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Top 3 Secretly Toxic TV Couples
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Here at My Top Everything, we know you've been in a bad relationship. Maybe there were red flags you missed or actively chose to ignore, or maybe things were a little more subtle and only your friends and family could actually see the truth:
You were in a secretly toxic relationship, entertaining the rest of us behind your back while you suffered your insufferable partner (or perhaps they suffered you). WHICH MEANS YOU, DEAR LISTENER have a lot in common with the secretly toxic TV couples that we deliver the antidote for this week.
What do Miss Piggy and Kermit have in common with Jim and Pam? What does the Supernatural show runner owe us for baiting us for over a decade? What is Dean's problem? Which Dean? ALL the Deans!
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Introduction to Rodney Alcala Discussion
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Speaker
Do any of you have Rodney Alcala on the list? I don't even know that is. Is that one person? Is that two? It's a couple. Does that to be a couple? Is that two people? Well, he was technically part of a couple because he was the winner of the dating game that that 70s game show. Oh, my God. That killed people. Oh, what?
00:00:19
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Yeah. The thing, the movie that um Anna Kendrick just produced was based off of. Right. Oh, really? I don't know. I haven't heard of this. i'm going to have to look it up. This is next time Kara is cooking and needs fake podcast entertainment. I'll sit there.
00:00:36
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I like to sit there and tell Kara true crime stories off of Wikipedia while she cooks. Once. And I wanted to do that again. we'll do that one next time. Okay. had to do that again so we'll do that
00:00:55
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Welcome Top Everything.
Episode Introduction and Theme
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Marianne. I'm Kara. And I'm And this week, we are arguing over our top three...
00:01:07
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o and oh We're arguing over our top three... secretly toxic TV couples. So that was a pretty big... Adjective that to go and put in there that I fucking forgot about.
00:01:24
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Yeah. So that was... it did It's interesting. How do you approach it I think I'm already going to be yelled at. i felt confident. And then you literally did the intro and I was like, oh.
00:01:37
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yeah I think one of mine is very... um Not it. Well, we'll see. I'm not confident in my, in how much we're about to argue about these.
00:01:47
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I did think it was, um, it was challenging to think about, okay, what are the TV couples that are secretly toxic? You pointing out that guy, I didn't even think about, I mean that changes. I didn't even think about actual real life couples. I did. i did Okay. Mine are all fictional.
00:02:07
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Okay. So, okay. We've got some good blend here then.
Secretly Toxic TV Couples
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Yeah. We'll see. I don't...
00:02:15
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really know anything about this topic. And the last time we did a TV show, one, I had a bunch of obscure ones that I had to, like, explain, and then it was funny.
00:02:28
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I also tried to do it where it was ones, I have one that no one else is going to know about, but I tried to pick ones when it was, oh, I'm positive. I'll be very surprised anybody... Did you, like, research them, or were these people from your dome?
00:02:40
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Dome. Okay. Okay. Okay, cool. Well, half and half. I had one, i had two that I was like, I want this on my list. And then the, but then I went to research and researched I was like, oh, this is a good.
00:02:51
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Wow. That's so interesting. i did not even think about real people. was so locked into fiction. honorary one is one that we both know that is. Okay.
00:03:02
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Well, I'm so excited. yeah going to be a good one. Uh, who wants to go first? I'll go first. Okay. Yeah. Um, Oh wait. Oh, we have updates. Oh, okay. Yeah.
00:03:13
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Real quick update from Kara and Grayson. Did you find from the pranks episode, Mara hid the black cat in the house?
00:03:24
Speaker
I think Grayson should tell that. Yes. Found it. I didn't. Yeah. And when I, and when I finally did find it, I brought Kara over and was like, look, and I placed her there staring straight at it and she was like, what? I don't see anything for like five minutes.
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But he didn't tell me he found the cat. He was just like, look. And I was like, what? like not a bunch of plants. I wanted to know how long it would take you to clock that we were looking at the cat. Did I? i don't even think. I think you if you yeah eventually had to be like, the cat.
00:03:54
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Yeah, I was. You got it. ah Oh, did I? I eventually hit like pointed. basically took your face and then pointed. Yeah. Yeah. That was a really good Kara gasp. Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:08
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Except you weren't in a car yeah driving. So you didn't get to feel like, oh, are we about to crash? People even react when I gasp and I'm driving. Yeah, because you're driving manual bus.
00:04:21
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like we're going to die. It's startling. ah Yeah, when Mara put that there, i was like, Carol will never find that. did not. Would never have. You say Even though I water the plants every week there, religiously. Yeah. she did ah ah She put it. Oh, did we take a picture of it? We should take a picture of it. Grayson did. Okay, good.
00:04:40
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um But it's behind a potted plant on a windowsill. It's pretty. It's. It was hiding in plain sight. Yep. For sure. Yeah, very much. It was in kind of a dark corner. So it was, I was like, this could be here for years. Yeah.
00:04:55
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I think because of Grayson's height, that must've been helpful. That's guess. don't think so. Cause he saw it from the top of the stairs. Like I would have, you know? Well, it's just, it's kind of in a liminal space. It's not somewhere people usually hang out, but for some reason I was just standing there. You were talking to me cause I was cleaning.
00:05:11
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You were at the top of the stairs. telling So it was a boring conversation. Yeah. And your eyes had to wander. Yeah, let's get a toxic couple here today.
00:05:23
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Stay toxic, queen. That's what my coworkers and I say to each other.
Lily and Marshall's Toxic Traits
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All right, Kara, what's your number three? um Okay, my number three secretly toxic couple is Lily and Marshall from um How I Met Your Mother. Okay, so that's a fake couple.
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Yeah. A real life couple. I never said they were. Oh, OK. They're not all ah real life couples. I have a mix. um So, Lily, I think like the classic How You Met Your Mother toxic couple is Ted and anybody.
