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Healing Her Child's Vaccine Injuries | Chimene Mark
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I met Chimene at Anarchapulco 2026, where she briefly recounted her harrowing experience of her child's health being put in jeopardy by the callous treatment of the unwitting henchmen of the disease industrial crime complex. So I invited her to come on the podcast to share her story. Don't worry, it ends well!
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Transcript
Introduction of Hosts and Guest
00:00:01
Christian Yordanov
Hey folks, welcome back to Connecting Minds, k Christian Jordinov here. Today's guest is Ximène Mark. We met ah with Ximène at Anarcapulco 2026 in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, i guess a month ago at this point. And we we just shared ah a cab together, but Ximena's story in terms of her journey with her her child being injured by um ah vaccines kind of really struck me. So I thought I'd bring her on and just kind of talk about
00:00:35
Christian Yordanov
that what what that was like and then what what you did you know subsequently to you know you know help your child heal um so let's get into it shaman thank you so much for coming on the podcast
00:00:50
Chimene
Of course, welcome. i'm I'm very honored to join.
00:00:54
Christian Yordanov
so let's you want to just give us a little bit of your kind
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00:00:58
Christian Yordanov
of backstory just so the listeners can you know have a little bit of context about who you are and so on
00:01:04
Chimene
Yes, okay, well, let's see. I'm a biology and environmental science major, and I work for a company called WSilver Recycling, and I also work work well, rep, I should say, for a few other companies, which is, one is La Luz Wellness Clinic, and they're based in anna Colonia La Barón in Mexico.
00:01:30
Chimene
And then I also am part of a holistic directory here locally, and it's called Elevate Holistic Directory. And basically, I just try to find clients for them, you know, to post in their directory. And I i also sort of sign line as a roofer because I have a good friend. yeah i i try to get roofing jobs for a friend of mine. And so it's sort of a symbiotic relationship. We don't really trade money. We we barter for things.
00:02:00
Christian Yordanov
I love that.
00:02:01
Chimene
so And that's that's
00:02:01
Christian Yordanov
I love that.
00:02:02
Chimene
and then and and that's what I do for a living. But I'm mainly a mom and a gardener. That's my passion.
00:02:10
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:02:10
Chimene
i am mom I'm a mom and I garden.
00:02:10
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:02:13
Chimene
And I provide health for my family. We, we, um all of our food comes from the farm as much as we can, our protein for sure.
00:02:22
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:02:24
Chimene
And we just travel around and get a cow here and get a lamb there and bring it home. We have freezers where we can store that meat. But my journey started when I almost killed my baby.
00:02:33
Christian Yordanov
Amazing.
00:02:38
Chimene
it's It's very hard to talk about. It was it was a sad day, but I digressed. So I have my child at home and I wound up having a hemorrhage, which when I got to the hospital, basically I you know got a Tylenol and maybe a Pytocin or something. And and i was I was pretty much fine by the time I got to the hospital.
00:03:02
Chimene
and But according to the midwives, when you sign papers, you you must have a hospital transfer if you lose so much blood. So
00:03:10
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:03:10
Chimene
They put me on the ambulance and off we went. And we told the nurses to not vaccinate the baby. Well, they did anything. So he got a vitamin K shot and he got a hep B shot.
00:03:23
Chimene
I did not know this. I did not know ah that that's what happened. They took my baby and I didn't get to see him for six solid hours. It was almost like I was being punished for having my baby at home.
00:03:34
Chimene
And they took him away and I kept on calling. Please bring my baby. Please bring my baby. They were Refused to bring my baby. The midwife showed up. Completely had a nervous breakdown.
00:03:47
Chimene
her She was like, where's your baby? I said, I haven't seen my baby. She's like, not even once? and Nope, I haven't seen my baby. And she, and of course I was very tired. And I'd never done this before.
00:03:58
Chimene
So she raced off and got got my baby. And we went home a couple of days later. Back in the hospital. He has jaundice. Severe jaundice for five days.
00:04:10
Chimene
Well, I didn't realize that that was a side effect of the vitamin K shot. It's like one of the first side effects. The vitamin K shot has a black box warning, meaning you can die if you inject this vaccination. So he was very damaged at that point, but I had no correlation at the time. I was completely blind, had no idea said da that that was happening.
00:04:36
Chimene
So we go home, we recover a little bit, and then in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, you know, I'm i'm just not going to take them to the two-month visit for the other vaccines, because at this point, now I'm, the pediatricians are really pushing.
00:04:52
Chimene
the The pediatrician that put us in the hospital with with the jaundice, now he's really pushing these vaccinations, like, hardcore.
00:04:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
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00:04:59
Chimene
Every time we had to see him, it was the vaccination. And so at the two-month visit, I wound up just giving him one.
00:05:09
Chimene
i don't remember which one it is. I can look at his record and and tell you. I wound up giving him one of the vaccines.
00:05:14
Christian Yordanov
Hmm.
00:05:16
Chimene
And still no correlation, but I just had a very boogery, rattly baby. And that's what you think you're going to get. I mean, you don't know the baseline. I've never had a child. I didn't grow up around kids.
00:05:31
Chimene
So fast forward to the four months, I just had a weird feeling. I was like, no, I'm not going to do this. I don't think I should inject him. And back then, or in Texas, in Texas, if the midwives told me any information about vaccines, they could literally get their license taken away. It was very sensitive because I, yes, I was questioning the midwives about vaccinations because I had remembered a childhood friend who wasn't vaccinated.
00:06:01
Chimene
and And I thought, wow, you know, that's interesting. why did Why did my neighbor not vaccinate her son? So I asked the midwives, should I vaccinate? And they were like, we do not vaccinate our children.
00:06:15
Chimene
And I was like, but should I vaccinate mine? You have to make that own decision. You have to perform your own research and make that decision. We cannot guide you on that. You have to do it yourself. And And the poor midwives, they're like, you know, between a rock and a hard spot. They're stuck in. Of course they want to tell me everything, but if I go and say something or earth if word gets out fit that they advise me not to vaccinate and say something happens to my baby, well, then the state will come after them.
00:06:44
Chimene
So... That was good, valid advice. Go research. Do your own research. But the problem was I had a full-time job, and back then there was no no internet. I didn't have the internet at my house. You go to the library and look it up. When you're working 80 hours a week, how do you go to the library and look it up, and and what do you look up?
00:07:02
Chimene
The resources were just very limited back then. But I still had a feeling. We skipped the four-month shot.
00:07:07
Christian Yordanov
And sorry, how long ago was that?
00:07:09
Chimene
This was in 2003. He was born June 2003, was in the hospital for five days within a week or two. He was in the hospital for five days.
00:07:20
Chimene
We only gave him one one shot in two months. um It was probably like, I don't even remember the shot.
00:07:31
Chimene
I'd have to look. You know, sometimes your mind, you just want to erase things.
00:07:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:07:35
Chimene
It's it's really hard to read.
00:07:35
Christian Yordanov
Exactly, exactly, yeah.
00:07:36
Chimene
Yeah. So, but anyway, if if anyone needs proof, I have his records. um And then the the four months, I skipped it because I had a yuck feeling. I just had ah i had had a feeling that this is something that we shouldn't do.
00:07:46
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:07:49
Chimene
And then when he was six months, you know, there's pertussis going around and, oh, you know, the babies are dying at the hospitals. And it was just very scary. And so, of course, I went in for one of his probably a well visit, you know, to make him sick.
00:08:07
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:08:08
Chimene
um
00:08:08
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:08:09
Chimene
I went in and I'm like, no, I just want this one, i you know, the pertussis, because they were pushing the vaccine. Oh, I went in because his his little ear was hurting. he was He kept on rubbing his ear.
00:08:20
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:08:22
Chimene
And so I so i said, i don't want anything, but, you know, maybe just the pertussis says the babies are dying, according to the news, right? Or, you know, friends or whoever's telling me the babies are dying, scaring me to death.
00:08:37
Chimene
And Josh, he was like, well, he needs antibiotics too. I said, no, I'm not here for antibiotics. but I'm here, you know, to just make sure he's going be okay. Well, all of a sudden the doctor came, two nurses come, they're pinning me against the wall.
00:08:51
Chimene
I mean, literally. And they're like your baby's going to die.
00:08:53
Christian Yordanov
Whoa.
00:08:53
Chimene
He has a thousand needles. banging in his brain right now because you refuse to give him antibiotics. He that he needs it. He's going to be suffering and he needs it.
00:09:05
Chimene
And I was like, well, okay. Well, the next thing you know, they come with a tray of of needles and I don't, I'm not a doctor. I don't know what those things are. I consented, but I didn't know to what. They did not explain to me what they were giving him.
00:09:22
Chimene
Well, they gave him, They gave him the upshots of all the vaccines he missed, plus the current ones, plus a flu shot, which isn't even, i don't even know why they gave him a flu shot, but I know why to kill him.
00:09:37
Chimene
No, um' I shouldn't say that. And they gave him an antibiotic shot. So he was screaming. We were holding him down.
00:09:44
Christian Yordanov
Jesus
00:09:45
Chimene
It was terrifying. That last needle wasn't even out of his leg. And he passed out cold, absolute syncope, unresponsive.
00:09:56
Chimene
He did not wake up for two hours. And that doctor threw me out of that office so fast. He said, oh, your baby just needs a little nap. I was freaking out. And I said, no, he's not napping. He was like, he's napping.
00:10:10
Chimene
Don't disturb him. Let him sleep. He needs the rest. He will wake up. And I'm like, I remember driving home, just bawling, and I'm just little, you know, because in the U.S., you put the babies in the car seat behind you, and so I'm grabbing his little leg, and I'm shaking his leg, and all the way home, and he's not waking up and not waking up, and I'm just standing over them and watching him, and he wakes up with the loudest scream, like, and he's screaming at the back of his just from the bottom of his lungs and he's arching his back and he's in so much pain and and it's winter time so he has a onesie on so I go to change his diaper because he's waking up I go to change and his legs have like these giant it looks like giant
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00:10:58
Chimene
mosquito bites you know when someone has a reaction to a mosquito bite like it gets raised and hot and then that center poke and and it gets you know your skin's all hot and red and and firm.
00:11:00
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:09
Chimene
He has these mosquito bites literally the size of his size. And within, this is terrible, but moms need to know this. It's this, they get this diarrhea, and it's, I call it industrial diarrhea.
