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Episode 132 - ADHD & Bladerunner - Are replicants coded neurodivergents?
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SPOILERS! This week we talk about Bladerunner because we wanted to! We decide which is better, the original or 2049. We also get into how autism and ADHD makes us feel like we are the replicants in a human world.
What do you think?
ADHDville, the podcast where hosts Paul and Martin bring 40 years of friendship to your ears. As late-diagnosed adults, they explore the ADHD world with fun, games, and the occasional guest—no boring lectures, just a comfortable and hilarious conversation you’d have with old friends. A new episode drops every Tuesday to make your week brighter!
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Theme music was written by Freddie Philips and played by Martin West. All other music by Martin West.
Please remember: This is an entertainment podcast about ADHD and does not substitute for individualized advice from qualified health professionals.
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Introduction and episode focus
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Oh, ah back in the room. Back in the room. blimey. know, right? ah Yeah. I didn't realize it it was going to start quite so soon. um Abruptly, even.
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All right. All right. Well, ah okay. So let's go. Yes. it's okay Let's go world to the golden land of opportunity and adventure.
00:00:27
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Oh, that sounds like a corn malty. Where the distractions landmarks are the details on the main roads. Welcome to off the off world ADHDville.
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Okay.
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of a ride. Watch sea beams litter in the dark.
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If the ten hammers are against, all of those moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain. Time to die.
ADHD diagnoses and setting the scene
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um ah he He says, as he flicks back to the other script, and he says... Hello, I'm Paul Thompson. know it's time to diagnose, but combined the DA game dragging, kicking and screaming towards three years ago.
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And Martin West, and I took the Voight-Kampff test and was ah diagnosed with the combined ADHD poopoo platter in 2013 and self-diagnosed autistic. And we are the mayors of ADHDville.
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We're here yeah in the ADHDville pub, the King's Edge head Head, where we take care of business. Yeah.
Ownership and 'Blade Runner' quiz
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And this week we are talking about ADHD and Blade Runner.
00:01:51
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Yes. even LDHD and Blade Runner. And there is a quiz. And a quiz. Yes, there is. There is. Now, I also have a quiz as well. Do you?
00:02:05
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Well, yeah, because because I thought it was my it was my pick. So therefore, it's my my quiz. Unless you want to take... Last week, didn't you ask the questions last week?
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and Yes. Which means it's your, which which means that if we, which means that it's actually going to be your episode if you do the quiz. Oh, okay.
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Which means I get to choose next week. Oh, because I thought we skipped the turning thing because it was a good or bad and ugly episode. All right. ah So basically, who wants to own this this episode?
Whimsical movie-going experiences
00:02:51
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I'll do it.
00:02:52
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All right. No, you own the episode, and I'll ask the quiz. All right. Fine. How does this work for next week? Are we are we just going to be opposites?
00:03:07
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It means that I choose for next week, and you do the quiz. All right. All right. We'll do opposites then. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Well, let's – where where are we are we going to talk about – We're going off to the movies, Martin.
00:03:24
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All right. Well, let's – I assume off to the movies. It's like a drive-in. ah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, exactly. you have read my mind. With tractor.
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What do you say? So let's jump into the tractor and drive into the very American-style movie.
00:03:54
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That would be pretty weird, wouldn't it? Rocking up to a drive-in movie with a tractor. It's not exactly fit for purpose. But you know what? I mean, you've you have you have a seat. you've you've You've got your little area. Oh, yeah. um you can Yeah, you can eat sandwiches off off the steering wheel.
00:04:15
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Absolutely. absolutely You know, maybe like have a thermo thermaflare thermos flask, you know, secreted somewhere. All right. Yeah.
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Cool. All right. Well, um
'Blade Runner' original vs. sequel
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all right. So who who puts so ah I guess i will I will just kick us off ah by saying... yes ah Yeah, we did this subject. I think it was because um'm I made the controversial comment of I preferred Blade Runner 2049 to the original Blade Runner.
