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Sarah Boone
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This week on the Mothers of All Crime Podcast we are chit chatting about Sarah Boone. Sarah is accused of murdering her boyfriend Jorge Torres Jr by zipping him into a suitcase. At first Sarah claimed this was a terrible accident during a fun date night. After damning video footage was discovered the story changed entirely. This case is ongoing with a firm trial start date of 10/7/24 with her NINTH attorney. Join us as we discuss this unusual death and the turbulent relationship leading up to it.
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Transcript
Introduction and Case Overview
00:00:22
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Mothers of All Crime. This is a podcast where we deep dive into mothers involved in infamous crimes and scandals. I'm Monica and this is Crystal.
00:00:49
Speaker
Our mother this week is Sarah Boone. yeah I feel like Sarah is like TikTok famous. I feel like she just went overdrive and that's where I originally found her out.
00:01:04
Speaker
So I originally saw her on JCS, criminal psychology, which like they have YouTube videos with interrogations and things like that, looking at like the psychology of people who are being interrogated. They're very interesting. And Sarah, that's how I was introduced to her, was watching her, like the body cam footage and interrogation tapes. So she made quite an impression on me. I'm assuming it's similar stuff that you're seeing on TikTok.
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah, which I feel like my TikTok is just filled with creepy cases and Trader Joe's new release items. So I get a nice balance. Yeah, I mean, I do love Trader Joe's for the footage that came with this one. So yeah, and then who doesn't love Trader Joe's? Absolutely, absolutely.
Sarah and Jorge's Relationship Dynamics
00:01:54
Speaker
So we could give like a little bit of background, like basically Sarah Boone,
00:02:01
Speaker
was a 42-year-old woman living in Winter Park, Florida. She was divorced. She had a kid. She's living with her boyfriend, Jorge Torres, Jr., who was also called George. It seems like everybody interchangeably calls him Jorge or George, so I don't think it really matters. We could also call him Torres, but that's the same guy. um They were living together for, I think, three years in a condo together.
00:02:28
Speaker
um Yeah, they got together in 2017 and definitely had a very tumultuous relationship, to say the least, where yes i think there's a lot of history of domestic violence. So I couldn't find, and maybe you did, a bunch about either of their past relationships. Because like you mentioned, Sarah was divorced. She has one son, is in contact with her ex-husband.
00:02:57
Speaker
George has three kids. I couldn't find too much about his, like, relationship history, but there's a ton of evidence about their domestic between each other for sure.
00:03:11
Speaker
So i I watched a lot of different YouTube videos of family members and things like that, people being interviewed and police officers being interviewed, like just things about this case. And people were alluding to domestic violence in his past, but there wasn't anything extremely specific. I did watch one video that said that Jorge's brother um murdered his girlfriend. i don't I could not find that today when I went to verify it. But apparently, someone is saying that that has that this is like a family where there has been violence in the situation. But I couldn't substantiate it today. So it's just like a baseless accusation. But I'm gonna i'm gonna go with it for now.
00:03:56
Speaker
um I feel, unfortunately, a lot of that kind of stuff is a learned behavior, where if that's what you see in a home growing up, typically, I don't know, maybe not typically, but a lot of the time there are, that's how it continues generationally, because it's seen, yeah they don't know any better, which not that it makes it better, but it at least gives some kind of understanding to some people's behavior. So it makes sense if his brother did have that history.
00:04:26
Speaker
There's also been a lot of talk about alcohol and substance abuse with both of them prior to being together and definitely together. And it seems like everything was worse when alcohol was involved.
00:04:40
Speaker
yeah Yes, yes. No question about their alcohol abuse, but I think it's funny because as we are going to start talking about it, Sarah kind of denies that.
Legal and Social Entanglements
00:04:52
Speaker
However, there's so many other people around her be like, no, she's an alcoholic, like consistently. so It seems like everybody except Sarah knows that.
00:05:04
Speaker
right, which, you know, I'll call them in its finest, but it would also wouldn't go well for her and the story she originally presented if she had been drinking. So right, before we get into the actual incident, I think one thing for me that struck out was it's not one sided with domestic. So a lot of times you have just one aggressor in the relationship and the other is primarily more of a victim. And then this one is kind of interesting because it seems that both of them
00:05:44
Speaker
are aggressors in different points. Because you have George, 2019 specifically, was arrested three separate times for domestic violence. And every time Sarah did bail him out and brought him home, but it got to a point where he actually had a no contact order placed by the courts against him for Sarah.
