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Week 4 Dallas Cowboys vs Green Bay Packers: Well, at least Mike didn't overreact
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In this Episode, we dissect the Tie between the Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys. We break down what went wrong, the little bit that went right and Mike may or may not have a massive rant
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Transcript
Intro
The Hopes and Frustrations of Packers Fans
00:00:41
Speaker
Here we are for my first crack at the live show that's not the day two draft show on Ohana Packers Edition. And that introductory pause is me trying to not say all of the very insensitive, mean, expletive deletes that really want to say because My God, Iowa Joe.
00:01:02
Speaker
Matt LaFleur just put on a fucking clinic of how to lose a football game in 42 ways. Well,
00:01:09
Speaker
actually, i i I'll kind of disagree with you on that one. He didn't show it how to lose a game. He showed how to tie a game because that's what he played for for the whole game was we just want to go for the tie.
00:01:21
Speaker
That's it.
Strategic Failures and Missed Opportunities
00:01:22
Speaker
Like, Okay, that's Iowa Joe. I'm Mike. We're here covering the Packers as they...
00:01:33
Speaker
I don't even know what label to put on it. Stumble ass backwards into a tie, which I know some people will say like, well, it's not a loss. It's a fucking loss when you play in this division.
00:01:45
Speaker
Detroit has their ego and swagger back. They're walking with their dick in their hands. And your coach is worried about getting some backsplash on himself at the at urinal. Like,
00:01:57
Speaker
We'll get into it further when we get to our different segments, but I want to just put the disclaimer out, and we'll put it out in multiple times in this episode, that you're looking at two of the most patient people when it comes to defending LeFleur, liking the culture he's established and all that. But today's game, this was a head-to-toe example of your team is what you preach and what you establish as your identity.
00:02:25
Speaker
And LeFleur's identity has been be good enough. And it's bit him in the ass every playoffs because he's tried to be just good enough and his team hasn't been good enough.
00:02:38
Speaker
and you fuck around and find out two weeks in a row, all honesty, they've done it every week of this season. And I have defended it every week leading up to this one that, okay, you're playing with a tilted ah hand, you have ah ah injuries on your O-line, blah, blah, blah.
00:02:55
Speaker
You're in control of all of these games and you refuse to do what is necessary to put bad teams in the ground. And it has progressively blown up in his face worse every week to the point where he is dog shit lucky that Dallas is so bad on defense that he could salvage the tie.
00:03:18
Speaker
Like Detroit was so ass backwards in week one, they couldn't recover. Washington sort of started to figure it out into the fourth quarter. And then you put the hammer down and score the touchdown. And I gave him credit for doing that.
00:03:31
Speaker
And then Cleveland, you just pulled the pin out of the grenade, let the paddle go and held it in your hand going, I wonder what's going to happen. And then you come back this week and you do the same damn thing.
00:03:45
Speaker
You continue to employ a special teams coordinator who does nothing but cash checks. You know, everyone when they're hired for a new job gets the, where do you see yourself in five years? Or do you view this as more than cashing a paycheck?
00:03:58
Speaker
Goddamn, Rich Basaccio doesn't view this job as anything more than cashing a very expensive paycheck.
00:04:04
Speaker
I'm loving this because usually I'm the one blowing up on shit and Mike's the calm, cool head. And this is amazing. And keep going.
Player Performance Amidst Team Struggles
00:04:16
Speaker
Like, this thing is going to be heavy in the, and forget stale, like, I don't even know what I would put in stale tonight.
00:04:23
Speaker
It's even, it's, there's going to be a very short, very, very, very due Gold Star section tonight, because there are few players who deserve to have their efforts recognized for what they did in tonight's game.
00:04:37
Speaker
And then it's all going to be a real session. And LeFleur, buddy, you're going to fucking wear it this week because your team is a goddamn embarrassment right now.
00:04:48
Speaker
And everyone's going to like, oh, you're so spoiled. You're so this, that. The team is 2-1-1. This team should be 4-0. And it's not because your coach is a goddamn coward. Joe, where are you at coming into this episode?
00:05:02
Speaker
Well, think we just go ahead and jump into things because I was thoroughly enjoying that because, like I said, if nobody's heard the show before, nobody's seen it or anything like that, I'm usually the one ranting and raving on shit.
00:05:16
Speaker
Mike's the one with the calmer head trying to explain things. But this has been amazing watching Mike blow up on things. So I think we just go ahead and jump into our things. Mmm, cheese.
00:05:29
Speaker
So I am going to give one to obviously Josh Jacobs, just because he's been playing the best he can play with what he's been given. And whether it's, you know, fighting through the offensive lines, injuries, shit, play calling, whatever it is, you know, he's been, he's been, and he's injured, you know, he's been dealing with a ankle injury. So,
00:05:56
Speaker
I got to give to him because he has been the bright spots. So, yeah, he's definitely a fresh this week.
00:06:04
Speaker
Yeah. And then the other guy, yeah. I mean – I do think, you know, I've been critical on Jacobs. I've said he's missed some cuts. He's, you know, had not the greatest vision going into games this season, but mean, I don't blame him not trusting that lanes will be there when every time you go to get the handoff, there's someone in your face immediately. And, you know, the definition of making something out of nothing and,
00:06:34
Speaker
Yeah. Pretty much because he went 22 for 86 yards with 3.9 average with two touchdowns. So he was pretty much making the best out of nothing.
00:06:47
Speaker
Yep. And on other side of it, the absolute shame of this botched game is that Jordan Love played his heart out there tonight with a head coach who was afraid to win the game, ah ah defense that couldn't stop anything, ah ah special teams coordinator a a asleep at the wheel, and O-line that If it's not blocking people, it's getting called for penalties.
00:07:14
Speaker
And, you know, there was a lot of people putting out the, like, here comes the back-breaking Jordan Love interception. Yes, the fumble before half isn't great, but he shouldn't have been put in that position.
00:07:26
Speaker
That's a F-minus coaching moment there. But otherwise, outside of that fumble, Jordan played a near-flawless game. To the point where he almost bailed LeFleur out at the very end. And
Critical Game Decisions and Offensive Approach
00:07:41
Speaker
don't know. going to have to figure out a way to get throws to Golden in the end zone. Because that's another one where it's like... If it's another inch or another foot one way or another... Maybe it's caught around Sanborn kind of thing.
00:07:53
Speaker
But Jordan was awesome tonight. The only thing I got to take away from Jordan... I mean, he did a better job of throwing away the ball when he needed to and stuff like that.
00:08:05
Speaker
But there at the end with the whole hurry up offense type deal for the when the when the clock was ticking, you know, I understand that he he wanted to have that one last shot at it, but there was no urgency there.
00:08:21
Speaker
And they almost blew it just with the time on the clock. So. and you can't all blame him, but he's the leader of the offense. He's got to be able to get these guys moving. And there was just no urgency there for them. So that would be the only thing that I got to say drawback wise with him is being the leader of the offense. He needs to get those guys in a hurry a little bit more.
00:08:43
Speaker
Yeah. And that is one where put that on that's the only drawback yeah that was like i think lafleur has love so reigned in that that love isn't just gonna go up there and wing it and just say like i'm throwing three straight into the end zone and my god this is a just a like i i'm so pissed because we should be celebrating jordan and romeo who is gonna be my other like obvious gold star with just
00:09:14
Speaker
The two of them making play after play after play with the game on the line. And... It's just a damn shame. Like, it's a damn shame that...
00:09:25
Speaker
We're going to be here just pissed off at the outcome, pissed off at certain people who are tied to this organization when we really should celebrating an awesome night for Jordan. And like you said, there's some things on the margin you'd like to see him clean up.
00:09:39
Speaker
The strip sack is not good. Like I said, as much as I don't think that's fully on him, you It is the whole, look like LaFleur said on Monday, okay, it's a bad call, but you can't make it worse by what you do on the field kind of thing.
