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My Adventures with Superman E: 7-9
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Zuhair and J Scotty continue their coverage of My Adventures with Superman with the final 3 episodes before the season wraps up!
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Introduction and Show Enthusiasm
00:00:01
Speaker
On another exciting episode of the Animation Deliberation Podcast, our favorite Kryptonian show is getting a little spicy, not so feel-good anymore. We're going to be talking about My Adventures with Superman, episodes 7 through 9, right at these ads. We have no control over. Sing along if you know the words.
About 'Animation Deliberation' Podcast
00:00:18
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One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah.
00:00:30
Speaker
Yeah, welcome back to another episode of Animation Deliberation, the podcast where we take action animation and cartoon seriously, but not too seriously. We're your host times here early. And I'm Jay Scottie Sinclair. And as I said at the top, things are getting very spicy. Like, it was just like the weekly feel-good show, and we had cute stories, and we enjoyed the action where it came. But now we have cliffhangers. Things are getting intense. How are you feeling about this show? This is a good chunk of episodes. We're covering it once.
00:00:58
Speaker
Yeah. So when we first started covering the show, I went on record of saying like, this might be my favorite interpretation of Superman ever, like favorite depiction ever. And now that we're like, you know, getting towards the end of the season, nothing has changed.
Rewatch Value and Storyline Impact
00:01:12
Speaker
I continue to love this show. I'm delighted by the show. I love this interpretation of all of these characters and it continues to be one of the shows I look forward to watching most every week and
00:01:25
Speaker
You know, full transparency. There's sometimes like doing this podcast, I'll rewatch episodes of certain shows and like, don't get me wrong. I love them on the first watch, but sometimes it does feel like a little bit of a chore to have to rewatch them in preparation for a podcast. That is never the case with my adventures with Superman. I always enjoy doing a second viewing just to pick up on all the little things that I missed out on. So, uh, clearly I am still really digging it. What are you, what are you thinking?
00:01:50
Speaker
Yeah, I remember when we were recording last week, we mentioned episode seven, it's just kind of like, man, we know he said we're going to do three. So this is one that really need to talk about. And then sure, we saw a part one and a part two are just like, oh, things are getting whole.
00:02:05
Speaker
Yeah, like I definitely don't have the time to rewatch because I've showed like what my weekly slate is but yeah, you know with the fact that with these little recaps like the scenes just keep popping back into my head and I'm just like so excited to relive it and talk about it. And I'm always just telling people it's like, bro, you got to watch the show. It's so good. Right. I try not to overhype things but like, give the DC love where it's deserved. This is DC properties that deserve love. Yeah, yeah, this is one of the best.
Recommendations and Tribute to Arleen Sorkin
00:02:33
Speaker
If by some miracle you're listening to this podcast and haven't watched the show somehow, watch the show because we're being pretty non-spoilery right now, but trust and believe we will be getting super spoilery before too long. But before we do that, a couple of quick things to talk about. You want to take things up before we brought it down a little bit, then we bring it right back up.
00:02:58
Speaker
Yeah, well, speaking to that, we have two things to address here. One is a little bit of sad news. The other one is kind of some housekeeping for the podcast. So I guess we'll start with the bad news first and then continue our upward trajectory here. Not that these episodes aren't, you know,
00:03:17
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rife with their own conflicts. But yeah, it's sad news in the world of animation and voice acting. Arlene Sorkin, the original voice actor for Harley Quinn, the one that originated the role on Batman the Animated Series back in the early 90s, passed away on August 24th at age 67. So I do not believe that a cause of death has been
00:03:42
Speaker
revealed at this point in time, but that's neither here nor there. 67 is kind of on the young side, but thankfully she has an incredible body of work and that all her fans can kind of go back and celebrate and revisit, but I do want to offer condolences to her friends, her family, her fans, and just really voice some appreciation for the work she did as Harley Quinn because I love Margot Robbie's interpretation of Harley Quinn. I'm looking forward to seeing Lady Gaga's interpretation
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Kaylee Cuoco on the Harley
Harley Quinn's Origin and Listener Feedback
00:04:13
Speaker
Quinn animated series, like they're all doing great things, but Arlene Sorkin and the voice she did is Harley Quinn and everything is kind of like paying homage to what she did there. Yeah, Kevin Conroy passed away last year. Arlene Sorkin this year, just everything from that show was iconic. And for her to be the first one to voice this character, it's not very often that
00:04:39
Speaker
we get a new character within animation or live action media that makes its way into the comics and becomes the staple and becomes a part of the foundation of iconic heroes despite all the people that we've had throughout the years. So for her to portray that character and give it light and have so much of a legacy for people to carry on this character, it's just a sad day for understanding.
00:05:06
Speaker
what she did and the legacy that she's leaving behind. For sure, she will be sorely missed. All right. And the other piece we have here before we get into my adventures with Superman rather, I wanted to address a piece of feedback that we got. So I'll let you take the lead on this one.
00:05:29
Speaker
Yeah. So, uh, we got feedback from Andre and we're going to get a little more into it when we watch it, but, uh, there is a movie that's dropped. Ruby X. Justice league part one. It is the other way around. Justice league X Ruby. Justice league X Ruby. Uh, it's definitely something that's been out of our list and this week I will actually be flying to Dallas. So it's going to be on my downloads and things to watch on my flight. Um, so.
