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Gabby Petito Part 3
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Join us for part 3 of the Gabby Petito saga. We discuss the sad realities that were uncovered throughout the investigation. We talk about our own theories of the crime, the potential cover up, conspiracies online and the actions of the Petito and Laundrie families after this horrible tragedy. Believe it or not there are some uplifting moments throughout the documentary series and our coverage of it.
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Aftermath of Gabby Petito's Case
00:00:21
Speaker
Welcome back to Mothers of All Crime. We're here talking part three, Gabby Petito, the aftermath. Yes. So we've gone through, obviously, Gabby and Brian's relationship, the things leading up to both of their disappearance, the discovery of Gabby's body, discover Brian's body, and the investigation that went through that, coming to the conclusion that Brian had happened basically murdered his girlfriend um which or fiance well yes fiance according to brian fiance uh but afterwards there's been a lot of interesting kind of developments even after both of it pretty much the case is over but there seems to be a lot of talk about is it really over
00:01:15
Speaker
Yes, that's true because of several reasons.
Accountability and Conspiracy Theories
00:01:20
Speaker
There are additional people other than Brian that could have potentially been charged with things or been held accountable in other ways.
00:01:28
Speaker
And then there's a lot of conspiracy theories about Brian himself. So and also Gabby's parents have been very busy since this happened and... have accomplished a lot.
00:01:40
Speaker
Yeah. There's good things. There's weird things. Which one do you want to start with? do you want to tell me about some good things? Start us off on a positive. Sure.
Gabby Petito Foundation and Domestic Violence Advocacy
00:01:50
Speaker
Let's go with the positive. So Gabby Petito's family has really ah had taken a really awful situation and tried to make the best of it for other people. Yeah.
00:02:02
Speaker
um The main one that they did is they started the Gabby Petito Foundation, which is a beautifully done website to start. And it provides someone with resources, education, um all kinds of different stuff. There's fundraising that helps for domestic violence and understanding.
00:02:23
Speaker
But also one thing that I really liked about it is on this site, there's a button that if you're on there and you are in one of these circumstances, every single page you click on at the bottom, there's an exit site button.
00:02:35
Speaker
And if you hit that, it instantly will bring you into just Amazon and Google. oh Oh, that's great. If you're in a circumstance that...
00:02:46
Speaker
is unsafe and you're trying to get these resources and in order so you don't have to get caught or have the repercussions of that they made it so that it's very safe to be on the site which I appreciate a lot I thought that was really smart That makes total sense.
00:03:03
Speaker
I love that. So they have been doing that, which I think is amazing. And they truly kind of keep where that works. So from there, they've also stepped into legislation.
Legislation for Police Training in Domestic Violence
00:03:18
Speaker
So as we have talked about during this investigation, there were a lot of different departments that were involved. both federal and state. So the Petito family has taken it upon themselves to actually work with legislators and researchers to help put in bills and legislation to better protect victims of domestic violence.
00:03:42
Speaker
They have been successful in Florida and Utah. And one thing that I I may have said this before, but I truly believe that the best types of policies, bills, legislation should be backed up by research.
00:03:57
Speaker
Scholarly research that has had evidence, data to support whatever you're implicating. Because without that, you're kind of just shooting in the dark. So what they've done is they've taken research from Jacqueline Campbell.
00:04:13
Speaker
And they've coupled that with their legislation. So for the Florida bill that got placed, it requires police departments to consult ah different entities for policies, procedures, and trainings to implement them so that they understand these domestic violence actions.
00:04:29
Speaker
And in Utah, they successfully passed this 2023, both states. um It requires police departments to have a lengthy conversation with 12 different questions with people who are suspected to be victims of DV.
00:04:46
Speaker
And they will have then referrals for providers and shelters. And they've actually seen this really improve people coming to the police and asking for help.
00:04:59
Speaker
Utah got granted $30 million dollars to increase their services to provide to domestic violence victims, which makes it so that this program and this law can actually be implicated in the right way.
00:05:12
Speaker
Because just because you have this law and books and these questions, that's great. If you can't help them, it doesn't matter. Right. so they were actually able to get the funds as well to support all of these new referrals and shelters and stuff, so which is fantastic.
Importance of Police Education and Victim Support
00:05:30
Speaker
It's really incredible. I think that these are actually really smart people. ways that um can actually improve the situation for people that are like Gabby.
00:05:42
Speaker
And maybe this is actually, it's probably already saving lives and it's just a lovely way to honor her life. And I also think it's so important that we are, especially to the police, providing education about domestic violence. That's not something I don't think that's extensively covered in the police academy.
