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S1 E33 - Tim Sudano, Host of Paranormal Insight Podcast
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This week i am delighted to speak with Tim Sudano, Host of Paranormal Insight podcast and Lead Investigator for the Seekers of California for Aethereal Investigation (S.C.A.R.I.).
Tim and i discuss a potential Air Hostess apparition, Heartbroken ghosts in theatres, Chilling EVP's and moving dog dishes.
We then discuss Angry Austrian ghosts, Iron and Quartz being paranormal magnets and the Sarah Winchester house.
Tim can be found on the UPRN Network
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Host Background
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello, everybody, and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. My name's Lee. I'm the host. And today I am delighted to have Tim Sudano, who is the host of Podcast Paranormal Insight.
00:00:29
Lee Hatfield
Tim, welcome.
00:00:30
Tim Sudano
Thank you so much for having me on I appreciate it
00:00:34
Tim Sudano
So...
00:00:35
Tim Sudano
hu
00:00:35
Lee Hatfield
yes I thought that was like a pause or it froze.
00:00:38
Lee Hatfield
It's like, oh, my God, already.
00:00:38
Tim Sudano
even know what No, it was a period.
00:00:42
Lee Hatfield
So how's life treating you today, Tim?
00:00:44
Tim Sudano
Today I'm doing good. Thank you. I just came back from some travels. My grandmother, a little shout out to my grandmother. She doesn't really watch the internet, but she turned 99 the other day. So happy birthday to her.
00:00:56
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow.
00:00:58
Tim Sudano
And we had a little celebration.
00:00:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Happy birthday to your grandma. that is That is an awesome ripe old age.
00:01:05
Tim Sudano
Yeah, that's that's a milestone for sure.
00:01:05
Lee Hatfield
That's for sure.
00:01:09
Tim Sudano
and she's still she's still sharp as a tack.
00:01:09
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah. Okay. So Tim,
00:01:11
Tim Sudano
But yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. Keep going. Keep going.
00:01:15
Lee Hatfield
yeah, no that's okay. We can talk about your grandmother for as long as you like. So where does she live? Where's she from?
00:01:23
Tim Sudano
Oh, she's down in Southern California.
00:01:23
Lee Hatfield
but she
00:01:27
Tim Sudano
So she's a about... 600 miles away from me, but it was worth the trip to go say happy birthday to her. That was good stuff.
00:01:37
Lee Hatfield
Now, did you did you did you drive or did you fly? 600
00:01:40
Tim Sudano
I drove. Yeah. She's in she's by Santa Barbara.
00:01:43
Lee Hatfield
miles.
00:01:44
Tim Sudano
If you happen to know where that is. And there's not a lot of airports out there that handle big commercial traffic. So I elected the drive down.
00:01:52
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:01:54
Tim Sudano
That's it.
00:01:54
Lee Hatfield
and
00:01:54
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:01:54
Lee Hatfield
I know it's in kind California, that's about as far as it goes.
00:01:58
Tim Sudano
Okay, yeah.
00:02:00
Lee Hatfield
yeah it' It's like me asking you about things that are in England or Canada. It's sort like, oh, I don't know.
00:02:06
Tim Sudano
I might surprise you.
00:02:07
Lee Hatfield
It could be anything.
00:02:07
Tim Sudano
I might surprise
00:02:11
Tim Sudano
But...
00:02:12
Lee Hatfield
We now have a quiz at the end of the podcast.
00:02:16
Tim Sudano
Sorry, forgive the interruption there.
00:02:17
Lee Hatfield
That's a good timing.
00:02:18
Tim Sudano
That was a ringtone. I'll mute my phone so that doesn't happen again. ha ha.
00:02:25
Lee Hatfield
um um that was the That was the Star Wars music, wasn't it?
00:02:27
Tim Sudano
Yeah, sorry, I hope we did don't get a copyright problem.
00:02:33
Lee Hatfield
well
00:02:34
Tim Sudano
That's funny.
00:02:34
Lee Hatfield
ah ah I can so you say you're a bit of a nerd because I do a lot of comic cons.
00:02:39
Tim Sudano
Yeah, oh, do you?
00:02:39
Lee Hatfield
So like I hear that music. Yeah, I hear that music all the time.
00:02:44
Tim Sudano
Oh, yeah, you do.
00:02:45
Lee Hatfield
All the time.
00:02:46
Tim Sudano
You hear Dick Hines all the time.
00:02:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. yeah Okay.
Childhood Ghost Encounter
00:02:51
Lee Hatfield
Okay. So Tim, the reason why you're here, you're another ah podcaster that does podcasts on the paranormal, as am i So let's start at the very beginning.
00:02:52
Tim Sudano
Sorry.
00:03:01
Lee Hatfield
And if you can please tell me
00:03:01
Tim Sudano
Sure.
00:03:03
Lee Hatfield
how your paranormal story began.
00:03:07
Tim Sudano
My story began when I was a little boy, roughly three, maybe four. And ah's the first time ever I saw a ghost.
00:03:19
Tim Sudano
And it was ah decidingly appealing ghost, I guess, as ghosts go. But it was me asleep. I slept with my door open back then.
00:03:30
Tim Sudano
And we lived in this little two-bedroom apartment. And suddenly the living room light pops on. And in walks this, I can only describe her as a stewardess.
00:03:45
Tim Sudano
or or airplane Stewart or whatever they they say nowadays. But back then they were called Stewartesses. But anyway, she's wearing a uniform that's green on one side. It's a vest, blue on the other. And I think she had a skirt that had the same pattern. So it looked like a Stewart's uniform and she had like a white blouse or something underneath that.
00:04:06
Tim Sudano
And she had the short, I'll never forget the way was. She had the short Bob haircut and blonde hair. fair-skinned, and she walked in.
00:04:20
Tim Sudano
like she hits my My room was at one end of the hall, and then my parents at the far end of the hall. She walks in from the living room. That entryway is right by my room, and she I'll give you an example. She looks to me like this, puts her hands on her hips, and starts yelling at me.
00:04:41
Tim Sudano
However, there's no sound. whatsoever. And she was almost opaque.
00:04:45
Lee Hatfield
Huh.