00:04:51
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And based on that, I watched for a second time the latest version of Blade Runner. And all the while, all the while thinking of you, Martin, saying it was better than the original.
00:05:06
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So i I watched it with different, watched it with different eyes, Martin. with with With mine eyes. If you could only see what you've seen. Yes, exactly.
00:05:19
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But mrs Mr. What was he called? God, said Chew. He was called Chew. he And he says, he said, It's one of my favorite scenes, actually, in Blade Runner. He goes in to, like, you know, find out, you know, he was trying he was trying to get a way to meet his maker, Roy.
00:05:43
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Yeah. And he went to see the eye maker, Mr. Chu. Yes. And he's saying, just do eyes. Just do eyes. Right. Yeah.
00:05:54
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I think that it's the same actor that plays Kung Fu Panda's dad. Is it? Yeah, I think so. Okay.
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All right.
00:06:08
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Yeah, so ah wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily it's better. I'd say that I prefer it. Like, if I could if i had both of the movies in in front of me, would be like, which one would a watch I watch? Nine times out of ten, would watch 2049.
00:06:24
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twenty forty nine Okay, well, let's get into this a little bit, because I was watching the new version of it, and I was making various comparisons, comparisons like music,
00:06:37
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The original is best. Yes. The soundtrack. Soundtrack's way, way, way better, for sure. Yeah. Casting.
00:06:47
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I mean, casting on the original is phenomenal. It is great. I also like the casting in the second one as well. I wasn't convinced about the casting in the second one. What? You told me that originally Harrison Ford, he was the second choice.
00:07:05
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Yes. And the first choice was? Was Dustin Hoffman. Holy crap.
00:07:16
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Yeah. That's weird. He turned it turned it down, i know, right? good He did well turning it down because it would have been shit. And I love Dustin Hoffman. Right.
00:07:27
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Yeah. We will never know. we will never know. Maybe it would have been great. The storyline, I really like the storyline. I like the second one better.
00:07:39
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And that that's a lot. That's saying a lot because the first one is really good, the storyline. Yeah. I like the complexity of of the second one and the nuances, right?
00:07:52
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. yeah I'd say as far as um scenery, right? Scenery, I think it's a dead heat between the first and the second.
00:08:04
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Dead heat. Yeah, yeah. But it's phenomenal, the second one as well. Yeah, yeah. I prefer the second one. um Here's a controversial aspect to it. In the first one, there's um Rachel smoking a cigarette, which you don't get in the second one because you're not allowed to.
00:08:28
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Right. Right. And something incredible and I think is missing. I understand why. But people see someone, you know, protagonist smoking a cigarette in a film is a dying art.
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Some would say mortally dead art dark arts, you know, posing with a cigarette. It's even in the film poster, the original film poster, Rachel was smoking a cigarette.
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can you say There's something about that pose, whether male or female, especially a woman. It's a very yeah very very, how could you say? Right.
00:09:12
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I mean, just to just just to be her ah clear, you can still smoke in films. Can you? Yeah, yeah. It's not banned.
00:09:24
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Isn't it? No. it's it it's It's just, it isn't a kid's film then. So so it gets move it gets it it gets its ra rating changed. So I don't know what the rating was for Blade Runner 2049. But you can definitely smoke in films.
00:09:46
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But you don't see people smoking in films anymore. Well, that's because coldc culturally smoking has kind of like died away quite
Cultural shifts and 'Blade Runner'
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a lot. Although I hear it's coming coming back.
00:10:00
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Depends on the country, yeah. I mean, like when I came here. In Italy, everyone smokes. Right. When I came here in the in the States, which is where...