00:06:04
Speaker
And especially for older cops that, I mean, I'm sure it wasn't. Well, and so it's not fair to expect them to know. Educating the police. It's getting people educated about you're in a situation that is qualified as domestic violence.
00:06:20
Speaker
Because here's like the police are trained to recognize the situations. But if you don't recognize you're in it, it doesn't matter. Yeah. So i think like a lot of this is, right, great.
00:06:34
Speaker
Let me give you the resources to read and learn and you make the decision if you're going to do something. Because kind of like with what we saw with Gabby and Brian, you can suspect it. You can separate them. But if they don't believe it, they're going to go right back. And we saw Gabby that same night, even though she was told to not contact Brian, she went right back later that night and they left together.
Challenges in Recognizing Domestic Violence
00:06:59
Speaker
So I think giving them so, so common. Yeah, it's extremely common. So giving victims those resources of like, hey, let me validate what you're feeling and explain to you it's going to be OK. There's options to move on. Like, how can I help you?
00:07:15
Speaker
You're not alone. i think that's really where those those funds of those resources are coming from.
00:07:23
Speaker
Makes total sense because it's I mean people are going it's going to take multiple times for a lot of victims to leave. and I think that helping someone recognize that they're in an unsafe situation that will likely escalate is really probably the best they could do because you're right. Physically separating couples does not solve the problem necessarily because that's temporary.
00:07:47
Speaker
And you can't control what people are going to do and you can't just keep them in jail indefinitely before they've done something so serious that cannot be undone.
00:07:59
Speaker
So I think that, yeah, I just. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of states already had these kind of questions in place. But unfortunately, and oddly, these two didn't, which is kind of unfortunate that these were the states that they happened to fall into.
Assessment Tools for Domestic Violence
00:08:18
Speaker
um But when I was reading through these 12 specific questions that got passed and as a result, they would then give the victim, they're like, hey, here are the results of this assessment. Here's the situation you're in. Here's the nearest domestic violence shelter if you're interested.
00:08:35
Speaker
um And it is interesting the questions though. So particularly if you don't have education on what the abuser looks like from the outside.
00:08:48
Speaker
Some of these might not necessarily put, hey, like there could be violence. But then some of them I feel like are very obvious that people police may have already been asking, but not necessarily in an assessment context.
00:09:01
Speaker
um For example, one of them is is the aggressor unemployed? Wow. Versus you also have to the extreme of, do you believe the aggressor would try and kill you at some point?
00:09:15
Speaker
So you have this wide range of questions that's really getting into a bunch of different types of things. assessing. um You have, has the aggressor ever attempted suicide? So they're looking into their own, like, let's look at that person. How unstable are they?
00:09:33
Speaker
And what about, have you ever been followed or spied on? Do you feel like they've ever sent you threatening messages? So it's really taking your experience there and then the aggressor's life circumstance and kind of molding it into 12 short questions.
00:09:52
Speaker
that I think they were curated really well. But again, it's supported with research that had been conducted that I'm just, I'll say it over and over again, the best policies are supported by research. So I think the Petito family went really well into taking this step into legislation.
00:10:15
Speaker
Definitely.
Gabby's Legacy in Legislation
00:10:16
Speaker
And I think that financial abuse in a lot of circumstances is not looked at the same as physical or even emotional abuse. Oh, absolutely. It's almost like this is a separate issue that's not abuse.
00:10:28
Speaker
Right. But i think if you look at a lot of these domestic violence situations that become homicides or assaults or really serious crimes like that, there is a huge element of financial abuse.
00:10:40
Speaker
And we saw in the documentary Brian financially abusing Gabby while she was alive and after she was dead. And I and it's I don't know if it would have necessarily changed her perspective on him, but I do think it's important to be able to objectively evaluate who you're with in the situation that you're in. And it's hard to see it from the inside.
00:11:03
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And I think you take like if there's not that money fixes problems because sometimes money creates problems. But if you are, if you don't have a stream of income, that's another stressor. And if they're already aggressive, having that easy stressor of something like that, too, particularly for someone who's like looking for work, Brian wasn't looking for work, but It would could be really frustrating if you're like trying, trying, trying, can't find a job. You're going to take out your anger somewhere else.
00:11:35
Speaker
So I think they they did a really nice job. And i from what I've seen, granted, they only passed, I don't know, like eight, nine months ago.
00:11:47
Speaker
ah It has had and increase in people reaching out and getting those services. So it seems so far that they are taking advantage and it's starting to really help people.