00:05:58
Speaker
We were planning on syncing up and doing a review of that too, because I remember just watching the character trailers for RWBY back in the day. It wasn't a show that I finished, but it was an artistic style and definitely action choreography that I really, really appreciated. And when I saw that there was a crossover, I definitely was excited. So I have no excuse for taking as long as I have to watch it, except dying at work.
00:06:24
Speaker
That is definitely something that we're going to be hitting sooner or later, and we're going to have all the chats about it. Yeah, so thank you for the reminder there, Andre. We didn't forget about you. I wanted to let you know we got your feedback. Just hold off and we'll have some reactions for you sooner rather than later.
DC Animated Content and Liquid IV Promotion
00:06:41
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Episode 7 Synopsis and Anime Influences
00:10:45
Speaker
Okay, so with that said and done, let's get into the reason we're here, My Adventures with Superman, kicking things off with episode seven titled Kiss Kiss, Fallen Portal, which I guess is like a play on words like kiss, kiss, fall in love, but it also makes me think of Kiss Kiss, bang, bang, that Robert Downey Jr., Shane Black, Val Kilmer movie from like 2007, I wanna say.
00:11:14
Speaker
I have to look that up and see if I was right, but I feel like I'm pretty close. Anyway, after Clark shows Lois and Jimmy his spaceship and clarifies his incomplete alien origin, Clark and Lois plan their first date. However, he is interrupted by Mr. Mixie Petlik, a multiversal imp who deceives him into helping him steal a recorder from a museum on Earth-1, revealing Clark is from the planet Krypton in the process.
00:11:37
Speaker
Meanwhile, Lois and Jimmy are recruited by the Multiversal League of Lois Lanes to help them stop Mixie's Pitalik and Clark. Suspicious of their intentions, Lois searches their files stumbling onto the redacted file X, which I have to believe is a reference to the X files. I really hope so. But anyway.
00:11:56
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Upon finding them, the League attack Clark, while Mixie Pitlick hijacks the League's vessel and travels to their headquarters with the recorder and Lois' help. As Lois steals the original File X, Mixie's Pitlick retrieves his hat, regains his full strength, and causes chaos until Superman distracts him, allowing Lois to depower him and Jimmy to restrain him. While the League arrests Mixie Spitlick, ah, he's doing so good.
00:12:21
Speaker
Uh, Mixie spit, Jimmy's counterpart, Jelana secretly brings the interns back to their native earth 12 or Clark and Lois finished their date following this Lois opens file X and finds recordings of an evil alternate universe of evil alternate universe Superman and a sample of a green crystal of the league used to injure Superman. Have you seen, and this could have been what you were referencing our on high school host club.
00:12:51
Speaker
I do not know what that is. What is that? The title is a reference to the opening theme of Oran High School Host Club's Sakura kiss, which famously starts with the line kiss, kiss, fall in love. No, I had no idea what that was. I was just. I stumbled across that because it just made sense to me. Fall, fall in portal, fall in love. Yeah.
00:13:14
Speaker
I wanted to give you some validation and then I just got curious. Okay. I appreciate it. I still feel validated even though I don't know what it is. It's from a manga originally serialized in 2002. So I guess it has an anime, 26 episodes aired in 2006. Okay. Nice. Yeah. Got to listen later. I'm curious now.
00:13:37
Speaker
Yeah, it's interesting that this title took influence from anime because the series is obviously an anime in its own right being animated by Studio Mir rather out of South Korea, I believe it is.
00:13:57
Speaker
One other thing that kind of stood out to me about this episode was how, so I've seen a few different versions of Mixie Spitlik or Mixie as the show calls him. That might be easier for both of us here, but his character design was like the most anime inspired thing like we've seen in the series for me, just the interpretation and like he was exactly what he needed to be. He was an imp, but to that end, he kind of reminded me of like a character you might just see right out of Dragon Ball Z.
00:14:26
Speaker
You know, stand right next to King Kai or any of those, like, you know, otherworldly creatures from that show. And I don't think you would stand out at all. It was a great character design. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. My biggest point off of this is I'm definitely on the record and saying how exhausted I am with multiverse. So when we were leaning towards, you know, a council of Lois's who was like, oh boy. But they actually did do a really good job with it. It was fine.
Superman's Origin and Multiverse Discussion
00:14:56
Speaker
It was one of those things where it's like we're using it for this episode, but it doesn't necessarily need to be an ongoing thing. Sure. So it worked for what they were going for, but I did cringe a little and I was like, come on. You know, I think it's a fair point. The multiverse is all the rage right now. Like everybody has a multiverse. We're seeing a lot of stories about the multiverse, but I do feel like they took a fresh approach, like especially like
00:15:23
Speaker
I think focusing on Lois and allowing it to provide so much character development for Lois and have her question her abilities and her relationship with Clark. I just thought it was really, really well done and did enough to change up the formula to where I was really engaged. There's been a number of episodes this season. I've liked pretty much every episode.
00:15:47
Speaker
As it stands right now, this might be my favorite episode of the season so far, just because it did a lot of heavy lifting. We got so many references. Don't even get me started. The helmet of fate, I'm sure we're going to talk about everything we saw. But even on top of that and the nods to all the other animated series and Superman as a crab, that was hilarious. But even apart from that, I feel like this episode did a lot of heavy lifting. This series is an origin story.
