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Animation Deliberation Invincible Season 1 Ep 1-4
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Our coverage of the first 4 episodes of Invincible on Amazon Prime.
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Introduction and Podcast Setup
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Hi there, Animation Deliberation listeners. This is your host, Jay Scotty. I just wanted to hop on real quickly before the beginning of this episode to say a couple things. First of all, thank you for listening. We are a brand new show, so definitely appreciate you giving us your listenership so early on in our existence.
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Um, with that in mind, if you don't mind going to, uh, you know, Apple podcast or your preferred, uh, podcast listening app or website, what have you. And just leaving us review. Um, I'm not going to say it has to be a five star review off the bat. Obviously we're.
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a new show and have room to grow and improve. So if you've got feedback in that regard, please go ahead.
Shift in Focus: Invincible Season 1
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And then the other thing I just wanted to say is, you know, if you've been listening to us in our first few episodes, we've been covering Young Justice. Fear not. If you've been watching along with us, we will return to our coverage of Young Justice very soon. I just wanted to take a quick break to hit Invincible before the new episodes come out because it's a brand new show.
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And there's obviously a lot of interest in there with it being an action animated series. So yeah, thanks for joining us and look forward to the continued coverage of Young Justice and enjoy this coverage of Invincible. Thanks.
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Alright, welcome back to the Animation Deliberation Podcast. On a very special episode of the Animation Deliberation Podcast, we're covering Invincible Season 1, Episodes 1-4.
Meet the Hosts: Jay, Zuhair, and Nathaniel
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All that and more, right after this.
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Sing along if you know the words. A one, two, three. It's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. All right. Welcome back folks. Um, as stated at the top, I'm your host Jay Scottie St. Clair, and I am joined as always by my co-host Zuhair Ali. How you doing Zuhair?
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The pollen is trying to get me to start sneezing and not talk, but it will not prevail. I am here to talk about Invincible.
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Excellent, excellent. It's always good to have you, my friend. And as I mentioned, this is a very special episode because we are deviating from our format for the first time by bringing on a third special guest host, and that is Mr. Nathaniel Muzzy. How you doing, Nathaniel? Good. How are you guys doing? Doing excellent. Thanks for having me. Yeah, yeah,
Adapting Invincible: Comic vs. Show
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of course. Yeah.
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We should state right off the bat that myself and Zuhair were not super familiar with the source material, Robert Kirkman's image comics, invincible. So I know you have a... You said you haven't read the entire series, but you're pretty familiar with the source material, correct?
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so I have read I believe the first two maybe three trades but that was years ago so I know a few things have already deviated from the comics
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But yeah, I was a big fan of them and I fell off just because I wasn't reading any comics and then The show came out and I was like I should watch the show and now I want to reread the comics So I guess it's doing its job Yeah, yeah, definitely. I I'm certainly looking forward to checking out the comics so they've been lauded for many years and I've always seen them on the shelves and thought I should check that out but
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kind of kicking myself for never having done so. This show is all about you kicking yourself or missing out on content, isn't it? A little bit. Maybe that's going to be the through line going forward. It is the podcast where we take action, animation, and cartoon seriously and where J. Scottie kicks himself to refer to myself in the third person there.
Themes and Style of Invincible
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But it kind of goes without saying, spoiler warning for both the comic potentially as well as the first four episodes of this Amazon series. We're a little bit late to the game, but I think it kind of works out nicely because everything that I've been able to research, I don't think it's official, but it looks like we're supposed to get somewhere in the neighborhood of eight episodes. So this should serve as a nice kind of halfway point.
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But before before I guess we dive too too deep into the specifics you guys just kind of want to give your overall thoughts Zoo here Holy fuck. I only watched this is how it went Jace guiding messages me. Hey, I want to do invincible go watch the trailer Okay, watch the trailer once I was like cool cast whatever we'll talk about it. Mm-hmm
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I made the mistake of watching the first episode before bed. I did not go to bed right after. I had no expectations going into the show. I had no idea what I was getting myself into, but it has not disappointed. Solid story, awesome character development within four episodes. Again, I have no background knowledge of any of this, but I'm very intrigued right off the bat.
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I barely have any speculations on where this is going to go. I'm all for the ride and I'm all for it. What about you, Muzzy? What do you think? I thought they nailed it.
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I don't watch nearly as much animation as you, although your podcast is pulling me back in. I'm starting to run out of free time, which is exactly the way we want things. But I thought they nailed the tone and feel of the comics. The animation felt good. It was visually interesting. The voice acting was really good.
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So yeah, overall, I'm thrilled about this series existing. I'm excited. I have Amazon Prime so I can just watch it. So yeah. Yeah, I'm right there with both of you guys. It's kind of not to bag on Amazon too much, but I really haven't had too many opportunities to queue Amazon video up since the boys has finished. I mean, to be fair, to be fair,
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Let's face it, Amazon is a service for two-day shipping that happens to have some media content. Oh, God, I miss when they used to ship. Like before the pandemic, they shipped stuff here in two days. Once the pandemic started, they were just like, oh, COVID delays. Ain't no big time for that. Now stuff is like three to five days. First world problems.
Character Analysis: Omni-Man and the Guardians
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Yeah, exactly. But back to invincible. As I was saying, you know, haven't had too many opportunities to queue up or excuses to queue up Amazon Prime, but since the boys that is. So it's nice to see that they've kind of find a nice niche in the indie comic book world. But I agree with you guys, it's got a star studded voice cast. The action is super well animated. I like how they are able to
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showcase these different power sets in unique ways that even though we've seen superheroes in live action, superheroes in animation for a few years now, they're able to showcase it in such a unique way. I was pretty impressed. And not to bury the lead, one of the reasons it kind of stands out so much is the gore.
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I'll say, let's get right into it. I mean, Zuhar, you said, holy fuck. My first thought was, holy shit. Just in that first episode. Email me and then tell us what your holy was.
