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How to Stop Paying Federal Taxes Legally | Christopher Gronski
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Living in New Hampshire since 1987, Christopher Gronski has a great concern for America as he sees the local, state, and federal governments disregard the Rights of the People.
New Hampshire’s state motto “Live Free or Die” declares his sentiment and commitment to the Freedom movement here in America.
Christopher has been studying US Federal jurisdiction and State and federal tax laws for over 25 years and has been a Private Freedom Consultant for many Freedom-minded people worldwide.
He has served as the New Hampshire State Coordinator for We The People for over 10 years, is President of Freedom Force International, and an active supporter of the Free State Project.
Christopher has held public office as a Selectman in Hill, NH, worked with legislators to protect rights, and successfully assisted in obtaining State Citizen Passports recognized by the U.S. State Department without federal 14th Amendment status.
He teaches State Citizenship Classes online at DestinationFreedom.org and helps people eliminate debt, deal with the IRS, and set up Foreign Trust Organizations.
Go to: https://destinationfreedom.org/
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Transcript
Introduction of Hosts and Guest
00:00:01
Christian Yordanov
Hey folks, welcome back to the podcast. Christian Jornow here. Today's special guest is Christopher Gronsky. little bit about who he is. So i i met him at the Anarchipulco conference. ah He's been there the last three years that I've been there.
00:00:18
Christian Yordanov
and just ah his talk there is always extremely eye-opening and you'll see soon why especially most especially if you live in the u.s of a so just briefly christopher has been studying u.s federal jurisdiction and state and federal tax laws for over 25 years and he's been a private freedom consultant for many freedom-minded people worldwide He has served as the New Hampshire State Coordinator for We The People for over 10 years, is president of Freedom Force International and an active supporter of the Free State Project.
Anarchapulco Insights and Personal Background
00:00:58
Christian Yordanov
Christopher has also held public office as selectman in Hill NH, worked with legislators to protect rights and successfully assisted in obtaining state citizen passports recognized by the US s State Department without
00:01:12
Christian Yordanov
federal 14th amendment status and he teaches state citizenship classes online at destinationfreedom.org link will be down below in the description and christopher helps people eliminate debt deal with the irs and set up foreign trust organizations christopher welcome to the show
00:01:32
Christopher Gronski
Glad to be here. i'm I'm thankful for your work. And I want to say that when I was watching you on stage, you're pretty animated. And I think you're funny.
00:01:43
Christopher Gronski
it so You made some some good stuff.
00:01:43
Christian Yordanov
Thank you. At least you think, you and my mom.
00:01:47
Christopher Gronski
Yeah.
00:01:48
Christian Yordanov
I'll just ah ah'll just share with the listeners my first, I guess my second, my first and my second interactions with you. So it was 2024, Anarchapulco, and you were doing a talk.
00:01:59
Christian Yordanov
I think it was the the Crypto Vigilante Summit the day before the conference started.
00:02:02
Christopher Gronski
Was that you?
00:02:04
Christian Yordanov
So there was questions at the end. that Like you took a ton of questions. And then it was ah they were about to wrap And then I had my hand up like for a while. i was like trying to ask a question and they're like, no, no guys, wrapping up.
00:02:16
Christian Yordanov
So i'm like, I shouted to the guys. It's a very quick one. And they're like, all right, go on. And i was like, are you by any chance related to Bill Clinton? And people were laughing.
00:02:25
Christopher Gronski
was that you
00:02:26
Christian Yordanov
That was me.
00:02:27
Christian Yordanov
That was me.
00:02:27
Christopher Gronski
That was bad.
00:02:28
Christopher Gronski
I thought I was going to get through that without having to to deal with those kinds of jokes. And know that's funny.
00:02:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:02:34
Christian Yordanov
But then the. Oh, really? Yeah.
00:02:34
Christopher Gronski
Usually it's Christopher Walken, but no, I I've recently been getting a lot of that, but I have not had sex.
00:02:41
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:02:42
Christopher Gronski
ae
00:02:42
Christian Yordanov
So then people were coming up to me like, dude, that was hilarious. But then the next time I saw, like oh I don't remember, was it the next day or two, but i went up to you because my name is Christian and sometimes people call me Chris.
00:02:52
Christian Yordanov
I personally, like I'm like, call me call me Johnny, whatever, just be nice. um But I went up to you and I said, hey, Chris. And you you kind of looked at me a little bit sternly and you're like, Christopher.
00:03:04
Christian Yordanov
I'm like, Chris. And you're like, no, it's Christopher. I'm like, oh, is that a thing? like and like you and you And you were like, and then you're like, well, would you like it if I called you? And you looked at my name tag and you're like, Chris.
00:03:17
Christian Yordanov
so so we shared we shared a quick laugh.
00:03:18
Christopher Gronski
he's okay
00:03:20
Christian Yordanov
i don't know if you remember that, but that was ah to me that was hilarious. Your reaction when you saw my Chris. Yeah. So anyway.
00:03:26
Christopher Gronski
Well, you know, that, that, um, you know, growing up and when my family and my friends, I mean, I've always been called Chris. And then when I'm 15 years ago, when I married my wife, uh, she would call me Christopher and, and really that's my name.
00:03:41
Christopher Gronski
And so I really, ah so I really liked it that she was calling me Christopher.
00:03:41
Christian Yordanov
Hmm.
00:03:45
Christopher Gronski
it was a bit formal. And, um, And so from then on, i when I would introduce myself to people and all, i started using Christopher. And then, you know, old families or friends, they all still call me Chris and all. And that's fine.
00:03:59
Christopher Gronski
But generally speaking, in my work and stuff, I like to go by Christopher. What i see, some of it is, you know, when people write my name, i want to it needs to be Christopher, not Chris.
00:04:03
Christian Yordanov
Of course.
00:04:10
Christopher Gronski
And so people will be casual in that way. So it's just ah it's just a detail and a fun way of being.
00:04:13
Christian Yordanov
Of course. Of course.
00:04:16
Christian Yordanov
And, and you know, like, i think it was, um ah was it, no, it wasn't Dale Carnegie, it was the guy, um How to Win Friends and Influence People, I forget the name of the guy, what's wrong with me?
00:04:27
Christian Yordanov
um
00:04:27
Christopher Gronski
When Friends in Films, I think that might be in Dale Carnegie.
00:04:30
Christian Yordanov
Okay, so he has in in that book, he says like that's one of the most important things is call people by their full name because that's like the one of the first noises that they would hear around them as they were like creating, just just just you know being a little sort of person creating the ego.
00:04:38
Christopher Gronski
Wow.
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Christopher Gronski
Wow.
00:04:48
Christopher Gronski
Yeah.
00:04:49
Christian Yordanov
So it's a very actually, it's a very powerful thing. So I completely respect that for me just because I'm Chris. i was like like, I didn't even think nothing of it. But you are i have to
Understanding U.S. Citizenship and Tax Decisions
00:04:59
Christian Yordanov
say, like you are every time pretty much that I've interacted with you, it's always such you're such a lighthearted guy.
00:05:06
Christian Yordanov
I just like i love your energy. I love kind of being near you. it's such a I love you, bro.
00:05:10
Christopher Gronski
Oh, that's kind of, I appreciate that a lot.
00:05:11
Christian Yordanov
I love you. I also love your work. Yes. And I also love your work. Now for the listeners who don't know you already, can you please just, and feel free to spend as much time as you need here. I won't interrupt, but tell us what you do. And then perhaps the the the backstory, how you got into that, because it's such ah an amazing thing that you're doing.
00:05:33
Christopher Gronski
Yeah, I'm, I'm, um, I mean, you know, my whole history, you know, I was raised military family years ago. i mean I was raised Catholic, but I was introduced to the Bible. And so i have a lot of formal training in the scriptures. So I'm not a novice in that capacity. The Bible for me is my only rule of faith and practice. I don't I don't participate in any particular denomination or thing like that. I'm a follower of Christ. um So so that that defines my life in a in a in a big way.
00:06:06
Christopher Gronski
i ah you know I've had jobs over the years and it was was I think it was really a transformative thing when I began to work for myself and have my own business, which ah at that time was window cleaning. And so I was rigorously trained as a window cleaner and in and in New Hampshire,
00:06:27
Christopher Gronski
You know, in the downtown Portsmouth area, everything ground floor in like the whole downtown area. I did all that glass and I would blow it out and, you know, in ah just a couple of days. And ah so that the thing that was nice about that um and for a lot of people and I'll get into talking about taxes, but the idea of being responsible for your own ah income. When you work for yourself, you can determine how much time you spend in your money making. and then how much you want to be paid for what you do. And I think that's transformative for a lot of people. They being employed and have a job, ah and, and somebody can enjoy the work that they do, of course, but when you're doing a job, you are actually helping someone else fulfill their vision and goal for their life.