00:11:26
Chimene
It is the oddest color. It's like a petrol color, like from a chemical. It's a chemical color. It's a weird yellow orangey thing.
00:11:37
Chimene
um Nothing like I've ever seen before.
00:11:37
Christian Yordanov
Hmm.
00:11:40
Chimene
it burns It burns them because all of a sudden he has these rashes that are as thick, just thick, nasty, rashes and the, that, and it just smells so awful. Moms will know exactly what you're talking, especially if it's a breastfed baby. All of a sudden he has diarrhea. Then he's, um, he's vomiting and off to the pediatrician we go and they give us Tylenol.
00:12:10
Chimene
They give us some inhaler and, we come home with all kinds of prescriptions and we're just good little minions trying to cure our baby. And we're giving the baby every, his name is Dylan.
00:12:24
Chimene
We're giving him every, everything that, that the doctor gives us. And and then exactly to the three week mark, which they say vaccine injury, the average timeframe is three weeks from that shot.
00:12:41
Chimene
Your body goes down three weeks from the shot. within, I'd say, two weeks and a few days, he was he went into respiratory failure back in the hospital.
00:12:53
Chimene
Back in the hospital, and he has respiratory failure. We were there for another three days. We get out.
00:13:01
Chimene
I fire that doctor. I fire that doctor. I run as fast as I can, and I find i find a beautiful pediatrician that never harassed us about vaccines again. So that doctor's gone.
00:13:14
Chimene
At the hospital, this nurse, and if I knew who she was, I would buy that woman a house and a property and and a garden. she She sidelined me and she said, listen, because I told the hospital those vaccinations killed my baby. ah He was perfectly fine.
00:13:32
Chimene
and and And I told the the story to this nurse about him passing out and then this and that and then the rest. the respiratory failure, the the the rattling, the coughing. I mean, he was like vomiting phlegm. Oh, we'd give him Tylenol and he would throw it up and it he it would hit the wall.
00:13:47
Chimene
Like literally four feet of vomit. It just went straight to the wall and splattered all the way down. And my husband and I were like, what is happening? So I'm telling the nurse what has happened in the past three weeks. And she said, listen, you can't ever vaccinate your baby again.
00:14:03
Chimene
She said, your baby will die. One more injection, your baby's dead. He went he had an amaphilat anaphylactic reaction, and it's a compound effect. That's when I learned what compound effects was.
00:14:15
Chimene
You know, you can take one chemical, you're fine. You take another chemical, you it backs up like a traffic jam.
00:14:21
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:14:22
Chimene
ah The dam of water, you take another chemical, your body can't release it fast enough.
00:14:22
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:14:25
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:14:27
Chimene
and And so she said, don't you dare do that to your baby.
00:14:27
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:14:31
Chimene
I'm telling you right now, you'll have a dead baby. And i don't and I'm not kidding. I'm being serious. And so she she ignited that fire in me. And she said, there's a clinic in Chicago contact this clinic. She gave me the number and she said, call this lady. She's my friend.
00:14:48
Chimene
it's ah It's a vaccine detox clinic in Chicago and they specialize in vaccine detoxification. So this is where you had a landline. You didn't even have a cell phone. Okay.
00:15:00
Chimene
And, or I didn't anyway, or if may, okay, I take it back. I had a cell phone, but it was my work phone and you couldn't make long calls like that. It was very expensive.
00:15:11
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:15:11
Chimene
So I'm getting on my landline.
00:15:11
Christian Yordanov
ye
00:15:13
Chimene
And I'm, I called this nurse and she answered and I told her the story. I told her that this nurse recommended her and she said, all right, come out here. I'm checking you in. Do you have $15,000? I mean, this was 2003, $15,000 was like $50,000. we no i mean this was two thousand And three fifteen thousand dollars was like fifty thousand dollars no, we don't want and i know I don't.
00:15:32
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:15:34
Chimene
And I'm, I'm working. I'm i'm working from home, even though Even though ah I had the baby, i was still I still told my job I would work from home. I never quit working.
00:15:46
Chimene
And so I immediately started bawling and crying. I didn't have the money. I didn't have the time. And I didn't have the time off. And she asked me a lot of questions about my health, about my background, what I did for a living. I mean, she really took a deep dive into my lifestyle. And she said, listen, she said, you're a good patient.
00:16:09
Chimene
She said, you you the way you have answered me, she said, I believe that you will truly follow my recommendation. I said, yes, ma'am.
00:16:21
Chimene
Yes, ma'am.
00:16:21
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:16:22
Chimene
I'm going to follow your recommendation. And I said, well, what do I have to do? Can we do something you know over the phone or or something cheaper program or what? And she said, ah after hours, I will call you.
00:16:35
Chimene
and I will consult with you after hours, but you have to do everything I say. And I said, of course. So she called me for three days in a row. We sat on the phone for two or three hours after her work, and she said, go to your pantry.
00:16:50
Chimene
you You pull out every single box, and you tell me what you have, and and you have a trash can, and then you have a box that you're going to put back in your pantry.
00:16:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:16:58
Chimene
And I said, okay. We emptied the pantry. I had two items left there. And she said, don't ever eat that crap again. She told taught me about ingredients.
00:17:09
Chimene
Never accept an MSG or an autolyzed yeast extract. And there are over, in the U.S., there's over 356 names that they call MSG.
00:17:23
Chimene
So a package in the U.S.
00:17:24
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:17:25
Chimene
can say no MSG, but it has autolyzed yeast extracts.
00:17:28
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:17:29
Chimene
Okay, it's
00:17:29
Christian Yordanov
Yes.
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00:17:30
Chimene
the same it's the same darn thing.
00:17:30
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:17:33
Chimene
She taught me all that. She taught me about all the dyes, about every chemical, about the preservatives, about boxed food. She said, go get raw milk. Well, at that time in Texas, it was very against the lot to sell or buy raw milk. I mean, they'll put you in the clink right quick.
00:17:52
Chimene
And she said, go find raw milk. Go find, never eat grocery store meat again. do not eat grocery store meat or restaurant meat. Well, it's hard to do. We have to do it every once in a while, but this is for your main lifestyle and your main source of protein.
00:18:04
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah mm-hmm
00:18:05
Chimene
She said, go to the farm and get eggs, grow a garden, done, already had a garden growing. That's not a problem. My, my, my family has always been gardeners. That was the easiest thing for me to do.
00:18:17
Chimene
So, and she, you know, she was like whole food, juice, detox baths, you know, binders. just And, and she treated mother and baby as one unit.
00:18:30
Chimene
She said, you guys are one in the same. you know, you've got to detox just as much as she that he has to detox.
00:18:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:38
Chimene
And so we started on that detox program and and he got a little better, a little better. And he finally, I mean, he was looking healthy and and and everything, but for four solid years,
00:18:53
Chimene
his lungs rattled. Like I, I would take him to the doctor because it would sound, people would say, what's, what's going on? It was the weirdest rattle. It sounded like he had an actual rattle in his lungs and it never stopped for four years.
00:19:07
Chimene
But, but that's, it was his lungs releasing those chemicals. It just took four years for the chemicals to get out of his body.
00:19:12
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:15
Chimene
And, and he was a toughie. He, he was a tough, tough child. He was very challenging. And he was smart in school. he He always made stellar grades. He was very smart in school. He was a a very good athlete. But if that kid, if we did not have him running 24-7, I mean, he would literally drive us crazy because he was very hyper.
00:19:40
Chimene
But again, boys, he was he was a boy and and and he was a child and then children should be hyper. Thank goodness we lived on an acre and we let them run. you know, we got a zip line. We got a trampoline. We got a playhouse. and And that really cultivated his energy to, you know, be able to expend it because he was mentally very challenging until age 10 to 11.
00:20:07
Chimene
That's when I say he was detoxed. dick because he would get in loops he'd be like route route route he wouldn't he he would get in the loop of wanting something or needing something or he had an idea and he wouldn't i couldn't get him out of the loop and i and i'd say you're looping you're looping you're looping stop looping and and so by 10 or 11 nothing he's never looped again so i feel at at that time frame is when
00:20:12
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:20:38
Chimene
The majority of the chemicals were released enough for him to be himself.
00:20:44
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:20:45
Chimene
So, um and we just, I have a garden.
00:20:45
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:20:48
Chimene
You can see all the plants in the house. I mean, we have a garden in the house.
00:20:51
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:20:51
Chimene
We have a garden in the back. ive I started, you know, we make all of our own tinctures. i We have teas. we We are plant-based, plant-based.
00:21:04
Chimene
I don't want to say medicine because that's such a, Plant-based health. but Whenever there's an ailment, there's a plant or a mineral or something of the earth for that.
00:21:17
Chimene
Every pharmaceutical is a synthesis of nature.
00:21:17
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:21:21
Chimene
It's a synthetic of nature. So why not just go back to nature? So basically this nurse had us go back to nature and that was the best thing for our family. And I was hardcore. I didn't allow my children, going back to nature, i didn't even allow them to watch television. They didn't have video games until my son was old enough to buy one with his own money.
00:21:45
Chimene
They didn't have, yeah, that's, yeah, they didn't have video games. they They didn't get to watch TV, maybe one hour here and there, but never on the daily. The summers were spent, televisions off.
00:21:57
Chimene
I mean, literally, the kids just revealed to me over a holiday not long ago that when they said, Mom, when you would go to the grocery store and leave us, because, you know, they're at a certain age. Once they're a certain age in the U.S., you can leave them.
00:22:14
Chimene
once they were of age for me to leave them to go to the grocery store, they said, Mom, we want to confess every time you to the grocery store, we would turn on the television. And I was like, I know.
00:22:26
Chimene
I know you would. And they were like, how? And I said, well, when you when the television's on and it just gets turned off, you can walk over to it and and touch it and it goes, you know, it gives you a spark.
00:22:39
Chimene
It gives you the electricity.
00:22:39
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
00:22:40
Chimene
And so I would come right in and I would go and, you know, it would be warm and the electricity would be there.
00:22:44
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
00:22:46
Chimene
But I wouldn't say anything because they were entertained while I was gone.
00:22:48
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:22:50
Chimene
And that's their, they were making their own little decisions.
00:22:51
Christian Yordanov
Of course. Yeah.
00:22:53
Chimene
And and i would I would turn on the TV and later and they were watching appropriate content.
