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Exposing the Lies About Our World | Flat Earth Dave
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They lie about everything... except the world we live on. Sure...
We don't what the Earth is, but it is safe to say it is not a spinning ball in space circling around the sun...
Flat Earth Dave has been exposing lies and conspiracies for a long time. Join us as we discuss what is possibly the BIGGEST lie and conspiracy - about the very cosmology of our world.
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Transcript
Christian's Big Reveal
00:00:00
Speaker
All right. Christian, what did you just say I'm nervous as hell because I'm coming out of the closet here. All right. Well, that's going to be interesting. So you've never discussed this with your with your listeners?
00:00:16
Speaker
I just had Mike Wilkerson on the pod. It's not been published yet, but we talked about you and it. All right. so So is that... Wait, hold on a second. Wait a second.
00:00:27
Speaker
does Does your... Do your followers know of Mike Wickerson's work? um I'm sure some of them do because a lot of them would be like from, but a lot of my followers are like from Tinfo, Hat, Charlie Robinson, Microaggression. For the most part, listeners are really awesome people. A lot of them are my have been clients or our current clients.
00:00:51
Speaker
And we've talked about, you know, the globe lies with some clients, Intimidate and Acapulco, even on our coachman my coaching calls. Sometimes we discuss things like that. so The reason I was asking is because after Mike, Flat Earth should be nothing.
Technical Setup Challenges
00:01:07
Speaker
Of course, right? Right? But listen, just just just for my I just want to say what's going to start. So for for my listeners, I just want to say what happened about 2018, I was going down deep conspiracy rabbit holes all the way to the like the stuff that's coming out now now with the Epstein files. I mean, like I wasn't specifically like researching Epstein, but all the... Go ahead.
00:01:31
Speaker
Let's start. Let's just tell the story on the podcast. Oh, I thought we were recording already. No, we are recording, but we didn't start yet. I i thought we could include this. We could include it. All right. But i want I want to include it after the intro. All right.
Introduction to Connecting Minds Podcast
00:01:45
Speaker
Okay. All oh i is this Is this your podcast? This is going to be your podcast. we we We can have it on yours and mine. No problem. i No, no, no, no. I'm just saying with ah I'm the guest on your podcast.
00:01:59
Speaker
Yes. Okay. Yes. i Want to know the setup? All right. Okay. And did you hit record? Did you remember to hit record? oh Wait, hold on. Shit, I got to record On the bottom. can't. No, you can. Wait.
00:02:10
Speaker
Hit the more button and then record and it'll record. All right. All right. Record to computer. oh i you you need to let me ah record to the cloud. I can only record to the computer. but No, you can record to the cloud.
00:02:25
Speaker
it says it's not allowed. It's not allowed? It says because you're recording. I think only one can record at the same time. Oh, um I disagree with that, but I'll record and I'll send you the video.
00:02:36
Speaker
Okay, and I'll record with the computer just as a backup. Yeah, there you go. There we go.
Guest's Background and Path to Conspiracy Theories
00:02:41
Speaker
Let me just click on, make sure I'm recording. Record. Okay, I'm recording. Sweet. All right, so... All right, folks. Welcome back to the Connecting Minds podcast. Christian Jordonov here. Today's special, special guest. He's a real crowd pleaser. He feels... the house, jam he jam packs the house every time he speaks so I've seen him at Anarcapulco three times. But I'll tell you, for me this journey started in 2018.
00:03:07
Speaker
I was going down deep rabbit holes and actually at at one point I said to my wife, man I'm seeing, this was when YouTube wasn't censoring, so said to my wife, you know, oh she wasn't my wife yet, but you know I said to her, listen I'm gonna do it, like just going to spend a week or two researching this flatter stuff because these i want to see what these schizos are all about. like like It will be an interesting psychology experiment. See what the fuck is up with these guys. And now, and I said this to Mike when he was on my podcast um a couple of days ago, I said, now, if you put a gun to my head and you tell me, and you ask me
00:03:42
Speaker
is it a globe a spinning globe in space and I get the answer wrong and I get my head blown off I am without skipping a beat I'm saying it's not a spinning globe and I don't know what it is none of us know what it is but for sure i am no um I know it's not a spinning globe so with that said little intro Flatter Dave, man.
00:04:04
Speaker
but to the show. Hey, thanks, Christian. And for my listeners, i tell people who who you are real quick. I met you at NRKopoco. You were a speaker. Go ahead. Give us the 30-second elevator pitch.
00:04:15
Speaker
Yeah, so I am a functional health practitioner. ah help i help ah the vast majority of my clients are from Tin 4 Hat, Charlie Robinson's podcast, Macro Aggression. So from the Truth and Freedom communities, most of the people I've been working with over the last several years. And I help people restore health when they have multiple health challenges, things like that, increase their longevity. I'm a longevity author. I've i've written in a couple of books. One was on autism back in 2020. I published a book on autism. And then my latest book two years ago was, it's called How to Actually Live Longer, Volume 1. And my next book will be called something along the lines of the fasting delusion, exposing the sign of that fasting is. And that's me in a nutshell.
Mike Wilkerson and Flat Earth Theories
00:05:00
Speaker
All right. Awesome. And we were just talking about the beginning where you said you had Mike Wilkerson on Wilkerson. For those of you have don't know biogeology on the app in the Tartaria section, if you haven't checked out Mike's work yet, it's, ah oh it's, it's, it was hard for me to accept it, but the evidence is like the evidence of flat earth. It is undeniable.
00:05:24
Speaker
I am, ah if I'm lucky enough, in September they're doing a bit of a gathering there in Spain. Yeah, I'm going. I'll be able to make, oh, you're going. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. i'm Amazing. am I might try to make the last two days of that, and and if we can go up that hill, that would be amazing to to see that elephant or whatever, that that creature, massive 350 meters. Yeah, no, it's right there. It's right there. It is. And um I think it's not, it's oh, it's on the app right here. The Guru Gathering. If you go into the shopping section on the app, if you want to go, limited tickets. ah you can They're going to do a full concert like he's never done before.
00:05:56
Speaker
um And it's going to be such a great gathering of ah of many, many legends. So that's in the app on the shopping cart section or on my web website. You can find a banner um and and get your tickets now.
00:06:10
Speaker
Are you going to the Liverpool co-event in April? No, I was not invited. um ah that Who's the guy that runs Libra Poco? Vit. Vit. Vit hates Flat Earth. He thinks it's the dumbest thing ever, and he will not address it. He actually came up to me at the one of the parties that we had there. We had like a VIP party, and he came up to me like – saying the dumbest crap ever, but he was out of his mind drunk.
00:06:37
Speaker
Right. And, and I was just like, I'm dealing with a drunk Glover, right? He absolutely thinks Flatirons is stupid. And then he goes, because you'd fall off the edge because straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man. mean, he only knows straw man arguments that, and, and so if that's what you think Flatirons is, then it's dumb.
00:06:57
Speaker
But that's the thing, man, like and maybe you can you can kind of enlighten some of our listeners. Yeah. um That's the whole thing. As soon as you begin this kind of thing, we the the whole social engineering aspect is to create these sort of people.
00:07:15
Speaker
And I've got nothing against vi I actually think he's doing amazing work. i think I love it. It's amazing, but he just has a blind spot. But but that's the thing. I also ah i have friends that I've lost some friends, but also friends that are like, man, you're a fucking smart guy. And I think maybe that's your problem because the ego and that's is this is how they they play on, on male especially male egos. i find Females are much more able to then transcend that part of their ego. that How dare you say that I was duped this entire time of my life? you know how How dare? So they play on on our male, and many most of us males have this sort of strong ego.
00:07:52
Speaker
um that you simply, it's like the, what was it, I forgot who the guy said it, but it's easier to fool us than to convince us that we've been fooled. So, do you know, yeah maybe you can give us some of the strategies they employ to really just shoot down any sort of dissenting view.
00:08:12
Speaker
Biologically, they're making, they're calcifying our pineal glands and destroying our connection with creation with, you know, the jibby jabs and everything else.
Belief vs. Knowledge: Educational Indoctrination
00:08:21
Speaker
So they're they're literally, you know, calcifying our brains so we can't think.
00:08:26
Speaker
And they' they've they've shortened everyone's attention span up and nobody, you know, it is easier to believe than it is to know, right? Christian, I live in Connecticut. It's right near New York. It's on the southeast corner of Connecticut.
00:08:41
Speaker
You know where that is, right? You got your geography? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. All right, so where do I live?
00:08:46
Speaker
You live... um What state? You live in and Connecticut? is Connecticut, yeah, yeah. So you believe that. Yeah. Yeah. So belief is easy. It takes no effort. Now someone's holding a poop you to your head and they say, where does they live? If you get it wrong, you're dead.