00:07:20
Christopher Gronski
You're assisting them. It's not your goal of your life and all that.
00:07:21
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:07:24
Christopher Gronski
And so, uh, Changing that and beginning to work for yourself into setting the you know living that way, i think, was ah transformative. and and so That was exciting. and and Then somebody, um I think it was back in the mid-'90s, had sent me a book which was called Vultures in in Eagle's Clothing.
00:07:51
Christopher Gronski
And that was the first time that I had learned that there were two types of citizens in the United States. I didn't know that. You know, someone says United States citizen. I only think that's the only kind there is.
00:08:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:08:03
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:08:03
Christopher Gronski
But once you see it, you understand that... you may be agreeing to things that you may not want to be agreeing to. And so there's a, there's a lot of detail with respect to that. And when you begin to look at the tax code and things like that. So I, I read that and, and with my upbringing, um, my, you know, being raised in a military family, I was in the Navy, my everybody, all my siblings were Navy, my dad, my mom, everybody was Navy. So, and being a Christian, the idea of telling the truth was an important principle in my life. You know,
00:08:40
Christopher Gronski
So when I'm learning this and I'm learning that these are distinctions about your freedom, I always consider myself patriotic. You know, I love America.
00:08:52
Christopher Gronski
I love what America stands, not not today what it's supposed to stand for, the concepts of liberty and freedom. We should be exporting liberty and freedom to countries if that's what we're doing and now and we're just warmongers.
00:09:04
Christian Yordanov
We are, we are though. We are though in democracy.
00:09:09
Christopher Gronski
Oh, yeah.
00:09:09
Christian Yordanov
that's what That's what we're doing.
00:09:11
Christian Yordanov
Sorry, I interrupted.
00:09:11
Christopher Gronski
Is that what democracy is?
00:09:13
Christopher Gronski
no it's ah Yeah, mob rule. That's that's a good thing.
00:09:16
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:09:16
Christopher Gronski
um But the idea is that meant something to me. So when I was when i learned that there were choices different choices that you could make with respect to filing and paying income taxes, I said, well okay well, then I have to tell the truth, and this is the pathway we're going to go. And I remember getting agreement with my wife at the time.
00:09:38
Christopher Gronski
And the choice was, okay, do you want to you know, collect receipts and file papers or do you want to write letters? And so I decided, okay, we're going to write letters.
00:09:49
Christopher Gronski
And I was prepared to do that for the rest of my life, but that's not the way the the journey goes. So this was, again, it was transformative and ah stopped filing and paying and the pathway went a certain way and it was uncomfortable. And i remember the IRS coming to my house and and having those conversations and things like that.
00:10:09
Christopher Gronski
But it wasn't until... um I was at a trial, a tax trial in New Hampshire. It was ah Ed and Elaine Brown and that the IRS was using their passport application establishing their federal citizenship.
00:10:28
Christopher Gronski
And I knew that I had done my passport as a state citizen. Okay. And, and I, and so,
00:10:34
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:10:37
Christopher Gronski
I remember she not she said that she didn't know there was a different way to do the passport process. Afterwards at the break, talking to Elaine and the others that were there, I talked about what we had done and and eliminating income tax liability and such. And so that's when I began to help other people um stop filing and
Living Independently from Government Support
00:10:58
Christopher Gronski
and things like that. It wasn't until I married my my current wife and and I was in Washington state.
00:11:06
Christopher Gronski
um We were trying to determine whether we're going to live in Washington state that I had decided at that time, it was a good time to begin to do this full time.
00:11:15
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:11:16
Christopher Gronski
And, uh, and that's when I became a freedom consultant because really doing the income tax is one thing. And we help people Americans worldwide do that.
00:11:28
Christopher Gronski
Really. There is, um a huge vacuum in people's lives to understand principles of liberty and freedom. And your attorneys are not going to help you secure your liberty and freedom. It's not what attorneys do.
00:11:44
Christopher Gronski
Attorneys are hired to think for you without the consequence of of the you know the results of what you think. You are responsible for those results. The attorney just thinks for you, whether it be right or wrong or whatever the case may be. and they navigate themselves in the court. It's really terrible. It's like having an attorney help you with your liberty and freedom would be like having a medical doctor help you with your health.
00:12:12
Christian Yordanov
yeah I was just gonna say the exact same thing man exactly exactly yeah
00:12:14
Christopher Gronski
not going to not going to accomplish that because the doctor is not really trained to help you with your health. Your doctor is trained to be a drug dealer or cut out the offending organ, you know, and so that's that's where attorneys are.
00:12:26
Christian Yordanov
yeah exactly
00:12:30
Christopher Gronski
And and of course, they don't even secure liberty and freedom in their own lives. So so anyway, so that that was you know how I got involved and in doing that.
00:12:35
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:12:40
Christopher Gronski
So once I started doing this full time, It was growing exponentially. and And I remember how many people would come to our freedom fellowships and they would just have all kinds of questions about their own freedom, how they're interacting with government. And, you know, you act... ah You know, you you participate and have a relationship with government not only in your town, your county, your state, the federal government. So there's a number of governments that you have to deal with in your life, and all of them are different jurisdictions. It's not the same thing. It's not with the same people. And that's just part of, you know, how everyone lives pretty much everywhere.
00:13:22
Christopher Gronski
There's bureaucracy and governments that are wanting to regulate or control you, And then they want money from from you to provide those services to you, whether you like them or not.
00:13:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:13:37
Christopher Gronski
And so it becomes a system of of really it's actually the feudal system where you are working. to just pay all these obligations that are that are heaped upon you.
00:13:50
Christopher Gronski
and And that's the way most people live their lives. so to to you know So to deal with this from you know for Americans worldwide, it's really quite exciting because, I mean, there's no there's really no better business to to be talking with someone and saying, oh yeah, we can eliminate your federal income tax liability, which also eliminates the state income tax liability.
00:14:15
Christopher Gronski
And people can't, the difficulty is people cannot comprehend that there's a choice in that.
00:14:23
Christian Yordanov
Yeah man.
00:14:24
Christopher Gronski
And so that's, and so you're up against what you think is possible. Fear and ignorance are powerful motivators for people to, to not live their best life.
00:14:38
Christopher Gronski
And so we see that in all sorts of different categories.
00:14:38
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:14:41
Christopher Gronski
So that's really some of the, the, Some of the things that people have to deal with when they're going to begin this journey is is sometimes they'll frame it like, oh, you found a loophole.
00:14:58
Christopher Gronski
Like, oh, you know, they don't know this is happening. And then what they make up about it is, you know, once they find this loophole, they're just going to change the loophole and you're going to be set in the same place when they really don't realize. And this is true for everyone is Most jurisdictions, and I won't say that's everywhere on the planet because we recognize that there are very tyrannical governments, but in the Western world and and in many jurisdictions, we they recognize that slavery and involuntary servitude are illegal.
00:15:36
Christopher Gronski
And slavery, of course, illegal. is illegal and and generally speaking and in America slavery is legal in America as long as the person has been duly convicted of a crime. That's what it says in the 13th Amendment. So so people who are, you know, justly or duly convicted of a crime, they are actually slaves.
00:15:58
Christopher Gronski
and they can be charged to work and and the fruit of that will cover themselves and and what have you. That's the way that that amendment lives.
00:16:04
Christian Yordanov
Interesting
00:16:07
Christian Yordanov
Wow
00:16:07
Christopher Gronski
And involuntary servitude means that you may be living and working it in in a free capacity, but somebody is taking a piece of the fruit of your labor against your will maybe.
00:16:20
Christopher Gronski
That's called involuntary. you know You're not choosing involuntary servitude.
00:16:23
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:16:25
Christopher Gronski
now that's Now, I'm generalizing that most jurisdictions would have those two concepts as being illegal. So when you look at your income tax, either the government is violating the law,
00:16:39
Christopher Gronski
which honestly they're not, okay? I mean, there may be a government that is, of course. You know, we know human trafficking goes on in the world, of course. um But generally speaking, ah a just or a democracy or a constitutional republic, they're basing it upon the rule of law.
00:16:58
Christopher Gronski
So if those things are illegal and there's an income tax, there must, by sheer logic, there must be a choice somewhere.
00:17:09
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:17:10
Christopher Gronski
And so taxes are never are never voluntary. Let me just state that. And there's people who think that the income tax is voluntary. But it's that's not the voluntary nature of the income tax because all taxes, without exception, are collected under pain of death, without exception.
Types of U.S. Citizenship and Tax Implications
00:17:30
Christopher Gronski
OK, that means if you choose not to pay a tax, they're going to come after you. They're going to compel you. They may arrest you. They may charge you. They may imprison you. If you try to escape or something, they may shoot you and kill you in order to impose their that will on you.