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Holy cow's okay if you wanna keep it a little cleaner than we did. Netflix has really locked themselves up as the evil Superman streaming provider. If you needed evil Superman, Amazon is where you go. Oh, right, yeah. Between Omni-Man and Homewander, right? We're gonna have to start a bracket. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if this is anything like The Walking Dead,
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Robert Kirkman's previous materials like don't hold on to your darlings like anybody's fair game here as we saw with the Guardians of the Globe just we get introduced to them in the beginning of the episode in this nice you know
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whole team United save the president from these these mauler twins but what helped to make that final sequence so effective and what was very wise is that while the action was intense and they didn't really pull their punches there was never an excuse to showcase any gore like the way they they wrote that was was pretty much perfect because we find out later that the the mauler twins are not invincible they can certainly be
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torn apart, but just not by regular bullets. So yeah, go through this whole episode. What's that? Except arrival. That's fair, actually. Yeah, we did see that guy get shot right in the eye, but it wasn't too gratuitous. So that's why when we finally do see, you know, brains exploding and sliding across the floor, it's so shocking, but so effective, man.
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I'm just now, I'm sure I noticed this before, but I was just reminded that Seth Rogen was a producer on this and now I just can't help but think, um, Sausage Party meets the boys. Kind of what the show is to me now, sticking with it. But yeah, like we're watching the show while covering Young Justice. So naturally I was making my comparisons to like who they were as a Justice League because
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at the top of my head and just kind of like has DC and Marvel just kind of like set a standard of what kind of abilities we set from heroes or is it just kind of like if it if it ain't broke don't fix it but when this started I was like okay here's a bunch of new superhero team names that I have to learn but I'm just gonna call them by who I think they are
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even like on this wikipedia page it says she's loosely based off wonder woman he's loosely based off martian manner so it's like even wikipedia it's just kind of like this is what we're going off of and looking at this team i was like okay there's going to be some development i'll i'll get used to it whatever
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But at the end of the episode, when they just get slaughtered by Omni Man, I was like, how did I develop this much of a connection with these characters? Like, I feel really bad for them right now. And I know based off the characters that they resemble, like what they're capable of. And I'm actually like freaking out, like, no, like you're the heavy hitters. Why haven't you started punching him yet? Why haven't you done this? Like, I.
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They really made me care for these characters right off the bat and I was actually like feeling really bad when they all, let me just die, doesn't quite cut it, there's more gory word that must fit that standard more. And they do it, they do it in such a smart way how they endear these characters they're gonna kill off to you.
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The scene with Olga and Red Rush, like sticks out in my mind where she's telling him that, talking to him about, is it Aquas? The Aquaman... Aquarius, I believe.
Speculating Motives and Future Plot
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She says, well, he's a fish man. He probably doesn't have a lot of friends, you know, like instant that just that simple line that that scene helps you understand who these characters who are guardians of the globe are. And then literally the next scene, they all die.
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Yeah, yeah, it was a really smart way to do it. We get the little vignettes and it's interesting that you bring up Red Rush in particular because one of the things that stood out to me in that scene is when he was talking to Olga, he said normal conversations for him are like they drag on for an eternity. So I couldn't help but think when we're watching Omni Man crush his skull, like that probably lasted a lot longer for him than it did for us. And man, oh, that is, that's just brutal.
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The punches were wild too when he was like going in full speed and you see his knuckles breaking and his wrists like giving out. And I was like, oh god, they didn't spare any detail on this. Yeah. Yeah. It was intense. And then, uh.
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And you brought up Aquarius and the fact that she said he probably doesn't have any friends in the one scene that we got to see with him before he took off to meet up with the rest of the crew. He was sitting there by himself and he's like, finally some action. Like you just feel bad for him and he has like half a line.
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Well, it doesn't matter what universe it is, the Aquaman archetype always has to get a little flack. Just the nature of the character. And I love the fact that he is just a straight up fish man.
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Well, and they're able to build up, because we know who the Justice League are, they're able to help us work off of those assumptions. Oh, yeah. Very true. Very true. But one of the things I did, I couldn't help but notice being a fan of the behind the scenes stuff and the voice actors or whatnot.
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The Guardians of the Globe are basically a who's who of the Walking Dead cast. We've got both Immortal, the leader, as well as Aquarius that we just mentioned. We're voiced by Ross Marquand, so I'm sure plenty of people listening here are also fans of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He just made a recent turn as Red Skull in both Infinity War and Endgame. And then I'm not the biggest Walking Dead fan, so forgive me for not knowing who he plays on the Walking Dead. Do either of you guys know off the top of your head?
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I have not watched The Walking Dead. This is an animation podcast, it's all good. He definitely joined the scene later on. I only watched the first six seasons of that show, but that's neither here nor there. We had Lauren Cohen voicing War Woman, the Wonder Woman archetype. Red Rush, the Flash archetype, was voiced by Michael Kudlitz.
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And I kind of like the fact that they made him Russian. I imagine they just lifted that right out of the comic source material, but it's kind of nice to get the representation and the fact that this is a very much a global team. So this loss is going to affect the entire world. Yeah, they did a really good job with the inclusion and diversity aspect of these.
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Yeah, yeah. The Darkwing archetype was, I messed up. I didn't get this guy's last name, but it's Lenny. Lenny Michael James. Okay, Lenny Michael James, who was basically the character that shepherded Rick Grimes initially and then became like that hermit guy with the stick that went on to appear in the Fear of the Walking Dead as well. I should know that character's name, but I don't.
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Anyway, rounding out the cast there, we got Green Ghost, who was the Green Lantern archetype. I kind of like the way they subverted expectations there when she had her scene before the massacre, when you get the whole model photography shoot. They make you think it's going to be the model just with her having the shaved head and everything like that, but it turns out...
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it's the photographer so photographer representation there he goes there yeah and then finally martian man who's i for my all for my money is like basically the biggest straight-up rip i mean outside of his fire set basically being primarily focused on elasticity other than that he looks the most like the character he's he's based on it other than just like kind of elongating his head
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Yep, but he was voiced by Chad L. Coleman who was a was it Tyree Whatever I should I should stop trying to bring up the Walking Dead character some time with that ship. Okay, cool Thank you. We key. Yeah. Yeah, it really goes to show how effective this team was in the fact that I Don't know if it's if it's an act if
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If anything, later on in the comics spreads any light on it, but the fact that, you know, Omni-Man is basically beaten to within an inch of his life.
Character Relationships and Growth
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He's actually comatose when they find him there. There's something to be said. It wasn't, it wasn't an easy, easy thing for Omni-Man to do, or if it was, he's a really good actor.
