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Week 9 Packers Blunder against Panthers
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! on this episode Mike goes on another epic Anti-Matt Lafleur Rant as the guys try to break down the ugly loss to the Carolina Panthers. Find out what we thought was Fresh, Stale and Moldy! make sure to like and subscribe wherever you get your favorite podcasts!
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Intro
Packers' Performance Troubles
00:00:56
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. Today, Joe and I recap a wet fart of a game from the Packers where they earned every bit of that second loss on the 2025 season.
00:01:10
Speaker
Joe, a bunch of trends and decision making that we've been harping on for the past month, month, month and a half, finally came back to bite the Packers fully in the ass at home.
00:01:25
Speaker
I know that neither of us really partake in told you so, told you so, uh, reporting or anything like that. But honestly, there's a part of me that's kind of puffing my chest out about things that we were like, we fucking told you to stop fucking around with this stuff.
00:01:40
Speaker
And you still did anyway. And, I'm pissed off that it cost the Packers a loss, but this is one of those where it's like, if you guys start taking this shit more seriously, this could be looked back on one of those, it was good for the team losses, and I fucking hate those, but...
00:02:01
Speaker
so much of this game is just like marisol was like you sound mad but you don't sound that mad and was like because it's stuff that i've been and and she goes i've heard she's like there's a few things i recognize that you've been harping on whether during other games or in episodes or whatever but and i said yep they just continue to the same stupid ass every game and honestly like i said
00:02:27
Speaker
We're going to go over into all of it. There aren't very many good things from this game. Yeah. Well, do you just want to jump right in or do you want to go on a rant? Because when you go on a rant, we get a lot of listeners. Do I suck them into the whole episode do I make Clark Griswold blush now or do I save it for later on when I get to say, holy shit, where's the Tylenol?
Injury Concerns and Team Adjustments
00:02:52
Speaker
That causes autism, you know. No, no, no. He backed off because the lawsuit must have been coming down the pipeline. He backed off that shit real fast. But yeah, we can just go ahead and jump in with him that way.
00:03:04
Speaker
We'll try and be nice for 15 minutes and then we'll. All right. Hey. This one is the result of one of the worst possible things that could happen this season.
00:03:16
Speaker
The fuck, you know, Tucker Craft's knee might have just disintegrated today. But goddammit, Luke Musgrave had a decent game. It was much too little, much too late.
00:03:28
Speaker
I know that was not a Musgrave route. When I saw the replay, was like, oh, my God, they had him run a double move. But he stayed on his feet and he made a 20-yard catch. They're going to need more of that. know all the reports right now is that they're fearing for ACL, all that stuff.
00:03:44
Speaker
The few who like – I know that LeFleur said it didn't look good or it doesn't look good. Yeah. I also saw what's the one Twitter doctor say that he thinks it could be an MCL deal. Yeah. So that's what I was going to get into is the – shoot, and I forgot. I think that's Jeff.
00:04:04
Speaker
The one he's the – I he's a 49ers fan. But, yeah, he does. Chow didn't even mention the ACL on his. But, yeah, Dr. Jeff was – I think it's the one that said that it looked like an MCL deal. Yeah.
00:04:17
Speaker
Yeah, and Dr. Jeff also said, like, yeah, you're always going to fear for the ACL, but he's like, main point of concern is a bad MCL sprain that's going to, you know, probably be long enough that you need a short-term IR stint anyway kind of thing and stuff. So, I mean, that's the absolute best-case scenario that it's like – grade two or three mcl spring which is still gonna knock tucker out till about christmas being all you know being totally realistic but at least that way you're gonna get him back at some point this season that they needed that's what said to brian on our post game was that
00:04:52
Speaker
we can hope and pray or whatever you want to whatever deity you want or whatever that it's just an mcl deal yeah because long term wise he's going to be out till maybe end of the season but if it's an acl he's done Yeah, yeah. And I do think that, and I did see some people say, it's kind of good that he didn't just immediately get ruled out. Because usually if it's a bad ACL, you can tell off the bat that that thing is toast and stuff.
00:05:23
Speaker
I don't know. But going back to the good thing, like I said, we got some good out of Musgrave and they're going to need more of that going forward. The big thing there is that LeFleur has to use him like he's Luke Musgrave and can't be like, well, my Titan one's out and I'm going to put Luke Musgrave in and have him do the same shit I was having Kraft do.
Offensive and Defensive Challenges
00:05:45
Speaker
He can't. Kraft can do a lot stuff Musgrave can do. Musgrave can't do much of the stuff Kraft can do, so you've got to reshuffle it and stuff. And we were all seeing that because when Kraft went down, they were trying to get Musgrave in there to block a little bit, and it just wasn't happening. Yeah, and, like, that's going into the... even think that Patrick is that good of a blocker. No, and that's why...
00:06:08
Speaker
I understand why they wanted to see what Fitzpatrick is and stuff, because I do think Sims kind of topped out as what he is. He's like just sort of an inline blocker who can he has the athleticism to kind of surprise you downfield every once in a while kind of thing. But, you know, those are kind of few and far between plays.
00:06:26
Speaker
But I always thought that Sims was the better inline, the best inline blocker on the team after Kraft. at certain things may be better than Kraft at certain inline blocking stuff. And that's why I didn't like that they cut him for Watson. I understand that it was sort of like... It kind of got to the point of it's kind of him or... It's kind of him or Haversick at that point. And we'll get into that topic of discussion later on too.
00:06:54
Speaker
But... yeah i they're gonna have to figure things out on the fly and like i said it gives me hope that we'll see some stuff from luke luke going down the road because you know he just has been a total afterthought all season save for like that one downfield play against the the commanders and it was good to see him catch a 20-yard pass again today Yeah, and I said it. I was really excited. The three times that he caught the ball, he managed to stay on his feet. It wasn't like it was. Even the one where he set up the fourth and two, I was like, oh, no, he's going to fall down, and it's going to be fourth and five. But he actually got them like four extra yards on that play.