00:09:05
Speaker
Where do I live? Oh, shit. you you well you live living in Do you know it? or you know where I live? i not been there. my my point is and my point is My point is it's easier to believe than it is to know.
00:09:20
Speaker
right to know takes time and effort and energy, critical thought, and and sometimes growing up ah going up against the mainstream beliefs.
00:09:31
Speaker
Right. go Go to a group of first graders and tell them Santa Claus isn't real. Right. yeah That's going to be a battle. It's going to be a battle. I mean, I think you can win eventually, but, but you have a lot of crying kids, you know, some threats to you. Yeah. Yeah. but yeah yeah but but But my point is belief is the enemy of knowing. So that's how they do it. They, they, yeah they only promote, you know,
00:09:55
Speaker
ah stuff that that is easy to believe. Like, for example, one of the one of the things that they do, they they brainwash us early in school, and I'm going to show you guys a video that you all have seen. Now, how do I know you've all seen this video? Because this is how they this is how they get you. So,
00:10:13
Speaker
Hopefully i have it. And but while you're pulling that up, I want to say right now with my stuff around fasting and what a scam it is that you can starve yourself to better health and longevity, I sometimes right now feel I would sooner convince people that the earth is not a globe than that fasting is bad for them. You know what I mean? And i'm I feel like I'm facing a similar battle, obviously not as humongous as yours. Well, we're we're going to discuss that and in a and a moment because I have some questions about that. Yeah.
00:10:43
Speaker
Everyone's seen the video, but everyone's seen the video of um Bill Nye, the science guy, showing a boat going over a ball and the bottom disappears first. Right. And that was shown to every kid, every adult.
00:10:55
Speaker
It's easy to understand. But bottom up obstruction is not exclusive to a flat earth. It's necessary on a ball. but it's not exclusive because there is bottom up obstruction on a flat earth. And that's a longer, more complex, but easy to understand explanation, but people don't want to take the time. And a five-year-old would have a hard time understanding it because it has to do with perspective. It has to do with what I call the ramp of opacity and um and the way we see lines going away from us us. A tilted line up going into the distance will look level.
00:11:32
Speaker
It'll look level to you depending on yeah on um you know how far how far you're shooting it. So harder to understand. But here's the thing. when somebody challenges a belief or what you think is an understanding of something that you've been certified in, you know, like in grad school, you learn this thing and you learn it inside out, you got straight A's, you're really good at memorizing and regurgitating. And then 25 years later, someone goes, oh, that's absolutely wrong. The opposite is true, right?
00:12:04
Speaker
You revert to that 25 year old in grad school. And you argue from that mentality. So when you tell someone that the earth is flat, they become a five-year-old because that's when they learned it.
00:12:16
Speaker
And they argue with the mentality of a five-year-old. And they argue on things that they were told that slipped by their conscious screen and went into their subconscious as truth.
00:12:28
Speaker
Did you know that I used to be the president of the United States? You saw that in my, I think I did that in my ah in my and my presentation. right I used to be president united States. you know that?
00:12:41
Speaker
I did not know that. I really was. right I was president of the you you don't you're not where are You're in the UK? Portugal. portugal so you're in Portugal. You don't know much about American politics.
00:12:53
Speaker
You probably stored that information as he said he was president united states I think it's bullshit. But I really don't care to look into it. Right. Now, someone in the United States that's very familiar with the politics would immediately start that it's completely false. No need to ever look any farther.
00:13:08
Speaker
That's pretty much how you stored it. Right. So um but later on in life, I'm learning things and. and they, about
Shaping Beliefs in Children
00:13:18
Speaker
the presidents, and they show me this in a textbook, right? So at a five-year-old, I stored that as, all right, he's president the States. And then as the seven-year-old in history class, they're talking about presidents, and they show me this. And no one's ever challenging this. And then in a movie, they the mentioned Dave Weiss, the former president. That becomes part of your understanding of the world. 25 years later, you say, Dave Weiss never president. You're going to argue that I was, even though you have no proof.
00:13:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's one of the techniques that they use. It's a good one. Man, it's and it's crazy. it tell this I'll tell you this right now. um My daughter, because we have a lot of books and stuff, and and she for some reason she really likes the dinosaurs, and I don't blame her because when I was like 9, 10, I had a solar system poster, I had a dinosaur poster, but now tell take this out. I'm telling her when we read that book with the the dinosaur pictures, I'm telling her because sometimes she'll get like in a storybook, she'll like, oh, but why this and why that? I'm like, listen, it's just a story, baby. It's just a story. So with the dinosaurs, I tell her, you know, they didn't exist. It's just a story for kids. and But the thing is with my wife, she doesn't as vehemently believe some of these things, even though she's you know she's very, very um like switched on. um So she would explain to her that they existed and they died off. So my, then my daughter, like four, dude, I got like, I got like two women now ah arguing against me. um It's really unfair. But my four year old is like, no, they existed. Now they don't exist. And like, no, no, no, they didn't exist. That's because that, listen to this. So this is, this is, here's a technique they use.
00:14:55
Speaker
Did you teach, how old is your daughter? Four. You guys have Santa Claus in Portugal? We don't brainwash too much of the bullshit, honestly. Alright, did your daughter ever believe in Santa Claus? We have it.
00:15:08
Speaker
Well, like, we I mean, like they talk about it in school, but we don't... Alright, so here in America and and and many, many, many parts of the world... they convince kids that there's a Santa Claus and the parents do, and they use it as bribery for half of the year. You know, you keep that up.
00:15:25
Speaker
Santa Claus isn't going to come. Boom. yeah hit behave on And so you use that and you're reinforcing Santa, Santa, Santa, Santa. santa Then I don't know, seven years old, 10 years old. If I know Santa's not true, you just broke that kid's brain.
00:15:37
Speaker
My parents lied to me on a level that is uncomprehensible. So then, you you know going going back earlier, why why you're you know when they first go to school, kids are excited to go to school, kindergarten, first grade, and their teachers are gods.
00:15:54
Speaker
Their teachers would never lie, and what's in the book would never not be true. So then they teach more things. Dinosaurs. The first thing that kids learn in school is the orbits of the sun and the moon. The moon goes around the earth. The earth goes around the sun. Everyone gets these worksheets.
00:16:12
Speaker
Why? Because that is the foundation of their belief.
Questioning the Globe Narrative
00:16:16
Speaker
Then you tell kids later, you know, yeah high school kids are the absolute worst. Seniors in high school, I present to a bunch of classes every year.
00:16:24
Speaker
These kids are so indoctrinated. And if you happen to mention the creator or God as any person, Part of the story, they immediately write you off. they they School is to take God out of the picture, to make you believe you live on a spinning ball, that you're insignificant, that there is no creator. You're a random chance in an expanding universe, and that depowers you.
00:16:47
Speaker
Then all of the chemicals I talked about at the beginning that go in your body, they pal calcify your pineal gland. Your pineal gland is literally your Wi-Fi antenna that connects you to spirituality and more.
00:16:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, bro. It's fucked up. It's so messed up, man. It's so messed up. But I'm i'm like, um I'm kind of fighting back and I'm ah i'm truly like, I've been grappling with this. what am How am I going to talk about these things to her? And I'm not going to like make it weird. Obviously, I don't want to piss my wife off, obviously. But... It's going to happen. cannot like and So so with with the Santa thing, we're not we're not doing the BS. But we do have... that The thing is, in order to get her pat to to ah leave the pacifier, to stop the pacifier a few years back, um we had to invent the pacifier fairy.
00:17:37
Speaker
But like we we felt guilty immediately after. We were kind of bullshitting her, and it's not really really not good. So once that did the job, we stopped that as well. because You know what you do? we what i think I just thought of this now, and tell me if this is traumatizing.
00:17:51
Speaker
You get a picture of somebody with really bad, horrifying-looking buck teeth, and you say, yeah you want your teeth to look like this? And the kids will be petrified, and they'll they'll spit out their pacifier.
00:18:04
Speaker
that that That's my strategy to help her to, because she breathes through the mouth quite a lot. So with kids, it's very important to get them to breathe nasally. And one of the best ways as they get a little bit older is to show them like ah like a long sort of open mouth. like Look how that kid looks.
00:18:20
Speaker
You want your face to look like that? You you want to have... Yeah, no couldy that when the paiffi yeah you do that Yeah. There is better ways to I think, but let let's discuss, so I wanna, there's so many threads to pull here, but for someone that's a little bit, let's say naive to the topic still, how how would you approach it? Where are the first chinks in the armor, the cracks of the sort of globe narrative that you can start easily helping people just kind of yeah question it? You can start with the moon landing, we can start with there's no pictures of Earth, but where would you start? The answer is it's different for every single person. So now if you're in the if you're getting into Flat Earth and you alert you want to learn more, you know on my app here, on the More Resources page, which is the which is that button right there, the SpiderWeb button, um you click it.
