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Week 7 Packers Ground Cardinals
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! Join us as we break down the Fresh, Stale and Moldy of the Green Bay Packers win over the Arizona Cardinals! Be sure to like and subscribe wherever you get your fav podcasts. Also be sure to head over to https://ope-shop.fourthwall.com to pick up a cool piece of OPE merch!
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Intro
Opening and Packers' Game Reflection
00:00:21
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ahana Packers Edition podcast. If I sound a little droopy, it's because I am recalibrating after waking up from a nap with the kids. It's just another Saturday afternoon here in Honolulu, but...
00:00:36
Speaker
Hey, I'm just doing my best impression of the Packers today. While I had no playing with technical difficulties, I am going to rally and do better by the end of this podcast. But the Packers went into Arizona.
00:00:51
Speaker
less efficiently than you'd like to see. But you know what? It's the NFL, and there are a lot of teams wishing that they secured a win in the winning moments of their game this Sunday. So long-winded intro aside, Iowa Joe is here with me. And Joe, know you did the postgame with Brian, but overall thoughts on the game today. was a mess.
00:01:12
Speaker
It was gross. It was a win, but it was –
00:01:19
Speaker
You know how they always talk about politicians and voting for the lesser of two evils shit like that. That's kind of how I feel about this game is, you know, I think the lesser of two evils won the frigging game just out of pure happenstance more than anything.
00:01:36
Speaker
I mean, we'll get into more of deep dive when we get into our segments, but it wasn't pretty. It was a win. You got to take it for what it was.
00:01:45
Speaker
And just hope that – I will say this, and this can be considered deep dive or whatever, but like I said in our postgame with Brian, if I'm guttekunst, this whole next week is spent on nothing but workouts on cornerbacks.
Cornerback Concerns and Team Strategy
00:02:04
Speaker
And I don't care if you've got to scour the practice squads. I don't care if you've got to find Jim Bob off the street. I don't care if you've got to bring in somebody from Australia or somebody off of NFL Europe's Ghost of the Past or whatever.
00:02:23
Speaker
I'd be searching.
00:02:25
Speaker
Yep. And, you know, I know I put a lot of tags on a lot of people, you know, we'll just go on that topic for a little bit. I know I put a lot of tags on a lot of the guys who are available as street free agents at the moment. And, you know,
00:02:39
Speaker
Honestly, I've done that more as a like, don't expect much disclaimer, but the Packers are at the point with what they've put into this season. You've got to just do something to try and like stir the, you've got to churn the water here no matter what. And i do believe starting with that is making Valentine Hobbs a true competition.
00:03:02
Speaker
And that's the first domino to fall and you kind of make moves from there, whether it's, I have no idea what his health is, but signing in Asante Samuel Jr. off the street or whatever, just you cannot let this opportunity go because You know, we'll get into it as go into the show, but they had that cutaway of Halfley where you see him smack the desk in the press box.
Defensive Strategy Critique
00:03:26
Speaker
And I do think there's an element of like, hey, I'm trying to do other shit here and you guys are fucking it up anyway kind of thing. So yeah. Well, if you're a mouth reader, you could even see he said, what the fuck's going on out there? Right, exactly. And like I said, we'll get into the weeds on those as we get through the details. But I think that the people who are like, Halfley's not trying stuff, Halfley's not making adjustments,
00:03:52
Speaker
As he proved last year, those thoughts can sort of, you know, go up the creek too. But unfortunately, don't know if the solutions are on roster. Like I said, there's a few minor things they can do.
00:04:05
Speaker
Giving Valentine more of a real shot as a starter. That's the crazy thing though. Last year, our corners weren't great by any means, but they were still playing better than what they're playing now.
00:04:16
Speaker
And we didn't have quite the pass rush with last year as the Packers do right now. So what changed between last year and this year? The only thing is you got rid of Jair and you brought in Nate Hobbs.
00:04:28
Speaker
Right, and you can't even, you know, people are like, oh, but it's like, you know, as much as both of you and I were like, mean, I wouldn't dump Jair yet. It's like, well, he hasn't played well with the Ravens.
00:04:41
Speaker
And he didn't play for the most part of the second half of this of last season. So it's like, OK, so like you said, what has changed? Honestly, nothing really. And a lot of the tweets seen are like, Hobbs had one job and was to be not worse than Stokes. And he kind of
Micah Parsons' MVP Performance
00:04:58
Speaker
has been in a sense. Like I said, we'll get there when we get to stale and moldy segments. But that's the dower that's coming out of this game, that and some of the issues that we've talked about before. But we'll try and move out of the... You just want to go ahead and jump in?
00:05:17
Speaker
Yeah. Let's save those segments for the proper segments. Fresh cheese. Here, I'll hit the button again. Fresh cheese. Do you want to go first?
00:05:27
Speaker
Well, if I'm going to go first and I'm going to take the lowest hanging fruit of lowest hanging fruits, and that's got to be Micah Parsons. I said this during the live that this has got to be the best game Micah Parsons has had in the green and gold so far.
00:05:44
Speaker
Hopefully he can do more, but so far this has been his best game. He had five QB pressures, three sacks, should have had a lot more But again, they weren't calling lot of the shit that they were supposed to be calling.
00:06:03
Speaker
And I'm going to say it now. Well, no, I'll save it because this can be a moldy too. But like I said, Easley is the MVP of the game. Easily saved the game for the Packers.
00:06:17
Speaker
This is, you know, there was so much strife the last couple of weeks because you hear the casual fan, oh, well, why'd we give up so much for Parsons? And why'd we pay Parsons so much? Because he's not doing anything.
00:06:30
Speaker
This is the game where you can look at those people and tell to shut the fuck up because this was what we needed out of Micah Parsons. Yeah, totally agree with you. And what's it like the whole thing that we always talk about is, you know,
00:06:48
Speaker
his impact, it was always going to be tangible, but at the same time, it wasn't going to be as cut and dry as a lot of people say. Obviously, we all want him to have the big counting stats and that kind of stuff. But the reality is that, one, he instantly becomes enemy number one for any opposing team. That's just how this league works.
00:07:09
Speaker
Two, excuse me,
00:07:14
Speaker
He's getting mauled on so many plays and stuff. Like you said, you had a few more today. And then three, that kind of impact that you're getting from a player like that, you just can't quantify how important it is have a guy just plays at the level he does.
00:07:32
Speaker
And I saw someone say it, he basically is the kind of impact he's having is like peak, peak Matthews.
00:07:42
Speaker
And I think Parsons is a better player of thing. I know at one point, Klay was maybe on the Hall of Fame-ish trajectory pattern, and he was in the Defensive Player of the Year talks and all that kind of stuff.
00:07:55
Speaker
At the same time, though, it wasn't to this level where it was like... Because two things that Micah kind of has on him is like, he's just a better technician. I love Clay. I love all the things he did as a Packer, but there was always an element of like,
00:08:11
Speaker
he's just controlled chaos and sometimes he was uncontrolled chaos and wasn't always necessarily the best technician of thing. You see a technical prowess to Parsons game every time.
00:08:23
Speaker
And on top of it, you know, you can't project this thing out, but he has been healthier than Klay has through his career to this point, at least. You know, we'll see where it goes from this point, but And just to add that to that, I think Micah is a little bit more athletic too than what Clay Clay was a freak, but I think Micah was a little bit more.
00:08:43
Speaker
Yeah, different kinds of athletes. And to the point of, like you said, the best game as a Green Bay Packer, from a production standpoint, Arguably his best game ever as a pro because I think was Schneidman I saw. figured was Schneidman, Demovsky, Wes Hodd who posted. This is his first career three-sack game. He's had
Packers' Offensive Struggles
00:09:04
Speaker
two and a half on at least one or two other occasions.
00:09:07
Speaker
But this is the first where he actually hit three in a game. So, I mean, go figure for his first multi-sack game as a Packer. He blows through his career high. So, just excellent stuff from... from from from parsons and to that point you know rashawn had the first forced fumble of the season uh pulled the packers back to on a turnover counter on the year so you know they're they're dead even in terms of terms of turnover differential and on a day where you're just not
00:09:41
Speaker
not doing much well you needed that jump start from uh some of your best players and your you know just to like the point you're bringing up about parsons your best players absolutely came through on the day and the other point i would like to make is uh my reverse jinx on the pass rush worked you know the your over under was two and a half sacks and i said they will not and it was a reverse jinx and it absolutely I mean, both of them had to go with that going forward, because if you look at my over-under, my prediction on Golden was way, way off, and we'll get on that a little bit later, too.
00:10:18
Speaker
Yep, so... Just a good thing to see. And, you know, there are some concerning things to see with this front, and we'll get into it later. But it was nice to see the pressure come back. You know, six total sacks and pressure on a bunch of other occasions.
00:10:35
Speaker
Obviously, Micah had half the sacks, but we finally got to see Quay going in the pass rush game. And I thought he was superb. One of the...
00:10:44
Speaker
One of the few things that Jonathan Vilma actually got right is that Kuei is a really good interior blitzer. And he just absolutely mauled the running back on both of his sacks today. It was really good to see that kind of play out of him.
00:10:59
Speaker
He's been close a couple times so far this season, but really good to see him get on the board. And he ends the day with... What he end it? Yeah, he ends the day with one and a half sacks.
00:11:10
Speaker
Did he bump it down to one and a half? It was two there for the longest time. No, I think what I saw earlier was he had one, Kingsley had a full, but then they were like, oh, no, like, or...