00:07:36
Speaker
And again, it was a craft play where it's like he kind of like chips and then runs like a hitch, and then he has to – catch it turn all the way around and get up to speed and stuff like that and yeah it kind of looked like a battleship avoiding a torpedo kind of thing but at least he turned it into fourth and short where you were like okay we're going for it definitely kind of thing well then there's the one play i can't remember who he threw it to maybe it was one of the outs to one of the running backs or whatever but even think we had greg olson today right yeah
00:08:08
Speaker
Yeah, it was hard for me to tell because I had to sail the seven seas because we didn't get it in our area. So the stream that I was watching, while the picture quality was good, the stream quality wasn't. It was like, it was jerky. So was hard to tell who was actually talking and doing what, but it sounded like Greg Olson.
00:08:29
Speaker
But anyway, there's one of them later in the game where Musgrave is running like an, oh, what's that route? Where it's not like slant. It's more of a curve up and out.
00:08:43
Speaker
But instead of, and I know Jordan was under some pressure, but he could have heaved it easily because Musgrave was wide open, but he managed to get it short to, I want to say it was one of the running backs or maybe it was Dobbs or something like that.
00:08:58
Speaker
They still got the first down or whatever, but If he would have hit Musgraves and Musgraves legs would have stayed under him, he'd been there for a touchdown. Yeah, it was the first play of the game.
00:09:10
Speaker
Yeah. Or the first Packers play. Yeah. So it was amazing that he was doing what he was doing. Now, hopefully we can keep that going with him. But again, you're not going to be able to rely on him as an inline blocker like you could Tucker.
00:09:25
Speaker
And even Tucker's not a great inline blocker, but he's sufficient. Yeah. he gives you the two-way he get he's good enough that he he makes your he makes the offense able to play two ways with him in there and i don't like comparing him to this but he's more of he is kind of like a rob gronkowski in a way where they're sufficient in blocking but they're more of a playmaker than they are anything and you know that's going to be a huge loss and i i did mention this in one of our group chats you know this
00:09:59
Speaker
If this is long-term like the fear is, them releasing Sims is going to hurt. Yeah. Because now you've got Musgraves, you've got Fitzpatrick, who is whatever, you know, he's more of a fullback than he is a tight end, but he's even not really that great of an inline blocker. He's okay for a lead blocker, but not inline.
00:10:22
Speaker
And then when you look at the practice squad, they've got Josh Wiley, which is just another Musgraves. So they have no inline blockers when it comes to the tight end. So it's going to be interesting what the corresponding move is going to be for them.
00:10:40
Speaker
If it wasn't for him... In Denver, I could honestly be all aboard of bringing Big Dog back and letting Mercedes Lewis be the inline blocker for a while. I mean, they can sign him because he's only on their practice squad. Right, but we'll see what happens out there because I think they activated him for today, and don't know what he was able to do. So I'll have to do some research on that and see if he's still got his legs underneath him or not.
00:11:07
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, it might be something like that that they're going to have to do because they don't have an in-line blocker on the team unless they decide to do what Pittsburgh's been doing and use the offensive linemen or go back to the old Barry U71 formation or U72 or whatever it was where they just bring an extra lineman out when they want to do something, which is hard to do when you can't trust any of your offensive linemen at the moment.
00:11:36
Speaker
But... I got to throw a good one out there. And in a way, it's a forced good one. And force is the word that I'm going to use for it because it's got to be Romeo. Romeo stepped up, but it was like Jordan was force feeding Romeo. He wasn't trusting anybody else. He just wanted to go to Romeo, which, hey, whatever. Romeo is a great Great receiver for the Packers. I won't say he's like a top five receiver in the league or whatever, but he's a great receiver for the Packers.
00:12:07
Speaker
He's a reliable guy and all that stuff. I know they were down wicks. Watson is on a pitch count. Golden would go out later with a shoulder injury. Although what's weird with that is I swear I saw him back on the field late in the third quarter, early fourth quarter.
00:12:24
Speaker
Yeah, he was kind of ruled him out. He was kind in and out. Yeah, I don't know if he got taken out eventually or whatever. And then even the Watson one, oh, God, I'm going to have to agree with his dad. It was so weird how he got taken out of the game when, like, he hadn't even gotten hit for a while kind of thing. Who knows?
00:12:43
Speaker
I don't know. But anyway, Dobbs was good. What was it? It was 10 targets, nine catches or something like that. I have the seven catches, seven catches, seven catches on 10 targets for 91 yards, but he didn't get any touchdown.
00:12:58
Speaker
And this is why I said it was really not a great game. They just kept force feeding Romeo is because the next highest receiver for our next highest target is Josh Jacobs with five.
00:13:13
Speaker
And I understand that they were saying the wind was really bad today, so it was hard. But you would think with the way Jordan was just chucking the ball around that there was nothing wrong out there.
00:13:25
Speaker
And he looked horrible today. So we'll get into that little bit later. But, yeah, I got to go with Dobbs as a good.
00:13:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:13:37
Speaker
Honorable mention. think of one more out there. Xavier getting that interception. Almost forcing a fumble, like almost getting a strip sack fumble a couple plays before that.
00:13:47
Speaker
Then getting the interception. That's going to in stale. But yeah, kind out after. But that whole play is going to go in my stale.
00:13:59
Speaker
I can only think of one more good one. Yeah, what you got? Josh Jacobs. He was doing as well as he could with what little he was given. He still managed to get average 5.1 with 87 total yards and a touchdown.
00:14:15
Speaker
So, you know, I got to give it to him because what little he was given with what the line was giving anybody. Even they struggled with Emmanuel Wilson, and we've seen how Emmanuel has really stepped up when he's been called on. For the soul stealer, I've got to give him one.
00:14:38
Speaker
Yep. Good call. Good call. All right. You want to move on? Yeah, we'll move on. What's this deal, shit?
00:14:48
Speaker
So do you want to go first or you want me to go first? I'll go first. So my stale shit thing for this game Halfley falling too much in love with contain rush against mobile quarterbacks.