00:19:09
Speaker
And right here, full-length videos. These are great documentaries. google Google will never feed you them. They're hidden from you unless you know their exact name. um Start watching those. But it's different for every person. Like one person will be like, well, you know, I believe in God and the Bible. Well, start with the biblical section. I got a whole biblical section on the on the app.
00:19:28
Speaker
um And there's all there's all sorts of stuff. But What I like to do is someone, I go, do you believe the Earth is a globe? And they go, absolutely, 100%. like, oh, 100%. Cool. What's the radius? I don't know. What's the circumference?
00:19:40
Speaker
I don't know. How fast is it orbiting? How fast is it spinning? How fast is it from the sun? How did they figure it out? How wide is sun? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I go, so you don't know anything about the ball.
00:19:52
Speaker
I'm sure what you think about flat Earth is also wrong. How are you in this argument? How are you in this argument? Okay. I use this example the other day, Christian. I have two islands off of my town where bo people hang out during the day in the summer. One of them is called Island Beach. The other one's called Great Captain's Island Beach. Right. And let's argue which one is better. You take um Great Captain's Island Beach and I'll take Captain's Island Beach.
00:20:15
Speaker
So you start and don't lie. Don't make anything up. What is the reason that Great Captain's Island Beach is better than Island Beach? Because it's great. Don't lie. in the name Don't lie. It has great. Don't lie. How do you know that? ah i'm not What do you know? I just want facts. and I just want facts. I said it has great in its name. That's a fact.
00:20:34
Speaker
Okay. The proper answer is I don't know anything about it. So how the hell am I supposed to argue for it? Other than the name. following instructions. I'm just following
Critiquing NASA and Media Influence
00:20:44
Speaker
orders. No, I got it. I got it. I got it. I got to take the word great out. Um,
00:20:48
Speaker
and and so the point is you can't argue about it if you don't know and the people that defend the globe have no proof they're just like earth is curved boats go over the curve the sun sets over the water time zones seasons and then like they can't even explain to you how seasons work so it's different for every person there is no right answer So I ask them, what's the number one reason you think the earth is a globe? And then I take that apart. That's my current technique. I'll tell you what, maybe let's start. Okay, let let me then, um for me, wanna okay, so first of all, I got into the moon landing. I was like, okay, this is complete.
00:21:25
Speaker
Especially when Nixon was talking to the guys ah on the moon and they were like, the reception was great. And here I am, I can't even like talk to my mom. when I'm on the crapper, you know I mean? Like the connection craps out when I'm in the toilet. So like that that for me was a great one. But then the the one of the first things I was like, wait, none of there's no pictures of Earth. People think when when people tell you like we have pictures of Earth, can you tell us do we have actual photographs of the entire Earth on Google that you can go and look at right now? Do we have that even?
00:22:01
Speaker
So NASA never uses the word photograph when they talk about planets. They use the word image and picture. So look that up. An image is an image and a picture um is a is a picture. It doesn't have to be real. um And this is a NASA 2012 and 2013. Look at the size of the United States here and the size of the United States here.
00:22:23
Speaker
Right? The balls are the same. sort Yeah. So... I thought we were getting fatter. We're not getting fatter. I guess everyone in America is fasting. Look at that. Yeah. Okay. Jeez, man.
00:22:35
Speaker
It's crazy, dude. It's like the colors and everything is different. Yeah, well, I mean, people can explain that away. But here here's one where they show the 2012 picture. You got the United States. Here's Florida. Here's Mexico, right? We're here at Anarcopoco, right? So here it is.
00:22:53
Speaker
so put it on here, this is what it's covering. All of this has to be on the other side of this ball. All of this.
00:23:06
Speaker
And there's a reason this doesn't make sense in your mind, I'll tell you in a second. So let's look at the other side. Now it's the game of this picture, we got Africa, right? yeah We got um the end of our oil future going on right here.
00:23:17
Speaker
And so we'll put that down. All of this has to be on the other side. But wait a minute. We only have this on the other side. So what happened to all of this? So these are pictures. These are images. These are artist renderings. Well, somebody would whistleblown.
00:23:35
Speaker
Well, there was a guy named Robert simmon robertbert Simmons from NASA who he did the original blue marble picture that was on everyone's iPhone when it came out. He made it in Photoshop. He admitted that in an interview.
00:23:46
Speaker
Yes, yes. It's Photoshopped, but it has it has to be. It's Photoshopped, but it has to be. So again, People will go, die the reason you can't figure out why this, how this is working is because it's stupid. You're not stupid.
00:24:01
Speaker
It's stupid. It's stupid. Did you get one of my T-shirts? I gave you one of the T-shirts, right? Yes, yes. Thank you for that. Yeah. Good. I actually had to wear that one because I ran out of clean clothes because I got stuck in Mexico. that's the only reason you're wearing it? Great. that's No, no. no i was like I was like, no, this is great. I don't have to like, ah because I hand wash. Oh, okay. so you I don't have to wash t-shirts here. like you know like ah and then Did you get stuck after, did you stay until Sunday?
00:24:27
Speaker
i i so yeah yeah i was but I was getting an Uber to one of my clients to get some supplements for the trip back and the ah my Uber was three two to three minutes away and that's when Kat told us ah or Christophe said, ah you know, lockdown, guys. So i was about to leave.
00:24:45
Speaker
and So you got how long how long were you stuck there? Two more days? ah No, another ah four days total. but yeah For those of you that don't know, at the day after Anarchapoco ended, there was a cartel bombing, a whole bunch of them, and the place got locked down. I i luckily got out the the day before, but it's interesting. it's It's pretty funny. There's all these conspiracy articles coming out how it's funny how it happened right after the conference, you know and they're blaming it on us.
Understanding Flat Earth Concepts
00:25:16
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they're b blame It's incredible. um But while we're on the topic of maps, isn't it interesting, maybe, i don't know if if folks can just go on DuckDuckGo or something and look at the UN map, look at the UN map and can you tell us, because a lot of my people are listening on on just on audio, can you tell us what's the story with the UN map and i think that's in a few other places. The UN n map is the there's the flap is essentially the flat Earth map.
00:25:43
Speaker
um The feathers around the outside are representing where no one's allowed to go. Everybody has signed a um a treaty called the internet's called um Antarctic Treaty. Almost every country in the world has signed it that no exploration can go there. Even though there's oil and coal and gas and gold and all sorts of stuff there, no one's allowed to go there. It's only for scientific exploration.
00:26:06
Speaker
and that's because... if we were allowed to independently explore Antarctica, uh, we would, we would, uh, we would find out that we don't live on a ball. Yeah.
00:26:17
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yeah So yeah yeah again, when when folks hear the Earth is flat, they imagine the a flat, like all the other planets are normal, and then a flat sort of plane circling around the sun. I think that's one ah that's what people get in their head, and that's being used out there to discredit people, to make way the whole thing look retarded. Can you talk, speak more to that? Like if someone if someone thinks that, how would you describe what you think is it may be.
00:26:49
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Well, here is a map that was used in 1945. Well, this is a version of it. But this was used during wartime for um for planning. Well, why would they use a flat earth map for planning? Well, you know nobody uses a ah a globe. you know like a Pilots don't ever carry a globe in there. And basically, they're using the the Gleason's map, which is this map right here.
00:27:17
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ah for their autopilot. Right. And so, so that's where we live. But what they did is they cut out that sphere and they wrapped it around a ball and they said, no one's allowed to go to this white part, except we'll take you to a little Island here called Rothschild Island or deception Island. We'll show you some penguins and, um, you know, that's it.
00:27:36
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And no one's allowed to explore here. So this is, this is not a continent at the bottom of the ball. Hmm.
00:27:45
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And um so the another thing that I think folks don't know, tell us about the pilot manuals. What are they in there telling people, telling those trainees when they're reading it to assume that they're flying on?
00:28:00
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think this is fact, right? Yeah, well, there's there's so many documents now that the Earth is a flat, non-rotating plane. These are you know CIA, FAA documents, FBI, see you know all these documents, and they talk about the Earth being a flat, non-rotating plane. And there's there's tons of them, tons of them.
00:28:19
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And so what does that tell you? Why why would they be talking about that? There was a um
00:28:27
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Russian article. um they're talking about the measuring the brightness of the firmament. They were shooting bombs up and and project fishbowl, trying to measure the brightness of the firmament.
00:28:40
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So, you know, we we go back and people are like, we've known for thousands of years, bull crap. Get a textbook before 1910. And in 1910, the textbooks told you that when we came and discovered America and we met the Indians, the you know the the Native Americans, that there was ruins here that are still everywhere from an advanced civilization.
Flat Earth Theories Gaining Acceptance
00:29:04
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And nobody knew, allegedly, ah what it was.