00:05:54
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yeah Yeah. Yeah. I don't like Ted. I think he's a terrible character. It's very clearly toxic. um Robin should have clearly cut that off from the get go. Yeah. But Lily and Marshall have a very cute relationship, but a ton of shit that happens where I'm like, oh, my God, this is not something I would let fly.
00:06:11
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um Marshall at one point it leaves a cheese party in the middle of it by jumping out of the bathroom window and getting himself out of the situation because he didn't want to be there with Lily and then leaves Lily with a bunch of guests in their house. Oh, my God. And goes to a club.
00:06:26
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No. Whoa. can't handle that. So that was um why it came up in my head. And then ah he didn't tell Lily that he became a judge. Lily didn't tell Marshall that he she has like 10K of credit card debt or whatever it is. Oh, my God. Yes. yeah art program. That was so fucked up. ah How they handled the breakup?
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Terrible. From the beginning to the end to the middle. Lily, like, stalked him at one point while he was on another date. Like, the whole situation, not good. and um And then at the end, she's, like, really struggling with being a mother and, like, wanting to... She tells Ted at one point, like, I think about leaving in the middle of the night and never coming back. And she's not talking to Marshall about that. Yeah. I'm like, dude! Like...
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like So they just have a ton of shit. Like a lot of it's very cute, but it's like a ton of stuff where it's like, this is basic communication. Yeah. um Yeah. I hate those plot lines where there's trouble because you just could have had a phone call. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah. I heavily considered putting them on my list. Oh, really? Yeah. Because I do think they are, they do fit the definition of secretly toxic. Because like, I think, I think when people think about how I met your mother, they're definitely the shining example of like,
00:07:36
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True love, a healthy couple, you know, like couple goals. But no, there's a lot of shit in there that is like that that couple would not survive in real life. No. That couple would not make it.
00:07:48
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um But it just so happens that they're in a show with Robin and Barney. Right. Robin and Ted. And then Ted and any any woman he is in a relationship with, except for the mother, because we didn't get to see that relationship because they killed her off. Yeah.
00:08:07
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Yep, because weirdly the whole point was Robin. The mother was cute. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's a good one. Yeah. No cut no notes. Wow. That's a good number three. All right.
00:08:20
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Mara, do you have?
Celebrity Controversy: Mila and Ashton
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ah Yeah, I'll give my number three. um Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher. Oh, the real life couple? Yeah. Okay.
00:08:31
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But they did meet in that 70s show, and I can't remember if their characters dated. They did. Yes, they did. Okay. Yeah. They weren't the like one true pairing, ah ok the Internet says, but they were they did date for um like the beginning of the show. OK, I feel like it wasn't.
00:08:48
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um I don't feel like to me, i felt like I knew that maybe they had more toxic side to each other. No, these are just toxic people is the example I was about to give. Oh yeah. Cause I was about to be, are you talking about the, um, the letter that they wrote in defense of Danny, Danny. Yeah.
00:09:11
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Yeah. They're, they're toxic people. Are they a toxic couple is a different question. Like is their relationship toxic, but they are,
00:09:23
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arguably toxic because of the Danny Masterson stuff. Yeah. I just realized that as I, do you have another one?
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um i can give you one I don't really have any that are secret. um
00:09:41
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i don't I don't feel like most toxic TV relationships are secretly toxic. Usually pretty obvious. Yeah. It was hard. I think secretly as in like it's portrayed as something positive. Yes. And then. But if you really thought about it, it's like, no, that's completely messed up. Like Lily and Marshall will never, were never portrayed as like a couple you shouldn't root for. was very much The couple. Like the the anchor. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:07
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ah And so that's like what makes it secretly is like, well, then I'm going to say Rory and Dean. Yeah. Yeah. 1000. Yep.
00:10:18
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As my number three, um like Dean ultimately broke up with Rory because she wouldn't say the words I love you. Yeah. um And so like. He's just very impatient and ah lacked, like, willingness to understand her as a person. um And then, like, his just very traditional views of, like, what a relationship should look like for him to be happy or very, like, 1950s cookie cutter.
00:10:43
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And then even when he did have it, he fucking cheated on her left, right, and center. Yeah. And this is not Gilmore Girls? Yeah. it's g that Yes. From Gilmore Girls. Yes.
00:10:55
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Yeah. Yeah. Our target audience will know. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. But definitely Rory and Dean. Yeah. Yeah. yeah I just remember like that scene where, yeah, he says, I love you. And she's like, I'm not ready. And he's like, well, what the fuck? Like, it just and freaks out. Dude. Yeah. Any man that gets angry.
00:11:14
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Period. Yeah. Bye. Yeah. Okay.
Miss Piggy and Kermit's Dysfunction
00:11:18
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See you never again. Yeah. Nope. Yeah. Yeah. I fucking hated Dean. I think I remember liking him when I... because Yeah. I definitely loved him. When we were in like middle high school. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:30
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And like to me, I would like a didn't have enough like awareness to see that right the little giant plot holes of personality traits. I would not... ever want a romantic partner. And it really makes me wonder, like, was it intentional on Amy Sherman Palladino's part to put this... Thank you.
00:11:50
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Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. um To put this character... Like, to make it that way? Because all of Rory's relationships are pretty messed up. Like, Rory as character I think that we should...
00:12:01
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Move on to somebody else's number three. Well, I was just thinking that Amy Sherman Palladino is like queen of toxic couples. Like she i think she thinks that they're.
00:12:13
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See, this is what I want to know. Yeah. So I don't think I have. I feel like I've talked about this on the podcast. Maybe I haven't because this big rant of mine. i don't trust her as a showrunner. Oh. Because I think she takes really interesting female characters, makes them do the stupidest shit that I like do not agree with. That's very frustrating to watch. And then also has them go back time and time again to men who suck and we're supposed to be rooting for it. um She does it in Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Yeah. um She does it in Gilmore Girls with both Lorelai and um Rory. Yeah. So, yeah, i I think that she just... And Lane and Zach?