00:15:01
Speaker
And... The reason I bring it up today is because next week they play Hurts, and we saw how he played Hurts in the playoffs last year. And I don't like taking that angle against a guy like Bryce Young, who is coming off of injury, ankle injury,
00:15:19
Speaker
and you're letting him kind of just sit there in the pocket and like feel the game out kind of thing this was the week to engage quay and edge as blitzers and use the other one as like a pseudo spy short zone defender and just like light up uh just light up bryce at every opportunity you could kind of thing and One other spot, and Olsen kind of pointed it out on the broadcast.
00:15:49
Speaker
I forget who brought it I was listening to that brought it up. I think it might have been Robert Mays on the athletic football show. They're saying how we show double A gap pressure so often, but we never bring it.
00:16:02
Speaker
And Carolina called a dive play into it, knowing we're probably not bringing it. And Green Bay gives up a first down, partly because Quay and Edge take two steps to bail out of the look. And then they're like, oh, shit, it's a run. And they're, like, already driven past the line of scrimmage and stuff.
00:16:20
Speaker
And so it's like, it's... I give Halfley a little more of a pass because more of his stuff has worked than LaFleur's has. But also, you've got to throw the counter to some of these things because you're getting predictable.
00:16:33
Speaker
And like I said, and going back to just the mush rush against... like even against hurts you can't just go that bad and I I know what hurts did against the Cowboys in week one and all that kind stuff but you have three guys who should be relative cheat code players in terms of creating quick pressure obviously Parsons is one and then your two linebackers in Quay and edge and how they can attack the interior of the pocket as a as a gap blitzer and Those are the things where I'm like, you have got to be more creative in how you attack teams. Like you just have to, you like, yes, I understand that you don't believe this Carolina offense should be able to string drives together and stuff. And the dumb thing about it is the numbers kind of played out. They only score three times.
00:17:22
Speaker
One of those is off the interception and all that kind of crap, right? But at the same time, Don't turn the heat down on them. This is an O-line that's starting two backups, lost another starter midway through the game, and you're like, eh, we'll kind of slow play it and not put the pressure on them whenever they have to pass.
Coaching Scrutiny and Decisions
00:17:43
Speaker
and i know kind of mostly worked out for green bay but especially when you're getting chewed up in the run game you have to start throwing punches back at some point and halfley kind of just let it happen a little too much in both the pass and the run game and so that's a stale one that i'm marking down because it ain't getting easier for you next week against the eagles and it ain't getting easier the week after against giants even though scatterbows out the Dart's going to run the ball and the Giants are going to try to run the ball on you too. So it's like, you better figure shit out.
00:18:16
Speaker
Yeah. And it's also pretty sad when the only sack of the game comes from your safety off a safety blitz.
00:18:24
Speaker
And even then, that's a technical safety because all he did was knock the ball out. Yeah. Or sack I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so it just – it was bad. They were getting some pressures but not much.
00:18:40
Speaker
And you're right. You know, he's just coming off of an ankle injury. You kept hearing it when the commentators were talking about, oh, well, you can tell he's not putting pressure on his leg to throw because of the ankle injury and stuff like that. So for them to not take advantage of stuff like that, it really sucked.
00:19:03
Speaker
And said it on socials. I don't know if they were just way too drained from the Pittsburgh game or they're looking ahead to the Eagles game. or combination of both, or they were more worried about how they looked in their uniforms than they did playing in the game.
00:19:21
Speaker
They just didn't show up. The defense as a whole didn't show up. And this will lead me into my stale when comes to talking about the Xavier strip sack.
00:19:35
Speaker
Why didn't Devontae and Quay try to attack it? It just sat there for a bit. That is just a representation of how this team treated this game. And like I said, you...
00:19:49
Speaker
kind of just thought you could sleepwalk in. And, you know, Doc Rivers had this great rant when he was late in his career as the Celtics head coach, where he's yelling at the big threes, yelling at KG, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce, and Rondo, and the starters.
00:20:04
Speaker
And he goes, y'all went out there and you thought, oh, these guys are coming in and thinking, it's the big bad Celtics. Oh, no, what do we do? And that's how the Packers approach this game is it's like, oh, we're the number one team in the NFC, and the Panthers are four and four, and they're just...
00:20:19
Speaker
the weather's not great and they're not this and that, and they'll just kind of roll over at some point. Well, no. Keep going. I got to step away for a minute. Oh, yeah. So, like,
00:20:32
Speaker
yeah that was a microcosm for this whole game in terms of how prepared they were to play the piss was it hot or not is you know where it was the pedal to the metal no none of it was the this team just slept walked into this game i don't think they even knew the game kicked off like i think the only reason they know this game happened is because tucker got injured that's a problem so yeah like It's really frustrating. It's really disappointing.
00:21:01
Speaker
And luckily, you get blitz pressure from Edge couple plays later, forces a bad throw from Bryce Young, and then X gets the pick. So, you know, that's why was my last bright spot for the day because, you know, he did get the one turnover. It's just
00:21:19
Speaker
I'm going to hold it on until Joe comes back. I'm here. Even Olsen and them were talking about it. That's what the defense has taught.
00:21:29
Speaker
Any ball on the ground, you grab. Whether it's live, whether it's dead, or whatever. That's my thoughts while I kind of catch my breath here.
00:21:38
Speaker
Yeah. But... anything else you had for stale or i think everything else pushed into the freaking moldy this week honestly
00:21:49
Speaker
not that i can think of maybe save you on a little bit because this was probably his bad game it was his rookie moment yeah yeah But even that... You can even see it. LeFleur was telling him off the sideline, you tuck it in your outside arm. You don't keep it on your inside arm.
00:22:09
Speaker
He's like, yeah, I get it. So he's learning third-round rookie, whatever, but... And even that flows into a moldy for me. So, yeah. All right, you want to just go ahead and hit it then? Yeah.
00:22:24
Speaker
It's a moldy cheese. Okay, so what are we? Week nine? So it's been five weeks since the last time I was pissed off this much at LaFleur. it week nine?
00:22:34
Speaker
Yeah, week nine because we're 5-2-1. So we've played eight games, had the bye already. So yeah, it's week nine. So it's been five weeks since the last time we did one of these. So Matt LaFleur, yeah, he has the shiny record. He's created a lot of really good offenses. He's groomed Jordan Love, blah, blah, blah.