00:04:50
Tim Sudano
You know, and she she was ever so slightly transparent, but not by much like she was supposed to be there somehow.
00:04:51
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:04:58
Tim Sudano
And so she starts yelling at me. I freak out. I close my eyes. I i pull a blanket up over my head and I'm like this. i hear nothing. i feel nothing. And finally, I relent and I Open my eyes slightly, and she is right. I'm prone, right, when I do this.
00:05:14
Tim Sudano
And she is right here. She's in my face, and she scowls at me. she said Her mouth says something. Again, no noise is coming out of this woman. And I freak out.
00:05:25
Tim Sudano
I yell, and I get up, and I run through her. And I'll never forget that chill that chased me afterwards.
00:05:31
Lee Hatfield
oh
00:05:34
Tim Sudano
i just yeah I just like going through her. don't know if you're walking to a freezer and suddenly, bam, it's super cold. It was like that. And I ran, I got my mom, my dad had nothing to do with it. I go take care of the kid.
00:05:47
Tim Sudano
And, uh, She walked me back to the room and she sat with me a bit and calmed me down. It was probably just a bad dream. How'd you turn the light on? Now, I don't know about England or Canada, but in building codes back then, the light switches were set higher. I'm dating myself. This was in the 70s when I was a little kid. and so the light switches were set higher. They weren't set where they are now. In fact, if you look back here,
00:06:14
Tim Sudano
This house is built in the 70s, so light switches are halfway up the door.
00:06:18
Lee Hatfield
OK.
00:06:18
Tim Sudano
Now they lowered them. But at three, I couldn't even reach that if I jumped. So how'd you turn the light on? I didn't. The lady turned it on. And that's kind of the end of my story as far as that's concerned.
00:06:32
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:06:33
Tim Sudano
that was my first ghost experience ever.
00:06:35
Lee Hatfield
so
00:06:37
Lee Hatfield
So say what you've just told me. Did you, when you grew up a bit, that this yeah you obviously still remembered this, did you actually manage to do any research to what potentially could have caused this? Like was there a plane crash nearby or yeah anything along those lines?
00:06:59
Tim Sudano
I did uniform research. it It seems there was something, it was one of the airlines that went defunct over the years. Like, it's
Investigating a Historical Ghost
00:07:08
Tim Sudano
not TWA. It could have been PSA. It could have been american not American Airlines.
00:07:14
Tim Sudano
Yeah, I think maybe it was PSA at one point. They had the green and blue. I can't remember why, but they did. and Or it could have been a local hopper. that she was on, but they did have enough plane crashes there that, yeah, could have been one of them.
00:07:26
Lee Hatfield
okay
00:07:35
Tim Sudano
I, I tried inquiring with old neighbors and, like they were really hard to get ahold of. Most of them were my age when all this went down. As we grew up through the years there, it was, you know, we knew each other, but no one ever knew about a stewardess who lived below Even asking their parents,
00:07:54
Tim Sudano
No, nothing really came of it. Landlord as changed hands of the place had changed hands like four or five times, no one had records of who was living where. So it was it was kind of a dead end for me, but it wasn't for a lack of trying.
00:08:08
Lee Hatfield
Okay. Did you ever see this individual again?
00:08:14
Tim Sudano
Sure didn't, pardon me. I know, I never saw her again at all. Maybe I scared her off, I don't know, who knows. but she never made an appearance again.
00:08:24
Tim Sudano
You know, you run through someone, maybe they didn't know they were dead, who knows?
00:08:26
Lee Hatfield
Probably.
00:08:28
Tim Sudano
was
00:08:30
Lee Hatfield
Yes, I will. What the hell?
00:08:32
Tim Sudano
like, oh, I need answers.
00:08:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:08:34
Tim Sudano
and that Some little kid just ran right through me.
00:08:35
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:08:39
Lee Hatfield
Yes, so she probably went for counseling for but weeks and months after that.
00:08:44
Tim Sudano
Some paranormal counseling, I dig it. That's awesome.
00:08:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So its is this what actually started your paranormal interest or was it much later on in your in your life?
00:08:58
Tim Sudano
initially as a little kid, yeah, initially as a little kid, I definitely found myself interested and scared of ghost stories. I mean, there was a, I used to watch Evan Costello films with my dad all the time.
00:09:12
Tim Sudano
And there was this one where there, a bunch of bad guys pretending to be ghosts, but I didn't quite get the concept at that point. And that that one kind of scared me sometimes. And then there was another one where i think,
00:09:27
Tim Sudano
Lou Costello played a ghost and sometimes bop in a bop out and it's like, oh ghosts aren't so bad. They're kind of funny. You know, it's weird. The odd connections you make when you're a kid.
00:09:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:09:38
Tim Sudano
Uh, but, over the years I had, had not only other ghost stories told to me, but I've had other experiences that, uh, uh, convinced me that there was something else going on.
00:09:54
Tim Sudano
both personal experiences and other stories. And it was, my, when I, it was very young, I mean, fresh out of high school, i was a private detective and I went to school so I could learn how to, you know, really look at things objectively from real investigator's point of view.
00:10:16
Tim Sudano
And in that class,
00:10:19
Lee Hatfield
Thank
00:10:19
Tim Sudano
or other actual police detectives taking their, their, ah it's called CE for short, and it's called continuing education. i almost blanked out what that was. Well, the course was the course. I mean, for them, it was old hat. And for me, it was boring as sin. And mostly it was me just talking to these guys, listening to their experiences and following their example that taught me everything i really learned.
00:10:43
Tim Sudano
could ever learn more so than what the class actually offered. So they were an invaluable resource and I learned how to be a better detective
From Detective to Paranormal Investigator
00:10:54
Tim Sudano
because of them rather than the course itself.
00:10:57
Tim Sudano
No, no offense to the instructor. I'm sure you're a fantastic, dude, but I just couldn't keep up. ah ah Well, he kind of droned on the same thing over and over as like, you know, Oh yeah. Okay. End of class. Whoops.
00:11:10
Lee Hatfield
Oh yeah.
00:11:10
Tim Sudano
I'm not guessing I'm fail that class anyway.
00:11:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah. I've had those. So yeah.