00:12:54
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No, Lane and Zach are not a toxic couple. They had their issues. Wait, okay, I want to hear. ah Wait, why why are they why aren't they? I don't remember anymore. I just remember feeling that way. and the I think the fourth or the the Netflix season did a lot of damage to Lane's story. I haven't seen it. She ends up being like a stay-at-home mom.
00:13:20
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Not in a band anymore. And she doesn't like that? I don't remember. i don't either. never realized her dreams. Or like her dreams changed. Yeah.
00:13:31
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Yeah. Yeah. yeah Okay. ah There's internet things about how Zach is the worst, but I don't, I don't remember enough because so since I watched it. Yeah. Okay. I'll go to my, uh, number three secretly toxic TV couple.
00:13:47
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It's going to be Miss Piggy and Kermit for me. Those two are not okay. They are not okay. No. i know They should not be together. No. like Miss Piggy is abusive for sure. She like yells at Kermit all the time.
00:14:05
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not nice. I don't know if I've ever watched a show with the two of them in it. The Muppets? You've never watched The Muppets? I think so. What do you mean? I think I've seen characters here and there because they're iconic and so they get onto other shows and stuff or whatever.
00:14:21
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But I don't think I've ever watched the TV show. Or the movies? You never saw Muppets in Space? No. Muppet Christmas Carol? No. Muppet Treasure Island? No. I don't think so. No, I just know of them.
00:14:33
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um okay Okay. I've never seen any of the Muppets. I grew in a Jim Henson family, so. What?
00:14:42
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Oh, I like this. What did Kermit say at Jim Hansen's funeral? Nothing. the you know Putty! Putty! oh the
00:15:01
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Is Jim Hansen alive? No, he's dead. Okay. Cool. He's super dead. Been dead for a long time. Yeah, who knew? Wow. But Miss Piggy and Kermit, dude? Yeah, they, she, it we'll have to watch some clips of Miss Piggy and Kermit. Our producer is not okay. Ew, yi-yi. Um,
00:15:20
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He's dying from that. ah Miss Piggy has a very short fuse. She wants constant validation and affirmation from Kermit in ways that are not healthy.
00:15:31
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She basically wants a servant and he submits to all of it. He has no boundaries. He has no willpower. He i i genuinely if you watch it, you'll be like, what is Kermit getting out of this relationship? Good head. But they... Hey, do frogs have penises?
00:15:52
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Yes. What wear? Yeah, good I mean, I've held a couple frogs in my hands day. Not all my day animal genitalia is external unless they're mating.
00:16:05
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So where does it come from? but where But where is it? It's in between the legs. I think. I'm making this up. I don't know anything about frog and Abby.
00:16:16
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You know? Frog penis. Yeah, frog penis. yeah Oh, I just got a picture. Oh my god. Of a penis dressed like a frog? It's a it's a be sub penis frog.
00:16:31
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It's a penis in the shape of a frog. Oh my god. And for listeners, it's a cut penis. It's not important. Yeah. at all okay well it there's no good we'll we'll we'll update about it i know everybody really can can you put a note about the frog penises god this is important anyway yeah so kerman and piggy yeah i don't know what's going on there but it's not it's not right you watch any clips of the two of them interacting but they were seen as like the muppet couple so don't really know what's going on there
00:17:12
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Also, people are super mean to Miss Piggy. You can almost see why she has all this feminine rage. And I think it's because, like, they're always making fun of her being a pig.
00:17:23
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It's, like, really messed up. It's really good commentary on the world. Yeah. Sounds right. Yeah. All right, that's mine.
Toxicity in 'Love is Blind'
00:17:32
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Hell yeah. Are we on to our number twos? Yeah.
00:17:35
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Who went first? this carry This one I have to explain. um So my number two, I know. So my number two is this couple from... um I think it's Married at First Sight or... Oh,
00:17:49
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I know. Love is Blind. Love is Blind. It's Love is Blind. Thank you very much. and So it's this couple called Zainab and Cole. and oh my God. Wait, do you know them?
00:17:59
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Of course. Yeah. Oh. She's like a pop culture guru. Zainab? I've watched... it No, Marion. Oh. ah I've watched that season of Love is Blind. I mean, most Love is Blind couples are toxic, but...
00:18:16
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This one's truly... i watched a clip of like her... Anyway, yes. So I think that it's clear that they're toxic. They're not secretly toxic. But I think that it's the other person's fault.
00:18:28
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I think that Zainab is to blame. Yes. Oh, I think that most people blame Cole. I think the editing made it seem like Cole. But no, she like could not understand...
00:18:41
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His like sense of humor. He was always trying to get affirmations from her and she was like gaslighting him. Yeah, she was gaslighting him. She has body image issues and was like blaming him for her lack of security and herself when he came to her and was like, hey, I'm having an issue with this. She said, you don't feel that way. Like I didn't do anything wrong.
00:18:58
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She like traps him in these like really weird situations. I just feel like she was not ready to be in a relationship. And poor Cole is like dragged through the coals on public national television. Her coals.
00:19:09
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and Yeah, exactly. um And it's just like, it's bad to watch. um Yeah. She like he's so he's like she tells him that he's um she's having a hard time. He like surprises her with this dinner.
00:19:22
Speaker
And so he's like cooking everything for her. he like sets the table, buys wine, like does all the like things for a date. And she comes over and she's like, well, you're not frying this right. And like, I don't even like this flavor, but blah, blah, blah. And just like nitpicks every single thing. And i was like, oh, my God, this poor man. And he's just trying so hard. He's like, just sitting he's like I don't know how to deal with this. and then when he says he doesn't know how to deal with it, she like gaslights him. It's so sad.
00:19:43
Speaker
Yeah. um But the editing makes it seem like Cole is like making her feel that she should have body image issues and that she he wants her to be like a 10, but she's only a 9. The way that it's cut is very unfavorable. I don't think he's like...