00:22:53
Speaker
Your team every year comes out and shits the bed against bad competition. It was a problem in 2019 when you got waxed in LA by the Chargers.
00:23:04
Speaker
It was a problem in 2020 when you couldn't get up to play the Jags and you let the Vikings run all over you in the windiest day in Lambeau Field history. In 2021, you couldn't get up for week one. And even the playoff game, honestly, you looked like you would have rather been anywhere else but playing that game. 22 was a whole bunch of that. 23, you had a whole bunch of that. But the team wasn't that great either.
00:23:30
Speaker
And then this year, every opportunity where you've been a double digit favorite, you have come out and just looked dead as a doorknob flat to come out of the gates.
00:23:43
Speaker
and you know i know that oh youngest roster in the league blah blah blah all that kind of stuff at some point that buck falls at the head coach's feet you are a reflection of whatever stamp your head coach wants to put on as your identity and laflora's identity across his seven years has been Let's control the narrative of the game.
00:24:07
Speaker
Not, let's go embarrass people. Let's put our foot on people's throats. Let's go put 30-something on these guys. It's, let's do enough to win this game on our terms. That's a fucking piss-poor attitude to have going into games.
00:24:21
Speaker
And LaFar will never admit that that's how But that's how he calls games. Wanting to establish the run against a team that shouldn't be able to stay on the field with you?
00:24:32
Speaker
That's stupidity. You should be getting your quarterback in a rhythm and smoking these fools off the field from you. And no, Love didn't have a great game today.
00:24:44
Speaker
Love honestly should have been in the stale because he wasn't, you know, overall his stat line was outside of the interception was okay, but the interception was a bad throw.
00:24:55
Speaker
And at the same time, On some level, quarterbacks all have that, well, I got to save the day because whatever ain't happening, this, that, what.
00:25:06
Speaker
And when you don't get your quarterback in a rhythm early in a game, because it's more important for you to run up your O-line's asses for two yards a pop than it is to get your quarterback and your passing game in a rhythm,
00:25:19
Speaker
Your quarterback at some point is going to like, fuck it. I'm going to be the hero and I'm going to turn the tide in the game. That's what that interception on the throw to Watson was. That was Oh God, LaFleur is going to call another stupid run play in a little bit.
00:25:33
Speaker
I just dug us out from the shadow of our own goalposts. Let's try and loosen them up deep. And it was the wrong time for that thought process by Love. But I understand why. Because on some level, he in his mind is thinking, how many more chances am I going to get?
00:25:50
Speaker
to throw the ball. And like I said, you can't excuse that mistake for that mindset. That's not a good approach the game from Love. But you, as LaFleur, like when I say you, LaFleur, you are looking at, oh,
00:26:06
Speaker
I want to put together these 12 play drives. We're going to possess the ball. going to wear down the defense. No, you have the talent advantage when your offense against their defense. You should be stretching them vertically more than you are horizontally.
00:26:20
Speaker
That's a big one. Stop trying to trick play the opposition into submission. Hit them in the mouth. Your run game can't do it. So push the ball vertically and attack them in the deep and intermediate parts of the field.
00:26:34
Speaker
That's how your roster is built to do that on offense. It's not... it's you can't say that oh because jacobs had a good year last year it ain't last year we're halfway through this season and your run game has sputtered in every game except for like two so stop acting like it's 2024 it's 2025. jacobs is like you said jacobs is a man for trying to make chicken salad out chicken and innards this season but dude like wake up and we got the same from him after the game oh it's on me i've got to have this team more prepared you've been saying that for seven years seven years and then you do the oh we're self-scout and blah blah have you ever have you ever admitted the problem might be you matt like
00:27:20
Speaker
when the when the players have changed the quarterback has changed the running back has changed the offensive line for the most part has changed the receivers have changed the defensive coaching staff has changed lot of your offensive staff has changed it's you you are the constant and this same thing against the same kind of undermanned opponent happens again and again and again in your tenure at some point look in the mirror and make wholesale changes and the cherry on top of the sunday is him planting his flag whether he wants to admit it or not in mcmanus island because god damn it we've been saying it for three weeks that at some point it's gonna bite them and Thank God it bit them in the ass in November and not in the playoffs.
00:28:06
Speaker
Because holy hell, if McManus had... That's the thing. He was shit last week in Pittsburgh. And everyone gave so many excuses for why you can't trust Haverson.
00:28:17
Speaker
Why haven't trusted McManus this whole season? He has not split the upgrades on back-to-back kicks all season. He has been wayward left and right all season every other kick.
00:28:28
Speaker
And the big problem I have is that... Even before he hurt himself, he was pulling kicks to the left. What does that... I'm not an expert on kicking at all. But to me, what it looks like is he's a right-footed kicker. It's like a right-handed batter.
00:28:42
Speaker
You start to lean and you try to pull everything down the left field line to yank the ball out. He knows that his leg strength is going. He saw the 61-yarder that Haversek smoked with ease.
00:28:54
Speaker
And he's like, uh-oh. Like, I don't think the kid is as good as me. But I got to show that I still have some juice in the leg. And when you start ganking kicks in the same direction, what that tells me is he's trying to sell out for power that ain't there anymore.
00:29:09
Speaker
And I don't understand why he's doing it on sub 50 yard kicks. That's two 44, 43 yard kicks the last two weeks that he has ganked out the left side of the upright.
00:29:20
Speaker
And what's doubly worse is not only did LaFleur look at last week and say, nah, it's okay another week. He went and same thing happened this week. But what really, really, really pisses me off about this week is you made the bad decision last week. You made the bad decision again this week.
00:29:38
Speaker
And then you let your bad decision-making and McManus' shitty kicking affect your decision-making later in the game when you don't have like two-thirds of your receiving options.
00:29:50
Speaker
And you're like, but we're still going to go for it on fourth and eight because I don't know if he can make a 35-yard field goal. LaFleur, you made this bed, you dressed this bed, you better lay down in this goddamn bed and fucking go night-night in it because everyone was screaming that this was a problem.
00:30:10
Speaker
And you said, okay, there's so many, like, there's still a couple more things, but you saw what McManus did last week and you didn't keep Haversick up again this week.
