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Episode 136 - ADHD & Misokinesia: when other people’s fidgeting makes you lose your mind
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Martin and Paul—ex-mayors of ADHDville—are hanging out in the king’s agitated head again. And this week? Things get visual.
We talked about sound last time (misophonia, anyone?). Now we’re diving into misokinesia—the hatred of movement. Sounds fancy. It’s not. It’s that moment when someone’s leg is bouncing in your peripheral vision, and your brain just goes: stop it, stop it, STOP IT.
From finger-tapping to gum-chewing to the pure chaos of Comic Sans (yes, really), the boys unpack why repetitive movements can trigger distraction, irritation, and—for some—full internal rage.
Plus:
- The science bit (mirror neurons, we see you)
- Paul finally remembers one that drives him mad
- Martin tries to bond with a librarian… and fails
- Seth tries mushroom coffee and regrets everything
And of course—the quiz, the tractor, and a very strong opinion on Papyrus.
If you’ve ever wanted to yeet someone across the room just for chewing with their mouth open… this one’s for you.
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts' Background
00:00:00
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ah back in the room bucke the roommate we are hello and hello ah right so let's go to a place where the destructions are landmarks and the detours on the main road welcome to a steveville
00:00:31
Speaker
And we're um'm glad you're here, joining us. Joining us? Yeah. Hello. At this point, going to tell you my name, just so you know who we are.
00:00:43
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Do it. Do it. I'm Paul Thompson, with a P. And I was diagnosed with the combined ADH and the D again dragging towards kicking and screaming three years ago.
00:00:53
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Hello, Martin West, with no P's, except in my middle name, which is also Paul, weirdly. Weirdly. So Paul only made it to my middle name. It wasn't, it didn't. Like a sandwich.
00:01:08
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Yes. Like a sandwich.
00:01:12
Speaker
Right. the between Which is also a P. ah Between two very white names. That's true. Although, you know what the thing is, is that is that Martin in the UK is a very white name, right? it's It's usually like, you know, just a... But...
00:01:33
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In the States, it has definitely more of a has has more of a black vibe with like with like Martin Luther King. Right. So you get quite a lot of... Okay. um Oh, that's true.
00:01:49
Speaker
Yeah. What about West? How popular is West as a surname? Because I know Thompson is like the fifth most common Christian um surname in America is the fifth most common.
00:02:03
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ah't I don't meet many Wests. They kind of come up once in a while. Right. Here and there. A little, wee smattering of us. Okay.
00:02:15
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But anyway, what the hell am I talking about? ah Yes. I am Martin Poole West and I was officially diagnosed with the combined ADHD poopoo platter in 2013 and self-diagnosed autistic. And us two being the mayors of ADHDville. Hello. We are hanging out in the king's agitated head.
00:02:36
Speaker
Yes. um Having a drink, sitting in the back.
What is Misokinesia?
00:02:39
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And we're going to be talking this week about, ah it's my topic, it's misokinesia,
00:02:48
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um which we will get into, but of thought it was it it was an interesting topic. Yeah, I assume it's not like the phobia towards Japanese soup.
00:03:05
Speaker
Japanese soy-based soup. Yeah, misokinesia. Right, which is like sort of which is like miso soup moving which which which I thought maybe, you know, in like in like a Yo Sushi restaurant. don't know if you've ever been to a Yo Sushi restaurant. but all Years ago. I went to the first one.
00:03:30
Speaker
Yes, I did as well, right? So you so there's this like little... track, this this little moving conveyor belt. Yeah. And you have like ah you have like sushi goes on it and it goes well and then yeah then you can just pick off whatever you want.
00:03:47
Speaker
And it includes miso soup. So that would be yeah miso, kinesia, moving soup. um It was a very clever thing. Now you can go, I think it's still there, in Heathrow you can have Yo Hotels as well.
00:04:02
Speaker
That's right. um But misokinesia is actually two parts. Miso, misos, which is Greek for hatred and hate. right And kinesis, which is a Greek for motion and movement. So it's the hatred of motion. It's like the Greek god of bowel movements.
00:04:30
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Yeah.
00:04:33
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Yes, yes. okay There is a Greek god for not liking to poo. I think that's that's that's where you're heading with that one. Yeah. um All right, well, let's ah jump in the tractor. A dear moving kinetic tractor.
00:04:52
Speaker
And we're going, I believe we're going to the library, Martin? Yeah, because we might learn something. I think. Well, yeah. i'm with And we haven't actually been there for a while. a while.
00:05:05
Speaker
So I think, you know what, think that's a good call. It is a good call. I always like the smell of libraries.