00:12:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's incredible. It's it always amazes me when people make something good out of something so awful. And I don't know if I would have the strength to pursue these legislature changes the way that they have. But i mean, her four parents have really, really, really impressed me through all of this.
00:12:24
Speaker
They're like the model of co-parenting. Like I feel like yeah they really have. And i I agree with you. I don't know how how I respond, but I also think some people need the distraction.
00:12:40
Speaker
And throwing yourself into something so aggressive, so quick could have been a way to... kind of distract themselves so right i think it actually could be healing like hey like this awful thing happened but gabby would be so proud of us look what we've done to help other people because it seemed like gabby was just a really caring person and was there for her friends and wanted to help people and just very kind so i think They feel proud that they're like making Gabby proud and her memory is going to live forever as like this positive change that has happened to save other people.
Civil Suits Against Brian and Moab Police
00:13:22
Speaker
Yes. And of course, Brian's death also eliminated ah murder trial. So something that would have had he been charged and prosecuted and all of that. I mean, that would have taken months to years and would have been a huge issue.
00:13:41
Speaker
time suck and an emotional roller coaster i'm sure and the appeals that maybe would have happened so i think because he wasn't alive and criminal charges were not pursued prior to his death i mean it just it's like this huge thing has happened rocked our family rocked a nation rock the world pretty much people all over the world were interested in this and I think when they had such a platform and they didn't have something like a trial to focus on you know they just saw this opportunity and they took it and I think that they've been yeah role models is a good word even in all of their interviews on Dr. Phil the recent one on 2020 like they just seem like such a great united front
00:14:30
Speaker
yeah And they even all have matching tattoos now to match Gabby. Yeah. Which is, yeah. Like I said, I think. Beautiful. i think they've handled it the best they possibly could considering the circumstance. For sure.
00:14:41
Speaker
and i'm sure the day-to-day was horrible. Oh, I can't even imagine. And they're going to have their moments. and For sure. I hope they continue to heal and find power in what they're doing. And I think Gabby would be really proud of them.
00:14:55
Speaker
For someone who never knew her. Yeah. Yeah, I know. i feel like we're assuming a lot about Gappy, but I do feel like through them, we all got to know her. And there's so much footage and so much of her own writing that and her art. And just there's so many different ways that you can absorb her that I feel like, I don't know, she has left an impact.
00:15:19
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. hundred percent And in addition to that, though, there was a civil suit, um a wrongful death suit that the family put out.
00:15:30
Speaker
And this is where... This is where media gets tough because we obviously can only... We're not going to know. what weve We have not read the documents. um We don't have access to their accounts. We don't know them personally.
00:15:47
Speaker
And there's a lot of conflicting information on this one. So I don't know what you've seen, but I have seen anything from they filed it originally for $50 million, dollars that they received $3 million. I've seen...
00:16:01
Speaker
i've seen that they got the money, that they haven't got the money. It's very conflicting when it comes to this suit. On 2020, they...
00:16:13
Speaker
they um The program stated that the family was awarded $3 million dollars from the estate of Brian Laundrie. But I saw in the days that followed, Gabby's father make a TikTok post saying that they did not get the money because Brian didn't have any money.
00:16:31
Speaker
And I looked up specifically to see if his parents had to, you know, I was like, oh well, maybe their house was taken as collateral. You know, maybe their assets were seized. Maybe they were somehow financially responsible for it, but they were not.
00:16:45
Speaker
Yeah. And then... So I think they did not get any money. There was a $3 million... dollars Like, it was awarded, but you can't get the money because there is no money.
00:16:57
Speaker
And also, he's he's dead. Like, you can't collect money from a dead person who didn't have any anything to begin with. Well, you can if they haven't... If you have an estate, right like if you have a house and a car and a bank account with money in it and you die and you and someone sues your estate, like all of those assets can be seized.
00:17:16
Speaker
But I mean, he had $700 that he stole from Gabby after he killed her. So there was money, there was no there was no property. Right.
00:17:26
Speaker
I doubt there was a bank account with any money in it. so Or anything significant. They probably got like $300. And there's you're right. Because he's dead, it's not like they can garnish his wages forever. so there aren't Because there are no wages. And his parents are not responsible for it because he was an adult.
00:17:45
Speaker
Yeah. If he was a minor, it would be different. They would be held liable for his actions, but they're not. Right. And then there was another civil suit that her family filed against the Moab Police Department, which if people remember was when Gabby and Brian were pulled over for...
Responsibility of Moab Police in Gabby's Case
00:18:08
Speaker
A phone call coming in and they got, this is when they got separated and told to spend the night separately, yada, yada, yada. um That was dismissed by the judge.