00:29:08
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know there's There's these buildings that don't make any sense in every town worldwide. Dude, yeah. None of them make any sense. Yeah. the the Tartarian stuff is as fascinating as flat earth on my app.
00:29:23
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There's the, the Griffin button right here. um click it. And here's the old world section. My lunch break, best channel on the internet. Check it out. It's on every platform. You can just go to YouTube and search my lunch break. Um, but there's all sorts of stuff. I'm Jake. I'm the improbable dreamer. I just did a podcast with him.
00:29:41
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ah Amazing stuff. Giant trees. This section alone will keep you busy for a month if you don't sleep. If you don't sleep. 24-7. twenty four seven Man, I'll tell you, but that's the way I was when I started researching some of these conspiracies. I'd be like at it all day, some days.
00:29:59
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and I'm seven days a week. kind of move Yeah, man. it's it's it's ah like Here's the thing. This is what I think, when you realize that they're, and again, I'm not saying that we know what the earth is. it For all we know. well like We know that we don't know.
00:30:16
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Globers think they know everything, but we know that it's level. We know that it's non-rotating. It's stationary. We know there is no curvature. So these are things that we know. What's below us, nobody knows. Not even the Globers know that on a globe, the deepest hole ever dug is less than eight miles.
00:30:31
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They hit an impenetrable barrier. Some weird stuff was going on down there. And they sealed it up, and no one's ever gone back. Hmm. But yes, so the the thing is if they would lie about this, one and I think this is where a lot of people, it it would be so traumatizing to, that's why i think it's probably a good thing that it takes months and years to kind of become truly versed in some of these things because if you just, if it's dumped on you first day one, you're just going to die. In 2014, that's what it was. It was bad. You know you mentioned Flat Earth to somebody. You get attacked from all angles.
00:31:06
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But now it's out there. you know The 100th monkey has happened. And ah it's out there. You mentioned Flat Earth to somebody. you know I heard something about that. Can you answer this? And they're asking intelligent questions.
00:31:17
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yeah But yeah it it is coming around. And so people say, well, what has flat earth done for you? um Flat earth actually frees your mind. It lets you have the option to live to your full potential. It lets you understand your place in this realm, right? On a globe, you are just a microbe speck that evolved from pond scum. If there is a God, there's a distant, deluded God in an infinitely expanding universe.
00:31:42
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um there's no hope that we'll ever have extraterrestrial life. um Come find us because the universe is so big. you know how close in the heliocentric model, how close the farthest star is?
00:31:53
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three to four. I mean, the closest star, how far the closest star is. I said that backwards. I have list X, yeah. Three to four light years something like that. It's ah it's like four and a half light years, which is 25 trillion miles, right? Yeah. So people are like, oh, 25, 20 miles. That doesn't sound like far. If you and I were in a rocket ship going a mile per second, which is faster than anyone's ever gone, mile per second, it would take us a trillion seconds to go one trillion miles, mile per second, a trillion seconds. We've gone a trillion miles.
00:32:25
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That puts us one 25th of the way there because it's 25 trillion miles, right? How long is a trillion seconds? Do you know? i want to say tens of thousands of years. 31,000 years, right? 31,000 years. Now, if Elon, good buddy of mine, gives us a rocket that goes 100,000 an hour,
00:32:48
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Incomprehensible, it'll only take us 28,000 years to get there, right? And we get there and we find out, oh, there's no life on these dead planets, the next star is magnitudes farther. So that is just diluting your mind, your hope for anything. But what if the world was set up like this?
00:33:04
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what What if, again, we don't need this to prove flat Earth. We don't know. But what if, What if the world was just this and the dome went out here and this is just the Antarctica and there's another sun circling out here.
00:33:17
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we have another sun out here. we have a sun in here. This would be extra territory, extraterra extra extraterrestrials from the outer space.
00:33:30
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And they're just a day trip away on a conventional aircraft. They're not far at all. Yeah. Yeah. could do it in a day, right? So that's, that is just an idea. So if you love, you, if you're, if you're a you know, you're not on the flat earth because you love,
00:33:48
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um the idea of extraterrestrials. Well, extraterrestrials make only only make sense out of flat Earth. They're here. Yeah. you know because You can't reach them. This map was published in 1907 in a Hawaiian newspaper. Hawaiian Gazette. Hawaiian Gazette. And it shows like 30 some odd woe continents out here.
00:34:09
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Whoa. Whoa. And then we have we have evidence of ships going out in that direction, which on the globe puts them in the middle of Antarctica, which would just be impossible.
00:34:21
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And so maybe there are trade routes out there.
Speculations on Extraterrestrial Life
00:34:25
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Maybe we're trading tuna fish or children or who knows. Yeah. Yeah. Just curious. Do you, do you think there's different species, but this is getting speculative here, but I'm so fascinated by the stuff. I love to like just speculate a little. Do you think there's maybe if indeed there is like, let's say the the people that control the politicians, could they be like some kind of species? God, I don't know. You watch David Icke at all?
00:34:54
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i doesn't bear a shit in the woods. um I made a bumper sticker, Max Egan and I were talking and it it said, make David Icke a conspiracy theorist again, right? Because everything that he has said literally is coming true if you've done your research. It's incredible.
00:35:10
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It's incredible. Now people say he's a shill. I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I don't think so. I can name a whole bunch of other people that people think are real that are total shills, but that's another thing. So, you know, you look at the old world architecture you got.
00:35:25
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human horses, you got people with bird heads, you got all sorts of stuff. I think all that stuff is happening here. yeah We literally are in the you know in the end times of debauchery and you know they're eating children. i mean, our leaders are eating babies.
00:35:43
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dude i know you can't even say that you know to a normie they were boom they just tuned out we just lost half the listeners if they're normies but yeah it's what is going on what is going on in this world is in insane and uh make sure you have enough non-gmo popcorn because the show is coming on fast
00:36:03
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so um what what um yeah obviously so we we just kind of went a little bit far out. We went to the outer space right here on flat earth.
00:36:15
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yeah So to tell because I mentioned this to Mike there back in 2018 it was still on the Wikipedia where they had a half a boat over the horizon and in the caption of the Wikipedia picture was this proves that the earth is a globe but then Neil DeGrasse Tyson says that feet i think want to say that shit's flat So like, and then I think now they're saying even from the ISS, it would still appear flat, but then we're seeing this impossible.
00:36:52
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Yeah. From the 250 miles up, you should be able to see like Kansas, but there's, they see the whole globe. is' It's just so stupid. Um, yeah If you know how the angle of your eyes work, you would only see just one small section of just, you know, one country. This is um a camera and we have a boat.
00:37:12
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And as it sails away on this flat counter, it disappears from the bottom up. Well, that's because the camera is lower than the counter, right? The horizon is never lower than your camera if you're looking over the water and the water's calm.
00:37:27
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I agree. But what is the horizon is the question. Right? What is the horizon? So this ah this is this is worth, I'm going to take a minute to talk about this. So see these clouds here, right? So if you can just also descriptively, just for the audience. Oh, oh god this is going to be tough for the audience.
00:37:47
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um Just imagine ah ah ah the sea, the sky meeting. and So that right I'll i'll i'll just describe it for them. But if not, come to the video, come watch the video, link the video to to this for any audio. But imagine a cumulus cloud day where all the clouds are separated, but they're sitting on that cloud deck and it looks flat.
00:38:05
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And so the the clouds directly above your head are straight up, you know let's say they're 10,000 feet just for an easy number, but the clouds 20, 30 miles away look like they're touching the water, but you still know that they're at the same level. It's just perspective that makes them look lower.
00:38:22
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Now, if you drew a line from your eye draw a string to that bottom of that cloud. From your point of view, that line is six feet over the water the whole way, and it goes to that cloud. But that's how you see it.
00:38:38
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But in reality, if we flip positions around, so that's how you see it. If we flip positions around, so I'm now underneath that cloud that you're looking at, and I can see the string, that string goes sloping down from 10,000 feet to your eye.
00:38:52
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Follow me? Yes. so So I see a line coming from 10,000 feet down. You see a line going straight across the water.
Challenging Globe Earth with Perspective Examples
00:39:05
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We're both looking at the same line, but it's a different point of view. So perspective pushes things down towards the horizon.
00:39:12
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So and we had a whole bunch of buildings, a building going into the distance. It just gets smaller and smaller and smaller, but there's no bottom-up obstruction here. There's no bottom-up obstruction. It's just getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
00:39:23
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right but there's a thing called the marine layer and the marine layer could be from a foot or two to a hundred feet and that's the thickest air with water vapor and particles and pollution and salt and all sorts of stuff in it and it becomes opaquer over distance so over distance you have to get up higher like on a foggy day you can see across the street But if you go up another 20 feet, maybe you can see two blocks away. You go up a little higher, you can see a quarter of a mile away because it's getting thinner. So the same thing along the water. So it makes this ramp of opacity, a ramp of opacity. And so from your viewer, you have a ramp that's getting higher and higher and higher where you can't see through it and it becomes opaque, right?