00:09:52
Speaker
Way to throw your quarterback under the fucking bus, LaFleur.
00:09:56
Speaker
Like, otherwise, there was no point where he put the ball in the air and I was concerned tonight. He just looked very much in control and he should have had a, like...
00:10:09
Speaker
They did not give us a good enough reason to take his fourth touchdown off the board. The one to craft. Like, that should have been his. And then, like I said, for Doug. Yeah, that one I was a little bit confused by because the ball, he hit the pylon with...
00:10:27
Speaker
ball in hand and normally that's a touchdown no matter what so i don't know and it's one of those where if you're gonna turn that over you've got to give a better explanation then like you've got to go and give us the dissertation that when his elbow touches, there is a view where the ball is short of the, like it's not touching the pile. You've got to give us that because I absolutely hate the NFL when they just do the review and then they're like, oh, play is overturned.
00:11:00
Speaker
And it's like, what was indisputable? And I know that we're messing up the the segments here, but like I said, this game is a,
00:11:10
Speaker
There's gonna, like I said, there's gonna be a lot of people who try to do the, well, it's not a loss, it's a fucking loss.
Impact of Game Results on Standings and Rivalries
00:11:15
Speaker
Going down any sort of game, half game in this division, It's going to cost you come the end of the season.
00:11:22
Speaker
And this one is an NFC not win. Like you can, people are going try you didn't lose an NFC game yet. It's not a win. And that's going to count against you at the end when you're putting the tally together.
00:11:34
Speaker
Philly is still undefeated. Detroit is ahead of you by half a game now in the standings.
00:11:40
Speaker
And he also gave the Bears ammunition because now they're going to come out and say, ha, ha, ha, we trounced the Cowboys and whatever. But let's finish out our goods.
00:11:51
Speaker
You mentioned Romeo. I'm going to throw the rest of the receivers in there, too, because they were all playing well. They were all helping Jordan out. Without Golden making that catch on the fourth down, there'd been no chance at a tie anyway.
00:12:07
Speaker
Savion looked good in his limited catches. Malik Heath is another one that without his catch and exit to to out of bounds, it wouldn't have stopped the clock. but There There still would have been issues there. Tucker...
00:12:23
Speaker
You got to give Tucker a little bit of credit with his stuff. Musgraves is getting comical to the point. I know me and you were kind of joking on socials about it, but I don't care what anybody says.
00:12:39
Speaker
If the ball hits Musgraves in the hand, he's on the ground no matter what. Whether the ball's leading him to the ground or what, he always ends up on the ground.
00:12:50
Speaker
I don't know if he needs to hit leg days more often or what, but something's got to happen. He needs to do some Pilates.
00:12:58
Speaker
But he caught it. He did. And Wicks was – look, you know – Can't really blame him for anything either. He had his catches. The only negative you can say is he probably still could have and maybe honestly should have caught the the one they didn't call DPI on at the end of overtime.
00:13:18
Speaker
had an opportunity there. And I would have liked... I know it's asking a lot. That would have been an A-plus play because he's getting pulled down... catching the ball from his ass and stuff but it would have been one of those like to cement the progress he's made this season like that kind of like big moment for him but then you know he comes back later on the drive catches that that in cut slant over the middle breaks it for a first down gets us down to the dallas 25 and he is just stacking really good plays together this season and
00:13:53
Speaker
Like I said, this is just what makes me so much more angry for our moldy segment because... There's so many things in this game. There's so much that went wrong, but there's so many guys who punched above their weight to try and make it not matter.
00:14:09
Speaker
And I will give Parsons one for stopping Dak short on that play down by the goal line. I know that it was kind of a quiet game for him. Didn't have the impact that I'm sure he wanted tonight.
00:14:22
Speaker
that'll be something that we're going to talk about a little bit in the moldy too. Yeah. Yeah. And it was nice to see him make a play when it it it when like someone had to make one. And obviously, a turnover would have been special and all that kind of stuff. But it was cool to see him get something on the board there. So unless anything has escaped my mind. Yeah, there's one more that neither one of us mentioned, and that's Emmanuel Wilson.
00:14:51
Speaker
Oh, yes. He had a hell of a game. My God, said it on socials that when he's got the ball in his hand, he's got such command on things.
00:15:02
Speaker
You know, he he's got great vision. He's a thumper with speed. And... You know, good thing that he was playing the way he did because with Jacobs having to go out because of, you know, his injuries, he had – I think Wes Hodquitt said that he ended up going out with a cut on his knee or something like that that they were fixing up.
00:15:24
Speaker
So, you know, without Wilson, who knows what that run game would have been looking like until Jacobs got back in there. So, yeah, I got to give him his props. No, absolutely. He's try this week.
00:15:36
Speaker
I'm still getting thrown off because he's wearing a new number this season. It's still throwing me. When I first saw it, I was like, when did Abby Condit come back? Yeah. Or baby Condit. I was like, who the hell is 23? So, all right. Is there any others that you can think of off the top of your head?
00:15:57
Speaker
Maybe Quay. I think you can throw Quay in there. are He looked decent.
00:16:03
Speaker
Yeah, I'll throw Koi in there.
00:16:06
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's it, honestly. oh oh Well, let's jump to this one. Watch this stale shit. is there anything that you can think of? Maybe edge edge really wasn't. I'll put edge in the stale. I don't, I don't want to burn him. Like at least I'll put him in stale because he's at least making his mistakes at 100 miles per hour.
00:16:30
Speaker
Like he was always going to be a guy where he's going to have some erratic games because he plays with his hair on fire and all, you know, all those adages, but yeah, This is one where he could have had like a handful of at least of impactful plays.
00:16:43
Speaker
overtime drive, he knifes into the backfield and he just whiffs on Javonte Williams. And that was like an encapsulation of his whole game was just like,
Defensive and Special Teams Critique
00:16:55
Speaker
It's unfortunate, but also I don't want to bury him because he is in his, what, 20th game if you count the playoff game? Not even not because he didn't play the first third of last season. He's in the fourth game of his second season. There was always going to be a learning curve, growing pains with him.
00:17:12
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's not enough to put him moldy because, ah ah yeah, like you said, he's still young enough and still growing and in his own. But there were some mental mistakes that needed to be cleaned up a bit.
00:17:26
Speaker
And he just wasn't as sharp as he has been the last couple of weeks. Yeah. And... It's one of those where he's still hitting enough home runs to make up for some strikeouts. And it's just cluster luck that they all came in one game. He had the fucking golden sombrero tonight.
00:17:46
Speaker
So, you know, when you have high leverage boomer bus players, like guys who kind of bring that style of play, you kind of have some nights like that. and need other people to make it up. And it's an absolute bummer because it was working so good the first few drives. And then...
00:18:04
Speaker
It just fell off a cliff for that side of the ball when this game went 13-2. Other than that, I guess another one was... I'll put Morgan in the stale because I do think he fought his way back after some you bad penalties early.
00:18:22
Speaker
thought Collinsworth tried to highlight him in a couple points, and I do think he was... doing some decent things on the interior there i still don't like him playing inside i think he gets manhandled a little bit but i i thought that he recollected himself as the game went along and did okay in there so you know nothing to celebrate but you know i'll put it in the still because it wasn't terrible kind of thing i know that's not really how we used to use the stale but i i can't put it in fresh like it wasn't good enough right here
00:18:54
Speaker
And I've got a couple other ones that are a little bit interesting wise that, so my first one is going to be the pass rush while they're not fully bad enough to go into our moldy segment. They aren't,
00:19:11
Speaker
They aren't good enough. They haven't lived up to the hype of the last few weeks, but they were still getting pressure. They were still getting what they needed to. They just weren't having – they weren't finishing.