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Yeah, and I'm not sure. I believe that is a deviation from the comics. I remember that turn going a lot faster. And I actually like how the TV show did it better, in my opinion.
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You got to see why, like, the Guardians of the Globe were a big deal. I believe in the comic he kills them all, like, really fast. Okay, okay. That would stand to reason. I know there are some deviations from the comic. I overheard an interview.
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with Robert Kirkman. I don't know if it was on Kevin Smith's or another podcast or YouTube channel, forgive me for not having that off the top of my head, but he basically said that Invincible came out in 2003 when he was 23 years old, so obviously through time he's learned to become a more effective storyteller.
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Yeah, it's just a super smart way to kick off the season. As I mentioned before, everything was kind of light, lighthearted and breezy and felt very much like a coming of age father and son story. And then just wow, just to... You're invited to take a vacation.
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You're invited to explore cypress swamps and magical gardens and float along the rushing waters of an old-fashioned swimming hole. Plan your journey at visitmississippi.org slash outdoor adventure. Mississippi. Wanderers welcome. Pool no punches and show us what this show is going to be about was a great way to hook me. And it sounds like you guys are on the same page there.
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Yeah, one of the things we talk about on the Young Justice part of our cast is that I don't like a Superman that's purely invincible.
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and I like that you know I like the one that like if he gets hit by a missile or has people in the league that are on his strength level like Captain Adam or Shazam or Aquaman or whoever so I like that they went with the approach that Omni man can go toe-to-toe with people like yes he's the most powerful but like not by much
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like two like immortal and war woman together were like giving him a run for his money like he was actually struggling he was taking hits he was going down a bit so things like that are really important to me where it's like if you have one person that like you just can't stop whatsoever it just it takes the joy out of watching it because then it's like oh well this person showed up its story's over
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uh yeah you know not to not to go back to the homelander comparison but one of the things about the boys and i get that this is one of the things that makes the boys interesting but no one in that series can touch homelander and and and that's their premise but like this to me like you said is more interesting because it's like
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Yeah, maybe maybe they could beat Omni Man, but like Obviously they haven't figured out that Omni Man is the one that killed the Guardians Although they're suspicious and they brought in my favorite character in the series and
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so far, and then they banished him to hell, which is a Hellboy analog. I don't remember him from the comics. He might be in there. But as a huge Hellboy fan, I just love that angle. Yeah, what's the character's name? Damien Darkblood?
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Yes. Yeah, he's super cool. And he's voiced by a very prolific, not only voice actor, but live action actor, especially within this fandom, Clancy Brown. So yeah, I would say he's as much of a Rorschach analog as he is a Hellboy. He's like, Hellboy meets Rorschach. Yeah, that feels right.
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I love how with Falcon and the Winter Soldier right now, they talk about how it's either aliens, wizards, or robots, and we've gotten all three of those in these four episodes already. That's a good point. To talk about the Gardens of Globe a little more, we mentioned that
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they get killed off so quick but the other two I guess all four episodes cover how much they meant to the world and how big the importance was because we get their funeral we get their memorials we see their family if I recall there was even a fish family under the umbrella you'd think they'd enjoy the rain a little bit more
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but we talk about like they talk about their stories more they go into red rush's red yeah red rush's girlfriend and how she's like coping with it and trying to sell her house and just mayhem in there and how uh debbie grayson has to kind of deal with like being a superhero spouse
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and they show the importance of all this and how it actually affects the world and what they mean to them and then you see how much the planet gets invaded on a regular basis too and how many villains are out there that they did a really good job at setting up how iconic this organization is right off the bat that bleeds into the other episodes.
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Yeah, yeah, I would definitely agree. And it's kind of interesting that we get a lot of that context, even though we don't get to spend the biggest amount of time with the Guardians on screen. A lot of the context and a lot of what we learn about them is through Omni-Man after the fact. Even though he was the one that brutally murdered them, he's the one that's being the face of the public. He's the one that's speaking at the memorial as well as the funeral.
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and I couldn't help but pick up on like a couple of like the little interactions like even when they were still alive when Immortal tossed the soldiers away and Omni-Man is kind of swooping in to save them all and Immortal doesn't think he's gonna get the last one and Omni-Man kind of almost begrudging is like I had him
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And J.K. Simmons
Exploring Plot Twists and Theories
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does a great job of just like towing that line. He definitely sounds exactly like what you want him to sound. He's got that fatherly, reassuring, nice gravitas to his voice. But there is that level of menace. And the writing for the dialogue does such a great job of conveying
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just how callous he can be in like small off-handed ways and it's almost like we the audience are starting to pick up on that just as his wife Deborah is starting to pick up on it as well.
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his his voice has a sense of like entitlement where it's like you all are beneath me and I'm going to make that very clear to you know your place I'm the strongest here and they give that dialogue a lot even in the opening scene with the guards and they're talking about how like they went through like super villain training it's like what are we gonna do just like stick around and then run and then talk about like how useless humans really are in this day and age
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But he does have that presence of like now I'm top dog. Well, what were your thoughts on on Omni man muzzy? Well, I was just gonna say They do such a good job with like the moments where Omni man snaps. Oh, yeah like Like JK Simmons just like can turn it on and then turn it off like so effortlessly
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And and to be honest, I didn't read enough the comics to know where it's going like I don't it seems like as soon as Mark gets his powers. That's when Omni man starts having
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having these snaps, and then he obviously kills the Guardians. But I don't know if those are related or not. I think Deborah even comments as much saying as such, yeah. Ever since Mark got his powers, that's when he's been a lot more short, prone to anger, and just, I think she even says just straight up mean.
00:25:52
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He seemed terrified when his son said that he had his powers too. Yeah, so that's like the big mystery to me is does marketing powers, did that change something about how Nolan relates to this world?