00:11:16
Tim Sudano
Like anyway, I digress. So
00:11:20
Lee Hatfield
so yeah
00:11:22
Tim Sudano
did you have a question for me?
00:11:22
Lee Hatfield
so obviously doing yeah so um um so that's okay that's okay So obviously doing this investigation course, at what point then did you realise, okay, I want to start investigating the paranormal on a regular basis?
00:11:23
Tim Sudano
I'm sorry. Go ahead.
00:11:41
Tim Sudano
Yeah. So that was the early, like, 90, 91 when all that happened. And in 92, 94, I was in the Air Force ROTC program. So that took up the bulk of my experience then. And I had kind of fallen out of my...
00:12:01
Tim Sudano
Paranormal phase, I guess you can call it but you never really leave it if you're if it holds your interest. And, you know, it wasn't just ghosts. I was interested in UFOs. I read that UFO mag magazine, those back issues.
00:12:14
Tim Sudano
Cover to cover, every single issue. i mean, I love that thing. Then Omni came out and they covered some of that stuff, too. it was more scientific. based And it was great. So it never really left me. But, you know, I was in the military and then I was out of the military.
00:12:29
Tim Sudano
And then I was a watching one of those ghost hunting shows. And I'm i'm looking i'm want I'm listening to how they're proceeding.
00:12:41
Tim Sudano
And it's like, oh, well, they missed this step, that step, the other step. I mean, it's basic investigative stuff, and they're not quite doing it. They're doing some of it, but not all of it. And it seems to me if you cover all the bases, you're going to get a better you know, better feedback, so to speak, at least from the witness. And then you can proceed a little more logically because I guess, I think the producer said something to do with the fact that certain shows would just kind of go off. Oh, I'm good. I have a flight of fancy. I think this is happening. I think that's happening. And sometimes you do have to go after your instinct, but,
00:13:17
Tim Sudano
There's also a protocol and a thing you have to follow. I have a list of like 35, 40 questions that ask every single one of my clients all the time. And it's way beyond who, what, where, when, why it's, it covers all those bases. So in 09, I got a fancy to try my hand at paranormal investigation because I figured all no one's really in my area doing that.
00:13:46
Tim Sudano
And so if I can help people in my area, because I know I've heard ghost stories are in my town forever. Right. So I decided try my hand at it.
Haunted College Theater Investigation
00:13:55
Tim Sudano
And did one case kind of as a test.
00:14:01
Tim Sudano
And oh, wow. Was that 09? I may have my dates wrong. But anyway, yeah. Maybe that was 2010. I think that's what it was.
00:14:12
Tim Sudano
And we get a little team together. My best friend, Henry, you i don't know if can see him up on the wall over here. he and I got together to started this thing. And he, I was the one who had the paranormal insight. That's my name of my show, by the way.
00:14:29
Tim Sudano
yeah But to he was the, he was the, he was the scientist. You know, he was the hard fact, empirical evidence guy. He's the one who would truly say, no, Tim, I don't think it's ghosts. I think it's an electrical short.
00:14:46
Tim Sudano
That's what's causing the problem. You know, something along those lines. So we tried it. We went out and we chased something interesting. I figured I'd give a throw of us a big old curveball challenge from the outset.
00:15:00
Tim Sudano
And we investigated a college theater. Big, beautiful theater. I mean, the whole ballets there and operas and stuff like that. And it went up in the late 70s when it first went up. And in their first showing, it is rumored, and it's a persistent rumor because I've spoken to people who were working there when the thing first opened.
00:15:28
Tim Sudano
you know They were there when I was there, attending classes. And they always told the stories that this absolutely happened. i don't know... I don't know why it happened, but it did happen. They tell the story about how this kid made a proposal in front of everyone at the at the end of like the inaugural show that was there.
00:15:48
Tim Sudano
And he proposed to his girlfriend. His girlfriend rebukes him and says, no, no, you're sweet kid, but no.
00:15:55
Lee Hatfield
Ouch.
00:15:55
Tim Sudano
And he go he loses it. He doesn't lose it. He just kind of folds in on himself and runs away. and no one sees him for a little bit. And then he gets, I guess it's the end of the night.
00:16:07
Tim Sudano
Everyone's more or less gone. There's a couple of hangers on and there's staff still there. And suddenly this body comes flying down from the second floor balcony, which they had since sealed.
00:16:19
Tim Sudano
And he, you know, it's a second floor. You're going to break some bones for sure. But this kid was looking to end it. He went head first. So the rumor goes. Now, in investigating this and doing all the prelims,
00:16:34
Tim Sudano
What I found was that there was zero mention in the police reports, zero mention in the security reports for campus, but for these rumors. Nothing in the newspapers either.
00:16:48
Tim Sudano
no missing person, no no strange, mysterious death, nothing. It was buried. It was weird. So now we're operating on rumor. Okay, so now we have to prove it and see if the rumor has any validity through a paranormal means.
00:17:04
Tim Sudano
So we go there, and we investigate. It's mostly quiet. And at the end of our session, and we only see hear this on playback, one of my investigators asks, where are you and ah ah in relationship to me?
00:17:23
Tim Sudano
Okay, that's roughly her question. I say roughly because she... Anyway, she mumbled a couple of things. But anyway, and we had a camera. I was holding a camera. She was holding a voice recorder, and we had a second camera somewhere over here.
00:17:40
Tim Sudano
And of the three devices... Only hers recorded into a very solid EVP. And it says, I'm right next to you. And then says her name.
00:17:53
Tim Sudano
I'm right next to you, Betty. that type of thing. Her name isn't Betty. I just don't want to throw a real name out there. But
00:17:53
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:18:01
Tim Sudano
I'm right next to you, Betty.
00:18:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's.
00:18:02
Tim Sudano
And we were addressing the person who committed suicide. So yeah, we proved, we potentially, I should say, proved a rumor to be true, which is crazy.
00:18:10
Lee Hatfield
That's.
00:18:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And it's it's interesting what you just said, because as a fellow investigator, if you call us to say that you've got paranormal activity at your house, you said that you've got 30 to 40 questions. We probably have the same, but it covers nine pages.
00:18:35
Tim Sudano
Oh, good for you.