00:17:48
Christopher Gronski
So the idea of that is, you know, That's why all taxes are collected you know under pain of death. Even if it's a small tax, if you're choosing not to pay it, then there there may be resistance and they're going to compel you to pay it. So all that stuff is is part of of how that happens. So what is the choice? In America, the choice is the kind of citizenship you're claiming. Okay.
00:18:14
Christopher Gronski
Okay. So the idea when I, so when you say United States citizen, people don't realize that the definition of the term United States has multiple definitions.
00:18:26
Christopher Gronski
In the 1945 Hooven case, that's a Supreme Court case, they define the term United States having three separate and distinct meanings. One of the definitions of the United States is the federal government.
00:18:39
Christopher Gronski
ah The name of the United States federal government is called the United States, not the United States of America, it's just called the United States. In the tax code, the definition of the term United States is the District of Columbia, which is Washington, D.C.,
00:18:54
Christopher Gronski
Also, the definition in the tax code of the word state is also the District of Columbia. Okay. And so this is, you can see this in the tax code. So if you, if someone asked me, are you a United States citizen? I don't really know how to answer that unless I know what definition they're using.
00:19:14
Christopher Gronski
Because what, like I say, i am a United States citizen and I'm not a United States citizen. Both those are true. It depends on the definition or it's like, your it all depends on the definition of United States, you know?
00:19:28
Christopher Gronski
So, um, But that that is the truth.
00:19:28
Christian Yordanov
uh,
00:19:31
Christopher Gronski
And so most of the paperwork we do, we we clarify that and and demonstrate that. Okay. So in the United States Constitution, in Article 4, Section 2, it says that the citizens of of the, let's if I can quote that exactly, of the, I think I'm going to misquote it,
00:19:57
Christopher Gronski
um
00:20:00
Christopher Gronski
I think it's all, I'm going to misquote, I should, I don't know if I'll, I'll blow it off. But anyway, it says, it makes reference to citizens of the states and and citizens of the United States.
00:20:06
Christian Yordanov
Mm hmm.
00:20:14
Christopher Gronski
um And they're entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states. That's what it says. And that's when the Constitution was written originally, which was in the okay? Okay.
00:20:25
Christopher Gronski
okay The 14th Amendment was ratified, or I don't believe it was ratified, but the 14th Amendment of the Constitution was allegedly ratified in 1868. Okay.
00:20:37
Christopher Gronski
okay And so that created a statutory citizen subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And the IRS and the State Department define U.S. citizenship by the 14th Amendment. Okay.
00:20:51
Christopher Gronski
So there was a citizenship before the 14th Amendment, and that is the state citizens, the only kind of citizens there were. And and so so to understand that, you you know if you look at Europe, nobody would believe that Europe's a country, you know the country of Europe.
00:21:06
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:07
Christopher Gronski
you know Nobody says that. you know Nobody's standing outside with their hand on their heart pledging allegiance to the European flag. You know, they're not that stupid.
00:21:16
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:21:18
Christopher Gronski
We do in America. They do that crap all the time. but But see, nobody thinks of Europe as a country.
00:21:21
Christian Yordanov
mad.
00:21:24
Christopher Gronski
They recognize that those states are countries. Okay. So, you know, the Italian is from Italy, of course. And is he a European?
00:21:35
Christopher Gronski
Well, sure, he's European, but he doesn't claim that.
00:21:36
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:39
Christopher Gronski
he's not They're not all saying, yeah, we're all Europeans. I know the European Union would love that. Maybe they maybe they create some kind of statutory citizen despite the countries that establish their own citizens, okay?
00:21:53
Christopher Gronski
But in America, contrary to popular belief, America is ah is a union of states. They're the united.
00:22:04
Christopher Gronski
Not so much these days, but they're the United States of America. And so that is what we are. These are free and independent countries. And if you want to know that, if you read the Declaration of Independence, you see that these are separate countries.
00:22:21
Christopher Gronski
I'm from, I live in the country of New Hampshire. It's not Massachusetts, it's not New York, it's not Florida, it's New Hampshire. We have our own judiciary, we have our own legislature, we have our own executive branch. We have a state department that deals with international affairs. It's a member of the Hague Convention like these other states in the world are.
00:22:46
Christopher Gronski
So you see, but we don't practice that. We're part of a federal propaganda to think that America is a country. I mistakenly say refer to America as a country, too.
00:22:56
Christopher Gronski
It's ingrained in us.
00:22:57
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:22:59
Christopher Gronski
It's that way.
00:22:59
Christian Yordanov
Amazing.
00:23:00
Christopher Gronski
But that's not that's not legally what is true.
00:23:00
Christian Yordanov
That is absolutely amazing.
00:23:04
Christopher Gronski
And so most people don't understand the relationship between their states and their union government. Canada is not a country. Canada is a union of states. Quebec is Quebec, and they are not, um you know, what some of those other ones? They're not, no you know, they're not, a what is the, I'll think of another question. They're not British Columbia. Those are all separate countries. But these these union governments want to blend it. And so Canadians may be filling out forms as Canadians when that's really not that what they want to be.
00:23:42
Christopher Gronski
And so if you're claiming yourself to be a Canadian, maybe you're subject to that union government, just like people are in America. And that's, I believe, the way it is in Australia.
00:23:50
Christian Yordanov
And can I just briefly...
00:23:53
Christopher Gronski
And I believe that's also the way it is in the UK. The UK is not a country. It's a union. It's a kingdom, if you will, of countries.
00:24:04
Christopher Gronski
England's a country. Scotland's a country. Ireland's a country.
00:24:09
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah can I briefly ask because there was some talk of like one of the I suppose are they called provinces in Canada ah seed seceding seceding um so but then if they're let's say potentially you going to hold a referendum to secede are they just seceding from the Union of Canada is that what they would be doing
00:24:09
Christopher Gronski
That's the way it is. Yeah.
00:24:20
Christopher Gronski
Succeeding.
00:24:32
Christopher Gronski
That's correct. um Some, and you know, in depending on the jurisdiction, people don't realize that, that how powerful a vote is now, usually in a situation like that, many times they require what they call a super majority.
00:24:51
Christopher Gronski
So it isn't 51 votes on something as important as that even ratifying the constitution many times It may be two thirds or three quarters of a vote.
00:25:02
Christopher Gronski
It has to be a some kind of super majority for something as powerful, because on some level you're compelling other people, you know, to be in a situation.
00:25:06
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:25:13
Christopher Gronski
But but you have to remember, as bad as that is, when you're compelling other people. These are people who choose to live with other people that may or may not believe the same things they believe. And then they get to choose they get a choice to not participate on some level and what that may or may not look like.
00:25:32
Christopher Gronski
they And there's all kinds of ways that people can get along and not violate anybody when these things play out. okay so um to join a union of any sort,
00:25:48
Christopher Gronski
requires a vote. Now, ah lets let's say, like you were saying, what was that? Was that British Columbia were you were mentioning?
00:25:56
Christian Yordanov
I wasn't sure which one it was, but I heard something.
00:25:58
Christopher Gronski
oh But let's say they wanted to become a state of America because they're right off off of America there.
00:26:04
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:26:05
Christopher Gronski
They border um you know the United States. Then they would have to vote that they would want that. And then they would have to request our Congress, which ah allegedly represents the rest of the union, and they would have to agree to have them join their union.
00:26:25
Christopher Gronski
Why is that? Because you see, there is no such thing as a, ver there's no one has the right of association. You cannot say, i you know you will be with me. You can't compel association on everyone. It's a privilege. You can ask to associate with someone or a group of people. You cannot compel yourself. So this is why some people think that they have a right to travel anywhere in the world that they want.
00:26:55
Christopher Gronski
You don't have that right. Because people can say, we don't want you here. We don't like Jews. We don't like Muslims. We don't like Christians. We don't like communists. We don't like, and so, ah um you know, in a just society, they can say, we want our representatives to make sure our borders are secure, whatever that is.
00:27:19
Christopher Gronski
So people have a right to do that. okay Now, in a certain you know you may have a you may have a right to peaceably assemble. That's not the same thing as a right of association.
00:27:31
Christopher Gronski
Now, what the Declaration of Independence starts off with, it says, when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them to another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them.
00:27:32
Christian Yordanov
make it.
00:27:54
Christopher Gronski
That's what they're doing in Canada. They're saying, we're done with you. You have no right to compel me to be with you. We get restraining orders on people like that.
00:28:08
Christian Yordanov
Mmm. Mmm.
00:28:09
Christopher Gronski
So anyone can say, we are done with you like the British did with Brexit. they were They were sick and tired of the European Union. We said we're done.