00:10:12
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the movie industry is when i came here like loads of people smoked and then now if i see someone smoking it is a surprise yeah yeah it is like oh my god that person's smoking like i hardly ever see it anymore yeah yeah yeah i'm re-watching um ER r at the moment on Netflix and there's smoking going on in there. It hasn't quite happened yet, you know, because like early, it's early nineties and it's still okay to smoke, you know. oh Jesus. I mean, like I used to know nurses and they smoked all the time. They were like, nurses are one of the most unhealthy bunch of people that, yeah yeah i met this of the smoking i'm not surprised because it was quite a stressful job oh god yeah but um especially near our blimey anyway so um especially effect okay special effects oh i mean the special effects in the new version are phenomenal
00:11:25
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yeah especially with his his playmate, you know, that, you know. Yeah, is his his hologram yeah girlfriend. although I mean, I remember for the first time watched it, i thought, holy crap, that is so cool.
00:11:41
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Mm-hmm. The thing I like about Blade Runner, both both Blade Runners, the special effects are not um kind of, how can you put it,
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It's not like for adding a wow effect. It's not like saying, oh, look at how clever we are, right? It's never superficial. it's always There's always the special effects always add to the story, if that makes sense.
00:12:06
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Yeah. Which is why like of a film. Of a film. Okay. What else you got, Martin? Well, now that Now that we have all that kind of bit out of the way, I think we should just cap that by saying, okay, so now that you've watched both films,
00:12:28
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yeah ah if you had a choice to watch one or the other, which would you generally prefer? The you Would you we just still stick with the original? Oh, the The first.
00:12:43
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I mean, it's got nostalgia as well because it's, you know, it's it's freaking 1982. i was 15 when it came out. Right. So nostalgia is a strong draw, isn't it, Mr. West?
00:12:56
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yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and the music. and the music Yeah. the yeah the The music. ski Yeah. I mean, there's it's like you almost like I feel like because Blade Runner is the film I've watched most times of any or any other film.
00:13:17
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Right. And that there are some scenes that are almost etched into my mind. Like, I think probably one of the strongest scenes for me is when it's just ah was a personal thing, obviously, but when he, um the snake lady,
00:13:34
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um And he shoots her, she's running through glass windows. Right. Yeah, yeah. That is just amazing. Yeah, it's good. It's so good.
00:13:48
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All right. So you would choose that. I would choose the other one. All right. So we can kind of draw a line on that. And I think now um I can go on to kind of like the more neurodivergent part of yes the whole the whole thing. Absolutely.
00:14:04
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Which is I mean even if you haven't seen the film, basically the the theme of the film is is what is what is it to be to be to be to be a human?
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Yeah. Or to feel like you're a replicant.
00:14:29
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Right. So, you know, like the interesting thing about the the film is is that um you you have almost like two types of people. One is the kind of humans and then the other one is these is these replicants that are...
00:14:45
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um androids that you can't tell easily yeah what they look like and they only live for like four years or something right so they and they don't have any memories so guys like they have implants right um and it it except that they sometimes don't even know themselves Like Rachel, she didn't one know.
00:15:14
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Right. there is There is one that that doesn't know. so So that's ah Rachel. But but but generally, ah the rest of them do know what they are. They are these kind of androids, and they have very rudimentary sort of emotions. Yeah.
00:15:32
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That's really nice part the film when he does an exam. he does an exam of um it gives him it gives the He's the maker of these replicas. He gives him a an example just to test his skills in detecting replica.
00:15:53
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It's very cool he's done. right with the voicom test um you know and you know like i can't help but think that you know like um that if you are autistic or you know um especially if you're all autistic you know that kind of idea of not of being human of being You can look like you're human, but you're kind of like something else.
Empathy in 'Blade Runner' and personal parallels
00:16:21
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Yeah. You're like, you know, where you're something slightly different.
00:16:26
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The test that he gives is virtually almost as if he's testing their empathy because he asks Rachel what she would do if she had a butterfly in a jar.
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yeah And that's where she starts this's where she she she starts to get um get as a bit challenged about what she would actually do. Would she help the butterfly to live or whatever, what she would do.