00:16:16
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but it's being very careful about not to be like tried and like it's being cognizant that like so many of us are pretty intimately familiar with the origin of Superman and it's trying to present it in a way that's still like engaging and the fact that like the first time we really see kryptonite in its full form and like here the word krypton it's like
00:16:36
Speaker
Mixie just drops those things like so casually like it's a really interesting way to introduce it into the into the continuity and the canon here without being super expositional and it's like I just really appreciated the way that was done and how a lot of these these like staples of Superman and who he is and his world how they're being introduced in pretty novel ways. Yeah. And I think one of the reasons that it works for
00:17:04
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this show in particular is because there's so many different types of DC content coming out simultaneously that we're already switching like between the Flash movie and watching Harley Quinn and watching Justice League and Ruby and this. So like to have an episode that just like addresses other characters like isn't weird for us who are constantly consuming DC content in different formats anyways.
00:17:29
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So for them to just touch on that for a quick second and then go back in. And like you said, it was a very unique way of like bringing stuff that's very relevant to the story. But the whole first thing doesn't have to carry the rest of it. I think that was the most important part.
00:17:46
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I agree. And as you were talking about that, it kind of brought something to mind. And I kind of want to talk about the Flash. So I'll provide a spoiler warning for the Flash if you haven't seen the Flash yet. And I'm on record as like, yeah, yeah, it's on Macs as of the time of this recording, just brand new to Macs. So if you haven't seen it.
00:18:03
Speaker
I encourage you to check it out because I did like the movie for the most part. I was listening to another podcast and I heard a really interesting conversation and it's not competition or anything like that. It's support all creators. It's just reinforcing for me how this episode and this show did the multiverse right and did those homages and those cameos to where
00:18:27
Speaker
You know, they weren't like, it was, it was nice. It was like those of us that are indoctrinated. We're like, Hey, I recognize that version or that version. Whereas like, so again, spoilers for the flash year, but so they have the sequence at the end where Barry is, you know, in the speed force and the whole multiverse is kind of being presented to him. And you see these.
00:18:46
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universes collapsing in on each other and colliding and they use that as an opportunity to do a bunch of cameos to varying effects because they don't use real people. They're all digi doubles and some of those people have not been around for a long time.
00:19:03
Speaker
I guess the quality to which it is done is up for debate. But the podcast I was listening to, the point that they made is you get these cameos for all these beloved characters and these versions of the characters, but they're presented as something you don't want to see. It's like these universes are crashing into ours. We need to get rid of them. And in a lot of cases, they're just standing there doing nothing. The Nick Cage Superman cameo is the one excepted.
00:19:28
Speaker
exception, which is my absolute favorite. That actually got an audible reaction and cheer out of me in the theaters. They made the comparison where it was an in-game showing all these characters. That was earned and
00:19:47
Speaker
so much had built up to that, the making of that. Whereas like DC was like, well, we want that. How do we make it happen? Oh, we just show the characters on screen. People will catch up and it's like, no, but you present them as like an actual problem that we want to get rid of. So it's like, yeah, it's cool to see them on screen. It's like, no, they're the, they're the conflict. They're the, they're the problem. Get them off screen, get that universe out of here. They're not helping. They're not assembling to solve our problem, but yeah.
00:20:14
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And to that point, I guess that was kind of why Crisis on Infinite Earths was so fascinating was because like, there was like,
00:20:24
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the robin from like the original tv series was in it but then you had like characters from titans and it's like there was the people who were like being threatened and you got to see like a little bit and then like barry allen from the flash series like shows of it so it's like you could see like who was threatened by and who was actually helping from it and you had the people in the shows and the other multiverse and the shows i think did a really good job but they did a really fun like when they popped up it was genuinely excited but again with with that movie it was just a little
00:20:54
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to that point, like, see what you were going for. Sure. And we mentioned a lot like on our flash to flashpoint paradox comparison, where it's like, you know, my thoughts were just that I was just upset that it had to be rushed and that they couldn't give me time because of opinion. But, you know, coming back to this.
00:21:14
Speaker
It was cool seeing all the different versions of Lois and the fact that Jimmy had a version of himself that understood him and saw him for who he was and all that fun stuff. They just made it a delight. I don't think there were too many characters aside from the Dr. Fate helmet that I recognize. There was a couple of things in the cases and stuff, but overall, it was just kind of like they did it in a way where even if you don't know,
00:21:38
Speaker
what they're talking about. I think like the original Lois Lane from the Superman series was the only one that I like really recognized. Sure. But outside of that, it's just kind of like you don't even need to know them to just kind of appreciate the diversity of like what they come up with for that for that headquarters.
00:21:56
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. And I absolutely did love the one variance of Jimmy that we got to see Jelana and how she went on her expositional tirade about this telepathic unicorn. And her delivery was just so enthusiastic and just like Jimmy. It was like Jimmy has found his equal. And so, yeah, I loved all those interactions.
00:22:22
Speaker
It was like I kind of alluded to using this as a vehicle to have Lois kind of question herself. And there was a moment where Mixie said something to Lois. I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was pretty insulting to her.
00:22:41
Speaker
out of all the lowest lanes, like you were the one that was, you know, left on the ship or whatever. But she uses that as an opportunity to like show her mistrust for the other Lois's and then he's like, oh.
00:22:54
Speaker
You're kind of like Lois Prime. She was the one that didn't trust anybody else. So it's like, I know which Lois you are. You're the fun one. Yeah. And it was after the other Lois that says that like not all of them get recruited. Like you need to stand out. Thank you. That's what it was. Yeah. It was more for dialogue than mixies where it's like, yeah, you, you're not, you're not league material, but you are enough like us to where you could be a problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was.
