so that we can when we do our day two live stream we can live stream both on youtube and there on facebook so please get us there we're gonna do our our drawing whenever we get to 100 followers so please help us out help you out if you are the one who wins it um please follow the podcast on your favorite podcasting apps please give us a like and a subscribe and yeah if you want your question read out on the show
01:39:01
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Please put it in. We're always happy to. So long as it's within the bounds of decent human being ah work. And otherwise, thank you again, Steve. Go Pack Go! And aloha!