00:19:58
Speaker
the greatest for I don't think he like gets off scot-free, but I do agree she has issues as well. I don't think he's that great either. I think he was also shouldn't be in a relationship. Oh, really? I don't feel way.
00:20:10
Speaker
Oh, I think so definitely with his like affirmation issues and like his inability to like understand when she was asking for something very specific.
00:20:22
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um I don't know. i just i I didn't think either of them But I don't think she asked for anything specific. She made passive aggressive comments. She wasn't saying, hey, this is what I need. Can we change it?
00:20:33
Speaker
You know? Yeah. But didn't he say the 10 and the 9 thing? He said stuff that was... What? Yeah. She asked. She goaded him. She, in a public public setting with all the other couples, she was like asking her partner, who is a 10?
00:20:48
Speaker
And this is all the couple, like anybody that was on the show. So not just the couples that made it, but like anybody. And he had had this other relationship. Yeah. and And yeah. Yeah. Why would he do this? Why? way She did. She said, yes, great people. Right. And he honestly said, you're a nine, because even if he had said that you're a 10, she's not going to believe like she he was being honest and was like, you're like a nine. I'm more attracted typically to this other person. shouldn't have rated anybody a 10. He shouldn't have done it. She shouldn't have asked.
00:21:16
Speaker
Yes, I agree. Both situations not great. I agree. See, I believe that he is not scot-free in these things. Like, I agree that she shouldn't have tried to trick him or trap him. Like, that's immature. But also, come on, dude. Like, you know she's sensitive. Like, that every season of Love is Blind, there's that triangle. You know she's sensitive about it. Right.
00:21:38
Speaker
rein it in. Yeah. I don't disagree. Yeah. You just say that's a trap and I'm not going to answer that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a job that's a lose, lose, lose. Yeah. Sometimes I'll ask questions at work and I'll get that in the, I'm not going answer that. And then they walk away. It's going to be good. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Bye.
00:21:59
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I have no input. Um, Any of that other than don't trap people. Love TV shows are stupid.
00:22:10
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Bad. Fake. All right. So what's your number two? My number two ah is
00:22:18
Speaker
Dean and Lindsay from Gilmore Girls. ah Okay. see a trend. I see a trend. um Dean is just, I don't know. He needs some true self therapy in order to be happy in any relationship. He's constantly yelling. They have kids. And then he, it's kind of almost like he blames Lindsay yeah for him not being happy with his own life. And then he cheats on her with Rory.
00:22:45
Speaker
and then gas lights or anything i i i would argue this one's not secretly no i agree yeah yeah i just can't be bothered kind of getting two for one here yeahp that's why i was like shut the fuck up you didn't jump on it i was like i guess yeah yeah yeah i got a theme and i just can't i can't stop uh myself yeah even because secretly We love a good theme.
00:23:11
Speaker
Yeah. Secretly open. Secretly open. Secretly. Yeah. Anyway, ah Dean's character consistently shitty. Oh, thanks.
00:23:22
Speaker
Yeah. Does he is the only does he only have those two relationships in the show? Yeah. Yeah. Got it. My number two secretly toxic TV couple is Schmidt and Cece.
New Girl's Schmidt and Cece
00:23:36
Speaker
Ooh, this is a good take. Yeah. Yeah. They, if you really think about, I love them. Yeah. Disclaimer. i love them. yeah I would never stopped rooting them for them for a second. Was very, very into them. um But looking back on it, very toxic couple. The first season they...
00:23:57
Speaker
they are pushing each other away intimacy-wise throughout all of it. One will decide, okay, I'm ready to get intimate, like, emotionally or whatever, and then the other one will push them away. Like, at the end of season one, Schmidt basically old yellering her or whatever where he...
00:24:17
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or not old yeller it's no fun it's it's not called yeah it's a different reference but go on get go on get yeah hilarious but in real life horrible not okay like not an okay way to deal with your emotions and like a person and um I mostly feel bad for Cece. I do think both of them are toxic at different times. Like the next season where she's dating other people um and Schmidt like will not respect her boundaries like any of her. He's just stomping all over them and we're supposed to view it as romantic.
00:24:51
Speaker
Whereas in real life, this would be like red flags all over the place. Yeah, ended relationships because I... Haven't gotten the space. Yeah. And so he's like being super terrible while she's like dating Robbie and things like that.
00:25:05
Speaker
um Robbie. But then she's also not. I don't know. I can't like think of anything specific with her. i can. yeah um One of the more ones that stands out in my head is I think it's the first season where they're hosting Thanksgiving and he's cooking for everybody and she keeps like messing with his food. And I think he has like OCD or something.
00:25:25
Speaker
And so. And she's like sticking her fingers in food and like wrapping her tongue around the butter and just like wild stuff. And he's like, please stop like a legitimate plea. Not just like, yeah, this cute, but like legit. And she's goading him. And it's supposed to be cute for TV. But if in real life somebody was messing with your shit like that. Yeah. With my with my Thanksgiving dinner. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm cooking for everybody. Yeah.
00:25:50
Speaker
Yeah, and you've now messed up like eight dishes because you want my attention. And then he starts dating her and his college girlfriend. Oh, that's the worst one. And that was very hard. You have girlfriend.
00:26:01
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The way of the world. Yeah, that that one was always good. That was really good. yeah I think about that. That was just really hard. yeah like Like, what are you doing? It was also hard to believe.
00:26:14
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i think what it was also hard is I felt... that the writing didn't earn these like schmidt moment i was just like i don't believe that schmidt would be conflicted about cc no he's always wanted i didn't believe at the end of the first season that he would really push her away like he's always wanted her so i think that was also hard as it felt incongruous but i just yeah that whole thing was just like gross and like again i would not date somebody who did that And then at her wedding, did she call off her wedding?