00:23:19
Speaker
Oh, one line of dialogue that Mixie had that I absolutely loved is when he left Lois in the headquarters to go off and find his hat. And he's like, this will be more fun to see you figure these things out. I'm not going to give you all the answers. And he's like, here you go. The knowledge of the multiverse, at your fingertips. The way he delivered that, I absolutely love that. The voice actor was really, really spot on.
00:23:50
Speaker
Yeah, it was a really fun episode, especially with how amazing...
00:23:58
Speaker
Clark Kent's performance was like we give all the praise to Jack Wade every week. Sure. Also because only name I remember because I'm really bad with names. But for him to for for Mixie to be so dynamic and exciting and fun and la di da and for Clark to still genuinely be concerned with like where's Lois and why am I here and like not clicking that this guy's a villain. He's actually doing the wrong thing and he's been duped and right.
00:24:27
Speaker
to have that balance and still every emotion be relevant to whether it is tension or fear or excitement or comedy. It never felt like you had, it was forced to flip from one to the other. It switched like that and they felt great every time.
Team Dynamics and Humorous Moments
00:24:49
Speaker
Yeah, I agree and I like the way that was presented because I'm not, I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of the comics or anything like that, but I've been exposed enough to know that, you know, Mixie Spitlick is usually presented as like this trickster and like the way Superman always defeats him is not with like brute strength or brawn, like he has to outsmart him. So I really appreciated when
00:25:12
Speaker
Like Mixie said something to the effect like, you can't, you can't hurt me. You can't touch me. And then Superman was like, no, but I do have one more trick up my sleeve. And then again, it was like just speaking to like our trio here. Lois is the one that reaches through the portal, grabs his hat and then Jimmy helps to restrain him. So this very much, it's kind of like, to your point, like the best versions of Superman are these ones that aren't like all powerful. Like his, his villains get the upper hand of him, upper hand on him.
00:25:37
Speaker
from time to time rather but the other thing you brought up was speaking to jack waves performance in the nuance that's there and that made me think of like.
00:25:45
Speaker
in the beginning of the episode. So Lois and Clark are finally a thing and they're going to have their first date and to just see them both like have this like obsessive compulsive. Yeah. Yeah. It was like they are made for each other. They're like in Jimmy. Jimmy's like, I'm going to go to Lois's where it's not so weird. And he gets in and he's like, oh, she's doing the exact same thing.
00:26:07
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his delivery and everything is so great. And I love how like snappy the animation is with everything. Like it's not like a smooth motion. It's like the frame actually goes from like looking one way to the other, but it just works so well with just kind of like how jittery everything is in the show. Yeah. And I love how Jimmy, he like, it would be very easy for him to be kind of like this annoying third wheel, but like
00:26:30
Speaker
now that he had that arc in the last few episodes we talked about, he sees what his friends are doing and he just excuses himself. I do think, I can't remember if it was in this episode or one of the later episodes, but he sees that he should excuse himself from them, but then he can't help but peek back around the corner and give Clark the smile and the thumbs up like, hey, best swing man ever.
00:26:54
Speaker
So cute. I love every second of the show. Yeah. Yeah. Likewise. Did you have anything else you wanted to bring up about this episode in particular? Just that I had no idea who Mixie was throughout the episode. Oh really? So I like your inside of just comparing him and just kind of like how he just met the standard of like what little bits you knew about him. Yeah. Yeah. And my kind of takeaway is like, so from what I do know about Mixie is he's like a fourth dimensional being.
00:27:22
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So I think my interpretation is like we did get the information that like this show is taking place on earth 12. So I think I'm kind of like my takeaway is like, there's only one Mixie Spitalik and the way that he can present himself is, you know, he can, he can portray himself however he wants to. So we've seen some really goofy and like comical versions in the past, but yeah, this, this anime version worked really well for me.
00:27:52
Speaker
I like it like a lot. Cool. Cool. So, uh, I guess we shall move on if you want to tackle the synopsis for episode eight.
Episode 8 Summary and Superman's Challenges
00:28:02
Speaker
Episode eight, zero day part one. The general uses shock collars to forcibly recruit live wire, inter-gang and heat wave into assisting Slade and Ivo capture Superman.
00:28:14
Speaker
Meanwhile, after developing Superhearing and hearing everyone in the cities crying for help, Clark runs himself ragged helping everyone and soon becomes sleep deprived and weakened. When Gotham Gazette journalist Vicky Vale arrives to cover his activities, Lois is starstruck to meet her only to be disappointed when Vale runs a biased story defaming Superman as a menace to gain a promotion.
00:28:38
Speaker
Superman saves an invisible mist from being hit by a truck but accidentally causes an accident turning public opinion against him. Mist says Task Force X kidnaps Siobhan.
00:28:54
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and Superman offers to rescue her only to be led into a trap and attacked by the group. Though he holds his own despite his weakened state, Superman is eventually knocked out by Ivo via his upgraded parasite armor and live-ar. The general stops Ivo from killing him as he wants to interrogate Superman. Mist regrets luring Superman into the trap as Lois and Jimmy rush to the scene but arrive to see the group carry Superman away.