00:18:20
Speaker
um Just claiming that it was a lot of speculation that in knowing what we know now, don't, The judge basically was like, they did what they could.
00:18:32
Speaker
um There's no proof that this led to what happened. um But there's also no proof that it didn't. So the judge was like, I can't make a decision on something that is unfortunately subjective.
00:18:45
Speaker
So that got fully dismissed, um which I think reinforced the civil suit against Brian, in my opinion. Because if you have that Well, they this one can't be held liable, so it has to be this fault. Like, kind of deal. um But I also couldn't find too, too much about that other than just the rough outline of their lawsuit was claiming that there was grossly negligent actions by the police department, which increased the likelihood Gabby would then be harmed.
00:19:20
Speaker
And I see where the judge is coming from because in the moment, you don't know what's going to happen. And after the fact, now that she was harmed, obviously you want to hold Summer responsible.
00:19:34
Speaker
And I do think that the police could have behaved a little differently, but also try to be in their situation. You only know what you know. so it's a tough situation.
00:19:47
Speaker
that probably was a tough case for the judge to kind of look at trying to be taking a step back, you know? Right.
00:19:58
Speaker
The, yeah, I, I agree. I i feel like when I initially watched the body cam footage and Gabby was missing and then confirmed murdered, I did blame the police and I was like,
00:20:13
Speaker
I wanted to hold them responsible as well. But I i do I think that they didn't have all the information. And so it's very easy to blame them exclusively.
00:20:25
Speaker
But really, the real one to blame is Brian. And the police could not have known that he was going to do what he did. So I don't know that they need to be criminally or legal or financially responsible for that.
00:20:39
Speaker
Right. And I think it's also it the timing of this. It escalated so rapidly, so quickly that if you look at like a, I don't hate to say this, but like a standard domestic violence case, it's over an extensive period of time where the violence just grows and grows and grows and grows.
Escalation of Violence in Gabby and Brian's Relationship
00:21:00
Speaker
Brian and Gabby were only together in a relationship for under two years. Yeah. And this trip was, was under a month long like it's not like they had been on the road for three years and had this long history of violence i think because it jumped so quick it made people be like well the police should have done something right then and there which i wish they did but like looking in the moment they couldn't have known that it was going to escalate so fast like it did
00:21:36
Speaker
I think it was the 41st day of their trip that they had the interaction with the Moab police. um And I personally, i really think that them being on vacation together and in such an enclosed space and just being stuck together 24 hours a day with nothing to do other than vlog, which he didn't even care about doing.
00:21:57
Speaker
i think that that's why it escalated so fast because they literally could not get away from each other. Yeah. It's really sad. And I think in these circumstances, yeah everyone wants to blame everyone, particularly because there is no trial.
00:22:16
Speaker
Like they want the responsibility of a living person. And because Brian's remains were found and no trial happened, they're like, okay, well then who can we blame next kind of deal. That's how I feel. Right.
00:22:29
Speaker
Right. Which is a weird feeling. ah you know let me Let me just shift my blame because I can't be angry at a dead person. but Right.
Lawsuits Against Brian's Parents
00:22:40
Speaker
So after the lawsuit against Brian's estate was settled for $3 million, dollars there was also a lawsuit against Christopher and Roberta Laundrie, his parents.
00:22:52
Speaker
And that one I was not able to find the amount that they They settled, but I wasn't able to find the amount. I think that got sealed because I couldn't find anything.
00:23:05
Speaker
Yeah. But the premise of that was pretty much that Gabby's family was asserting that Chris and Roberta knew that Brian had confessed to them and that they drew out their pain and suffering and that it was cruel.
00:23:20
Speaker
And that was pretty much the basis of it. That they covered up for him, that they knew, that they didn't tell them. And outside, personally, I totally think they knew.
00:23:33
Speaker
Just my opinion. Yeah.
00:23:36
Speaker
Yes. But also, I do want to put out there that in cases like this, just because they settled doesn't mean they admitted guilt. So, right, a lot of these cases, it's easier, faster, less expensive to just settle and be like, here's a check. I don't want to deal with this.
00:23:55
Speaker
Then drawing it all out. So I personally think they know, but I also think they were just like, I don't want to deal with this. Let's settle like in here's a check.
00:24:06
Speaker
I'm done kind of deal. Yeah. I read some of the transcripts from the um court case against b Brian's estate and listened to a podcast talking about that. And it seems like his parents just had a lot of gaps in their memory.
00:24:23
Speaker
You know, they just couldn't quite recall a lot of things. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm sure they didn't admit to anything. Those people are infuriating. Yeah.