00:22:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
00:22:59
Chimene
so So that was okay.
00:22:59
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
00:23:01
Chimene
But no television. Outside play, get in the dirt, take off your shoes, get in the sunshine, you know, have your plants and your minerals and your keys and and beaten zero Tylenol.
00:23:14
Chimene
Let the fevers burn. If anybody had a fever, they burned.
00:23:16
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:23:18
Chimene
if if If they were sick, bath fluids and and pray for the fever because the fever really does take care of all kinds of business in the body.
00:23:18
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:23:24
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:23:27
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:23:28
Chimene
And, uh, And now they're um they're thriving. um My second son, he only got the vitamin K shot because at the time I still hadn't correlated the vitamin K with the jaundice.
00:23:38
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:23:42
Chimene
a
00:23:42
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:23:43
Chimene
He was only two years behind my other son and I still didn't have all the information. Like I knew, I knew I shouldn't vaccinate, but I still hadn't read all the information that I have today. So my second son did get the vitamin K shot, but nothing else.
00:23:59
Chimene
because they they presented it as a vitamin. And so by the time my daughter came around, I knew better. And she has zero.
00:24:11
Chimene
so But but but since my since my son was six months old, we've never done Tylenol, Ibuprofen, or any over-the-counter anything ever.
00:24:24
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, that's amazing. And you know, it's just, i think you your story, it's great that it has happy, let's just say a happy end to that, all that horror.
00:24:25
Chimene
Mm-hmm.
00:24:37
Christian Yordanov
um ah the the the The, you know, the horrific part though is that millions, I guess tens of millions of families and and children now, unfortunately, they are,
00:24:51
Christian Yordanov
you know, basically damaged for life by by, in some of these cases with these vaccines, it's absolutely, like, I cannot think of a more heinous, horrific crime against humanity um right now going on at a mass scale.
00:24:55
Chimene
Yes.
00:25:04
Chimene
No. And it's It's the uninformed consent. They didn't even tell me what they were injecting into my baby. They did not explain it.
00:25:14
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:25:15
Chimene
They, they pinned me against the wall, literally three of them.
00:25:18
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:25:18
Chimene
And then they brought the tray in. They did not give me any side. They didn't tell me, Oh, this vitamin K shot has a black box warning or, you know, the, the, the, he got the D tap, the, he didn't, he didn't get the um MMR.
00:25:33
Chimene
He got the D tap, the flu shot, um, I don't know. I'd have to look at that thing.
00:25:39
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:25:39
Chimene
I just try to avoid it at all costs.
00:25:39
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:41
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:25:42
Chimene
But the uninformed consent is unisonized. I believe if someone really, truly believes in vaccines and they truly believe that's going to save them, well, that's their choice.
00:25:55
Chimene
But they should be informed of what could happen to their body if they if they and inject that material. All you have to do is look at the manufacturer's inserts and they tell you exactly what's going to happen to your body.
00:26:10
Christian Yordanov
but But that's the thing. like i would pro If you lined up 100 pediatricians right now, i I doubt that most of them would even know what's in these damn things.
00:26:22
Christian Yordanov
Seriously.
00:26:23
Chimene
No. and and And I was railroaded by my friends. There was people in town that said that that my children will not be allowed to play with their children because they're unvaccinated and have the diseases.
00:26:39
Chimene
i mean, that was, that's I was like, what?
00:26:40
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:26:43
Chimene
Well, off with you. Like, excuse me, you injected the diseases.
00:26:46
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:26:47
Chimene
You have 100% chance of having the diseases. You injected them.
00:26:51
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:26:51
Chimene
You know, my kids are fine.
00:26:52
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:26:54
Chimene
And just, just, you know people say, well, what, what if your kids, you know, something's going to be wrong with them if they don't get the vaccine? No, no. he Even, even as damaged as Zealand was, he graduated with honors. He graduated most valuable player, you know, and, and he got state recognition as well as citywide recognition.
00:27:17
Chimene
He, I fixed him.
00:27:17
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:20
Chimene
If you, if,
00:27:21
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:27:21
Chimene
If you don't do it, you don't have to fix anything. but But if you can recognize and open your eyes, you can fix them. And also...
00:27:28
Christian Yordanov
can i Can I just, sorry sorry to interrupt here, this is actually another subtle way the parents get, um ah I have plenty of parents that I've kind of worked and communicated with over the years that where they stop doing a bunch of the things like, you know, organic acids testing and, you know,
00:27:28
Chimene
Yes.
00:27:49
Christian Yordanov
just making sure the diet is really clean, really organic and and no no shitty junk food and taking plenty of supplements. They stopped doing that because I don't know how they do it.
00:28:01
Christian Yordanov
It's some kind of spell that the at least in kind of the autism community, there's There's a contingent of parents that shame those people because they are then saying, you, there's something wrong with you.
00:28:13
Christian Yordanov
You are not accepting the child that God gave you and you're trying to fix your child.
00:28:16
Chimene
Yes.
00:28:18
Christian Yordanov
That is unbelievably, unbelievably messed up.
00:28:21
Chimene
Autism's a superpower. autism's No, it's not.
00:28:23
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, man.
00:28:24
Chimene
no it's not a superpower.
00:28:25
Christian Yordanov
It's unbelievable.
00:28:27
Chimene
it's it's No, it's not a superpower. Their brain is damaged. you know and then And I also feel like it should be some sort of law.
00:28:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:28:39
Chimene
that if you are methylene tetrahydrofolate reductase positive, it's MTHFR positive,
00:28:49
Chimene
that you should be documented in all like your whole file that you should never be vaccinated because that's where you have the blood-brain barrier that the chemicals can pass. Your blood-brain barrier isn't intact when you have that genetic condition.
00:29:05
Chimene
you know it's And he did. My son had that. I found that out much later and that is what happened to him because they're like oh, my kids took the vaccine and they're fine. Well,
00:29:17
Chimene
Are they going to have MS later? Are they going to have rheumatoid arthritis later?
00:29:21
Christian Yordanov
Or autoimmune disease, yeah.
00:29:23
Chimene
for autoimmune disease?
00:29:23
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, asthma.
00:29:25
Chimene
or Or asthma?
00:29:25
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:29:26
Chimene
i You know, you don't know that for many, many years. it's ah Again, it's a compound.
00:29:30
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:29:32
Chimene
and And those injections just make your body sick. How can flamaldehyde, polysorbate 80, the Roundup that they put in the vaccines, they you know they put the Roundup in there because the little
00:29:45
Christian Yordanov
Dead fetus cells.
00:29:47
Chimene
Yeah, this an oh, bovine, caterpillar.
00:29:48
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:29:51
Chimene
The Darby is the canine. It's the Cocker Spaniel. um
00:29:56
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:29:56
Chimene
They have the chicken, the chicken in there. It's disgusting that we're injecting that.
00:30:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. It's absolutely horrific.
00:30:03
Chimene
And then in order to make the vaccine, they have to harvest live babies and harvest their organs for the vaccine research.
00:30:04
Christian Yordanov
It's horrific.
00:30:12
Chimene
Really? So literally they're harvesting live fetuses.
00:30:13
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:30:16
Chimene
And theyre the the the the fetuses are having their organs removed while they're alive. Like what kind of sinister, crazy business is that?
00:30:21
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:24
Chimene
And then you're injecting those into your babies and yourself. Listen, I had all my vaccines. My parents followed the CDC schedule. I traveled and backpacked in the third world countries.
00:30:34
Chimene
I went, I backpacked through Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, and Honduras. Every time I got on the plane, my my parents or my mom took me to the the doctor, and I don't even know what I got. I probably have this.
00:30:48
Chimene
I don't even know. But I was sick all the time.
00:30:50
Christian Yordanov
Jesus
00:30:52
Chimene
And what the parents receive is provided to the children. So he was already loaded. i I got a flu shot while I was pregnant.
00:31:05
Christian Yordanov
Christ. Yeah.
00:31:05
Chimene
Okay.
00:31:05
Chimene
So I'm not coming from a place of shame. I'm coming from a place of knowledge because I did it. I did that.
00:31:12
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:31:13
Chimene
They told me my baby was going to die if I didn't get the flu shot because the flu is going around. And if you get the flu, your baby will die and you'll spontanely use spontaneously abort it. Do you want that?
00:31:25
Chimene
I'm like, well, no.
00:31:26
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:31:26
Chimene
and they're like, well, here. And I'm like, okay, you know. Okay. And I, I didn't even, i was just following blindly a first time mom.
00:31:32
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:31:35
Chimene
I had no family or there's no support in this area and everybody was doing it. And so that's what I was told. And I did it. And so i think that flu shot was the first of, that was got what got the ball rolling.
00:31:52
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:31:52
Chimene
He was already damaged from that shot.
00:31:53
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:31:56
Chimene
And When I stopped all that business is when I got better. When i so when i when we when when we stopped all the Tylenol, stopped all the ibuprofen, I was just a normal person popping pills in college. You would go to the
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00:32:12
Chimene
clinic in college because you had a cold and you needed to study for your test in two days and you can't handle this cold. I took everything they gave me.
00:32:21
Chimene
I would go mountain biking and get poison ivy. I don't know how many cortisol shots they gave me. You're supposed to only have three in your life. I probably had six or eight.
00:32:28
Christian Yordanov
is it wow people are taking those things daily that those corticosteroids in some cases it's insane
00:32:36
Chimene
and and and But you you didn't know. I mean, i understand these people blindly. But the thing is, with once I received the information, that i you have to internalize it.
00:32:48
Chimene
You have to receive the information and be open-minded.
00:32:49
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:32:50
Chimene
And you also have to go on testimonials.
00:32:51
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:32:53
Chimene
Like I would, if my midwives could have, if if the state would have allowed them to guide me on vaccinations and if they could have told me everything, that would have changed my world, but they couldn't.
00:33:07
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:33:07
Chimene
I would have heeded that advice. and And I remember how disappointed my midwife was when she found out I got the flu shot.
00:33:11
Christian Yordanov
Mm. Mm.
00:33:16
Chimene
And i I was like, I couldn't understand. I felt the disappointment, but I didn't understand it. And she didn't explain it. But I should have read between the lines. I should have read.
00:33:26
Chimene
But but you're scared and you're you're tired.
00:33:27
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:33:29
Chimene
And, you know, the baby's coming and and they tell you he's going to die. Well, I did it and he almost died anyway. Just like my shirt.