00:28:21
Christopher Gronski
And so maybe that's the way, you know, you know, those the people in Canada want to be. And every state. Now, in America, when the Civil War, the South was leaving the Union, they were going to go to war to keep a union together. How dare you? Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant. He wasn't a good guy. You can't compel people to stay in a union. Now, they didn't need to have the Civil War or create another citizenship to protect those people that were enslaved against their will. The Constitution already protected them. They just had to recognize that black people were people, and they didn't do that.
00:29:05
Christopher Gronski
They gave them a special kind of citizen subject to the jurisdiction thereof. So they the federal government moved them from being enslaved to having a kinder, gentler master.
00:29:19
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:29:20
Christopher Gronski
That's what really occurred. And now they blended all the other Americans into that servitude as well. And that's what's historically happened. so So that's what occurs. And so people have to realize that that you can vote yourself away from people.
00:29:38
Christopher Gronski
That's why the beauty of when a government or someone is punishing someone, the best punishment that it's nonviolent is exile.
00:29:49
Christopher Gronski
saying, you you're you've committed crimes against us, leave us. Exile is a peaceful solution, allows the person to leave. And then a just exile would say, and unless you fulfill this time or you fulfill this condition, we will welcome you back, but this is what has to happen. That also is a peaceful remedy.
00:30:13
Christopher Gronski
So.
00:30:14
Christian Yordanov
Okay, wow.
00:30:15
Christopher Gronski
thats So so that's that's ah you know that's how people look at the world. And and and anybody can do what I just described. that's That's a ah truth for me.
00:30:23
Christian Yordanov
So let yeah, let let's maybe, you said something earlier, I'm i'm hoping I heard you right. i think you said if you become a state citizen, that does away with the federal tax, but apparently that also does away with the state tax. Is that right?
00:30:41
Christopher Gronski
Yeah, and and the thing about it is is that it's not that, see, most people that are the citizens of the states are state citizens already because state citizenship is based on habitation and domicile.
00:30:55
Christopher Gronski
And so that's that's how someone um is a state citizen, because that's where they would have their habitation domicile. It's not residency.
00:31:05
Christopher Gronski
Residency is transient and sometimes has time timelines on them um Habitation domicile is that place you intend to return to. You can travel the world for years and come back to your original habitation domicile. You can maintain your habitation and domicile. So that's how they're state citizens.
00:31:27
Christopher Gronski
um Most people are federal citizens by choice. They fill out forms. They agreed to being a US citizen on paper. Most aliens that are in America are actually not resident aliens.
00:31:43
Christopher Gronski
They're actually not residing in the United States District of Columbia. Most aliens that are in America are actually non-resident aliens because they're not residing in the District Columbia.
00:31:56
Christopher Gronski
They're only doing that on paper. and so a non-resident alien doesn't have an income tax liability so most aliens in america don't have an income tax liability and can do those those things as well it's almost impossible for someone to do
The Benefits of Self-Employment and State Sovereignty
00:32:12
Christopher Gronski
take a tax stand while being employed because these corporations they choose to be in the district of columbia and so they impose these things on these employees that's why we want people to work their own jobs and do their own businesses, it's much easier to do these processes.
00:32:26
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:32:31
Christian Yordanov
Okay, so that yeah, that's the thing. I think if if you, let's say, and maybe we can kind of unpack what that looks like for people, but if you were to try to do this and then you tell them, because you know you get your your wages or your salaries garnished with the taxes type thing. So you can't tell your, let's say you work for Amazon or whatever.
00:32:50
Christian Yordanov
can Guys, you know you're going to have to stop you know taking 42% or whatever it is for my salary every month because I'm kind of becoming state citizen. They'll probably fire you or something like that.
00:32:59
Christopher Gronski
Yeah, probably.
00:33:00
Christian Yordanov
so just get Yeah.
00:33:01
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:01
Christopher Gronski
you have You would have to say, and a lot of companies will do this, most corporations have vendors in which they contract, and then the contractor's responsible for their own taxes and their own filing.
00:33:10
Christian Yordanov
yeah
00:33:15
Christopher Gronski
They don't take care of them like employee like an employee. There's no insurance that way. The contractor's really responsible for themselves. So if the company's important enough to you,
00:33:28
Christopher Gronski
And if you're important enough to the company, you can contract. And yes, all corporations have contractors, but some, but the kind of job you might be doing for the company might not be that important for them to want to contract with you.
00:33:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah,
00:33:42
Christopher Gronski
They just want to hire an employee because they can manage their time and blah, blah, blah.
00:33:47
Christian Yordanov
yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:47
Christopher Gronski
So, cause there's a lot more freedom for a contractor, but we now help our clients to navigate that space and see some people, You know, it this isn't for everyone because, you know, you're we're talking about a lifestyle of being responsible for yourself.
00:34:05
Christopher Gronski
You're responsible for creating your own wealth, responsible for your time, responsible for, um you know, how you're going to serve your clients. And so that's that's a different kind of work.
00:34:18
Christian Yordanov
it's work it's work yeah
00:34:19
Christopher Gronski
But it's okay. you know It's doable and you can learn it. it doesn't take um it doesn't It really doesn't take a lot of intelligence to do that. And then a lot of people don't really understand. They say, oh, I could never work for myself. I don't have the money to work for myself. There's no such thing as that.
00:34:39
Christopher Gronski
yeah There's no such thing as that I have to have money to start a business. Even if you wanted to start some sort of an online store, you don't even have to own or buy merchandise.
00:34:53
Christopher Gronski
The systems are so well done, you can literally be selling whatever you want online, right?
00:34:55
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:35:00
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:35:00
Christopher Gronski
And you can have relationships with whoever the manufacturer is and have them drop ship the item. You're paid up front, you pay and they ship and you never even have to touch the merchandise.
00:35:12
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah,
00:35:13
Christopher Gronski
That is astonishing that you can do a business that way of whatever you choose to do. You can do the website of the best things I love. And that's what you sell everything that you think you're crazy about and you sign up your website and you promote it all and you explain it and you create these relationships with these manufacturers and do your own thing.
00:35:25
Christian Yordanov
yeah. yeah
00:35:37
Christian Yordanov
There's a million businesses you could do that. And so many boring businesses make, you know, millions a year, cutting cuttington lawns, cleaning pools, whatever.
00:35:37
Christopher Gronski
That's just the start.
00:35:48
Christian Yordanov
So there it in it is, i think once you get into the whole freedom sort of mindset, you you just want to create, know,
00:35:48
Christopher Gronski
Yeah.
00:35:59
Christian Yordanov
just separation between, of course, yourself and the state, but also like we we discussed already but between yourself and the this medical mafia. And then it it just, then you want to have, not be dependent on the the stores for everything at all times. So I think your job, your income,
00:36:18
Christian Yordanov
That logically should be one of the first places you look at because that actually creates a lot of freedom for one. And I think that's what we all are all here looking for is more freedom.
00:36:23
Christopher Gronski
It does.
00:36:26
Christian Yordanov
and But with like they say, with great freedom, come or amazeze was it with great power?
00:36:32
Christopher Gronski
Responsibility.
00:36:32
Christian Yordanov
But similar with freedom, yeah, it comes a lot of responsibility.
00:36:35
Christopher Gronski
Yeah.
00:36:35
Christian Yordanov
So we have to grow up, put the big big boy pants on, big girl pants on, get after it.
00:36:39
Christopher Gronski
That's right.
00:36:41
Christopher Gronski
Well, no, that's exactly right. And see, um when you're doing legal work in any sort, you know, when we're navigating a space we've never been in. You see, the principle is the more responsibility you take on for yourself, your family, your neighborhood, your your community, the freer you become.
00:37:01
Christopher Gronski
That's the pathway of freedom is through responsibility. And most people, like these countries separating from Canada or or seceding and all that stuff, the thing that really holds them back is not that they don't they don't like the tyranny, but most of the time,
00:37:20
Christopher Gronski
They're addicted to what the government gives them. And so they're on the government teat. And so they they can't separate because they they don't they can't take care of themselves. What am I going to do without my Social Security? What do I do without my Medicaid and Medicare? what do i you know Someone would say to me, you know what do you do about you know medical insurance?
00:37:42
Christopher Gronski
I was like, ah, it's overrated. It's like, what are you talking about? Well, let me just ask you, okay? Let's say you had insurance. Insurance going to pay for chemo. It's going to pay for big pharma. It's going to pay for cutting out the effect. It's going to promote the medical community.
00:37:59
Christopher Gronski
That's what they're going to choose to pay for.
00:38:00
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:38:01
Christopher Gronski
So if you get sick, is that the pathway you're going to go? Oh, no, i i want to do health things and all that stuff. I said, so look, you that's not going to be a good relationship for you. So listen, how much do you want to pay?