00:05:17
Speaker
Mmm. Which smell was the discussion from... we' done we should do a yeah so We've done smells, haven't we? ADHD and smelling.
00:05:28
Speaker
Smells. Maybe. be don't remember. This is epi episode three. Last week, we did so we did sound. yeah This week, we're doing visual.
00:05:40
Speaker
Yeah. So, yeah, libraries have a visual element to them, you know fairly consistent visual aspect to them. It's quite you know predictable in the library visually.
00:05:55
Speaker
ah They are. They are very visual. Lots of books in a row. Shelves. Very ordered. Categories. Mm-hmm. And the, yeah I think that the Dewey de Decimal System, is that still a thing?
00:06:10
Speaker
what did they Or did they get rid of that? don't know. Anyway, who
Personal Experiences with Misokinesia
00:06:16
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cares? Who cares about the Dewey Decimal System? You know what? I did meet a like a librarian the other night. It sounds like a joke.
00:06:27
Speaker
It isn't. But you know what? You know what? It is. I was at this event, right, and it was a lot of small talk. And a lot of right talking to people that i may have seen before and a bunch of people that I haven't.
00:06:43
Speaker
Right. It was the, ah you know, that I do curling or I i i did do curling, the the sport. Well, I mean, that that the season ended. Right. And then there was there was a closing sort of evening dinner.
00:07:02
Speaker
ah tena I bet that was a laugh for the curling crew. It's, I don't know. yeah yeah You know when you kind book up things and you think, oh, yeah, let's do that. And then it comes to it. And then you're like, oh, I i don't really want to do it. Anyway, so I'm there. I'm chatting away. And I meet a like a librarian guy.
00:07:26
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Yeah. And he honestly does seem a little bit on the on this on the specky. He does kind of give me those vibes. don't know whether he is or not.
00:07:37
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And so i so my small talk technique in all of these situations is to ask questions, right? yeah I ah literally ask a question, they answer it, and then I... Do you like throwing... we had this discussion before. Is it like going fishing? You throw out a mugga on a hook.
00:07:56
Speaker
Yeah, kind of. Sometimes you test them with your sense of humor. Right. And then you might test them with the type of type of conversation. ah Yeah, my thing is is I'll just keep asking questions. So so they'll say something. I'm trying to get them. I'm trying to find and an avenue.
00:08:17
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Because i thinking you I'm thinking, this guy has must have a specialist subject, right? He must do. he must There must be some niche. Where is it? So you're throwing out the bait.
00:08:29
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I'm asking him questions. I find out he's a like like librarian. Great. So I'm kind of going, right, okay, well, yeah nonfiction, fiction, what's your favorite? Oh, I could kind of like... and and fiction. Okay, well, what sort of genres? Oh, I like fantasy. Oh, oh great. i know Who are your favorite authors? you know like That's the kind of... That's what throwing that out out there because I'm thinking, oh, Terry Pratchett. I like Terry Pratchett. He's a fantasy author. We can bond.
00:09:02
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I'd ask probably ask somebody like, if you had to sleep in one of the sections... What section are you most likely to sleep in? Such a weird question. That's funny. um So anyway, so yeah, he likes Terry Pratchett, right? So, okay, we kind of bond over that bit.
00:09:20
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And then he, after a bit, he kind of goes, oh, okay. And then he literally turns, right? And he just walks off. Okay, tick the box.
00:09:31
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um Take the box, right? Okay. I thought well, that's weird. And then I kind of thought about it, and I thought, you know what it is? I think even if you meet someone who's... You've forgotten to shower before you went.
00:09:46
Speaker
oh Oh, damn it. Is that why everyone was like 10 feet radius of me? that And I kind of thought, oh, you know even though I'd got onto his favorite subject and some of the things that he really wanted to talk about, I think because I'm asking all the questions that he was sort of, that I just think that I just sort of flooded him out.
00:10:16
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You know? Flooded him out. I like that. And then he just kind of Flooded him out. I like that. He got overloaded and then just walked off. Yeah. You opened too many folders.
00:10:28
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Yeah. too too too Too fast. I was going... but but but but but but And then I ah found the thing that he was saying, he knows something.
00:10:40
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Yes. He knows too much. he's he's He's sniffed out my specialist subject somehow. And now... knows too much.
00:10:53
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And even though I'm kind of going, oh, I like that. Oh, I like that. Oh, this is a good thing. And this is a good thing. I think it was like, think I scared him off. Is it possible? Okay, just throwing it out there. Is it possible that also there was a combination of you um worried about the event...
00:11:14
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yeah You've been slightly over anxious about finding a neurodiverse playmate. Right. And then I just kind of like pouncce pounced on him.
00:11:27
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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. scared of that. He got into a situation of fight or flight. Yeah.