00:33:35
Christian Yordanov
yeah oh yeah let let let's let's talk about so um oh just for the listeners before we start recording she meant showed me her uh shopping t-shirt collection do want to run us through what you have written on your t-shirts for your shopping trips
00:33:36
Chimene
Vaccinate your kids. We did. Rest in peace.
00:33:54
Chimene
Yes, I love to wear my my information, my informative t-shirt shopping. So I have one that says, vaccinate your kids. We did rest in peace. and And it says, you know, hashtag not rare. And it has a list of all the you know the kids that are under this program that pretty much died acutely, like within a few days of their vaccines. Like it was a wild business.
00:34:19
Chimene
And then I have... ah a shirt and they're all printed front and back so if you're you're walking towards me or walking behind me you see and it says repeal the yeah repeal the not yeah yeah you have to cover your eyes you know put your mask up here instead of down there um
00:34:30
Christian Yordanov
You can't escape it.
00:34:33
Christian Yordanov
You have to cover cover your eyes like a normie. Like an ignorant normie.
00:34:40
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:41
Chimene
And so I have one that says repeal the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, which Ronald Reagan, our president, signed that act that rendered all vaccine manufacturers not liable for vaccine injuries.
00:34:48
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:34:57
Chimene
Because the manufacturers told the government, we are going to halt production on vaccines. We're getting sued and they're all winning. We're losing money. We're not making money on these vaccinations.
00:35:07
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:35:09
Chimene
So we're done here. And the government was like, oh, let's protect you. So you don't have to go to court.
00:35:14
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:35:16
Chimene
And so now
00:35:16
Christian Yordanov
and ah and and And doctors don't know that and most parents don't know that.
00:35:17
Chimene
Yeah.
00:35:22
Christian Yordanov
Another in uninformed sort of consent piece.
00:35:26
Chimene
yes in Yes, doctors don't know that. Parents don't know that. And then after that act was put in place and manufacturers weren't liable, well, the families kept on coming in droves.
00:35:41
Chimene
And so then they created the VAERS. They created the Vaccine Adverse ah Effect Reporting System.
00:35:49
Christian Yordanov
Event reports.
00:35:51
Chimene
And they're the the constituent of the United States
00:35:51
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:55
Chimene
pay for that program. Our tax dollars pay for that program.
00:36:01
Chimene
1% of vaccine injuries are reported to VAERS.
00:36:07
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
00:36:07
Chimene
Yes. And you in the United States, you may not file a court case without a VAERS ID. You have to have a VAERS ID before it any court will even open a case for you.
00:36:21
Chimene
So 1% gets reported. 1% gets a court case. And 1% of the court cases receive monetary value for their injuries.
00:36:35
Chimene
We've paid out over $5 billion.
00:36:36
Christian Yordanov
and yeah i was gonna say four billion but i guess it's it's five billion wow
00:36:38
Chimene
No,
00:36:42
Chimene
no it's gone, like it was $4 billion before 2020. So, I mean, it's ah it's around $5 billion.
00:36:45
Christian Yordanov
wow
00:36:47
Chimene
It's it's a way above $4 billion.
00:36:48
Christian Yordanov
So if you multiply that by 100 twice, we're talking quadri... I don't even know those numbers. I'm not a math guy, but that's insane.
00:36:56
Chimene
Right. So so if you want to if you want to give grace to the program, we have to say, let's say 90, you can multiply that by 90%.
00:37:13
Chimene
Because now we are giving them 1 to 10% grace. Because now that COVID came around, more people entered into the VAERS. And you know our VAERS crashed at least twice.
00:37:26
Chimene
I think maybe a third time, I'm not sure, but we crashed the system after the COVID shots like April of 2021.
00:37:38
Chimene
We crashed theirs because so many people were online at the same time entering their injuries. and So now we give it grace.
00:37:49
Chimene
We, you know, back then it was 1% that was reported. Now let's give it grace 10% that's reported. Well, that that leaves the 90% still missing. So if you go to the VAERS and you look at the 40,000 people that died, times that by 90, let's do that.
00:38:05
Chimene
So 40,000 people that are reported, I think it might be 38,000. Let's give it don't know if it's gotten but it's climbing. It could be 40 now.
00:38:14
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:38:15
Chimene
I haven't looked at it in months. But let's just say 38, so I'm not lying, okay?
00:38:19
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:20
Chimene
Times 90% because only 10%. Okay, wow. that's That's like 3,420,000 people dead because of that shot that are unreported.
00:38:36
Christian Yordanov
It's just unbelievable.
00:38:36
Chimene
According, if you if you apply, you know, loose bio stats. So anyway, another t-shirt is my grocery tourist t-shirt.
00:38:41
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, it's...
00:38:45
Chimene
Health is cultivated, not injected. That's a good one. People really stare at that hard. And then i have i have my forced to comply shirt with the mask on.
00:38:58
Chimene
And I really don't have to wear that anymore because, you know, we've been unmasked. But I wore that everywhere during masking time.
00:39:03
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:39:08
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. And you had more though.
00:39:12
Chimene
oh um Oh, I have, oh, the um the national vaccine, I went to the VIE event, the vaccine injury epidemic ah event with Del Big Tree, RFK, Suzanne Humphries.
00:39:22
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:39:27
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:39:29
Chimene
um There was a lot of the big hitters there, so I wear that one. And that's about it. Yeah, oh, the my Mama Bear. I have my ma my wear my Mama Bear shirt around.
00:39:38
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:39:38
Chimene
And I usually wear my Mama Bear shirts I have several mama bear shirts and I wear them when I'm going in front of the school board.
00:39:39
Christian Yordanov
It's
00:39:46
Christian Yordanov
Wow. the You know, but like this is this is the thing, this is the thing, right? So if stuff like this happens and you learn some stuff, I think it's so important for us, all of us, to spread the word, spread the message. it doesn't matter what it's about, whether it's about vaccine injury, whether it's about, you know, glyphosate in the food supply, whatever the case is, right?
00:40:09
Christian Yordanov
Because... unless we do that, you're not going to go to Google. Hey, is the government and the pharma industry trying to poison my kids? Oh, you what I mean?
00:40:19
Christian Yordanov
Like you go go to Google and and and go go search through the first hundred pages of results.
00:40:20
Chimene
No.
00:40:23
Christian Yordanov
See how much luck you have finding account and counter narrative, right?
00:40:26
Chimene
You will have zero luck.
00:40:28
Christian Yordanov
So I think it's important ah to to spread awareness to other people.
00:40:29
Chimene
You will...
00:40:32
Christian Yordanov
And so again, like you can't, change someone's mind because here's the thing and i've I've thought about this a lot over the years since you know was my first book like I said to you earlier was on autism so I've seen what these parents some of them are like when they don't want to admit that it it could have been the vaccines that contributed at least contributed not necessarily ah downright caused it you know um because it's usually a number of other things that that were happening on top of everything but
00:41:02
Chimene
Well, they what happens is they get vaccinated, so they're damaged. So then they're reacting, right? They're they're they're sick.
00:41:08
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:41:09
Chimene
they're your Your skin and your lungs are the last to produce. So, you know, they get a fever. that's why That's why they say, oh, if your kid gets a fever or your child gets a fever, just give them Tylenol. No, you are...
00:41:21
Chimene
oh, they're just further damaging. They're just beating the dead horse when you give a child a Tylenol after a vaccination.
00:41:24
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
00:41:28
Chimene
And that's common ground. And toggle with ibuprofen.
00:41:30
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
00:41:31
Chimene
And and so, um but they but listen, I went back to my doctor and I said, the vaccines did that. And it said, absolutely not. your absolute I mean, they literally acted like I was insane.
00:41:44
Chimene
I have a T-shirt for that. That's the other T-shirt. I just found it. And it says, the good thing about science is that is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.
00:41:56
Chimene
And my aunt gave me this. My aunt gave me that cert. And so, you know, you can tell the parents all about the science and they're still not going to believe it.
00:42:00
Christian Yordanov
Nice.
00:42:05
Chimene
And they don't understand that these researchers are paid to produce the result of the house, which is paying them whatever
00:42:14
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:15
Chimene
Whatever corporation is paying them to get those good results, like the cigarette companies paid the scientists to say that cigarettes do not cause damage or cancer.
00:42:26
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah
00:42:26
Chimene
you know, they were recommending, I don't know, where do you live? Where are you from?
00:42:31
Christian Yordanov
for Portugal.
00:42:32
Chimene
Oh, wow. Well, I don't know how the advertisement went back back in the 50s and 60s for you guys, but literally there are pregnant women smoking marbles or, you know,
00:42:42
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:42:44
Chimene
Doctors prefer camels if you're pregnant. Like literally the doctors have the women smoking.
00:42:47
Christian Yordanov
I know it's...
00:42:52
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah. And um yeah, so it's so difficult. it's but imagine you Imagine you're doing something to your kids or or to yourself, whether that's eating a specific way that's potentially harmful or, you know, interventions that are harming your kids.
00:43:07
Christian Yordanov
Like the the human ego, its main role is to maintain stasis. So it it wants to defend itself.
00:43:17
Christian Yordanov
So if you come in at any from any angle with any amount of information It's so normal for us to immediately have this knee-jerk reaction.
00:43:18
Chimene
you
00:43:25
Christian Yordanov
No, you must be wrong. Here are the reasons why. And the problem the problem is that from what I've seen, any anyone, any human that is intellectually honest and actually does an honest sort of, let's just say, objective, unbiased look into vaccines, into vaccines properly, no more than just...
00:43:46
Christian Yordanov
oh but the cdc said there's mercury already in the air and there's aluminum in in the cheese so you if they actually look at it properly no person no person that has an iq over 80 is going to vaccinate themselves or their kids not one single person that's not mentally retarded seriously
00:43:48
Chimene
You're
00:43:53
Chimene
right.
00:43:58
Chimene
No one.
00:44:07
Chimene
Exactly. You would stop deadpan. If you just looked at it, you would stop. All you have to do is read the manufacturer's inserts. Read them. They tell you.
00:44:17
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:18
Chimene
it's just it blows my mind. ah Listen, I had this one.
00:44:21
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:44:25
Chimene
I don't even know if she was a friend back then, if she could even say this, but I was breastfeeding my baby, and and he was about a year. And she said, when are you going to quit breastfeeding?
