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HUGE Drama in the Longevity Space (Jeffrey Epstein and Peter Attia, MD)
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Discussing Peter Attia, MD, and his relationship to Jeffrey Epstein, and how it could explain his stance on promoting statins, seed oils as harmless, and other untested and potentially dangerous interventions.
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Introduction to Peter Atiyah and Epstein Connection
00:00:01
Speaker
Okay so a couple of days ago a big dump of Epstein files was dropped and as it turns out one of Epstein's doctors was Dr. Peter Atiyah which You may not know who he is, but a lot he in terms of the longevity and sort of health space, he's one of the top of the food chain people there. He's one of the most famous kind of longevity doctors. And what it turns out actually is like, so this happened on Saturday. i saw it kind of in the late afternoon and I i went down a rabbit hole and looked at...
00:00:38
Speaker
some of those email conversations that were in the on the you know Department of Justice website, just to confirm for myself you know that these documents exist and it wasn't like fake stuff going around. ah So there was over 1,700 documents, but a lot of actually a lot of it is duplicates. So it's a very frustrating experience actually going through all those documents that don't make it easy for you to search, which I'm sure is intentional, stuff is redacted.
00:01:04
Speaker
So a lot of people on X are doing the good work of kind of extracting some of the stuff and kind of putting together a little bit more of a coherent picture of some of these conversations between Epstein and
Public Reaction and Criticism of Atiyah
00:01:18
Speaker
and Dr. Peter Ortega. And at first, like my first instinct was, i want to you know post something about my thoughts about this, but it wasn't necessarily to to smear him and just kind of focus on this Epstein thing, which obviously is huge and shocking to many people in the health space, especially his followers and stuff. but
00:01:44
Speaker
what i noticed as i kind of started looking on x as soon as the the news dropped or the kind of this dropped on on x in the next hour or two a bunch of doctors with uh 10 000 plus followers they started like going hard on him like disgusting revoke his license you know it's like and saying like outright calling him you know you know, bad stuff, you know, without any actual evidence of him having done any bad stuff yet, you know at least yet, you know, which i was like, man, that's like really, really, ah the shark smelling the water and immediately kind of did, because, you know, he's the top of the food chain and all these people are under, they, it it seems like they would just were waiting for an opportunity to kind of smear him and,
00:02:36
Speaker
ah take him down, you know, because that, that, that allows, you know, that's that's how the way these power games kind of work, you know, like everyone is always trying to you know, inch up a little bit on the social ladder and whatnot. And they find putting others down, you know, helpful. But I didn't, I i was like, that's kind of, that's kind of gross, you know, very, very kind very very kind of quick to do it. I was like, I don't want to do that. But what here's the thing, the reason I'm recording this, I guess two days later, less than 48 hours later, is I kind of thought a little bit about it.
Critique of Atiyah's Work and Health Advice
00:03:16
Speaker
What exactly do I want to say? Because i don't, again, I don't want this to be about the actual, specific and I will cover in case you you don't have time to research it, I will cover some of what was said between the two, just for your information.
00:03:30
Speaker
But again, i i want what i the reason I wanted to do this is because over the last, I guess, month and a half, maybe two months, I've been meaning to do a review, a kind of a critique of his longevity book, Peter Ortiz, a longevity book, which is called Outlive.
00:03:46
Speaker
I'm sure you may have heard of it. And I wanted to just kind of talk about how bad the actual practical advice in the book is. So the book is obviously it took a long time, a lot of effort, a lot of people were involved. So it's well written, it's well edited.
00:04:02
Speaker
ah In terms of that side of things, quality wise, that way it's good. In terms of like the stories around how we discovered certain things like, you know, insulin and the cancer research going on and how like some of the medical history and and some of the science history.
00:04:19
Speaker
The stories are good, but unfortunately, that's kind of the way ah publishers want books to be written. You want a lot of kind of flowery bullshit stories, a lot of kind of like case studies and stuff, but like with an emotional connection and I get that part, you know, people connect with story. The problem with the book is beyond that, it's just him kind of in a pretty narcissistic fashion patting himself on the back with kind of an air of humility that's pretty easy to see through, you know, for many people. And I always used to give the guy the benefit of the doubt because he's Canadian. and you know, Canadians, like, they they're nice people and, you know, they're not like, you know, other than a few bad apples, like...
00:05:05
Speaker
Justin Trudeau and whatnot. yeah know Canadians are good good people. So I would always kind of give him the benefit of the doubt. He's just a brainwashed doctor. that That's why he's pushing the drugs, the statins, the PCSK9 inhibitors, and the COVID vax. He just doesn't know better because most doctors have been so badly brainwashed through their pharma-sponsored medical training, you know.
00:05:31
Speaker
However... And I kind of wanted to critique the book because he's talking about Medicine 3.0, how this is so, but like his shit is so advanced, you know, and I think it costs 100 to 200,000 per year to get his concierge medical sort of care And we don't know what Epstein was paying him, maybe a hell of a lot more. Maybe that's why he chose to work with him, even though he knew.
00:05:58
Speaker
ah the The emails, I think, start around 2015 and onwards. So he knew the guy was convicted, Epstein was convicted in 2008. So he well knew what's going on, you know.