00:26:45
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. you Didn't he help her escape? Yeah, I think so. I think that's when they started. That's when he was dating both. He was already dating and um his his college girlfriend. But yeah, so all of that was like, ugh.
00:27:00
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And then... um I think the wedding episode I didn't like either. The fact that they're not together on their wedding day. don't He's stuck in an airplane because he decided he wanted to go get...
00:27:15
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the blessing or go get one of her family members who didn't approve. and But then he's stuck on the airplane and he's like, just have it without me. So he's like, what? He's like on an iPad getting married to her And I was just like, I don't, this isn't satisfying. This isn't what I like. i don't like that. that is it Did that? I don't know why. Again, him doing something totally stupid and irrational, like on the day of his wedding, getting on a plane. Right. But it's supposed to be viewed as romantic.
00:27:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's just a big eye roll. So yeah, that's my secretly toxic because I think they're supposed to be the couple that you feel really good about, but yeah I don't feel good about them. Yeah.
00:27:58
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Sometimes. That's fair. That was a good one. Let's get to our sponsors. I don't remember what the tune is.
00:28:11
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Right. My number one secretly toxic couple, which I know is going to be.
Dissecting Jim and Pam's Relationship
00:30:36
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Anyway, ah Jim and Pam. I knew you were going to. Yeah, I knew it had to be on there If it wasn't on there, it wouldn't be. i thought that was going to be your honorable mensch, dude. I i was i was thinking about having them as my number one. knew i I thought it would be a shared one. I said Kara's going to do Jim and Pam week. See, and because you've said that so many times is like, I'm the obvious one. I put it on because now I am the person. Because I assume somebody else is going to do it And then I think, but now it's me that has to do it. Yeah. I mean, I i wrote it down in the list. Yeah. It made the list. Yeah. um
00:31:04
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So like Lily and Marshall, they're the ones you root for um But I have a whole list of things that I'm furious about. This one is number one because it's like every season. There's something that you're like, this is not okay. And it's both of them. And they don't resolve stuff.
00:31:18
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Yeah. That's what's good about this one is it it truly is both. Like some of the other ones, like Schmidt and Cece is pretty Schmidt heavy. Yeah. And like, yeah, but this one is both of them. Yeah. Here's my rant list. Um,
00:31:31
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Jim took the sports marketing job behind Pam's back. After they talked about it, they decided, no, did Another relationship ending decision. Literally, yeah. And spent like, what, 10K, 100K, whatever it was. Like, a crap ton of money on it.
00:31:42
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um She was emotionally cheating when she was with for Roy. Like, 1,000% she was cheating on Roy. I will die on that hill. Pam ah saying that she loves Jim at the fire while he's in a relationship with Karen. In front of Karen. In front of Karen.
00:31:59
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And then, like, running off. to run over the coals right that's some real that's some real unhinged not okay yeah not okay i can think of people in my life who might do that and that would not like pan out okay no why would you want to be with somebody that did that god um Her not telling Jim about the fight in the parking lot and like not like and don't know at the very end of the series. She somebody she like scratches somebody's car or like draws on it or something um from the warehouse warehouse guy comes out to like scream at her and the producer Mike guy like punches him in the face. Oh, yeah.
00:32:42
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and She doesn't tell Jim that the might the person that's on the crew for the videography defended her because there she was emotionally cheating there's a weird storyline where basically Yeah, there's part of the crew mic guy for the crew is like in love with Pam I don't think I finished the series It was it was dark.
00:33:02
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the in The dark. They decided to give Jim and Pam trouble at the end and it got dark because it went on too long and there's nothing else to write about. They do have one of the most realistic fights that a TV couple has ever had. Yeah. Like that whole arc is very realistic. Yeah, it is very realistic. And I actually have really come to appreciate that arc.
00:33:21
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I like it, but it's toxic. It is toxic, but there's plenty other toxic things before that season. Yeah. ah The big one. do you have the house? um The house is on here. He ah Jim decides to buy his parents house as a surprise for Pam without talking to Pam about it first. And they make it seem like some really romantic, cute thing.
00:33:41
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And it's like a dying house and like a neighborhood they don't want to live in. Yeah, it's terrible. But she's happy about it because he put an easel in the garage. Yeah.
00:33:50
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Truly. um And yeah. And I was like, this is not how this would work out. Never. No, no. um And then her not continuing at Pratt. Yep.
00:34:02
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Because they can't last three more months ah in long distance, even though this is her lifelong dream. Yeah. And she and yeah. And he I mean, he is like, come home the right way. Yeah. But the fact that they're in that relationship where they feel like they have to be together and she'd rather like quit on her dream that was they both quit on their lifelong goals to be with each other even though neither is happy in either situation right and then they get mad at you you each other for it right and then in the ninth season basically that was the realistic part yeah um and then my big one is
00:34:40
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When he tells her that he loves her and she's still with Roy and he kisses her and she's in a fucking relationship, she says, no, I can't do it. Leaves the situation and he follows her and kisses her again. Yeah. It's unbelievable.
00:34:53
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He doesn't kiss her the first time. OK. But still, she he says, i have feelings for you. She says, no, thank you. No, thank you. And then she goes to call her mom.
00:35:05
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And then he's there again. Doesn't say anything. Just walks up, grabs her and kisses her. No. No, sir. No, sir. This is where it goes back to the I Love Lucy era where it's like men taking women as some without their permission. I know what you actually want. Right. And I'm going to make it happen and you don't get to say. Stephen Moffat writer for Doctor Who also writes toxic relationships. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Just for, you know, a different... Yeah.
00:35:37
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And not Gilmore Girls. And not get more girls. But yeah, no, they are. They I'm sure there's more. I'm sure. Think of if we got into the minutiae. But yeah, their whole courtship is.
00:35:51
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oh yeah. He he I mean, he's in the middle of a job interview for a great job at corporate. And he leaves it to come back her. It's just like, it's something that seems so romantic. All of their choices seem really romantic, but really what it is at the end of the day is a relationship taking over your whole life. Yes.