00:29:22
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Yeah. So we can probably just kind of talk about episode eight and nine collectively. So I'll go ahead and knock out the synopsis for episode nine, unless you wanted to tackle episode eight individually. I guess just quick points would be emotion wise, like I was actually surprised that battle got as intense as it did. Okay.
00:29:47
Speaker
because like I say, when I watch content I'm really into, like I put logic away and I just kind of get lost in what's happening. So for it to be like a ruse the whole time and
00:29:59
Speaker
Superman to fall for that the way that he did and all then just like beat the living daylights out of him while he hasn't had sleep he hasn't had enough sun he you know just had an argument with his main trio so it's like this is the most alone he's been to just everything about this episode I'm glad that I got to watch these back to back because I sure was like I need I need resolve right now and we can yeah that resolve is yeah yeah no I agree with you it's like
00:30:28
Speaker
Superman is a character that even when he's getting roughed up a little bit, it's hard to be super fearful for him. But there was a legitimate moment where the villains are all encircling him in the sky. And it was like, wow, he's really the odds are stacked against him. He's outnumbered. I'm kind of worried about him. And then when Parasite does the double-fisted over-the-head pummel onto his chest, and the way he hits the ground, and there's that shockwave, it's like, ooh, he felt that one. Yeah.
00:30:58
Speaker
The one other thing I wanted to hit on about this episode is a little bit lighter. It was kind of cool to see Vicki Vale and like this interpretation of where she's not that kind of a person. And she's got this history with Perry. But when Lois is leaving to go with Vicki, she calls Perry chief and his reaction was just like, don't call me that. And like shuts the door on her. And then later on, Jimmy's like, Oh yeah, we call him chief to annoy. And she's like, I love that. And she makes a note of that. Like I love the small little detail.
00:31:28
Speaker
Who was this? What happened to the second best reporter that was there? They haven't seen Perry in a while, so just to see him frustrated to that extent was fun. Right. Yeah, definitely. Superman wasn't the only one to be tricked this episode. Perry felt pretty hook, line and sinker for Vicki Vale's trickery.
00:31:58
Speaker
Evil! I'll display our preferences tonight. Yeah.
00:32:06
Speaker
All right, well, we can continue to talk about episode eight, but maybe with the context of episode nine here.
Episode 9 Resolution and Social Media Rally
00:32:12
Speaker
So episode nine, Zero Day Part Two. In flashbacks to Zero Day, the General Waller and their forces were attacked by an alien army led by a Superman-like figure codename, Nemesis Omega, before a mysterious event forced the army into a retreat that left their technology behind. In the present, the new Skid Legion helps Lois and Jimmy search for Superman while the General interrogates him for information on Zero Day.
00:32:35
Speaker
From Superman's anguished reaction, the general doubts his connection to it, while a displeased Waller secretly helps the prisoners escape, during which Livewire electrocutes Slade's dried eye. A vengeful Ivo attacks Superman, but inadvertently frees him. Flip eventually finds and takes him to safety.
00:32:53
Speaker
Clark believes he was sent to Earth to destroy it, but Lois assures him otherwise. Upon learning Ivo is siphoning the power grid and going on a rampage, Lois and Jimmy use social media to petition Metropolis's citizens to turn off their power, weakening Ivo so Superman can use his newly awakened X-ray vision to locate and remove Ivo from the suit. As Superman and Lois declare their love, Jimmy finds File X.
00:33:18
Speaker
On Checkmate's behalf, Waller demotes the General and gives him Ivo's last invention, the Omega Cannon, with orders to kill Superman. Waller taking over Cast Force S. Surprise, surprise. I didn't see that coming. For sure. Yeah, yeah. It was bound to happen. I think the biggest comp that I have for this episode is the Spider-Man video game, where Spider-Man has to fight Mr. Negative and the Sinister Six for the first time.
00:33:46
Speaker
Okay. And just how crazy that cinema got. Sure. That's how it felt like this. It's like, I'm genuinely worried. Like I know I have like eight more hours of gameplay to go, but it's like, I'm genuinely worried about this guy right now. Yeah. Yeah. That was, that was a great sequence. I'm trying to remember. Okay. So yeah, I don't want to go off on too much of a tangent here, but I'm recalling that mission and some of the boss battles because it was like electro and vulture were paired together and then Rhino and scorpion were paired together. Yeah.
00:34:15
Speaker
And then, yeah, then you fight Mr. Negative and Dr. Octopus. I think you fight them separately, Mr. Negative and Dr. Octopus. Yeah, because Beauregard like makes the change throughout the game. You're working for him initially. Yeah, yeah. Such a good game. Such a good story. Yeah. One of the, one of the things the synopsis kind of like left out, but I found to be like one of the most impactful and like kind of heartfelt moments is like, yeah, the, the general has this moment where he starts to doubt,
00:34:48
Speaker
like Clark believing that he's a weapon, like he didn't kind of come up on that with his own, like the general told him like, you're no hero, we both know what you are, you're a weapon. And then the next time he sees Lois, he's like, when you asked me who I am, I didn't know, but now I do, I'm a weapon. It's like, I can shoot lasers out of my eyes, I can rip steel into like, I am made for destruction and kind of like coming off of the last episode where public opinion was so easily swayed against him after just a couple of missteps that were, you know,
00:35:10
Speaker
because he sees Superman crying.