00:19:24
Speaker
I mean, there were times that I was seeing Van Ness like pancake the guy in front of and this will be a little bit going into the mold he is. Then he gets held, and he can't do it. He can't finish it.
00:19:37
Speaker
Or Parsons, same way. He knocks the guys out of his way, but he gets held and he can't finish the play. Rashawn was just off this whole night.
00:19:49
Speaker
It seemed like he reverted back to last year, Rashawn, where the bull rush was working, but he didn't want to use the bull rush. He just wanted to keep using his speed moves, and it just wasn't helping at all.
00:20:04
Speaker
And, I mean, so, yeah, the pass rush itself is, I would say, would go into the stale just because there was – They were doing what they needed to, but there was no finish to it, if that makes sense.
00:20:19
Speaker
Yeah, agree. Like you said, you can't put him in the positive because, you know, you got some pressures. you only sack was Micah's one in overtime, which was a big one.
00:20:31
Speaker
And it was lucky that they called it a sack. Yeah. What you saw tonight is how a good game plan can negate their pass rush, unless Halfley is going to be willing to be a little. folks. This is where we have a hard time because I lose Mike once in a while.
00:20:50
Speaker
So hang out. He'll be back in a minute. They're quite fast enough due to the plays.
00:20:56
Speaker
Oh. Okay. Now you're back. Start over. No, I agree with you that it belongs in stale. Like, they were getting some pressure, but what you saw tonight is, like, how a good game plan can negate what Green Bay wants to do on defense.
00:21:11
Speaker
And part of what's feeding into that is a lot of what we're going to go into in the moldy segment. But... in You know, there's some things that Halfley can clean up.
00:21:23
Speaker
But also, I know that he basically got to a point where he's like, I just need to stop the bleeding tonight. Like, and he couldn't. And sometimes, you know, and I think what has to be recognized is Dak is having an amazing season. And we did call that out on our um preview show. Like I said, he's got a couple of interceptions on his ledger where one of them should have never happened because the NFL, in all its wisdom, decided to not review the turnover.
00:21:47
Speaker
And then the second one went off Pickens' hands. And
00:21:53
Speaker
Dak just made some stupid, ridiculous plays. And the defense fed into a handful of them. But like you said, you want to see a little more consistent impact.
00:22:05
Speaker
But also, it was frustrating. But the pass rush not having its impact was as much of a... those guys get paid to, to play to tonight kind of thing.
00:22:18
Speaker
Whereas lot of other parts of this defense was just really, really rough. And, it, it, it was just, yeah.
00:22:29
Speaker
Well, I think that's all I've got for stale. How about you? That's about all I got to, uh, just throwing this out here. The, our, our friend, Brian Rego,
00:22:42
Speaker
saying and am on my way to Bisaccia's house to put a for sale sign in his yard. I don't think that's going to help. They always say that, oh was it a lost dog knows its way home?
00:22:55
Speaker
And you can put the house for sale, but he's still going to find his way back in no matter what. But stale-wise, yeah, I think that's about all I got. I mean, something will probably pop up eventually, but I think that's all I got. So we'll just move on. It's a moldy cheese. ah ah It's a moldy cheese. ah ah If
00:23:19
Speaker
We'll start out with the Basaccio of all of this because that's where the game started to go off the rails. So the Packers go up 13-0. They're in complete control of the game.
00:23:30
Speaker
And literally all you're doing, all LaFleur, and we'll get into this later, all LaFleur wants at that point is to not give Dallas any momentum. And what does Misace's fucking part of the ball do or part of the team do?
00:23:43
Speaker
Is goes out and gives Dallas any reason to believe by letting a PAT get blocked and returned for a two-point conversion. And mind you... That is the difference between McManus kicking to win the game at the end of regulation versus trying to send it to overtime.
00:24:03
Speaker
Yes, Musgrave screwed up. Yes, Brant Banks is out there not really sure what he's supposed to do, all that kind of crap.
00:24:12
Speaker
But you had all week to prepare for this, and you fucking blew it, Versace. Like, you had literally all week to work on this crap, and your unit... it took two instances for your unit to go out there and piss down its leg.
00:24:28
Speaker
And have so many things to go into that. But like, the first one is, okay, we know Musgrave isn't the best blocker. You have two tight ends who are active on game days whose literal first meaning for being on this roster is to be blocking specialists so Tucker Craft can go and catch the fucking ball downfield.
00:24:51
Speaker
I have zero understanding why Ben Sims or John Fitzpatrick are not the wing players on the PAT team. Like, I know some people might be like, oh, but what... No, like, why, why are you putting a guy who's not a good blocker on offense on special teams?
00:25:11
Speaker
So that's one. Number two.
00:25:15
Speaker
You go and...
00:25:19
Speaker
The universe, the way it sets up the Packers coaches to just give future premonitions of how the Packers special teams are going to fuck up when the lights are on them.
00:25:33
Speaker
The way that Bisaccia so boldly in his presser goes, he's figuring it out, but you we're confident in where it's going of Matthew Golding returning puns. Matthew Golding tries a spin cycle in the middle of the fucking maelstrom and almost gets decapitated on the return.
00:25:48
Speaker
I was ready to throw hands. Like, no, rookie, you cannot do spin. This ain't high school. That shit ain't going to work out here.
00:25:58
Speaker
But also, Golden hasn't fielded punts clean all season. Like, he's got two, I think, where he's caught the ball on the fly clean. Ironically, the spin move was one of them.
00:26:12
Speaker
you... No, there's no Christian Watson. Jaden Reed has gone on IR. And you continue to put a guy who you're trying to expand his role on offense out there in a position he's clearly not comfortable with.
00:26:27
Speaker
And this is going to get into a lot of the LaFleur of it all. And he's, Bisacchi is saying a lot of the same bullshit he did with Amari Rogers in 2021 or in 2022 where it's like, well, you know, they're figuring stuff out. We've got to figure it out, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:44
Speaker
My God in heaven. Like, what the hell are we doing there? And then, like a ticking clock, Green Bay takes the lead to go back up for... And what happens? Bisaccia's kick coverage team goes and gives up a freaking 40-something yard return.
00:27:02
Speaker
Like... It's just... Like I said... His unit is so bad, I don't think we even get the twice right... the two times right a day thing out of him.
00:27:14
Speaker
And... Like I said, to open it, I have no idea what he's doing other than cashing checks. Like...
00:27:23
Speaker
And there's even more than what you were talking about. I mean, they, they, his unit cost yardage with two good returns by the Cowboys. Uh, Turpin took one to what, to the 50 yard line on a return. And luckily they were able to wrangle them at that point.
00:27:39
Speaker
and then another one, the other one was overtime. And then what the hell was going he not know how to teach his guys how to not take it in the end zone when these little pooch kicks are happening?
00:27:55
Speaker
I mean, everybody knows what the rule is that if it hits in the, what they call it, the kick zone, and then you down it in the end zone, it only comes out to the 20. You don't get the 35-yard line.
00:28:09
Speaker
So is he not teaching his guys this? Is he not... Does he not even know how that fucking works? Because they were doing it the whole rest of the game.
00:28:19
Speaker
Because they knew the Packers were going to pull that shit. So, I mean, agree. I've been kind of a... a Bisacci apologist there for a bit because, you know, and the people that he was having on special teams. Was it this?
00:28:37
Speaker
But now I'm kind of to the point where like you are with LaFleur that there's no defending it. This is the same shit week in, week out.
00:28:48
Speaker
There's no, there's
00:28:51
Speaker
no rhythm to it. There's no rhyme or reason to it. He continues our units out there.
00:29:03
Speaker
he's the the assistant head coach, he sure isn't doing... He's about the same as... He's as much an assistant head coach as Dwight Schrute was assistant to the regional manager of Dunder Mifflin.