00:18:35
Lee Hatfield
yeah and we call that Yeah, and we cover absolutely everything. But you have to... do that much in-depth questioning because yeah in this day and age what a lot of people may think is paranormal has actually has got a logical explanation
00:18:47
Tim Sudano
Oh, sure.
00:18:57
Tim Sudano
Yeah, and for sure. I've.
00:19:00
Lee Hatfield
and yeah i do find that there's two kind of groups, them that go out with the intention to want to be scared and them that go out with the intention of helping individuals.
00:19:13
Tim Sudano
Right.
00:19:14
Lee Hatfield
And I think there's a, there is a split between the two of which parties want to do what.
00:19:18
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:19:21
Tim Sudano
Oh, there's a definitive split.
00:19:22
Lee Hatfield
So, oh, sure.
00:19:23
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:19:25
Lee Hatfield
So the team that you talk about, is this SCAI with the ah ah T-shirt that you're wearing in
Poltergeist Case Study
00:19:32
Tim Sudano
Yeah, scary. Yeah. It stands for the Seekers of California. I can't say my own name. The Seekers of California for Ethereal, spelled A-E-T-H-E-R-E-A-L. I can't spell either.
00:19:32
Lee Hatfield
or was this another group at the time?
00:19:44
Tim Sudano
Investigation. So scary.
00:19:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. i I'm really glad you said that because was thinking, ethereal, I sort like a sort of like, if I stumble over that, that's going to look bad, but I'm glad you did.
00:19:53
Tim Sudano
if i i I took from the Latin that A sound, and I was like, yeah, that starts with an A.
00:20:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:20:01
Tim Sudano
Otherwise, it would have been skiri.
00:20:05
Tim Sudano
It made sense.
00:20:06
Lee Hatfield
That's very true.
00:20:07
Tim Sudano
no
00:20:08
Lee Hatfield
That's very true. So you say that Scary was created around the 2010 mark. Can you...
00:20:15
Tim Sudano
Give or take, yeah, we officially went into business in 2011.
00:20:16
Lee Hatfield
can you Yeah.
00:20:20
Lee Hatfield
So can you just give us an insight into some really like cases that stick into the back of your mind at all times?
00:20:29
Tim Sudano
Oh, well, I say this on just about every other show I've been a guest on and my own, of course, but I'll tell you some basics. The one that Henry and I, again, best friend, i don't know if you can see him right there too clearly, but the one that Henry and I always refer to is what was a classic, and I mean classic, poltergeist-type haunting, but they had literally had everything happening
00:20:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:20:58
Tim Sudano
to them in this house. They had not only object manipulation, they had full-bodied apparition witnesses, they had orbs, and they had phantom sounds. And, yeah, so everything was happening this house.
00:21:13
Tim Sudano
And when we get there, we go at night. These guys are okay staying up with us at the night. So, and P.S., to those of you who don't know, if you don't have a TV show backing your play, you cannot send them to a hotel So, times a lot of times the client has to stay with you.
00:21:31
Tim Sudano
And it's okay, because they're actually good trigger objects in their own right sometimes. Not that I'm looking to use them as trigger arbitrbid objects, but it's so they also remember details outside of the initial interview.
00:21:44
Tim Sudano
was oh, you know, I forgot to mention this. That happens all the f freaking time. It's a little annoying sometimes, but par for the course.
00:21:50
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:21:51
Tim Sudano
Yeah. And so we get there, and the first thing that happens to us is one of the reported things, object manipulation. In this case, it was this, I make it 25 pounds of like this integrated dog feeder. So it had a big, big, like, don't know, two, three gallon jug of water and a two, three gallon jug of food that gravity fed into bowls.
00:22:20
Tim Sudano
And it was kind of heavy, especially when it's filled up. And we don't witness it, but we hear it but for our ears. But this thing was up against the wall.
00:22:32
Tim Sudano
And, you know we all saw it because we had a tour of the hot spots first. Lights on, then we go lights out and we hear brrrr. And this dog dish, 25-pound dog dish, moves into the middle of the kitchen.
00:22:46
Tim Sudano
Again, no camera, just audio. It's really annoying. wish we had more stuff back then, but we didn't.
00:22:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:53
Tim Sudano
And we go in there, we investigate, we turn the camera to everything because know we're shooting wide, we're way back with the camera anyway. And we go in there we investigate and Henry starts looking around. i see his head moving just so, and he he says, tim I'm going to take a few measurements. I was like, okay, go for buddy. And he measures where the dog dish lands is laterally, horizontally, or, you know, whatever it is on the floor.
00:23:23
Tim Sudano
well Longitude and latitude, I guess it would be the best way to put it. And this thing hit the exact center of that kitchen, the exact center.
00:23:33
Tim Sudano
I mean, if it we're off by a millimeter, he would be surprised. It was amazing. So we push it back. We wait for it to happen again. it doesn't.
00:23:43
Tim Sudano
Then we go back investigating the rest of the house on playback. We witness an orb, and I didn't believe in the orbs up until this point. An orb actually passes through my back, out my abdom abdomen, I can't talk, ah ah and then through my arm and out the other side.
00:24:01
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:24:03
Tim Sudano
And it wasn't a bug. A bug wouldn't do that. There were no bugs in that house. But it was bright, too. was brighter than any of the darks. occasional dust or vapor that happens in the house if it's a dirty place.
00:24:17
Tim Sudano
This thing was bright and it didn't move like a bug. It didn't zip. and You know, this thing went through me. There's also that. And I actually react at one point and scratch my hand exactly where it enters my arm.
00:24:29
Tim Sudano
My arm, rather. Scratch my arm. I can't talk. But so that was one thing. And then after that, also on playback, we had a ah ah psychic team with us on that particular hunt case. I shouldn't say hunt.
00:24:44
Tim Sudano
have People frown on that. Pardon me. And one she just kind of goes into this trance And she she has her head buried, and she's kind of crying, but it's more like her eyes are watering versus actually weeping.
00:25:03
Tim Sudano
And it's like, okay, what's wrong? but Tell me what's going on He's here. Who's here? He's Austrian. Oh, right. Now that matches the landlord, Pryor, who had passed recently.
00:25:18
Tim Sudano
ha, He's Austrian, and he's mad at you.
00:25:20
Lee Hatfield
right.