00:16:54
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and a lot of people say people with ADHD autistic people um are very poor within in with empathy, which is is nonsense. It's just a different form of empathy.
00:17:07
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Right. You know, and and and actually your sort of emotions can be, yeah you know, you can be very empathetic and very and very emotional as as well, which is interesting because...
00:17:22
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The characters in the film, generally, the human beings are the ones that lack empathy, mostly. Yes. And they're fairly flat emotionally.
00:17:36
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Yes. I hear the same thing. Whereas the replicants are actually the ones that show the most empathy and have the most emotional ups and downs.
00:17:49
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than the family I've got exactly the same thing written here and it is like well you know even the most violent of them the Rooka Hoyer character Roy yeah yeah right you know when he says that I've seen I've seen things that you people wouldn't believe you know and you know any and he's nearing the end of his time well, apparently at the end time. And he's very much more emotional than actually most of the human people, as you would say.
00:18:27
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Yeah. No. I mean, so it's so there's, you know, like it does feel like slightly odd or autistically coded yeah in that way. And then there's also the the other thing of, of the experience of being observed and assessed and categorized, which the, which, which,
00:18:49
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They do a lot in that film. Like they have that test, right? They have that Voight-Cov test to work out whether you're human or whether you're your Android. um And, you know, and and you're put in one group or the or the other. And it kind of feels like, feels like yeah, you know, like that's, you know, like we we get that. yeah we We get assessed.
00:19:10
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So when we go out into the normal world, we're being ah obsessed. and we And we have to mask ourselves. Yeah. A lot to to look normal and human. Exactly. it's exactly tore try We're trying to merge into the crowd.
00:19:26
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Right. Yeah. and And pass off as as as as humans, as yeah normal humans. it's It's funny, actually, because I notice sometimes i are really sensitive and to being, if I feel like I'm being observed by a partner.
00:19:47
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You know, and, you know, like noticing things that I do or say or yeah or the way I eat or the way I don't eat or blah, blah, blah. I can read ill get a bit so a bit nervous when I feel like I'm being observed.
00:20:02
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Yeah. Are you same? Yeah. No, I mean, like, especially, right, you it's it's especially when you're like in in a working environment and you're meeting new people. Yeah.
00:20:16
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you know, like a new job or a new client or something like like that, you just kind of feel like all these all these eyeballs are are are on on me. Totally, yeah. I get also from my partner, you know, she and this happens with a many other many people, they say, you know, if I'm not like...
00:20:37
Speaker
eating my dinner quickly you know maybe i sometimes take a pause right h it's not for me it's not a race for me to you know if i'm eating something i'll take a pause you know and blah blah and someone will say you take a point so i sort of say oh are you not finishing that no oh I'm just taking a pause.
00:21:00
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I'm just taking a pause. At that moment, I feel observed, you know, and it it bugs me anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. um But I mean, it came to me when i was writing some stuff down here about being, you know,
00:21:21
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Kind of touching on what you were saying, these replicants are kind of like hypersensitive, really. And the gripe that Roy has with his maker is that, you know, that he like the ultimate torture, you know, you gave us you gave me feelings and now I die before my time, right? yeah Yeah.
00:21:42
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And it's like you bastard, you human bastard, you know, you've been really sensitive, right? Yes.
Appreciating life with ADHD and autism
00:21:49
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And he feels annoyed by that. And I feel like I'm kind of like really hyper vigilant and hypersensitive.
00:21:59
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you know, and I can appreciate things. Like he was saying, I've seen people that you, I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. I feel like I've had a really rich life, you know, thanks to my autism, you know, my ADHD. mean, hypersensitive, however exhausting it is, you know, being hypervigilant stuff.
00:22:22
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I also really appreciate it as well. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like ah you were saying that um when Roy Babati, the bad guy in the film, we like, ah has a moment, has a scene with the with the guy that made him.