00:06:10
Speaker
But money money talks, you know, and everybody listens type thing. so But here's the thing, the book, and I will get back to this, I promise, I kind of i didn't jot down notes, but i know I know exactly the topics I want to cover here. ah But I will kind of switch back and forth. but So the my critique of the book would be, he's like all about medicine 3.0, this is the cutting edge. but When you look at it, how little actual advice he gives you, it's it's a laughable. And anybody that knows a thing or two about health knows that Peter Atiyah is a joke. And I'll tell you, just as as one example, i had a a client, a osteopath client in Australia, and we were talking with him, this was last year, we were talking with him and and Peter Atiyah's name came up
00:07:01
Speaker
And this guy, the first thing he said, oh man, Peter Rattier is a clown man, in a very cool Australian accent. So people that actually know stuff, they know this kind of mainstream medical doctors. A lot of them are just full of it. Like you hear these people. They sound intelligent. They sound educated. And then they're like, they give you all this research. And then they're like, oh, yeah, here's here's a video on one. i take two vaccine I get two vaccines every year. You know, this one, like literally this morning, I i watched the video. There's one doctor, I don't know, 300,000 subs on and YouTube. And he's like, oh, this research. And it's actually like, you know, good stuff and debunking bad supplements and whatever. And then, oh, here's why I get a COVID and a flu shot every year. or
00:07:41
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like, so but In his book, Atiyah's book, Outlive, which has sold more than 2 million copies, he has a million subs on YouTube, 500,000 on X, 1.7 on Instagram. So he's like mainstream. And back 8, 10, 12 years ago, he was talking about keto and low carb, and like the diet matters ah for health. And he was doing all the fasting stuff and talking about it and popularizing it. And then what has happened since is he went back on the fasting. He stopped doing the fasting because he lost a lot of muscle mass and his hormones, and his thyroid, his testosterone were tanked and whatever. So he's like, oh, this this is dumb. I'm going to stop doing it.
00:08:26
Speaker
He didn't kind of publicly announce it, but he did mention it here and there in the book and in in his shows and whatever else appearances he had, which was many.
00:08:37
Speaker
But so in the book, really, all he tells you is get on a statin if you need it which you probably will. type type Really, like just pushing the statins. ah The cholesterol causes heart disease, all this BS, right?
00:08:50
Speaker
And then he he's he says that, he in his opinion, exercise is the best longevity drug. I mean, like, how dumb is that Exercise is the best longevity drug? Seriously? Seriously?
00:09:06
Speaker
Seriously. you know So he talks a lot and like his stuff, prescriptions around exercise isn't too bad. you know like i mean it would for For many people, it would be it would be useful to kind of do some of the stuff around movement and injury prevention type stuff. That's that's totally fine.
00:09:26
Speaker
But to say that exercise is the most important thing and to gloss over diet, I think it's two or three chapters on diet and they're pathetic. They're just pathetic. Basically, he just tells you, make sure you're eating enough protein.
00:09:41
Speaker
And he just talks about protein. he has ah His opinion on online of seed oils is like, they're fine. And actually, I heard him on ah on a podcast over the last couple of days or on a YouTube video saying that he's insulted when he goes into a restaurant and on the menu they say that they don't use sea doors. And he's like publicly saying, get that off your menu because I'm insulted. Like what sort of a moron is this guy you're thinking, right? Right.
00:10:11
Speaker
So that that really grinds my gears because he also recently, as I was discuss i was downloading some videos of him talking about fasting, i want to put it into like a a presentation at some point and post it. But I found ah a recent, over the last month, a podcast episode with him and another guy called Lane Norton where they're talking about seed oils and ah they were supposed to have that the, um what's what's his name, but the Paul Saladino dude He's cool. He was supposed to be arguing the anti-C Doyle case against Lane Norton. He was supposed to be the the pro side. And then they were supposed to have a moderator or two, I think, that one of them pulled out.
00:10:56
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And then... So then Paul Saladino pulled out of the debate because it would have been him against Peter T and Lane Norton. And the problem there is it's two against one because we both are like not pro seed oils per se, but they're like, debunkers of this anti-seed oil propaganda right so they're like the you know the one's a phd one's an md like they're really smart they've seen the research and there's the research doesn't add up if anything they they're actually beneficial they say in some sometimes based on some of the research so really just pathetic
00:11:32
Speaker
Like if you're like out there pushing, see those as good or neutral, like it's pathetic. And anyone with a li that knows even a thing or two about health can see see through this bullshit. The problem is a lot of people don't know anything about health. They gravitate towards these mainstream people with hundreds of thousands to a million you know followers type stuff. And then they get misinformed and then they get harmed in the long term.
00:11:59
Speaker
yeah And of course, they're going to get good information with it. But they're on these huge, huge aspects. They're getting horribly misinformed. So that's where I have a bone to pick but with this guy, you know, because the the the problem there and the reason... The other problem there is also him, Atiyah and Layton Norton, it turns out they're investors in this thing called David protein or David bars.
Financial Ties and Objectivity Concerns
00:12:27
Speaker
These are basically protein bars that they use a kind of a fat in there that's apparently a derivative of cano some fat from canola oil.
00:12:38
Speaker
And apparently it's a kind of some kind of fat that it it doesn't get absorbed due to its structure. So, you know, you you could get the taste and the texture nice in the in the protein bar without the actual added calories of the fat because it doesn't get absorbed. And apparently some people were getting like, i don't know, anal leakage or whatever, or diarrhea from it. So not everybody. and But anyway, so there was a huge conflict of interest on the seed oil debate if it was Paul Saladino against these two guys that are clearly pro seed oils, debunkers of the anti-seed oil stuff and at the same time they're investors in a company that they have a seed oil derived fatty acid in their bullshit protein bar, you know, because protein is so important. That's literally all of the freaking advice he gives you, Peter Atiyah, in his magnum opus of a longevity book, you know.
00:13:37
Speaker
He doesn't give you any, any, any genuine advice on how to prevent cancer, diabetes, heart disease, even though he talks about them at length. He has two chapters on cancer and I think Alzheimer's. So he talks about these diseases at length and what causes them. Well, the pathophysiology, not what causes them necessarily because a lot of it is diet,
00:14:01
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driven So he doesn't talk about what actually causes them, but he talks about the pathophysiology, and the the amyloid plaques in Alzheimer's and the research and what can could be done and this can this be done, could that be done.