00:30:23
Speaker
That is, won't go so far as to say it's a fireball offense. It should be a fireball offense on McManus, who both you and I were never comfortable with the worst thing that happened is that he came in and he kicked two game-winning kicks back-to-back weeks.
00:30:38
Speaker
That was the worst thing that could have happened is then everyone overlooked the fact that he's Mason Crosby with an off-field incident. Go look at their career numbers. They're basically the same kicker. And this dude kicked at altitude for almost all of his NFL career. That mattered.
00:30:53
Speaker
So...
00:30:55
Speaker
like and then people were getting on me last week when they like oh you're just you're just you're just riding high on the fact that haversick kicked the 61 yarder no what i'm riding high on is i saw this kid kick seven kicks and they were all dead center mass down the middle of the field goal post i don't care where he kicked him from mcmanus like i said he shook him he almost missed the game tying pat today like He cost the team six points.
00:31:22
Speaker
I will say this, not to defend him because I fully agree with a lot of what you're saying right now, but they said that the wind was swirling pretty bad at Lambeau, and that caused even the Panthers kicker to miss, even though it was a little bit longer, miss that one PAT, and he almost shanked the other one because of it. So...
00:31:43
Speaker
not to give him full excuses or anything like that but the wind was pretty shitty today right and even more so that's why why are you relying on a guy who can't put power into the ball that's again like i said you make the inactive list after warm-ups you can see what the field conditions are for the day of the game and you're still like oh decrepit old man leg is gonna be good enough for us today That's a coaching decision.
00:32:12
Speaker
And then on top of it, yes, I know he's a rookie who hasn't really proved anything. What did we say the Panthers are going to want to do today? They're going to want to run the ball at you. And you went and were like, we don't need a fifth defensive tackle.
00:32:27
Speaker
Just stupid upon stupid upon stupid decision making. And like I said, the biggest irritation I have with this fan base is, The reaction to, oh, who are you going to get that's better than LeFleur?
00:32:42
Speaker
That's the same stupid-ass reason that got us two more years of McCarthy than we probably should have. That and running the table at the end of 2016 extended McCarthy far past his expiration date.
00:32:54
Speaker
That attitude, think, is some of the dumbest. And no, I don't have a good answer for who I would pick to be if LaFleur wasn't back next year. And I think he will be. don't think they're going to fire him. He has one more year, but I think he's just going to... I really do believe that policy is going to take it year by year.
00:33:12
Speaker
and play it out kind of thing because policy is looking at it probably like he's got this year and they're gonna make the playoff like they'll make the play if they don't make the playoffs then okay all bets are off like all bets are off yeah so but you know unless they win the super bowl there is nothing anywhere near a lock for him getting an extension because i can definitely see policy saying brian made a trade that shouldn't have happened for top tier play a top five player in the league and yes there's still some issues holes on this roster but you and your staff should have been able to figure out how to get how to land the bird on this one
00:33:55
Speaker
And, you know, right or wrong, that's how a owner slash CEO position guy is going to look at it. And like I said, I don't think they'll fire LeFleur unless they miss the playoffs.
00:34:07
Speaker
But at the same time, like matt dude you gotta get your head out of your ass and figure this out there is a whole lot and so two things one i hate the
Quarterback and Play-calling Issues
00:34:18
Speaker
oh who are you gonna hire instead that is a crap comeback for the head coach is a problem the other side of it is tyler harrick i love you buddy but no you do not burn the tape of this game there is so much stuff that you can learn from this crap sandwich that you put on film today
00:34:38
Speaker
some of the ones like i said we already went over picking mcmanus and letting mcmanus's earlier that's the thing is like it would have been a 35 yard field goal and you didn't go for that one inconsistent tackling poor run fits bad run blocking the big one though for me that stands out like a sore thumb is okay aaron banks got injured early in the game why the did you put sean ryan in at left guard i understand that we did the whole like jordan morgan needs to stay in a spot one you are still rotating the two of them the past two weeks and ryan probably played better than him last week in pittsburgh
00:35:21
Speaker
Put Ryan at right guard and let Morgan play left guard. Why are you playing two guys out of position? Because you're playing Ryan at a spot he doesn't play in the regular season.
00:35:31
Speaker
And you're playing Morgan in a spot where he gets his ass kicked on a regular basis when anyone plays with power or physicality against him. The only sack that the Panthers got today is because lightweight Morgan got his ass shoved into Jordan's lap.
00:35:49
Speaker
and Jordan couldn't escape the pocket because of it and that happens again and again and again on film like I said my frustrations with this coaching staff is we see so many of the same kind of stupid decision-making process and all we get is a sorry about your loss sympathy card level explanation from LaFleur after the game And he did the thing where he's like, oh, yeah, we're one for five in the red zone.
00:36:17
Speaker
We got to do something about that. Doofus, call stuff where guys run routes into the end zone.
00:36:24
Speaker
I know you don't have a stereotypical jump ball player on this team, but stop running everyone short of the end zone. Like, there are so many flaws with how the team operates.
00:36:36
Speaker
And... most of the issue like i said i had problems with how halfley called the defense and i'm worried about what that means for next week against the eagles but holy this game was a game because your offense could not put more than 13 points on this panthers defense hallelujah holy where's the tylenol
00:36:57
Speaker
So there's so much to go on after that. But, yes, I agree. Decision-making has been horrible. Again, he's playing out of – his scripting of plays has been nuts.
00:37:11
Speaker
You know, you rush it when you should be passing it. You're passing it when you should rush it. You're not – putting your players in the right positions.
00:37:24
Speaker
You're not activating certain players that should be active for games.
00:37:30
Speaker
You're trusting players that maybe you shouldn't be trusting. I'm still not sold on Jordan Morgan at any spot on the offensive line at the moment. McManus, you know, what more can I say about him? I'm not, like I said, the only excuse I can come up with for, and it's not even an excuse for him. And, you know, it showed that it sucked for everybody was the wind was a mess in Lambeau, but Yeah, there's no other excuses you can make for him.
00:38:00
Speaker
And the one thing that I am going to disagree with you about, and it is ending up in my moldy part, is Jordan. Jordan looked like a first-year starter out there today because he was just chucking it.