00:11:21
Speaker
Yeah, and they were like, he had one, Kingsley had one, but then they were like, no, Kui, he fell off, but then he did get back on the sack, and Enigbari was the first one to help clean it up and stuff, so they fixed that one up, and then the other sack was...
00:11:37
Speaker
Oh, no, and that's six because one and a half plus a half, and then Rashawn's one and Parsons three. So, like I said, really good to see the production come back for the pass rush. And, you know, they're always going to be high on pressure count, but it's really good to see them convert into completed sacks more often because, you know, if, you know, unfortunately you're not going to get many turnover plays or your corners aren't going to be good enough, like,
00:12:02
Speaker
that front sorry the weight of the world does fall on you you've got convert your opportunities and they honestly had chances for a couple more so really good to see that on the defensive front my fresh is like just it wasn't a good day at the office you know the offense did close to nothing the whole first half defense was letting up just couldn't couldn't get off the field on third down especially third and long all game and yet when it really mattered
00:12:31
Speaker
Your defense forces a stop on fourth and one. You go down the field.
00:12:39
Speaker
LaFleur got a little, little lazy with the play. Not lazy, but he got a little suspect with the play calling down. And you can tell he was trying to force Arizona to use timeouts and stuff. And Jordan and... Jordan and Jacobs basically, I'll go so far as to say bailed him out from some bad choices and even had LeFleur admitting that he called the timeout on fourth and two and sent
Special Teams and Player Futures
00:13:02
Speaker
the offense back out because of how really dejected Jordan looked after that third down toss play that he was about to kick the field goal to tie the game at 23 after.
00:13:15
Speaker
Really good to see them come out. Jordan executes on the fourth and two. And then Jacobs has some just grown-up runs coming out of that fourth down conversion.
00:13:26
Speaker
The first one, I mean, was pretty cut and dry. Like, you know, was a pretty standard play. But then the play after it where LeFleur is just so obviously trying to force Arizona to burn timeouts inside the two-minute warning.
00:13:37
Speaker
He, that play is dead to rights and he bends it outside. Luckily, one gets called for a phantom hold there and he pushes it up for like five or six yards and gets us down to the one and just,
00:13:52
Speaker
the two, you know, like I said, just like Parsons and Gary are two of your best players on defense. You know, Quay is trying to enter the conversation as a guy who deserves to get his contract extended here and stuff and reportedly has a deal on the table.
00:14:06
Speaker
But, it's just good to see that in the gotta have it moments, your best players on either side of the ball made plays. And then, you know, the,
00:14:18
Speaker
what's it called? The Packers come down on the final drive on defense. Yes, Arizona gets the ball past midfield. Yes, it's on the backs of a thing we're going to definitely talk about in an upcoming segment. But It was the funniest thing to see to have Parsons off the field out of Arizona timeout, get a blow, and then he comes back on the field. And the very next play, he is absolutely shot out of a cannon bends the edge. And then...
00:14:48
Speaker
I think the funniest reverse angle thing in that play is the fact that Will Hernandez is trying to recover to help Jonah Williams, the right tackle. And obviously he's trying to push Parsons on the side to push him past Brissette, but in slow-mo especially, it looks like he pushes him into Brissette. So Parsons slingshots his way around the tackle and then gets in there for a hit.
00:15:13
Speaker
And then even on the final play, rashaun gets enough heat on brissette that he does while he doesn't you know force a bad throw or anything it does like speed brissette's clock up and you know that ball maybe hangs up a little more than brissette wants it to and all so your your best players with the game on the line came through for you and none of us are calling this an a plus anything near an a plus b plus win or anything like that but circumstances what they were the plane your schedule is all off and stuff like that and as much as i always say like you're professionals you gotta figure it the out it took to the 57th minute of the game but they did figure it out and they made enough plays to to win this one and i know some will say like what's the line between a good team and you know the good team should win regardless and stuff well they did win regardless and
00:16:08
Speaker
they did what good teams do, which is, you know, they didn't cover, but they did enough to get a win in a game that was not going their way basically the whole afternoon. So, yeah, and as much as we would have definitely dumped on them for just never pulling out of the nosedive, you have to give them credit for sticking the landing and getting that thing down on the ground. So, yes, we're going to use up all the airplane analogies we can.
00:16:34
Speaker
in this episode like that could be a moldy because friggin professional team why wait till the night before to leave to go to a game that you're going to playing on the west coast right that was a weird one too that their flight was like late late like that was the thing is like in my head i was like oh it shouldn't matter but then i was like wait like what yeah and like you said yeah we'll go into that afterwards but it was funky that like the fact that it was even an issue was kind of like why so yeah but i i think the i think you touched on a lot of great things there so i'm just gonna go ahead and jump onto my next
00:17:25
Speaker
fresh.
00:17:29
Speaker
I know I kind of raged you about this a little bit, but Haverisk or Haverisk or however you want to... Haversick. That kid came out of nowhere.
00:17:42
Speaker
Now he's got his name in history because he's the franchise leading or he's kicked the longest field goal in franchise history. It's got me wondering right now what they're
Offensive Strategy and Player Development
00:17:55
Speaker
going to do with him when McManus comes back.
00:17:59
Speaker
I mean, who would have thought we're in, well, we'll be going into week eight and we may have a kicking competition going on between McManus and Haversink. And, you know, I brought this up a lot in the post-game show, but what do you do with him?
00:18:17
Speaker
I mean, if McManus comes back and he's fully healthy, And we don't know what his progress is. You know, you figure if it was bad enough, they would just put him on IR for, you know, couple weeks.
00:18:29
Speaker
You know, the four-week minimum and then evaluate it from there. But they haven't done that. I know they don't need the open roster spot yet. But, you know, even now, let's say he starts practicing this next week.
00:18:44
Speaker
Does that mean you cut – the kid hope that you can maybe stash him on practice squad without him getting claimed do you like brian kind of was joking around with do you try to ship him out for like a seventh round pick do you like what do you i mean you can't justify keeping two place kickers on the 53 man roster can you So, I mean, got to give him his due today because, you know, 61 yarder, what, probably 50% of the points today were from him. So, and he's been clutch.
00:19:25
Speaker
And I know that was the thing that you were talking about when they brought him in for a workout and then signed him that, you know, this isn't the guy that he, you know, that's not what he was before.
00:19:38
Speaker
So, you weren't expecting it now. But he's been so damn clutch the last two games. So what do you do? Yeah. Like you look at his, like I said, you look at or don't look at his college stats because he was like a 60-something percent kicker in college. And that was like overall, he was consistently a 60-something percent kicker. It wasn't like, you know, he figured it out as a senior and kicked like 70s, high 70s, low 80s percent or something.
00:20:06
Speaker
That was like, he was always kind of like up and down. And I know that... Some teams do the like, oh, this is the long range kicker and this is the short range kicker and stuff like that and all. But like his stats were like, oh man, like they're in trouble. Like there are, which always like makes you wonder like,
00:20:25
Speaker
It always kind of makes you shake your head where you're like, okay, I understand that like, there's not like a, you know, there aren't the like 90% plus kickers out there from, you know, for every NFL team, but it's like, you think there's a hundred whatever NCAA teams and you figure a third of those kickers are good kickers every season.
00:20:45
Speaker
And how are there not an abundance of those guys just hanging out and around and available for you to be like oh let's go but like that just makes the fairy tale even better i don't know i really don't know you know what what makes it even worse is you just gave mcmanus the three-year extension and all that kind of stuff but and that's what i mentioned in the post game was you just signed him for three years so it's not like you can say at the end of the season okay we're gonna get rid of mcmanus and keep haver have her and and
00:21:19
Speaker
we we've both made our feelings on mcmanus and i know that his is a different situation than a lot of others and you know some of the testimonies have made it different than it should be and blah blah blah and all that kind of stuff but you know that's one of those i've never felt great about having him on roster and i you know so am looking for reasons to get rid of him maybe i'm not going to deny But also, the thing I... Mike just made me choke on my drink with that one because I wasn't expecting that comment.
00:21:51
Speaker
But, like, if you want to just look at it from a pure football standpoint, what were we seeing for the longest time with Crosby? It's like, okay, cool. Like, he had the two bad seats. You know, he had 2012 and he 2018, and he worked through them, and he, you know, he's a... Crosby was a beloved figure in Packers history and all that kind stuff.
00:22:10
Speaker
but from 20 like 20 on you were kind of like at some point the wheels are gonna fall off and he's gonna start being a 40 year old guy kind of thing and you saw it in 2022 where it was like oh my god like he is being held together by bondo and duct tape at this point and most kickers lose strength once they hit a certain age you saw it with everybody right
Player Performances and Game Strategy
00:22:36
Speaker
the anderson's you know what was Vinatieri was another one that you know he was only good from like 40 yards out anything after that you were just wishing in the wind and with McManus my whole you know from just a football standpoint my whole thing with him is like how did he get hurt it wasn't you know it wasn't the like tackles he had to make in the Cowboys game dude got hurt in practice like
00:23:08
Speaker
And so like, I look at it this way. don't know what happened. Let's just, let's preference that. We have no idea happened. The only thing we've been told is he got hurt in practice.
00:23:22
Speaker
And everyone's been pretty mum about it outside of, oh, Brandon thinks he can go. Like, that's like really the only thing we've heard.
00:23:33
Speaker
I don't know. I'm kind of hoping that they can move on. Like I said, if we only want to consider the football side of it, it's like, okay, one, McManus isn't going to just get better at this point of his career. He's only going to be worse than the kicker.