00:35:16
Speaker
because he was dealing with a newfound superpower. Like, I don't want super hearing. Like, that seems super stressful, like hearing everybody's problems. It kind of reminds me of Bruce Almighty, where Jim Carrey's character inherits the powers of God and can hear everyone's prayers, rather. Yeah, I've already got normal stress. I don't need super stress. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
00:35:39
Speaker
On a more lighthearted note, one of the things I noticed about this episode that I've benefited from the rewatch on is when
00:35:47
Speaker
And it's, it's one thing I appreciate about this show when these, some of these episodes are like extremely action heavy, like, especially with like Superman going toe to toe with some like truly powerful beings. Lois and Jimmy are never really sidelined all that much. Like they're always given agency and given something to do. So the fact that they get to use like their social media presence to, uh, kind of unite the citizens of metropolis, which is, you know, something we've seen before, like the citizens of a city, like kind of come together to help our hero.
00:36:17
Speaker
you know, taking on more than he can chew. But when they were on the phone, like I made a special point to like look at the comments that were like scrolling around. And one of them said deep fake in the fact that it's. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Those I wish I could remember them, but those were like fun to read because some were like motivational and some were just like, like they threw the trolls in that really well. No doubt. Yeah.
00:36:47
Speaker
So logic did come in a little bit on the scene too. And I was like, Shut up, shut up, shut up. Because I was thinking like, as a protocol, like somebody had to have figured out that there was power and it's like, why didn't, why didn't like the police like order the power to be shut off at that point? Like that's happened in different situations in different movies. So, so that, that one and it amazed me that
00:37:11
Speaker
Lois and Jimmy made it all the way from the Daily Planet to the park before like any police officers or park security or anybody like started like guiding people away sure like hey Evacuate stop recording these aliens fighting each other, right? It's like okay. I get it. You have 20 minutes. You have to get to the point There's like a vibe I'm going with but that was like my logic was just like seeping out of its timeout corner and it just like stabbed
00:37:39
Speaker
That's funny because I had a similar thought during kind of the same sequence. So you were at the, they show the daily planet and like the lights are off. So there's no power, but they're still on like.
00:37:50
Speaker
some kind of computer watching the update. And I was like, yeah, it was a desktop, like a hollow, hollow screen desktop. It's like you've got all the other power, but you still are running this computer. Like I get you want to stay informed, but that seems like an unnecessary risk. It's like, we don't know where the switch to the backup generator is. So we still have this. Yeah. Yeah. Little things like that kind of got to me, but it was like, obviously I wasn't deterring it anyway, but it was like, sure. So is it like.
00:38:19
Speaker
Gotham's police is just so useless that crime gets so crazy when Metropolis is so safe that the officers just have nothing to do. It's like, oh, crap, no work to do now. We have super villains to deal with at this point. We weren't well in line for this.
00:38:33
Speaker
Right, right. While we're on the subject of gripes, like these are super, super minor, but one thing I did find... Yeah, yeah, but one thing I did kind of find a little disappointing is like, so in these two episodes, I would say Slay didn't feature super prominently, but we did see how he lost his eye at the hands of Live Wire. And they had a history, like we saw that scene in like one of the earliest episodes where he was like threatening her and basically
00:39:01
Speaker
forcing her hand to be subservient to Task Force X. But like you have Slade like involved in all the fights and in the breakout and everything like that. But they did not give him any lines of dialogue. Like I checked the credits both times around and they did not. Chris Parnell was not given any lines, which like I get, you know, the show has a budget. They have to cut costs where they can. But it's like, oh, come on. Like if you're going to have Slade features so prominently, throw him a line here or there. But, you know,
00:39:31
Speaker
Yeah, it was cool seeing like when there was a like the prison break right away. He just threw on like the first like vest that he found it has got like a couple weapons was trying when when I talk about how I don't like seeing Superman OP, I do like the what young justice does really well of like showing how like the bat family holds up with super
00:39:53
Speaker
super being. So for them to kind of add that flavor into this where it's like, yeah, slaves a human, but that's not stopping him from like going against this incredible tech and super people and all that stuff. So it was cool. Just like, all right, time for me to get to work. Like I'm still getting paid here. And yeah, sure. He got his ad hand to him, but he was able to hold his own like here and there as well. So little things like that. I really appreciate it. Yeah.
00:40:19
Speaker
Likewise, likewise. And it also shows us limitations because I think it was in the episode prior. But at some point, like when Superman was being overwhelmed, like he had to kind of like clear the field a little bit and like he did something to the ground and you just kind of see it slayed off to the side and like some rubble. And it's like, yeah, when Superman decides to like turn it up to eleven, like he's not going to have a chance. So yeah, because it's morals that tones Superman back. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:40:48
Speaker
Another thing that's just kind of coming to mind now is so in episode eight when Vicky finds her angle and she finds her interview subject that's going to the biased source that's going to speak negatively about Superman, it's this character, Alex, who was like Ivo's assistant the last time we saw him in episode four. And I can't take credit for this. This is a rumor that I saw or like a theory that I saw on the internet, but people are speculating that
00:41:17
Speaker
Given the nature of this guy's speech and his ability to really point out the inherent danger of Superman, what if Alex is short for Alexander and he may go by Lex in the future because we have not gotten his last name as far as I'm aware. Okay.
00:41:37
Speaker
I like it. Yeah. That's creative. Yeah. It'd be cool to see a whole origin story pursue and if he's still at the facility, he has access to some of the technology and wants to out power. Yeah. I'm more with that. For sure. Likewise. Likewise. That'd be pretty cool. The other thing.