00:11:38
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Yeah. So he just went, all right. Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! Ugh, anyway. put away do anyway Anyway, let's get let's get back to the topic in hand, mesokinesis. So why are we talking about mesokinesia?
00:11:58
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Well, I mean, we we we we are talking about it because last week we we did ah miso fucking the
Public Interactions and Misokinesia
00:12:07
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thing that I've already forgotten about. it it's already been erased from my brain.
00:12:11
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I can tell you. It was misophonia. oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So misophonia is about... um it's kind like Phonetics.
00:12:22
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Yeah, it's like the sound, you having this disproportionate reaction to sound. this is but So misokinesia is a psychological phenomena, Paul, that causes people to become distracted, angry...
00:12:38
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and frustrated when they see someone fidget or make other repetitive body movements. In some cases, a person with mesokinesia may even have violent thoughts towards the fidgeter.
00:12:53
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Ooh, violent thoughts. Yeah, yeah. See, okay, I'll give you a quick context, very, very quick. I found this one of the most difficult episodes to research. go I don't think I've got anything like that, ah I have a sneaky, very sneaky suspicion that there is something that i just haven't ah that I've forgotten.
00:13:18
Speaker
You know what? Do you, like, when you're sitting there, like, whether you're watching a... a film at home or you're kind trying to concentrate on something and then out the corner of your eye, there's someone's like bobbing their leg up and down or they're like tapping the desk or they're sort of fidgeting around in your head.
00:13:39
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ah over there in your in your periphery vision. Yes, yes. And your brain is kind of going, <unk> look just can you just stop? like Like I have to move my head so that that they're not in my vision because I can't concentrate. It's nowhere near as visceral as the sound stuff that we talked about last week.
00:14:01
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So that's my thing. i
00:14:07
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Although, because normally the visual stuff is the stuff that I really lean into. Because I've got, in in in terms of my hypervigilance, right um hypersensitivity, sensitivity but the visual thing is, visual stuff is my best friend.
00:14:26
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Right. So anything that like is incongruent or shouldn't work but does, you know, k color clashes, I'm all over those. you Right. But what about sort of, what sort of about sort ah movement, things that kind of like, you know, know nothing comes to mind, but I'm open to the idea that I've just forgotten.
00:14:50
Speaker
Yeah. You know, like when you're sitting, and you know, and and this attaches quite well to hypervigilance. It's when you're sitting in a room, maybe you're in a cafe, right? You're having a coffee and there's someone acting like they're little bit sort of, a little bit sort of erratic.
00:15:10
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Oh, I've just thought one. all you can do is just like, and your brain just really wants to focus on that sort of erratic person. I've got one.
00:15:21
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Yeah. with Someone's tapping. Yeah. Can hear me? Yeah. Can you hear that? I can. On the table. It's annoying.
00:15:34
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Stop it. yeah um Yes. I sometimes, I don't know if this is relevant, but if I hear a heartbeat, it feels like my heart, um I'm conscious of my heart beating and not it not being in time with somebody else that's beating. and I get anxious.
00:15:56
Speaker
Oh, yess that's funny. Yeah, yeah. No. Yeah, I kind of, yeah. there There is that. What about, you know, like, you know, when someone's picking something out of their teeth?
00:16:12
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Oh.
00:16:15
Speaker
No. not Not really. No? No. You're fine. All good. I'm fine. um someone biting their nails, picking stick at them.
00:16:32
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I've got here um his stuff. this I don't know it's whether it's relevant or not, but i've it' um it's a bit of ah of a curveball. The Microsoft Office interface.
00:16:46
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Right, how it moves? how How utterly um incongruent it is, how utterly stupid it is, how overly complicated and around anti...
00:17:02
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um What's it called? It's not your intuitive. Right. Anti-intuitive. It makes me fucking mad. And it can't be just neurotypical or it can't be just whether you're neurotypical. It's just really shit. But i don't think that's relevant, is it? No, not not not really. Not really. Although, it's okay so you appear to be in one of the two-thirds of people that don't have it.
00:17:30
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So there's up to a third of people in North America that may have mesokinesia. Right. And for some people it's aggressive, sometimes an aggressive response. Yes. so Have you got an example?
00:17:44
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I mean, um yeah, so for example, I mean, I was like on, oh I was on Reddit looking at people's, you know, like just anecdotal stories.
00:17:56
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Right. And someone said, oh, you know, I'm, I, I am studying at college. I'm, I'm sitting there. I'm trying to, focus on cro um co for professor Paul talking about cold conversational English yeah and and there is someone fidgeting and tapping and you know, ah in their vision and they cannot concentrate on the what the professor saying. So they have to wear a hoodie so that so that it kind of cuts out all that visual information and they sit at the front.