00:25:21
Tim Sudano
He's mad at me? yeah What's he mad at me for? I'm not too sure. He's not articulating. just He's shaking his hand like this. No, no, no. At you. i said, he's shaking his hand, and now I see an opportunity to escalate.
00:25:35
Tim Sudano
Okay. Because we hadn't seen that much at this point. Except for the dog dish. And so I said, oh, so I escalate and I get a little provocative. You know, I provoke a little. i So yeah if he doesn't want me here, is that what you're saying?
00:25:51
Tim Sudano
No, he doesn't want us here at all. I said, oh, well, that's too bad. He's scaring these poor people and I'm here to stop him. If he wants me out that bad, he can push me out.
00:26:01
Tim Sudano
Nothing comes of it. So he's, I said, so what's he saying now? He's just repeating himself. No, no, no. You shouldn't be here. No, no, no.
00:26:13
Tim Sudano
And then after five, 10 minutes of this, everything kind of lets up. joe He's finally gone on playback.
00:26:21
Tim Sudano
Behind, we're all sitting kind of center in the, this is in the master bedroom with us. We're all sitting center and behind her is a full length mirror.
00:26:30
Tim Sudano
We see a human form step out of the mirror. And he's kind of staticky, white.
00:26:36
Lee Hatfield
but
00:26:37
Tim Sudano
like it it's It's like a blurred, like TV snow, right? ands But it's blurred, and it's not as definitive. But it's a human form, head, shoulders, arms, legs, the whole thing.
00:26:50
Tim Sudano
And he but he has his hands on his hips for 10 minutes, and there's no real other motion. And then when the session or whatever this was ends, he walks backwards. There's no him turning around. He just walks backwards back into the mirror and disappears.
00:27:10
Tim Sudano
a
00:27:12
Lee Hatfield
That's a bit crazy.
00:27:13
Tim Sudano
That's a bit nuts. And then the one live other live thing we caught was in the same house.
00:27:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:27:19
Tim Sudano
I happen to have my camera rolling because we had just wrapped up the, an EVP session in one room. And we all hear this galloping.
00:27:29
Tim Sudano
down the hall. Now, they have dogs, but their dogs were outside on purpose.
00:27:37
Tim Sudano
And what I see with my eyes is this hunched over, leather-hided, mean, like like almost elephantine thing gallop along. It didn't appear to have a head either, but it moved like a chimp.
00:27:52
Tim Sudano
The way chimps gallop, you know, when they run, they kind of go sideways and they bruh-bruh-bruh-bruh.
00:27:56
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:59
Tim Sudano
That's exactly what I saw go down the hall. The client witnessed that as well. I had my camera pointed right at it.
00:28:07
Tim Sudano
Did not pick up on camera. I was ticked And I was in night vision too. But you hear it, but you don't see it.
00:28:16
Lee Hatfield
That's strange.
00:28:17
Tim Sudano
Yeah, that one confused me.
00:28:18
Lee Hatfield
That's very strange.
00:28:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So when you go to a location, are you one of these people who do your research on the history of the location
Geological Influences on Paranormal
00:28:31
Tim Sudano
Sure. I try to do as much research as possible. It's not easy to get all the answers you want. I also have access to a geologist who knows how to look up geology records so we can see what's happening under the house as well.
00:28:32
Lee Hatfield
or do you go in blind?
00:28:50
Tim Sudano
So that's helpful. Usually there's a lot of iron and a lot of quartz in the area of these hauntings, which is kind of a fascinating story. little thing. So, um, at least at least here in San Jose, that that's kind of the common thing.
00:29:04
Tim Sudano
I don't know about everywhere else, but, uh, iron and quartz who knew apparently it's a magnet for paranormal activity.
00:29:15
Tim Sudano
And, we, uh, pardon me, had a, uh, yeah, a case rather recently where that was the case as well. Iron and quartz in the ground.
00:29:27
Lee Hatfield
And that's interesting that you mentioned that because I know as a reputable investigator, yeah you go and you check EMF levels, you go and check black mold, you go and check radiation and all the normal stuff.
00:29:43
Tim Sudano
oh Yeah.
00:29:47
Lee Hatfield
But a lot of people don't check geological sources. Sometimes it's not possible.
00:29:56
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:29:56
Lee Hatfield
But that's a really good resource to have because yeah the iron or yeah or the core can actually affect your instruments for a start.
00:30:07
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:30:08
Lee Hatfield
And it can actually affect so yeah some results. And yeah in some cases, it can provide people with, like, make them make them feel ill, depending on if it's in the water source and stuff like that.
00:30:20
Tim Sudano
Oh, sure.
00:30:20
Lee Hatfield
So i how often do you use this guy?
00:30:21
Tim Sudano
yeah
00:30:25
Tim Sudano
I use it as often as I can. It's not always available, but I use it as often as I can because it is telling just because of past investigators who've done stuff like that and had, you know, drawn up that correlation that we just talked about.
00:30:44
Tim Sudano
And if I see something similar, I can say, okay, are we talking about the the crystalline stuff in the quartz actually storing given energies and memories and stuff like that, like a recorder?
00:30:57
Tim Sudano
You know, we were we we're just now experimenting, really, finally, experimenting with not only piezoelectricity, but the ability for said crystals to actually, when you decompress them, they'll actually absorb energy, which is crazy.
00:31:14
Tim Sudano
i mean, so...
00:31:14
Lee Hatfield
Oh, okay.
00:31:17
Tim Sudano
Yeah, so crystal under under pressure will expel energy, and a crystal relieves a said pressure, will absorb it, which is just amazing to me. And that includes all kinds. Apparently, they've had a lot of success with data transfer, too, using crystals. I mean, it's right at Stargate. It's kind of funny.
00:31:35
Tim Sudano
Oh,
00:31:38
Lee Hatfield
I've learned something today now about crystals.
00:31:40
Tim Sudano
oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:43
Tim Sudano
Quartz crystals specifically.
00:31:44
Lee Hatfield
So are you also... Okay, cool. Okay, I'll just make a note of that. this meet you mean court
00:31:49
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:31:51
Lee Hatfield
So are you a team that will use the proverbial gadgets or do you stick with the basics of audio, video? yeah Do you have you like your REM pods and that kind of stuff?