00:14:13
Speaker
And doesn't actually tell you anything to do with your diet, right? because Because of course, when you kind of start, and this is where it kind of ties into the other stuff, when you his connections now with these people,
00:14:28
Speaker
ah Epstein and Co. of It starts to make sense. while Can someone that smart really be that stupid? you know how Can he be that stupid that he cannot see that ah these oils, which didn't exist in terms of them being in the food supply 150 years ago, and all of these diseases were nowhere like in the numbers that we have now.
00:14:54
Speaker
And he somehow... It's all about the research. The most important being the randomized controlled trials. With him and Norton talking about the randomized controlled trials, if anything, show benefit, especially against saturated fat or show them being neutral, the seed oils.
00:15:14
Speaker
So it's like At some point, even the most sort of trusting person was like, like why who whoa, whoa.
00:15:24
Speaker
But that's just one piece of the puzzle. Like, okay, the C-Dolls thing, but he's also pushing statins. And he's also... he He was also pushing the COVID vax you know a few years ago. And just this morning, as ah I was walking my dog, I was just kind of looking at what what other stuff does he have on vaccines. And one of the first things that came up was him having someone on his podcast that's a vaccine expert. And they were basically talking smack about people that parents...
00:15:57
Speaker
barons they're trying to help parents not be misinformed by the anti-vaxxers and people that were confused to try to shed some light on it. And basically, they were kind of talking a smack about Andrew Wakefield and then some guy that debunked him. And Peter Thia...
00:16:14
Speaker
is like if you just watch and read all of that material and if you still think that vaccines are connected to autism,
Reputation and Public Image Issues
00:16:24
Speaker
I can't help you. like i just nothing Nothing will change your mind. So I try to put it delicately that you know we just have to agree to disagree. So really just very sort of condescending and and sort of smug ways to kind of make it that if you don't agree with my Provax stance after reading all of this information. You're just too stupid to understand it.
00:16:47
Speaker
And i just have to like be politely disagree with you you, agree to disagree with you and let's just you know knock it on the head there. So really just... He comes off as humble which you know most people can kind of see through after a while I think because its it's this kind of thinly veiled humility that is based in like it's seemingly narcissism and actually somebody shared um a 12 year old um TED talk that he had done where he actually fakes crying in the video. It's it's actually pretty like just kind of cringe to to kind of watch some psychologist do, Donnex shared it. He's like this is what like narcissists do, they will feign the crocodile crocodile tears. but here here so So here's like the the thing the the the thing I really kind of wanted to to bring to your attention. is like and um
00:17:44
Speaker
Quick segue actually. I had about eight clients on the on my Sunday call support call last yesterday and at the start of the the call I asked anybody here know who Peter Atiyah is? and Actually only I think one person had actually heard of him but hadn't even like didn't know his work. So it's a little bit relieved that he's not as popular as as I would have thought because even though, you know, longevity in like the longevity space, he's like huge, not
00:18:20
Speaker
everyone is in that sort of sub group of people that are following it closely as others and a lot of my clients they come from this sort of stances that doctors aren't to be trusted for the most part, the the especially the mainstream ones pushing the the statins and the vaccines. So even if they would have saw and heard of him, as soon as they heard him talk about statins are good and whatnot, ah or or pushing vaccine vaccines and stuff, they would been like, you know, this guy, I'm not gonna listen to him. So that was a little bit of a relief, but I know there's a lot of like normal people out there
00:19:01
Speaker
not that my clients are abnormal i'm just saying they're more like i just say they're more of the a lot of them are more of the
00:19:11
Speaker
you know freedom-minded, questioning a lot of narratives, types if you know what i'm saying. ah Love them, love them to bits. and so So it was a bit of a relief, but on the other hand, a lot of, like I said already, a lot of people that yeah so you know, for whatever reason, you have a health scare or you you're someone close to you has a health scare. Like I need to start looking after my health. And then you you start eating better. And one of the first things you will see is is Peter Ortega's stuff. If you look up fasting, low, whatever, low carb, blah, blah, blah.
00:19:51
Speaker
comes up, you know, so he's the top of the food chain. So he's basically sucking in to his vortex a lot of people and and again, brain basically brainwashing them. Statins are good, cholesterol is bad, saturated fat is bad, seed oils are totally fine, just don't overeat calories and just make sure you're getting enough exercise, you know, that's kind of the best longevity drug. And then of course, we're going to put you on other drugs because you you you got to be on the other drugs. Okay, this is medicine 3.0.
00:20:17
Speaker
um So it doesn't now with kind of seeing this Epstein stuff, it doesn't surprise me that he's pushing these narratives because in order to get to that level of popularity, it it's two things can happen. So you either get there through the help of, you know let's just say, people that can help you get there, okay connections and such.
00:20:45
Speaker
Or you could, probably rarer, you could get there on your own, but then there comes a time when you get big enough on your own where it now...
00:21:00
Speaker
may or may not be, how do I say it, it may or may not be useful for these folks to to get you either on their payroll, ideally on the payroll, just so that you're easy, you know, if you if you want to play ball, you get on the payroll, happy days, and then, but that that that means that you have to, as I say, toll the party line, you have to not to talk about certain things and then potentially promote other things. in it you know and it's kind of it's to i understand By the way, if you're like deeper into this stuff, I understand that I'm just talking about a very, very inconsequential part of these files. There's like millions of documents here. There's much more
00:21:48
Speaker
important stuff in there that that and some horrific stuff that needs to be discussed and brought to light and and all that good stuff. And it does seem like the the these sort of lower lower level figures like actors, even some politicians, ah musicians, they're like a great sort of scapegoat to to take away attention from the more nefarious stuff because, you know, people know Jay-Z, they know whatever, ah Beyonce and...