00:24:33
Speaker
Well, here's where all the weird starts coming in, I think. Because it they very conveniently forget things. They very conveniently aren't going to cooperate.
00:24:48
Speaker
And we saw this through body cam footage. But pretty much once that van entered Florida again, they very conveniently were quiet.
00:24:59
Speaker
And there's a lot of speculation on why that is. Is it because they knew and don't want to incriminate themselves?
00:25:10
Speaker
Is it because they're protecting their son? Is it because there's other factors involved? like it's it's interesting this is where all the the weird theories start popping up yes and i have been down a dark rabbit hole on tiktok with all different kinds of laundry conspiracy theories and i was fully believing a lot of them and then tried to verify information and most of them are probably based
Theories on Brian's Parents' Involvement
00:25:40
Speaker
on nothing um one of the ones that i hadn't heard
00:25:44
Speaker
heard of prior to looking into this case again for the podcast that we're doing is that a lot of people think that brian's parents killed him and that's why they knew where his body was meaning that whether they set him up and killed him or a like they did it with him like he was like i'm gonna kill like myself and they were like well let us help you then Well, I guess you could say it either way. But one of the one of the people that I was watching said that um that they knew that he was not going to get away with this and that he was going to implicate them.
00:26:20
Speaker
And so they basically killed him in the house and then i guess hung on to his body and then planted it in the woods. Yeah. Which doesn't really make sense because he was extremely decomposed.
00:26:35
Speaker
Right. And if he's in your home, where would you keep the body? Right. And have it decompose that quickly inside of a controlled environment feels wrong. But I could see like they went out with him and he was like, I'm going to do this.
00:26:53
Speaker
And they're like, okay, well, we don't want you to like bring us with you. So like, let's do it together as like a family thing. you i Which I hate saying. I mean, I guess. Yeah.
00:27:06
Speaker
I definitely think that Brian had a super weird dynamic with his parents, especially his mom. His mom's dynamic was creepy. I know. Did we ever talk about the burn after reading letter? really think so. have that in my note because I don't think we've mentioned it.
00:27:22
Speaker
um yeah have it in front of me. I have only like one line. do you want to give ah overview of it Because that letter is directly related to what my other conspiracy that I think you probably have.
00:27:39
Speaker
ties oh sure i mean this one this one's not that long though it's not yeah as worthy as brian's and there is a lot of speculation about when this was written it's not dated it was found in the laundry house after b brian's death but there's some contentions the laundry say that they wrote this or that roberta wrote this a long time ago it has nothing to do with gabby but who knows so and i forget again I can't quite recall.
00:28:11
Speaker
i mean, I'm married to a lawyer, so I'm familiar with that phrase. i can't recall. Yeah. um So the letter is addressed to Brian Christopher Laundrie, which is in itself pretty weird to write to your kid you have the same last name as.
Brian's Mother's Letter and Family Dynamics
00:28:28
Speaker
Whatever. In parentheses, it says burn after reading. And then the letter says... I just want you to remember i will always love you. And I know you will always love me.
00:28:39
Speaker
You are my boy. Nothing can make me stop loving you. Nothing will or... If you're in jail, I will bake a cake with a file in it. If you need to dispose of a body, i will bring show up with a shovel and garbage bags.
00:28:53
Speaker
If you fly to the moon, I will be watching the skies for your re-entry. If you say you hate my guts, I'll get new guts. Remember that love is a verb, not a noun. It's not a thing. It's not words.
00:29:04
Speaker
It is actions. Watch people's actions know if they love you, not their words. Therefore, i am certain that neither death nor life nor angels nor the ruling spirits nor things present nor things to come nor powers from above nor powers from below nothing in the entire created world can separate our love neither hostile powers nor messengers of heaven nor monarchs of earth nothing has the power to separate us.
00:29:31
Speaker
Romans 838. Nothing can separate us. Not hatred, not hunger, not homelessness, not threats, not even sin. Not the thinkable or unthinkable can get between us. Not time, not miles and miles and miles.
00:29:44
Speaker
It sounds like a letter you should be writing to like your husband at war. Like... Like a lover. Yeah. Like not your son.
00:29:56
Speaker
And the the quote that I had written down was basically the same of baking him a cake with a file in it or bringing the shovel dispose of the body. So granted, it's not like she wasn't buried. So it's not specific per se um But creepy, creepy relationship.
00:30:19
Speaker
And very, very creepy. Yeah. I want to bring up that she writes a letter like this, regardless of when she wrote it, right? It doesn't matter. There is a level of love and obsession over her son that is just there.