00:38:14
Christopher Gronski
how much you want to pay in your premium for your ideal medical insurance. ah You know, whatever, a couple hundred dollars. Well, great. Well, here's what you can do. Look, take take that 200 a month and start buying gold right now or put it in Bitcoin or some cryptocurrency or something.
00:38:33
Christopher Gronski
So it's now in your control. Now you're not paying a premium. You have it. And so as long as you're staying healthy, you're never going to use it. But this thing can start to grow for you and you can start to have this asset.
00:38:45
Christopher Gronski
Oh, I broke my leg. Well, I've already got that saved up, you know, all this. That's the discipline, the responsibility.
00:38:50
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:38:51
Christopher Gronski
And so you can grow that way because most of us have already decided If I ever got cancer, I'm never doing chemo. I will have to do the thing I don't want to do, and that's take care of myself. There's already remedies for that stuff. Don't, you know, it's already there. This thing is not designed to give you health. So if that's where your head's at, then be responsible and build the cash. But let me tell you, medical care in America is free.
00:39:23
Christopher Gronski
You break your leg and they bring an ambulance. They're going to take you to the hospital emergency room. They're going to put you in a cast and you're going to have a bill. See, now you don't have a premium. Just pay your bill. or How much you want to pay?
00:39:36
Christopher Gronski
Whatever you want. They didn't contract with you. So you come in and say, listen, all I can pay is $20 a month. They're happy with that.
00:39:45
Christian Yordanov
really
00:39:45
Christopher Gronski
And every hospital has charity that you could request. And I'm not suggesting take the tax, you know, the tax charity because that's not really charity. But they all have charities and funds that will cover you if you really don't have the money.
00:40:00
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:40:01
Christopher Gronski
But you can be responsible and say, look, I'm going to pay $20 a month and I'll pay my $5,000 bill. as long as you want, as long as you're making payments, it'll never go to debt collection. And so that's beautiful. You never have to pay interest on that.
00:40:16
Christopher Gronski
Everywhere you can do that. You get knocked out, you're at the emergency room, rack up your bill. Now, the nice thing about racking up the bill is you get to scrutinize the bill and say, well, I didn't pay for that. I didn't pay for that. I didn't, you know, I didn't do that. I didn't do that. And you can whittle down your bill to really what you paid for.
00:40:33
Christopher Gronski
you know what you did.
00:40:33
Christian Yordanov
Crazy stuff.
00:40:34
Christopher Gronski
But so but they screw insurance companies all the time.
00:40:34
Christian Yordanov
It's amazing.
00:40:38
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:40:38
Christopher Gronski
You know, I remember when I broke my ankle and I was going to the emergency room, getting ready go into surgery and the anesthesiologist came up to me and he says, I notice your self pay.
00:40:49
Christopher Gronski
I said, yeah. He says, well, do you want to save some money because I can give you new drugs or old drugs? I'm like, well, what's the difference? He says, well, new drugs are very good. They have high royalties on them and they're more expensive.
00:41:04
Christopher Gronski
But sodium pentothal, we've been using for years. It's really cheap. If you want to go that way, we can do that. I'm like, well, thanks a lot. I saved several thousand dollars with just doing sodium pentothal.
00:41:16
Christopher Gronski
I didn't, know I just knocked out. They did the surgery.
00:41:18
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:41:20
Christopher Gronski
What a beautiful choice.
00:41:20
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:23
Christian Yordanov
Amazing, man.
00:41:23
Christopher Gronski
and And also, many times you can have a cheaper rate if you're paying cash.
00:41:29
Christian Yordanov
Amazing.
00:41:30
Christopher Gronski
So this is all already here. and And so you just have to have the courage to say, like, look, I'm going to do something different. But the beauty...
00:41:38
Christian Yordanov
come for the Come for the tax advice.
00:41:39
Christopher Gronski
yeah yeah
00:41:40
Christian Yordanov
Get medical advice while you're at it You're welcome, folks.
00:41:43
Christopher Gronski
Well, again, this this is this is part of freedom that people don't realize is available to them.
00:41:48
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:41:49
Christopher Gronski
It's really creative when when you realize that that you can make other choices and you are the power holder. You can make these decisions. Now, we also help clients discharge debt.
00:42:00
Christopher Gronski
So we have so some of our clients will come with lots of credit card debt and we immediately eliminate it. our Our debt discharge class is 1776.
00:42:11
Christopher Gronski
That's what we charge for that. And and so um and as soon as you begin the process, you're no longer paying that those those central bankers for that unsecured debt.
00:42:23
Christopher Gronski
And so we're talking about that if you've been paying out five hundred, a thousand dollars a month, that's an immediate pay raise by cutting out the central banker from what you're doing.
00:42:33
Christian Yordanov
and And that's 1776 for that service, just just in case, because you glitched out when you said it.
00:42:33
Christopher Gronski
You have to learn to be solvent.
00:42:39
Christopher Gronski
Yeah.
00:42:39
Christian Yordanov
I hope it's in the recording.
00:42:41
Christopher Gronski
I'll say, yeah, that's a workshop.
00:42:41
Christian Yordanov
So folks, 1776 to get, if you're in the USA, to get your credit card debt eliminated. that right?
00:42:50
Christopher Gronski
Eliminated, eliminated. Yes. And that's for clients. Okay.
00:42:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
00:42:54
Christopher Gronski
That's not, we don't do that for non-clients.
00:42:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. You don't just come in and, yeah, of course, course, you have to be a client.
00:42:58
Christopher Gronski
No, no. The reason that we don't is is because federal citizens, they have an income tax liability.
00:42:59
Christian Yordanov
so
00:43:04
Christopher Gronski
So the bankers will have no problem discharging with the debt, but then they will pass it on to the IRS like this is a gift. So you were in $300,000 debt.
00:43:15
Christopher Gronski
Now you've gotten gift and now you have to pay taxes on that.
00:43:15
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
00:43:20
Christopher Gronski
So we don't want to, you know, our clients aren't federal citizens, so we don't want to have them create a tax liability. Because listen, the the the IRS and the central bankers work together. But the beauty of it is for our clients, our American clients, is imagine the difference in your in your the money you're making when you eliminate your income tax liability, both state and federal, and your debt,
00:43:45
Christopher Gronski
You've now given yourself a 30, 40, almost a 50% increase without anything extra, just from not paying these central bankers their share.
00:43:53
Christian Yordanov
That's crazy,
00:43:57
Christopher Gronski
And listen, the income tax doesn't go to run the government. It goes to transfer payments and interest payments on the debt. So this is why politicians want you have a job is because they're they're serving the central bankers, and that's where your labor is going to is central bankers.
00:44:18
Christian Yordanov
To of the lizard people.
00:44:20
Christopher Gronski
Yeah, the desert people. Yeah, so that's that's ah that's what's happening. so and and and you know Credit, that you know that's what ah credit card debt is. It's unsecured debt. there's no There's no title, none of that. We deal with mortgages differently. You can deal with some of that in the same fashion, but you you have to really look at what they actually have for evidence. So this is a huge financial win for clients. And then and then here's the other thing is for the the crypto communities, you know, at some point they're going to have huge gains and such as that. If they're a federal citizen, they'll have to they'll have capital gains tax. And if you think that Monero is going to save you from capital gains, you're kidding yourself because the thing about it is they don't have to have your Monero. If they have any idea that you've had gains of some sort,
00:45:18
Christopher Gronski
They can even ask you, you know, you and you don't have to disclose that you have crypto. But if they determine that you have an asset, they can hold you in contempt and put you in prison for contempt, even though they don't have it.
00:45:29
Christian Yordanov
Oh, man.
00:45:31
Christopher Gronski
So many people will make the payment just so that they're not in prison for contempt. So even though they can't get to your crypto, they still can hold you in contempt.
00:45:36
Christian Yordanov
And can I... Yeah.
00:45:41
Christian Yordanov
Can I ask what would happen? Because if it is an alleged just government that doesn't allow for slavery and involuntary servitude, if, let's say, the IRS go after and um um a US citizen, can't I mean, I know obviously they're going deal with getting whatever potentially arrested or was subpoenaed, but can't they then fight based on, i'm not as youre i'm not you're not my master, I'm not your slave, this is involuntary servitude, I'm not giving you anything.
00:45:57
Christopher Gronski
Well,
00:46:12
Christian Yordanov
Can't they go that route as another option or is it probably just going to be
Alternatives in Healthcare and Responsible Choices
00:46:18
Christopher Gronski
well It's more difficult when they're they're bringing to court and they're dealing with you in that way. It's not involuntary servitude because it's a choice.
00:46:18
Christian Yordanov
hell on earth doing that?