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Like I said, I haven't read far enough into the comics to know what that could or might mean but like It you know I feel like I read just enough of the comics for it to be perfect because it made me want to watch this series and then the series has me hooked I like Some of the things happening are retreads some things are definitely newer added in or probably from later comics added in earlier and
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But you know, I don't know where it's going. So I still get to experience the mystery. Yeah I will be curious to see how his relationship with Mark specifically like continues to develop because Right now it very much still is like he is the the father that's that's training him and even though there is obviously we as the audience know a lot more about
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his potential for evil, Mark's still clueless and Mark still wants to be just like him. So that's another really interesting narrative choice to take. And I imagine that's the same way in the comics there. But as far as his motivations, the only thing, like as far as dialogue that I could really pull
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is when he does go back to, I believe it was the Flaxens, is the name of this interdimensional species that it invades repeatedly during episode two. Anyway, when he flies back and basically lays waste to their entire society, he says something to the effect like, don't you get it? Earth is not yours to conquer. And I thought that was a pretty interesting word choice. He told a certain story to Mark, but
00:27:54
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I mean, he calls himself a protector, but What is it really? Yeah, I what's what's his definition?
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I do think we get the flashback where he's telling Mark about he came from this society and they send people out to protect all these planets. I think it's pretty clear that that's an unreliable narrator and that's not the entire truth.
00:28:26
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I think it's pretty well, I don't know if it's obvious. Maybe it maybe I'm just like projecting something in here. But I think he's sent to help conquer Earth. But my question would be why hasn't he done that? And how does Mark change that? But maybe like the concept of the Guardians were a threat.
00:28:54
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if he were to try to take over then he wouldn't write quite have the compliance of the people of the earthlings like knowing that they killed their heroes, so maybe now it's like this is how I Stand up above everybody else so that they're on my side and they welcome or they allow me to bring in more Bill Bill Trump's viltremites viltremites viltremites so they can bring in more viltremites and
00:29:24
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I feel like his son is what's stopping him because now that the globe isn't an issue, the guards of the globe aren't an issue, his son could be somebody that could reach the same power level and be a threat to him.
00:29:40
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I think you might be right on the money there because that would totally tie into the through line of Mark wanting to be just like him, but that being both a blessing and a curse potentially, and Mark having to decide whether or not he does want to be just like his father or not.
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Yeah, I mean the only other thing now that we're like discussing it is I'm remembering at the memorial when He's speaking about you know, which heroes will rise and fill in the Guardian's place He says he will first and foremost and then others like him and he looks to his son and that's actually one of the more like, you know positive and
00:30:24
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seems like genuine and tender interactions that he actually has that doesn't seem like it's being, you know, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Like he's, it's not a masquerade for a lack of a better term. It always seems like there's a bit of a facade, um, to Nolan Omni man, when he's interacting with Mark specifically, I would say.
00:30:43
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got that Lex Luthor charisma that he does that he does this this is a little bit of uh... reckless speculation but i wonder if i wonder if things change for Omni man because he was able to reproduce with an earthling and powers came through that like that seems to be what triggered this event so like
00:31:13
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I don't know what that means to the Viltromites, but like... Or maybe he was just planning this and wasn't planning on Mark actually getting powers.
00:31:24
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That totally could be the fact that Mark's powers have finally manifested, could signal that Earth is a planet that could potentially be cultivated.
World-Building and Government Dynamics
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Yeah, who knows what this state of Viltrum or the Viltrumites is. They could be a waning species that needs to find a way to breed. Yeah, exactly. I like that a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if that's at all.
00:31:52
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The best part of this rampant speculation is there's people that have read these comics for like 12 years, and they're like, you guys are so far off. Yeah, I know there were a few people like Aaron Deming, Sony Tetris. I think he's pretty familiar with the source material. He was excited for us to have this conversation. He's probably one of those people that's face palming right now. But hopefully the speculation's entertaining anyway. Yeah, I don't know. There's a certain fun in, like,
00:32:21
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Seeing people experience something you're a fan of for the first time. I hope we're giving that to invincible fans Certainly hope so. Yeah. Yeah But you know that that is a good opportunity. We've we've been talking about the show and the title character has come up a lot by way of his interaction with other characters, but
00:32:44
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Invincible, Mark Grayson is such a great lead character and Steven Yoon does such an awesome job of embodying not only that youthful idealism that you hear in his voice, but also the angst as well as the real disappointment
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And I guess there's a certain hopeful expectation wanting to rise to the occasion that's just broadcasted so well for the character and instantly endears me to the character.
00:33:20
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And it was hilarious that the fact that we first, the first time we see him, he's sitting on the toilet and his mom walks in on him. It's like, okay, that sets the tone for what you can expect in this series. Would you guys have any real big takeaways for his character arc? I mean, obviously he went through a lot in just these four episodes.
00:33:40
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I love the character obviously he's the title character you're supposed to love him but you know he's such a great analog for comics fans like he's a little awkward
00:33:56
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Um, he's, he's unsure of himself, but then, you know, he gets, he's gets these powers and he's still not coordinated. He's still not, you know, uh, he's still not perfect with him, but like he's a good guy. And like, what a, what a perfect character. Obviously they didn't have this in mind.
00:34:18
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when they were planning the show. But to have an Asian main character as your main guy when we're dealing with, you know, all of the all of the Asian hate and stuff that's going on in the U.S. right now, it's kind of nice to see like representation. And he was, you know, he they didn't change his race. He's half half Asian American, half vulture bite in the comics, too. Right.
00:34:47
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and you know it just it's it's kind of nice to not see just another white superhero we get a lot of those so yeah I thought I think he's great yeah yeah I don't want to steal in your thunders your hair but he definitely
00:35:06
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had his Steve Rogers moment that even before his powers manifested, he stood up to the bully and took the punch, which Amber comments on later on. A lot of guys have thrown punches for her, but he was the first one to take punches. Just kind of shows what kind of guy he is even before.
00:35:26
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He is quote-unquote invincible. Cue the title card. I like the way they throw the title card in. That is really cool. It's one of my favorite gags, yeah. My Marvel comparison was he reminds me of Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the sense where he's so excited to be part of a team and have superpowers and do this and do that until he realizes how traumatizing it actually is. And in his first encounter, he hesitates on his flying, on his punching.
00:35:55
Speaker
but like he has like witty remarks and comebacks for everything and he's wearing the suit and he's like a whole other person than when he's out of it so it's like anything that comes to his mind is very vocal and I really like characters like that so it's it's great how every time it's in a tense situation he just has like the right thing to say just to kind of give that little comic relief in a very intense show which as I've stated is there's a lot of holy fuck moments in the show so we kind of need that that commentary from time to time
00:36:25
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Yeah, you bring up that first battle and how traumatic it was for him. I immediately think of when he had that old woman and he's flying with her, cradled, and he gets shot in the back and goes for a tumble and winds up in that crater. And when he looks down at her, oh, her mangled limbs. Oh my god. I felt hot about that. It was rough. Yeah. Yeah, like...