00:18:41
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and and And someone else said, yeah, I just had to walk out of a of a lecture because I couldn't handle
Mirroring Behaviors: Connection or Irritation?
00:18:48
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it. Oh, wow. Yeah. yeah i Yeah, I can see why for some people, don't have it, but can see how it could.
00:18:59
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Right. It kind of makes sense. Yeah. For me, sound as we talked about last week, it's much, much, it makes me really um incredibly irritated.
00:19:15
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Right. So examples of some common triggers could include, and we've talked about some of these, shaking or bouncing a leg or foot, finger tapping, rubbing your eyes or face, foot tapping, chewing or picking your teeth, hair twirling, ah tapping. People...
00:19:34
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take Oh, there is one. Oh, Martin. Oh, yes. There is one. What? Oh, God, there so is. What?
00:19:45
Speaker
There's two that are kind of interrelated. People eating with their mouth open. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a good one.
00:19:56
Speaker
Yes. Oh, I hate that. Right. Or worse, talking with their mouth full. Right. And there's another one that kind of interrelated overly full plates of i'll food.
00:20:15
Speaker
All right. Overlaped. Anxious stuff. Overlaped plates of food. but but But that mouth and eating thing. Yeah. Where you know where the kind of mouth's going up and down and you can see there's there's too much food in there or, you know. it's like Oh, meat and two veg. Okay. Thanks for that.
00:20:34
Speaker
It's like, yeah, or or they have they have their mouth open, is as you say. That's like, yeah. I mean, because the the thing is is that misokinesia and misophonia can marry up together. So if you've got that, so if you've got like a so sound as they're eating as well, yeah that they're're they're talking with a mouthful.
00:20:58
Speaker
It's interesting. For some people, it's interesting, isn't it? It's interesting, yeah, that that's come up for me. Like with someone chewing gum, okay, yeahp I'm more disturbed about seeing someone chewing gum than I am hearing it.
00:21:17
Speaker
There we go. There you go. that's that's why That's one. Bang on. Bang on. What about you, Martin? Does that irritate you? Yeah.
00:21:31
Speaker
People sort of bobbing their foot up and down. Right. That's in my vision in the end. And I'm trying to concentrate.
ADHD and Social Mirroring
00:21:40
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So my my brain. yeah So ADHD brains love sort of novelty and interesting things.
00:21:51
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And my ADHD brain will get, oh, what's that over there? That's an interesting thing. And it will just. like And it's just like, fuck off.
00:22:02
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Stop it. I've had, because I, one of my um ah things with, what's it called?
00:22:15
Speaker
An ADHD and autistic thing when you, Stim. Okay. One of my stimming things is is me playing with my beard. Or I'm always touching my face in some way. Always.
00:22:29
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My ears. I've always got my hands in my face. sorry I had an ex-girlfriend. They used to drive place to drive her crazy. Oh, there you Yeah, didn't like it.
00:22:42
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So we've got signs of misokinesia. You may okay be having, so if you're aware of someone nearby who's visiting, you may feel the following and anxiety, inability inability to focus on what you're doing, frustration and annoyance.
00:23:03
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ah anger, rage, proper rage, a and thoughts of of of committing violence directed at the fidgeter.
00:23:14
Speaker
Right. So for some people, very extreme. Right. Isn't there a scene where Hannibal Lecter basically eats someone because he's irritated by them with their stimming?
00:23:27
Speaker
I've never seen it, so okay I will i would defer to you. Okay. I mean, the ultimate to ultimate you know violence is being someone eating you.
00:23:42
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's how you can tell that you've you've cluster can you've pissed someone off. Right. Surely. um Also, it appears...
00:23:57
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that it gets worse as you get older.
00:24:03
Speaker
Oh. Now, I'm wondering. Yeah, see that. I can see that. My thing with sound triggering, being triggered by sound, uh has got much more uh visceral as i've got definitely right yeah but also as i've unmasked and there's less shame about it so i've accepted it now as being okay to be triggered by it i notice it more as a consequence yeah yeah i think i think that's
00:24:39
Speaker
I think that's where I was going to head with it, is that it may not necessarily get worse, but our tolerance for it may become less. So it just appears, it just feels more.
00:24:53
Speaker
um certainly i think because the fact that you notice it more because you can, Yeah. Right. And that you don't attach so much shame to it, you know, because I've had partners in the past that were that looked to me like I was a freak because I was freaking out with someone behind me in a restaurant, you know, um you know, having a conversation with someone, you know, on um and leaving voice notes, you know, or having their, on speakerphone, having a conversation with someone, you know. Oh, right. Yeah. got um
00:25:32
Speaker
Getting really irritated by it. And my, um there was one particular girlfriend, she looked at me like I was a freak. It's like, you know, calm down. You're freak. now now that Now that I'm OK with it now, I'm OK that I'm not OK with it.