00:38:15
Speaker
There was no rhyme or reason to a lot of throws he was making. He got lucky that Watson bailed him out on one his long-ass throws because that was in double coverage.
00:38:27
Speaker
He probably hurt Golden with throwing him in double coverage. He threw the one interception into triple coverage. That could have got hung up in the air by the wind, but it still was in the triple coverage.
00:38:40
Speaker
He almost gave up another interception because a wayward throw that he made towards the end zone. I don't think it was going to end for a pick six because think Dobbs would have been right on him, but it had been fairly close.
00:38:59
Speaker
But... his decision-making today was even suspect. Like I said, he looked like a first-year starter instead of a third-year man who's supposed to be the, you know, the star quarterback of the team.
00:39:17
Speaker
I just, I don't know. And like I said, the decision-making from the floor with a lot of his plays just didn't seem right.
00:39:25
Speaker
You can say the same thing about, you know, Well, I'll give you this. Just to play devil's advocate here, I know he's the head coach and all that stuff, but being that he's got a certain person as his assistant head coach,
00:39:42
Speaker
He's relying too much on that assistant head coach and his decisions. And if Passaccia is sitting there telling him, oh, yeah, we're good with McManus. We're good with McManus. I got him fixed. I got him fixed.
00:39:54
Speaker
Then, you know, LeFleur could say, no, Rich, you're wrong. We're going to bring this kid up. But he's relying on his coaches, which most NFL coaches are going to rely on their assistants and their coordinators to tell them when they think there's an issue.
00:40:12
Speaker
And if he's relying on Rich Bisaccia to sit there and tell him, yeah, we're good. We're good. McManus is good. He's good. What do you do about that?
00:40:23
Speaker
I know what I would do about it because it's bitten him in the ass for the last few weeks. But I mean, really, what do you do on it? And the other thing that I'm going to dis... Because I feel personally attacked when you were calling out people for saying, for using the, well, who are you going to get?
00:40:43
Speaker
Well, it is a good excuse, but I'm not saying you fire LeFleur in the middle of the season type thing. Mine is, I've seen a lot of people say that they need to strip him of play calling duties.
00:40:57
Speaker
That's where I'm saying, who are you going to get? don't trust Stinovich to call plays. I definitely don't trust Rich Bisaccia to call plays.
00:41:11
Speaker
I don't know if there's a coordinator on the team that I... I don't trust Butkus because wouldn't say this to his face because he'd probably eat me. But right now with the way the offensive line is playing, I don't trust Butkus because...
00:41:25
Speaker
I can't think of who their wide receiver is. it Getzey that's the wide receiver? Getzey's the passing game guy. So maybe like maybe. He's kind of curious as an OC. Yeah, I think you kind of give it to one of the like passing or running game coordinator kind of guys or whatever. And I know we've talked about it before. I don't know if he's still on the team as an advisor if he's elsewhere, but you got Nathaniel Hackett.
00:41:49
Speaker
Maybe you trust him. I know he was advisor during the training camp. I don't know if he's still there. Yeah, I'm not sure what the status of that is.
00:41:58
Speaker
And yeah, so you get into that... And I do agree with you. LeFleur, I think it's all or nothing. think if you're... yes okay so like there's some people are like oh then what does he do he's still the guy who's like coming up with the scheme he's still devising like the game plan and all that kind of stuff the overall the game plan usually is pretty good but the thing that i worry about is so like if you decide okay taking away play calling it's like
00:42:29
Speaker
You're counting on that the time that LeFleur in-game isn't spending on calling plays means that he's going to get better at all the other managing the overall game and all that kind of stuff.
Coaching Changes Debate
00:42:43
Speaker
I just don't think that's going to offset enough. I don't think the gain there is worth taking away his play calling. You know what I mean? And I think that's where we get around to like, it's kind of stupid to talk about taking away play calling from him. That's sort of the live by the sword, die by the sword in terms of you got him or not.
00:43:03
Speaker
Like you said, i think the best you can do is you take away crutches and whoever is giving some of the feedback on some of this decision making like you said if it's you you if passachi is the one that's like oh no yeah we should trust mcmanus like he if he says he's good he's good kind of thing like yeah like definitely throw that out on the side of the road and stuff but yeah i i definitely agree with you there and yeah i i'm not saying that matt gets fired now or anything like that i am all this season is doing no no no yeah yeah i'm just clarifying that i think we're on the same page that it's like policy the way this season is playing out
00:43:42
Speaker
Policy is definitely well in the right position to be to hold the like we are going to assess and reassess everything in real time and stuff and yeah like and My thing is like know there's so many ways this season can go still yes thank god the vikings didn't up the end of their game and we're still almost by default still on top of the nfc north but we are still on top of the division you're a half game out of leading the conference still and yada yada yada blah blah blah and all that but this stuff has to stop you should have at least two more wins on this season if you just took some games seriously
00:44:24
Speaker
And you should have breathing room on top of the cup, not just, oh, like we're still winning the division. You should be able to be standing there laughing at the Lions for losing to a quarterback that everyone said was dead man walking. But no, it's instead we're like, oh, thank God, J.J. McCarthy didn't suck for one more week. Kind of like that's the position Packers fans are in.
00:44:45
Speaker
And honestly, For Packers fans, you're now in the position of, oh, shit. That's totally a game they could lose in three or four weeks. So here we are.
00:44:59
Speaker
Like... Like I said, you're in the position of every other team in this division has a side of them, a part of them, or a side of them where they're an ass kicker.
00:45:12
Speaker
They want to embarrass you. They want to put your team in the ground. And I quoted you on Twitter. our coach is the one who coaches like he's got 600 points a season and that's all you ain't getting any more there's no mortgaging from last you can't if we only scored 540 you don't get to roll over those 60 to this year that's how he coaches and like i said you can just tell because you know i was shocked he called the shot play on the first play of the game but like There's so much east and west in the game plan.
00:45:46
Speaker
You get Jacobs going on the first drive. And honestly, LaFleur, the way that it is your fault is if some of these RPOs are totally Jordan's decision, you got to take them off the table because your run game is working.