00:36:48
Speaker
The tone of this show is so interesting because it's simultaneously bright and colorful. Everything's in the daytime for the most part, but it's hopeful and yet it's also just dark and traumatic. You know, you know, like it's it's just the duality of its tone is
00:37:16
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It's it's difficult but fun Mm-hmm. I mean in that same scene They're fighting these flax songs and it's almost comical because these these aliens just keep coming back and getting their asses kicked over and over and You you know like
00:37:38
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intermixed with all of this gore and horrible reality of what it what it's like to be a superhero like Invincible is still like excited to be a hero and optimistic and hopeful and like
00:37:53
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you know it's it's and and i think that's invincible himself is what sets us apart from the boys because the boys feels very hopeless a lot of the time true true yeah no and uh even in terms of like
00:38:10
Speaker
that that whole you know um the contrast between you know the bright and colorful character designs which by the way i just have to give a quick shout out to the character designs it's it's funny that he asks for something iconic which is really difficult to do in this modern age you know superheroes have been around since what like the the 20s 30s and they're still able to like every single character for my money uh
00:38:36
Speaker
There's obviously homage being paid to a lot of characters, but they all feel very unique and they stand out just like in my favorite animated series when there are multiple characters and a lot of action happening on screen. I never have a problem keeping track of where.
00:38:53
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anybody is but going back to what I was saying just about you know the contrast in terms of even the tone like as far as the pace of the show goes we get these nice character development moments and nice conversations and interactions and relationship building and then those are you know side by side with these
Training and Hero Development
00:39:13
Speaker
really bombastic over-the-top action set pieces that really don't hold any punches. I mean, we were just talking about that flax on invasion and you got duplicate running around constantly duplicating yourself while versions of her just getting sawed in half and you watch the organs spill out on the street and it's just like, okay, this is every day for these guys, but it's not every day for invincible. And he does a really good job of, you know,
00:39:40
Speaker
showcasing that trauma, but as you guys mentioned, just like with Spider-Man, it never gets him down. He's still the underdog. He's always going to get back up and keep on fighting. And I do believe a big part of that is he's looking up to the example of his father. And that's just a huge primary motivator for him.
00:40:00
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00:40:30
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00:41:00
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And as I've stated before, being a martial artist and someone who just enjoys action, media,
00:41:08
Speaker
When they show action scenes where there's like solid choreography and you can see like the motion that's happening in the exchanges between the characters, that really impresses me because the detail on every action scene is impeccable in this show. It's not, you know, Dragon Ball Z level action where they're just like disappearing and you hear and just kind of figure what's going on. Like the choreography, the animation, the style, all of it is it's very spot on.
00:41:35
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But you know speaking of that that flax on invasion I would say outside of Mark's relationship with his father first and foremost and then his mother Other than that like two of his biggest relationships at least in this set of episodes we've got
00:41:53
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were with Adam Eve who's a member of the team team which we met during during this action set piece as well as Amber which is the girl at his school which I mentioned earlier when he had that you know Steve Rogers moment taking the punch so
00:42:10
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you know it's it's kind of typical of a teen coming of of age stories got you know the romantic triangle um did you do you guys have i'm not one to like ship people and i even feel weird saying ship but do you guys have um or you know muzzy given your
00:42:28
Speaker
your knowledge of the the comic source material any any indicators of where you think the relationships are going to go or would do you have a preference of who he winds up with in that regard because so from from the comics i don't remember amber being in them uh okay i think i think she might be an added character or a character who appears maybe later okay um that that they they added from the start you know kind of kind of
00:42:59
Speaker
My guess is if he could rewrite the comics he would have added her from the start in the comics but We get Adam Eve does go to his school in the comics and she is dating Rexplosion in the comics, right? So that that line is there but we don't get the amber part and I think the amber part is really interesting to me because
00:43:27
Speaker
it forces him to stay in touch with his human side. And it gives us that Spider-Man balancing his superhero life with his hero life. Definitely. Or with his normal life. Yep. So I'm having a producer Ashley moment. Wikipedia says that Amber was redesigned from her comic book source to look more like her voice actress for the series. So it could have been somebody else and they like redesigned her.
00:43:54
Speaker
Okay, I know the form editor, but yeah, the actors is as he beats who has appeared in the number of comic book things already Yeah, she's Domino in Deadpool, isn't she? Correct. And then yeah, she's done. Yeah, she's Domino in Deadpool 2. Okay, and then she also showed up in Joker. She was Arthur's Love interest if you want to call her that yeah Yeah, that's right. Yeah
00:44:22
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Yeah, I just don't remember him having a girlfriend in the comics that Like I said, I I'm guessing she shows up later because From what I remember there just was not a lot of time spent at the school Okay, and I actually appreciate all the time they spend at the school like I think it's
00:44:46
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I'm a spider-man fan and that's like the spider-man part of this to me is like You know and invincible really isn't an album of spider-man Superboy sure, you know all the all these characters, but I don't know. I just I just like
00:45:07
Speaker
contrast of all these powers and he's still a little bit of a geek or you know socially awkward trying to figure out the world like I just I'm a sucker for that yeah I love that interaction they had the first time that he calls her and she basically says like you're terrified of me aren't you she she is just so so cool and
00:45:33
Speaker
far too cool for him. And like, you know, that's what makes it interesting. And then like, obviously contrasted with Adam Eve, who knows, knows who he is. Yeah, but I love that character. I like the triangle.
00:45:55
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You know, it's been interesting enough without going CW on me. You know, it's a love triangle, not a love Pentagon, Octagon. No one's been brought back from the dead yet. Not yet. That I know of.