00:25:49
Speaker
So I notice it more. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So here's some science bits. OK for science.
00:26:00
Speaker
Here comes the science. So some researchers think that mesokinesis may involve the brain's mirror neuron system. so So the ah brain's mirror neuron system is um a yeah if you watch someone doing something, so sort of the physical, your brain kind of sort of sort of a mirrors it.
00:26:29
Speaker
okay so hey So, I mean, an example is when I'm down the gym and my and my instructor's kind of going, I want you to do this exercise, and I'll watch him. And then there's a bunch of cells almost like sort of mirroring what he's doing in my own head so that I can do the thing.
00:26:51
Speaker
Yeah. So, um and... You're anticipating the muscle memory. Yeah. yes yes so we kind like there's part of us that kind of that sort of mirrors the other person um and if you've got adhd or or your all dhd this may create this kind of involuntary attention capture like like that kind of tapping or that leg bobbing up and down yeah um our our brains kind of like part of it sinks in with that sort of that. Oh, right. into It tunes in. It tunes into that repetitive motion and part of your brain also starts to bob up and down.
00:27:36
Speaker
and then okay. And then you start to feel like anxious. Right. And it's... and it's i think it's It's like if you um it's a tactic you can use when you're doing presentations at work to to to clients.
00:27:54
Speaker
And if you're presenting to someone and you're looking at them and you're not nodding, not like violently nodding, but generally nodding, they will much more likely um buy that presentation.
00:28:07
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Right. Because they're bought into it. The only thing is to mirror your nodding and buy into it. Right. It's a classic presentation trick.
00:28:18
Speaker
Yeah, no. And actually, you know what? it's It's like if you really want someone to make ah if you want someone to make ah them feel like they like you, is you mirror them. Absolutely, yeah. And even their words, if you mirror their words as well.
00:28:38
Speaker
Right, yeah. So that if if they lean back, you lean back. Yeah. they leave Or would you lean forward? And with words, too. So he said so you I could respond now. Oh, I understand, Martin. team It's bit like leaning backwards and forwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly that.
00:28:57
Speaker
See, you really get me. Yeah, yeah. um Yeah, you really get me. And I'm going to point a at you back again because I'm just going to mirror you. hi Right, right, right.
00:29:09
Speaker
Right, exactly. yeah Well, some people actually, but you can people can quite powerfully fall in love. Yes. and Because of these kind of things.
00:29:21
Speaker
The opposite of being triggered in a violent way, negative way. Right. for For exactly the same reason. Some people might see be incredibly attracted subconsciously by a micro-movement.
00:29:37
Speaker
right in someone that reminds them of their granddad or something in the past. Oh, wow. You know what? I mean, like, um ah I did, ah did i I remember something i've read, oh, God, years years ago, where it said if you wanted to attract someone who was sitting on on ah on a completely different table, that you could still do the same thing. You could watch them you look over them.
00:30:08
Speaker
This is what g narcissists do. Is it? This is what narcissists do, because narcissists don't know how to behave. So they will mirror other people's, um um how they sound, how they move and how they talk.
00:30:23
Speaker
That makes sense. You could sometimes be in a situation where you're talking to someone and they're doing that doing this, you should probably avoid contact with them. Right, you should be like, red flag.
00:30:39
Speaker
Yeah, massively. Yeah. yeah But I do it. I'm not a narcissist, but I used to do it with, it happens a lot in the ADHD world, an autistic world, is we sometimes don't know how to react with neurotypicals.
00:30:57
Speaker
So we will copy mirror their behaviors. Also to feel like um you want to be part of a community because you grow up feeling like you're an alien.
00:31:09
Speaker
So you you in your in your hypervigilance, you think, you know I want to belong someone to with something or someone or group of people. So you subconsciously mirror them.
00:31:24
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And i've I suddenly realized with a couple of times with girlfriends that I was starting to copy there the way that they laughed. Oh, yeah. hu Yes. I used to pick it up and I used to hear and think, oh, blimey, that's a bit weird.
00:31:41
Speaker
You're going, hee, hee, hee, hey Woohoo! Wah-ha-ha! Yeah. Oh, God. you know what? i The only time everve I've ever done that mirroring thing is when I'm with a client, right?
00:31:57
Speaker
and um'm And I'm in a client and we're doing a presentation usually, um and I will mirror them o if i'm if I'm sitting there at the table.