00:46:04
Speaker
Do not activate the fucking RPO. Make them stop what you're doing. Like... That Savion play is as much on LaFleur as it... Like, yes, I know the whole... LaFleur wasn't the one who was out there and fumbled the ball.
00:46:20
Speaker
Why are you putting him in that position in that scenario? You've just creased Carolina on back-to-back plays. You're either running it again or you're going hard play action. None of this cutesy ball on the outside shit.
00:46:33
Speaker
Like, just attack. Like, you know, the Packers aren't the, like... put it in your fate you know you're not gonna bite kneecaps like a dan campbell game but you've got to go for kill shots in your own way and throwing dumbass swing passes ain't the way to do it so but yeah continue that was the play that he scored a touchdown on last week so you know i think they were hoping for magic to start strike try twice on that that's why i i don't completely
00:47:03
Speaker
fault him for that because it's a game that it's a play that they've had success on. But I do agree that it was probably the wrong time to be doing it. That is more of a red zone type play than it is a, you know, you're on your own 25 yard line type deal. But I...
00:47:23
Speaker
Like I've said it, we've said it just, LeFleur played this game similar to the Browns game and the Dallas game. He wanted to play for the tie.
00:47:36
Speaker
He didn't want to play for the win, he didn't want to play for this, he played for the tie. And you could tell it. And like I said, it didn't help that Jordan was looking like a first-year starter. It didn't help that his offensive line couldn't, you know, stop anything.
00:47:57
Speaker
and i don't know i i just it it's getting it is getting worrisome because we're getting to that part of the season where it's going to be worrisome right it's not even just the teams that they're going to be playing it's just now these games are going to be more important because now uh uh standings are getting tighter yep
Season Progress and Urgency
00:48:24
Speaker
So even if you were to play just hypothetically, hyperbole, you know, let's say you play the Panthers again later on in the season.
00:48:33
Speaker
If you played again this game the way you played them then like you did now, that could be your difference between a fifth and sixth seed or a sixth seed and no playoffs at all.
00:48:48
Speaker
So that's where we're getting to that point of this season is we're running out of games pretty damn quick and you can't just play scared.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yep. Like this one is getting a little into the weeds. I will throw one kind of moldy out there for the people who are like, oh, the Packers are disrespected because they just had one of the best wins on the season and no one takes them seriously, blah, blah. No one takes them seriously because they're one of the teams with a winning record who has the dumbest losses on the season. That's why they get some of these big wins, all that kind of crap.
00:49:23
Speaker
But that's why they're not atop anyone's power ranking is because... you hear all and i know packers fans don't like hearing it but there's a reason the pundits look at the packers and go what even is this team like so yeah uh and then you gotta throw in the moldy nixon because nixon was looking rough today And that's just become a week in week out thing.
00:49:50
Speaker
And that's why I was never sold on him, even from the start of the season. I I don't I have never believed him to be a number one corner at most. He's a borderline number two.
00:50:04
Speaker
Yeah. And played like two today. Yeah. And so. I'm hoping these rumors of the Packers making phone calls are true, and I hope they can get something made. And I'm going to say something now that I said the postgame, and I've said all season, and you've said all season, Asante Samuel Jr. is not the answer.
00:50:28
Speaker
If what has been said about him this past week is true, and he just now got cleared to work out, and he just got cleared to, or he is getting cleared for contact, he is in no way, shape, or form ready to play in a football game.
00:50:47
Speaker
And the soonest he's going to play is probably the last two or three weeks of the season. So your best bet is to, what's the guy's name, Taylor out of New Orleans or one of the two, Turner or Britt from Cincinnati or something along.
00:51:10
Speaker
The dream would be a Denzel Ward, but price tag is not there. I know we kind of had that conversation in one of our group chats where his cost for his contract would definitely mean you're not keeping at least two of your own free agents.
00:51:32
Speaker
And on top of that, he hasn't been good this season. So you're kind of like... banking on playing for a contender is going to turn him back into the really good player he has been in the past which is and you're hitting that age mark i think right now he's 28 gonna be 29. yeah and that's spooky like from the age point of view and the like you're counting on being added to a playoff chase invigorating him like that's that's a spooky place to be for for a contending team to like
00:52:05
Speaker
it's not the same because it was injury related, but it just screams to me like it's going to be like the Marshawn Lattimore trade was for the Commanders last year, where it's like you deal a third and a fifth and you get like two games of him for the whole season. And it's like, like I said, I think Ward will play, but like how many of those games are realistically going to be good?
00:52:27
Speaker
That's the concern there. And I do want to throw this out there. I do not see a Jeffrey Simmons or a Quinion Williams coming to Green Bay via trade just because I don't think there's enough there in trade compensation. And again, contracts that they're going to you're not going to be able to keep a guy like Quay.
00:52:48
Speaker
You're definitely going to be saying goodbye to Romeo and and at least one of if not both of uh Rasheed Walker and Sean Ryan so we are at that point but anything else you want to throw out there have we ranted and raved enough yet I think we've ranted and raved enough that's all this game that deserves at this point And really, you know, as the defense as a whole was able to contain the pass game.
Defense and Officiating Concerns
00:53:23
Speaker
Yeah. But that really beat them in the ass when it came to the rush game because Dowdle came up with 130 frigging rushing yards. Yep. So they didn't repeat the failures from the first time that they played the Panthers with Bryce Young and made him look like a superstar. He still looked like a dud, but the panthers did just enough to make this team look like a right yeah and it's the like make him beat you but don't make it easy on him kind of thing like that was the whole point of this is like there's one thing this offense does well and you let them do it to control the game on that side of the ball that's not good football oh we might as well throw the referees out there too because they were bastards
00:54:13
Speaker
oh like bad spot after bad spot all day like i can't believe new york kind of build green bay out in terms like i shouldn't say build that because people are going to think like oh no like the refs gave a first down when the guy was clearly a yard short of the first down then you had the one where They almost nailed Cooper for unsports. Oh, God.
00:54:37
Speaker
Yeah. Even as it happened, I was screaming. He slowed down. Well, that's what I was telling Brian during the postgame. I go, they have a sideline judge for a reason.