00:46:14
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so I love it it's funny that you you mentioned the Peter Parker relation because as I said like on Wikipedia they're comparing all of these characters to like who they're loosely based off of and Adam East comparison is actually to Mary Jane in a mix of Carol Ferris oh sure yeah okay I guess Carol Ferris is more of the power set but
00:46:34
Speaker
Yeah with the the projection of Shields as well as projectiles. Yeah, but if I had to ship with one of them I think I I like him with Adam Eve more because as you said like she
00:46:51
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Amber kind of has that vibe of, oh, you're afraid of me. Whereas Adam Eve has like his friend William kind of like brings up the point of like, oh, you can't just go talk to Samantha. She's like the cutest girl. Like everybody wants to be Samantha's girlfriend or this and that. But she has a very comforting personality.
00:47:15
Speaker
Even if it even like seconds before she knew who mark actually was like she was easy to communicate with and kind of like weeding him through this process of being a hero and I guess I just kind of like that the the level of communication understand or like empathy that they have with each other Whereas like every interaction he's had with amber has been a rough patch whether it be through the bullying or him bailing on her because she was because he had a mission while she was over just like whatever the situation is like
00:47:45
Speaker
it feels like he has to work harder for something that's kind of a forced thing where it's like him and Samantha just kind of click.
00:47:52
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Yeah, that's a great point. And I wonder if it speaks to what Muzzy brought up, the fact that Amber keeps him grounded to his humanity. And maybe that will become more and more of a struggle for him. Obviously, it will be. And I think that's going to be one of the major through lines of the series going forward.
00:48:17
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But no, I definitely agree with you, too. As far as his interactions
The New Guardians Team
00:48:20
Speaker
with Adam Yves go, there was that really nice scene in the high school hallway right in front of the lockers. He's kind of at a loss for words, and she's like, do you need to talk about yesterday? You look like you need to talk about yesterday. I love that comforting personality so much. There's not too many people that can provide that. I was just going to say,
00:48:41
Speaker
the fact that Everyone in the in this little like love triangle the fact that they're all good Like and they they and both both of his potential love interests have such good points Makes me super afraid now that one of them is gonna die or mark is gonna do something that screws one of them over and I don't like it I don't like it
00:49:07
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yeah yeah i hope we only have a as yeah as much as we've made the peter parker comparisons here i certainly hope we don't have a gwen stacy situation um i hope he doesn't have to learn that lesson the hard way please please tell me the wikipedia doesn't say amber is based on gwen stacy thankfully it does not
00:49:25
Speaker
A Gwen Stacy archetype. I mean, regarding Adam Eve and relationships, like, man, did she get screwed over by Rex Blood in a very... Like, I was shocked, but I was laughing so hard when he came out of the shower with like three versions of Duplicate. I was like, holy shit!
00:49:46
Speaker
he's having the time of his life right now and because it's the guy who plays pimento in brooklyn 99 and um yep jason manzoukas and uh what was the character's name in parks and rec
00:50:01
Speaker
And parks and rec I do not know that I know that I need fine scene Okay, there's raffy in the in the league. Yeah, so like this is I love his persona so much and just the character that he had in Brooklyn 99 and hearing that voice I was like, oh you you are nailing this role, bud. Yeah, you actually
00:50:21
Speaker
That scene with duplicate actually brings up something interesting So so during the flax on invasion, we see all these duplicates dying, right? Yes And then during that scene she act the the shower scene. She says they're all the real me I noticed that too. So those aren't just like
00:50:41
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You know, copies are mindless. Those are actual living like clone people with like all of her memories and feelings and stuff that are just getting slaughtered in these scenes. I definitely picked up on that too. Yeah, which kind of ties back into like what I brought up about Red Rush. It's almost like you get
00:51:02
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You get to almost have a whole other level of appreciation for these extremely gory scenes. They're already so visually graphic.
00:51:12
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have that extra context to think about what's happening there. Oh, man, it makes it all that much more effective. Yeah. But actually, while we're on the subject of duplicate, when we went back to, or when we went to the prison scene where we had the Mahler twins escape, there was one cell that had a bunch of copies of this young Asian guy. And I just couldn't help but wonder. I was like, he has to be related to duplicate if not her brother
00:51:42
Speaker
or something like that. Yeah, I don't know, but that's a good point. I didn't notice him. Yeah, okay. But as far as Rex's explode goes, with his power set, it took me a little bit to understand exactly what was happening. At first, I thought maybe he was like an inventor Iron Man type, where he had projectiles that he created that he threw.
00:52:05
Speaker
But over time, I gathered that he was actually more like a gambit type, like he was able to charge just everyday objects and make those explode. I didn't fully understand that until I read the wiki page right before we started recording. Yeah, like he's he's got those change dispensers like they have at like baseball games and he's throwing coins at people. Right. Yeah. He says something to the fact that I'm out of pocket change here.
00:52:32
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but I don't think it's until episode four, or was it maybe, is it three when he has the showdown with Monster Girl? I think it's three. I think it's three, yeah. Anyway, he holds that baton up and that's where you actually see the hand go to the baton and actually cause the charging effect, yeah.
00:52:49
Speaker
Man, is it satisfying when Monster Girl whoops his ass. That was so great. It was. And yeah, Adam Eve chimes in, where no, Invincible's like, is this okay? She's like, he deserves it. And they're all like cool with each other at the end of the fight, but man, the side effect of her power is pretty bad. They used to call me Monster Woman, but I don't feel like explaining this every time.
00:53:18
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Yeah, that's pretty wild. You would think that Robot would have known that before he recruited her as a new Guardian of the Globe, which just backpedaling a little bit, we do get
00:53:31
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Having spent time with the teen team, Robot, who's their leader, who's voiced by Zachary Kinto, who does a great job of having that kind of emotionless, calculating voice. He is promoted to the leader of the New Guardians, and he recruits his new team, and we basically have these tryouts, which is where Rex and Monster Girl have their showdown.
00:53:56
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that cliffhanger with the robot and actually being a bad guy was like how are you messing with my brain this much every episode yeah because he's the one that lets the mauler twins out right yes they have an unseen benefactor for quite some time until he steps out of the shadows say it i'm the real one
00:54:22
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Yeah, they're a lot of fun, those guys. It is, it's so well written. Like the Mahler twins, it doesn't take you like, like they immediately show up and you immediately know like one's a clone, you don't know which one and they argue about it. And like it takes them two seconds for you to understand their whole deal.