00:29:16
Speaker
It seemed like name only because even then, why isn't he pushing LeFleur to do certain things? Because this goes back to what I keep saying.
00:29:27
Speaker
It's as if LeFleur thinks you can only score so many points in a season. and So that's what he's going to play for to limit how many points he's going score in a game. And, you know, that's the thought process, what good is it having an assistant head coach if he's not going to help you be a head coach?
00:29:45
Speaker
That's the whole point of an assistant manager or assistant, whatever you want to call it, is to render help to the manager when the manager needs it or the coach needs it or whatever you want to call it.
Controversial Calls and Officiating Impact
00:29:59
Speaker
So if he's not even doing that job, then there's no need to keep him around anymore. Yep.
00:30:07
Speaker
suppose it's my turn to throw a moldy one up there. Yeah, go for it. So I guess the obvious one is kind of the same thing that we said during the Browns week and the same thing that we said during the Vikings – or not Vikings, the Lions week that – and this was the same crew as the Lions week too, wasn't it?
00:30:30
Speaker
Possibly. –
00:30:34
Speaker
this officiating team sucked. And the the efficientating officiating has sucked. And get...
00:30:44
Speaker
think it was Kurt Benkert said it on Twitter. as much as I don't like ah ah agreeing with him because of some of the shit that he's put out there, if you're not going to call...
00:31:00
Speaker
constant false starts or guys in the neutral zone or whatever on the Eagles when it comes to the tush push, how are you going to call a a a false start on the center when he's just positioning the ball to hike it?
00:31:16
Speaker
And then, like I said earlier, with the stale when it came to the pass rush, the reason a lot of times that they weren't able to finish the play, they were being held.
00:31:27
Speaker
I watched Lucas get held numerous times, ah ah and one of them was egregious because one of the things they tell you is an automatic hold call is when they hook their arm around the neck, and he was being hooked around the neck.
00:31:41
Speaker
That's an obvious hold call. Or the Matthew Golden punt return. That was a helmet-to-helmet hit. That was about as vicious a hit as Devontae one years ago when Danny Trevathan tried to take his head off.
00:31:59
Speaker
Now, luckily, nothing seemed to happen with Golden. Golden be continued to be able to play in the game. So, you know, knock on wood, he didn't suffer any kind of effects or anything. And and there would be no issues. And luckily, this next week will be the bye week.
00:32:15
Speaker
But when they showed the replay, they only showed it one time. And Tirico and Collinsworth only made one comment on it about him doing the spin move, or that'll teach him never to do spin move on that way. You're not a college anymore, Rook, or whatever the hell they said.
00:32:34
Speaker
Because when they did the replay, you saw the helmet-to-helmet.
00:32:39
Speaker
And there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. That should have been an emphasis on Or the DPI call against Wix or for Wix on Wix that should have been called.
00:32:52
Speaker
Or there was another one that was it on Romeo? There was a ah possible DPI and nobody called it. And even Collingsworth just kind of said, well, that might have been DPI. And then they never talked about it again.
00:33:09
Speaker
And like, even the commentators are knowing when it's a shit no call.
00:33:15
Speaker
Because they immediately shut up about it. So yeah, the officiating this week. And again, they were calling things on both sides because I think Dallas was more penalized than the Packers this week. But it's just that kind of thing that has been week in and week out. Then they wonder why people are calling for automated calls or robot like in Major League Baseball, the robot umpires and shit like that.
00:33:44
Speaker
Because if if i i understand there's a human element to it, but if you can't make the call, what good are you? And on top of that, why does it take you two minutes to have ah a conference just to make a simple call?
00:34:00
Speaker
Yep. Like I said, there's so many things wrong with this game. My whole thing with it is like,
00:34:09
Speaker
It's not even what they call, but it's just the absolute inconsistency of the calls. My whole being pissed off about the Elton moving the ball thing is...
00:34:20
Speaker
Terry McCauley comes on and is like, they were told that they were going to call it if he puts the ball across the goal line. And then the producer queues up a replay of Elton Jenkins.
00:34:31
Speaker
Yes, he moves the ball, but there are three inches at least between the ball and the goal line. And McCauley veers to the left sharply and goes, well, he still moved it, so it's a penalty. And it's like, Terry.
00:34:44
Speaker
You fucking senile old git. Like, you are so adamant that what he's getting called for is moving the ball across the goal line. then you go into backing up your boys mode because, I...
00:34:59
Speaker
I'm wrong. No, I'm not going to say that. It's a bad call. Well, that's what I When they would see these things on replay, then they would immediately shut up or or or reverse course or or or, and not say anything any further. And it's like, if these guys can see it, why can't the guys on the field see it?
00:35:16
Speaker
And then, like, even to have the ones where, like, Luke Schoonmaker false starts and it takes JJ Inigbar standing up like this, like, and the flag comes out almost before Dallas snaps the ball. And it's like, you obviously weren't going to call. What absolutely astounds me is that they moved the umpire in the backfield to help the head referee with pocket calls.
00:35:46
Speaker
And neither of those guys are able to call the game back there consistently. You had the one where Jordan and clearly gets face masked. Ronald Torboi is standing four feet away from Jordan Love and apparently doesn't have the angle to see that he got face masked on that play. Well, Well, even speaking about Schoonmaker,
00:36:06
Speaker
how is what he did on on one of the returns not unnecessary roughness because he tackled the guy out of bounds i understand you have that whole moment or movement or momentum i mean sorry i'm mixing up my words to momentum but you could see where after they crossed the white line he continued to yank down and I can't think of who the guy was.
00:36:33
Speaker
Was it Golden? Or was it Romeo at that point? He hit the guy, they went out of bounds, and then he continued to drag him down.
00:36:43
Speaker
Yeah. you had two refs standing right there.
00:36:48
Speaker
It's just a problem. And that's the thing is like, you kind of edged on it earlier where the thing that all of these sports, these sports leagues don't want to admit is that they want all these games in high definition so that everyone, you know, in football, it's count the blades of grass, but they don't want to admit that their human element isn't a problem when so much of it is... And I forget which game they were in, but they were talking about, oh, like...
00:37:20
Speaker
You know, you have these refereeing seminars and good penalty discussion is when 60% of the room is in agreement. And I'm like... So no one knows what the fuck the rule is.
00:37:32
Speaker
Like, that's not a good thing. You've written your rulebook so fucking vague that almost half the room doesn't know what the fuck they're calling. And even the ones who are like, that's it.
00:37:44
Speaker
I don't think can give you a definitive. That's it. You know, a chunk of them can give a that's it because of this rule with this this bylaw, this subset, blah, blah, blah, blah. The other half are doing the.
00:37:56
Speaker
like it looks like it fits the criteria and the problem with I'm going to stop you there for a minute because we have to fully admit that a lot of these the rules are based on judgment calls anyway what somebody may see in one game may not be the same thing they see in another game but they still have to call it by that rule because it's within that parameter so you have to give them a little bit of credit on that.
Secondary and Defensive Line Concerns
00:38:25
Speaker
But when there's giant gaps between the parameters, then that's when it becomes questionable.
00:38:33
Speaker
So it's, it's just infuriating the secondary. oh my God.
00:38:44
Speaker
Right, and I don't understand what the hell was going on out there. I hate keep using this fucking comparison, but it's like I'm watching the Iowa fucking Hawkeyes play in Green Bay Packer uniforms because it's soft zone.
00:39:02
Speaker
It's, you know... let's play 10 yards off our receiver and hope that we can make the tackle when they catch the ball.
00:39:13
Speaker
Yep. And they couldn't do that tonight. And it's a little bit of everything, bad positioning, bad angles, bad effort. The, the fricking catching overtime happens because Nixon just gives up on a play.