00:22:46
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Yeah, can't remember his name. um Yeah, and there's quite a tense a a exchange, and and this and and the and the and the Roy Babati wants more life, right? as As you're saying, like, you know, like, you made us, and now and I only get four years. i want more time.
00:23:10
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Yeah. and ah And then there's a kind of a quick back and forth where... He says, well, have you tried this? Have you tried this protein um suppressant? Yes, but the but the ah patient died be ah before they got off the table. Well, have you tried this blocker or that blocker? And I kind of thought, oh, yeah, that's like he's really hyper-focused. kind of like as someone with the yeah with the autism will kind of do they or ADHD, they're really kind of like –
00:23:45
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squirrel down into a subject that is really interesting to them and they'll kind of know a lot of stuff yeah obsess over it you know and yeah yeah yes i mean yeah i kind of i kind of thought yeah that's another thing that's another thing where yeah i i can i can relate to him We talk about going down rabbit holes.
00:24:08
Speaker
If you go online about Blade Runner, there's all kinds of theories, like every theory under the sun. There's this' one thing I found to today, there's like there's an obsession all the way through the film on eyes.
00:24:22
Speaker
Oh, yes, absolutely. um And and ah would when he was when I read it, I thought, of course, of course there is. The windows of the soul. The windows of the soul. And very heavy religious um suggestions as well, like Roy Batty's in his Satan.
00:24:43
Speaker
All right. And, you know, there's this this element, there's this idea that the these, um ah the what do you call it, replicants were sent almost like heavenly creatures to kind of to solve some problems.
00:25:01
Speaker
Didn't work out, as it turned out. Didn't work out. But, you know, there's sent down to earth, these like heavenly figures. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is all of that.
00:25:15
Speaker
on a superficial what's up On a slightly more superficial kind of viewpoint, if I found out I was a replicant, but at the end of the day, the worst thing that happened to me was I fell in love and and kind of ran away off and off onto the horizon with Rachel.
00:25:37
Speaker
I'm really okay with that. I'm fine with that. Rachel was hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah yes, absolutely. yeah You know what? There's this thing, right?
00:25:50
Speaker
I can remember when I was like, when the when the first film came out. So Rachel was played by Sean Young, actress. Yes, yes. And I remember reading somewhere or an interview or something and they said, oh, she was really difficult to work with on set. Yes.
00:26:06
Speaker
That's another rabbit hole I did today on Sean Young's career. ah Okay. Yeah. Because I, okay, well, you can either back up that or or you can dis, dis, dis, dispel it. Because I tend to think whenever I hear that now, I think, oh, perhaps actually she was just ah a woman who knew what she wanted to do and had an opinion. and Yeah. that She was hard to work with. Totally. Yeah. She was probably just, you know, good at her craft.
00:26:40
Speaker
Apparently she was very obsessive, you know, about her roles. To stem with, she was choing them ah she was playing Catwoman in one film in one of the Batman films.
00:26:53
Speaker
All right. With Oliver Stone directed. Okay. And um she ah she just fell out with Oliver Stone, and he ended up cutting most of her out of the film.
00:27:07
Speaker
Right. And so she became just a very small part in the film in the end, even though they shot a lot of it, but they felt like they fell out. Yeah. You know what? It's it just like I think, is it really her fault or is it just like the thing? Yeah.
00:27:23
Speaker
I'd heard many years, many, many, many years ago that she was quite difficult to work with. But, funny enough, her first film, Martin, was called Jane Austen in Manhattan. Yeah.
00:27:36
Speaker
Oh, wow. In 1980, which i really I'd be really curious to see what that's like. Right. Yeah. Because I just think if if if it was a guy...
00:27:48
Speaker
would would she be considered difficult to work with exactly like just like you know like ah obsessive or very good at there well in medieval times any woman that was particularly it was had a strong will strong mind and intelligent and talented and blah blah blah they'd be called a witch and burnt at the stake Right. Men traditionally have been historically scared of strong women.