00:36:09
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And you not doing any of the things you want to do because you're putting the relationship above everything else. Yeah. um Yeah.
00:36:21
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My reasons for them were just that I feel like the majority of the things that they do together spend a lot of time and money making fun and being extremely rude to Dwight. Oh, right. Um, their bond is on being cruel to somebody. Yeah. Like, yeah, that's probably an autistic guy. Like, yeah.
00:36:42
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Is Dwight sufferable? No. um He is quite in-sufferable. Yeah. i It is like, I feel like I have met a Dwight in my life. He's so easy to make fun of and I have to hold back. Yeah. Yeah. It was like eighth grade central.
00:37:00
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I won't say his name, but he, he, with somebody where you would feel bad for him. And the minute you felt bad for him, just like Dwight, he would do something that would hide completely erase it. And then you're like, I just want to, but it they were handling it like eighth graders handle it is the thing because I would never handle it that way today. But yeah, this kid, this kid was kind of like bullied for lack of a better word, he was,
00:37:31
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he was like so insufferable all the time. and like, anytime you gave a little bit of leeway or tried to be nice to him, yeah you were punished for it heavily. Like he was so insufferable.
00:37:45
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Um, But yeah, but again, when it do it as an adult, like it was like you're an eighth grader, you don't know how to process your feelings or how to deal with somebody that you don't want to be around who you're being forced to sit next to talk to work with on projects. Yeah, you know, in real life, you you'd have ways to get around that.
00:38:03
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Yeah. Yeah. So Jenna Fisher, Angela, come on our show. aa Oh, yeah. They always try to explain it away on on ah ah what's it called?
00:38:15
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I don't know what their office ladies. Right. um But you can't explain it in a away. No, you can't. Because if because again, if it translates out to the real world, that should never would fly.
00:38:28
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Yeah, that's the thing. It's like in a TV show, everything is controlled. There's only so many factors. That's not. Yeah, that would not be acceptable. Yeah. Again, i don't know I don't know that the office has any ah ah healthy relationships.
00:38:46
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When you look at it, none of those are good relationships. What about Phyllis? yeah and Oh, Phyllis and Bob Vance. Yes, yeah totally. You're totally right. Bob Vance. Advanced refrigeration? Uh-huh. Yeah.
00:38:57
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Yeah. Yes, you're right. Phyllis and Bob, that's it. Yeah. That's it. Not Stan Lee and his mistress and his wife. And his other mistress and his wife. Yeah. Not Kelly and Ryan.
00:39:08
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Fuck no. No. Not Angela and Dwight. Andy. Andy and Aaron. Aaron and Gabe.
00:39:19
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Michael and Holly but no nope doesn't pass the test Michael in any relationship in his fucking life his relationship with work know so yeah Kelly and um oh yeah what the doctor oh I wasn't even thinking of the doctor no the guy from the doc yeah the oh yeah Daryl Daryl I think it's I thought maybe that's his Brooklyn Nine-Nine character No, that's Judy. Okay. Yeah. Same actor. Same actor. Yeah. Okay. It is Daryl.
00:39:51
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right, let's ah move on now that we listed. Every couple of The Office. its It's me. My number one most tox secretly toxic relationship as is going to be Destiel or Castiel and
Exploring Dean and Castiel's Bond
00:40:12
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Dean. I knew you were going to do this one too. Supernatural. um Supernatural.
00:40:19
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I've watched it probably like four times from start to finish, maybe more if we're going to be completely truthful on this. And listed it as toxic because um in part because the show, the showrunners, I guess I have to blame for this. They didn't make their relationship canon in a um homosexual or like it's a gay baiting. It was gay. Yeah.
00:40:44
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They basically they knew that a majority of the fan base. had noticed this connection between Dean and Castiel. Castiel's an angel. The show is super heterosexual, very masculine, which is ironic because most Supernatural fans are women.
00:41:02
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Like, I think the can the can like it's mostly women. um and the the fan base like noticed this connection between the two male characters and started shipping them. Destiel was their Tumblr name. the Tumblr loves Supernatural and then at some point like the showrunners were like let's drop the line, put the bait in all like every episode of this and never give any like basically knowing that they would get views if they kept this like thing going. But they never kiss. They never date. Like, yeah, they're not. They never really acknowledge it.
00:41:46
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Even that are they do in episode 18 of season 15. Of season 15, did you just say? Yeah, the final season. Castiel says, I love you to Dean.
00:41:57
Speaker
um And that was the first time that and only time the show has acknowledged that their relationship is something more than friendship. But also, in part, they didn't want to announce it because um the actor who plays Dean in Supernatural was going to go play.
00:42:15
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um What's that really old Western show with? Yellowstone? No, it's like that old guy, Chuck Norris. Walker, Texas Ranger. Yes.
00:42:28
Speaker
That Dean was... Jensen Jensen Ackles is going to go play the main character in Walker, Texas Ranger. And so they didn't want potential viewers, men, to not watch walks toxic walk-it men.
00:42:45
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. The Texas show. because Because he was gay in another character. Yeah. God. they thought i would bring down viewership. um But also i learned it's just so sad because and dena i dean doesn't treat Castiel, right? No. Like at all. Dean is such a little bitch about expressing love, but he can't really, you know,
00:43:12
Speaker
He doesn't really understand how to express it the whole series to anybody. ah series did him dirty at the end. and but Okay. The point ah besides that, I just think is really funny um that I learned 2020 about like the election counting votes and that Putin was thinking about stepping down from a Destiel meme that was saying that Castiel and Dean were canon relationship. Yeah.