00:41:58
Speaker
So I kind of talked about on the last recording that we did how the three episodes we selected paired really nicely
Speculations and Season Finale Expectations
00:42:05
Speaker
together. And I think these three episodes paired pretty nicely together as well because it just kind of furthered my speculation that we're going to get the revelation that the general is Lois's father because when Lois is seeing these other versions of herself, one of them says like,
00:42:23
Speaker
this one is ready to talk to her dad and like make amends with her dad and reconnect with her dad. And then when the general has his flashback to zero day, he's like, Waller gives him shit because he's on the phone like talking to someone he's like, I'll be home soon, which I assume is his wife and Waller says something to the effect like,
00:42:40
Speaker
your judgments being clouded or you're being sympathetic to him because he reminds you of her. And it's like, who is her? And you know, he makes the point that like, if he ages the same as we are, like he wouldn't be old enough to have been there for zero day. So that makes me think like he's probably around the same age as his daughter, i.e. Lois Lane. Fear leads to the dark side. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I like it. I like it.
00:43:05
Speaker
Yeah. Darkseid may be coming. One thing I am realizing that I didn't do that I meant to do is when we saw the flashbacks to Zero Day, the Kryptonians had their own versions of the mechs that we see in the future, but they had a symbol on their chest and I was like, oh, what is that symbol that seems vaguely familiar, but I can't place it.
00:43:30
Speaker
I think I was just in shock of how much of the stuff was Kryptonian. Because I genuinely don't know where they're going with the story of having an invader that
00:43:41
Speaker
came already at some point, who that was, and like, does it have an older brother that we don't know of? Like- Yeah, yeah, I'm- Is this odd? Was he like- Yeah, that's kind of where my mind went. I'm not super confident on it, but I was like, if it's anybody, like, it could potentially be Zod, and like, that white blast that we see that causes everything to shut down in the portal to like, go away. I was like, was that Krypton exploding? I don't- Yeah. Oh. Okay. Yeah.
00:44:10
Speaker
I don't know. I didn't really have an answer for that one. They showed the closeup on the Kryptonian's face where he was like emitting the laser out of his face. And I thought it was his like face mask opening up and I thought we were going to see somebody, but not the case. But another thought that's just coming to me right now as I'm like spit balling here is like, so if the general indeed is Lois's father, what if this version of Jor-El is not such a good guy?
00:44:38
Speaker
And this version of Superman actually was sent to earth as a weapon, but he decides to not go there out because we've seen there are evil versions of Superman out there. Maybe there's an evil version of Jor-El and like both of our protagonists here have to deal with father figures that are not exactly savory. Like that could be an interesting fold and do enough to keep the story fresh. Yeah, I could see.
00:45:07
Speaker
Jarell being an antagonist, just, just, but like, obviously we couldn't understand what he was saying, but in the, in his presence in that hologram, like he didn't really seem to. It seems like he was barking at Clark. Yeah. This could be like a Raditz and Goku situation. Oh, sure. Sure. I was like, I know you get that much. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Special beam cat. Cat.
00:45:37
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, but like because he despite knowing that Planet Vegeta had been destroyed was still like doing his thing, right? And then came like, all right, time for you to get back to work. So it's like, what if Jor-El or Zod or a cousin of Superman that's not Kara, but if it is Kara is actually coming to like be like, all right, bud, like you're an adult now, you got your power. So I'm going to get back to work. Let's invade this place.
00:46:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good thought. It totally could be Kara because that makes me think of Injustice. Injustice 2, she was presented as a pawn of Brainiac and was initially an antagonist. That could be an interesting way to take it.
00:46:22
Speaker
I will say like in a lot of ways like episode nine kind of felt like a season finale so I find myself kind of like curious like what kind of story are we going to get in this final episode is it going to be set up for next season because by all accounts like this show has been received very well so I have to imagine that's going to get a second season.
00:46:42
Speaker
I don't know how the strikes might impact that. I don't think this show, the writers are a part of the Writers Guild of America. I do believe they're in the Writers Guild, but with our main character being voiced by Jack Quaid, I don't know
00:46:58
Speaker
if being on strike impacts his ability to do any voice recording for a show like this, I'd have to do some additional research. Or if he's supporting writers and just doesn't do it based off of that. Yeah. Show us solidarity. Yeah, I can totally see that. Yeah. But even if we had to wait a while on the show, it would be tough and I'd definitely be excited to see more. But if it takes waiting to get a quality product, I would be more than willing to.
00:47:26
Speaker
Yeah, we wait like what, three, four years for Young Justice seasons. Right. Exactly. So I started that show in 2013, 14, around season four. Right. So with you saying that this episode felt like a season finale, would you want him to know more about
00:47:52
Speaker
Krypton or translate his dad's message or anything like that at the end of this one. Did that be a cliffhanger or do you want more Krypton revelation stuff to come later and deal with more earth stuff in the end of this season? That's a good question. I think it all depends on how it's executed and delivered like that could be a really good cliffhanger like to end the season on because it's been such a strong question of like
00:48:20
Speaker
Who am I? Who is Superman? Like I've said multiple times, I feel like the title, My Adventures with Superman, it's talking about Clark just as much as the rest of us. He is just discovering who Superman is. So yeah, if they do it right and set that up for future seasons, it could be done really well. I guess the only real speculation I have in terms of this final episode, talking about this parentage and whatnot, I do feel like they're going to have to address
00:48:48
Speaker
the general and who Lois' father is and everything like that. But I also, I'm thinking we haven't really seen Martha or Jonathan Kent since the first couple of episodes, so I feel like they have to show up in some way because I don't wanna...