00:06:09
Speaker
that he violated and went right over. And so there's no report saying like Sarah necessarily invited him. She might have, but then it continued on and he was taking domestic violence classes. He was on parole, but then again, in 2018, Sarah herself was arrested and charged with ah assault and battery by strangulation against George.
00:06:38
Speaker
so They were both arrested that night though. yeah and Sarah had like visible injuries and so did so did Torres. like so That incident, Sarah had a black eye and Torres had marks on his neck and they were both arrested. Only Sarah's charges were dropped though.
00:06:59
Speaker
Yeah, because like in those circumstances, the police couldn't figure out which one of them was the aggressor. So they have to legally arrest them both. And I will say, as I watched videos of Sarah, like she's very good at talking. And I think a lot of people, including law enforcement, struggle with the idea of the females being the aggressors a lot of the time. So if you I think this is hindsight. She utilized the fact that she is a female. She's a very convincing. There is a history with Torres being the aggressor.
00:07:42
Speaker
kind of for them to believe that she was just responding. so Right. Well, in in cases where the police show up and there are two people with injuries, two people out of control, two people yelling, the cops have been called on them. They're not actually the ones making the complaint some of the time. Some of the times it's the neighbors saying, there's a violent situation happening here.
00:08:08
Speaker
It's hard for the police to show up after the situation's happened. Everyone's injured and determine who is the actual cause. and I think in these cases of like mutual abuse or abuser and retaliator, it it gets so that the lines get extremely crossed between who is the victim, who is the perpetrator, everyone just needs to separate. I was confused about the no contact order because I did see that. My understanding was that a no contact order is even more serious than a restraining order. and that so It doesn't even really matter matter if Sarah had invited Torres back
00:08:48
Speaker
because the court is the one that took out the no contact order. Yeah. Is that not correct? Yeah. This is one thing that I think is complicated for both of those. So by definition, a restraining order is temporary. They typically last for a year. They are issued by the courts.
00:09:08
Speaker
um but those do take into into consideration kind of the victim's opinions and things like that. And the victim has to renew that every year if they want to maintain it. um The new contact order is a binding one where it can only be stopped by the removal of a judge or the district attorney. So it is definitely, you're right, a lot more so serious and a lot more impactful. But then again, for both of these,
00:09:37
Speaker
that there should be no contact either way. And he shouldn't have shown up regardless. And a lot of those, unfortunately, particularly with domestic abuse, there is that cycle and the love bombing and the gaslighting that comes with that relationship. A lot of the times the victims of these invite the their partners back because that's the habit and a lot of them rely on them.
00:10:07
Speaker
So that's the defense a lot of times as well. Oh, they were, they invited me over and that's why I broke the restraining order or um they called me. So I picked up. So it's not my fault. The no contact order was violated. And that's why I like dug into it because if there was contact initiated or if he was just showing up.
00:10:35
Speaker
I think that would have said something drastic about like how justified the order was. Because if they're just showing up and they're uninvited and she's like, I don't want you here.
00:10:50
Speaker
then to me that says like it's more justified than if she's like she was trying to get out because there are comments of like Sarah reaching out to people like I think it was the landlord or the property manager whatever her position was her name was Melissa. I think she's the property manager. property manager Like Sarah would have conversations with her about like getting him off the lease or advice about maybe how to like get out of the relationship or if she was going to do it. There's moments like that that would made me think, okay, like there's no contact order was like a step in the right direction for her to move on because he can't live with her with that. But if she didn't want it and it was just put onto the relationship, I don't know.
00:11:40
Speaker
that's i don't I tried digging into it and I could find absolutely nothing. Well, I think that you were very correct when you say that it's a habit. And I think that they were in a very toxic cycle of fighting, having explosive arguments, and then like a period of calm where they would be very happy. And then it was just like this terrible cycle of up, down, up, down, up, down in the relationship. And people people in their complex were aware of it. People that worked there were aware of it. Their family and friends were aware of it. But I think that it's very hard to actually keep people separated because unless you're actively being monitored by the police, you can do whatever you want in your in your own
00:12:29
Speaker
home in your own bedroom. like No one's keeping track of you really. So unless you're coming to the attention of law enforcement, which they were occasionally, but it's not every day, like you can still get away with it a lot of the time. And I'm sure that that's how they justified it to themselves. like We won't fight tonight. like We could hang out tonight, but we're not going to fight tonight. So no one will know about it. her And if the courts don't know, then there's nothing they can do.