00:43:43
Speaker
so uh that's where i learned where do millennials get their things the heck i don't think of how does that even happen we need to find that meme and put on social media yeah i yeah you did well i had to find the meme origin yeah because i was like hell this is right right like it's some putin related and then i was like was it putin retiring but then i was like putin's still alive and yeah doing bad shit yeah so he did not step down but yeah uh castiel you could do better um and i'm happy they finally made a canon but it is upsetting they did they did it in the most vague way that's like you can interpret it like if you were a straight man watching and didn't know any and you didn't know that there was this fan base yeah you wouldn't like pick up on it necessarily yeah maddening yeah so when was it produced
00:44:32
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Um, ah very early 2000s to 2021. Okay. Yeah. so Um, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was on team forever season, very dedicated fan base.
00:44:43
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Uh, Yeah, they ah fun fact, they they ah only planned for five seasons. They had a five-season arc, and then after that, they had to figure out what to do. That's why the five seasons is all about like the end of the world, and then they had to go out and do more.
00:44:59
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ah If we were still giving points, I'd give you a point for all of your couples having a Dean in them. That was the theme. Yeah, and the fact that... And, yes, that's the theme. Right, so the guy who plays...
00:45:12
Speaker
dean in gilmore girls plays dean's brother in supernatural so he's the other main character um but he goes by sam and it's very confusing yeah to this day it was like they needed to come up with a different name or make him dean make him dean so that way he was dean across the board yeah the fact that his brother was dean was like why why They make fun of it in the show.
00:45:38
Speaker
Do they? yeah Yeah. They like acknowledge like Paris Hilton is at one point in it. like um Jensen ah does a movie with Paris Hilton.
00:45:49
Speaker
My number one most secretly toxic TV couple ah is in the same vein as yours in the sense of the secretly is about the fact that they're a couple.
00:46:00
Speaker
The toxic is obvious, but i the secret part is like kind of the Dean Castiel. um Mine is Jamie and Cersei from Game of Thrones. This came up on all the internet searches. What? Yeah, it's a common thought.
00:46:15
Speaker
i Oh, damn. But you came up with it on your own. Yeah, I didn it i didn't do any research. but I just used my brain. and But I super rooted for Jaime and Cersei and probably their only fan. Yep.
00:46:27
Speaker
I would guess But I loved that relationship and i thought it was super interesting. They were the twins. Yeah, the incestuous twins. Okay.
00:46:41
Speaker
who were ah together. But I, in the books and the movie, yeah the TV show, was super um interested in their dynamic as a romantic sibling. It's fascinating. It is fascinating. pulled in, um but not from a good place. It was super toxic, of course. But I was very much like, no, they're meant to be together. Though and in the books...
00:47:06
Speaker
Jamie has a very clear arc where I think if it were ever to finish. Brandon Tarth. Yeah. Yeah. ah Well, no, because George R.R. Martin doesn't like happy things. So no, but I don't think he would end up with Cersei.
00:47:21
Speaker
i think he would um break free of that. But in the show, he he dies with Cersei, which I was really happy about. Yeah. um Because I just thought that makes sense. Like they come into the world together. They go out of the world together.
00:47:34
Speaker
I found it deeply romantic. deeply romantic maybe if we had had top three most romantic tv yeah there's the question is not romance the question is toxic i just want to talk about them yeah that's it i know that that that they don't really fit i just want to talk because you haven't said that yet yeah nothing it's just shipping that okay well i mean obviously they get discovered in the first episode by a five-year-old child and they kick him off the like third store flurry of a house to kill him yeah so that he doesn't tell their secret uh cersei's super um manipulative abusive jamie's kind of like her dog that does anything she wants Um, she's super power hungry and will stop at nothing. Doesn't care about Jamie's thoughts, feelings, anything like that. He, ah is also horrible.
00:48:28
Speaker
Yeah. Just not necessarily to her. And then, yeah, he meets Brienne of Tarth. He's terrible to her a couple of times. What does he do? I don't remember, but the sex was hot.
00:48:41
Speaker
Well, when you're that, when you know someone that well. Exactly. It's gonna be that hot. Exactly.
00:48:52
Speaker
I was they were my top Game of Thrones couple. Yeah. The incest channel HBO. I just remember when he came back from getting his arm chopped off and for like a year and was just like out in the world being covered in dog shit and like tortured.
00:49:07
Speaker
And he comes back and she's like she's like mad at him and ignores him. Yeah. And she's like, you did this like you could have come back sooner. Yeah. You abandoned me. Yeah. It's just like, bro. Nah. Dude fought his literal life out to come back to you. Yeah.
00:49:21
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yeah God. Yeah. and Fascinating couple. Fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to talk about them. Can I do my honorable mensch?
00:49:31
Speaker
I have three honorable mensch. Thank God. Okay. My first one um is Eric and Lauren from Back with the Ex. I don't know. It's just. Oh.
00:49:43
Speaker
So I forgot about that. And I knew this was going to happen. So I don't. This was like 10 years ago that we watched this. But um it's the show where Australian reality TV show and Netflix one season long. Go watch it. It's it's the wild best reality dating TV show because they were actual exes. So their conversations are much more interesting because they do actually know each other. they It's like four couples.
00:50:09
Speaker
sure I think four couples that ah different stages of their lives and how long they've been together, how they broke up. And it is so fascinating. Yeah. Each of them is very interesting. But this specific one, this dude is like probably the worst dude in that I've seen on TV. Like he is horrible. horrible and the whole time you're really wondering oh is this the guy that offered to pay for a breast enlargement for her birthday that was her birthday gift from him yeah that man's a total piece of shit yeah and the whole time you're kind of led to believe that she might actually get back with him yeah you're like oh god and it is horrific and then in the last episode she like really gets into it and she obviously like breaks up with him and she obviously came on cheered Yeah, she thought obviously came on to just give him ah to expose him and what for him and embarrass him on national TV. And thank God for her. But also, I think he like psychologically conditioned her to yeah like, yeah yeah, I don't I don't know if she knew that.