00:49:08
Speaker
Yeah, I guess I don't want to put too much negativity out there or too much speculation. But having Jonathan Kent still be around while Superman is actively being Superman is definitely a departure from the usual story. So I kind of feel like something has to happen in that realm. And I don't know if it'll be the way they end this season, but I do feel like they need to build up that relationship with Jonathan just a little bit more if that is something that they're going to play with down the line. Fair. Yeah.
00:49:38
Speaker
I would like to see, uh, both of them meet the girlfriend though. Oh, that's actually, now that you say that, that is the episode I want. I want my adventures with Superman style. That'd be great. Yeah. All right. Did you have anything else you want to say about these ones? I'm sure once we stop recording, everything else will come in.
00:50:08
Speaker
Okay, okay, I guess your Gotham Gazette and I am sure kind of curious like just just tease a little bit like what's going on in Gotham like I don't even need to see anything, you know to drop Bruce Wayne, but it's like just give me a little taste of what's going on in Gotham. Yeah, what's it like? Take me a picture.
00:50:24
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, because Vicky Vale is often portrayed as one of Bruce Wayne's on again, off again love interests. So it'll be interesting to see if this is a world that has a Batman out there that's been operating. And if so, how long has he been operating or what have you? And like you said, I don't need it all to be spelled out for me. But if they just want to drop a few teases and give us some inclination of what that sister city kind of looks like, that'd be pretty cool.
00:50:51
Speaker
The one other thing I kind of want to bring up is, and another reason I thought these three episodes paired so nicely is like, there was this notion of like, Clark wanting to be normal and like, Mixie Spitalik tells him like, oh, like he says he wants to just have a normal date with her and she's like, oh, he's like, you're never going to be normal.
Character Struggles and Creator Praise
00:51:12
Speaker
Like the one thing that like all the Clark and super, Clark's and Superman have in common is that they're not normal. They're weird.
00:51:18
Speaker
they're alienated, they're alone, and just the downtrodden look that gives him. And then later on, when he's becoming overwhelmed and has the incident where he causes the car accident with a truck, Lois says something like, you could just try to be normal for a while. And the way that hits her, it's like, ooh, I felt that. And she feels so terrible later on when he's missing. The last thing I said to him was awful.
00:51:43
Speaker
all the kids helping out. They didn't mention that they were so adorable. The way that she had to talk Lois into letting them help. It was so wholesome, dude. Yeah, it was great. I dig it. The way that they were trying to sabotage Vicky and take her to all the plate. She introduced her to the kids and just the old lady and all this much you didn't want to see.
00:52:08
Speaker
Right, right, right, right. Yeah, because then after she has her interview with Alex, she's like, they're like, you can't publish that. He's a biased source. And she's like, oh, and all the people you took me to see weren't. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a savage line. In regards to what we were saying about
00:52:26
Speaker
Gotham is one of those things like because these creators are doing such a fantastic job with this show. Like I would love to see them get to work on the other superheroes as well. Because imagine Alfred's dialogue with writers, and then just how Jordan and Barry Allen like on their own.
00:52:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a great point. Yeah, the day in the life of like those characters like it if that's the next extended universe that we get Yeah, like it should be this that they don't it's you know, just as like war style They don't know they've heard like rumors about each other and they probably know that the other person exists But they're just doing the things in their own city. I just make the world smaller again, like everything can just happen and
00:53:13
Speaker
in continental the united states we don't need to have like world ending stuff sure you don't even have any kind of team up but like if if they handed the studio a blank check and just said have fun with these characters i would be so for it
00:53:28
Speaker
Yeah, I love all the characters you brought up and I found my mind immediately going to green arrow and like the tone of this show like don't get me wrong. I love arrow and I love the darker take on Oliver Queen and everything like that. But if this show could like really get that fun loving and quippy like Oliver Queen, like I think they would nail it. And I came to the realization that I think part of the reason that I gravitated towards that is because Lois had the line to and she like found out it was Vicki Vale. She was going to be shadowing. She's like, oh, she's the one that, you know,
00:53:55
Speaker
busted the case about like the queen industries or queen consolidated, like whatever it was, the embezzlement or whatever was happening there. So it's like, we know that queen industries is a thing too. They're, you know, setting up the building blocks. Yeah. Damn, man. I'm sad that like you only have one episode left because they've done such an incredible job and have just exceeded like all expectations for what I had for it.
00:54:24
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm simultaneously excited, but it will be a bit of a sad day when we can no longer talk about My Adventures with Superman. But our plan is to cover the finale episode and kind of do a season review as a whole. So on that note, I would encourage everybody, if you've been watching along with us, we got some My Adventures with Superman feedback early on initially with those first like two or three episodes, but definitely encourage our listeners. If you've been, you know, watching alongside us and enjoying these conversations, we'd love
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00:55:15
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00:55:37
Speaker
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00:55:54
Speaker
reading the books, watching the movies and kind of doing a comparison on like what they want to see from the new Harry Potter Mac series that's going to be coming out. So as a person who didn't read the books growing up, they're having to talk about a person who like only watched the movies and is now reading the books for the first time. So I'm going to be just flipping things around on that. Okay. Very cool.
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