00:40:10
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So if I spin that outwards, that ramp of opacity looks like a level line to you. And if you notice, the buildings are disappearing from the bottom up. Here's the ramp of opacity from a side view.
00:40:23
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And we're we're already up to the purple, which is all the way up here, right? So you can't see half of the building over here. There's bottom-up obstruction. This to you, the observer, looks like it's this line right here.
00:40:38
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And the sun does the same thing with a sky ramp of opacity and this the sun just goes beyond those that that that deck of atmosphere. And it goes beyond the atmosphere from the bottom up to say it To say it like in in my, how I kind of understand it,
00:40:53
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If you have something that's low on the ground, as it moves farther away from you eventually to reach the horizon line, and then it will start to disappear bottom up, and then if you have something above you, like let's say the sun, as it goes further away from you, it will actually seem to go down. Like if you can imagine, when we in in art school or whatever art class, we would have a horizon and then the street would kind of meet, the sides of the street would meet together at the horizon, and then So the sun would get smaller as it kind of goes down, it reaches the horizon, and then it will start to disappear also bottom up at the horizon. So the fact that we don't see we can't see Antarctica, let's say, from ah you know anywhere is because, first of all, the human eye cannot see that far. And second of all, there's opacity in the air and like pollution and atmosphere. And then over a few miles, we things start to disappear because of that horizon line. is that Am I understanding it right?
00:41:52
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that That is correct, but there's a there's a slight difference, and it's a longer conversation between terrestrial bottom-up, losing things terrestrial, like a boat or a building or a mountain, ah versus a celestial ah thing. And the celestial thing well is even worse because there's more obstruction than there is um on the ground. But it all depends on your angle of view. I'm showing a cruise ship here.
00:42:18
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um Where did go? Hold on a second. I... ah Boats over the horizon. There it is. So I'm showing a cruise ship here. And as I raise the camera, I could see more of the cruise ship. Lower it. I lose the bottom half just by raising the camera a little bit. Am I looking over the ball?
00:42:34
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Right. I'm not looking over the ball. It's incredible. It's absolutely incredible. That's like a couple of feet of a of a camera angle go
Flat Earth Resources and App Introduction
00:42:44
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change, right? Yeah. And then you could see farther.
00:42:48
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Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Wow. But for those of you that really want to learn, I have an app. It's called the Flat Earth Sun, Moon, and Zodiac Clock app. Don't try to remember the name. Just remember flatearthdave.com.
00:43:00
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Go there, click on that banner, and you can download this app. It has all of the answers. I've been compiling it um forever. And though what the the main page is the question mark page, the frequently asked questions page, and everything that you ask there. Where does the sun go?
00:43:14
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um What about eclipses? Coriolis. Why would they lie? Coriolis, seasons... Are all the pilots in on it? Right? Somebody just sent me an email this morning. Think about this.
00:43:26
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He goes, with all of the hundreds of thousands of pilots worldwide, wouldn't one of them, you know, can you imagine not one of them spilling the beans? And I put, and I replied back, you're absolutely right. It would be impossible. And I sent them the playlist from are all pilots in on it. I have a hundred videos where pilots are admitting the earth is flat, but they don't want to talk about it because they don't want to lose their jobs.
00:43:51
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And also, don't forget again, the male ego. So my dad was a military pilot. He was flying the MiG-29, I want to say. MiG-29, I think. So i years ago, 2019 or whatever it was, was at twenty no, 2021 maybe, I think he was here for my wedding.
00:44:08
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So I mentioned that stuff to him. And he was like, no, that's absolute nonsense. you know let's go Come on, Chris. He hasn't thought about it. Yeah, he hasn't thought about it. But they because I'm like, did you ever have to account for the curvature the Earth by plane does it automatically? They have on I know. Well, I cannot. But that's what they say. That's what they say. Right. But on the the Flat Earth videos on the More Resources page, the one of the top videos there is called Flatten the Curve.
00:44:35
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And it's military um pilots, military ships, captains, military weapons operators, all talking about how the earth is absolutely flat and non-rotating. um And they prove it. You know, a submarine sticks up its periscope just a few feet above the water and it could see another ship 100 miles away. Well, 100 miles away, that ship should be behind a 6,000 foot wall of water.
00:44:58
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6,000 feet of curvature, 6,600 to be exact. Explain, ah can you explain the the way it's calculated and how that, that really ah doesn't hold up to scrutiny?
00:45:11
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if you can give some kind of examples of that, please. Well, the, so if the earth, okay, we can't see forever. You said it yourself. We can't see forever. So that, that's interesting.
00:45:25
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And, um,
00:45:29
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I'm trying to find out something. So we can't... You should watch the video. Yeah, no, no, no. It's all right. We can't see forever. That's one thing. So the... What going to say?
00:45:41
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So how about flat earth or ball earth... there may be atmospheric conditions on a day where you can only see a mile and then it's just too cloudy, too foggy. Yeah. Right. yeah So that doesn't mean the earth is flat or a ball. It just means you can only see a mile, right? On a flat earth, sometimes you can see 30 or 40 or 50 miles or more, but on a ball, there's a required maximum limits on how far you can see.
00:46:11
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What I mean by that is, um, a, uh, six foot observer, you're six feet standing at the edge of perfectly calm water on a perfectly clear day, the horizon should only be three miles away because there's six feet of curvature and three miles. So what does that mean?
00:46:32
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It means there's a white ball. So it means that you can't see the surface of this ball beyond the horizon because it goes but below yeah the horizon. The horizon is a physical place.
00:46:45
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So yes there is a limit to how far you can see three miles. Three miles doesn't seem like very far. It's not. It's six feet of curvature. 10 miles. Guess how much curvature there is. 66 feet.
00:46:59
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That's a six story building. If you and I were in a long field, I don't care how well wide it is, flat field. And there was a six story building in between us, a wall, a brick wall, six stories high.
00:47:14
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Could we see each other? No. How far back would you have to go before I can see you? Well, on a ball, the farther back you go, the lower you're going to get because you're going over the ball.
00:47:25
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So, no, you'd never see. But we we have we have observations that are way too far. So here we have two oil rigs. where And we have a camera up eight feet off the off the floor of the ocean here. Eight feet.
00:47:40
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And so the first oil rig is six miles. The second oil rig is 10 miles away, right? The elevation eight feet. So the horizon is at three and a half miles.
00:47:51
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So remember, six miles. So the horizon should be like way out here. So we shouldn't be able to see the surface of the water beyond this point right here.
00:48:02
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But not only can we see it there, we can see it in between them. And we could see it for miles beyond. Now, what does that mean? There's two answers. One, the Earth is way bigger than they told us. And using the distance that we can see, some of the our observations we have, the Earth would need a radius that's aligned from the center to the surface of over 400,000 miles.
Debating Curvature and Refraction Explanations
00:48:29
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When they tell us the radius of the Earth is just under 4,000 miles. So if the Earth has a bigger radius,
00:48:37
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All of science falls apart. All of space travel falls apart. gravity Everything, gravity, everything falls apart because everything is based on the falsified radius of the earth.
00:48:48
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So long moon yeah, the distance to the moon, the orbits of the planets, everything is based off of that. So you can make math to describe Narnia. Doesn't mean Narnia is real.
00:49:00
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So, so, so. It's magic. And so, so this is, this is what they tell us, ready? That the water is refracting up. It's refracting. it It's lifting itself up and stopping right at the perfect spot. It doesn't refract up higher, so we have a hill.
00:49:16
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It doesn't refract up lower, so there's a missing spot. It refracts up yeah perfectly, because every foot farther you away you go, the lower it it lower it would be on a ball. So it's all refracting up perfectly to trick you into thinking the world is flat.
00:49:33
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Right? that's That's what people think. And and another thing is is um microwave transmissions. They require high-frequency market ways require line of sight. There's a thing called the Laura transmission, and it was from a boat to a buoy.
00:49:49
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Now the boat, I don't know, 20 feet, 30 feet high. Let's say the antenna is 30 feet high. I'm going to give give it the benefit of the doubt. 30 feet high. If that buoy was 10 miles away, there'd be 60 feet of curvature, and it wouldn't work.
00:50:04
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But this one was 800 miles away. Holy shit, dude. 800 miles away. That's 426,000 feet. that's That's 85 miles of curvature. And you and here this is where you can't say, oh, because it's not uniformly global. There's troughs and deep and mountains and valleys. That's stupid. It's dumb. You can't fucking say that because that's 100,000 feet.
00:50:31
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I was going to say this earlier. No one else is crazy. And it doesn't bother me. So you don't have to stop. But with all of the craziness, the lying to our children, the lying to adults, the falsified history, um the, you know, the fake wars, which are going to affect us in a big, big way. Get ready, people. It's coming. Right.