00:22:17
Speaker
whatever actors and other people so they're much more interested in like looking up the drama on the internet about those folks than people they've never whose names they they've never heard you know that kind of way and i understand i'm i'm kind of doing that as well but like this is this is my my corner of of sort of of the world is the kind of health and longevity. So like yeah i I wanted to add my thoughts to this part of the small part of the conversation. I can see a lot of people are doing good work in terms of exposing stuff on X and whatnot. So keep in mind, I understand this is not the most important thing, but when it comes to it, what the most important thing for you is your health, right? And then ancillary to that is your sources of health information. And if you if you stumble upon somebody that's like a sweet talker, that they they they seem to know a lot, it it you could well fall into like into the trap of trusting someone. Because that's the thing, if you're like him, Atiyah, millions of followers, millions of books sold number one new New York Times bestseller. did That carries so much weight that people stop questioning his
Rise to Popularity and Industry Influence
00:23:33
Speaker
recommendations. This is this is where people can fall into that trap.
00:23:36
Speaker
right So yeah yeah so where where i was what I was talking about is so to get to that level, you either know people, you kind of ah sell your soul to the devil, as it were, figuratively or maybe even literally, God god knows.
00:23:50
Speaker
and then and then doors open, contacts open and whatnot, you go to parties and and and you know partnerships and and companies, investments, checks coming your way. So that's one way to do it and then the other way is when you if you build it yourself, they can come in and kind of say, look, hey, you like money, can make more money, more connections,
00:24:16
Speaker
And then, of course, there's this third way of blackmail, which is obviously what the the guy Epstein was doing a lot of, you know. So the thing the thing is you you you can't assume everybody in that he contacted and and and worked with, you know, was doing some horrific shit. Yeah.
00:24:35
Speaker
But the the thing is that everybody didn't know who he was and what he was up to. Now the problem then was some stuff that came out about Atiyah is that there was one email where he says, i need to go there someday. I need to visit someday. So that's about the little ja i little st James Island.
00:25:02
Speaker
So that's obviously not not painting him in a very good light. There was another email where he says,
00:25:14
Speaker
to one of Epstein's assistants. No, thank you so much. see you next time. Hopefully, J.E. Jeffrey Epstein in town when I'm back in two weeks. I go into J.E. Jeffrey Epstein withdrawal when I don't see him. Okay. That was in 2016. That's pretty pretty crazy. Then another email from June...
00:25:33
Speaker
2015, Peter to Epstein says, you, the biggest problem with becoming friends with you, to Epstein, the life you lead is so outrageous and yet I can't tell a soul.
00:25:46
Speaker
So Atiyah said that. Oh yeah, so regarding the Little St. James Island, he said, i need to visit sometime, that was in April 2026. So pretty, like, clear that he knew that this guy was up to like no good because what one another thing that I saw the early morning, some some doctor on X ah ah another spotted another email in the in the big list of duplicates and whatnot. So Atiyah said to Epstein, home is very good, work stressful, making some changes. What is fallout from recent story? That was December 4th, 2018. I think that's when hugh Epstein was arrested that second time. So what is fallout from recent story? Epstein says zero. No, so then Atiyah says in another email, legally any change? Epstein replies zero.
00:26:43
Speaker
Right? So seems like he kind of knew like the stuff that was going on and he was doing, you know? So this is, this is really the, the, the, the part where I'm like starting to think again, why, why is he pushing the vaccine, the COVID stuff? Why is he pushing the statins? Why is he a C Doyle apologist? Is it a, because to, to, to be in the club, even it's in its ancillary sort of in the outskirts of the club, to be in the club, you have to,
00:27:20
Speaker
play the game and say things that you you you you're supposed to say and and not say things that go against certain things that are going to be helpful to the people in those circles which a lot of them will own pharmaceutical companies or shares in them and and you know politicians, government officials. like I don't know how deep you know this stuff goes and the people implicated here in these files and i don't know how much research you've done. I've not done a lot of research personally because it's it's so dark and disgusting but like holy cow it's it's it's insanely horrific. like I don't think
00:28:08
Speaker
everybody is ready to actually you know learn what what what was going on and what's going still going on. you know Some people it would be too much psychologically.
00:28:22
Speaker
And like I saw on X, some people were like holy cow, it's like if this is the stuff that they released, just imagine what stuff they didn't release and it's still you know in the dark. you know So it's pretty, it's pretty it's it's it's horrific, it's insane, um but it it kind of makes sense why this person, this doctor is pushing all of the stuff that that like like people like me and and other folks I know in the health space, like this is, again, either he's just a ah brainwashed, overeducated, dumbass doctor, which meant there is many of those. we you know
00:29:05
Speaker
That's kind of the problem with with medical school. They make it that way. So they really fuck you up. Excuse my excuse my French. Hold on.
00:29:16
Speaker
I'd like to apologize for the behavior of my passion. Okay, that's better. I have this every time. I have a swear jar here and I also have this apology from McKee and Peele skit. It's really funny.
00:29:31
Speaker
I might play the rest of it at the end. Damn, I lost my train of thought. So yeah, so this is this is the state of the mainstream, unfortunately. You have to be so careful with with with this stuff. and I know that many of the people listening to this podcast, like yourself, I'm sure, You kind of know this stuff already, but it's this is a tiny, tiny, tiny segment of, of of you know, it's a not a representative sample of humanity at large.
Personal Anecdotes and Controversial Narratives
00:30:04
Speaker
So, you know, we have to really help other people understand, man, like i saw people...
00:30:11
Speaker
They little were like, oh my God, I was following this guy for five years or whatever. I'm just going to burn his book or I just discovered this guy. I love his book. And people were like just horrified because the it it is horrific. I'll tell you another thing I saw yesterday is so in in the last chapter of his book, he Peter Atiyah talks about kind of he basically in 2017, Tuesday July 11th 2017, he received a call from his wife that she was in an ambulance with their infant son, he was one month old roughly, Ayrton, on the way to the hospital and he had suddenly stopped breathing and fallen unconscious. His eyes were completely rolled back in their sockets and he was lifeless and blue with no heartbeat. Only the quick reaction of our nanny had saved him.