00:44:38
Chimene
And I'm like, whenever I feel like it. and And let me digress. That nurse that saved our lives, that saved my life, my baby's life, she told me, whatever you do, you breast f you breastfeed for a minimum of years.
00:44:55
Chimene
minimum And I did.
00:44:57
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:44:57
Chimene
i breastfed each child 2.5 years. By the time my first one son was 2.5 years, I was already well into my pregnancy with my second. So it's like I put down one baby and picked up another baby.
00:45:08
Chimene
And then the other one came two years and nine months later, I put down that baby and I picked up this one. So I breastfed for seven and a half years straight without stopping.
00:45:15
Christian Yordanov
Holy cow.
00:45:17
Chimene
So I really think that that
00:45:17
Christian Yordanov
Whoa.
00:45:21
Chimene
provided the foundation and the nutrition. And and when they're when they're two and a half years old, they don't breastfeed every five minutes like a newborn.
00:45:24
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:45:29
Chimene
They pop on at night to to go to bed or, you know, in the morning when they wake up.
00:45:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:45:34
Chimene
During the day, it's it's a moot point. They're not after you all day.
00:45:38
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:45:38
Chimene
think My kids never tried to breastfeed in public or do anything weird.
00:45:39
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
00:45:42
Chimene
You know, they they have all these ideas of, you know, you know
00:45:46
Christian Yordanov
yeah. yeah
00:45:48
Chimene
dragging your toddler on the boob through the grocery store. No, that's not how it happens.
00:45:51
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:53
Chimene
It's a very private.
00:45:53
Christian Yordanov
And yeah I don't know if you've actually looked at, compared formula ingredients in the USA versus in Europe, but someone I saw a picture somewhere, the difference between what's in the US formula.
00:46:04
Chimene
Oh, it
00:46:08
Christian Yordanov
not Look, listen, when when when when my wife was pregnant, I had an inkling of an idea to buy some certified organic
Alternatives in Healthcare and Responsible Choices
00:46:18
Christian Yordanov
formula just in case.
00:46:20
Christian Yordanov
So then our midwife advised us, look, just no, but don't, you'll be fine. But even, and I was so glad she did say that because even the certified organic garbage had um just crap, like safflower oil, sunflower oil.
00:46:36
Chimene
yeah
00:46:37
Christian Yordanov
But, but when I saw a label of a US one, It had not only ah a good i' twenty thirty percent more ingredients, but it was like soybean oil.
00:46:49
Christian Yordanov
It was basically just glorified poison.
00:46:51
Chimene
MSG, dextrose, poison, poison, dextrose, yes.
00:46:54
Christian Yordanov
Poison. Just poison. Like poison. It's disgusting.
00:47:00
Chimene
Terrible.
00:47:00
Christian Yordanov
Like unbelievably disgusting.
00:47:01
Chimene
I can't, I know.
00:47:03
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:47:03
Chimene
I know. and and bla
00:47:05
Christian Yordanov
and then And then they shame you for pointing out the shit that it is because what about those brothers that can't breastfeed you monster?
00:47:08
Chimene
Yeah.
00:47:12
Christian Yordanov
No, but you know what? Like back in the day, people people would use like colostrum, cow's milk, gra you know, raw milk. Like you would get like a, I forget the name of those women that do that.
00:47:20
Chimene
Yeah.
00:47:24
Christian Yordanov
You know, there's women that's kind of like their job and no not a wet nurse.
00:47:29
Chimene
Yeah, the wet nurse.
00:47:29
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, something like that. Right.
00:47:31
Chimene
Yes.
00:47:31
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah. so And then you're actually like by not only is it healthier for for your child, but you're actually helping somebody, you know, make a few extra bucks, make an income. So it's kind of like a community ah aspect that they they want to divide and and and sort of remove all of these things that, you know, we used to do and we were a hell of a lot healthier, you know, two two, four hundred years ago, five hundred years ago, whatever the case is.
00:47:42
Chimene
Yeah.
00:47:56
Christian Yordanov
So it's kind of like every... It seems like they thought every angle how to like scare the bejesus out of parents. So they vaccinate when they're tired, when they're stressed, when they don't know what they're doing with a new baby.
00:48:07
Chimene
yeah
00:48:09
Christian Yordanov
And then it just continues. And then at the first sign of fever, oh, you got to stop the fever. It's the healing. That's the healing mechanism in the body.
00:48:18
Chimene
mechanism.
00:48:18
Christian Yordanov
It's literally the healing mechanism. And they're teaching us to stop it from as as soon as even we were kids, a lot of our parents were like that too.
00:48:21
Chimene
Yes.
00:48:28
Christian Yordanov
So it's so messed up, man. So messed up
00:48:30
Chimene
it it It's so messed up. And going back to the wet nursing community, I i There's a community down here in Mexico and they're there're Americans that own pecan farms down in Mexico. And so they spend around you know six months in Mexico with their pecan farms and then they have their businesses in in the U.S. Well, this one family was traveling, had a car accident, and the mom broke her legs and was in the hospital for a couple of weeks, like getting fixed and her surgeries and whatnot. And she was nursing a nine-month-old baby.
00:49:05
Chimene
Her community took her baby and the nursing mothers all spent time with the baby nursing until she got out of the hospital.
00:49:13
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:49:15
Chimene
and Maybe she was in the hospital a month. It seemed like a very long time. But the whole community kept that baby alive, kept her on the breast kept the baby on the breast. The baby never got a bottle.
00:49:25
Chimene
And when the mom was out of the hospital, the community gave the baby back to the mama.
00:49:29
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:49:30
Chimene
I, that, that story was beautiful and it just happened a couple of years ago.
00:49:30
Christian Yordanov
That's amazing. Yeah.
00:49:33
Chimene
So there are communities that are rallying around each other and are helping and supporting the natural way of life.
00:49:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:49:44
Chimene
And it, and it, and,
00:49:44
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, and that's that's the other thing. i think all of these like flu shots and all the the sort of antibiotics and things like that that women are given, just in general, like young women giving birth today, they're generally, ah you know, i I'll say on average, maybe there's, of course, there's exceptions, plus minus, but on average, they're a lot less healthy than their moms and, of course, their grandmothers.
00:50:06
Christian Yordanov
So I think a lot of the breastfeeding problems They're stemming from malnutrition, stress, hormonal imbalances. So if you look if you go to like a more natural practice, and i've help I've helped, you know, quite a few women either prepare for pregnancy, recover from pregnancy.
00:50:06
Chimene
Oh.
00:50:22
Christian Yordanov
So I know what, and of course my wife, you know, we went through that like at a very intimate level.
00:50:25
Chimene
Yes.
00:50:26
Christian Yordanov
So i know what like, Like there's a lot of remedies um to help, you know, just whether that's if you want to speed up the, the you know, we improve the birthing process, the recovery process, simulate breast milk production.
00:50:35
Chimene
No introduction.
00:50:42
Chimene
Oh, yes.
00:50:44
Christian Yordanov
i mean, there's so many like natural remedies we can use that they want us completely... ah divorced from those and at the same time dependent on their synthetic shite basically it's we're not ah yeah and we're not gonna stand for it
00:50:52
Chimene
And ignorant.
00:50:56
Chimene
Yes, they want us they want us dependent and ignorant. They they try to... no, no, and and no, no. And
Achieving Tax Freedom and State Citizenship
00:51:08
Chimene
there are communities out there. People are waking up.
00:51:11
Chimene
People are ascending in their thought process. They're understanding. They're realizing. you know They're realizing what is making them sick. and And they're moving towards better health. I have found so many new healthily-minded or health-minded communities that want to eat healthily and have a ah healthy ah healthy lifestyle.
00:51:34
Chimene
And I'm so thankful for that. um I was accused of child abuse.
00:51:37
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:51:40
Chimene
because I didn't vaccinate my kids. I mean, literally, they I was a child abuser. And a and I'm just looking at them like, um you're injecting chemicals into your baby's bloodstream.
00:51:47
Christian Yordanov
Mm.
00:51:53
Chimene
You're injecting the diseases. How am honey
00:51:56
Christian Yordanov
Literal aluminum.
00:51:58
Chimene
Yeah, aluminum, that the marisol, everything.
00:51:58
Christian Yordanov
Literal aluminum. Yeah.
00:52:04
Christian Yordanov
Mm.
00:52:04
Chimene
the heavy metals. And, you know, they put the glycospate or the Roundup in the vaccines because they don't want it to grow mold and plant.
00:52:14
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:52:15
Chimene
I mean, that's just so gross. Like how nasty it are those things?
00:52:19
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:19
Chimene
And, but they, they think they're healthy. Oh, back to that story. A friend of mine, you know, she was like, ew, when are you going to,
00:52:30
Chimene
when are you going to quit breastfeeding? And I said, I don't know, whenever I decide. And she was like, well, everybody knows vaccines replace the nutrition of breast milk after six months.
00:52:41
Christian Yordanov
Oh.
00:52:42
Chimene
And I was like, okay, I don't think I can be your friend.
00:52:43
Christian Yordanov
That's...
00:52:47
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah i think sometimes you yeah that that doesn't even compute i think sometimes you know like and you know how i i look at it nowadays like sometimes let's say i'm on my whatever channels i get like a ah comment from someone that's completely deranged like maybe accusing me accusing me that i am on the illuminati's payroll and i'm telling people to eat more carbohydrates so that they can sleep better and they're their libido has a chance of recovering and their stress is You mean?
00:52:47
Chimene
Like, I was like,
00:52:53
Chimene
but I'm like,
00:53:03
Chimene
Right.
00:53:16
Christian Yordanov
Like just the most stupid stuff, right? but So when I see comments like that, when ah when I hear people say just the most, just really does not compute statements, to me, I no longer allow it to irritate me.
00:53:29
Christian Yordanov
I'm like, it's like, imagine you, either let's say you you're out on the street and you meet a drunk person or someone that is clearly insane, like a you know like away with a fairies type person.
00:53:29
Chimene
right
00:53:37
Christian Yordanov
Well, you're not going to take that too personally. So I wouldn't in these situations anymore.
00:53:42
Chimene
No.
00:53:43
Christian Yordanov
I don't take these things personally. I'm like, you know what? We simply do not align with our views and values. Therefore, I never need to speak to you again.
00:53:51
Chimene
Yeah. Yeah, delete.