00:39:27
Speaker
Um, Um, um, Carrington gave up on one of them or a couple of them, same situation. And then tried to make up with hustle on the back end of it kind of thing and stuff. And this defense looked so connected and so like together for the first 11 quarters of the season.
00:39:47
Speaker
And then, you know, it kind of, it got put in bad positions at the end of the Cleveland game. So I can't even totally put that on them there. And tonight, like, You just pulled on that, you know, it was a yarn ball and you pulled on that one strand and the whole ball just fell apart tonight.
00:40:03
Speaker
And, you know, people asking, oh, what happened to the pass rush? The problem is, is that every play Dak had somewhere to go with the ball. And this is another one.
00:40:15
Speaker
We harped on it all offseason and no... Jair isn't going to have fixed this problem, but the problem on top of that is you did nothing to address that, and signing one Nate Hobbs was not nearly enough to buttress this cornerback room.
00:40:33
Speaker
And that was my whole thing is i was like... I don't know what you do because there is no corner in free agency this year that, you know, it totally hasn't worked in the way. I'll fully admit Jair has looked awful with Baltimore.
00:40:49
Speaker
So it it would have been worse if he was still on the Packers. But Like there was no corner in free agency that you were going to sign and be like, that guy is going to make so much of a difference that it's going to solve so many of our problems on defense. Like there was no guy that you were going to get this season.
00:41:08
Speaker
But at the same time, was like, okay, we signed Hobbs, who's as injury prone as, as, as Jair is. And that's it. Like, other than that, we're rolling it back with what we've got kind of thing.
00:41:21
Speaker
And, It looked like it was going to work for the first two and a half weeks of the season. But you're starting to see the cracks where if an opposing team is willing to play, as I call it, a college style of offense where everything's a quick hitter, you're throwing it ball laterally at the line of scrimmage, and then you try to crease Green Bay when they get into that mindset of...
00:41:44
Speaker
We're playing a college offense, everything is short, everything is quick, blah, blah, blah. That's when you get creased by one of those fake screens and shit like that. And
00:41:53
Speaker
this is the first time where Halfley's just had his male red. So you I'm not going to get on him tonight. I do think that he was just the whole, which button did do do I press? I think he just had his arm on the keyboard and was like, I'm going to try and press all of them and see what happens.
00:42:08
Speaker
but it's just not good enough. And when, you know, I didn't know when we would get to this point in the season, but you saw what happened when Green Bay's pass rush can't get home.
00:42:19
Speaker
It's bad.
00:42:21
Speaker
Well, and this, and to add on top of that, just to keep piling on that, is how bad the did everything look once Devontae Wyatt went out?
00:42:32
Speaker
So that was another thing that we kept harping on is they didn't address anything. You know, they got rid of Kenny to get Micah in, but then they didn't address any of the holes there.
00:42:43
Speaker
You know, I understand they liked what they had in Wooden. They like what they have in Brooks. They like Stackhouse. For some reason, and we can keep bringing this up, Brinson is not being activated for the games.
00:43:00
Speaker
So once Devante Wyatt went out, that was like the end of the interior rush and play. So, you know, they got to hope that Wyatt's not going to be gone long term.
00:43:17
Speaker
And I tweeted it. I said, this is where I've been critical on not activating Brinson and where I know that Brinson's a rookie and I'm not expecting anything great out of him, but you saw Stackhouse doesn't give you anything in not a goal line or a short down ah ah situation.
00:43:35
Speaker
Brinson, I think Dallas honestly had its best runs when he was on the field because he just doesn't understand how to engage and initiate a double team. So he, like, the one play that got Dallas down to, like, the four-yard line, he just can't read that it's an outside zone, and he just runs right into his blocker man-up, and that allows the guard to go and hook Kuei right out of the way and stuff. And it's those kind of moments where, like,
00:44:02
Speaker
If you're not commanding a double, if you're Stackhouse and your intent is to only be on the field 10 snaps a game and you can't command a double team, you're useless to this team.
00:44:13
Speaker
And gets magnified when Wyatt or anyone gets injured. I know some people are going to say like, oh, but they play so many of the other guys inside. so so They're not playing the NASCAR package when it's a traditional down and distance.
00:44:27
Speaker
And that's the thing too, is like everyone or the cheetah. Everyone's like, where was the cheetah package? I'm like, you can't play it on third and three when you're in a back and forth score. You can play it on third and three if you're up 17 points, but you can't play it when you're only up four.
00:44:41
Speaker
Like... it's just yeah it's and and to kind of go back to my point once why it went out is when you saw the deficiency of what stackhouse was yeah so you know that's where you need to bring in somebody else because I understand, again, they like Wooden, they like Brooks, but they're both undersized no matter what. you We kept saying this about Wooden since he got drafted. Is he going to be an outside edge? Is he going to be an inside guy?
00:45:14
Speaker
Because he just doesn't have the size to him to play inside, and he's too big to play outside. So he's really much of a a tweener, even on 4-3 defense. So he kind of lacks when it comes to the run game.
00:45:28
Speaker
Brooks is a little bit of the same way where he kind of lacks during the run game. So when you don't have that extra dynamic to help a stackhouse out, then yeah, you're going to get gashed all over the place.
00:45:42
Speaker
But, you know, and they were playing a lot of, And I called it favorite lineup, you know, Rashawn, defensive tackle, Lucas, Parsons. They played a lot of that, and they were getting success.
00:45:58
Speaker
But it goes back to, okay, well, then they got hold, and they couldn't finish the successes. So they were struggling there, but they were doing what they needed to. It just wasn't having any effect on anything. And, yeah, Dallas figured that out. Last week, the Browns figured that out.
00:46:17
Speaker
I don't know how the Packers organization doesn't figure that out.
Rasheed Walker's Contributions and Replacement Attempts
00:46:22
Speaker
And if they keep playing the way they are, I'm going to buy stock and Dr. Pepper because we were already in the start of the second quarter and they focused in on Brian Goodikinston. He was already on like his third can of diet, Dr. Pepper. So if that's the way things are going, I'm going to buy stock of Dr. Pepper.
00:46:42
Speaker
Yep. All right. We've delayed it long enough. The biggest moldy thing tonight was LeFleur.
00:46:49
Speaker
I've got one more. So if you want me to give that one before you want to go into LeFleur, I'm going to give it to the whole Packer front office. And the reason I say that is because they've spent the whole offseason trying to talk themselves into replacing Rasheed Walker.
00:47:08
Speaker
And Rasheed Walker has been like their lone bright spot when it comes to the offensive line. And yeah, he's had his moments, but he still has been the most capable out of their linemen so far this season.
00:47:25
Speaker
He's been relatively healthy. Yeah, he's popped up on the injury report a couple of times, but he's been relatively healthy. He's kept Jordan's blind spot relatively clean. But they've spent all their time trying to replace him.
00:47:40
Speaker
They took Morgan last year, and they keep talking about how he's going to be in the competition for left tackle. they left tackle. they They took Belton this year, who most likely slots on in the inside, but he was a left tackle.
00:47:57
Speaker
And they've done all this, and they've trashed him. How many times... Has LeFleur called him out for some stupid-ass shit or gotten on his ass for something stupid, and he still went out there and has played his ass off to protect Jordan Love?
00:48:16
Speaker
So, yes, I
Conservative Playcalling and Missed Opportunities
00:48:17
Speaker
am going to give the Packers front office a a moldy on that just because you've spent all – and I understand he's probably going to command a decent contract after the end of the season and – There's limited money going around, but when you've got one guy who has done nothing but has come in as a seventh round pick and has been one of your solid offensive linemen for the last four years, and you've done nothing but try to replace him with a first round pick that has struggled, a second round pick that's struggled.
00:48:53
Speaker
Who looks bad in that situation?
00:48:56
Speaker
Yep. So... And then... can spend the rest of time bitching about your moldy.