00:23:49
Speaker
Like you said, father time undefeated, all those adages. He is getting older and older and older. He's pushing 40.
00:23:56
Speaker
And like, I don't think this will be one of those injuries, but it could be the case where it's like, oh, like he looks different after this injury kind of thing and stuff like that.
00:24:07
Speaker
I do think what will happen before they make a decision either way is you're going to have a game where somehow both guys are up. And I think that or at least they're going to keep Haversek at least one week.
00:24:22
Speaker
after McManus comes back kind of thing. And it's the whole, if there's any issue, they move on kind of thing. But if he looks fine, unfortunately, I think Haversick gets cut and he becomes this really important footnote in Packers history and stuff and has really been a key component to two wins, more than he should have been. both said that As long as he's the kicker, it should force LaFleur to be aggressive. And he, in some ways, some weird ways you can argue he was.
00:24:56
Speaker
You know, like, does he just kick the field goal if McManus has been healthy this season and, you know, like tie the game at 23 kind of thing? You know, who knows, right?
00:25:05
Speaker
But, I mean... You come in one week, you're the top of the discussion for the whole first half of the game. You kick what is the game like clinching ceiling, you know, to put the team back up two scores late against the Bengals.
00:25:20
Speaker
And then you help shift momentum with a 61-yard dome knocker right before halftime. And...
00:25:32
Speaker
it's kind of of a bummer that he probably Packers career probably ends in a couple of weeks, but like don't know. Would I be really sad that he's still the kicker the rest of the season?
00:25:44
Speaker
I don't think so. And hey, on the other football side of it, the Packers would save $1.8 million in cap space if they cut McMadison.
00:25:56
Speaker
So... You know, like I said, I really don't know how they're going to handle it. I'm not... Because... Now you worry about some kind of regression. You know, is he kicking above what his ability is?
00:26:08
Speaker
So do we come back like next week against Pittsburgh and now we have the Mason Crosby Bengals game all over again? Or, you know, that kind of situation.
00:26:19
Speaker
I don't know. I'm not hoping that on the kid. You know, this has been a really great story. And who knows, depending on the McManus thing, maybe you can end up, like Brian said, shipping him out for like a seventh round conditional draft pick or something like that. And is it likely? No, because kickers usually don't go for draft picks and trades and shit like that.
00:26:46
Speaker
But don't know. And he's been damn good with kickoffs, too. You know, So I got kind of a moldy take for him. It could even, or a stale take for him, but could even end up in a moldy after sitting here thinking about it. But what else you got for I'm just going to give a couple more like, oh, okay. The other one is throws to Tucker.
00:27:12
Speaker
He didn't have the most efficient, you know, five receptions on 10 targets, but the 10 targets is a nice change for once to see Love kind of force feed a guy as much as he's going to in any game scenario.
00:27:26
Speaker
the one play that's misses weren't his fault most of them one of them kind of was the one where the ball goes through it it's not a perfect throw but also it's like come on tucker like you gotta catch that one that was the only one where it's kind of like oh no but otherwise yeah like they're the other four were either you weren't gonna do anything with those or they were just misses by jordan so but has the big play. He has a couple of big plays to get them moving in the middle of the field, none bigger than his third down conversion where he catches the ball after chipping the defensive end and he gets himself upfield enough to convert for a first down.
00:28:04
Speaker
And then the touchdown, but obviously none bigger than the fourth down conversion play where He runs just a superb route and Jordan puts it on him right before the sideline.
00:28:18
Speaker
What's it called? Kraft does a good job making sure he gets his feet inbounds and the Packers go on to score the game-winning touchdown. So absolutely have to highlight Kraft's play there.
00:28:30
Speaker
And then, you know, Dobbs had another solid game. I know, like, I'll always wonder if he ran his post route on the first fourth down correctly.
00:28:42
Speaker
I'm always kind of like, should he have kept it more vertical? Should he have, you know, been able to adjust? But to me, that's more on Jordan. You've got to make sure that you give, you've got throw it to the opposite pylon. So from Jordan's point of view, throw it more left than up the field.
00:28:57
Speaker
It's much easier for your receiver to adjust more. like forward as opposed to having to lean back and stuff. But it was a bummer that they couldn't convert on that one. Cause I do think that would adjust how the game goes from that point.
00:29:10
Speaker
And yeah, like other than that though, I'm, I'm out of, I'm out of freshes. I got to give it to Josh Jacobs for coming in, still sick, coming in, dealing with a cap injury that they were nursing throughout. Yeah.
00:29:25
Speaker
that and and i know can you guys can take this whether it was a joke or whatever but i really kind of mean it because when you look at what an mvp is it's a guy that you know the team leans on he's a team leader he you know he has the stats he has the ability but he also is that key component to a team josh jacobs is an m josh jacobs is an mvp if i can get my words out correctly uh Is he going to get the award at the end of the year? No, but he would be a guy that deserves it because he's, you know, we've talked about this for the first, you know, so many weeks that he's had to work for every yard that he's gained.
00:30:10
Speaker
He's had to work for every touchdown he's gained. And when he's not going, this offense struggles. And, so yeah i really got to put him in the fresh even though stats wise he really didn't have like a tremendous game he still put up what was it 55 yards with two touchdowns so you know it wasn't great but He also didn't play a ton of snaps.
00:30:40
Speaker
Yeah, he only had 14 touches the whole game. And I kind of jokingly tweeted after he scored the final touchdown that, like, If Jacobs doesn't touch the ball again, this is his second best efficient game after last week's game in terms of how he's run the ball. It's not his most production by a long shot, but just in terms of how he's looked and legitimately on a bad wheel, he gave you good production.
00:31:07
Speaker
Honestly, if either his calf or the turf is better, he probably has an even bigger game. We'll get to the turf in a later point and stuff. Yeah, I agree with you. I was just going to say the calf could be just dehydration because of being sick. If anybody knows getting one of them nasty charley horses in your calf and trying to walk on it for the next three days is just terrible.
00:31:33
Speaker
That could be something as simple as that. And
Key Plays and Defensive Strengths
00:31:35
Speaker
that's why it's bugging him so much. Right. I'm definitely allowing a little credence to that with the fact that he did play today, played, you know, well, like he didn't look like it was really dogging him at any point of the game and stuff. So I do think that that that was something that I kind of was like, you know, clinging to as like trying to half glass full and stuff is maybe it is because, like you said, it definitely would make sense.
00:32:00
Speaker
Any of you who's had the flu, it's definitely a possibility. And you just hope that they're able to literally work it out over this next week because they're going to need him in Pittsburgh. Other than that, I have.
00:32:12
Speaker
Yeah, I touched on Jacobs in my my your stars came through at the end of the game. But you're right. Like he did give them legitimately everything he had this game and it was enough to get the win.
00:32:25
Speaker
With that, I'm out of fresh. Like I said, the freshest thing I've got for this game is they got the win. And it's something that we both belly ached over, like the Browns games and the Cowboys games, where it's like, there were elements of those games where it's like, and even the Bengals game to an extent, where the last four games you played, this has been an inconsistent team. You're getting either one whole phase that's not working, or in the event of this game where it's like,
00:32:51
Speaker
all of your phases are missed, all three phases have misfired at different points. And it's kind of like, okay, are they gonna come together at the end or is it just gonna be one of those where it's like, they just can't get their shit together and you blow the game as a result of that. And luckily,
00:33:07
Speaker
They all had one last time to throw up on themselves. You had the special teams giving up, getting called for a face mask, and then the defense just giving up multiple big plays to give the lead back up and stuff, and then the offense just throwing up all over itself.
00:33:24
Speaker
both down seven and then down three towards the end of the game. So it's like they all got it literally out of their system one last time and made enough plays to secure the win. So like I said, that's the most fresh thing that I can say about it. But otherwise, I know we're going to have a bunch for stale and moldy for this week. So unless you got anything else, I'm ready to move on.
00:33:47
Speaker
So, no, we're going to move on. So I'm going to go ahead and do one that can fit in both fresh and stale. So I'm going to hit the button and then I'll get into it. What's this stale shit?
00:33:58
Speaker
So Matthew Golden was doing tremendous. I mean, he was catching everything thrown to him. And so this is what makes it kind of fresh. He was looking good, making the catches.
00:34:13
Speaker
getting what he could out of what little he was given. And what makes it stale is that he's just gone. And is that because he got a little dinged up? Because I know on one hit that they were looking at him for like, because I think they got him a little bit out of bounds and then he was getting looked at for something.
00:34:33
Speaker
But then you didn't see him do anything the rest of the game. So was that, you know, cautionary? Was that Jordan just not looking for him? Was that LaFleur not calling anything for him?
00:34:44
Speaker
And you can't do that with a rookie. You may be able to do that with a guy that's been in the league for a couple of years, but you're wanting to get the best out of this kid right away.
00:34:56
Speaker
You can't just go hot for a minute and then cold for the next three and a half quarters of a game. And so that's what makes us stale is just the lack of use of Matthew Gold. Now, again, like I said, I know they were looking at him for a minute,
00:35:17
Speaker
Could it have been just cautionary that you didn't see him the rest of the game get used or get plays called toward him? But yeah, I was not happy with that.