00:32:10
Speaker
Only because, one, I'm not entirely sure what I should be doing anyway. So it feels like, well, if I kind of do that, then, you know, yeah.
00:32:22
Speaker
Or you're avoiding stimming. Yes. it's it's the Yes, there we go. It's it's it's an alternative to so to to stimming. and And also I kind of think, well, maybe he'll like me and and he'll buy with the i the the presentation. Yeah.
Managing Misokinesia and Cultural Perceptions
00:32:41
Speaker
Being neurodiverse, we're probably, consciously or not, wary of not standing out and you know potentially screwing it up for the agency by by behaving weirdly.
00:32:58
Speaker
Yeah. so rather ah So it's a great distraction if you're thinking, okay, I'm just going to mirror some more some other freak on the other side of the table. Yes, exactly. All right. So just to close out, just to just to close out so it's already Is there any cure for it? No, not not not really. it It just comes down to managing your life and your anxiety.
00:33:28
Speaker
ah I'm not quite sure they'll help. um it stuff ah But, yeah, so it it is really just yeah just just around trying to kind of like, you know,
00:33:45
Speaker
As that as that's as that' that student was saying, like shoes she had to wear a hoodie. So just kind of cut some of that. I can understand that. It's like when horse racing, they put blinkers on horses.
00:34:01
Speaker
Right. All of them. They're all misochinesic or whatever. Right. I've got a thing, Martin. I do too. I've got a ah whole dream version of this of my script for today. good God. Okay. That I dreamt up last night.
00:34:19
Speaker
Let's hear it. Okay. This is going to be good. The dream version of it was that I was... My dream version of this whole thing was that I was going to go off down a rabbit hole of why I hate, as in as in why i have a visual visually a violent reaction to the front Comic Sans.
00:34:40
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Right? yeah And at some point, my reaction was so violent that you and me went along to fight in the Vietnam War. And prepared.
00:34:53
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ah But because we were neurodiverse, they wouldn't give us any guns, even though we're on the front line. Probably wise. All because of Comic Sans. There you go.
00:35:05
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Comic Sans. Yeah. Honestly, that's not the worst font in my head. What's the worst?
00:35:16
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The worst for me is Papyrus. Papyrus. Oh, Papyrus is bad. Yeah. That's bad. Bad. I'm not a... Aerial is up there for me.
00:35:33
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Aerial? Aerial Black's good. I can use Aerial. Aerial Regular. h it's Nice. Why use it when you can use Helvetica?
00:35:46
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yep yep yep all right so um so let's uh so that just takes us on to um i ever about let's let's rate it let's let's write horrible sounds here we go ready for the music for the sting
00:36:11
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Okay. Misokinesia. Is it a dopamine hit or is it a burnout thing? Well, hang on, hang on. Martin, can I just ask, is there like a full 12-inch remix version of that that I could get hold of?
00:36:31
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I could make one, I guess. Just a sort of a banjo dance track. Please do.
00:36:38
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Please Dopamine hit score. How about you, Martin? Where are you on the dopamine hit score for misokinesia? Well, honestly, i mean, it's – I don't really get – I mean, good set. I mean, good movements, I guess.
00:36:59
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Movements that enjoy. Yeah. that like. Oh, obviously. um ah I like things that move sort of beautifully. So I would say that, you know, that i'm i like you, I'm a very visual purp of visual and person. so So I would go a full 10 for movements that I enjoy. Okay. Me too. I'll go for the whole 10. It's like my... my
00:37:31
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For my very being. It's why I'm a photographer. I love photography. It's my ah massive, probably the biggest obsession I've ever had in my life, photography. And it's because of this visual...
00:37:44
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hypersensitivity that is i i love i really love it so right yeah so the the the burnout score so i guess it's how annoying do i find these things now do i get violently angry no do i get home so i think i end up being ah ah can be it can be quite annoying i would put it like a five okay i can get quite irritated if buy it sometimes. Yeah.
00:38:17
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And I can't focus. I think it's a lot higher than I think it is. o ah think So I'm going to go for five as well. Wow.
00:38:28
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Look at that. We are dinner dead in the same ballpark. All right. Cool. So let us know at home what your scores are. how How annoying are sounds for you and what sounds annoy you?
00:38:45
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Yes. Tell us. Tell us. Tell us, tell us. Okay. um Do we get back into... Yeah, we do. We get back on the tractor at this point, aren't we? Yeah, let's get back in because we're going to make our way over to Alexandra's Haunted Inn.