00:53:53
Christian Yordanov
Take care and all the best. take care Take care and all the best.
00:53:55
Chimene
You're deleted.
00:53:56
Christian Yordanov
And and in many cases, I think ah wishing these people good luck is also a good idea because if you trust the government and big pharma with your health, you are screwed with a capital F.
00:54:02
Chimene
Oh, of course.
00:54:07
Christian Yordanov
That's it.
00:54:08
Chimene
Yeah, you're screwed with a capital F. I mean. it it is and and the And the hamster wheel, if they go down, it's like they're just getting sicker and sicker and piling on more meds, piling on more meds, chasing chasing more doctors, chasing more doctors.
00:54:23
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:54:24
Chimene
It's it's beens a wild, wild, wild business. and and they've And they've got us cornered.
00:54:28
Christian Yordanov
So I'm curious, she meant... Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, the this is thought dependency since we were babies. I remember... I don't know if this was vaccine-related. I had a few vaccines i as I was growing up, you know, that I remember.
00:54:44
Christian Yordanov
um But I remember... And i shared I think I shared the story at my workshop at Anarcapulco somewhere. I hadn't talked about this before. But it it kind of I remembered it recently. So I had this... um phase in my life.
00:54:58
Christian Yordanov
I was maybe, I don't know, seven, eight, I don't remember. But I got these like spots, like like almost like chickenpox, but it's just like i had a lot of malaise, a lot of fatigue, and I was not, you know was like a normal healthy child.
00:55:09
Chimene
Yeah.
00:55:11
Christian Yordanov
um So in now in hindsight, I'm like, could that have been actually been a vaccine injury? So my mother was taking me to all these doctors, all kinds of specialists, as much as you know Bulgaria post-communism had.
00:55:17
Chimene
yeah
00:55:24
Christian Yordanov
um And we had no success. She was like at her wits' end. And then finally, she took me to some lady that apparently like it was more nutrition-focused.
00:55:35
Christian Yordanov
keep in mind, back in the day, like My parents and and especially my grandparents, they couldn't name like five vitamins and minerals. what mean? Like that's how ignorant people generally were in in pre-internet, you know, all that stuff.
00:55:44
Chimene
Yeah, right. Yeah.
00:55:48
Christian Yordanov
But anyway, so that woman, that that lady, that doctor, um she just told my mother, just give him potatoes. And keep in mind that a lot of those potatoes were just like the way I love them. My favorite was cooked in sunflower oil. So it wasn't even like optimal. But that eating just potatoes, I don't know for how long it was. i was actually enjoying all the the French fries that i was eating. That actually allowed that to heal.
00:56:14
Christian Yordanov
it it It did the trick. um But it just...
00:56:18
Chimene
Potatoes have a lot of minerals in them.
00:56:20
Christian Yordanov
Well, yeah, yeah.
00:56:21
Chimene
Potatoes are very dense.
00:56:21
Christian Yordanov
So yeah, yeah, of course, of course. But also I think just the elimination diet of whatever was triggering my immune system, that that probably helped.
00:56:23
Chimene
Mm-hmm.
00:56:28
Christian Yordanov
And of course, seed oils are immunosuppressive, so that could have helped in a not so good way. But the point is that even then, like she was at her wits end, didn't know what to do with her child.
00:56:41
Christian Yordanov
And she was just going from doctor to doctor to doctor And she would have done anything that those doctors say.
00:56:47
Chimene
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:56:49
Christian Yordanov
Now, where do most people, most parents go now? They go to the, you know, quote unquote, conventional um medical establishment. And what do what are those doctors tooled up with?
00:57:00
Christian Yordanov
Well, they're cortisol mimicking chemicals, right? So hydrocortisone, that's literally cortisol mimicking chemicals that suppress the immune system. Antibiotics that, you know, a lot of the time they're not needed.
00:57:11
Christian Yordanov
And then just like Tylenol is suppressive of of symptoms. So drug drugs that suppress the symptoms while the underlying cause ah or issue festers. So those are like the main tools these people have.
00:57:23
Chimene
Festers.
00:57:23
Christian Yordanov
So that, yeah.
00:57:24
Chimene
That's a good word. It just festers and grows.
00:57:27
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:27
Chimene
like you know You're plugging up.
00:57:27
Christian Yordanov
So like those are the tools they have. those And those are the options the parents think they have. They don't know about many, many people don't know about these other options. Not the listeners to this podcast, not your friends, of course, but like the huge tens, 20 hundreds of millions of of normal people, you know.
00:57:41
Chimene
Yes.
00:57:44
Christian Yordanov
So that's like, And this is, again, from a very early age. This is, you we're taught, this is it. That's your options. we We will manage your symptoms. That's the best, that the peak, the pinnacle of science and medicine has is to manage your symptoms until you die.
00:57:59
Chimene
The pinnacle.
00:58:02
Christian Yordanov
And that's it.
00:58:02
Chimene
Yeah, just manage. what No, that's no life. Right now, I mean, i think back how I felt in my 20s when I was, you know, compounded with all of medications and travel vaccines and, you know, I'm i'm having to work 80 hours a week.
00:58:18
Chimene
And so then you take the antibiotics to get over the whatever really quick.
00:58:18
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:58:23
Chimene
I mean, I was i was flying blindly too. I was one. That was I.
00:58:27
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
00:58:28
Chimene
It seemed, you know, and i got out of it. You can. You can get out of it. You can learn to trust your body. It can be scary. I think that they don't have enough knowledge and they don't trust their body and they and they trust what other people say.
00:58:42
Christian Yordanov
yeah. yeah
00:58:43
Chimene
But but let me tell you, i didn't talk about D-Lens injury to anyone. i I mentioned to a few people, yeah, the vaccines put us in the hospital. Oh, that and, that.
00:58:57
Chimene
Please, that, oh, come on. you You're just trying to blame something. Your baby's just sick.
00:59:03
Christian Yordanov
You're not taking responsibility.
00:59:04
Chimene
And, you know, you're, yes, I was slandered.
00:59:06
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:59:09
Chimene
You know, we were we were told we were abusing the kids. um They told I was labeled crazy, batshit nuts, shit. It really, it's it's hard. And I can see where people, even if they try to start on that path, how they get very easily derailed.
00:59:28
Chimene
Because birds of a feather flock together.
00:59:28
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:59:30
Chimene
Like, you know, um misery loves company. Someone doesn't want to see you trying to get healthier.
00:59:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
00:59:36
Chimene
They almost want you to be in the same state they are.
00:59:37
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
00:59:39
Chimene
It's like they won't support you because they don't understand it.
00:59:40
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:44
Chimene
and they but they They almost don't even want that for you. Like they don't want to see you bloom and thrive in a weird way.
00:59:50
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:59:50
Chimene
So i there was a lot of the delete buttons going on with people that I knew to to my faith.
00:59:51
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:59:57
Chimene
And um we we were railroaded as a family. Some family members came to us in 2016 and said that we needed to provide proof of the cd We need to deprive provide proof that our children are vaccinated as per the CDC schedule and that they have all their updates.
01:00:19
Chimene
Because if they get polio and die, we'll be disinherited and they will never talk to us again. And I'm like, this is in 2016, 16 years later after I've been doing this. And i mean, my kids are the epitome of health.
01:00:32
Chimene
They're perfectly, yeah ah you know, they have muscles and they're strong and and they're smart.
01:00:32
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:38
Chimene
my my um My middle son, you know, he graduated with all kinds of honors. He's got a scholarship at at the university. I mean, nobody, none of my kids' brains were damaged from not taking vaccines.
01:00:51
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:00:55
Chimene
I mean, the whole consensus was I was damaging my children. that's what That's what they presented to me. And so, you know what, like you said, delete, sorry. it
01:01:08
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:01:09
Chimene
Oh, you can't know me anymore.
01:01:09
Christian Yordanov
Oh, I must have pressed the block button.
01:01:10
Chimene
Bye.
01:01:12
Christian Yordanov
I must have sat on the phone and the block button got pressed by my ass as I sat on my phone by mistake in the car.
01:01:12
Chimene
Exactly.
01:01:18
Chimene
yeah
01:01:19
Christian Yordanov
Sorry.
01:01:19
Chimene
exactly Yes. And so between 2016 and 2019, boy, did I get rid of about 20 people in my life.
01:01:22
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:01:28
Chimene
Like I just off with them. I just, I just, you know what? I just moved to another dimension. It's crazy.
01:01:35
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:01:35
Chimene
I never, i never, I never run into them at the grocery store. I just decided I live, I live on a different plane than they do.
01:01:40
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:01:43
Chimene
And they can't enter my world because they were constantly trying to derail it. They were constantly telling me I was doing wrong.
01:01:49
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:01:51
Chimene
They were constantly telling me I was a bad mom because, you know, I didn't give them Tylenol when they had fever. Oh, this is a good story about um ingredients.
01:02:02
Chimene
this is this is my This is the moment where not only I knew I was correct,
01:02:02
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
01:02:10
Chimene
ah it was such an aha moment because it was a scientific study that was performed right before my eyes. The kids, I think it was six boys total. I don't think it was seven. Six boys total were invited to a birthday sleepover.
01:02:29
Chimene
So, and very good friends of my son, still a very good friend of my son. So I take my son to the birthday sleepover and I go in the front door and it's red, everything is red. The the the decorations are red. It was like red theme party. I want to say it's like Avengers or something, you know, the red guy, whatever his hero was, was red.
01:02:51
Chimene
So they had red hot Cheetos, red Doritos, red Twizzlers, red candies, red icing on the birthday cake. The pizza was like red. You know, the pizza was from the the store down the street where, you know, they use all of the dye ingredients and the Nassau pizza.
01:03:08
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:03:10
Chimene
Like, oh, the red hot dogs, like the reddest hot dogs you can find.
01:03:10
Christian Yordanov
Gross.
01:03:13
Christian Yordanov
Gross.
01:03:14
Chimene
you know And i was i was like, oh, my. ah And I really I'm like, I'm going to take my kid and run. This isn't going to end well. a Oh, my God. And I'm like, Dylan, don't eat that. But, of course, they're at the birthday party and he's spending the night. So he's eating it Well, this was Saturday night. By Sunday night, all the boys have fever.
01:03:38
Chimene
All of them. Zealand has a fever and the and the other five boys have fever. So what did I do? Get them in the bath, get them out of the bath. I wrapped them up in blankets, gave them herbal tea, honey.