00:35:29
Speaker
Yeah, no, we'll put it in stale because the clearest tell is the fact that you get him three touches on the opening drive, not the most efficient, but he gets 20 yards, he's moving the chains for you, and then you don't hear from him until... I believe it's the first touchdown drive, first or the second touchdown drive, where he catches that crossing route and gets you down to the three-yard line or whatever. Let's see.
00:35:58
Speaker
I know he had four catches on four targets for 37 yards. Yeah. Yeah, you don't hear from him again until the first touchdown drive where he catches that – Yeah, he catches that crossing route that gets you down to the seven and then Jacobs takes it in for the touchdown on the next play.
00:36:16
Speaker
But it's like, like you said, it can't be that hard to get Golden the ball. And like I said, they just targeted Kraft 10 times today.
00:36:26
Speaker
And Golden is four for four. I don't, you know, I know a lot of people are going to say like they're a voice, you know, they're this and that. I think the problem is, is that they're using him on stuff that's more intermediate to downfield, and they're just not getting the protection to maximize his effectiveness on those kind of routes.
00:36:48
Speaker
And then the only way they're like, oh, which is dumb. This is the part that's really stale for me is like, it's either like intermediate to deep stuff or behind the line of scrimmage stuff. And it's like, he can run a slant.
00:37:02
Speaker
We saw him create 20 yards off of a hitch route last week and stuff. Like I said, I'm the biggest Dobbs fan and supporter and defender.
00:37:12
Speaker
But, like, use Golden in some of those scenarios, especially if Wicks is going to be, like, fighting whatever lower leg issues he's got. You know, he left today's game with a calf thing himself and stuff.
00:37:23
Speaker
Like,
Strategic Improvements and Future Planning
00:37:24
Speaker
you can utilize Golden on a lot of those opportunities. So, like... use him. Like I said, I know everyone's like the 429 speed, the 429 speed. We'll see in the long run if it really plays out.
00:37:37
Speaker
But the part of the 429 that's legit to me is the explosiveness out of his brakes. He has that rare... blink and he's gone kind of explosive fast twitch movement and that's the stuff you need on three-step slants quick hitches quick cutters and stuff like that to get open in the short range lefleur's got to start using him there more often and the the other side of that that really helps him in that regard is his hands are so good i don't believe he's got a drop on the knocking knocking on my coal wood table right because don't want to jinx the young guy but yeah like i i don't think they're you know as some people are like they're not trying to get him the ball i actually do think they are trying to get him the ball but lafleur is trying to force feed it in downfield shots and stuff and love is just not comfortable enough in the pocket for that to occur he's like
00:38:35
Speaker
It's there's there's too much like traffic in the pocket. There's too much crap happening for him to feel like he can't wait for those routes to come open and it ain't going to get any better against Pittsburgh next week. So like I said, it can't just be intermediate to deep shot you've got to find ship you got to find work for him in that five yard range and he should be an absolute weapon in that regard so look that's one that lafleur's absolutely got to figure his shit out on that one he's 18 23 this
00:39:13
Speaker
And I think couple of those were just like overthrows. And yeah, because that's five. Yeah. Two of those. We know where two of those are from, from the commander's game. Yeah. One under throw and one over throw. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:25
Speaker
nah, nah. He had two targets in against Washington with no receptions. He had six targets against Dallas with five receptions. He had five targets against Cincy with three receptions. And then he was four for four today.
00:39:40
Speaker
Yeah. So, but I mean, completely agree with you on that. And I understand. My thing is, is they, when Rogers was there, they loved to do those little touch passes and they were successful. Why aren't they doing a little bit more with him on that?
00:40:00
Speaker
You know, that's the thing a lot of people were bellyaching over like the jet sweeps and stuff early in the season. And my one concern with that is like, LeFleur's done it. If you look at 2020 and 2021, he packs some... It's kind like your points joke where he's like, I've got to actually hand the jet sweep off a dozen times for it to batter.
00:40:21
Speaker
But he does it all in the first, like, three to four weeks of a season. And then after that, it's like, okay, like, the guys are just running for cardio at this point or running to get into a route kind of thing and all. And even with Golden... Well, I do Canadian Football League rules with him where he'd start him back by the, like...
00:40:40
Speaker
back by the running back and then just have him run full speed towards the line of scrimmage before you hike the ball and then he's already got a full head of going down deep.
00:40:51
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I was just going to say, that's a route you can use him on because they would do that with Devante where he would do the orbit or return motion where he's moving brighter to snap and then he runs that quick out route kind of thing. you go and look from 2019 through 2021, that was like their go-to fourth down and short conversion play where it was like get Adams on that quick hitting route and then he was like uncoverable. So same thing is like Golden can run that for you. So
00:41:19
Speaker
And I do think this is all part of the process is like, this is what they do with rookies. This is what the Packers do with rookies is they have a defined role for you. They want to utilize you.
00:41:29
Speaker
And as the season goes, they're going to expand your role and all that kind of stuff. But I do think, especially with Reid out, Watson's still not back, your O-line issues, and now Wicks being kind of iffy, you've got to just start giving Golden way more things to do. And...
00:41:49
Speaker
I think he's going to hit more than he doesn't in terms of these plays. So it's like, just start. So you've already established a baseline in terms of what he can give the offense.
00:41:59
Speaker
Now it's the point where it's like, you got to just kind of keep giving him shit and find out how much can he handle at this point. And then you can kind of go the reverse where it's like, okay, maybe it's too much. Or you find out shit, the kid is truly golden and can do everything of thing. So I do think you're at the inflection point of the season where it's like,
00:42:19
Speaker
yeah, like just put it all on his back and give it all to him to figure out and stuff like that. So that's where I'm at with the golden stuff. And no, everyone wants to make it some simple answer. What's wrong? What's not happening? And so it's not anywhere near as straightforward and simple as a lot of people want it to be. There's a lot more convoluted layers to it.
00:42:42
Speaker
But to me, it's one where this is an adjustment LaFleur needs to make. And it's partly golden-driven in terms of how good he's been. And it's partly roster-driven in terms of all the injuries and issues you're dealing with. So it's time for LaFleur to...
00:42:58
Speaker
You know, like you have those comments where it's like, oh, LaFleur is talking to him to make during the week to make him feel better and stuff like that at all. And so it's like just let him run a fucking three step hitch. That's the three steps. Like that's how you're going to make it be.
00:43:13
Speaker
And like I said, I I know it's there's reportedly. Dobbs has a contract offer on the table, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. I still don't think the percentages of him being back are great. I think that's a severely, you know, under, you know, the report was like they had offered him a 13 million a year deal in the off season and they kind of Dobbs' side kind of turned it down.
00:43:36
Speaker
I'm assuming they're offering him like eight to 10 cut. Like there's an offer on the table and stuff, but it's like you're, if you sign it, it's going to be the number we want you at kind of thing. just don't think,
00:43:47
Speaker
him and Watson can both be back next season. I just don't. I think that's one of the roster crunch points. And my whole point to bringing that up is like, that's from LaFleur's point of view, you've got to do whatever you can to get golden,
00:44:06
Speaker
established as that next guy as a like, this is your reliable security blanket guy as a receiver. And like, you know, we've seen it a couple times the past couple weeks where like, he's kind of looked for Dobbs a little bit more than he should have. And he's kind of, you know, like in situations where it's like that route was never going to be open. And he kind of just trusted Romeo to do something kind of thing. And Romeo's I love Romeo. He does a lot of good things, but he's not the kind of guy who's just going to magic wand the play out of thin air kind of thing. He is who he is. He's reliable, but he's not special kind of thing, that kind of thing.
00:44:41
Speaker
Golden has the chance to be special. He has the talent and the skills to be special. So you're reaching the midpoint of the season and it's like, OK, I get that you want to bring him along with guide rails on and stuff like that.
00:44:55
Speaker
It's time to start putting the guy. Maybe you only put one of them down, you know, like the bowling bumper rails. Maybe you only put one of them down. Thank you.
00:45:05
Speaker
Thank you. OK, be careful.
00:45:08
Speaker
So, The invasion of the kids. So, suffice it to say, agree with you. I would definitely have it in the stale too, where it's like, before, I've always preached that there's a level of patience, even if he had, like, broken the ground running. It was, even if Golden, to this point, had, like, an Emeka Ikbuka stacks with, like, 400 yards, it was still gonna have come in the role that he's playing for the Packers.
00:45:36
Speaker
It would have been like, he's going to catch all the
Offensive Line Critique
00:45:38
Speaker
digs. He's going to catch some posts. He's going to catch some corner routes. Maybe if he catches those two passes against the Redskins or if he doesn't step out of bounds against the Browns, he's got three touchdowns on his ledger and another 200 yards to his name kind of thing and stuff.
00:45:53
Speaker
But it doesn't change how LeFleur would be using him. You know mean? But that's the thing to me is, okay, that's got change now. Your offense and your team needs it to change. And it's time to figure out where this kid can take you.
00:46:09
Speaker
You're at that point. And it's time. It is time. And on top of that... if you believe what kenny albert and and jonathan velma were saying you know he was eating will johnson alive and it's like okay well you've got you know they've been talking about how will johnson has been amazing so far this year and you've got your guy eating him alive hit him get him get him the ball more often you know
00:46:41
Speaker
That's what you want out of somebody is to be able to beat their number one corner and that. So we've hit home on that enough so far. So what are you going to throw out there for your first stale?
00:46:55
Speaker
My stale is going to be just this O-line play. It was barely good enough today, They've got to so much better this week.