00:39:03
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There we go. Oh, we're off. That tractor's so reliable. i don't miss our old taxi at all our old car remember that in the old days there might be um the the elections might be coming around sooner than we think right quite you know so say with my foot you know for this for you know in terms of public appearance and public perception
00:39:36
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Even though our tractor is very reliable, if we become mares again, we might have to you know get the old wheels out of the garage. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:48
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Dust it off. Anyway, so Alexandra's left a note. um
Listener Feedback and Choice Paralysis Teaser
00:39:53
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she says oh me so canicia and and she is is a greek so um so she says by the way it's irritating to google a greek word to see how to write it properly in english which i thought was quite an interesting thought because you see mesokinesis right and then you can see it oh god it's right yes has the greek it's basically greek but then you have to google it to see how the english and the english latin i get the same because i speak italian greek yep
00:40:34
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um with more than a second language, I'm pretty fluent in Italian. I can see the Latin in a lot of words. Right. Yeah.
00:40:45
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Yeah. It's quite common. Yeah. Anyway, she says, a very interesting topic. Shaking your leg is the first thing that comes to my mind. My mum does it to fall asleep. I can't sleep in the same room with that woman. I prefer to sleep on the floor.
00:41:02
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With that woman! hope that that woman um That woman with her bouncy legs. um ah she She goes on to say, the most annoying thing is that is that most of the things we're irritated by are very normal things we usually do ourselves too, but we get extreme reactions when others don't.
00:41:25
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I feel that's where all the shame and guilt comes from most of the time. So you were talking about shame and guilt. Thank you, guys. Love you both. We love you too, Alexandra. Fantastic.
00:41:41
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so So do you really, is that true? do you sleep on the floor, alex Alexandra? Can you do that? is that Is that how bad it gets? from Maybe. On the floor. Let's find out.
00:41:55
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Let's find out. Yeah. We've got this feedback as well. We've got quite a lot of feedback this week. um Carol, Minister of Snacks, okay. Yeah. And said, I would love to know if your sensitivity to sound includes a rage response. Yes. I have misophonia too. However, the internal rage I feel over mouth sounds, certain types of nose sniffing clearing of throat is life altering for me in childhood.
00:42:26
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It was regarded as a manipulative and dramatic it was regard it as manipulative andrimatic because I would throw myself on the floor with a meltdown. Yikes. Blimey.
00:42:38
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I know. And she goes on to say, thanks very much for the lovely episode. But, yeah i there there's the shame, isn't it? That's the shame. It's like I think a lot of us, a lot of the – A lot of the time, especially if you're diagnosed really late, we we we've got so used to hiding our sometimes our need to be violent a violent violent, a violent reactive to certain things that we keep repressed.
00:43:14
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has an accumulative effect as we get older, repressing these things. Right. You know what? I just i just thought of something interesting.
00:43:25
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Right. Why don't you share it with us? Let's do the podcast. Let's do it now. Let's do it now.
00:43:34
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I, of the other podcasts that I listened to, listened to Dan Snow's history hit, right? I do as well. love that. Lots of history, right?
00:43:44
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I can't. So I used to listen to his episodes and then he had something. he had some mouth surgery or something. Right.
00:43:56
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And then I could hear his voice had that sort of, had a kind of a saliva. Oh, really? That just suddenly came in out of nowhere.
00:44:09
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like something changed dry mouth well no it was the it was the opposite there was like too much moisture going in there and and something changed and then i couldn't listen to any of his episodes because yeah i was like what do you listen with the headphone yes Oh, so you probably need to listen to him without the headphones.
00:44:33
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ah Yeah, but... Because you hear everything, right? Yeah, yeah. Maybe they've changed microphones. No, it was definitely his... He had so he he must have had some oral surgery. Maybe he had a tooth out. I don't know what it was, but ah but but that that was it. that That was the end of me listening to Dan Snow.
00:44:55
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i were see math Oh, as well. i There's another this another thing on history here is where there's ah two people. He's an Irish gay historian.
00:45:09
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She's a female historian. um they They're really good. They're really, really good. Yeah. um All right. So the last comment, um Seth, who's a minister of head head stuff, he he texted me. So,
00:45:28
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He's the one who didn't like mushrooms. but then Then you said that maybe he doesn't like mushrooms because he couldn't because it could afford them or something. like And then he went back and said, that's ridiculous. All I wanted to do was to try mushroom coffee. he has since...
00:45:46
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so he has since then tried mushroom coffee. i had I've had it. It's okay. and right And he says, I wanted to let you know that I tried mushroom coffee the other day for the first time.
00:46:04
Speaker
I instantly felt the joy being sucked out of me. It doesn't really taste like mushrooms. It doesn't. It tastes like if Dirt had one-night stand with cardboard and it birthed mushroom coffee.
00:46:21
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Okay. Funny enough, I've had some weird experiences is a experiences this is in in um coffee shops. Actually, Seth has inspired the next episode.