00:49:07
Speaker
So... don't even know where to start with this one. Okay. We'll put out the disclaimer again. you know, you and I have spent a lot of time being patient, saying that, you know, there's so much good that he's done,
00:49:23
Speaker
I saw someone respond to one of my tweets about how pissed off I am at LeFleur and equating him to Marty Schottenheimer. And it kind of sticks. Your team's going to win double-digit games, make the playoffs, all that good stuff.
00:49:37
Speaker
But it's like, what's it going to do once you get there? You might have one great playoff win and stuff, but otherwise it's been just a sopping bowl of disappointments.
00:49:47
Speaker
And... Okay. So...
00:49:52
Speaker
A big part of my thing with this is the mentality of your team is a result of the, the, the, what your head coach brings to the table.
00:50:04
Speaker
And so we have to look no further than to our division rival, the Detroit lions for, you know, as much as anyone, and including me has called, uh, uh, Campbell, a meathead ride, you know, how that stuff burns out and all.
00:50:19
Speaker
Like, that team, yeah, I do think they're frontrunners in a sense, and I think they don't like getting bullied, but that's kind of what bullies do. But they see an opportunity to step on someone's throat, and they go and do it.
00:50:35
Speaker
And this gets back to, like, your joke that LeFleur thinks there's only so many points to score in a season, and dear God, we just scored 40, so who knows what they're going to do coming out of the bye. But, like,
00:50:50
Speaker
Okay, so people are like, oh, what's the, you know, what is, like, the grading for LeFleur? That fourth and two in the fourth quarter is a failing grade moment for LeFleur.
00:51:02
Speaker
And there's so many people who tried to defend it by saying, like, you have an elite defense. You know, I know this is odd for Packers fans, but you have an elite defense. You can play to that strength, blah, blah, blah.
00:51:13
Speaker
And then, you know, Dallas goes three and out after that, and they're like, see, it worked. To me... That's letting results cloud your judgment on what is the good play there.
00:51:25
Speaker
You moving the ball at absolute will in the air, at least at that point in the game.
00:51:32
Speaker
Dallas hasn't stopped anything you've done in the passing game. You had third and 18. You just turned it into fourth and two. And you go and do that cowardly bullshit, get up to the line, try to draw them offside and take the delay of game thing. It's like,
00:51:49
Speaker
To me, we are so far from get off the bus with piss hot and all gas, no fucking brakes. That shit, it's a lie. It's an absolute lie at this point.
00:52:02
Speaker
Because LeFleur doesn't want to coach that way. And as much as I've... As recently as this fucking season... What what I saying after the Thursday night game? You're the one who put it in stale that... He let this game get back to a one-score lead.
00:52:17
Speaker
And I was the one that's like... But then they went down the field and scored right away. Well, here we are two weeks later. And LeFleur has not learned that... Hey, I could go up two scores right now.
00:52:29
Speaker
Or I can put my foot on their throat and go up three scores. And it's like, nah... I'm okay with letting the game play out kind of thing. And then he turns around after turning down fourth and two and a relatively good fourth and five earlier in the half and says, fuck it.
00:52:46
Speaker
I'm going to try score from my own 20-something or 30-something yard line before the half. And it's like Love kind of almost threw an interception a couple plays earlier.
00:52:58
Speaker
And it's like, you got the first down, Dallas isn't calling timeout, just let the game go to fucking halftime at that point. Like, there's no reason to be aggressive.
00:53:08
Speaker
And like I said, you choose that moment to be aggressive. And yes, Jordan cannot allow a sack fumble to happen, but you're calling a fucking long developing play with 20 seconds left after you just got called for yet another stupid ass penalty on your O-line.
00:53:25
Speaker
Like...
00:53:26
Speaker
And then think we knew what was going to happen after halftime is that LeFleur was just trying to bleed this game to death down the stretch. He's just like, please, if I can figure out how to score a touchdown, but take 12 minutes off the clock, he's like, I would sell my soul to do that right now.
00:53:46
Speaker
And you can't. And...
00:53:49
Speaker
And even at the end of regulation, he telegraphed so much that he was okay settling for a 50-yard field goal. When your team is in this position have to tie the game on this field goal because you can't protect on a fucking PAT, which is a 40-yard field goal.
00:54:07
Speaker
And then at the end of regulation, yes... I know that Jordan can hurry up and stuff, but that's LaFleur's fucking system is to take your time in the huddle, take your time getting to the line of scrimmage, set the play up and all that stuff.
00:54:22
Speaker
And obviously, i wish Love just said, fuck it, I'm throwing this thing. We're not running that play, Matt. We're running something that gets us in the end zone kind of thing.
00:54:33
Speaker
But this is Jordan in his third year starting, the early part of his third starting season, This isn't Rodgers in year 17 where he's just like, fuck it.
00:54:44
Speaker
Like, fuck your offense. I'm running my shit kind of thing. And when they kept running it to Wilson, who was doing great, but when they kept running it to Wilson, i was like,
00:54:56
Speaker
Oh, God, he's fucking worried about Brandon Aubrey coming on and kicking a game-winning field goal with, like, you know, if Dallas has 20 seconds to get to half field kind of thing.
00:55:06
Speaker
And i i was like, who gives a shit about that? Call your best fucking plays and put this ball in the end zone. And... You know, some people are like, Dobbs needs to block. He does.
00:55:17
Speaker
And Jordan needs to hurry up. You're calling that fucking dumbass McCarthy bubble screen for the 17th time tonight with a running clock. Throw something into the fucking end zone.
00:55:29
Speaker
But no, your coach is so concerned about the next drive instead of, if I score a touchdown here, my team wins the game. Like...
00:55:41
Speaker
There are so many moments where LeFleur just explicitly shows that he is afraid of the moment. And I know some people are going to spin that into he's afraid of Jordan Love fucking.
00:55:55
Speaker
Jordan Love saved his fucking ass multiple times in regulation. Yes, the fumble was bad, but he bailed his sorry ass coach out of that mistake too. And LeFleur holds at least 50% in that decision-making process for deciding to go for it in that scenario.
00:56:11
Speaker
And I know tomorrow he's going to come out with his bullshit. Well, you can't make a situation where where Fuck that shit. You're the fucking coach with the goddamn handcuffs on your quarterback. It's dead-ass obvious to anyone who understands this game to an elementary level with the way that you call it, the way that you sequence your plays.
00:56:28
Speaker
When everything is working when you throw the ball past five yards, and even with your hodgepodge O-line, Jordan is moving around the pocket enough to figure out how to get the ball off.
00:56:41
Speaker
And you just fucking wasted it to be a coward instead. Like... The way this team operates, it's so frustrating because they have the talent to be absolute ass kickers on offense.
00:56:59
Speaker
And LaFleur's mentality is, nah, why would I want eight drives a game when I can have six really efficient drives? Why do I want 12 drives on offense when I can have nine really efficient ones?
00:57:12
Speaker
And that's just a stupid fucking way to call an offense. Like, And I need you all to think back to Dallas playoff game is literally the only one where he put the hammer down.
00:57:27
Speaker
Almost every other playoff win, his team has let the opponent back. The Seattle game, it took Rodgers to Devontae on third down. And then the Jimmy Graham play where like the line was off. So everyone thought the Packers, the the Seahawks got shit that got cheated at the end of that game.
00:57:42
Speaker
The Rams game in 2020, they dicked around and almost found out in that game. And it took the fucking bomb to Lazard late in the game to push that back to a two score lead. And then the 2021, you kind of just were like, it's fine being a 10-0 game, but just turtle because our defense is playing good enough and shit.
00:58:02
Speaker
And then I mean, last year was shot and stuff, but like, it's the same shit over and over in these kind of games where I know that it's the first half and, you know, there's a lot of ball game left and stuff, but you are so in control of this game. Dallas has nothing.