00:54:47
Speaker
Right. He is supposed to be the guy that makes sure the guy is inbounds or out of bounds. And that's the dumb shit that threw the flag. And Bryce Young was least two yards inbounds.
00:55:01
Speaker
They totally overreacted to the fact that he slid like a bowling ball into a stack of bowling pins. I told Ryan, when you're five foot nothing, 100 nothing, and you've got a bull coming at you, you're going to fly like a frigging kite.
00:55:16
Speaker
Yeah. So, yeah. That one. And then there was another piss poor spot. It was, I think it was right before Dowdle's first touchdown where they... They like turned third and nine into fourth and one, but it really should have been like fourth and two because the tight end is clearly a yard and a half short of where they marked the ball.
00:55:38
Speaker
And then Daudo gets the first down by running it up the gut kind of thing and stuff. And it's like, and, and maybe they call a different play, but it's like, he got the first down by like two inches. And it's like,
00:55:49
Speaker
if you mark the ball correctly, he doesn't get it kind of thing. And they probably still go for it. But if you're at fourth and two and a half, it's like, is there enough space to run the ball here kind of thing?
00:56:01
Speaker
The decision gets a little bit more cloudy. It's not like in the middle of the field where it's like, oh, they're going to be playing deep. They're going to play their second level off. They're not going to play goal line defense. That stuff's out the Yeah, like, and then you have the play where Bryce Young breaks the pocket.
00:56:21
Speaker
And in the replay, Rashawn is clearly being bear hugged by the right, by Josh Naiman. And then, oh, and then on the fourth down, Dowdo converts. yosh diamond has i don't know who it was he has all of whatever the defensive tackle in front of his like it's so clear again you have two referees in the backfield with four eyes between them who are supposed to be watching those kind of play and yosh it's not like he had the like hand that it kind of like got said he had two fingers that are just like in there and he's pulling and turning the face mask and it's like
00:56:55
Speaker
Those are the kind of things that you absolutely cannot miss. Like, that's inexcusable. And then there was the one where Nixon got called for his PI, but it was the same exact thing that the Carolina corners were doing, like, all game.
00:57:11
Speaker
yep so I hate having to keep say that stuff on here about referees and their calls but it just seems to have gotten worse ever since Micah has called out the officiating crews yep so so I don't know I'm already too down for all this shit should we need to go any further so with that we'll put a bowl on this one turd bow because that's what the packers gave us
00:57:42
Speaker
Thanks for checking us out.
Expectations for Upcoming Games
00:57:43
Speaker
Hopefully the Packers will play better next week and give us a better effort. Otherwise, Philly's another team that will embarrass you, and they'll do it in Lambeau if you don't wake up for that game.
00:57:55
Speaker
That one's more expected because Philly is a much better team than the Carolina Panthers are. Yep, yep. And they seem to have found their mojo the last couple weeks. the packers like yeah you had back to you know you had three good wins and all that kind of but just spend parts of those games looking listless and snide been posted again you were you came in averaging 7.7 points in the first half of your last whatever games and you got worse at it this week because you only had six like
00:58:29
Speaker
just continuing to make things worse. Like for a team that should be so talented and so, you know, should be a considered contender, they're the one team that decides to make everything more difficult.
00:58:43
Speaker
Like, you know, it's like, it's not enough to be pushing the boulder uphill. Let's push two boulders at the same time. That's what this team does to itself. but we won't continue to go on and You already know they blew this one absolutely didn't show up, didn't care enough to show Oh, got one more thing to say, but this is where conspiracy joke comes out on.
00:59:06
Speaker
If I had to believe that the NFL is scripted and the NFL is rigged, today is another reason why this would go into the clips that I would be sending on to people.
00:59:19
Speaker
they talked that field goal so much about the kicker missing earlier and you know this would be two times or the second time this year that he's kicked a game-winning field goal and you know he's an undrafted free agent that has had a ton of success so far this year and one second left on the clock and I said it right before the kick even happened.
00:59:46
Speaker
I put it right out on social media. The way they're talking it up, the kick's already going to through the uprights. And guess what? It went through the frigging uprights. So this is another clip that I would throw.
00:59:59
Speaker
I'm starting to believe we're not even watching games. I think they're hollow projecting AI out on the field, and that's what we're watching. And don't tell me that you were in the stadium watching it. They've got hollow projectors out there showing this shit.
01:00:15
Speaker
Yep. I am going to get me a tinfoil hat here pretty quick if this keeps happening. That's what happens when your team that's supposed to be a Super Bowl contender just plays down to competition, just unwilling even want to hear the Super Bowl contendership because this is making it look like 2010 where they have super highs and...
01:00:38
Speaker
amazing lows, and then they're going to go on a run, and we're going to get that. And I don't want to win a Super Bowl that way. I want it to be like 96, where they go out, they dominate on both sides of the ball, they put up points, and they make the run all the way through the Super Bowl.
Engagement and Future Outlook
01:00:57
Speaker
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Speaker
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Speaker
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01:01:33
Speaker
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01:01:44
Speaker
Whatever you want to hear, we want to know so that we can create the content you're looking for. Packers sleepwalked their way into a stupid, stupid loss. Their second of the season, third really disappointing game of the season.
01:01:57
Speaker
And they have no time to lick their wounds. The Eagles are coming up on Monday night football next week, and the Packers better bring their A game or they're going to get embarrassed in Lambeau. For Iowa Joe, I'm Mike. Go Pack Go. For one thing on that, with it being Monday night, if you have YouTube TV, you're not going to be able to watch the damn game.
01:02:17
Speaker
So you may have to set sail on the seven Cs and get your eye patch out and your wooden leg and your parrot. But because my parents have YouTube TV right now and we're trying to figure out how to get them to be able to watch the game or my mom be able to watch the game on Monday night.
01:02:38
Speaker
And all it is is because they're in a pissing match because they don't make enough friggin money, even though they're billionaire, a billion dollar company. So just food for thought. If you have YouTube TV, you cannot watch the game unless you figure out another way. So start prepping for it.
01:02:56
Speaker
Yep. So for Iowa Joe, I'm Mike. Go Pack Go and Aloha.