00:46:28
Christopher Gronski
You just don't know it's a choice. So they're not they're not violating the Constitution. They're not violating you. You're the one that empowers the federal government with the paper you're submitting. Everybody's filling out this paperwork as true and correct under penalty of perjury.
00:46:42
Christopher Gronski
So it's like this is not there. They're not harming you. You're harming you. You're filling out bad paperwork. They're victims of your testimony.
00:46:53
Christopher Gronski
You can make that change.
00:46:54
Christian Yordanov
What if you haven't filed for that year?
00:46:55
Christopher Gronski
So but it's more difficult. It's more difficult when you're in in court because most people that are that are in in tax court will pretty much say and do anything to get out of that.
00:47:08
Christopher Gronski
And the IRS knows that. So that's not really helpful that that to begin this process when you're in tax court.
00:47:10
Christian Yordanov
Gotcha.
00:47:16
Christopher Gronski
You want to do this stuff when you don't have these problems. It's much better.
00:47:20
Christian Yordanov
Sure.
00:47:20
Christopher Gronski
i I was helping someone talking to a client today that was having state and tax issues before they came on with me. And not only are we having to help them communicate with these jurisdictions about the truth of it,
00:47:37
Christopher Gronski
he have We have to undo the bad remedies that he was employing as if he thought that that was the way to go, that these governments are saying that that that type of work is frivolous.
00:47:51
Christopher Gronski
So, you know, not everything is true. and And some of these arguments are frivolous. And they're certainly frivolous for federal citizens. So you can't be a federal citizen and take the position of the definition of income, the 16th Amendment, that it's involuntary servitude.
00:48:10
Christopher Gronski
All of that's frivolous for federal citizens and these resident aliens.
00:48:14
Christian Yordanov
and And so if you if you don't file a return with the IRS, can they still do something?
00:48:15
Christopher Gronski
So...
00:48:24
Christopher Gronski
Certainly, if if you're employed and you're paying in every you know every week, they see that money flowing in. If you're not filing a return, that's a breakdown.
00:48:35
Christopher Gronski
They're going to file a return on your behalf. You're not going to get any write-offs, and then they're going to garnish your wages.
00:48:38
Christian Yordanov
Oh.
00:48:41
Christopher Gronski
So that's just how the system works.
00:48:43
Christian Yordanov
Damn, man.
00:48:44
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:48:44
Christopher Gronski
so but if you're But if you're doing it on your own, even if you don't do our processes, the reality is if you just look at the statistics,
00:48:53
Christopher Gronski
you're less likely to have problems with the IRS if you're not filing than you are if you do, if you are filing. And so even if you're doing nothing and you're not filing, and there's a lot of people that say, I haven't filed for 10 years or 20 years, you know it's not likely the IRS is going to pursue them. But many of those people don't have jobs, or if they do have a job,
00:49:17
Christopher Gronski
And they're paying in more, you know, they're paying into IRS more than what they would get for write-offs. IRS, that algorithm is not going to be prosecuted because you're paying and and you're not even really, you would end up getting a tax return. They know those numbers. The computers have those numbers. And so they're not going to go looking for a return.
00:49:40
Christian Yordanov
yeah yeah
00:49:41
Christopher Gronski
If they're paying, if if it's, you know, if there's a win on their side, that's just the way that it plays out.
00:49:45
Christian Yordanov
sure it has to make sense financially to pursue somebody of course yeah yeah okay so can you keep for the listeners just what does it look like starting this process uh with you guys actually you know the letter just give us a breakdown if you can please
00:49:48
Christopher Gronski
Yeah. Correct.
00:50:00
Christopher Gronski
Yeah. Well, most of the time people will go, they want to determine what is the basis of of what we're doing. We have a class, a foundational class called State versus Federal Citizenship, the Unknown Choice. And that's it's a video class. it got It's about five or six videos.
00:50:17
Christopher Gronski
about six hours, and it'll tell you who has an income tax liability. It'll show you that it's constitutional. It'll show you that that it is that it's not involuntary servitude. You have a choice. It'll talk about citizenship and where that came from. So that's a foundational class that people can choose. But if they're already on board, they can just reach out to us. Go to destinationfreedom.org, and they can sign up for the passport process. That's how we begin it.
00:50:45
Christopher Gronski
We do a process with the State Department where we have documents that we submit with the passport application. We reject that 14th Amendment citizen. We establish their state citizenship.
00:50:57
Christopher Gronski
And then once we get the passport booking card, we'll do a FOIA request where we'll get certified copies of your passport file, wedding
Achieving Tax Freedom and State Citizenship
00:51:07
Christopher Gronski
signature signed by the Secretary of the United States, which is Mark Rubio right now.
00:51:11
Christopher Gronski
So we get those certified documents. You can use those in court if you ever needed to use them in court.
00:51:13
Christian Yordanov
Wow. Wow.
00:51:18
Christopher Gronski
And so that's the process, the beginning process. And then we have other workshops that help clients, you know, secure their liberty freedom and be congruent in their driver's license applications, voting applications, jury, you know, questionnaires. Sometimes when you're doing real estate transactions, because see, our clients don't have capital gains tax.
00:51:41
Christopher Gronski
There's no. So when you sell your house, you're not paying out capital gains. You don't have to buy another house.
00:51:45
Christian Yordanov
That's a federal tax.
00:51:47
Christopher Gronski
Huh?
00:51:47
Christian Yordanov
That's a federal tax.
00:51:49
Christopher Gronski
That's a federal tax. And some states have those things. Again, it's based on income. So the idea is our clients don't have that. You can sell property and then there is no capital gains.
00:52:01
Christopher Gronski
That's huge return on investments for that stuff.
00:52:01
Christian Yordanov
Wow.
00:52:04
Christopher Gronski
And so will we have a lot of personalized service.
00:52:04
Christian Yordanov
Man.
00:52:07
Christopher Gronski
I work with clients directly. And so, you know, if you have a larger company, will we you can contract with us. We will help you navigate that space.
00:52:19
Christopher Gronski
We'll set up and do those processes within a year. We'll help renegotiate employee relationships and stuff like that. All your vendors will pull you out of the out of this federal government so that you can come out of the public and but and into the private.
00:52:36
Christian Yordanov
du that I cannot honestly, if you're in in the US or in a state in the union, let's just say probably more correctly, i cannot think of more important of a thing to be looking into than this, honestly.
00:52:45
Christopher Gronski
There you
00:52:54
Christopher Gronski
And you know, the thing is, is that this is not a rep it's not a revolution, it's not tax resistance. We agree with the IRS who has a tax liability. Let me state for the record, federal income taxes are required for all US citizens, regardless of where they live, that's worldwide, and resident aliens.
00:53:14
Christopher Gronski
Those rules apply to them. And so that's the truth. And so if you're claiming to be U.S. 14th Amendment citizen, you have an income tax liability. Be sure to file and pay your taxes. But if that's not you, if you're not choosing federal citizenship, you can choose your citizenship of your state. You're not going to have those liabilities.
00:53:35
Christopher Gronski
We've been doing this for 30 years. I don't have one client that's done our processes that's having trouble with the IRS. Not one.
00:53:45
Christian Yordanov
Holy cow.
00:53:46
Christopher Gronski
So I would love to um to hook up with you now. Now tonight at at ah eight o'clock on this particular night, this is a Wednesday. We have an open call. ah You can go to the Destination Freedom website and on the home page, if you scroll down a little bit on the left, you'll see the links for that live call. You can ask all the questions you want.
00:54:08
Christopher Gronski
um And so that's available. Our clients have an earlier call, but that's not upon request and that's a closed call for just clients. But but there's a lot of hand holding. This is a peaceful process. And even if we're dealing with the IRS for someone who has IRS troubles, the beauty of that is they can just give us their documents. We write all those responses. They don't have to worry about these things. We know where the IRS is going to go.
00:54:35
Christopher Gronski
People have sent our documents to IRS. IRS doesn't have problems with our documents. This is a peaceful process. It's the unknown choice and you can make a better choice for yourself.
00:54:47
Christian Yordanov
I'm just curious, just thinking out loud here, if a person, let's for example, let's say I'm Bulgarian, if I want to become a state citizen of, let's say, of New Hampshire or something like that, can you do that?
00:54:49
Christopher Gronski
Hmm. Hmm.
00:55:03
Christopher Gronski
Hmm.
00:55:05
Christopher Gronski
Yeah.
00:55:08
Christopher Gronski
We're in the process of working on naturalization in our state. um We're working on that in New Hampshire. I'm right now writing a Supreme Court pleading because we've already presented documents with the court. It is a power that the states have.
00:55:24
Christopher Gronski
How do I know that? In the Constitution, the U.S. Constitution, the power that's been delegated to the federal government by the states, because the states created the federal government, the power that has been delegated to them is in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. You can read the power that's delegated to them.