00:47:05
Speaker
It's going to be ugly. Like, we talked at Nauseam about how this is not a special front for the Cardinals. And like I said, there were so many times where Love was either having to move in the pocket way more than he should have.
00:47:18
Speaker
Or, you know, part of the problem with him not being able to hit Golden is, like, he's having to... get the ball out way sooner than he wants to. And some people are like, oh my God, he threw that one at Kraft's feed or he did this. And really the only one that was his fault is the one where he muffed the snap coming out of the kick return.
00:47:37
Speaker
But otherwise, it's like he had so many times where... Either he didn't have time or he had more time than he thought he did. And he was kind of like, you know what? I got to just take care of the ball, not make a stupid mistake and hit something underneath kind of thing and all.
00:47:52
Speaker
And that just can't be how it is going forward.
00:47:59
Speaker
Walker. hasn't been good this season. He's got to be a whole lot better. Tom is battling, but you can tell he's not himself. Like there were a couple of plays today, like last week where it's like the play got screwed because Zach Tom can't be Zach Tom right now.
00:48:17
Speaker
I think Elton has settled in because they're not just playing musical chairs on both sides of him. And then I do, you know, a lot of people are giving it. I think a lot of people are piggybacking on a guy who's going to come up in the moldy just to get on Goot.
00:48:31
Speaker
I don't think Banks has been nearly as bad as he was early in the season. I think he's settled in some and, you know, he's like, yes, it's not great to be paying him as much money as they're paying him, but...
00:48:45
Speaker
If he's giving you league average play at left guard, that's all you need from that spot. You just need a guy who's not going to screw everything up. Like, yes, you want him to grow into the role and, you know, get used to playing next to Elton this season and, you know, become like an ass kicking left side of the O-line that they can run behind at will and stuff.
00:49:06
Speaker
But I'm just glad that he's been out there for multiple games in a row. That's a big thing. The continuity is absolutely necessary. And then the Jordan Morgan of it all. Like...
00:49:17
Speaker
Calais Campbell handed him his lunch like I expected him to today. And... All I can say is, like... Jordan, be ready for immediate interior pressure against the Steelers.
00:49:31
Speaker
Josh, expect guys to be hitting you behind the line of scrimmage because if Calais Campbell gave him the business, Cam Hayward is going to give him every bit of the business next week in Pittsburgh.
00:49:45
Speaker
And I don't really have a solution because Sean Ryan has been such a negative this season that he hasn't shored up his pass protection.
00:49:56
Speaker
But on top of that, he is not creating movement in the run game to... you know offset that play enough like he's whiffing blocks as a run blocker so i i you know i i don't as much as people like well what do you want i don't know like that's the thing is i don't have an answer maybe canard maybe but and and at you know at first i was like i don't think he's gonna play right guard anytime soon because it is the whole like okay they traded for him the weekend before the season and it's like learn one position before we like really put the book to you kind of thing and stuff.
00:50:29
Speaker
You'd like to hope at this point that he's gotten a grasp of the playbook, but who knows at this point? And so it's kind of like,
00:50:37
Speaker
Does Belton start having to play right guard at some point this season? I don't think Monk, even though Monk was back, which is good for their overall roster counts, I don't think Monk is an option at right guard. I think he's a center only just because he's looked so rough at guard in the preseason.
00:50:54
Speaker
I know things are different with the starters and all that kind of stuff, but he's had some assignment issues as a guard. So yeah, this is one of those where it could get moldy fast if they don't, like, it could be moldy as soon as next Sunday night because, like I said, this should have been a front that Jordan, and at times he did have, like, the last completion to Golden, he's looking for someone in the end zone. His first two reads, I think, are end zone shots, and then you can see him step up in the pocket, drop his eyes, and then hit Golden on that over route that gained 17 and...
00:51:31
Speaker
and like you do that and then you have other plays where it's like, Jordan's like, I'm already having to get off my spot and move kind of thing. And,
00:51:42
Speaker
We joke all the time that he's an ethical hooper and he has the highest or second highest average depth of target in the league and stuff. But today everything was short for the most part because he's like, shit, there's not enough time for me today and stuff. So this O-line has got to get their shit figured out.
00:51:59
Speaker
Go sign Bill Callahan to be a coach. I'm serious. They've got to get this thing figured out because Jacobs is already dinged up. You can't get Jordan hit and stuff.
00:52:10
Speaker
And yeah, you've got to get this thing figured out. And it has to be... We had hopes that this would be a plus plus unit for the team. They've got to just be league average. They're not league average right
Team Performance Evaluation
00:52:21
Speaker
now.
00:52:21
Speaker
They have been a sore disappointment and they've got to get it figured out if this team's going to have the shot to do anything special this season. And I've got to stick up for Rashid a little bit just because with Tom battling with his oblique, we do know Rashid is battling with his quad too.
00:52:39
Speaker
So, you know, I think we said that he was off the injury report this week, but you got to figure that's still kind of – he's still not back – in play mode yet because of it.
00:52:56
Speaker
So you got to give him a little bit. But yeah, overall, this offensive line hasn't been holding. But I also have to say that a little bit of it could be scheme and a little bit of it could be Jordan just because of how he goes through his progressions.
00:53:27
Speaker
not good, but it's not horrible yet. Yeah. Like I said, this, this is staying in the stale for now. It could be boldy as soon as next week. Cause it's truly going to be the difference of do they have success against Pittsburgh or are they getting smoked off the field on Sunday night football? So, gotta figure it out. Like you, you are, you use your bye week. You only have the mini bye after Thanksgiving. Detroit is pissed off and catching up.
00:53:56
Speaker
You've got to get it figured out. You don't have time anymore. This unit has to start pulling its weight better.
00:54:04
Speaker
Stale-wise, I think that's pretty much all I've got. The rest of it can pretty much fit in a moldy. Yeah, the only other stale thing that I can come up with is something that I thought up, and I did see Bukowski tweet about it during the game, is that this offense is a little bit too much swing for the fences than I like kind of thing. And I kind of alluded it to this point. I'm going to touch a little bit on that with the moldy. So I think we can drop it with moldy. We'll drop it with the moldy then. Good talk.
00:54:31
Speaker
It's a moldy cheese. So this offense over completely from head coach all the way down to the players has become moldy.
00:54:45
Speaker
We kind of were talking about it on the post game show where for some reason, there is some kind of disconnect where the sequencing is even off.
00:54:55
Speaker
So you go back to the one fourth, uh, I can't remember what part of the game it was, but they were at like third and two, and they hand off the ball, and it doesn't go anywhere. And then so they go for it on fourth and two, and that's the deep throw to Romeo Dobbs that just missed Romeo.
00:55:14
Speaker
Well, why the hell was the deep pass not the third and two? Why did you do that for fourth and two? Fourth and two, you're supposed to at least try to get your two yards, not a home run. you know just sequences like that were driving me mad with things because or like Brian pointed out you know it's kind of the opposite of the Iowa thing where Iowa is run run run pass they were doing pass pass pass run and it just it the whole sequencing was off so was like
00:55:48
Speaker
It's something that we've talked about with LeFleur for the longest time, where as soon as the offense gets punched in the mouth, he, like, loses all rhyme and reason for things. He's got to immediately go off script for stuff.
00:56:03
Speaker
And that's where I say that the whole Matthew Golden thing, they stopped scheming plans for Matthew Golden. They wanted to go to, you know, somebody that Jordan was going to be comfortable with and Kraft or Romeo.
00:56:16
Speaker
You know, you said Wicks went out so he couldn't target Wicks. We didn't see anything to Malik Heath. We didn't see, you know, anything to Musgrave. We didn't, what, we saw maybe one thing to John Fitzpatrick.
00:56:30
Speaker
And so it just... this offense, similar to the defense in a way, is as soon as they get punched, it's like they give up on things.
00:56:42
Speaker
And then it's a rush. And think Jordan being the quarterback really calms LaFleur down as much as it can because Love just has that attitude that like, all right, give me the next play. I'm going to try and make it like that's what's written his head.
00:57:01
Speaker
That's sort of the, you know, that's been my joke for this week. You know, this coming week is like, I want to, I don't know if we're going to be able to do it, but I really hope we get to put that pouty face on Rodgers' face. We get to give Rodgers that pouty face that I absolutely hated for his whole career in Green Bay.
00:57:20
Speaker
Jordan makes more mistakes. He makes more mind-breaking mistakes than Rodgers ever did. But there is something to where he just gives you that same monotone look no matter what. He could be getting his ass absolutely broken by a defense. And yes, I'm not going to correct myself from saying that. But he could be getting pummeled for a whole game.
Conclusion and Strategic Reflections
00:57:42
Speaker
And he's going to go back to the huddle and just be like, all right, guys, here's the play. I know he's more boisterous and more like you can get a better rise. But that's how it's presented to you on the broadcast. It's like from here to here, his expression doesn't change very much in the midst of the game. Except did you see on that one play where he was trying to get Musgrave and Golden to switch?
00:58:04
Speaker
He was heated. He went over there yelling at them to move. You couldn't hear him, but you can literally see his body motions in that.
00:58:16
Speaker
Whoa. And you know what? And I love to see that, you know, pun intended and not intended. Those are the things that you want to see from him as he's like, we want him, you know, we're saying Packers fans are saying he is ascending. He's taking his game to the next level, all that kind of stuff.
00:58:31
Speaker
Those are the kind of moments that he's got to have. obviously, I don't want him being like that all the time, but... you need someone, especially with how young this team is. I know he's relatively young as a starting quarterback, especially when you count his years as a starter.