00:31:03
Speaker
she she rushed She rushed him to Jill, who is a nurse, that's his wife. Her instincts took over and she immediately put him on the floor and began performing CPR, rhythmically but carefully pressing her fingers on his tiny sternum as the nanny frantically dialed 9-11, 9-11, Freudian slip.
00:31:24
Speaker
freud and sleep it's inside job 911, he was barely a month old by the time the firefighters stormed into the house five minutes later he was breathing again and then he was actually lucky to be alive the fireman said that um you know the they almost never see these kids come back They told her they still don't they still don't know how or why it happened, but this is likely what occurs when babies die suddenly in their sleep. They choke for a moment on their own saliva or some other face of vagal insult occurs and their very immature nervous system fails to restart their breathing.
00:32:03
Speaker
yeah or or some kind of issue with let's just say jabs okay let's just not be immature uh you know naive children here he's a medical doctor probably his kids were you know jabbed from day one and it's you know it's horrific it's horrific But then what happened is she called him from the ambulance.
00:32:32
Speaker
He was in New York in a taxi on 54th street on his way to dinner after his wife...
00:32:41
Speaker
Where were So after she finished telling me the story, i just said without a shred of emotion, okay, call me when you get to the hospital so I can talk to the doctors in the ICU. She got off the phone pretty quickly. And of course, it's obvious why she was upset.
00:32:56
Speaker
Our son had nearly died and the right thing for me to say the next ah to say the only thing to say was that I was getting the next flight home. Jill stayed in the hospital with their son alone for four days. She pleaded with me to come home. i called in daily to talk to the doctors. and discuss each other's, each day's test results, but I stayed in New York, busy with my, quote, important, unquote, work. Okay, he quotes that in the book.
00:33:25
Speaker
Ayrton's cardiac arrest ah happened on Tuesday. i did not come home to San Diego until Friday of the following week. 10 days later. Even today, just think about what happened. I feel nauseous about my behavior. i can't believe I did that to my family. I can't believe what a blind, selfish, checked out husband and father I was. And I know I may never fully forgive myself for it for as long as I live. Now, the this obviously is a harrowing story and it's
00:33:59
Speaker
It's what turns out that one of the emails to Epstein's assistant, I think, or maybe not to direct directly to Epstein. So on Thursday, July 13, two days later, 2017,
00:34:18
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twenty seventeen He says, so let's see, sorry, so July 12th, 2017, Peter Atiyah says to epstein Epstein an email, sure, what time?
00:34:30
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Then Epstein emails him later,
00:34:36
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9.30 and then the next day July 13, 2017 Atiyah ahta says ah via email sure i can come earlier also if if you have a hard stop at 10 let me know so you know that's that's kind of that's kind of horrifying you know that his important work was with with Epstein when his his son nearly died so so and there's a few other things in there that were kind of pretty pretty nasty but I kind of don't want to overload you with with stuff but it's kind of I think that's why people were a little bit sickened and and and so shocked because like he was always like this he seemed like this like a Canadian like Canadians again you wouldn't expect a Canadian to do some some bad stuff you know Canadians He he was always well-spoken. was always trying to be diplomatic. He seemed to never want to ruffle any feathers with anyone.
00:35:34
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Probably that's why he didn't want to have like a hard stance on... you know on anything that's you know a little bit too controversial because then you know you're if you're divisive on the seadulls, then if you say make a statement on anything where there's two parties that are battling it out, you're always going to get the wrath of the other party. So it's I don't understand i don't i mean i don't understand I don't understand why someone has to be so spineless but I also understand if you want to be as big as possible and appeal to as many people as possible you have to really tread carefully on some of these things I don't agree with it because I think it's fucking spineless hold on my friends I'd like to apologize for the behavior of my passion okay ah so should click click it twice sorry
00:36:33
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I have to, it's like, this is my swear jar now. I hope it doesn't get too annoying. Damn, i every time I do that, I lose my train of thought. Yeah, so look, this is this is the the long and short of it. It's pretty it's pretty terrible.
00:36:47
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But here is, i want to always, for the the last almost 48 hours now, let's say 40 plus hours since I learned about this, I've been like trying to, in my heart, find what is,
00:37:03
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the best way you can frame this entire situation for for Peter Atiyah. And I've been kind of thinking about it in a couple of ways. And I think one of them you will enjoy. It's kind of it's kind of humorous.
00:37:16
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Try to make light of a pretty messed up situation because you know if you if it take things too seriously, you you might fall into a depression. right So the for the first, I think one of the first sort of, kind of already mentioned that is one of the the ways so this the first conversation that we see here is around 2015. Peter wasn't huge back then.
00:37:39
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He was up and coming. He's become huge over the last 10 years, 10-12 years. um But so he wasn't huge. So he didn't have influence yet as much as he does now. So maybe they they there were like they groom a lot of people and they kind of they seem to email, there was like some some emails to people that were like, the response to the person, they were like, oh oh he would like Jeffrey would like to meet you, he'll be in this place.
00:38:10
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this time and sometimes some of those people some of those emails show that they're like no sorry i'm busy and some of those people are like you know what i'm not i'm not gonna have anything to do with this stuff because it was 2015 20 2008 when he was convicted for the first time so they knew what's up so some people were like you know what no uh so that's one way you can Hopefully, if you're so if you're smart, avoid the whole thing.
00:38:40
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But then there's other people that wanted to, apparently, some people, they were like trying to meet with him they were like emailing his assistant. So we don't know how it started, obviously, with with Peter Ortega, but it could have been where, look, he's a doctor, and he has someone coming to him to be a patient, you know? And just because they've been convicted of something doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed the services of whatever you provide. you know It's bad business to turn away business like that because especially someone that's also you know could bring you other business, other patients or clients. So he maybe it started with like, okay, yeah, sure, let's...