00:55:44
Christopher Gronski
okay One of those powers is to have ah to to come up with a uniform rule of naturalization in the states. Immigration is not a power that's been delegated to the federal government. The word immigration doesn't show up in the Constitution.
00:56:05
Christopher Gronski
The federal government is immigrating people into their jurisdiction. That's why there's so much trouble. OK, immigration is a state power. The Tenth Amendment of the Constitution says the power not delegated to the United States by the Constitution is reserved to the states and the people.
00:56:24
Christopher Gronski
So whatever power not delegated to the federal government in the Constitution in Article I, Section 8 belongs to the states. And that's what immigration Immigration is a state power, not a federal power. They're immigrating into the United States District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Isles, America, Samoa.
00:56:45
Christopher Gronski
That's what they're really doing. And on paper, they're bringing everybody into their jurisdiction on paper because the in the immigration laws, the term United States is also the District of Columbia.
00:56:58
Christian Yordanov
Okay, wow. Because I really want to go to the States, but the the whole visa application process for...
00:57:04
Christopher Gronski
Yeah.
00:57:06
Christian Yordanov
Because, again, I'm Bulgarian, and I just know i have friends over the the last 20 years that have ah done the whole visa application process to go to the you know to get a whatever 10-year tourist visa.
00:57:12
Christopher Gronski
Yeah. But see, and those visas are not into the States. Apply for your visa in New Hampshire if you're going to come to New Hampshire.
00:57:21
Christian Yordanov
They're into...
00:57:25
Christian Yordanov
Well, but but that that's what I was going to say is like that process is so like they want every single address, every single employer that you you you know you've had and probably even like letters of reference.
00:57:35
Christian Yordanov
So like.
00:57:36
Christopher Gronski
It's a financial thing. It's bad.
00:57:39
Christian Yordanov
yeah Yeah, that's the thing.
00:57:39
Christopher Gronski
It's bad because it's not always been that way.
00:57:40
Christian Yordanov
Right.
00:57:42
Christopher Gronski
The naturalization process is you um you make your declaration and then you just submit those documents in court.
00:57:53
Christopher Gronski
Okay.
00:57:53
Christian Yordanov
right
00:57:53
Christopher Gronski
Now, when you're talking about a visa, Usually what would happen is somebody in that state or country, if you would, would be your sponsor. They would be completely responsible for you.
00:58:06
Christopher Gronski
But the federal government, when someone has a certain kind of visa, you're setting up a financial agreement because they're going to have you pay the federal government a piece of your living because you're setting up a financial relationship with the federal government, i.e.
00:58:22
Christopher Gronski
the central bankers. That's really what visas are about.
00:58:25
Christian Yordanov
Oh.
00:58:27
Christopher Gronski
is making money for the federal government.
00:58:27
Christian Yordanov
Those sneaky scumbags, dude.
00:58:31
Christopher Gronski
Yeah, because most of the time when you're coming into doing a visa, you don't usually hire an attorney to make sure your rights aren't violated.
00:58:32
Christian Yordanov
Sneaky, sneaky.
00:58:38
Christopher Gronski
And most of these attorneys don't understand federal jurisdiction and its limitations. So they're not very, you know, even a immigration attorney is not very knowledgeable about the constitution and the limitations of government.
00:58:53
Christopher Gronski
Many attorneys are taught that federal law trumps state law.
00:58:54
Christian Yordanov
Oh.
00:58:57
Christopher Gronski
That's false.
00:58:59
Christian Yordanov
Okay, so, but if I get a visa with New Hampshire, could I then go to other states or would i have to get a ah visa for every state?
00:59:08
Christopher Gronski
No, you would be able to ingress and regress from each state. Well, it would be like this. it would the relationship would be like let's say you wanted to go to the netherlands okay you would apply for a visa in the netherlands you wouldn't go to the european union and apply for ah a visa in europe maybe they have that where you can go anywhere in europe because they have a union maybe you have to look at how that looks that immigration law but these states in europe are usually pretty sovereign and so they have their own immigration processes now if you Another state in Europe might be okay with you visiting them because your but documents might say you're residing in the Netherlands.
00:59:32
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:51
Christian Yordanov
Mm, mm,
00:59:52
Christopher Gronski
Now, they're very used to that kind of stuff because they're more sovereign with respect to each other. In the states, the state governments are pretty ignorant about their liberty and freedom because where are they going learn about these things?
01:00:05
Christian Yordanov
course.
01:00:05
Christopher Gronski
Because they went to school, they went to whatever they did, and they're not taught that. All of them believe that that America is the country. They don't realize these are separate jurisdictions.
01:00:18
Christopher Gronski
Some people in legal um fields understand the distinction between the federal government. i'll give you an example. In New Hampshire, they eliminated the vehicle inspections.
01:00:30
Christopher Gronski
And the company that was benefiting from inspections in New Hampshire sued New Hampshire in federal court saying it was a violation of the, of the what do they call that, emissions and you know federal um federal, what's the word we're looking for that? federal emissions laws and stuff like that. So the court was ordering New Hampshire to keep you know their their you know their inspections. And the state's like, bull crap.
01:01:03
Christopher Gronski
This is New Hampshire. This isn't the federal government. And so they took charge of it. and said, okay, we still have the program, and they just kept pushing off that, you know, the date that people are required to do it, that's in their power.
01:01:16
Christopher Gronski
So again, it's nonsense. So the state is having to square off with the federal government tell them to go pound sand.
01:01:21
Christian Yordanov
Amazing. jason
01:01:23
Christopher Gronski
If the state understood what I knew, then they would easily tell them to go screw themselves. And then, and it's easy to tell, listen, just because a judge rules on something means nothing.
01:01:38
Christopher Gronski
OK, the constitutions are governing the state and the federal government. So we don't recognize case law or any of that stuff. And so they just tell the state needs to grow some, you know, turn you know, in you know intestinal fortitude and be able to say to a court, you know, you're not going to enforce this here.
01:01:52
Christian Yordanov
Cojones. honestness
01:02:00
Christopher Gronski
You know, we our law enforcement are going to make sure our people are not violated. And see, that's one of the things that states don't do is have the word therefore. We're going to resolve this. This is what passes. Therefore, if the central government comes in and tries to enforce their will on us, we will prosecute those enforcers to the highest degree of, you know, the law.
01:02:25
Christopher Gronski
That's what states need to do more often. But the reason they don't is because the states are on the nipple of the federal government's breast.
01:02:34
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:02:35
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:02:35
Christopher Gronski
And so they're addicted to federal money.
01:02:37
Christopher Gronski
And that's some of the biggest problem of sovereignty is is people addicted to money and addicted to being irresponsible and servant you know servants to the central government.
01:02:51
Christopher Gronski
This is how the federal government will compel states to do certain things, otherwise they're going to pull back their privileges. and then that And look, if a state says, a state can be more sovereign if they'll just kick the money out, because the regulation and control goes as well.
01:03:10
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:03:11
Christopher Gronski
But again, they have to grow up. They have to be real men and real women to say no. That's how, i listen, if you don't like what mommy and daddy does, you know, orders you to do, get the freak out of the house and go and take care of yourself. Stay up as late as you want.
01:03:32
Christopher Gronski
You know, don't put your clothes away in your own house.
01:03:35
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. yeah
01:03:37
Christopher Gronski
That's the way real work real life works. We all know that. But if your government's doing it, they think that that's okay.
01:03:45
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. And I keep saying that to my daughter and she I don't know why she cries every time. She is four years old, so maybe it's a bit early for that sort of conversation. but ah
01:03:53
Christopher Gronski
Well, we'd see we taught our kids, we'd say, listen, if you don't govern yourself, someone else will.
01:04:01
Christian Yordanov
I can't remember some something the other day. My daughter was upset about something and thought, oh God, this would be so funny if I can remember the details. But um something happened that it was my my wife couldn't get something and then in the end, I was like, yeah, but it's because of taxes.
01:04:20
Christian Yordanov
So it's technically the government's fault. So it's like, I feel like if we can teach our kids that if if there's something wrong in their life, it's either they made a mess, right? That they got to sleep in and they got to sort out.
01:04:32
Christopher Gronski
That's right.
01:04:32
Christian Yordanov
Or if if it's not them, it's probably the government. So I think that that's a very healthy way to teach our children because a lot of people are like,
01:04:37
Christopher Gronski
That's a good word.
01:04:41
Christopher Gronski
Yeah.
01:04:42
Christian Yordanov
authority always like the authority the doctor knows best you know the politicians they're doing their best that's bullshit they don't know what the hell they're doing
01:04:47
Christopher Gronski
Yeah. Oh, I know. I mean, listen, if you have ignorant people are are governing, then you're going to have a big problem. One of the best ways to teach children about taxation is with ice cream.