00:30:38
Speaker
You're telling me that a mother who loves her son that much doesn't have a funeral or any kind of service for her child?
Parental Reactions to Brian's Situation
00:30:47
Speaker
I know. I thought that was so bizarre. There was no funeral.
00:30:53
Speaker
No funeral. No cremation on record. No memorial. No nothing. Absolutely nothing. Granted, you don't have to.
00:31:04
Speaker
He did a really terrible thing. Maybe they just wanted to were like try to brush it away. But nothing. If you're willing to do all that for your son, you ain't going to celebrate him.
00:31:19
Speaker
I mean, i guess it's possible, possible that the family had an extremely private memorial where it was just immediate family and it never got leaked to the media.
00:31:32
Speaker
i find that a little hard to believe. Because they were under such a microscope. There are plenty of cases, especially with I'm thinking of some school shooters that they did not have funerals after they you know had self-inflicted gunshot wounds after committing atrocities.
00:31:53
Speaker
That where they didn't have funerals because people will protest them. People will show up and it will not be well received at all. Right. So and I do think that would have happened in this case. There was already protesters at the laundry house. like Oh, 100 percent. I'm not denying that that would be the case. But what I do think is weird is in those examples that you're talking about.
00:32:13
Speaker
The parents aren't proud of their son. Their parents aren't trying to protect them from their actions. A lot of them are like, I'm ashamed of his behavior. Like, I can't believe... Like, a lot of them don't sit there. That's true. That's good point.
00:32:28
Speaker
Versus this mother is like... She takes a phone call right after he murders his fiance girlfriend. She houses him during the whole thing, keeps him away from the police.
00:32:44
Speaker
Like...
00:32:46
Speaker
listen i don't know about you but most parents i know if i showed up at my mother's house i was like hey i'm wanted for murder the police are here to talk to me i don't want to talk to them she'd open the door be like she's right there like she'd be like and you're on your own talk to the police if you're not guilty you have nothing to hide if you are guilty you deserve what's coming for you like i i know a lot of people that have watched this docuseries recently and a lot of them have brought up how they feel their own parents would react in the situation and or how they would feel about their own children if their child was brian in the situation what they would do like
00:33:29
Speaker
Would they cover up for him? Would they get him a lawyer right away? Would they, you know, would their parents turn on them and go to the police? And I think that it's hard to know until you're in that situation. Oh, 100%. Yeah, absolutely.
00:33:41
Speaker
I don't, I do not think that my parents would have, because I think that they, if especially if they knew but I killed someone, they, I think, I mean, this has not happened yet, but I think that they would want me to be accountable for that.
00:33:55
Speaker
I don't think that they would think it was okay for me not to have any consequences. I think maybe they would help me pay for right defense and that they would try to advocate for me and they'd put money on my books when I was, in i hope, you know, but like I, I, I mean, this is my parents though.
00:34:12
Speaker
And my parents also have never written me a letter like that where they were like, yeah Oh, well, we'd cover it up for you. Like, if she wrote that letter years ago, it's actually kind of worse and also explains why he called her right away after he killed his girlfriend. Because, like oh well, my mom will understand.
00:34:27
Speaker
I think she actually already told me about this. Yeah, I think she did it a while ago and it was like just creepy. Because here's the flip side. If I was the victim and then I snapped and killed my fiance, I think the parents would handle it differently.
00:34:43
Speaker
Like I could see a parent being more protective of like, okay, like, yes, she did this, but like, there's a reason. And let me explain versus like, I'm going to help them because they endured all this stuff. And finally they just couldn't take it anymore.
00:34:57
Speaker
yeah, the crime of passion kind of defense. um Well, reading Brian's suicide note though, he had a lot of explanations and justifications for what happened.
00:35:10
Speaker
And I wouldn't be surprised if that's what he was trying to i I would be surprised if he called his parents and said i killed Gabby it's 100% my fault oh yeah he doesn't seem like someone who's going to take accountability for anything no not ah not at any point not at any point but yeah it just it feels weird to me so then I also went down a TikTok rabbit hole the other side of it is okay either the parents did it or what if it's not him
00:35:43
Speaker
I know this is the big one.
Legitimacy of Brian's Death
00:35:46
Speaker
And this is where I think the fact that she didn't have a funeral stuff like that supported it for me is what if he's actually alive and this was someone else that they found they happened to just come across it or they had been planning it for a while or whatever the case was but there is a theory that Brian's alive.
00:36:12
Speaker
Yes. And I all last week believed that theory because I saw an extremely viral, extremely popular TikTok video where someone was saying that Brian's body was only identified by his teeth, by dental records, and that the dentist identifying him is his uncle.