00:58:19
Speaker
When you go up 13 to nothing, they look like they wanted to go and just quit and go home at that point. And then because of your staff mismanagement, your special teams give up a three-point swing.
00:58:32
Speaker
And from there, you just make almost every wrong move in every game-winning scenario.
Strategic Caution vs. Aggressive Play-calling
00:58:39
Speaker
People ask, I'm not saying you fire LeFleur tomorrow or anything like that. I do think you make him think about it on the plane ride home and stuff. At this point, I think he's a lost cause in that regard. He's going to be who he is. Like, he's going to be this guy that's like a two-scored lead is insurmountable and I can bleed any time off the clock and you all that kind stuff. I think that's just what we're stuck with. But know people ask, what's he supposed to do this season?
00:59:05
Speaker
Buddy, he has turned the Ferrari on and he has driven it into the driveway wall and the driveway door twice this season because he's like, oh, I don't know if I should put it into second gear.
00:59:18
Speaker
Dude, the whole point with you having this pass, that's the thing is like the way this defense works is you as the offensive guru on this team need to score as many fucking points as your offense can so your pass rush can rush the opposing passer but that doesn't work when you keep allowing yourself to get into one score makes this a back and forth game scenarios which he has done in every single game this season is like i said he let the detroit game linger way longer than it should have
00:59:49
Speaker
He let the Washington linger down to a 17-10 game before he's like, he got serious and put together a the game away drive. And then Cleveland, like I said, pulled the hand grenade pin out, let the paddle flip off and was like, I wonder what will happen with this thing in the palm of his hand.
01:00:05
Speaker
And then like I said, doesn't fucking learn. He went and did it again tonight. And people are like, you know, what's the real estate?
01:00:15
Speaker
To me, if he doesn't get to the Super Bowl this season, unless Jordan, Parsons, Gary all get injured, like the way that the rest of the league has looked so incomplete And that's the, like, you don't even use your team, you don't deploy your team the way that it should be utilized to win games.
01:00:42
Speaker
Like, you should be trying to score on every drive early in a game so that your pass rush doesn't have to give a shit if they run the ball. And everyone's like, oh, wait you can't run the fucking college style offense. You can't run the, lean on the run game to negate green base pass rush if...
01:00:59
Speaker
you are down 17 or more points. But LaFleur is like, nah, 10 is good enough.
01:01:07
Speaker
That's what I keep saying. You're one slip on the banana peel from being in trouble. And it's happened both weeks. And the thing I worry about is this tie is going to give LaFleur ammunition say, nah, my idea working fine.
01:01:23
Speaker
There's a couple tweaks and we're good. And maybe it is, but... Dude, like, that's back-to-back embarrassing performances by your head coach. And like I said, that identity stems solely from the guy in that chair.
01:01:39
Speaker
You get paid all the money,
01:01:42
Speaker
Like I said, they're going to put all gas, no fucking brakes, and hot piss on his gravestone when whenever he's not here any anymore because it was just a lie. It was nothing more than a fever dream and a lie.
01:01:56
Speaker
Well, and I keep saying this, and I sound like a broken record, but it's as if he thinks you can only score so many points in a season. And when he has to spend those points in a game like this, he gets pissed off about it.
01:02:11
Speaker
And this is another reason why I say we just need to do away with press conferences because there's no use to him because all he's going to do is come out and I know we're doing our live and they've probably already done their press conferences and all that already, but all he's going to do is say, well, we're going to have to take a look at that. We didn't execute the way we should have.
01:02:32
Speaker
I thought our guys were fighting, you know, put up a hell of a fight, but there's some things we need to work on. that's all he's gonna say it's all gonna be coach speak and and cliches and shit like that that it no and i do agree he's
01:02:51
Speaker
to kind of steal from our segments he's getting stale and the the funny thing is is we know he can be more than that he has the things in his playbook but he won't use them.
01:03:05
Speaker
He tried one tonight with the handoff to Savion and the pitch back to Love, but it just didn't materialize down the field. I don't know. I didn't get to see what was the downfield look on it. So maybe there wasn't somebody open. Maybe Jordan just didn't want to fit it in there or whatever.
01:03:26
Speaker
And so we know he has these things in his playbook. but when he gets to these situations, he won't use them.
01:03:38
Speaker
He just wants to go back to the, like you said, the, the bubble screens and the, and the, the toss plays and the runs up the middle. And well, we at least got a couple yards out of it.
01:03:53
Speaker
It's, it's not going to win you anything. It's not. And it's showing you, it's not going to win you anything to be that conservative. And, I
01:04:07
Speaker
don't get it because we were fed a bunch of shit when he first was hired that he's going to rejuvenize this offense. He's going to all gas, and no fucking brakes, the wake up with your piss hot, your your shit like that.
01:04:26
Speaker
And we're not seeing any of it. We have yet to see any of it. I won't even say the Cowboys ah playoff game was seeing any of it. I think he just lucked into it because the Cowboys were just playing shitty that day.
01:04:41
Speaker
And that sucks to say because you want to see them have success. You know what this team can be. They just won't do it. And I can't put it all on Halfley. I can't put it all on the defense because when your offense can't sustain drives, you're going to gas out your defense by putting them out there constantly.
01:05:08
Speaker
What do you do? I mean, really, what do you do? Maybe you need to stop having these rotations of wide receivers. Run the hurry up a little bit more. Maybe that would have helped out some of these backups on the offensive line a little bit more because that would have put the Cowboys' defense at a disadvantage because they they couldn't get on and off the field like they need to be.
01:05:33
Speaker
You got to do something. You can't just keep playing the same shit week in, week out.
01:05:39
Speaker
I know next week is the bye week. Who do we play after that?
01:05:44
Speaker
Yep. So... No, I'm asking the question. Who do we play after the bye week? Oh, Bengals. Sorry. Okay, well, theoretically, we shouldn't have any problem with that because they don't have Joe Burrow right now.
01:05:58
Speaker
But the way this team is playing, they'll make Jake Browning look like a frigging Hall of Famer.
01:06:05
Speaker
So i something's got to change, whether it's – didn't they bring Hackett back in as a special – uh uh what they call him a special uh advisor did they keep him i can't remember hold on i don't know i know he was in either for minicamps or there for yeah i can't remember if he actually got like a spot or not or if he's just like kind of around kind of thing because maybe you need to be listening to hack it a little bit more than basacci there's a reason why basacci isn't a head coach in the nfl
01:06:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:06:50
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, everyone says, like, no one knows how to feel after a tie and all that kind of shit. Pissed off. Yeah, I feel pretty pissed off and defeated after this one. Because, like, first off, no game in world should ever end in a tie.
01:07:09
Speaker
and your coach just played for one. Yeah. it since halftime that it's like he's playing for a tie.
01:07:18
Speaker
don't know. Have we beat this horse to death yet or not? Yeah, I guess so. I'm just spiraling at this point. I
01:07:28
Speaker
don't even know whether it's better or not that they don't have a game next week. They need the rest. They need the whatever bit healthy. And that's the thing is, I don't even know how much healthier they're going to be coming out of the bye.
01:07:39
Speaker
Like, I guess Hobbs won't be concussed. You hope Hobbs won't be concussed by the time they play Cincinnati.
01:07:48
Speaker
But who knows what whole bunch of groin isn't going to be as bad because he was able to play last week, but he wasn't this week. Yeah, and then Belton, it sounded like that's a shorter-term thing. But that's the thing is—
01:08:01
Speaker
Yeah, I— I don't know. And you know what I would do? There is no way in the world I would let Goody, the floor, or any of them leave Green Bay for anything. They need to be bringing people in for workouts. They need to be retooling things.