00:12:57
Speaker
Absolutely, but it's it was funny, not funny, haha, but like ironic that Melissa was having these conversations with Sarah, but then she actually had a conversation with Torres and he confided in her that Sarah was actually the aggressive one and She kind of believed it because she had personal experiences of Sarah like putting grabbing at her and Being so drunk that other people in the office would avoid her and not want to speak to her at any cost They would both be drunk at 9 a.m. Sarah would be wandering the complex like half dressed and
00:13:47
Speaker
being belligerent. Bizarre behavior. yeah yeah Yeah. So it didn't seem during her interviews that she was shocked that Sarah may possibly be the aggressor. But she had also seen the bruises all over her body that would have came from Torres. So it it was kind of, that's my first moment of like, OK, maybe it's both of them. Maybe it's not one or the other.
00:14:18
Speaker
Yeah, at this point in the story, it feels mutual. Yes. So they're a toxic couple constantly breaking up, constantly getting back together. There's a lot of alcohol abuse. There's been police contact, legal battles. And at this point, they're cohabitating in February of 2020.
00:14:39
Speaker
which is right before the pandemic kicked off, um which does matter for this situation. But this is prior to like February 25th, 2020. People in Florida have not been worried about COVID yet. Yeah. Did they though? It took a while. Did they turn? It took a long time for it to hit Florida. But in February 2020, most people in the United States were not worried about COVID.
Incident on February 24, 2020
00:15:09
Speaker
um and And Sarah and her boyfriend, Jorge Torres, had a fun night on February 24th, 2020. They drank one singular bottle of wine, they were painting, they were doing puzzles, and then they decided to play that age-old game, Hide and Seek.
00:15:31
Speaker
This is what Sarah's version of events are anyway. And my understanding of the timeline is that at 11 o'clock the next morning, Sarah woke up, but she didn't actually get out of bed until 1230.
00:15:52
Speaker
And then her ex-husband had been calling her all morning. She called him back. And instead of confirming that she was going to pick up their son from school, she said she told him to come over and he came over and he is greeted with a body that has been pulled out of a suitcase. Sarah had forgotten and went to sleep the night before having helped her boyfriend get into a large piece of luggage
00:16:26
Speaker
which she says that she left two inches open for him to be able to get out. It wasn't fully zipped according to her. And then she just had forgotten and she went to sleep and she woke up the next day and realized, oh my goodness, he must still be in the suitcase. So she, instead of calling 911, calls her ex-husband, he drives 10 minutes over to her house and he tells her to call 911.
00:16:52
Speaker
Bizarre. so So many comments. So bizarre. My first, and this is probably shouldn't have been my first response, but does this girl not know how to play hide and seek? Yeah, I know. It's like if you're helping him hide, then it's going to be very easy to find him.
00:17:11
Speaker
Right. And there was another version. She stuck with this version to yes say this. But in one of the interrogation conversations, she was like, yeah, I helped him into the suitcase for his hiding spot. Then I went and hid in the shower and I got tired of waiting for him. So I got ready for bed and I went to sleep. I'm sorry. What?
00:17:40
Speaker
o that's not how you play the game. You, you have a child, you are fully aware of how how to seek works. Well, she wasn't that involved. Yes, that is true. just But still, common sense. yeah Yes, agreed, agreed. I mean, the basic tenets of the game were not played correctly. That's definitely true. I think that
00:18:11
Speaker
The whole story, i mean she this is the version that she gives to the police when they come. yeah After describing George to the 911 operators as stiff and purple when they were telling her to do CPR, they finally arrived and he was very dead and could not be revived.
00:18:32
Speaker
and she was waiting to go. This I thought was so bizarre. Before she actually went with the police to go to the head like to go to the police station and give a statement, she was outside and all the body cam footage of her is so
Sarah's Behavior and Evidence
00:18:48
Speaker
bizarre. She keeps asking for cigarettes. She is asking for her Dr. Pepper. She keeps trying to go back inside. She is not seeming upset at all. and She's basically belligerent. like She is not
00:19:05
Speaker
She's like getting so annoyed at the officers and yeah she's infuriating. Oh, ah I completely agree. I actually had to like pause the recording because I just couldn't I couldn't wrap my head around any of it because the 911 call, she starts off very calm, like calmer than she should be. And as the 911 call continues, she's saying that she's doing CPR. And then as the call goes, she's becoming more and more frantic during the call. But did it start that way, which seems very
00:19:55
Speaker
a little unnatural but also devil's advocate maybe like as she's talking to them it's hating her and that's when she becomes frantic but either way it feels very fake and like planned. And then you have the body cam footage, coupled with her calm collected, but then also like, belligerently obsessed with her drinking her water and getting back inside the house and not upset that her boyfriend and part live in barner is dead. But upset she she's parched and has cotton mouth and and needs a beverage.