00:58:47
Speaker
He's young as well, but it's that whole, you know, it's that scene from the replacements where they get the penalties because they're all fighting in the huddle and then Shane Falco has to go back in and he's like, I'm the quarterback. I'm the only one who talks in the huddle.
00:59:01
Speaker
Like all of you need to shut up and listen to me kind of thing. And You know, each guy is going to do it their own way and stuff, but I am glad that we're seeing, you know, like I said, he can't be that guy every play, but when someone has to be the adult in the room, I do like seeing that Jordan is like, okay, like I am, it's my, like whether he's comfortable or not being that guy, I appreciate that he has the presence to be like,
00:59:25
Speaker
It's me. It's the whole who's supposed to do something. I appreciate that he's reached the point where like, oh, yeah, that's my job. It is part of what he's getting paid to do is to be the adult in the room and stuff. I would pay anything right now for him to have been mic'd up at that moment because I just would love to have heard what he was yelling at those guys because he not happy.
00:59:50
Speaker
And you know that one lineman, probably Elton, after last week's mic'd up goes, damn, Pookie. But that was crazy. But.
01:00:01
Speaker
yeah so i don't know what more we can throw in on this one but it's i think the reason why now it's getting into the moldy is because we're getting it week in and week out and nothing is changing and and my point that i had in the still that'll piggyback off of this like you said where it's like what is it a sequencing thing is it leflore like throwing his hands in the air when his initial stuff doesn't work kind of thing you know like i I had a little bit of worry of this early in the season where everyone's yeah, everything is over 10 yards depth of target, all that kind of, you everyone's showing the spray chart and it's ethical footballing and stuff.
01:00:39
Speaker
It's great, but I also had like bad memories of how 2011 went off the rails where it's like, cool, like the big plays are awesome and it's great when you're hitting them, but like when those get inevitably taken away at some point,
01:00:55
Speaker
Do you have the adjustments available? And it's great to see them run four verts and get, you know, basketball on grass and get all five skill position players out on a route and stuff.
01:01:06
Speaker
But like I said, the one that came to my head and Bukowski tweeted it too, is it's like, it's a little disconcerting that Love's options on some of these routes are like, drop back.
01:01:18
Speaker
try to find someone 12 yards or more down the field and then it's like uh do i run or do i throw it over someone's head out of bounds kind of thing and that isn't a good thing to see out of this offense like you and like i said the the i made the joke on twitter that their check down routes are the guys chipping defensive ends like one of the check down routes he had was was Kraft after he chipped the end. And, you know, that was the big third and seven conversion and stuff.
01:01:48
Speaker
But I don't like that. You know, obviously everyone's fine with it when it works and stuff, but I don't like that. You know, you had the one third down play where, love gets pushed out of the pocket to his right. And he ends having to throw the ball away.
01:02:02
Speaker
But, where you have all five guys in the route but only three of them are running a real pass play and the other two guys are setting up for that dumb tight end lead blocked for the running back thing and it's like well That's cool when a drive is rolling and you call it on like second down around midfield. But when it's a third down situation, I hate taking two of your guys off the board because Jordan's not throwing that if two guys are sitting on that route.
01:02:31
Speaker
And that's what happened there is he's like, looks over there and he's like, shit, like I don't have a numbers situation there. So I can't throw that route. And then it's like, nobody's getting open because they're all running away from me and I'm getting pushed. Everyone's running to the left and I'm getting pushed to my right.
01:02:47
Speaker
And it's like, well, there's gotta be a little, you know, there's not going to be a perfect play for every situation and all that kind stuff. But Jordan has always showed a willingness to come off deep routes, come to check downs. He's getting better at doing it more quickly.
01:03:01
Speaker
But I mean, part of the play he got the shit lit up out of him is because there's no check down route. And he's like, well, I guess I got to run this thing. And for everyone out there who was getting on him for not making the team first play and not sacrificing his body.
01:03:16
Speaker
Do you still feel that way after today with Buddha Baker lit him up like a Christmas tree? Like, And almost did again. Yeah. Or that was Mack Wilson like two plays later on the 12-yard run.
01:03:27
Speaker
So like everyone who's like, oh my god, it's so easy. We saw him run over Trey Amos, blah, blah, blah. No, Trey Amos didn't know he was coming on that play. The second down play last week, the one against the Browns that everyone's like, oh my God, he's done this again.
01:03:42
Speaker
There's two linebackers staring him dead in the face that are ready to light his ass. That are like, he's a runner. We're going to put the hurt on him kind of thing. Same thing for that second down play late in the Bengals game.
01:03:55
Speaker
Those four defenders are all staring him right in the face. And Jordan, you know, you can say like, like I said, the only correction would made is he should have dove because you get the yards on.
01:04:05
Speaker
The rule book does say they're supposed to take it back to where the dive starts, but they almost never call it that way. They almost always reward you for the full dive kind of thing and stuff. Like that was my only critique of that one. But for everyone was like, oh, he doesn't want it enough. He doesn't care enough. Like, oh, you dude, like he almost got knocked the fuck out.
01:04:25
Speaker
Just to like, and I don't think he meant to prove it to anyone, but it's like, just for all of you who are like, it's so easy, it's so crystal clear. No. Like, if he slides, like he's making the smart play, like he's not doing it on fourth down short of the sticks or anything like that.
01:04:41
Speaker
Like, that one in my head, I was just like, do you see it? Like, do you ding dong see it? Like, do you like seeing your $50 million quarterback get his ass lit up? Like, no.
01:04:52
Speaker
yeah. put that one on the wall. Everyone just needs to shut up in terms of where Jordan decides to slide and call a play dead to rights. So Yeah, but I agree with you. Like, you can tell there's... Like you said, both our points tie into... This offense is just muddied off in the water enough to where you're like, it's not killing them yet, but it can't continue to be a problem as soon as this week, or it can't be a thing that's popping up a whole game a month from now.
01:05:23
Speaker
Like I said, we're at the point where they're still in that second quarter of the season where it's like, you just got to get wins. You just got to... Like we both said, this is a part of the season where in 2023 and 2024, the season has kind of gotten away from them early where it's like division chances have gone out the window because you start off, you know, two in one or whatever, but then you don't win another game for like two months kind of thing.
01:05:47
Speaker
Or last year, it's like you start off four and two, but then you're like 500 in the next couple weeks and stuff. It's like, like, I'm at least happy that the youngest team in the NFL, when the deck is against them, is like, we don't have it today, but you know what? We're going to dig deep and we're going to figure this shit out and win a game at least kind of thing.
01:06:09
Speaker
So that's something they weren't doing the previous years. But this is definitely in the moldy where it's like, Come on, LaFleur. You see exactly what's happening out there.
01:06:20
Speaker
You know your O-line isn't playing very well. You got to fix that. But don't handicap your quarterback with routes that are going to get him dead kind of thing. So I agree with you.
01:06:31
Speaker
What else you got in Moldy? Well, I'm just going to tack on this one last thing because this is where my conspiracy theory is starting to make a little bit more sense where LaFleur only thinks you can score so many points in a season.
01:06:44
Speaker
Week 1, 27 points. Week 2, 27 points. Week 3, 10 points. Week 4, 20 points. Bengals, 27 points.
01:06:56
Speaker
Cardinals, 27 points. It's like he only thinks he has enough points to last him through the season that he can't. So it's got to be this Dallas game has really pissed him off because he scored more points than he wanted to score in a game.
01:07:11
Speaker
So... The fact that their four wins are all when they score 27 points one of the stupid funny stats of the NFL season for the Packers. It is one of those you just kind of shake your head and be like, well, I guess they hope they win. They score 27 points like 15 more times this season. But I know it's like, what the hell?
01:07:31
Speaker
Like, can you make it a little more comfortable? Honestly, that should go in the moldy part too. So I have...
01:07:40
Speaker
I have two more that I can, well, technically three more that I can think of. I have, so I'm going to let you have a choice. I can either go with one that we've been ragging on for several weeks, one that is more of a serious one that we've been ragging on for a couple weeks, or I can go with the goofy one.
01:08:03
Speaker
Go with the serious one. Okay, so the serious one that we've been kind of ragging on in the last couple weeks has been the secondary.
01:08:15
Speaker
It's been consistent. You mentioned it earlier that even Halfley was getting pissed off with his team out there. it's the soft zone. It's this, these guys are the one Trey McBride touchdown where they were in zone coverage.
01:08:32
Speaker
Cooper gives up and Nixon is coming across the end zone and neither one of them are able to get there to make the play on, on McBride, or at least the ball.
01:08:43
Speaker
Evan Williams struggled with his one pass interference because quote unquote, he didn't look back at the ball. You get to where your front seven has got you where now it's third and 23 and you're giving up 40 yards or you've got them down third and long to go and they're able to gain double the yardage they need out it.
01:09:12
Speaker
This is where, like we talked about before, like we've talked about all season. I've talked about it in the post game. I understand getting rid of Jair because of money, because injuries, because of not being able to see the field.
01:09:31
Speaker
He's not doing great in Baltimore, whatever, but you did nothing to replace that spot. You hoped your big signing and Nate Hobbs was going to do something.
01:09:41
Speaker
You hoped that Keyshawn Nixon was going to step up. You hoped Carrington Valentine was going to do something. Then what?
01:09:53
Speaker
Micah Robinson you took in the seventh round. You can't blame much on him because he's a kid not really experienced. You didn't keep Kalen King. That was on you, whatever.