00:36:32
Speaker
And that it's all in the family. And if that's the case, then, you know, maybe they would cover up for him. Maybe this is some hitchhiker, some homeless person that they...
00:36:43
Speaker
abducted and murdered and skeletonized and ditched in the woods and brian is off in another country there's a lot of speculation that he got to the bahamas or that he is in italy that he got on a boat you can very easily get to the caribbean islands from florida and you wouldn't need to fly which it's much harder to do when you're a fugitive But right. And i yeah I agree. I kind of am leaning towards it because then you have all that, right?
00:37:12
Speaker
You have the parents that have settled outside of court, which means they never had to get a lengthy disposition. They never had to sit in front of a judge and answer questions or be held in contempt.
00:37:28
Speaker
So it keeps them from having to explain things that they might not want to explain. Right. um the sister has now come out and been like listen i've had no contact or virtually no contact for the last two years with my parents like the sister's completely cut out of their life altogether so trying to be because brian's alive and they're hiding him right trying to keep that that could be closed so i love this siri but i did try to
00:38:02
Speaker
Debunk it. And I'm not the only one trying to do that because there are other articles and stuff debunking it. And the most convincing, compelling evidence I've found is that his autopsy, the there's multiple doctors listed on it. And the office that did it said that none of them are related to Brian Laundrie.
00:38:20
Speaker
And he was not only just identified by dental records, he was identified by DNA from a tooth and from a bone. and the fbi has put out multiple reports saying that he has been dna confirmed that it's him yeah so unless he had an identical twin stashed in the basement or something it seems unlikely i agree it's unlikely but i still kind of i still kind of like it i don't know i do too i like the idea no i don't like the idea but i'm
00:38:52
Speaker
Partial to the idea, maybe is a better wording. The one theory of, so Brian's mom got that phone call, right? And then got in the car and then met him halfway or some middle point and they switched.
00:39:08
Speaker
And it would be very easy for someone to disappear in a lot of these national parks that are hundreds of thousands of acres that you can just go out and camp. Yeah. And be very easy to disappear for a while.
00:39:19
Speaker
And she brought back the van, parked it, because there's no footage other than, like, I think some credit card, debit card receipts. there's no footage of him at a gas station in Florida. like yeah there's no There's footage of the car.
00:39:33
Speaker
But there's no footage that you can see him in. So I agree. And I have thought about that a bunch because I really, there doesn't seem to be a lot of confirmed sightings of him in Florida. He pretty much stayed in the house. Like he did go camping with Cassie and his parents, but that's according to Cassie and his parents.
00:39:49
Speaker
Right. And I didn't see any pictures or videos of that. Maybe they exist and I just didn't find them. But To me, I would not have been. i was convinced a little bit by the DNA. I do like the idea, though, that maybe not like it, but it's more interesting to think that Brian is like still out there on the run and that he could possibly still be caught and captured.
00:40:12
Speaker
But I think that if there was really a real possibility of that, Gabby's parents would be screaming that from the rooftops. I think they're convinced that Brian's dead. And that's also pretty convincing to me.
00:40:25
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. I agree that it it's unlikely. But I think of the conspiracies, I lean towards he's alive.
00:40:35
Speaker
Then his parents murdered him personally. Yeah, I don't really think they murdered him. I do think they knew exactly where his body was going to be. And it makes me think that maybe he had discussed his his plan. Like maybe he was like, I'm not trying to spend the rest of my life in prison for this, honestly.
00:40:53
Speaker
Like it's just not even worth it. I'm guilty. I'm going to be convicted. i'm not going to prison. This is what I'm going to If you want to retrieve my body, this is where it's going to be.
00:41:04
Speaker
Yeah, because it it was a popular place that it apparently he liked to go. So it makes sense. I mean, they found it so quickly. It makes that to me is the most unbelievable part that they just stumbled upon his book bag and his bones.
00:41:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. The whole thing feels odd for sure. Very odd. And I think it's very, very, very odd that his parents still live in that house.
00:41:35
Speaker
Really? The house? That's reason to move. Yeah. They have a lot of more shrubs now, but they still live in their house and people hate them.
00:41:46
Speaker
Absolutely. yeah But then you have that final like that financial aspect of like up and moving is not and we always an option for people. Well, also, people may not want to buy the house because of this.
00:41:59
Speaker
And we like we don't know what their financial situation was. And they did drop $25,000 just to retain an attorney, let alone their own legal fees and all of that. And whatever they settled for.