00:50:52
Speaker
And there's going to be people that are upset that you use the F word. Okay, there's going to be people that are watching this video that that's what's wrong today.
00:51:03
Speaker
Well, like that fucking Christian guy, he fucking swore, you know, in the video, so now I can't even share it with my kids. You know what? At school, they should teach kids all the curse words before they teach them the heliocentric model because at least the curse words are useful.
00:51:20
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That's what I learned in English first. My dad, he was fixing the car and basically day one in South Africa where I grew up, ah that I learned although all the, and if if people are offended here with the mic. No, no, i I'm just saying, I love swearing. I love swearing, but sometimes don't because people melt down.
00:51:36
Speaker
They melt down. When my Mike Wilkerson was on a few days ago I called Professor Dave an obnoxious C-word. You shouldn't like that by call by comparing Professor Dave. it's okay So, so my i'm I'm kind of making fun of people that do have a problem with it because they're just words, right? And you're using them in a, in a great way. You know, look at, there's, there's a video um of the Maharaj, Maharaj guy, whatever his name is. um
00:52:11
Speaker
He, he did the usefulness of the word fuck. right How it's a noun, and it's a verb, it's an adjective. You can use it for everything. It's a fantastic word. Everybody chill out. I'm going to have to put a frigging warning at the on the on the thumbnail. If you have you're offended by this, you know don't look at the Epstein list.
Horizon and Curvature Observations
00:52:27
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Yeah. yeah ah Just before before I forget, I also want to, like with with ah listeners that kind of, again, are a bit newer to this... Notice how the horizon is at eye level when you're on the ground. And then the next time you fly and on a plane, notice how that horizon or or you're on a hill or a mountain, that horizon is always at eye level. Would you maybe expand on that, Dave?
00:52:52
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Well, the horizon always appears to be at eye level. But in reality... On the ground, when you're looking in distance, it's actually thousands of feet above your eye level.
00:53:02
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It really is. Because that look at the clouds 30, 40 miles away. They look like they're touching the ground. Those clouds are 10,000 feet in the air so that that line you're seeing is feet high, if not higher.
00:53:16
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That's a problem. But the higher you get, the farther you can see. The farther you can see, the more air is in your way. Like, if had a piece of pure glass right in front between us, you might not even see it unless there's a reflection on it, right?
00:53:32
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pure glass between us. Then I put two planes, three planes, five planes, 20 planes, 30 planes. Eventually it becomes opaque and you can't even shine a light through it. That's what happens with the air.
00:53:43
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And so, oh so when you're on an airplane, sometimes on, a on you'll see the horizon. It looks like it's a little lower. That's just because the air has become opaque. Opaque air is sky.
00:53:55
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And then, so you can only see the land a little closer, which is a little lower. So the Globers will use that against us, but that's just a um totally misunderstanding on on what you're seeing. But the horizon on an airplane, um is is ah it does appear to be at eye level. Look out one window and then look across, draw a line between those two horizons, they'll go right across your eyes.
00:54:20
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That line from the right side to the left side, and that's hundreds and hundreds of miles. And so based on the kind the curvature calculation, so you said 60 feet, was it feet, was it 60 feet, right? Yeah. Curvature, 10,000 feet. So based on that calculation, shouldn't you, like on a plane, shouldn't you be able to see ah quite a lot of curvature of the Earth?
00:54:45
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Well, they you know, so... Globers used to say in 2014, have you ever been on an airplane? And we we show them that, you know, there is no curvature. And then they're like, well, you got to be at 70,000 feet in the Mythbusters, the shills that they are.
00:54:59
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they did a piece They did a piece and and it shook kept showing curved earth at 70,000 feet. But one of the cameras that was inside the cockpit um wasn't a fisheye lens and you could see the level horizon. And so then Neil deGrasse Tyson comes out to do his damage control and goes, oh, you have to be at 110,000 feet. And then we show balloons at 110,000 feet with an exactly perfectly flat horizon. And he goes, well, you have to be higher than that. You have to be higher than the frigging space shuttle, right? Even though this not the the International Fake Station, they they show curvature.
00:55:29
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but it's different every time, right? So this is the Red Bull jump I'm showing here. And you can see, he goes, yeah, I saw the curve of the earth, right? So wow, that's a pretty good. time But if you look at, if you really examine this land, this is all New Mexico.
00:55:43
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This is the tiny little state in the United, but which is covering half the globe. So it's just a fisheye lens. It's just, it and so here's the other here's the other thing.
00:55:56
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When we look at the SpaceX video, I mean, that not the SpaceX, the, um, the, um, where are we going? That's not what I wanted. So when we look at, um, the Red Bull video, so take ignore the type for a second, this is him getting in with the camera that's inside the cockpit and the the horizons right here when he's 10 feet off the ground.
00:56:16
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And then that at 127,000 feet, the horizon is at the same level. It didn't drop 127,000 feet. level it was at 10 feet.
00:56:28
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hundred and twenty seven thousand feet the horizon is at the same level as it was at ten feet how much drop should there be? so at a hundred twenty seven thousand feet you should be able to see but the earth is a globe six hundred and eighteen miles of drop they' eighteen it's it's that means the horizon drop So if you were on the ground and you were looking, you wanted to see a building that was 618 miles away, it would be feet below the earth curve. That's on the ground.
00:57:03
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with me so yeah the horizon should be two hundred and fifty thousand feet below Of curvature, that's how much there should be.
00:57:16
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But you got to remember, he's up 127,000 feet. So you have to add that on. The horizon should be 381,000 feet below.
00:57:26
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And it's at the same level as it was on the ground. So here's the problem. Here's the problem, Kristen. I lost most of the people on this. I lost most of the people on this. yeah They don't, they don't, this is simple math, but they didn't teach us simple math. They taught us memorization and regurgitation. This is so simple. The higher you go on a ball, on a flat earth, on a ball, the farther the horizon should be. That's what they tell us. The curvature formula tells us. 618 miles would be how far the horizon the horizon should be. it should two hundred and fifty thousand foot drop
00:57:58
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plus our height three hundred and eighty one thousand feet below You can't fathom what 381,000 feet is because you've never seen anything that high because I don't think we can even get that high.
Skepticism Toward Mars Exploration
00:58:09
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Balloons can only go up to 127,000 feet. Now, there's some NASA rockets that went up to like 300,000 feet, right? Not 381, like 300. Bullshit. It's a total fake.
00:58:22
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The engine literally stopped going at like 100,000 feet and then flew another 250,000 feet with no engines. What? What?
00:58:29
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what What? It's like, it's so stupid, Christian. It's so exhausting. I know, dude. It's disgusting. And there was a guy, he was going back to like, you know how if you search for in the news tab of, let's say, Google or whatever,
00:58:47
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And you go back, i think almost back to that was it the 70s, that, oh, now they're going to plan to go back on the moon. And every few years, it's April 1st. They're going back. to They're going back April 1st. They delay, delay, delay, delay. Now it's April 1st. I don't know if they're going to delay it this time.
00:59:02
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and no But now it's Mars, dude. And like there's guys out there. I've seen people I know. I go to their house and check look at the the computer and they're on the fucking NASA.
00:59:15
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ah Excuse me. Sorry, I don't know if should swear on your point. you can't. You can't. They're looking at the NASA pictures of like, you know, galax new galaxies discovered. That's just drawings, dude. And guys wearing NASA t-shirts and Elon is, you know, the savior of humanity.
00:59:35
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Is it true that there's some speculation that Elon Musk is Wernher von Braun's son? Is that true? It's possible. Like Mark Zuckerberg is Rockefeller's son. I mean, they're all... too Is it true he wrote a book, uh, Werner Von Braun, the guy that designed Apollo rockets over the southern, is it true that he wrote a a fiction book where a guy called Elon takes humans to Mars? Is that true?
01:00:01
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Um, yeah, it's called Project Mars. Um, let me, let me show you. I have it right here. Um, Project mars Mars. Where the hell does it go?
01:00:21
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the rocket that goes to the moon wrote a fiction book where a guy called eon goes to the moon and then on his tombstone psalms nineteen one ah which is the passage in the bible that states the heavens declare the glory of god and the fermanment she with show with his handiwork that guy wrote book about a guy called Elon going to Mars. That This is what I find crazy that people watch Netflix and read fiction. Like the real world, this is the show. This is the amazing drama. Yeah. So in 1952, he wrote a book about Project Mars about a group of people led by a guy named Elon that went to Mars.