01:10:07
Speaker
Corey Ballantyne's not the answer. You can maybe do a vet deal on Asante Samuel Jr. just to see what he's got. But at this point in the season, nobody's even put him on the practice squad. So you've got to question what he's actually got to give.
01:10:27
Speaker
And you did nothing to help with a spot that you knew was going to be weak going into the season. So it is definitely not stale anymore. It is definitely moldy.
01:10:42
Speaker
The secondary, don't know if you can blame the safeties as much because they're playing their hearts out, but you got to do something.
01:10:54
Speaker
Do you play Bullard as a corner? Do you play Evan Williams as a corner and hope that they can do better than what's been going on? I don't know.
01:11:05
Speaker
Who was it that put this out a couple weeks ago? Was it Philippe? That, you know, they had plus grading when they're in this is all in limited view, but they had like plus grading when it comes to press man corner, but they had major negative grading when it comes to soft zone corner or soft zone coverage.
01:11:28
Speaker
Do you try to go with your man coverage and see if that does any better for you? I don't know. You saw it. You mentioned it. I saw it. I talked about it. Halfway's getting pissed off.
01:11:39
Speaker
I said it earlier. I'm Brian Gutekunst, I do everything in the world to make sure every day this week I'm bringing in corner after corner to work them out to see if that can do. Hope you can get a Resul Douglas type of pickup off of somebody's practice squad.
01:11:58
Speaker
Who knows, maybe it is an Asante Samuel Jr., but again, we're going into week eight. Nobody's even bothered to put him on a practice squad, so you've got to wonder if he's even healthier, able to come out and play.
01:12:11
Speaker
So, yeah, that's a moldy. Yeah. I mean, it's been a disaster for Hobbs. You know, he looked okay coming back against the commanders, wasn't really targeted much against Cleveland. And then from that Dallas game on, it's been bad for him. And like...
01:12:31
Speaker
You know, he gets back-shouldered really bad against Marvin Harrison Jr. Like, he wasn't even there on that play. That was the one that they cut to Halfley just smashing the table in the press box because he's like, okay, like, I'm sure in some regards it's those corners in the room that are like, coach, let us play some more man and... It's like he calls tighter man coverage and they forget how to find the ball in the air kind of thing and stuff.
01:12:56
Speaker
And then, you know, the 40-yard reception before halftime, it's partly on half-lead because I don't like that play call there. I don't like that you're in a third and long and you're calling cover two where it's like you're inviting a deep shot against you. Yeah.
01:13:12
Speaker
But also, there is no reason for Keyshawn Nixon to be dropping that route up the sideline as easily as he does. That's just piss-poor situational awareness, not understanding what's happening behind you, not understanding game situation. It's like, dude, you've got to carry that route. And then on the other end of it, it's like, that's the second time in three games that Evan Williams has been too unathletic to get over the top of a deep shot.
01:13:39
Speaker
And...
01:13:41
Speaker
that's the one part that I can pick on the safeties is it's like, I think overall he's been okay. And X has obviously been pretty good, but it's like, that's a couple times this season where we've seen Evan Williams be unable to get over the top of a deep route from cover to shell.
01:13:57
Speaker
And I know there was a route holding middle of the field, but that throw is not on a line. It's kind of a slight floater into that hole and he just can't get there. And it's not even a matter of the Dallas one where he kind of can't pick if he wants to catch it or hit the guy.
01:14:11
Speaker
It's like he can't get there and he's jumping with one hand to be like, oh my God, maybe I'll just get it kind of thing. But also, Keyshawn should not be standing there looking at him trying make that...
01:14:24
Speaker
Like I said, it's not quitting on the play like the one in Dallas where he just doesn't follow the receiver when he's clearly in man. But it's, again, complete lack of football IQ where it's like a two-yard swing route cannot hurt you.
01:14:40
Speaker
Like, you've got to go push up the deep cover guy, the deep route. And if someone catches a ball in the flat, you've got count that your two athletic linebackers are going to rally and make a tackle there.
01:14:52
Speaker
Like, don't – and I think based on the dots that Domovsky showed, there is no route that really should have caught – Keyshawn and Hobbs are – you know, Darren – or not Darren – what's it called? Rod Woodson used to have this phrase. He talked about not finding work in coverage and just dead coverage where you're just covering grass kind of thing. And it's Hobbes and Nixon too many times. They either are fine playing it like it's the whiteboard it's like, well, I'm supposed to drop to this depth and guess this is it kind of thing.
01:15:27
Speaker
This is more of a Hobbes one. And then Nixon has a really poor... clicker in terms of figuring out what route is the more important one given game situation the touchdown is more of like a okay halfley you gotta live and die with some man coverage in the red zone because the cardinals call that play because they're like you're going to run zone in the red zone and we're gonna take advance so they send you know nixon could be maybe a step earlier to drop coverage on the initial route because he carries that post over but again
01:16:03
Speaker
like you said, Edge Cooper just doesn't have the processing power to know when he's got stick with a route or when he's got to... Because there's no threatening route. The only thing that happens is Brissette kind of half-breaks the pocket and starts to take a couple steps in his direction.
01:16:21
Speaker
But it's like... No, you've got to carry, like, there's two guys, definitely one guy, maybe two on the whiteboard who are like, do not lose these two guys.
01:16:32
Speaker
And twice in the red zone, the Packers are like, Trey McBride, that's okay. Someone will get him kind of thing. It's like, no. Like, if anything, someone else should be getting open because two guys are like, oh, my God, Trey McBride. Like,
01:16:46
Speaker
I can live with that outcome more than the Trey McBride is wide fucking open with no resistance in the red zone twice. That, know, I don't, it's hard to say where the coaching ends and the play, but at some point the guys on the field have to be able to think for their own goddamn selves.
01:17:04
Speaker
And there were too many times in this game where they just totally didn't have it. And like you said, In terms of answers on roster, I don't know what you do.
01:17:16
Speaker
I do think one of them is you just make Valentine a legitimate threat to get playing time out there. Like he's going to get his chances and stuff. Outside of that, it's like, do you call up Michael Robinson? Do you sign him to the active roster? He's on the active roster.
01:17:31
Speaker
Didn't they sign him? uh they they've moved him around so many times can't even remember what his status is i'm pretty sure they brought him up to the active roster after they ir'd somebody okay wait let's see no he's still on the practice squad oh yeah i thought they brought him that was one no i think they were just elevating him a bunch of times so So, like, I think he has one more game day elevation.
01:17:57
Speaker
Use it and let him play defense. Like you said, I don't know I know they think that Evan is the better coverage safety, but... I think you got to go back and see what Bullard can give you back shit, give Oladapo some snaps back there because like I said, it hasn't cost them, cost them, but that's two times where Evan hasn't been able to get over the top of routes from deep coverage.
01:18:19
Speaker
And as great as he is, McKinney cannot play both sides of the field at the same time. Like that's just humanly impossible. What else?
Roster Construction and Player Acquisitions
01:18:30
Speaker
And then, yeah, like, I, To all the people who said like, Halfley's taking too long. And even I said like, I think he's taking maybe a step too long to adjust.
01:18:42
Speaker
Today proved like he's thrown the kitchen sink and the kitchen sink has bounced off and broken on the floor. Like it's not happening. And then it becomes, it's a roster construction thing.
01:18:54
Speaker
Not that he's great or really setting the world on fire, but they had two shots at Trey Amos. And I can't really fight them over either of the picks they made because they needed both guys in Golden and Anthony Belton.
01:19:10
Speaker
But at the same time, like you said, they just did not do enough at quarterback. Yeah. It's, excuse me, like they just did not do enough.
01:19:22
Speaker
You, you know, Jair has proven that he's not that guy anymore. Like we've seen, like Baltimore isn't even activating him on game days, but you cut Jair, you signed Nate Hobbs, you knew you still needed bodies.
01:19:36
Speaker
And all you did outside of that is draft Micah Robinson in the sixth round. Just absolutely not enough. So as much as I've been like, this guy's a free agent because this and that and blah.
01:19:47
Speaker
And it's like, well... At this point, you've got to just almost sign guys to see if there's anything there because you kind of know what you got in the room, and I don't think it's good enough.
01:20:00
Speaker
So you've just got to do whatever, but I do think part of it is giving Valentine a good shape. I know some people like, oh, but he wasn't. Okay, none of the corners were good against Dallas, so let's just throw that one out. Let's just make that the mulligan for everyone it needs to be.
01:20:16
Speaker
Outside of that, he's played some solid ball for them this season. make that a real competition between him and one of the starting corners. And then, yeah, you know what? Just start working out every Dick, Joe, and Larry who's on the free agent market and see if you get another Razul from 2021. Like, you're at that point. Like, you can't, you know, it's the, what is it, the Thomas Jefferson quote? The only thing that allows evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
01:20:44
Speaker
Groot you got to do something at this point and I don't know that there are many moves to make at this point but you got to do something so like Leave no stone unturned, you know all those adages, but it's time for good to like try and make something happen there Yeah, and I've been looking up and down this rot of this list and I mean there's guys here, but Really? How much do they have left in the tank? You got James Bradbury Kendall Fuller, Stephon Gilmore,
01:21:18
Speaker
Corey Ballantyne still out there, Jordan Poyer. But like I said, how much do they really have left in the tank? Now, this is according to Sport Track or Spot Track or whatever you want call it.