01:03:51
Chimene
um And I put a bunch of skins like we have the lamb skins. So I put all these lambskins on him and he's and he he's sweating it out.
01:03:57
Christian Yordanov
nice.
01:04:01
Chimene
I'm like, I call it hot box. And I'm, I'm put him in a little hot box and I'm just letting him sweat it out. Well, he didn't go to school Monday. He didn't go to school Tuesday.
01:04:12
Chimene
He went to school on Wednesday and all the other moms, literally every single mom called and said, I heard Zealand's at school. What, what did you give him?
01:04:24
Chimene
And I'm like,
01:04:24
Christian Yordanov
What kind of Tylenol extra strength did you give him?
01:04:27
Chimene
what what What clinic did you go to? We're going to go to your doctor. And I'm like, I didn't. I i made i i made i left this fever burning. I said, I left this fever on. And they're like, no.
01:04:39
Chimene
No, no. We need to know what you're giving him. Like, what what pill are you giving him? where We need your medication. And I'm like, tea.
01:04:45
Christian Yordanov
Pharmaceuticals, please.
01:04:47
Chimene
Tea. Tea. Tea and, you know, rest in a bath and burn. Burn them up. I said, just put covers on and burn them up. ah That's child abuse.
01:04:58
Chimene
I mean, they were like, they were flabbergasted.
01:04:59
Christian Yordanov
You monster.
01:05:01
Chimene
We're not going to do that.
01:05:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:05:02
Chimene
Every single one of those families took their kids and they gave them Tamiflu.
01:05:07
Christian Yordanov
Oh.
01:05:08
Chimene
They gave them Tamiflu and those poor boys those poor boys were out for two solid weeks.
01:05:09
Christian Yordanov
Disgusting.
01:05:12
Chimene
I mean, not one of them went and went to school in one week and I'm sure they didn't get into school until well into the next week.
01:05:13
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
01:05:20
Chimene
And my kids up and running in two days because I detoxed them.
01:05:21
Christian Yordanov
And. Yeah.
01:05:24
Chimene
I knew exactly what was happening.
01:05:26
Christian Yordanov
And that's exactly this is exactly the whole sort of thing around... This is the this goes deeper, and obviously we don't have time to go so deep, but the whole thing about like the vaccines is when people realize that these alleged viruses that you're vaccinating your child for...
01:05:47
Christian Yordanov
don't actually, like there's no real evidence that they freaking exist.
01:05:50
Chimene
No. Oh.
01:05:51
Christian Yordanov
And there's like, oh, so what are you vaccinated for? So like the the thing about fever that a lot of, I mean, ah listeners here would know this, but a lot of folks don't, like we are just giving an example. So we went to to Cairo, Egypt to see the pyramids in January.
01:06:05
Christian Yordanov
And I told my wife, listen, like, because we went there, it was horrifically polluted. Like, you cannot imagine. Until you see that and you smell it, you cannot imagine how horrifically polluted that place is.
01:06:17
Christian Yordanov
But anyway, so I told my wife a couple of days in. Because on the, the not the the, we flew in the evening, but then the next day, by the early afternoon, my nose was running all day.
01:06:28
Christian Yordanov
And I was like constantly, because that's a detox ah pathway.
01:06:32
Chimene
Yeah, you're getting it out.
01:06:32
Christian Yordanov
So I told my wife, told her,
01:06:34
Chimene
You're releasing it.
01:06:34
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, So I told my wife, listen, just let me just warn you right now. If you or our kiddo or any of us starts getting cold ah symptoms stuff, we didn't catch anything. It's a detox reaction.
01:06:52
Christian Yordanov
Relax. just and And she kind of knows this stuff, but I have to remind her because, you know, the the mama bear instinct kicks in you when your child has fever.
01:06:56
Chimene
Yeah. yeah
01:06:59
Christian Yordanov
You're like, I got to do something. that You got to do nothing.
01:07:01
Chimene
Yeah.
01:07:01
Christian Yordanov
You just gotta make sure that it's safe and has fluids and and is eating and stuff, whatever. But I told her, look, it's very likely we're going to have a detox sort of process, whether it's now, whether it's delayed when we come home.
01:07:13
Christian Yordanov
And we did. Like, I think they they had theirs a little bit after um we came back. uh i was having it throughout the entire time at one point i was like had blood in my every time i was like kind of blowing my nose had blood it's it's i'd rather have it that way than it being stored in the body and expressing later on you know but whatever but it's just it's that that's when people understand like the fever is the you know the water in the body and the cells becoming less viscous more fluid so that stuff can get out faster and yeah when
01:07:43
Chimene
flow you can flow
01:07:45
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, exactly. So when you realize that, then the fever, not that like you don't want it to be like mega high and for like hours and hours at a time, but like you have like you have to just allow it to happen a little bit.
01:07:57
Christian Yordanov
you know If it gets really high and stuff like that, there's always like, you can manage it, keep it a little bit low if you need to.
01:07:58
Chimene
yes
01:08:03
Christian Yordanov
But there's still like things like yarrow root and like things that have similar sort of effects that, that you know let's say ibuprofen and paracetamol will have. but Paracetamol is like a basically liver poison.
01:08:16
Christian Yordanov
So you just have to choose less um heavy tools for the job, especially with a little kid.
01:08:16
Chimene
Yeah.
01:08:23
Chimene
Yes. Yes. and and And I just honor the exit strategy. When you have a fever and your your nose starts running and your lungs start producing and you start sweating, that's
01:08:30
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:08:37
Chimene
tap the exit strategy for your body.
01:08:40
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:08:40
Chimene
I mean, it's it's it's getting rid of it.
01:08:40
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. yeah
01:08:42
Chimene
And then you can't take something to plug it up. And then you create a traffic jam. And then that's where the organisms, you know, the bacteria come in.
01:08:46
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:08:50
Chimene
Because, you know, someone who, let's say, has ah has a cold, and then they keep on trying to dry up their cold instead of letting it letting it produce, you're not going to dry it up way down the bottom of your lungs. It's going to pull. You're just backing it up. You're just not allowing it to expel. And then what happens? The little bacteria are like, oh, we need to go clean this up. And they're going to go and start eating it and multiply and divide. You're you're providing the perfect environment for secondary infection.
01:09:17
Chimene
And then the virus situation, wow, what isn't that something else?
01:09:17
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
01:09:21
Chimene
um
01:09:22
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:09:23
Chimene
We've been just told a big bunch of hooey. Now, our body does something, but it's not what it tell what they tell us it does.
01:09:26
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
01:09:29
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
01:09:31
Chimene
And viruses don't fall out of our bodies and then we pick them up and and they, it you know, try to attack us.
01:09:31
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah
01:09:40
Chimene
If anything, the virus that they claim, if anything... It's an Uber driver for ourselves to be released. Like in my mind, I think of a, but like, they're like, oh, I have a virus. Oh, good. Your Uber drivers are working. you The virus goes in, attach, this is theoretically, you know, um you try to, you know, you try to do layman terms with people because no matter what it is, we've been lied to how it behaves.
01:10:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:05
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah
01:10:10
Chimene
Like there's something out there.
01:10:10
Christian Yordanov
yeah.
01:10:11
Chimene
It's just that we've, We've been lied to how our body is behaving. So in my mind, when they say a virus, oh, well, it's just an Uber driver to take all of your dead and decaying cells out of your body in the form of mucus and sweat and you know bodily fluids, period.
01:10:31
Chimene
It's not going to fall on a table and and attack you. That is re ridiculous.
01:10:35
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, and and let's see a picture of like a real one that's not a freaking like drawing, like a cartoon.
01:10:40
Chimene
A cartoon.
01:10:41
Christian Yordanov
Let's just see a real one, guys.
01:10:41
Chimene
A cartoon.
01:10:43
Christian Yordanov
Just one.
01:10:43
Chimene
Yeah.
01:10:43
Christian Yordanov
One would be nice. you know like I'm sure like these electron mic microscopes, like like they gotta be able to do something.
01:10:46
Chimene
Yeah.
01:10:52
Christian Yordanov
Let's see something.
01:10:52
Chimene
If we can see Saturn, why can't we see a, ah you know, we if they tell us we can see Saturn, then why can't we see a virus? Oh, well, it's because it's a made up.
01:10:59
Christian Yordanov
I mean, we can i mean we can we can pretend to go to the moon, but we yet we can't see a freaking real virus.
01:11:06
Chimene
Yeah.
01:11:07
Christian Yordanov
You know? Come on, guys. You got to do better with the psyops, please.
01:11:12
Chimene
I know. They're so bad. Those sign-outs are so bad. And like, oh, it's just embarrassing. It's embarrassing.
01:11:20
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. i Yeah.
01:11:20
Chimene
Just give us the real deal. And, you know there's a there's a fund out there. In 2019, it was up to maybe a million dollars or two and still growing.
01:11:32
Chimene
I need to find it. um therere they're Because i
01:11:35
Christian Yordanov
Was it like some streptococcus or or so some that someone was saying, find me this virus, ah like evidence that exists and you get this prize, I think.
01:11:42
Chimene
Yes. Yes. prove Yes. Prove the virus exists and you win the jackpot. And people keep I've donated.
01:11:48
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:49
Chimene
to it I donated to that jackpot. And so, er yeah, it and i and I've lost it.
01:11:52
Christian Yordanov
I heard about that, yeah.
01:11:55
Chimene
You know how everything flies through your phone and who knows where to find it now.
01:11:58
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:11:59
Chimene
But I'm sure if we really search, we can find it. And I guarantee the jackpot hasn't been won because my community wouldn't.
01:12:04
Christian Yordanov
of course of course yeah
01:12:05
Chimene
our community would have let us know, right? So there really is no hardcore proof. It's only what the pharmaceutical, you know, oligarchs have told us what it is.
01:12:18
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah yeah exactly
01:12:19
Chimene
They've never proved to us. Hey, do you know that Christine Massey out of Canada and how she wrote to like over, I think she wrote to 219 countries and asked for proof of the of the COVID virus?
01:12:34
Christian Yordanov
I heard about that.
01:12:35
Chimene
Yeah, she did that. And and ill i so I'll find it and send it to you.
01:12:39
Christian Yordanov
ah Yeah, I don't remember that name, but I know someone was doing that and basically they had nothing.
01:12:40
Chimene
Yeah.