00:20:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think that she kept forgetting that she was supposed to be very upset. That's what it seemed like to me. It's like I kept clicking in her head like, Oh my gosh, I'm supposed to be very, very upset right now. But and also she seemed concerned for herself. Ex-husband before she called the police. Yeah, there was a huge delay.
00:21:02
Speaker
Even in her best version of it, her story, she still waited like 30 plus minutes to call an ambulance. I mean, I guess she already knew he was dead, but like, uh, you still think so awkward when the EMS showed up. Cause the EMS showed up, he's purple, clearly not alive. They, they kind of were just like, there's nothing we can do. Like I don't know why I'm here. like Yeah. I mean, when they did the autopsy, they said that he'd probably already been dead for 11 hours by the time he was discovered, which is... At least 11 hours. Yeah, that was the minimum. That's an extremely long time to just be asleep and just not even realize. like I mean, really, just to sleep for 11 hours is long. Oddish.
00:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, it was that half of a bottle of wine. Yes, ah too much wine for the alcoholic. Right, exactly. And we don't know what size bottle. True. That's fair. That's a good point. Not better, but a decent. um So speaking of his autopsy, um he was determined to be at least 11 hours had been passed. He was found to have a black eye scratches and bruises all over his body, and it was determined he died from positional excisia with emotional, excuse me, environmental suffocations that was consistent with overall prolonged confinement, aka the suitcase.
00:22:42
Speaker
And with that kind of as association, your bodies literally will turn bluish purple because there's no oxygen. And it's simply from like to get in a suitcase, a grown adult isn't just like squatting in it. Like you have to.
00:23:00
Speaker
ball up, fetal position, neck tucked. And with the way that your head's positioned, there's no, even with the air circulation, because a suitcase has a little air, but you're not going to be able to get the enough air into your body to not associate. It makes me feel like really claustrophobic to think about this. I just knew fear unlocked.
00:23:30
Speaker
the literal horror of being stuck in a suitcase like this. i mean i I watched the body cam footage, so I saw the suitcase. It was big, but it was not like not for an adult to be shoved into. I feel like he probably had to be in the fetal position, which would explain, I think, the positional asphyxiation that he was having because you can't breathe for long periods of time in that position and he had a terrible death and we know that. Sarah, although she forgot, took videos on her phone while he was in the suitcase and they are so disturbing to listen to.
00:24:21
Speaker
This is also one of my favorite parts about this case because she literally had no clue. She had to have been so drunk during this because during her interrogation with the police at the beginning, she kept saying that there was abuse, he was this horrible person that, and that's why she wasn't super upset. And they were like, okay, well, he has all these bruises all over his body, where'd they come from? She's like, I don't know, when you find out, you tell me, so then I know, but I have documented all of his abuse on my cell phone. You took my cell phone, all you have to do, look at it, you'll find all the videos of him being this horrible person.
00:25:07
Speaker
So they did that and found bra two eleven two long videos, 11 minutes between the two videos of him inside the suitcase and her laughing.
00:25:28
Speaker
He's pleading for his life. ah And he's like moving around. things Like you can see him trying to like bust out of the
Incriminating Videos and Suspicions
00:25:37
Speaker
suitcase. Like he's pushing on it. He's, he's bumping up the sides. He's begging. He's saying he can't breathe. And oh yeah, if anybody listens to it, it is him just responding. I can't breathe. Babe, I can't breathe. And her laughing and going, well, that's on you. This is what it's like when you do this. So this is what you get over and over again.
00:26:05
Speaker
She's like, this is what it feels like when you cheat on me. This is what it feels like when you strangle me. And he's literally begging for his life. Right. So I don't know if you've noticed, but in the two different videos, obviously timestamped because 2020, there's 11 minutes between these two videos. And in between the two videos, their suitcase had been moved.
00:26:31
Speaker
and it went from the zippers being down on one side so the opening for him was on the ground like there was no unless he busted through like the whole in a t-shirt he's not getting out and in the second video the suitcase had been flipped over and in a different location and then you have the next video of the exact same thing which
00:26:58
Speaker
So at that point, she's not just locking him into a suitcase. She is mo and moving a suitcase with a literal body in it.
00:27:12
Speaker
So I did hear one. I'm not sure where this was from, but it was a neighbor said that they heard a huge crash. And there's a theory that she threw the suitcase down the stairs.