00:39:24
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let's that ah you know I'll be your concierge doctor, 150, 200k, whatever. And maybe Epstein offered even more you know to to for for his extra services.
00:39:35
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So that's maybe how it started innocently enough for Atiyah. But then what they do is they try to you know rope you in. This is me speculating here. Allegedly, I'm not saying I know anything. I'm not...
00:39:49
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you know i've just read read and researched about this stuff over the last you know years this is kind of the way i see things not don't take it as you know gospel but then they will try to rope you in somehow.
00:40:03
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What we know is that apparently Attila was staying in epstein's Epstein's apartments in New York and stuff so it it they became friendly over time so not sure not sure did it progress from something fairly innocent like Dr. Client relationship but they did become friends that's why you know he mentions him being a friend and and then wanting to go to the island and And then, by the way, one of the emails, the subject line is, got a fresh shipment, which is pretty sinister sounding. can interpret it way too many colorful ways, which, you know, depending on your tinfoil hat, the size of your tinfoil hat, you know, many different ways you can you can think about it. So that's kind of like one way I thought, you know, maybe he he then,
00:40:55
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the the opportunities were there for him is what then allowed him to get himself roped into all of this stuff because you know fame and you know he the book that book did incredibly well like new new york times bestseller he there was picture with him and oprah and like oh he's been on big pot all the big podcasts on you know tv and patience of you know fame and and whatever so he's been getting a lot of doors opening for him uh he's an investor and advisor and in quite a lot of companies so i think that's how you get roped in and and the more the more invested in and the the more kind of like stuff you get the more like you can't say no oh do you want to
00:41:47
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Do you want to come to this party? do you want to come here? you want to like do this? and if you if you're like if you say, no I can't, you you get FOMO. Like, oh, what if what if like they don't invite me again if I don't come? Or what if I don't put out whatever like favor they need, they might not ask again. i might just...
00:42:07
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because there's you know there's there's There's that aspect to it. you know And maybe that's how he kind of like he's like, shit, I got to play the game and look at all the success I've been getting.
00:42:18
Speaker
i don't want it to stop and I certainly do want it to grow if possible. who Who wouldn't think that? yeah Many people would, you know not maybe not everybody. Not everybody wants or needs that. So maybe that's how he kind of got roped into things. not Again, not excusing it by any means. I'm just trying to see if is there potentially like a less horrible way to to kind
Motives and Ethical Questions
00:42:42
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of look at this. and So that's one way. Now, here's the other one. And I think this one is a little bit...
00:42:47
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I'm just trying to like be a little bit tongue in cheek here just to end a bit of a more positive humor. you know I like to kind of joke around a little bit. But what if, and you have to be insanely delusional, delusionally optimistic to actually believe this.
00:43:10
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But what if Peter Atiyah was trying to get close to Epstein to fuck him up? Allow me to explain.
00:43:21
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But before I do that... friends, I'd like to apologize for the behavior of my passion. Sorry, but I have to redact some of these some of these after. So what if Peter Attia is like, no, dude, I'm going to fuck this guy up.
00:43:39
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I'm going to get in there I'm going to destroy his health. how How? How could he have done that? Well, as it turns out, if you if you look and into the files, and let me just find, I had them here somewhere. It's another tab here. Sorry, one second. So if you look into the files,
00:44:00
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It turns out that Atiyah was really trying to get Epstein on the statins. okay And not only that, but he was trying to get Epstein on a low-carb diet. And Epstein was very, very but much against both of those things.
00:44:26
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okay Let me just find, I'm going pause for a second and find it. Okay, so sorry about that. ahead I had thought I saved some of these. Anyway, so there's a there's some emails that I saw. was kind of like putting in in the search there on the justice.gov site slash Epstein, putting like low-carb statin. So there was a dude called...
00:44:51
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Larry Summers, and geez, I forget now. Sorry about this. ah Larry Summers. He's like something with the Treasury Secretary. not not sir so What is it?
00:45:04
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Larry Summers. He's 27th president of the harvard of Harvard University from 2001 to 2006. two thousand and six So he was the 71st United States Secretary of the Treasury from 1999 to 2001. So that dude was emailing his doctor or some other person in that capacity ah saying that Epstein told him that the low carb diet makes you dumber.
00:45:33
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And then there's another email here from Larry Summers to David S. Finn, MD. I have heard the reports about statins of which Crestor is one and cognitive concerns long term.
00:45:51
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Not heard as much about the low-carb diets and cognition, but we'll check it out. that's Sorry, that's that's the the doctor David Finn responding to Larry Summers. So that's like one of them.
00:46:04
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Then the one the the one that I saw yesterday was this one. So Lauren H. Summers to George Church. George, Jeff Epstein says I should worry that low-carb diet directed at me from redacted is at risk of making me dumber.
00:46:26
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Also says redacted impedes cognition. Do you agree, Larry? And then below that, follow me on Twitter at LHSummers.
00:46:39
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Okay, that's the guy. And then George says, answers him with two points a low carb is often get a low carb diet is often ketogenic Crestor so just a real doctor response you know like oh you just gotta take CoQ10 with the with the statin and and he's talking about how he, this is a doctor, how he brought down his cholesterol from 285 to 205 with vegan diet after mild myopathy readings with statins. So this is a doctor's experience. so
00:47:17
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So Laurence Summers says, thanks, very helpful, bit reassuring on my plan relative to listening to Jeffrey, hope to see you soon, Larry. And...