00:54:45
Speaker
Yep. Yep. And then I noticed that the one that begrudgingly admits that he's the clone just to get freed from the cell, he's the one that actually ends up using the other one as the human, as the body shield. I can't say human shield because they're not quite human. I don't know what they are, but when he finally does clone another version, it's very clear that it's something to do with his blue physiology is what makes it possible. Blue-skinned, hyper-powerful superhumans.
00:55:15
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that's what he says long time adversaries to the guardians yeah but robot obviously has a keen interest in them because he's continued to like surveil what they're doing even in the midst of like guardian meetings like it's
Subplots and Future Developments
00:55:30
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there's a really cool scene transition where we were watching, you know, the mauler twin, the mauler twin make his new twin, his new brother. And then you kind of transitions right into a robots vision set where he gets interrupted by rexplode. And he says something to the fact that he was defragmenting. But obviously has a keen interest in their cloning process and even gets a blood sample from rexplode. So I have to imagine
00:55:58
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that it well we saw like a fetus a very gross malformed fetus thing growing in a in a tank so with that blood sample I imagine he's going to try and make that thing a little less deformed and maybe
00:56:13
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Transfer himself into a real body because there's been he had that moment with monster girl where? He tried to relate to her and say like, you know I know that how that feels to be looked at and not really understood for what you are and then she kind of Flippantly blows them off. What do you know? You're a robot. I actually feel kind of bad for him in that moment So I have to imagine what he's doing is has Something to do with giving himself a physical form got some red tornado vibes. Oh, he's I
00:56:38
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Ooh, there you go. Yeah, he's Ultron-ing. Yes, even his head shape is very Ultron-esque. It's cool that the robot actually gets the leadership position. Because I thought it was Adam Eve, but the way that he was actually carrying himself and being the primary source of communication and whatnot, I was like, oh shit, they actually gave the robot the leadership position.
00:57:00
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Yeah. Well, and robot robot is super likable. Like, like he was maybe my favorite like character. And then like the heel turn comes and you're like, oh, just don't get attached to anybody. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:17
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It's like, oh, I like you. You're probably gonna die soon, aren't you? While we're on the subject of Robot and his new appointed leadership, the person that gives him that role is this character Cecil Steadman.
00:57:36
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and I've never wanted to focus on negatives too much but as talented as the voice cast is and as strong an actor I know Walton Goggins is this is this is one that I just felt like was a little bit of a miscast I don't know if it's just the character design not matching the voice or him just kind of
00:57:58
Speaker
mailing in his performance or what, but it's just one that's kind of not really, anytime that character's had significant amounts of dialogue, I find myself checking out a little bit. I don't know if you guys had any strong feelings as far as that goes. No, I thought it was pretty appropriate. Okay. I think I'd agree with Jay Scottie for the most part, maybe not as strongly as Jay Scottie feels. I didn't check out, but like,
00:58:29
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It's when you have a Nick Fury or an Amanda Waller who he's very clearly an analog to You kind of expect when they talk people listen And I know that's just not the character that Cecil is like the heroes kind of ignore him a lot. Yeah but
00:58:53
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He just, it doesn't feel a lot of times like he has the gravitas you'd want him to have. That's fair. Yeah.
00:59:04
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But from Spider-Man Far From Home, the line, are you ghosting Nick Fury? And it feels like everyone in this universe is kind of ghosting, ghosting C. I loved his line about like, I can't teleport right at your front door. Sorry if I was off by a little bit. Show it up in your living room.
00:59:28
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Don't you buy that no? No, I didn't but I love the excuse of just kind of like I just kind of picked this general area low-key, I think my favorite like C tier character is Cecil's
00:59:47
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Clark Gregg, Agent Coulson, analog, who's just like always there. Especially in the scene where they're sending dark blood back to hell. That's level seven shit right there.
01:00:04
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Yeah, well you've got this bookie nerdy like secret agent like Repeating these demonic incantations Yeah, it's interesting how much Cecil knows about the Omni man attack though because he doesn't want What was it dark blood? Yeah dark blood to
01:00:31
Speaker
to get any closer. It's like he senses that he's getting close to figuring out what happened. He's kind of like, nope, you figured it out. Back to hell with you. Like the idea that he knows that Darkblood and Cecil both know Omni-Man. They're both, you know, fairly sure and they're both figuring out. But Cecil
01:00:51
Speaker
has the wits about him to know that like hey we can't just like we can't just out this like it's got to be handled and darkblood is darkblood only cares about the truth right and that's going to be a problem because omni man's going to slaughter all of us or could
01:01:11
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Yeah, it's very much Watchmen-esque in that sense there. Dr. Manhattan has the potential to wipe out everything, and the one thing that's standing in his path is the immovable object, which is Rorschach, and we already made the
01:01:29
Speaker
analogy there. But yeah, I outside of his interactions with Damien Darkblood, which ultimately, ultimately lead to them excising him back to hell for at least for the time being, I'm hoping I'm hoping that character comes back because he's so great. And the way they introduce him, you know, with people, their breath showing because he makes the room cold. And
01:01:53
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Yeah, even the character design, I was so glad when he finally tipped his hat to Deborah, and we got to see that that wasn't hair, that was just a continuation of that white get-up that he's got, which... I don't know why I appreciated that so much. I just like knowing that that wasn't hair. Other than that, though, yeah, for Cecil,
01:02:21
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Outside of his interactions with Damien and assembling this new Guardians team, the big thing that he's doing is trying to get Nolan off planet. Yeah. Yeah. The first time is with Alan the Alien, who was voiced by Seth Rogen, who we mentioned was a producer. It was great to hear his voice instantly recognizable. Oh, yeah. I love it. It was so funny, because you think it's going to be this big,
01:02:48
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action set piece and it is in a lot of ways we got you know him slamming him into the satellite as well as into the moon but then they finally just sit down and have a conversation and it's like oh this was just a misunderstanding you're looking for u-rath yeah i hope that character returns oh yeah definitely how do you breathe in space you don't so um other than
01:03:13
Speaker
that time that he tries to send Nolan to fight Alan and it ends up being Mark instead. The next big time is in episode four when they have to accompany the Mars mission. They want it to be to Nolan specifically to get him off planet and that's stated outright in the episode.