00:27:27
Speaker
Yes, so their next door neighbor, but there's body cam footage of the police officer to kind of doing their normal investigation. And the neighbor goes, yeah, you know, about 1030 or 11 o'clock, I heard a massive crash kind of coming from like the upside all and it sounds like something fell down the stairs.
00:27:50
Speaker
And he kind of kept talking. but wasn't There are very thin walls in this complex. And so he was no stranger to their fights. and I wish we could have pictures of the whole house because they're they probably have that in front like there's no proof of it ish but he has covered in all these bruises and cuts and two vocations all you gotta do is take pictures of the house and match them to the video
00:28:23
Speaker
that I think is gonna come out. I think she did push him down the stairs, because what else would have made that noise around that timeframe?
00:28:34
Speaker
I mean, she was drunk, she could have dropped something down the stairs, she could have fallen down the stairs. There are other possibilities. It would be hard to say because with the injuries that he had, the scratches and bruises, that also could be explained by like a physical altercation they got into prior to the suitcase. um It may come out though, I wouldn't be surprised if there's scuff marks, if there's some sort of evidence Oh, I just mean more like the background and the videos of the two videos. If they're in different locations, if one is upstairs, all you're going to do is match pictures of the crime scene. Oh my gosh. To the video. That's so true. Oh, look at that. You should go work for the prosecutors. I'm on it. Maybe send them like a quick email. Because that is, that's definitely true. And that would really prove the case.
00:29:32
Speaker
ah he If you could just see. Yeah, it's like flooring ya up and rolled it into like the kitchen. I don't know. I did just I can't wait to find out what I think that's going to prove that she pushed him down the stairs in a suitcase, in my opinion. Hmm. Wow. I mean, this man, like I don't he went through torture. He really did. He.
00:29:57
Speaker
I ah just to think about being in a suitcase that's thrown down a set of stairs is it would be so painful. Yeah, it's like such an extreme violent way to kill someone. I am interested though.
00:30:14
Speaker
how she managed to get him in the suitcase to begin with because but she only says that the suitcase was in the back of the closet. They took it out in her version. They took it out because they're going to fill it with a bunch of donations and get rid of it. Okay, fair. Maybe that was the case. I'm notorious for like making a pile of clothes and be like, I'm going to donate those. And then they sit there for like two weeks before I do anything about it. But oh, yeah, it just feels strange. And also if I had someone look at me as a 40 something year old adult and was like, Hey, you should get in this suitcase. Haha. I, don't know. I don't know. Maybe, but it just still seems like a weird thing to ask someone to do. I don't know. That's
00:31:08
Speaker
I keep thinking about it too, because I don't know how, it seems like impossible to me that she could have forced him to get into a suitcase. Unless you have a gun, I don't know how you could- Right, how did you get him in the suitcase? that's He had to willingly have gone into the suitcase. Unless she like and hit him on the top of the head and knocked him out and then like stuffed him in it. He did have a black eye.
00:31:38
Speaker
I guess that's possible. It's possible that that could have happened. It seems more likely to me though, that he got in willing willingly, which is is's kind of hard to believe, but I feel like it makes more sense than also anything else. right No, I don't like any option. No, I definitely don't like any option. i
00:32:08
Speaker
I don't know. And she does she claims that she left two inches open so that he could get out when he was done hiding. But I think those videos make it pretty clear that he was unable to get out. So basically,
00:32:25
Speaker
when she's presented with that evidence, she knows the story has to change. But it's It's tough because you're pretty locked in on your statements. It's tough when things are, but I love body cam, like police body cam because it just, it clears up a lot of he said, she said things where it's, there's just videos of you saying it. So yeah, so it's, this was your version of events and she's got quite a mountain to climb up and she's not making things easy for herself.
00:33:03
Speaker
Yeah, and during her interrogation with the police, it's very clear that she's very deflective. She's very... The best way I can say it, she's like the definition of a gas lighter. Like, she says things and then goes, no no, no, no, no, you didn't understand me. And then says the exact same thing. No, you aren't understanding. Says the same thing.
00:33:32
Speaker
Like you visibly can see these police officers like taking turns and during her and interrogation, which I um can only imagine partially as tactic, but partially like, I can't keep saying the same thing over and over again. You try. Like it's crazy. And with her, when she was presented with the videos, she flat outs like, so how long are these? I don't know if I want to watch them. Oh God. Yeah.
Interrogation and Legal Challenges
00:33:58
Speaker
Damn. You did this.