01:01:05
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like They're telling us it's programming. We're in the matrix. They're literally programming
Educating Children on Multiple Viewpoints
01:01:12
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us. It's incredible. But what I wanted to show you here was, um, oops here, um, in the more resources page on the,
01:01:25
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On the Effie videos, there's a video called NASA going nowhere since 1958. It's amazing. Absolutely amazing. And it basically shows how they went. We're going to Mars. We're going to the moon. We're going to Mars. We're going to the moon. It's incredible. It's incredible how how and how how much people just fall for it. I mean, Globers, they go, just wait. You're going to watch. you We're going to go. I've been promised hotels on on ah the moon since I was a kid.
01:01:52
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dude And now with AI, it's going to get harder and harder. property on the moon. You can buy property on What a scam, dude. Like, i can I can sell farts in a jar on eBay, but that's like next level scamming. Property on the moon, baby. People sell farts in jar?
01:02:11
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You can. like I mean, like um ah i won't, but you can't do that. Like said, this is you know some famous person's fart in a jar, $75 on eBay whatever. You can do that. And people are you're dick. Don't do that, please, because you're scamming people. But they're selling property on the moon, dude. Land, I mean, sorry, not property.
01:02:32
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It's insane. Yeah, crazy. By the way, I don't know how long you got. So if you want to wrap... um We're going to wrap it up we pretty soon, but I want to... you um What else do talk about? so but let's let's kind of wrap this up about Flat Earth.
01:02:46
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What difference does it make in your life? right And the thing is, it causes a little it's a little conflict. like You and your wife, you're trying to figure it out. But over time, there's a 0% chance that you'll go back to the globe because you've already seen it.
01:03:01
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Your wife, over time, she'll take the time to see. Right now, you have little kids, right? You have little kids. yeah So she's busy making a home, doing what mothers are supposed to do, and she doesn't want to take the time. She's not a problem. She she knows it's it's more likely to be a donut than a globe. Okay. She trolls me. I think it's a donut, but like she doesn't believe it's a globe. it's Okay, good, good, good. So, yeah, yeah it's just you know getting your kid. The the thing with kids –
01:03:30
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There's, um
01:03:34
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it's better to say, hey, this is what they'll teach you in school. This is what we believe. And you show them both and let the kid make up. Don't tell the kid what to believe. Yeah. Right. Show them both. um By the way, on the app, if you go to the homeschool page and you scroll down to the bottom, creation science, these guys, though the founded earth brothers, they do an online course about, um,
01:03:56
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the Bible and and though the world that we live in. And it's phenomenal. you You join via Zoom, Creation Science. These guys are absolutely amazing. And ah their their classes are are fantastic. I actually did a presentation to the kids.
01:04:11
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These are the smartest kids I've ever talked to. They're amazing.
Embracing Flat Earth for Purpose and Freedom
01:04:15
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I was talking to this 12-year-old girl. I thought she was like 36. Like, what? You know, how old are you? amazingson Yeah. So um if you're looking to, even if your kids are in indoctrination camp, um have them do this course on the side, you know, but if you're homeschooling your kids, this is absolutely amazing on the app, go to the homeschool button, which is the a home button and then ah go to homeschool and and check that out and sign up for that.
01:04:42
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By way, such a cool... Tell them I sent You get a free hat. You get a free hat or something like that. nice. Well, I just made that up. I actually just made that up. So it's going funny. It's like, hey, what are you telling we're getting free hats for?
01:04:53
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ah shit. Okay, well I'm going to send this to some some friends as well. So I just want to maybe be wrap with... I hope they listen this far in But why would they lie? I know we kind of know why, but like just for someone that...
01:05:10
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is a little bit not not as deep into some of these things as some of us are, which of course, you know, people are busy, families, jobs, all that good stuff. So no judgment here. Not all of us have the same interest, but why would they lie?
01:05:22
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And so when I first learned about flat earth, if I asked that question and somebody pointed out um because they're hiding God, I probably would have never looked at flat earth, but I'm going to lead with that. Right? um So in Roman's um one twenty It says, for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, are clearly seen, been understood by the things that are made even in his eternal power and good and Godhead so that they are without excuse. So basically what that is saying, that once you see my creation, the the earth,
01:05:56
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You can no longer deny my existence. And that's where I came from. I was denying God. Then I understood that the earth is intelligent design. That'd be like, you're the only man on earth. You're walking through the Amazon jungle. You don't know anything.
01:06:10
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And all a sudden you come across the world trade towers, 110 stories tall. Well, can you deny that there's a builder? No, you can't. Now, who is that builder? That's something you got to figure out, but you can't deny that there is an architect and a builder, um, for that. So that's what the flat earth does. So it it makes it so you can't deny God. That's, that's one thing.
01:06:34
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Um, So the other the other one is it it literally becomes a prison for your mind. Why is that? right We are these incredible, spiritual, connected people. right The world, I mean, look into the old world with the bells and the frequency and the and all of this stuff. Wait until you wait to see this tuning fork i just I'm getting. It's incredible. i discovered that It's incredible. way And I can't wait. It's going to blow people's minds. But um the frequencies of this world, I think there was...
01:07:05
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you know there's there's these buildings that are the same all over the world. i think we were all connected, free energy, all of this stuff. So we are these incredible beings. They're literally calcifying our pineal gland with poisons going through our skin in every way possible. um you know We're eating it and everything. And so yeah we live in this infinite realm infinite, abundant realm. But if they convince you you live on a globe, it literally cuts you off from creation. It makes you live like Truman. You know, you're stuck. There's nowhere to go. There's nothing else to do, right? Because I don't care. you know, if you have a lion, a pet, and he's on a quarter acre, he's going to pace that fence all day long. But then you put him in 500 acres. If he sees the fence one day, he'll be like, eh, fence. And he'll just turn around and go have a good time. Put a human in 500 billion acres. If he sees the fence, what does he say?
01:07:55
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the hell's on the other side of that fence, right? yeah And so they they they capped us off by saying, we live on a ball. We've seen it all. So we don't even know to ask the question. Your thoughts create your reality. Well, if your thoughts are capped off,
01:08:09
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If there's, we're gonna, you know, your thoughts are, oh my God, an asteroid's gonna hit us one day, aliens are gonna come, we're running out of oil, where wherere where're we're running out of food, right? you're youre Those are the thoughts that are gonna create your world versus we live on an infinite plane where our thoughts create our reality. There's abundance beyond anyone's imagination, right? Imagine if everybody was thinking that this world would come back to the paradise that it once was.
01:08:35
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So that's another reason. That's another reason right there. Right? So, you know, what has Flat Earth done um for your well-being? Well, three things.
01:08:46
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More at peace. yeah No longer afraid of anything. Right? You're at peace. You understand. You have a purpose. People like, you know, what people a midlife crisis. Like, ah why am I even here? i am having no midlife crisis.
Energy Lockdowns and Divine Law
01:08:57
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I know why I'm here. This is exciting. I can't wait for the next day. you here to You're here to ruffle feathers, baby. I'm here to spread the truth. That's it. So a greater sense of freedom. I'm not trapped on a ball. There is more. right But they're trying to restrict us. Get ready, people. You're not going to going anywhere soon.
01:09:16
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right And then closer connection. to Well, that's what they're going to try to do. They're going to try to do unless... Energy lockdowns. Yeah, energy lockdowns. that That's coming. right closer Closer connection to the creator. I had no connection to the creator.
01:09:31
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so That's just the beginning. Here's the thing, Dave, with all the stuff going in the world, the Epstein stuff and starvation and you know wars, and why do you care about the shape of the earth?
01:09:43
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It's not the shape of the earth that matters. It's our place within it, what this place is, what is being taken from us, what is being hidden from us. That's what matters. The flat earth, the globe lie is the foundation of all the other lies. They wouldn't be able to get away with anything If people knew we were on a flat earth, because then they know there was a God, they'd stop obeying the governments um and they go back to God's law.
01:10:07
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But that that's how they got us. And that's why they they in they um put it into our memory ah you know at such a young age as an absolute absolute truth.
01:10:20
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Right? It's the soul lure system. They're literally trying to steal your mind. Heliosyn trick. Wow. Heliosynister trick to lure people away from God for the last 500 years.
01:10:36
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I think it's actually way less than that. um Yeah, so the Big Bang, you know, we evolved from monkeys. Why are monkeys still here? Wait, we evolved from monkeys. Why are monkeys still here?
01:10:47
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Yeah. All right. So I don't want to get into a whole. Oh, here, one more thing. One more thing. Divine law is the law of God. Common law is the law of the land. And statute law, admiral maritime law, is the law of the sea or man's law. So in order to convince man to give up his divine rights and their common rights, you have to convince them that they're not divinely created in a divine world.
01:11:13
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They can't take anything from us without our explicit permission. And
Skepticism Towards Big Bang and Evolution
01:11:19
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they get it for us from us by making offers. And then when we either say no or ignore them, that's acceptance. You have to learn that. Did you catch um Cal Washington's speech at Anarchapoco?