01:21:33
Speaker
So I mean, these could be wrong, but I'd be bringing Gilmore in for a workout right now. Like he played in a much more like he was good for the Vikings last season. And like you said, you're never going to find out unless you try kind of thing. And the worst thing you can do at this point is not try because You can't have this continue to be a festering issue for this team that has the aspirations it does in a league where no one is excellent. Like nobody is excellent. I know.
01:22:01
Speaker
I know everyone's like, oh, the Chiefs are bouncing back, but who have they really played over the past couple few weeks? I know they beat the Lions, but that's at home and they are still in the territory of if the vibes get shaken up one more time, do they fight
Officiating Decisions and Game Impact
01:22:16
Speaker
through it again? You know, like they're in that territory, but As far as the Packers go, you've got Gudekundz, you've got to just try something different at this point.
01:22:25
Speaker
So what do you got? Do you got any more Moldies? My other Moldy is
01:22:32
Speaker
just the special teams. Like, Haversick has saved them from being, like, disaster kind thing. But it's like,
01:22:43
Speaker
Just the penalties, I mean. Just the poorly timed penalties. And I get that special teams penalties are going to happen, but it just always seems like...
01:22:51
Speaker
Like you get the dumb holding call on a return or you get the face mask after like, and that's the thing is it's like, it's not like you even stopped them for like, you didn't even like do a good job, like keeping them on their side of the field.
01:23:04
Speaker
You gave up like a 40 yard return. And then on top of it, you give them 15 yards of penalty yardage. So it's like, It's like you said, it's in that like it's a problem. It's still a big problem. So I'm just going to continue to harp on it.
01:23:20
Speaker
I'll let you take the driver's I know you said you had a couple more. What were your other two? The other like one we've been harping on and the other fun one. All right. So the one that we've been harping is the officiating.
01:23:32
Speaker
I said this throughout the game that it's awful on socials. It's awful funny that Micah Parsons comes out and one his, they're not really press conferences, but they're the media availability things where he criticized the officiating about the different no calls and calls, not even just on him. He just was talking about on defense in general.
01:23:59
Speaker
where they'll call offsides on defense, but they won't do it on offense. They won't call this on offense, but they do on defense and stuff like that.
01:24:09
Speaker
And then all of a sudden, the Packers go and start getting these weird-ass calls all damn game. And this is just a couple of days after he made those comments.
01:24:22
Speaker
And, yeah, there were a couple of them that were – I can understand the hip drop penalty on Micah because that's been a point of emphasis for them.
01:24:33
Speaker
There was the offside. Yeah, that was obvious because you watched him jump offside. There was – what's the other one that was really obvious that – I don't know. There was another one that was really obvious.
01:24:50
Speaker
But then you had the Evan Williams OPI. that was kind of a ticky tacky OPI. You had a couple of holding penalties that were kind of ticky tacky over holding penalties.
01:25:04
Speaker
You had a still a ton of no call holding penalties on the Packers front seven.
Tackling Rules and Safety Debate
01:25:11
Speaker
It's kind of, I looked this up on the post game.
01:25:16
Speaker
It was like the Packers had, what was it? Let me look here just second. for penalties, Cardinals were called six penalties for 55 yards. The Packers were 10 penalties for 94 yards.
01:25:34
Speaker
That's a little bit slanted my mind, and especially when there were penalties that should have been called against the Cardinals that weren't called.
01:25:44
Speaker
So this is continuously being – there were a couple of them that Micah should have had five-sack game easily. There's one that comes to mind where Micah breaks free and the right tackle grabs him by the hand and he can't go anywhere.
01:26:01
Speaker
You can literally see on the game film, he's got his one hand free trying to grab Brissette, but he can't use the other one because the offensive lineman grabbed his other hand.
01:26:13
Speaker
And it was right in front of referees. So this is probably going to stay in the moldy for a very long time. Nothing's ever going to be done about it unless... a miracle happens.
01:26:24
Speaker
And, you know, this is where you kind of wish you could have a situation like the longest yard where you start targeting referees with fastballs and maybe they'll change their mind on things.
01:26:35
Speaker
But, yeah. So, that's one of them don't if you want to make comments on that or not no like the one that did it for me is when the the play that quay got us i'm pretty sure he got a stinger on but like he he's getting crunched in the middle of the pile because why because he's getting bear hugged by the running back so it's like you guys have got to be better than that and stuff and then My only issue with the hip drop, I understand that you're trying to eliminate certain injury potential and stuff like that.
01:27:10
Speaker
The part I do not understand that is so like, For me, the hip drop tackle falls in the same bucket as like the, what is it called? What's the one?
01:27:20
Speaker
What do they call it when the shoulder pad pull one? horse collar. Horse collar. So it's like those are basically the same play in terms of why it's dangerous and stuff.
01:27:31
Speaker
It's really dumb to me that you can horse collar the quarterback in the pocket But the hip drop tackle is illegal on quarterbacks. Because to me, the reason those two plays come up... Well, okay.
01:27:43
Speaker
I guess the one reason that the horse collar comes up is like you're running by the quarterback and just happen to reach out and grab the guy's shoulder pads kind But the reason that... The bigger reason those two things happen in the pocket is because quarterbacks try to not get sacked.
01:28:00
Speaker
And it's like, I don't think defenders should be penalized because quarterbacks want to be, know, it's the Shiba Inu meme with the big, strong, burly Shiba Inu. Like, they try to do that. But then, like, when anything out of the ordinary happens, it's the, like, sad Shiba that's like, oh, no, like, wear my flag kind of thing stuff.
01:28:18
Speaker
And I do think that's a dumb double standard because it's like, It's kind of like my whole thing with intentional grounding. It's like, OK, cool. You don't want to get hit. Just take a knee. There's a simple solution to that. You don't want it. Just take a knee. It's fine.
01:28:33
Speaker
We can all be adults. The Strahan the sack record. Just do that. Yeah, seriously. So just do that. But I agree. It's a problem. And then. But my big thing with it is also with the hip drop. I mean, like I said, I know that's a point emphasis. So that whatever it is.
01:28:50
Speaker
He wasn't intentionally going for a hip drop, but he got hit in the back by one of the offensive linemen. Right. But beyond that, then you watch the rest of the game and the Cardinals' defensive players were tackling our playmakers by wrapping their arms around their neck.
01:29:11
Speaker
Come on. That's, like, not a safe way of tackling somebody. So it's whatever. I don't know. Like I said, nothing's ever going to happen unless a miracle pops up or somehow I do get a lamp with a genie that's going to give me three wishes or whatever.
Call for Consistent Performance
01:29:30
Speaker
But I don't know. My last one is kind of a goofy one, but in a way it kind of makes sense.
01:29:41
Speaker
And that's, even though I just put him in the fresh take, it's Haversick. Because his success has pretty much guaranteed Rich Bisacci is probably going to stay around for another year. And by that, I mean, like Mike and I were talking about earlier, this Haversick has not been this type of kicker before, but now he's come in and has been doing above what he's, what he has in his past.
01:30:12
Speaker
So now everything's going to look like, Oh, Rich Bisacci is a genius. He's going to, you know, he's a, he's a kicker whisperer and all that stuff. So, This basically saves Rich Passaccia from any kind of ill fates at the end of the season.
01:30:27
Speaker
That's a bummer. I hate thinking about it that way. You've made me very sad.
01:30:35
Speaker
Well, I got to thinking about it as we were talking about fresh takes and then you mentioned something about visace is like son of a bitch that guy's gonna be on the team for another year because of what haversick has been doing
01:30:50
Speaker
it's the jesse from what's it called uh what's it from uh breaking bad get get it keep getting away with this oh no Yeah, but that's about all I got. I mean, we could go on forever on goods and bads and nitpicking and all that stuff.
01:31:09
Speaker
But in the end, it was a win. It wasn't a great win. It was just a win. And Matt LaFleur needs somebody to poke him with the cattle prod and say, you can actually score more than 27 points in a game and not risk anything.
01:31:27
Speaker
At the end of the day, again comes down to they're getting wins and I okay with that, but we can't be having these same talking points every single week. Like there has to be inflection point where,
01:31:40
Speaker
they've got start getting better and you need to see improvement from these guys up and down the roster. So it's just got to happen. Like it's just absolutely got to happen where you need, they've got start playing better football. And I do think they can. And yes, I know they have problems at corner and there's issues and all that kind stuff, but There's better play to be had out there and they've got to start doing it like that. That's the that's the the key for me is like they can do it like we've seen these guys come out guns blazing and
01:32:11
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it's time for them to make that, to flip that switch and like make it happen and stuff. And, you know, there's some underlying issues that are the same thing over
Community Engagement and Fan Participation
01:32:19
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and over. But overall, I do think that there, it's like, it's the whole leaky wall thing where they're fixing one thing, they're showing up certain things and other things are kind of like coming out as bigger issues. So like, if we can just get some improvement across the board kind of thing i think we'll see a cleaner game from the team so like that's what that's what i'm crossing my fingers for but yeah other than that i think we're good
01:32:46
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Packers moved to four one and one. They make sure that they will definitely be ahead of at the head of the NFC North for another week. And they set up a big game on Sunday Night Football next week that we'll go into on more detail with our opponent preview show. But they face off against the Pittsburgh Steelers and Aaron Rodgers. So big game, big test on the road for the Packers, trying to get over 500 as a road team and stay atop the NFC North and NFC Conference standing. So for that, for Iojo, I might. Go Pack Go and aloha.