00:51:07
Speaker
I think I think she my theory is that she knew it by the end of their first relationship and agreed to be on the show because she knew it would come out. Because I don't think with the amount of time they get that she would have realized it that quickly, like in in there, like, however weeks together. Yeah. Like it would have been a big change or catalyst. And I don't know why they wouldn't show that.
00:51:32
Speaker
OK. You know, because like it kind of comes out of the blue almost. Yeah, she kind she's like cool with it. It kind of feels like yeah she doesn't like react like if you were experiencing this again and you hadn't realized like what you had gone through. i think you would have a much more visceral reaction to a lot of his behavior.
00:51:49
Speaker
But she kind of like she's like gets it goes along with it until the end of the show. Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, it's good shit. um My ah honorable mentions include ah Ross and Rachel, course, but i was like, they're almost openly toxic at this point. yeah um Lorelai and Luke. yep ah And then Claire and Phil from Modern Family.
00:52:14
Speaker
I haven't gotten that far in. I don't know. I think it's even in the beginning ones. He like is always looking at other women. yeah he the glorious lies to her all the time, just all the time and that like is scared of her. And she's like pretty controlling, but also it's just a classic dynamic of like,
00:52:39
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fun dad yeah and like mom who has to bring down the hammer right because of it. And it's like not a partnership. It's like another child. ah Yeah.
00:52:49
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Like she literally so makes that him her fourth child. yeah yeah And it's like, yeah, it's funny. Haha. But it's also true. And it's just, I don't know. I really don't like their dynamic or that that was lauded as a good dynamic that people should have. It's a very classic dynamic, but the fact, like in real life, Claire would divorce him. Oh, 100%. Claire would have divorced him. She can do everything without him and he makes her life harder. Yeah.
00:53:16
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Like she would not be with him. And so it's just a hard, their dynamic is hard for me. yeah The internet really thinks that Mitchell and Cam are toxic. They are.
00:53:28
Speaker
I haven't gotten far. I haven't gotten far enough in the show to know either, but that was not on any of the list, but Cam and Mitchell were. Yeah. i I think they're more obviously toxic because we're so ingrained to think that Claire and Oh, that's funny because I think it's Claire and Phil very clearly. And Cam and kamron Mitchell is.
00:53:48
Speaker
Yeah. They seem fine at this point. Should we get a top three list? Yeah. Going? So refresher? My refresher is Lily and Marshall, Zaynab and Cole, Jim and Pam.
00:54:01
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Okay. Okay.
00:54:04
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Rory and Dean, Dean and Lindsay, and Destiel. Dean and Castiel. Yeah. ah Mine was Miss Piggy and Kermit, Cece and Schmidt,
00:54:19
Speaker
Wow. I have to pause each time. Cersei and... Cersei and Jaime. Yeah. So... like Jim and Pam just has to be on there. Yeah, yeah they're probably number one. Yeah. I want Dusty L on the list.
00:54:30
Speaker
Sure. i can't argue. Yeah. That's what is. Well, I didn't hear any reasons why they're toxic, though. I just heard the background story. Of the the... Like, why does Dean's like constantly gaslighting Castiel and like not letting him get close or just like being super rude to him. And and like Castiel is like going out of his way to do a bunch of shit for Dean. And Dean's always like, it's not enough. And Castiel's like, I have nothing more to give. ah it's like the giving tree. castiel's kind of like the butt of his jokes a lot oh dean makes fun of him is that right is that wrong maybe i'm misremembering i haven't watched it and i think i stopped that season like eight i don't feel like i don't feel like you no i don't feel that no never mind
00:55:17
Speaker
Okay. I want Lily and Marshall because I feel like they're secretly toxic. Like I think that kind of like Jim and Pam. good secret one. Yeah. It's like both are the the the main rooting one that you root for, but neither is good.
00:55:32
Speaker
Yeah. None of yours are on there. You lose. I feel like, so I feel like CC and Schmidt should be on there because people do not talk about it. Like that one is under the radar of like, cause I looked to see it like if any, during this podcast to see if anybody was like, I couldn't find yeah like people even talking about it.
00:55:54
Speaker
Like I would say we could take Jim and Pam out cause everybody knows that one. That's a huge one. Sure. But like, so you can have one in. Yeah. No, because I think that Cece and Schmidt is secretly to are actually secretly toxic. The most secretly toxic.
00:56:10
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Like if we were going to say who's the most secret out of these. yeah I think Jim and Pam wouldn't be produced the way they are today. like I think it's like Ross and Rachel was accepted at the time and now we look back and we're like, that's fucked.
00:56:21
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I think Jim and Pam is also like, we would look back and be like, that's that's fucked. yeah there's so many But I think that Cece and Schmidt always is a little bit like... Well, we'll see. But like, I think that that one would always be a secret.
00:56:34
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Sounds good. Yeah. Good enough. We can put Lily and Marshall first for sure. Okay. Cause they are like, yeah, that's a rough one. Piece of work.
00:56:45
Speaker
Yeah. It's all spread out over so long that you kind of like forget all the shit that they do to each other. Okay. Sorry. I'm done. This has been another wonderful episode.
00:56:58
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I'm going to say it. I'm sure you're saying it too at home or wherever you're listening. What? What's that look? i just don't know what you're going to say. i am and i'm not I don't know. i was going to I was saying this has been a wonderful episode. I'm saying it on behalf of the listener. It's a closing remark. I thought you were saying it's been a wonderful episode and then I thought you were going to say I'm sure you're all thinking it second thought.
00:57:19
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Gotcha. was like what's another thought? I don't have another thought. Empty up here. Totally empty. ah Yeah, this has been great. I'm sure you agree. And we will see you next time.
00:57:30
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hit us up on social media. Tell us what your favorite toxic. No, not your favorite. Just your top three secretly toxic TV couples. I would love to hear if you agree. if you disagree. I really want to hear what people think about this one for sure. So let us know.
00:57:45
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Tag us. And we will see you next time. yeah, brother. Bye. Bye.