00:46:36
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really? Really? Because the next episode, I suggest, Marty, is going to be about choice paralysis. Oh, okay. Especially coffee shops. You guys in America, holy crap.
00:46:49
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I mean, it's mental. And it's creeping over here into Italy, especially coffee shops. So next week is about choice paralysis. ah Oh, good one.
00:47:01
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Good one. i like i like I like choice paralysis. This is like where you have too many options. Yes. And you' you're struggling. Yeah. Yeah. No, as a marketer, this is this is also up my street from a but but from a marketing advertising framework as well.
00:47:24
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Very interesting. I like that.
Wrap-Up and Quiz Fun
00:47:26
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All right. Well, ah that's that's what we're going to be talking about next week. But before we get there, there is a small matter all
00:47:38
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the quiz. It's the quiz. It's the quiz, which Paul and I do every week, um where we take turns to ans ask eat eight eat eat each other a quizzy thing, and then we keep scores, and then we see who's won. And the the scores are currently ah two two points to me, four points to you.
00:48:02
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You are in the lead. um I wouldn't say comfort comfortably, but certainly you're certainly out there. I don't feel comfortable, but I'm not feeling twitchy either.
00:48:16
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Right. well Well, let's see how how we go, it's my my my turn to ask that a bunch of questions, which um I tried to do one on...
00:48:32
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on movement, but I ended up with um the general theme being famous people's weird tics okay and mannerisms.
00:48:44
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Okay. Which I thought might ah kind of like was yeah adjacent. All right. So you've got three questions. It's two truths and a lie. You have to spot which one is the lie.
00:48:59
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Okay. All right. So which one's a lie? ah A. Nikola Tesla hated touching hair and pearls.
00:49:14
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Pearls? Yeah. Okay. is Or is it two? Winston Churchill reportedly held meetings while lying naked in bed.
00:49:27
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That's true. Or is it C, Albert Einstein refused to speak before noon because he believed words used up brain cells. That's true.
00:49:40
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It's A, it's the false one. A is the false one. It's actually C. Oh! Yeah, Einstein had plenty quirks, but the brain cells rule is not true.
00:49:56
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I got it confused because he would go... i've got it confused. He went for morning, afternoon walks in order to not think of anything.
00:50:07
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It was the opposite. He would go for afternoon walks. All right. To switch his mind off. All right. Here we go. Okay. All right. ah Napoleon Bonaparte was terrified of cats.
00:50:24
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That's true, I think. think that's true. Or is it two, Howard Hughes became obsessed with germs and used tissues to touch objects.
00:50:35
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That's true as well. Or is it C, Charles Dickens always slept facing north because he believed in improved creativity. Oh, shit. I think that's true as well.
00:50:49
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so What was the first one again? and Napoleon Bonaparte was terrified of cats. Howard Hughes, germs, Charles Dickens, sleeping north.
00:51:06
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Oh, he's thinking. Howard Hughes definitely had the germ thing. Yeah. Yeah, that that is. I'll go with Dickens, it's false. Oh.
00:51:17
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No. all da Charles Chickens did face... he he always He always liked to sleep facing magnetic north.
00:51:28
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Right. and He was weird. He was weird. He was a crazy, crazy guy. Isn't it in the end, you find out that most people that are famous are weird, especially historical figures?
00:51:45
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Yeah. Pretty messed up. All right. So this last one is is is is for pride. All right. it One, ah Beethoven poured water over his head while composing. Blimey. Okay.
00:52:06
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Or two, Salvador Dali carried a pet ocelot around in public.
00:52:14
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That's true. Or three, Abraham Lincoln practiced speeches while balancing oranges under his arms. So I would say that Salvador Dali is true, so we can take that off the table.
00:52:29
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Yeah. And oranges, I'd say C again. Damn it. The Lincoln one is false. And you'd be correct.
00:52:41
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Oh, That was a load of nonsense. A load of nonsense. ah So that brings the score up to three for me, four to you. You're still ahead, but that... Blimey. Okay, all right.
00:52:52
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That... Yeah. You're leading... It's starting to be a little bit of cocksure, Martin.
00:52:59
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I am sure. Right. Okay. All right, so that's the quiz. Next week's episode is about choice paralysis, which I'm quite interested in in doing.
00:53:14
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00:53:30
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00:53:45
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00:53:57
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Stop.
00:54:02
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Oh, nice episode. I like that. I know. So you see, yeah, I kind of knew that had something. just see people with food in their mouth as they're talking.
00:54:17
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And you can't finally see it.
00:54:23
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No. I just hope that that no one really doesn't like seeing someone drink on on a podcast. Because, you know, I've had at least five sips from my tea.