00:47:30
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and then there was another email from Lawrence H. Summers to Jeffrey Epstein forwarding all of this, you are more dramatic than him. So I don't know, but like what it seems, and and like I kind of, I saw another email from Epstein to Peter Atiyah, where Peter ah Epstein had shared some news article of a woman had crashed a car or something, and she was a statin taker. So what it seems like is that Epstein was really apprehensive to doing the low carb diet, taking statins and just in general drugs. So the best sort of thing I can think of here is that these doctors,
00:48:17
Speaker
We're trying to get get him on as many drugs as possible, maybe get him to do low-carb diet, maybe a vegan diet to really mess him up as quickly as possible. And they were like really, really good guys. But again, you have to be insanely delusional to think that they weren't doing the best they knew. And what is the best, these amazing doctors that he had the access to the best in the world?
00:48:44
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What is the best they had to offer is freaking take a statin and, of course, CoQ10 will help with the you know myopathy, which you you might get. and What?
00:48:58
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And then get on a low-carb diet. They were like obsessed with like getting his cholesterol down. This is the best care that money can get, apparently, when you have unlimited buckets of it.
00:49:18
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Shocking, shocking. Because we know we know that they believe that because... most doctors and too many doctors still were like of that belief that it's cholesterol is the problem they're obsessed like they're wasting all this time on and energy on cholesterol and trying to get this guy to eat low and he was he's like you can't you can never say that the guy was stupid you know uh necessarily he he probably didn't have enough time to do proper research into health and nutrition but he was not
00:49:52
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that dumb to believe even Peter Attia who he was paying probably $100,000, $50,000, $200,000 plus a year or maybe even we well more than that to be his concierge doctor. And even then he didn't believe him he didn't take the damn statins. And then there was another, I think there was another email where Atiyah was like, when are we going to get you on a PCSK9 inhibitor, which is another cholesterol-lowering drug, a bit newer, different mechanism. So, dude, even freaking Epstein buying the best care in the world, allegedly, you know ostensibly, even he
00:50:37
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it was like you know what even the these best best of the best doctors maybe just not correct about this cholesterol low carb stuff and uh you know taking statins and and pcsk9 uh inhibitors so that's you you you want to believe, you know, you want to believe that they were like, no, dude, you know what, this guy has to be stopped. We need to get him on a low-carb diet. And by the way, his i don't I think he was maybe trying to to like follow some of the low-carb stuff. he Apparently on one test his that was shown, his testosterone 185, which like,
00:51:23
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which was like really, really bad. And you could definitely see that on a low-carb diet because like even big, strong guys like that, what's the carnivore guy?
00:51:33
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Dr. Sean Baker, he his testosterone at some point was like 200-something. Peter Thier's testosterone was something like 300 at one point, 350, maybe even less, super low because, of of course, of all of his you know intermittent fasting and and low-carb stuff. you know But yeah, you you you would...
00:51:53
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if you're a delusional child wanting to see everything through, you know, rose-colored glasses, you'd be like, oh yeah, these guys are just trying to mess him up with these low-carb diets and statins and stuff. But like no, they were trying to, like, they were doing the best they can and that's all they can do. So,
00:52:10
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That is, unfortunately, the top of the food chain in the health and
Skepticism Towards Mainstream Health Advice
00:52:18
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longevity space. And look, all of the Epstein stuff aside, if you see what they're recommending out there, and I'm using Peter Atiyah as an example, because a lot of lot of what other people below, levels below him recommend is based on what he recommends. A lot of the health space is people parenting stuff from people higher up.
00:52:42
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For example, 2008 when i I really got into all the podcasts and stuff, not all of them, but some of them I was super hard into them. like Dave Asprey was one of the first ones that I found on ah via Tim Ferriss.
00:52:55
Speaker
And it was like not that i was parenting Dave Asprey, but like a lot of the ideas the autophagy, the the red light therapy, the blue blockers, and and not all of it was bad, of course, don't get me wrong. Like I still do some of those things that I learned, but a lot of it, like the keto, the ketones and measuring the ketones and cyclical ketosis and fasting upregulate autophagy and all just...
00:53:22
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it's nauseating just thinking how naive and and and sort of green I was you know back then and we were all parroting the same stuff and I see I see kind of newer folks in the space parroting those same things and what like lines like there's no such thing as a essential carbohydrate, parenting, things like you need to become fat adapted, metabolic flexibility, things like, ah you know, what is autophagy? It's cellular cleanup and like a lot of like just kind of one liners being thrown around by people that just they've they've decided that person is a good source of information. Therefore, I just have to learn as much as I can from them and then
00:54:10
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um I'm set and that the problem is that if, as in this example, if that person is first of all classically, not classic in the classic, classic sense, but conventionally trained by mainstream medicine,
00:54:25
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which is funded and and and ran by the pharmaceutical mafia, that's already a problem because most of those people, most of them, like the huge majority of those doctors are then automatons that just try try to get you on the statins, try to just drug you, hydrocortisone, get you on the steroids for whatever ails you are.
00:54:47
Speaker
and really just very very um barbaric sort of stuff like ah surgeries, get your gallbladder out. and just it's It's horrific and I work with clients um you know and we talk I talk to my clients three times a week um on the on my coaching calls so I hear like just the amount of stories I've heard and just horrific. like Just last night on our on our Sunday call, We're talking about gallbladders. And then one of my clients, like both of his, ah two of his family, close family members had their gallbladders removed. And it just, you know, you mentioned one thing and then the the conversations end up like, God, like what's going on? And another guy, really cool guy, I'm going to actually, he's going to be at Anarchapulco next week. He's telling me about his, ah shout out Johnny. He's telling me about like his parents. And I'm sorry to bring this up, bro. I know you're probably listening.
00:55:42
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ah But he's telling me about his parents, like cancer stuff after COVID vaccines. Just like the amount of suffering and damage to to humanity at the hands of these men in butcher coats is unimaginable. it's It's of horrific proportions. So that's a huge problem in and of itself.