01:12:44
Christian Yordanov
And that's the thing, they had nothing.
01:12:45
Chimene
Nothing.
01:12:45
Christian Yordanov
And that's why just a quick, I think I've said this before on the podcast, but I was at the vet, I think a year or two ago, just to get a cone because my dog scratched her eye and I didn't want her to you know keep scratching it.
01:12:46
Chimene
But like.
01:12:58
Christian Yordanov
And in hindsight, I should have just fashioned the cone out of a cardboard box because I went there and the the dude, he looked at her little doggy passport and his eyes went like like um Mr.
01:13:02
Chimene
yes
01:13:09
Christian Yordanov
Scrooge with the the dollar signs. Cha-ching! She's really behind on her vaccines.
01:13:12
Chimene
Yeah.
01:13:14
Christian Yordanov
So he was like the whole time, dude, I came for my dog's eye. I need the cone. And he's like, oh, you got to come back for those vaccines. I'm like, okay, I will. But like my strategy would now in hindsight be like, I would be happy to oblige as long as you show me the research where these viruses that you you want to vaccinate my dog for have been identified. And then, of course, the safety profile of the vaccines. and And, you know, I want data and I bet you he'd be like, you know what?
01:13:47
Christian Yordanov
this This battle isn't worth fighting. You just you just go. I'm not going to belabor the point with you because he ain't going to be able to find it Simple as.
01:13:55
Chimene
No, he can't. Well, the next, we only had two pediatricians, the one that killed, almost killed my baby. And then the one that spits saved our lives because he was totally on board with our lifestyle.
01:14:08
Chimene
So when we were, threatened by the family that if our kids caught a communicable, preventable disease, we were going to be, you know, excommunicated from the family.
01:14:22
Chimene
My husband was very perturbed. I mean, he was torn. He had not done, he had not seen all the research I had seen. He was just going along with whatever I felt was correct.
01:14:32
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:34
Chimene
And so he said, well, I, let's go talk to the doctor. And I'm, I would never name names um of anybody, but ah he's already retired, but it, so it doesn't matter.
01:14:45
Chimene
But he said, well, let's, I want to go meet the doctor.
01:14:45
Christian Yordanov
Okay.
01:14:47
Chimene
I have some questions for the doctor. And I'd been with this doctor for you know, what, 14 years or so up until that point.
01:14:58
Chimene
And, He was always very open and you know he was like, do you know I have to ask, do you want to vaccinate tonight? I'm like, what do you think?
01:15:08
Chimene
He was like, we'll say no. you know like And he was so calm and gentle and he gave us so much of his time. He answered all of my questions. And when my kids had a cold, because when they were little, when they were little bitty, I was still unsure.
01:15:18
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:15:22
Chimene
And I just wanted to make sure that, you know, sometimes you just have to double check, right? So I would take him to that doctor because he never pushed any medication. I would just go check to make sure of, you know, what I was doing was correct.
01:15:36
Chimene
Never once did he ever prescribe a vaccination. I mean, ah excuse me, an antibiotic. Like if my kids were, you know, having colds and like like um producing, he's like, oh, he said, they'll be the right they'll be okay in three days.
01:15:49
Chimene
not Okay, good. I'm doing the right thing. This is when they were a little bitty. Like once they got older, we probably didn't see him, you know, for eight or 10 years, except I did take him to the well checks so I could keep and maintain
01:15:54
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah
01:16:04
Chimene
a rapport with the pediatrician just in case there was an accident, he would meet us at the hospital and I want that guy, right?
01:16:09
Christian Yordanov
of course of course you need someone yeah of course yeah
01:16:11
Chimene
I i needed him. he He was on board with my lifestyle. So I was going to support him and and go to those well visits.
01:16:18
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:16:18
Chimene
Well, my husband went and said, I have questions. so So my husband had questions and we're like, all right, let's go. And my husband deadpanned. And my husband's a physical therapist, so he had on his scrub.
01:16:29
Chimene
So he looked very, you know, like in the medical field too.
01:16:31
Christian Yordanov
Wow Yeah
01:16:32
Chimene
And my husband said, what vaccine would you recommend to give my kids today? Which ones do you personally recommend?
01:16:43
Chimene
And he was like, none. None. Can you believe it? I got one of those pediatricians. So that's the joy.
01:16:51
Christian Yordanov
wow
01:16:52
Chimene
Like, like one almost killed my son and one is going to do everything he can to make sure my kids never go through that again, because he knew our story and he believed, he believed my story.
01:17:04
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:05
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:17:05
Chimene
He believed what happened to us.
01:17:06
Chimene
And so there are doctors out there that, will, that do understand and and more and more are coming on board. Now, I'll have to say a next family that he treated, he gave all the kids the vaccines and he also offered vaccines to the parents.
01:17:27
Chimene
And I said, well, you know, but then that's up to the parents to say no. If the parents would have said, you know what, I don't want him. He would have said, he would have probably not pushed, you know, because he said, look, are you guys up to date on your DTAP and your hep B?
01:17:42
Chimene
And the parents are like, well, no. And he's like, well, you need them, so come back. and they're like, well, okay. But if they would have said, you know, give me some, up like, do we really need it? ah You know, if they would have argued with them a little bit, he would have totally backed off.
01:17:53
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:17:55
Chimene
So I can't save Exactly.
01:17:56
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. He has to, he his his whole career or job is on the line if he, because if those parents say, yo, know this guy is like telling us, I should have second thoughts about this.
01:18:02
Chimene
Exactly.
01:18:09
Christian Yordanov
Imagine that goes goes goes out to like his, the hospital administrator or whatever, or the board that he's certified with.
01:18:12
Chimene
Exactly.
01:18:16
Christian Yordanov
So like you are in for like a lot of shame and then potentially losing your license. And then never mind the fact that you have a family, a car, blah, blah, blah, mortgage, and then student loan debt that you probably haven't paid off in many cases.
01:18:23
Chimene
Yes.
01:18:27
Chimene
Yep.
01:18:30
Christian Yordanov
So they are really, i and i in some ways, i i am like i I will not excuse the heinous things they're doing to the kids and the people in general on a mass scale. I will not excuse that.
01:18:41
Christian Yordanov
But I empathize at some level because they were like 18 year old, 20 year old, you know, starry eyed, naive. I'm going to help the world. And they probably 99 percent of those people wanted to help the world.
01:18:50
Chimene
nope
01:18:53
Christian Yordanov
But that system that puts you through the wringer, you know, eight plus years. It it will crush your spirit and and and and and that then you become a useful idiot in these the mafia's ah hands and they they they got you by the short and curlies then with all your student loan debt and all that.
01:19:01
Chimene
yeah exactly they do exactly
01:19:13
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:19:14
Chimene
so You know, one one family's experience was very different, but but I really don't feel like he harassed them or pushed them. He just asked them and said, you know, you need it. You're up to date. but But I guess the folks that had knowledge and because a lot of the midwives in the area would, you know, that was their pediatrician.
01:19:31
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
01:19:37
Chimene
The folks that had knowledge, he 100% understood us and respected the knowledge that we brought to the table and respected our decision.
01:19:45
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:19:46
Chimene
So at at a minimum, that's what he did for many families and and our families.
01:19:52
Christian Yordanov
But again, ah again it's its its again so goes back to the whole thing. and i was interviewing Christopher Gronsky, he was at the conference as well yesterday. he Multiple times he said, look, you at the end of the day, you or us, I must take responsibility for myself, my health, my family's health, all that.
01:20:12
Christian Yordanov
Unless we stop ceding our responsibility to authority,
01:20:12
Chimene
no
01:20:18
Christian Yordanov
things may not we may not get lucky in the the way the current environment is the way these systems are set up unless you take responsibility for yourself you may get you know the the short end of the stick as it were yeah
01:20:34
Chimene
and And boy, did we get that short end. But we planted the tree and grew it.
01:20:40
Christian Yordanov
That's it. You you you made, you you know, when when life gives you lemons, you make some tequila and then you, you you know, you do some tequila shots, right?
01:20:48
Chimene
Yeah, exactly.
01:20:49
Christian Yordanov
ah I want to thank you, Shiman.
01:20:50
Chimene
ah
01:20:51
Christian Yordanov
I want to thank you so much for coming on and sharing and being, you know, just opening up and sharing the story because it's clearly, it's such a sensitive area. So many, so many parents live in shame ah because they blame themselves and like, it's it's a horrible thing, but I'm so happy that you you found healing and you found the right people to support you and and like your entire trajectory of your family's life and your kids future like you know family's lives was changed for the better so it's such a beautiful story and I really really thank you for coming on and sharing it with us
01:21:19
Chimene
Oh, yes. So much for the better. and And parents need to understand that they have to forgive themselves for what they didn't know before they knew it.
01:21:28
Christian Yordanov
yes yes
01:21:29
Chimene
Because the guilt can kill a thousand elephants. i I went to bed crying for 20 years. I mean, I just, it's only been the last few years where I didn't relive that before I went to bed.
01:21:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:21:43
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:21:43
Chimene
Yeah.
01:21:44
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. It's heartbreaking.
01:21:45
Chimene
so So I can't imagine some of the other parents out there and and and what the journey that they have ahead of them.
01:21:46
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:21:48
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:21:52
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:21:52
Chimene
and And it's such a, um it's such a, and it's heartbreaking.
01:21:54
Christian Yordanov
it's heartbreaking yeah yeah yeah
01:21:57
Chimene
but But there are good stories. And listen, you can reverse those damages. You've just got to detox.
01:22:05
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, exactly.
01:22:05
Chimene
You've just got to detox in and eat correctly.
01:22:06
Christian Yordanov
Exactly. Exactly. So important. Well, again, thank you, Shiman, so much for coming on.
01:22:13
Chimene
Thank you.
01:22:13
Christian Yordanov
And this was this was such a great conversation.
01:22:14
Chimene
Thank you. It was an honor, and it was the best cab ride I ever had, meeting you and and getting invited.
01:22:19
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
01:22:20
Chimene
So thank you so much.
01:22:20
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. And I love what you guys are doing at Lalu. It's absolutely amazing work. So thank you for what you do.
01:22:25
Chimene
Oh, yes, La Luce. Yes, very much so.
01:22:28
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:22:28
Chimene
All right.
01:22:29
Christian Yordanov
Thank you.
01:22:31
Chimene
Thanks.