00:34:01
Speaker
watch you took the videos too right you're happy laughing and all the whole time why won't you watch it now like no like that and that one pushed me over the edge when she started just being like i don't want to watch this this seems like a lot like how long is this so insane I mean, very sociopath vibes. Right. Like, she was just very calm, cool, collect. Like, at no point did she become hysterical.
00:34:37
Speaker
And I will say that's a little different than some of the other ones that we've talked about that have been caught in a lie. But because historically, they started getting emotional, but it wasn't emotional. Like, I regret my behavior. It was emotional. Like, I can't believe I got caught. I'm going to go to jail. I'm scared for me. She didn't have either of those. She just was very flatlined,
00:35:04
Speaker
I feel.
00:35:07
Speaker
i I feel like her responses often don't align with societal norms, like the way she behaves, the way she speaks. It's just, it all seems very off. And I don't really know how else to describe it. I don't know if it's just like a detachment. I feel like she maybe is trying to like mirror normal human behavior and is not great at it. Maybe. Which I don't know. She, she was clearly just looking out for herself and her own interests. And when she was confronted with all of these facts, all she kept saying was, it was an accident. It was an accident. I didn't kill him on purpose. And they're like, you're arrested for murder. She was like, what? Me? Why? Like she literally asked why. It's like,
00:36:07
Speaker
Like part of it is, it's not funny, but it's kind of funny because it's one of those things that you just, you would just look like, I, I wouldn't even know what to say. I'd be like, I, we've been here for hours talking about why, why don't, how do you not understand this? Like, so yeah, second degree murder, here she comes. the um She has been held without bail, rightfully so.
00:36:37
Speaker
And because of COVID, she hasn't gotten a trial yet. Well, that is one of the factors. one of the I was gonna say, that's one of the reasons. Tell us what the other reason is. The funnier reason. Yeah, so the door the original was like, hey, if COVID happens, the world shut down, like trials got pushed back a while. However,
00:37:03
Speaker
yes This over here decided that she has gone through eight attorneys since then.
00:37:14
Speaker
She's on number nine now. Not attorneys that she has hired. These are all like appointed to her by the because it's your right to have an attorney represent you. 99% of the country does not understand the criminal justice system, the legal system. It is, in my opinion, idiotic to represent yourself, which is why also you have the right to an attorney if you don't have the ability to hire one yourself.
00:37:42
Speaker
However, right she's over here writing multiple letters to the trial judge claiming that she is not being represented fairly. These attorneys are awful, like accusing these attorneys of these wild things. And all of them are like, I'm out and withdrawn.
00:38:04
Speaker
I mean, to have public defenders bail on you, like there's such a high standard of nonsense and shenanigans that they deal with. Right. I mean, these are criminal attorneys, and they are used to working with the dregs of society, and they cannot tolerate her. She is rude. She's argumentative. She's impossible to work with. She was complaining that her lawyers aren't talking to her enough or hanging out with her enough. That's not really how it works. I just want to be friends.
00:38:35
Speaker
you're in prison, they're going to contact you about relevant things for your case, but they're not going to sit in the prison with you. That's not a reasonable expectation of a public defender. And she burned through eight. And as of very recently, like as of two weeks ago, she got her ninth attorney, who was literally watching YouTube videos about her burning her eighth attorney and has volunteered his services.
00:39:07
Speaker
it I mean, I got to give him credit. Good luck to him. Yeah. Good luck to him. But her trial is soon. Yeah. October. Hold on. I have the exact date. October 7, 2024. Yeah. It's coming up.
00:39:25
Speaker
um I actually, I printed out her ad that she wrote. I don't know if you want me to read it. Ooh. Yes. So after she burned her eighth public defender. She was seeking another attorney, and she made a handwritten flyer that she sent out. It's kind of long, but this is exactly what it says. Inmate seeks attorney. Looking for a prosperous challenge? Ready for your close-up on national television? Are you zealous with a side of keen? Show the world who you are with your original creativity.
00:40:04
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Extraordinary expertise, confident ingenuity. Qualifications must include being trustworthy, honest, passion-driven, open-minded, exceptional probleming problem-solving skills, client inclusion at all times, team orientation, collaboration, extreme efficiency in listening, communicating, understanding. Dedication to success, possessing a winning mindset.
00:40:31
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Capability of excellence and representation, committed. Maintaining faith, which is in bold, in the client and case with the ability to think differently, overcome all circumstances. Epic opportunity awaits. Sarah Boone, number 2005623,
00:40:52
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Orange County Corrections Department, invest in the oppressed, believe.