00:32:03
Tim Sudano
You know, I never really invested in them. have tried them on as a guest investigator on other things. And I find that they are for the most part, I don't want to say unreliable, but easily foulable.
00:32:20
Tim Sudano
I mean, they're the fool. a they I'm able to fill the, fool these things with a wrote, with a CB or walkie talkie rather, you know, REM pods, especially,
00:32:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:32:30
Tim Sudano
The things I trust are, and even even then, even in saying this, i my experience is limited. I like the SLS cameras, although I think those are fallible too, to a degree.
00:32:45
Tim Sudano
Because, yeah, they could they could lock onto a false object. I've seen it happen. So a false positive is definitely possible. But for the most part, they do some interesting things.
00:32:56
Tim Sudano
but I, yeah, I'm a video guy. I sound recording. Absolutely. And, we use, infrared and UV enhancement as well when required, uh, mostly infrared enhancement, just to give the cameras more of a focal field of, you know, if have anything's going on the background, we see a weird flash, but if we have a flashlight on it, that's infrared.
00:33:15
Lee Hatfield
Right.
00:33:19
Tim Sudano
We see it all. It's, it's pretty cool. So,
00:33:23
Lee Hatfield
Because it's quite interesting.
00:33:23
Tim Sudano
Oh, and EMF meters. I like EMF meters too.
00:33:26
Lee Hatfield
ah ah yeah Yeah. so So I have a Trifield that, because it's designed to be be used in everyday life, it's more trustworthy than a little box that's got flashy lights on it.
00:33:42
Lee Hatfield
because yeah yeah there's no there's no gauge on that whereas with a trifield you can actually get good solid numbers of how high the the emf is and as a team we do have some of the other gadgets we do have a rempod but like you say they can be extremely easily manipulated
00:33:43
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:33:51
Tim Sudano
yeah
00:34:05
Tim Sudano
Yes.
00:34:06
Lee Hatfield
But we will we will test them, and we will also put them in a location where there's no no power at all. So yeah you can rule out that it's being dealt with by electrical activity.
00:34:20
Lee Hatfield
We don't use radios. All the yeah cell phones are either kept at the base station or put in airplane mode.
00:34:22
Tim Sudano
Okay.
00:34:27
Lee Hatfield
But even then, we keep everything that can interfere with them away from from them. So if they do go off, We don't say, oh that's gone off because of X, Y and z We look into the reasons why it went off.
00:34:39
Tim Sudano
Right.
00:34:42
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, was there any electrical activity in the close by? Did somebody accidentally use their cell phone yeah and that kind of thing? So we do use them, but we don't rely on them, like you said, because of all the false positives.
00:34:59
Tim Sudano
Right. No, i I mean, that's the chief reason I didn't invest. I radios it. You know, if I'm investigating like a giant mansion, might come in handy, but at the same time, I would just say, yell. Yeah.
00:35:12
Tim Sudano
Uh, because like I said, we've, I'm, I remember it wasn't just me too. A few other investigators, even some of the TV investigators have, have run into that too, where they get a false positive because they're chatting on the radio.
00:35:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:35:27
Tim Sudano
so no, that's a good practice. Keep your phones in airplane mode. Yeah, we we do our best to do that as well. I do have a couple of phone apps I like to use and when it comes to the,
00:35:39
Tim Sudano
I just forgot what they're called. The speak box. Oh gosh.
00:35:44
Lee Hatfield
Spirit box.
00:35:45
Tim Sudano
Spirit box. my God.
00:35:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:35:49
Tim Sudano
Spirit box or the ovulus or something along those lines.
00:35:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:35:52
Tim Sudano
The word bank. Some of those are, I I'm 50, 50 and using the word bank, but we've had some interesting results where the same words pop up on two different word banks. That's kind of our,
00:36:04
Tim Sudano
or gauge is like, Oh, okay. Or very similar words that mean the same thing. So once in a while, the i'll give the ovulus or whatever that a spirit box, a credit, but at the same time, you have to imagine it was built for entertainment chiefly.
00:36:11
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:36:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:36:23
Tim Sudano
but So meant to scare the user.
00:36:23
Lee Hatfield
yeah and and that's the important And that's the important thing, and because I always tell people, if you are going to use something like an app, or you're going to use a novelist or a spirit box, just because it is throwing words out, it doesn't mean that these words are relevant to the investigation.
00:36:44
Tim Sudano
Right.
00:36:45
Lee Hatfield
And that's the kind of thing that you that you have to enforce. So a perfect example, we went to an investigation last year in a private dwelling. And as you pull up to the house, there was a cemetery on the left, a graveyard on the right,
00:37:02
Lee Hatfield
Half of his house was built 1875. Half of it was built in 1950. And when we went into his basement, we switched on one of these apps and it came up with cemetery graveyard, 1950, but we only switched it on.
00:37:17
Tim Sudano
hu
00:37:19
Lee Hatfield
We only switched it on when it went, when we went down into the basement.
00:37:22
Tim Sudano
Okay.
00:37:24
Lee Hatfield
So yeah. So it's gone.
00:37:25
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:37:26
Lee Hatfield
Okay. Explain that. and and but And we couldn't, it was like, it was so weird.
00:37:31
Tim Sudano
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I find it interesting when it, those devices come up with relevant turns and sometimes you can, you can build upon, you know, just the human mind, the way it works, it can build upon certain terminology or words in in particular.
00:37:50
Tim Sudano
But, I mean, that's pretty close, Cemetery Graveyard 1950, and you know those are the facts before you even turn the thing on. So, there you go.
00:37:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:00
Tim Sudano
Do you operate those in airplane mode as well?
00:38:01
Lee Hatfield
So is there any? Exactly. yeah we Yeah, exactly. We do.
00:38:05
Tim Sudano
but Good, good, good, good, good.
00:38:05
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So that made that made it even more.
00:38:08
Tim Sudano
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:09
Tim Sudano
Perfect.
00:38:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. but So do you do you have a favorite kind of location that you would like to investigate?
00:38:19
Tim Sudano
You know, i i most, the bulk of my experiences have been in personal homes.