01:05:00
Christopher Gronski
OK, you just have two scoops of ice. Listen, if you did your chores, here's the two scoops of ice cream. Now, your brother didn't do his chores. I'm going to give a little bit of your ice cream to your brother.
01:05:11
Christopher Gronski
They're going to understand the concept. Your brother's, you know, he's he's asked for some of your your ice cream. Well, how come he gets ice cream? He didn't do any chores.
01:05:22
Christopher Gronski
Well, we're just doing this because I'm the dad.
01:05:23
Christian Yordanov
He's on welfare.
01:05:24
Christopher Gronski
I get to do this. And then you say like, and I'm going to take some of your, going to take half of your ice cream. And there you go. That's what you have left. but Understand taxation.
01:05:35
Christian Yordanov
and ah And don't forget, I'm gonna give it to you five minutes later to to model how inflation works, where you get laced less ice cream via inflation, via it melting.
01:05:45
Christian Yordanov
but
01:05:45
Christopher Gronski
All that can be taught with ice cream and and listen or candy.
01:05:47
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, yeah.
01:05:49
Christopher Gronski
I'm telling you, the concepts are crystal clear. This is not rocket science. They they will get the and you know injustice.
01:05:54
Christian Yordanov
Yeah, man.
01:05:57
Christopher Gronski
I think somebody was talking about, you know, you know, ah the person the the little child was saying from their parents you know how come the government doesn't take care of johnny and says well um you know it says is that supposed to be for the government to take care of johnny and says um so what we're going to do is we're going to have you work and then the government is going to take the money that you work and we're going to give it to johnny and it's and so the the little girl says well why doesn't johnny work for his own money
01:06:28
Christopher Gronski
It's like, okay, there you go. Now you understand the concept, you know.
01:06:30
Christian Yordanov
Yeah. Yeah, man.
01:06:32
Christopher Gronski
And listen, if we put government in charity business, how does real true charities compete with taxation? and And government's never going to care about people the way that people in true charities care for people.
01:06:45
Christian Yordanov
Of course.
01:06:45
Christopher Gronski
Especially when when the gift, the the giving is sacred, if you will.
01:06:51
Christopher Gronski
there's There's a piece of the divine in that. The person receiving it gives thanks to God.
01:06:53
Christian Yordanov
Yes.
01:06:57
Christopher Gronski
And the person yeah has a joy and they benefit from that karma of giving.
01:06:59
Christian Yordanov
yes Yes.
01:07:02
Christopher Gronski
Taxation takes all that away.
01:07:04
Christian Yordanov
Yes.
01:07:04
Christopher Gronski
And so by allowing governments to do charity in any capacity, whether that's business charity or whatever, that's
01:07:04
Christian Yordanov
Yes.
01:07:13
Christopher Gronski
that's a That's a violation of humanity and of of that which is divine.
01:07:18
Christian Yordanov
yeah
01:07:20
Christopher Gronski
So so again, this people aren't taught these things.
01:07:21
Christian Yordanov
Absolutely.
01:07:24
Christopher Gronski
They're not taught these things in schools, certainly not government schools. And that's why we have the problems we have.
01:07:28
Christian Yordanov
Oh, yeah.
01:07:31
Christian Yordanov
100% agree. um Okay, Christopher, you've already kind of mentioned destinationfreedom.org. Like I said, the link will be down below. But just run, as we wrap up, run everybody again through all of the services that you offer and any other places they can find you if if they want to.
01:07:49
Christopher Gronski
Sure. Now, one of the things is that our website doesn't educate people, the general public, because most of the general public in America have tax liabilities and all those things. We only serve our clients.
01:07:59
Christian Yordanov
Mm-hmm.
01:07:59
Christopher Gronski
And for every client, we have a hold harmless agreement that they they agree to because this is their work.
01:08:05
Christopher Gronski
So, in that, ah some of the foundational stuff that we do, we have a foundational class, and then we also begin our processes with a passport process in which you're going to be communicating to the State Department the choice of citizenship that you have.
01:08:21
Christopher Gronski
And then we'll get certified copies of those documents. Then all the other work is designed to be congruent with the paperwork that you did with the State Department. whether that's in driver's license, voting, um jury duty, things like that. We also help clients discharge debt. We also can set up foreign irrevocable trusts for our clients to put their property into. If they have concerns about you know their property with IRS, if they feel like they're going to be moving in that direction, it's a way of giving them peace because the trust can own their property, then they won't own it. And that's a protection for them. Also keeps their property out of probate. So so that's those those are the broad strokes of generally what we do for our clients. And then as things come up, we support our clients and we'll help them sort out whatever matter that they have because our our commitment is to help our clients secure their rights and to free up as much of their you know of their living as possible. We were talking about work earlier.
01:09:27
Christopher Gronski
And, you know, when you work for a company, you're the goose that lays the golden egg every day there. They care for you and you lay ah ah in your labor. You lay the golden egg and they take it. They utilize it. They enjoy it and they take care of you on some level when you work for yourself.
01:09:47
Christopher Gronski
You're the goose and you own yourself. You lay your egg and you and that's a good thing that you own yourself in that capacity. That's when you're working for yourself. But when you obtain something, a business of some sort, and it's not tied to your labor, then you own a goose that lays the golden egg.
01:09:57
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:10:06
Christopher Gronski
That's really where you want to be. You want to have assets. or things make you money that could be a company or something. Listen, not everybody is going to do their own business.
01:10:17
Christopher Gronski
There are plenty of people that want to contract with you and and work for you. That's all good. But to separate your time from your money making is what wealthy people do. And so we want to help our clients navigate that space. And we're very hands on. You don't have to go it alone. This is a peaceful process. It's an administrative process.
01:10:39
Christopher Gronski
And it's quite simple. It's easy enough for children to understand. It's simple in that capacity. and And again, we're up for helping you.
01:10:48
Christian Yordanov
Amazing. Thank you so much. And just just what one quick question. Do you do any sort of services for people outside of the U.S. yet? or i think I asked you before.
01:11:00
Christopher Gronski
Well, if if there's someone is in America and they are and they've got themselves set up as a resident alien, they certainly can change that relationship and be the non-resident alien they are.
01:11:10
Christopher Gronski
So those are people like that.
01:11:10
Christian Yordanov
Okay.
01:11:12
Christopher Gronski
Outside of America, we are going to work up some remedies. We are looking. We have a number of Canadian, UK citizens and and Australian citizens or anywhere that if they have an income tax in their state, then we believe that there's a pathway.
01:11:28
Christopher Gronski
And although I may not know it, the principles are going to be the same. It's going to depend on what you're agreeing about yourself. If it's a just society, then slavery and involuntary servitude are illegal.
01:11:41
Christopher Gronski
There must be a choice for you. And that's what we'll be looking for.
01:11:43
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:11:45
Christopher Gronski
So if you'd like to do that and be a part of of of a community that that meets each week that investigates where this is going to go, we're glad to have you be a part of that. Some of our naturalization clients will come in and they'll pay $2,500 and they'll be a part of that group that we will help ultimately facilitate their naturalization process. And that's here in America.
01:12:08
Christian Yordanov
And by that, you mean becoming a state citizen of a state of their choice, right?
01:12:13
Christopher Gronski
in In America. Well, right. That's correct. we're We're glad to have them be a part of that naturalization process. And although I'm doing that with my wife right now, you know they will we will follow suit in the state where they are in the same fashion. If we have a success in New Hampshire, which we're expecting, then every state is the same way.
01:12:33
Christian Yordanov
Yeah.
01:12:33
Christopher Gronski
and And so we're going to go down that pathway. So when someone buys into that that service, it's not there we're not... We're not doing that for them for the amount of the $2,500. That's just for being in that group. We will do their process for them at whatever time that we we meet that. We don't know how that's going to be because these states haven't done this in a long time. So we have to educate the states to do that. We do have a pathway already, but that's that way. Now, if you're in where you are or someone's in a foreign country, the principles of liberty and freedom are the same. And yes, you can secure your rights. You don't have to do you know things governments do. Usually they need your agreement and you can take a look at that.
01:13:20
Christian Yordanov
Awesome. Well, Christopher, thank you so much, man.
01:13:22
Christopher Gronski
right.
01:13:22
Christian Yordanov
You always blow my mind. So I can only imagine like if you're like living in the US, like how much by um a factor of 10 people's minds must be getting blown listening to you.
01:13:33
Christian Yordanov
So absolutely. Thank you so much. And thank you for the work that you do. going to have your link down below, folks. Absolutely. Check out destinationfreedom.org. Once again, man. Thank you.
01:13:44
Christopher Gronski
Thank you so much. I appreciate you.