00:56:02
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you have someone like that then that gets into these circles that tell him you can have fame, fortune, and more if you want it, you know if you know what I'm saying. Then it gets extra nefarious because at that point, even if he wanted to bring to your attention stuff that is important for you. Don't take XYZ intervention. Don't eat XYZ foods, oils, whatever. He may be told, listen, let's just keep it to a bit more, you know,
00:56:36
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stuff that's nots not so controversial. Let's just keep it to make sure you your your cholesterol numbers are low. If they're not, we're gonna get you on a statin. Talk to your doctor about a statin and educate the public about the important things, if you know what we mean.
00:56:50
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And then, you know, if the if the carrot doesn't work, and usually works, I think for a lot of people it works because the stick can be particularly horrific. Because in this case, just in, again, I'm using this case as an example,
00:57:05
Speaker
And i again, i want I want to give him the benefit of the doubt here, of course, all that good stuff. But in this case, you see the reputation of damage of just being associated to Epstein, how bad it is. Like if you you go on his...
00:57:21
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at least on Instagram and X, i did i don't maybe I did check YouTube yesterday, maybe I didn't, I forget. But if you go to his Instagram and and X, the last three three to five posts, pretty much all the comments are going to be, you know, going to make a statement about this. Like, are you are you this? Are you that?
00:57:41
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You know, horrible things, unsubscribing, that are you know. So just that, the damage of being associated is is horrific. And this is sort of collateral damage from from a much bigger incident for him. But imagine if they actually if he pissed them off and he had said, you know what, fuck you guys, excuse me.
00:58:04
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My friends, I'd like to apologize for the behavior of my passion. Oops, I clicked it twice again. So imagine if you'd pissed them off, man.
00:58:16
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like he just You don't even want to imagine what what can happen to to one that is... in like the The way, the way for my at least from my kind of research into this, and I probably researched this kind of stuff a lot more than...
00:58:38
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is necessary for good mental health, to be honest, and certainly much more than your regular Joe Jane on the street out there. From what I understand, is like this is the kind of club that once you're in, there's the only way out really is either death or like your reputation just completely and utterly destroyed type thing.
00:59:08
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So once you're in it, there's a hell of a lot of incentive to stay because of course, you know, the the the money, the fame, the hookers and etc. You know, let's whatever that's whatever. This is not that kind of show.
00:59:26
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So the incentives are a pretty good for for for the people. And then again, the disincentives are really, really... convincing if you know what i mean very very few people probably would would try to speak out and stuff like that you know that are not victims you know outright victims of course uh that many victims are silenced and and and too scared to to say anything because you know that some of them have families and what could happen so it's it's so messed up like i don't like again i don't think
01:00:02
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everybody out there a lot of my listeners probably like know more more about this stuff than me but like many people out there are not ready to even like begin the the the it's so dark uh this whole stuff but Anyway, the moral of the story here is, and i've I've said this quite a few times over the last couple of years, is now anytime somebody or something gets very big, very popular,
01:00:34
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but whether the Whether it's a supplement, an intervention, a diet, a person, we just have to be very careful about especially blindly trusting them. like they might Some of them might might be good people, some of them might be well-intentioned.
01:00:53
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We just have to be careful. you know We have to be very careful. with with Again, with the TF, to me, it was just with folks, at least, that are deeper into health, a lot of people could see through through the bullshit. Again, it's ah it's a medical doctor talking about getting on statins. He takes statins. He he wants almost every all his patients on statins and then other drugs. And then...
01:01:18
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ah Of course, make sure you're co-accinated. Make sure everybody's co-accinated. the jeep jabs, all the boosters, all that good stuff. You know, so it's that's actually pretty easy to see through for like many people. But it can be...
01:01:34
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b a little bit more tricky than that in less obvious cases. So we have to be very careful with what what's what's a allowed because a lot of the stuff that becomes mainstream, it becomes mainstream because it's allowed to become mainstream.
01:01:54
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You know, it's not, a lot of times it's not organic. It's it's hard to there is really there's no organic reach nowadays. So if if you can be pushed up by the algorithm,
01:02:05
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you can pay for a lot of like traffic and ads and stuff, that that's another way if you have cash and then of course you can be you can be pushed up the the algorithm if it picks you up via its AI or if you know there's certain parameters in there that are tweaked. For example, fasting. If you want to look for fasting information you will find on on YouTube, you'll find oodles of almost copy-paste videos about the autophagy, the setup, the clean-up, the nonsense, the BS.
01:02:43
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Thousands of people. But then if you want to look for like the negative effects of fasting, the best the best I found was, is fasting a scam? you know, is intermittent fasting this, are you gonna, is it, the oh, this sort of like ostensibly like the devil's advocate point of view, you know, it could fasting be harmful? And it always ends up being a positive spin on fasting. It's just as so it was a clickbait title and thumbnail to get you to click. And like like seven minutes later, I'm like, use you son of my bitches, I thought you were gonna say something
01:03:20
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against the grain, maybe give a different perspective. And just in case you don't know this, I apologize. Please forgive me for the behavior of my passion. think I'm going to play the full thing and then we're gonna wrap today because i have been talking at you enough.
01:03:36
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01:03:41
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01:04:02
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All right! Dobra! Dobra! All right! So, what's good? Oh, wait, I tell you, you have to have the kebapi. Kebapi is what you're going to have, okay? Oh, don't they serve that in the cafe across the street? No!
01:04:16
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You cannot get the kebapi at the cafe across street!
01:04:26
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What? What did I say? Across the street is remaining this cafe. Macedonia. Macedonia.
01:04:39
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My friends. I'd like to apologize for the behavior of my passion. I just feel bad in my brain for people to think that your mouths will have been raped.
01:04:51
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but the food that they're serving at these Albanian mother of bitches. These mother bitches, sons of my bitch, across the street, what they be serving is cevapi.