Winchester Mystery House Investigation
00:38:26
Tim Sudano
There was one instance, I think it was a couple of years ago now, where we went to ah ah haunted attraction called the Winchester Mystery House out here in California.
00:38:37
Tim Sudano
And if you haven't heard of it, look it up. you'll There's even a movie about it called Sarah Winchester. you can watch that and get a general idea of what's what happened.
00:38:49
Tim Sudano
But Sarah's story is interesting. She had this gigantic mansion. She was part of the Winchester gun family, the weapon that won the West here in America.
00:39:00
Tim Sudano
I don't know about Canada necessarily, but probably. But anyway, they built this huge place and it was on a sprawling bunch of acreage out here back of the day.
00:39:13
Tim Sudano
and when her After husband passed, she consulted a spiritualist, and that spiritualist got in touch with a who knows what, a spirit or whatever.
00:39:24
Tim Sudano
And she said, she gave her an interesting thing. She says, keep building. Keep building, and it'll keep all the bad spirits at bay.
00:39:32
Tim Sudano
Excellent. Okay, so she did that.
00:39:35
Tim Sudano
She kept building.
00:39:35
Lee Hatfield
Okay?
00:39:35
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:39:36
Tim Sudano
This mansion ended up with something like 199
00:39:41
Tim Sudano
three floors and a footprint of almost like half an acre or something like that.
00:39:42
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:39:49
Tim Sudano
Something crazy like that. And anyway, so we go there and it's just, you know, we hear about the hauntings and the spirits and we know sometimes they see Sarah Winchester herself and all that.
00:40:00
Tim Sudano
So we went as a team on the tour. And at one point the tour, and I've been to this place several times myself as an individual. Never saw anything. But on this occasion, I look back because we're cheating. We're hanging back the behind the door.
00:40:18
Tim Sudano
And we're we taking a little videos and stuff. And son of a gun, if I didn't stop my video and I'm about to leave and I see this dude. with a mustache and a hat and coveralls, working on something like he's sawing or hammering. I couldn't tell which.
00:40:36
Tim Sudano
And he looks up and he kind of smiles, and then he goes back to work, and then he fades away. And he was kind of purplish. And his hue, just the whole thing had a purple hue to it. And i I tell my team, I said, oh that's crazy. That's nuts. Okay, document that. And I do my best and on we go.
00:40:54
Tim Sudano
Maybe another 10 minutes into the tour, we hit the service stairs going up. to another location. And if you look on below me on the wall of the steps, there's a few of the workers here. And if you look to the left of this one picture, there's this guy that always shows up.
00:41:12
Tim Sudano
People always see him around the grounds. And we think his ghost is stuck here.
00:41:16
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:41:16
Tim Sudano
His name was this, that, and the other thing. Well, so that guy was that guy. Across the front row of these workers was the guy I saw in the hat with the mustache, the big handlebar mustache.
00:41:30
Tim Sudano
Same overalls and shirt, and he had this plucky little smile to him. I was like, dude, that's the guy, I pointed out to my team.
00:41:35
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:41:38
Tim Sudano
was like, oh my gosh, he saw one for real. At least I did.
00:41:41
Lee Hatfield
that That's pity pretty, pretty bizarre.
00:41:46
Tim Sudano
Yeah,
00:41:46
Lee Hatfield
So at what point, well, that's good because that makes it all part the fun.
00:41:46
Tim Sudano
I still get chills thinking about it. Exactly.
00:41:53
Tim Sudano
Exactly.
00:41:54
Lee Hatfield
So after being an investigator with scary for ah few years, at what point did you decide that you were going to start doing paranormal insight, the podcast?
Podcast Creation During Pandemic
00:42:07
Tim Sudano
Paranormal Insight came about, as it did with most ah recently, because of the pandemic. I still wanted to help people. no one was calling us, and no one would be calling us for a while, just because the lockdown and everything else associated with that.
00:42:24
Tim Sudano
And it was way to continue to help people. So I i hopped on. i think I was a guest on the podcast first. And then my am my partner in Scary, JJ, I think maybe you met her or interviewed her.
00:42:44
Lee Hatfield
ah ah Yeah, um planning planning to interview her in a few weeks when she's fully recovered from an incident.
00:42:47
Tim Sudano
okay.
00:42:50
Tim Sudano
Oh, yes. Okay.
00:42:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:42:52
Tim Sudano
Gotcha. Anyway, she said... you know what, you you should be a guest on this guy's show. it was like, oh, yeah, okay, I'll do that. Why not?
00:43:03
Tim Sudano
So I met ah Eric Zilacci. if you know who that is, on the Uncomfortable podcast. And i after we were done, I talked and I said, hey do you think I should do a podcast as well? Because I'm thinking about doing it.
00:43:16
Tim Sudano
He says, yeah, it's a bit of a saturated market, but you know you have your own take on things and you have your own experience that you can share with people and maybe even advice stuff. So yeah, I mean, you you have more to say than what you said on this show. And he says, yeah, I sure do.
00:43:30
Tim Sudano
And that kind of would what is what started So i put a little brand together and ta-da! Here we are.
00:43:41
Lee Hatfield
Here we are. Yeah, because it's it's it's interesting that you say that it's a saturated market. But when I first started doing or looking into doing this podcast, I didn't just want to concentrate on ghost stories or yeah spooky locations.
00:44:01
Lee Hatfield
So I kind of Googled the word the word paranormal, and then I saw all the different subsections. So I thought myself, right, I'm just going to cover as much of these subsections as I can.
00:44:14
Lee Hatfield
And that means having so many...
00:44:15
Tim Sudano
Yeah.
00:44:18
Lee Hatfield
different people on the podcast you can be talking about fairies one week talking to a demonologist the next week you know ufo investigator the next and and there's so many different subjects that you can that you can cover so do you kind of stick to one type of story on your podcast or do you cover the whole spectrum as well
00:44:21
Tim Sudano
yeah
00:44:42
Tim Sudano
I cover as much of the spectrum as I can. in fact, this coming Thursday, we're going to kind of talk about that. I have this thing, and it it goes by many different names, but I kind of re-termed it, kind of fit my own model in my head, and I call it the Paranormal M-Theory. So we're going to be talking about that on my show this coming week.