01:11:32
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No, did not. Go back and watch it on the replay. Everybody, yeah, that his stuff is outstanding, amazing. Okay, thanks for that. For sure, will do.
01:11:43
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Yeah, man, it's so true. And I feel and I was never an atheist. um i just Even from an early age, my parents were definitely not religious. We we basically went to church twice. Yeah, same same here. I was born in a non-practicing Jewish family. you know We went to the temple on high holy holidays, and all I could see is, like when's the food coming out?
01:12:02
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Yeah, I didn't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My parents right like, this is all non... like And it's not that the necessarily the religion or or the that God is nonsense, that the church... Because like priests in Bulgaria, where I'm from, they were oftentimes the fattest dude in the village, like the richest dude in the village. So we like you could see through through the BS that the church is like extracting from people. um So they were not convinced, but I always knew there was a God dude. i And I was from a very early age. was in my mind.
01:12:32
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thinking about these things and asking my parents hard questions. But over the years, obviously, i've've I've met people and like when I talk to atheists, like sometimes almost like feel like I feel some sort of empathy for them because it seems like there's this sort of demoralization. Atheism is the worst biggest religion of all. It takes the most amount of faith.
01:12:55
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I mean, you walked up to that building in the middle of the jungle and you have to believe that it created naturally. It's insane. yeah And the way they keep people atheists is they make them believe in the Big Bang and the ball and evolution. It's incredible.
01:13:10
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Quick, quick. The Big Bang. Go ahead. Big Bang, though. The Big Bang. Come on. What are you going to argue against the Big Bang? Nothing suddenly became everything and then a fish fucked a monkey and here we are. Come on, dude. It's in the in the books. It's in the textbooks, bro. Yeah, it's in the textbooks.
01:13:29
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If anyone has a textbook be like before 1910, check it out. I want it. Send it to me. Share it. Document it. you know Scan it and upload it. Do something.
01:13:42
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It's incredible.
Building Community Through Apps
01:13:43
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um So, flutteratdave.com is where you can find all my stuff. Find my interviews. Click the interviews tab there. If you have the app, you can go to the more resources page. as the interviews button there.
01:13:53
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um That's where this will be when it comes out. And... um If you're looking for like-minded people, I even have a dating site on here. Yeah.
01:14:05
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dating Dating with other like-minded people. And I also just started the jobs board, right? In 2014, they're like, oh, good luck at the job, Flat Earth, or no one's going to hire you. Well, guess what? We don't want to work for Globers, and we don't want Globers working for us. So I started a jobs board where you can look for jobs or post a job. And right now, there's only like a half a dozen or so jobs posted because I just started it.
01:14:26
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But it's only for like-minded people. So if you're looking to hire somebody for your deli, for your factory, for your corporate job, for a partnership, whatever, posted in the jobs board for free, no charge.
01:14:39
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One of my clients was telling me, the so I saw him at Anarchapoca last year, and then this year. um So last year, I think he was telling me he had like five people that he built like a little circle from from your app. And then I think this year, I can't remember, did he say it's expanded to 10 or maybe even 20 people? So like he's very happy yes with what you've created there to connect like-minded people. Thank you for your work, Bruno.
01:15:04
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Thanks. um What's the the the English so cocky? brian Brian Cox. I call him lying box. He goes, there are no flat earthers in the world. Check this out. My app represents less than 1% of the flat earthers. Look how many flat earthers there are. How many do you think you have there on the map? On here on the map, there's 231,000 and growing. What? 231,000.
01:15:24
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and growing two hundred thirty one thousand have 231,000 people have registered for the Friend Finder. the Friend Finder, yes. And there's more on than that on the app. So it's it's worldwide. It's growing. Once you go flat, you never glow back.
01:15:39
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Dude, there's hundreds of thousands of people that have downloaded the app. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Dude. Talk about 100th monkey effect, man. And so these are the people around me. I can click on one of these people, see who it is, send them a message. I can send out a radius message to everybody within 50 kilometers and say, hey, I'm having a meetup at Rico's Pizza or whatever. And then we did that last time, 85 people showed up.
01:16:06
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Wow. Yeah, it's amazing. i'm guessing you got I'm guessing you got a beer or two there from those guys. Yeah, what? I'm guessing like you you were offered the beer. I was offered plenty of beers. Plenty of beers. I don't
Exploring Fasting and Health Implications
01:16:20
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drink a lot at at those events or actually really ever, but I do like drinking, so don't get me wrong.
01:16:25
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Yeah, yeah. Man, again, ah dave Dave, thank you for what you do, man. You're well. Because there's so many... you take You've gotten so much crap over the years. I've i've seen it. It's all right. I don't care. i don't care.
01:16:36
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you know what ah You know what the thing is? were talking earlier about egos, right? And that's how it that's what keeps you away from flat earth. I've completely killed my ego. That's why I know that I'm better than everybody else.
01:16:47
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So... Real quick, I don't want to get into it, but I have to ask a question because we talked about it at You're on the f you're on the on the the um crusade that fasting is not good for health. Now, when you say fasting, that so yeah I don't want to get into the whole thing, just to make it very simple. yeah Intermittent fasting, like, hey, eat when the sun is up and don't eat when the sun is down.
01:17:10
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That's 12 hours, right? Well, what about eat from noon to sundown? Look, how old are you, Rafi? I'm 62. You're 62. At your age, I wouldn't do it.
01:17:25
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When you're 30 and up to maybe up to even 40, you can do a lot dumb stuff. You can stressful things. So eating at noon and stop eating at sunset You don't think that's good to give – something at 6 o'clock? Yeah, so so it's like ah you know you got six six, seven hours of eating. And and so to give your digestion a rest? No. All right. no We have to another podcast. For you, for someone your age that I would never – Call me old? What are you calling me?
01:17:51
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No, no. I'll kick your ass. I'm saying, dude, when I was 30, man, the amount of dumb stuff could do, I could intermittent fast and low-carb and keto and cold plunge, and I was training Muay for a fight. I did a fight, and I could do all that and have a full-time job and go to college. So when you're young and you do these things and you feel good, running on stress hormones, it's one thing. Whatever makes you feel But the older we get, but dude, why do people...
01:18:17
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do the get the runners high Why are people adrenaline junkies? These stress hormones can become addicted. Why are some people addicted to drama and relationships? So let let me just give you, I'm going to give you the one sentence thing that will be be basically the framework for my book. My book covers three topics.
01:18:36
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um three Three main points. Fasting is a terrible health and longevity strategy and I will explain why in the book coming out this year later in a few months. Fasting is a terrible weight loss strategy and fasting is a terrible strategy to address most chronic health problems.
01:18:56
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That is all right what I want. You're a mediator, right? Yes. Okay, so am I. i And, you know, I agree, fasting is a horrible way to lose weight. if i the The most weight I've ever lost is when I went on complete meat meat diet, just beef butter, bacon, and eggs, and and I lost a ton of weight. But quick, quick, quick observation.
01:19:20
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Do you know about the vegan conspiracy? That veganism is good for you? Veganism is good for you, and the elite are pushing veganism. Why are the elite pushing veganism?
01:19:32
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Well, i i've I've done vegan.
Discussing Dark Topics and Closing Remarks
01:19:35
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I'm not asking whether it's good or not. I'm saying why? you want to know why the elite are pushing veganism? So when you eat meat, you don't eat bear or coyote. You eat vegetarian animals, animals that eat grass, right?
01:19:51
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So you eat vegetarian animals because they're not as gamey, right?
01:19:56
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So they taste better. So the elite want more vegans because to they taste better. Oh, stop it, man.
01:20:13
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Is that a Thank everybody. No, it was a joke when I made it, but I think it's the truth. I think it's the truth. I think it's the truth. so dark that many of us are like, are you serious?
01:20:24
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Dude, where's you tell me. am i Am I serious? Am I right or am I wrong? Am I right or am wrong? Bro, what a dark end. I like ending on an up note, but we're going to end on that note because i think that's an up note. It's kind of funny. You know what? Actually, it's not funny at all because a few years ago, if you said that we'd be making jokes about the elite eating children, that would have been unthinkable. But now people are making jokes about it. I'm not making a joke about it, I'm just saying a truth. yeah It's important to bring awareness to people because people think you're crazy talking about that. it just means they haven't looked into it. They're too afraid and maybe some people shouldn't look into it because they'll be traumatized like badly. So maybe it's not for everyone. But we can't stop talking about it because how else are you going to expose it? How ah how else is it going to stop? like The first step is awareness. if we don't If we shut up about it, then we are not kind of complicit by by by our inactions. That's what I'm doing. Flatter at Dave.com, everybody. And if you're looking for the other conspiracies, stop, look, think, stop, look, think.com. And not everything else is there. Scroll down. You can learn about Charlie and his nonsense and everything else.
01:21:35
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Awesome. Thank you. yeah Thank you brother. See Christian. Bye. Okay.