01:08:19
Speaker
And to kind of answer your thing or to go back to what you were talking about with, you know, why they didn't come up with a better plan to replace a Jair, now they can't.
01:08:31
Speaker
because they gave up so much for Micah Parsons. Now, you know, unless they want to continue to go into the hole and with draft picks, there's no way they can fill spot by a trade anymore because they don't really have the ammunition.
01:08:50
Speaker
Or even offensive line. Like all line, you're just doing the prayer circle that the buy is going to solve most of your problems. How much juice do you think is left in Bakhtiari's knee?
01:09:06
Speaker
Bach is the kind of guy that I get the feeling he probably weighs like 270 right now. Like but after no one, after, after he couldn't get a call from, you know, his buddy on the jets, I, I get the feeling that he's the kind guy, like the next time we see him in green Bay, he's going to be like, he's going weigh like 240 pounds. And it's going to be like, who is that guy?
01:09:26
Speaker
Like when he shows up to be inducted into the Packers hall of fame, it's like, who is this guy in the first row kind of thing? And I mean that in the best way. Josh Shitton and TJ Lang did the same thing. I saw him last year when they were up there for Matthews.
01:09:47
Speaker
And those are two guys that are like, they look like big boys kind of thing. But like, you know, Mike Wall is one where you look at him and you're like, this was one of the like, biggest meanest guards in the nfl and he just looks like a he looks like a dad like he is but like you know what mean like he looks like a looks like a dad at the baseball park kind of thing and stuff but no it's i i don't even know who would be out there at this point i really don't i'd have to sit down and look no they're they're stuck with what they've got at this point
01:10:21
Speaker
You know, they... Hold on. What's the schedule? So, you know, you'd like to hope that, you know... I know the the the Cleveland game was on turf, but... Or it was on grass, but... I don't know if playing on Dallas... You know, that's the thing. It's like, I hate having to come up with reasons for... Why it looked different or whatever bullshit and stuff. But, you know, so your next... One, two, three... Okay, well, your next three games are...
01:10:50
Speaker
Your next three games are on grass because you play Cincinnati at home. You go to Arizona with the fucking moving grass field thing. And then you go to Pittsburgh, which is like barely a step above Soldier Field's turf.
01:11:04
Speaker
And so, yeah, i don't. Well, there's one more thing that I want to call out. And just to kind of lighten the mood after what we just have been going with, I want to call out Chris fucking Collingsworth.
01:11:18
Speaker
He fucking comes out and says, well, you got to wonder if the the weather is affecting the Packers' defense. What the hell are you talking about? One, they're in a fucking dome.
01:11:31
Speaker
Two, it's September. It's not like it's negative 20 in Green Bay right now that they're coming from horribly cold weather to warm weather and it's going to be any worse for them.
01:11:43
Speaker
What the hell kind of shit are you talking about, Collinsworth? Well, he had one where like the one that I tweeted is he goes, like they showed Jordan doing like some kind of rollout and he goes, you can see here they're running away from Parsons. And it's like, well, of course they fucking are. He's on the Packers sideline.
01:12:05
Speaker
I was like, good Lord. You know, they, they need to start retiring some of these guys. I know. I said it for the longest time with Dickie V on college basketball. like Stop using game broadcasting as senior daycare.
01:12:24
Speaker
had one with Brad Nessler in the Michigan-Nebraska game where Nessler spent a whole quarter trying to call face mask on Michigan. and and It's like... Nobody grabbed anything close to the face mask and stuff like that. Well, even fucking the Hawkeyes radio network, Ed Podolak finally retired a couple years ago.
01:12:42
Speaker
And you could just tell by the end of the first half, he was already fucking tanked. And not to make light of it, because Ed Podolak has been known about a drinking issue for most of his career,
01:12:57
Speaker
But just – some of these guys – and even – you know, I used to love watching Terry Bradshaw and them have fun on Fox Game Day and stuff like that. But I think really now it's time for some of these older guys to take off and not bring in like a Gronkowski because all he is is flash and substance. He's not really an analysis.
01:13:23
Speaker
So – Yeah, but yeah, I sat there and I was like, what the hell are you talking about?
Reflecting on the Discussion and Future Hopes
01:13:30
Speaker
That it must be, you know, you got to wonder what the weather is affecting the Packers defense.
01:13:36
Speaker
What?
01:13:39
Speaker
All right, I had to light the mood with that one. So think we've the dead horse enough. Yeah, I think we've hit everything already at this point, and we're just going to to spiral it if we keep going any longer.
01:13:54
Speaker
Like I said... I thoroughly enjoyed it because normally you don't see Kiwano get heated like this, and it was wonderful. I just... you know, I can accept losing when you're, when the other team is better than you, when you're physically outmatched and all, I cannot stand mental mistakes.
01:14:10
Speaker
And I absolutely, absolutely abhorrently despise poor tactical choices. And LaFleur made every poor one tonight.
01:14:25
Speaker
And like, the The most irritating point of mine is you call this game scared after you give up the blocked PAT and shit.
01:14:35
Speaker
And you know what you allowed to have happen? You allowed Jerry fucking Jones to go in in his locker room and say, see, Dak Prescott is an irreplaceable player. Micah isn't.
01:14:47
Speaker
And like I said, it also gives bears fans ammunition now because see, we were able to go down and, or we were able to kick the Cowboys ass and you couldn't do nothing.
01:14:58
Speaker
Like, and that's the last thing we need to do is give frigging bears fans and more ammunition Yep. But like I said, it all goes back to the three coaches, the three rival coaches in this division are all out to embarrass you if they have the opportunity. O'Connell's probably the nicest about it.
01:15:19
Speaker
And he just plays the nerd card and is like, I just wanted to try this new play kind of thing and stuff. But LaFleur is the only one that's like, nah, like, it's okay. As long as like, as long as we can get the win, it's fine thing. Like,
01:15:31
Speaker
Again, he only takes 600 points in a season and that's what he's limited to. But that's going to do it for us tonight. like Like Joe said, we've probably had enough of pissing into the wind and moaning about it. It's not going to change the outcome. It's not going to change how LeFleur calls games or manages games. It's just really frustrating to see it play out by the book, basically, at this point. You know what?
01:16:01
Speaker
Maybe the most symbolic thing that'll come out of this game if certain things play out at the end of the season is going to be Ed Policy in his binoculars in the press box.
01:16:14
Speaker
And hopefully my Dr. Pepper stock.
01:16:18
Speaker
But that'll do it for us tonight. Please check out the website, ohanapackers.org. I'm sure that Carlos and I will have a bunch of articles going up over the bye week, you know, as we parse through whatever the fuck the Packers are at this the end of the first quarter. I don't even, know...
01:16:36
Speaker
I'm sure I'll write a whole long article about my usual early season question. Is this a good, bad team or a bad, good team? I really thought I wasn't going to have to ask that question this season after week two.
01:16:47
Speaker
And week three and four have made that come roaring back into a point of discussion, which is not where I thought we'd be after how the season started.
01:16:59
Speaker
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01:17:17
Speaker
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01:17:35
Speaker
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01:17:51
Speaker
Like I said, honestly, that game has left me as the freaking, you know, the Narcos meme where Escobar is just sitting everywhere looking distraught like that.
01:18:04
Speaker
Just staring into the unknown, that's how I feel after this game. Like,
01:18:09
Speaker
Like I said, all I've got is Jordan played good. Flick! I know that's short with a lot of other guys, but...
01:18:17
Speaker
There were good individual efforts, but not complete team effort.
01:18:23
Speaker
But that, like you said, you know what? There's a lot of ballgame left, lot of games to be played. Hoping we're not going to be as disappointed like we have in the last two weeks with this team.
01:18:34
Speaker
They have so much talent, so much promise.
01:18:38
Speaker
But we'll see how they end up at the end of this season. But until next time, go Pack Go and Aloha.