00:41:00
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I have no words. It's a mouthful. I mean, I really just read it and it there's a lot of stars and arrows drawn on it. um But yeah, this is and this is what her new attorney saw and is he says he's not taking on the case pro bono that he expects to be paid for this, but Sarah doesn't have money. So I don't know.
00:41:25
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how that's going to happen. They were also trying to get the trial delayed again because she has a new attorney and they got a hard no.
Trial Preparations and Defense Strategy
00:41:34
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So they're scrambling to get ready in two weeks to start this trial. Yeah, the request came back with a big old X mark. And they were told that for no reason, well, if you can continued, um except for, a quote, extraordinarily good causes such as, but not included to the retention of a defendant. Because after the eighth attorney had quit, there was a motion put in that she was going to represent herself at that point.
00:42:10
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And I think that's probably when that ad went out. Very well written though. I have to admit she would have had a ah great career in creative writing or maybe like marketing, but she like, I also thought I did not read this whole thing. So I'm going to preface that. It's long.
00:42:33
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She's put in a 58 page letter to the courts about how incompetent everyone had been up until that point too. So I'm shocked that he took this. But I also wonder, depending on the attorney, this has been, like I said, I found out about it on TikTok. It has become very popular media wise.
00:43:00
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There is an opportunity there for them if they were to win. About? Well, yeah, like a Jose Baez. Yeah. Future movie options. Exactly. option I, well, I think we should talk about the defense that she's currently going with, or that we think she's currently going with because the trial has not happened. But As far as I'm aware, her intention is still to pursue a battered spouse defense, like a self-defense. I don't know what other ones she could go with. That's really the only option. because Yeah. I mean, accidental has been ruled out. Yeah. And in her 58 page letter, she literally writes, I'm not a problem. He is the problem. Like that's a direct quote.
00:43:54
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Right. here I have been reading about battered woman syndrome, battered spouse syndrome, and it does not feel like Sarah meets the psychological criteria in most of these, but it's also, it's sometimes hard to say after the fact, I suppose. It's supposed to be a self-defense.
00:44:23
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law though so it's hard to it's hard to prove that it's reasonable and proportionate this degree of violence when he's detained in a suitcase yes so i on the surface really like the battered wife syndrome or battered spouse syndrome invo implication because like there are some circumstances where you have one who is a true aggressor and you have one who is a true victim and
00:45:03
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all of a sudden they finally snap and in a time of peace where there might might not have been a fight going on but I'm just gonna use a traditional male-female spouse that the husband could be sleeping and the wife comes in and shoots him while he's sleeping because she finally, whatever it is, snaps and is constantly in a state of fear. She's like, the argument could be, it is so perpetual. She did it when he was defenseless because it was a matter of when, not a matter of if.
00:45:44
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And typically in those cases, there's a lot of documented moments of hospital visits. The husband typically has had police visits, but in this case, both of them had police visits. Both of them have had documentation of being the abuser and being the victim. There's videos of him kim completely
00:46:13
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crying out for his life and her hysterically laughing, it's kind of tough to say that you did that spontaneously.
00:46:27
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Yeah, I, I think, I think the The only argument really that she could make is that she was so abused and beaten down that it's like she saw this opportunity where he was defenseless and had and had to take advantage of it.
00:46:55
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to save her own life. Because if he got out of the suitcase, he would definitely kill her. Maybe not today, but definitely he would eventually because he's so abusive and is escalating and this is the one time that she's going to have the upper hand. But I don't think that's going to really fly.
00:47:15
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Well, I think from, if I was on the prosecutor side, the first step I would take would be having her evaluated. A key factor in battered spouse syndrome, that is hard to say quickly, um is symptoms of PTSD. And ah having a professional, an independent professional evaluating her You can fake symptoms and you can tell stories, but most professionals can see kind of through some of it that if you're meeting the key criterias or not, and that would be my first step is do you have a history of PTSD? Do you currently have PTSD? Tell me about your relationship.
00:48:08
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tell me about yourself, tell me about your history and kind of see where that stands for her. Right.
00:48:20
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I mean, she, she maybe had some symptoms of PTSD. She was kind of withdrawn from her family. It's hard to say if that necessarily was because of Torres or not. she did have She did have some substance abuse issues too that could have been masking symptoms of how she was suffering and she was just drinking to cope.
00:48:53
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could have been. This also could be something where she could argue that it was like imperfect self defense, where she used excessive force in a situation that didn't really warrant it. But she thought that it did, which may help her get less time. I think it's very, very unlikely though, that she's gonna get off completely. The only way I could see her getting off completely would be off like a technicality.