00:45:03
Lee Hatfield
Oh, cool.
00:45:04
Tim Sudano
And so if you know what M-Theory is, it's the paranormal version of that. so and i Again, I think it goes by unification or unidim theory or something else like that. I can't really recall at this point.
00:45:18
Tim Sudano
but So I'm not the first one to come up with this concept, but I do have my own name for it, at least.
00:45:27
Lee Hatfield
Cool. Yeah. And it's like I was i talking to some guys on a podcast that I recorded the middle of last week. And what I always find interesting is you can have 10 different people on either ghosts or cryptids or UFOs.
00:45:47
Lee Hatfield
And every single story is different.
00:45:50
Tim Sudano
Oh, yeah.
00:45:51
Lee Hatfield
You know, everybody's experienced something different and it's never going to be the same story twice.
00:45:58
Tim Sudano
Very, very, very rarely.
00:45:58
Lee Hatfield
And that's that's what I look.
00:46:00
Tim Sudano
Absolutely, that's the case. Absolutely, that's the case.
00:46:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:03
Tim Sudano
Once while, I have some overlap.
00:46:04
Lee Hatfield
And that's what I do like.
00:46:04
Tim Sudano
Did you hear the story about this, that, and the other thing? is oh yeah, someone on last week said, okay, so you know what's going on. I said, I usually give them a chance, though. I said, why don't you recap it for the audience in case they weren't there that week?
00:46:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:46:16
Tim Sudano
Great idea, and they do.
00:46:17
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. Yeah. so So speaking to you personally, not as an investigator, not as a podcast host,
00:46:28
Tim Sudano
and
00:46:29
Lee Hatfield
Do you have as much interest in like cryptids and UFOs as what you do ghosts and spirits? Or do you kind of like, okay, would like to, yeah.
00:46:37
Tim Sudano
Absolutely.
00:46:41
Tim Sudano
Oh, absolutely. No, I, my, uh, my interest has always been varied because my personal experience, I've literally seen everything, every single one of those aspects of, you majorly.
00:46:53
Tim Sudano
And if I've had my own psychic experiences ranging from seeing ghosts and being psychic in that way, I suppose, uh, ah versus Then all the way to telepathy I've experienced.
00:47:06
Tim Sudano
And I've experienced, with I mean, like literally communicating with someone else telepathically the same room.
00:47:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:47:14
Tim Sudano
Wow. I mean, that was just a bizarre experience in and of itself. but But I've seen UFOs and I've been on a Bigfoot hunt where I actually found evidence. So all these, all those major things.
00:47:27
Tim Sudano
you know top for three or four or five, whatever it happens to be, categories and their subcategories. Absolutely interesting. Absolutely. And I do talk about them on the show.
00:47:38
Lee Hatfield
Because it's kind of weird.
00:47:38
Tim Sudano
And they've actually given me more...
00:47:40
Lee Hatfield
Sorry.
00:47:40
Tim Sudano
I'm sorry. and you are
00:47:43
Lee Hatfield
phone That's OK. That's OK. Carry on. Carry on.
00:47:46
Tim Sudano
I was going to say that in doing this show, it really made me delve back into the research of these various things. And it has maintained my interest in all these. So I'm i'm absorbing all kinds of new information. oh but There was a sighting in Washington. that There was a sighting in Montana. as UFOs are doing this crazy thing in Florida, that type of thing.
00:48:05
Tim Sudano
But so, yeah, I'm very much into pretty much the entire paranormal spectrum.
00:48:11
Lee Hatfield
That's really cool. Okay, Tim, we are coming towards the end. so where can people find you? Where can people find your podcast? And what's next on the agenda for Tim?
00:48:23
Tim Sudano
Next on the agenda for Tim. Okay, I'll go backwards if that's okay.
00:48:27
Lee Hatfield
That's fine.
00:48:28
Tim Sudano
So as I mentioned, this coming Thursday, 12 p.m. Pacific, 3 p.m. Eastern in the U.S., we will be having a discussion about the paranormal M-theory, or sometimes called the unity theory or the unified theory of the paranormal.
00:48:46
Tim Sudano
Basically talking about all the things I've seen, all the things have been discussed on the show, and what the possible interconnectivity and relationships are between all these different things. you can find that show on the UPRN network and they go by the, oh my goodness, I'm going to blank on the name now, aren't I?
00:49:07
Tim Sudano
The,
00:49:10
Tim Sudano
UFO paranormal something. It's on YouTube, but yeah look up the UPRN.com. You can go right to the proper site. I can be found on YouTube individually as well.
00:49:22
Tim Sudano
I saw my cast my show to the UPRN and network. I can be found on, youtube.com slash the at sign paranormal underscore insight.
00:49:35
Tim Sudano
Or if you want to talk to me directly, paranormal.insight.podcast at gmail.com. I will respond to you.
00:49:46
Tim Sudano
And I am also on the internet, mostly just intro videos of what's coming up next for me, little teasers, not even teasers really, or just me saying, hey, here's what's coming up, who's the guest? But I can be found at paranormal.insight on Instagram. And that's it.
00:50:07
Lee Hatfield
Okay, but that's it. Okay, my friend. and i i know that you and I are going to see each other, like, very soon, actually.
00:50:16
Tim Sudano
Very soon.
00:50:17
Lee Hatfield
well i you Maybe in about a week, I think it was.
00:50:18
Tim Sudano
lee's going to be a guest on my show.
00:50:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Oh, you've just let the cat out of the bag.
00:50:24
Tim Sudano
oh did I see that?
00:50:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:50:25
Tim Sudano
Oh, no.
00:50:31
Lee Hatfield
Not problem. Tim, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you. I've loved hearing about your stories and about Scary.
00:50:35
Tim Sudano
For me, too.
00:50:38
Lee Hatfield
And thank you for your time. And I'll be seeing you again very, very soon.
00:50:44
Tim Sudano
Very, very soon.
00:50:44
Lee Hatfield
Thanks a lot, my friend.
00:50:45
Tim Sudano
Fantastic. Thanks for having me on. i appreciate it
00:50:47
Lee Hatfield
Take care. You're welcome. Bye-bye.
00:50:49
Tim Sudano
Bye-bye.