00:42:12
Speaker
Right. So even if they wanted to move, they might not be in the position to do so. But also if they're i would imagineuse hiding out their son in the house, how are they going to get him out?
00:42:22
Speaker
Right.
Brian's Survival Prospects in the Wilderness
00:42:25
Speaker
Well, true. If Brian's there, then they're never going to sell that house. And also he's going to have to just stay inside all the time, which I find hard to believe as someone who is like as annoyingly outdoorsy as he was.
00:42:38
Speaker
i don't think he could do that. I also don't really think he could have survived living like out in the woods long term. It doesn't seem like he was really sustainably able to do that.
00:42:49
Speaker
seems like he had to hitchhike. He had to like scum girlfriend. he tried to make a fire and failed. Like, yeah, you're not really a good camper, man. In his story, like his own story, he failed to make a fire.
00:43:01
Speaker
You would think he'd be like, I'm this great outdoors man. Look at this fire. Hear me roar. ah Yeah. I mean, he just would tell on himself constantly. And he thought that he was making himself sound better and he never really did.
00:43:16
Speaker
Yeah. It was definitely weird. Yeah. Well, that was most of kind of all the aftermath. Do you have any additional thoughts about the repercussions, the actions taken by either a family after the case?
00:43:34
Speaker
Well, Not well I don't know I feel like I've covered like mostly my thoughts and feelings on the parents but do think it's worth mentioning that there were six other people found because of the searches for Gabby people that were missing that their bodies were found because of all of these search efforts and.
Impact of Gabby's Search on Other Missing Cases
00:43:54
Speaker
I think, A, it's really sad that not everyone has family to advocate for them the way that Gabby's did. But also that at least hopefully that brought closure to some people and that people could be laid to rest. Because, i I mean, it's horrifying to me to think of just a body decomposing in the woods and never getting a, you know, not that a burial changes anything necessarily, but it just seems it seems much more humane, i guess.
00:44:23
Speaker
Yeah, and just closure for the people around you. i totally agree. i think it's... Yeah. I think people forget that these areas are so densely packed that this terrain is not somewhere like... You're just not walking down the side. It's like they're not...
00:44:39
Speaker
It's the wilderness. A lot of it. A lot of it is raw. It's not trailed. it's So it's easy to get lost or if you get hurt or in the bad cases, a great place to hide a body.
00:44:54
Speaker
um Right. And i agree that these families hopefully get something because of the efforts that the... Petito family put in um because not everyone has those resources. Not everyone has that family dynamic. Not everyone has the ability to be so loud that gets that attention, that gets those cases, that gets that action taken because that takes financial means. It takes teamwork. It takes
00:45:27
Speaker
support it takes a lot to time effort like um definitely it's a lot of resources that a lot of people don't don't even know how to access and also because of the way that her family presents and how relatable they are and how aspirational they are in some ways it is such a good story and not everyone has a great story to tell and not everyone's gonna be like this adorable little 22 year old white blonde girl who got savagely murdered and left in the woods by her disgusting boyfriend fiance sorry um so i think that and especially gabby's dad his whole platform now is advocating for missing people who didn't get as much attention as gabby
00:46:16
Speaker
yeah And there's a lot of there's
Continued Advocacy by Gabby's Family
00:46:18
Speaker
a lot of factors that go into that, but I think that it's really incredible that he's still advocating for missing persons and for abused women.
00:46:27
Speaker
i think, again, this is something that Gabby would be very proud of. Yeah, absolutely. And the more... yeah I think you kind of hit the nail on the head with a final thought. was just the more exposure you get to cases like this and the more...
00:46:44
Speaker
I don't want to say normalized because it's a horrible thing that I wish didn't happen. But the more normalized it feels that if you're in these circumstances, you're not alone.
00:46:55
Speaker
I think that's a really big thing that they're trying to do is abusers really like to isolate people look at Brian he literally took her into the middle of the woods alone um and I think that's an extreme option but a lot of people just get really isolated and they feel alone and the efforts that are being done to give people resources but also take tell them that they're not alone and it can get better I think it's really good so hopefully positive things happen
00:47:30
Speaker
For sure. It shows that like love still wins, you know, like love is still more important and better, bigger than hate. um And i feel like we could leave it there.
00:47:41
Speaker
And i really enjoyed the docuseries and I really enjoyed all the TikTok rabbit holes. This is a sad case, but there were lot of uplifting moments as well. Yeah, I would definitely recommend it for people who haven't listened to it or watched it.
00:47:54
Speaker
um I think it was really well done. i agree. Okay. Well, it's been a pleasure as always. Till next time. Bye, Crystal.
00:48:05
Speaker
Bye.