01:03:33
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but Mark kind of continues to step up and as much as he thinks he's doing the right thing, he's actually a foil to this ongoing investigation. Did you guys have any big mentions for that, that whole space mission for Mark or how it impacts, you know, either his relationship with the investigation or OmniMan for that matter? Well, he's going to bring in... I love the sandwich gag.
01:04:02
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Bring a lunch, kid. And then the sandwich is just freeze-dried in space. Pack a lunch, my ass. This is like the lowest-stakes bet ever, but I would definitely put money on those face-hugger aliens being important down the road. Yep, that's a safe bet.
01:04:27
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yeah safest bet in the history of safe bets yes indeed yes indeed I guess it was kind of they did a nice job of like bookending that episode with like you know tying the themes all together because we open that episode with
01:04:44
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Mark flying with his father across the Sahara and he had the problem of flying too low and creating a sandstorm and Eventually, he was actually able to use that, you know as a strategy to blind the Martians the only the other thing I wanted to pick up as far as him being in space that really got a laugh out of me is that we saw that that vulture like character biplane that through into space in episode one he was just flying out there
01:05:14
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Yeah. And he says, when in doubt, throw them into space. It works. It definitely does work. It does. I like the point of they wanted the mission on Mars to be a success for humanity, and they were trying to keep the hero hidden at that point. These superheroes have taken the spot for so long that it's like, we need humanity to show that they're still useful in something like this.
01:05:44
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, it just goes to show the nature of the world. We kind of touched on it earlier But
Wrap-up and Listener Engagement
01:05:50
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they've done such a great job of establishing a world that includes You know the sci-fi the aliens as well as the extra dimensional stuff as well as the magic and the demonology It just feels like this world that's like, you know lifted right from the pages of of your favorite comic book worlds any there's the potential for dragons and
01:06:10
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It makes me super excited to see what other obstacles our main characters are going to face going forward. I think that kind of brings us to a good wrapping up point. Did you guys have any other big standouts from this particular set of episodes or any characters you wanted to bring up? I know we didn't really mention some of the, there were a couple of other new characters that joined the new roster of the Guardians of the Globe, Shrinking Ray and Black Samson.
01:06:41
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Got some nice moments in terms of like showing their their powers and then For black Samson in particular. It seems like there might be some vying for leadership so Definitely gonna be some growing pains for this this new group Not to mention the fact that we got that revelation with their leader robot that he's up to Some more nefarious stuff, which we mentioned
01:07:07
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And like I said offline, we've been watching Young Justice so much that as soon as the voice actor kicked in for Black Samson, I was like, oh, let's call her on. I kind of heard that voice every day for the last couple of months now. Yeah, Kari Patton is...
01:07:23
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I was like, now we're dealing with leadership struggle again, too. It's like, come on, buddy, you'll get there one day. Yeah. I do like the idea that like he was an original guardian who lost his powers. Oh, they do drop that. Yeah. That little tidbit there. I didn't catch that. Yeah. Rex is kind of rubbing it, rubbing it in a couple of different times because he says, didn't I make that crack already? Yeah. Oh, it says it in the description too. Hmm.
01:07:54
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So it'll be interesting to get more backstory there. And then Shrinking Ray just kind of seems like, you know, she's bringing her best, she's bringing her A-game, but she doesn't have a lot of patience for people that aren't doing the same. And rightfully so, they were being pretty petulant there. Adam even is just running solo now, right?
01:08:14
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Yeah, she said she couldn't be on a team with duplicate and rexplode. And if it hadn't been for that, I couldn't help but notice, like, Robot basically would have just taken his entire old team and put her on the new team. It's like, nah, you sure there's not a bias there, buddy?
01:08:31
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I guess it's worth mentioning the one thing that happened in episode 4 that seemed entirely removed from the rest of the show that'll be interesting to see how that ends up tying back in was that whole scene in Egypt where we get a guy resurrecting a very mum-ra-like character.
01:08:52
Speaker
yeah i don't know if that's good i feel like there's a 50 50 shot of that being super important or just being a throwaway gig for the sandstorm that comes after invisible okay okay you that would be hilarious if that's all that ends up being like but but this show like
01:09:13
Speaker
And I remember the comic too. Like little innocuous things tend to come back later. Like small things were important in the comic. I remember that. So like it definitely could be like next season that's a big deal. And like this is the origin for it that we got to see way back in episode four.
01:09:42
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All right, well, yeah, definitely something to look forward to as well as, you know, we, as we've highlighted on this entire episode, we've been introduced to a wonderful cast of characters, chief among them, our title character, invincible. Again, cue the title card.
01:09:59
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So in the next coverage that we do for Invincible, again, as I stated at the top, we don't know exactly how many episodes are in this first season, but we're going to assume that it's eight. So once these next four episodes have come out, stay tuned. We will have our follow-up episode coming up very shortly after that. So, Muzzy, again, thank you for your time. Zuhair, thanks as always for being here.
01:10:28
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I'm Jscotty St. Clair. You can follow me on Twitter at Jscot for real. That's number four and R-E-E-L. And please go to StrandedPanda.com, join the Stranded Army, and check out the list of awesome shows we've got there.
01:10:46
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast is kind of the flagship show that started this network that's got a great family of shows. They include the Star Trek Universe podcast, the Star Wars Universe podcast, superhero ethics, as well as Benjers, which Muzzy just recently appeared on for the Godzilla versus Kong.
01:11:06
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All those legendary monster pictures so you guys got any stuff you want to plug go for it I guess I I don't have any projects going on personally like you said I was doing the monster verse episodes on bingers Otherwise, let me just plug stranded panda trivia every Wednesday night twitch.tv slash stranded panda TV
01:11:29
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You'll find most of us hanging out there afterwards during the after dark. So come hang out. If you're an adult, have some adult beverages. And watch Zuhair Cyberman. No one is safe in code names. What you got, Zuhair?
01:11:54
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Yeah, if you want to look into my personal nonsense, you can look me up at zu786 at Z followed by 5u's on Twitter.
01:12:03
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Very good. And then I should say we did create a Gmail for the show. So if you've got feedback and want to interact with us outside of the Stranded Panda chat, it is animation deliberation podcast spelled exactly how it sounds at gmail.com. So hit us up with some feedback there. We'll look forward to interacting with you that way as well and incorporating your feedback into the show. So.
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