00:49:21
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where the trial, she gets the whole sentence and over an appeal, you have some kind of technicality that comes out and it would get voided. Very similar to the Johnson case that we had talked about before, Anna Stubblefield convicted, sentenced, and then found some kind of appeal slight problem and got out. I could see that happening. That's true. i would be my I could see that happening. Right. I just think it's it's unlikely to me that a jury, especially in Florida, is going to is going to look at this and say, oh, this is totally justifiable homicide. 100%. There's no way. At least in my opinion. There's no way.
00:50:16
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Yeah I mean crazy things happen and we are definitely going to be watching and waiting to see what happens. Oh for sure and it is coming up and I think it's going to be all pretty popular as it goes. I don't know if they're going to open the trial or not but I just I also will be curious if this attorney stays on because she doesn't have a great track record.
00:50:46
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Yeah, my money's on no. But we'll see. Well, if not, I would love to watch her try and represent herself. She clearly is very creative in her verbiage. Her closing argument would probably be lovely. For sure. I mean, I think she'd be happy to have cameras in the courtroom also if it was up to her.
Public Perception and Impact on Families
00:51:09
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Yeah, that that posting definitely gave off like
00:51:14
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I'm going to make the best, like I'm going to be famous off this vibes. Did it? Like it kind of feels that. Kinda. And this is one thing that like right now I feel true crime is so popular as you and I both know and anyone listening, but there is a level two people like celebrities criminals. And I wonder if she sees this as like an opportunity maybe.
00:51:42
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She's not been like the most lucratively successful person in her past. Maybe she sees an opportunity. I mean, I think she definitely sees an opportunity. Like, I think she likes that she gets attention. I think that she wants the attention, but she more than anything does not want to spend her entire life in prison. And I think that she does not have any remorse.
00:52:08
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for this situation. I don't want to say that in in general, she is remorseless because I don't know enough about her to say that. But I think that in this situation, she does not feel bad for killing him. So she does not feel that she deserves any kind of punishment. And she probably thinks that she's already done enough time. So she'll do whatever to get out. I mean, except for cooperate with her attorneys. She definitely is not willing to do that.
00:52:37
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But I don't think she views it that way. I think that she just thinks that they're not understanding how innocent she is. And to her, that's very frustrating. Yes. I could definitely see that. Yeah. She's like, I don't understand. They they think I did this on purpose.
00:52:57
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well It actually doesn't even really matter if you did it on purpose because you made it seem like you did. Yeah. with everything that you recorded. So yeah,
00:53:14
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I don't know. To me, I'm going to watch the trial. I do think it's all going to be available to watch, to stream, because the pretrial hearings are available on YouTube.
00:53:24
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um So I think that hopefully it'll be ruled that it the trial will also be open, which I have mixed feelings on in general, but in this case, I don't actually think it can really hurt her because I don't think that the publicity around this helps her case. I think she thinks that it does, but I think it actually, it doesn't really matter because the facts are so egregious and she's provided all of the evidence herself.
00:53:53
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If she didn't have the videos, this would be different. Yes. The videos really are the nail in the coffin for her. Right. Because if you just have a wacky story and someone ends up dead, you could spin that. You got a shot. Yeah, you could say anything. and you could It's hard to believe, it would be very hard for anyone reasonable to believe that this was an accident, but with the videos, it's impossible.
00:54:23
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Yeah. I'll be curious. We'll see. Yeah. I mean, we'll be watching. Well, any last thoughts on Miss Sarah? Because I was going to ask you what you thought was going to happen in the trial, but we kind of covered that.
00:54:39
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I think I'm good. How about you? No, I'm good. She definitely had moments. I think the only thing is of leaving me speechless, where ah here you have to take a minute. You're like, did you really just say that?
00:54:52
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like and I had more of those with her than I have lately with some other people. So it was nice to be surprised, I guess. Yeah, honestly, this one felt kind of light. And I don't know if that's because there's an imperfect victim involved. um And because no children were harmed in this one, I think also makes a big difference just for us yeah talking about it.
00:55:19
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But I do feel bad for her kid. um She has a son who has been mostly kept out of this, but I'm sure he's very affected by it still, and I'm sure that the publicity is negative for him, and his mother being in prison is obviously very negative. But it also doesn't seem like she was that consistent or involved, so yeah i don't know I don't know how much has really changed for him.
00:55:45
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Yeah, I'd agree. And also like, Torres did have three children of his own, which is also sad as well. We don't know a lot about her ah his kids and that's too bad. so Yeah, I do feel bad for all the kids involved. The adults less so. Yes, ah agreed. All right. Well, until our next mother. Sounds good.