00:28:19
Speaker
Yeah. it and Basically. Right. I mean, it's many women through the years, you know. if if any strong woman came through history, you know, was popular and cultured and everything, Marie Antoinette, for example, many others, they just get blasted by historians, which are mostly men.
00:28:39
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, like, you know you grew up with the whole Mary and Antoinette, you know, let them eat cake kind of thing, and she was beheaded because, you know, because she was, you know, because she was just... She was treated like shit, A, because she was a woman, B, because she was Austrian. Right.
00:29:02
Speaker
She was a foreigner. And it kind of turns out that, yeah, she was a little bit deaf to what was going on, but But mostly, it was not it had everything. you had nothing to do with her at all. Well, Louis XIV, her husband, he was much, much worse. But he was male and he was French.
00:29:24
Speaker
And he even right up to being executed, he was treated like a king. you know He was sent wine and he was eating with her. She was treated like and ah the worst piece of shit.
00:29:36
Speaker
you know Yeah, yeah. Crazy, isn't it? yeah um You know what, of going going going back to the kind of a the the yeah ah the little kind of um say kind conspiracy theories, all these kind of like theories around the film.
00:29:56
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Yeah. um One little short one was, which ah which i I don't think was ah necessarily that controversial. i I think it was actually a thing that that Harrison Ford, Deckard in the first film, he was supposed to go and meet Rachel and fall in love.
00:30:16
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That was the purpose of why he was taken there. If you go down the, he was ah he was a replicant route.
00:30:30
Speaker
um and in Blade Runner 2 it's bit of spoiler if anyone hasn't seen it but anyway um she was the Rachel turns out to be the first record replica that could actually um reproduce give birth yeah yeah there was this other there was this other interesting theory are you you know the kind of asian guy the asian cop who does all the origami yeah yeah paper sculptures yes the theory goes is that harrison ford is the replicant
00:31:10
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is is a is is a replicant and he's got his his uh what's his name i can't remember that that that that character character's name but he's got his his memories so so the the theory goes is that is asian cop um he is a a but a but a but but a Blade Runner, he gets injured, which is why he goes around on on a stick and he can't do it anymore. So they make the Deckard character. And when he turns up in the film, he is only he's literally just a new fresh.
00:31:48
Speaker
Oh, OK. He's a new fresh Blade Runner with the guy's memories in it. Okay. And that's why every time he ah the guy does a little, little paper.
00:32:04
Speaker
Origami. Origami. It's, he reflects what, what is going on inside. Okay. Mind at the time. Like, like, her like he's scared or, you know, and because he's the only one who knows the, the, the, the unicorn dream.
00:32:23
Speaker
So ah you know Harrison Ford has this a unicorn dream, and then the guy makes a little unicorn. Well, the only reason why he would know that is because he is because Harrison Ford has his memories.
00:32:39
Speaker
Right. But now when we come to the quiz, because the quiz is based on Blade Runner, I've got something on that, so I can't say any more. But I've got something on this. All right.
00:32:51
Speaker
Yeah, some strange facts from Blade Runner. All right. I'm going to test your skills, specifically on that thing, actually. Right. Yeah. Your skills or your memory.
00:33:04
Speaker
Right. You know, like, I mean, like, one one thing is, like, that I kid tend to think of, you know, is is going back to the idea of these replicants learn how to be human, which is yeah like... Yeah, almost more human than human.
00:33:19
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what Yeah, which is what we end up being right you know we we we have to work out like the campbell's soup of of humans we're like a lot of emotions condensed Right.
00:33:34
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You know, um and we have to like, you know, we have to kind of like build scripts and social scripts and yeah how we fit in and try and not be found out, you know, just just like the characters in the film. Just kind of like.
00:33:51
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Oh, totally. And then, well, is as as you know, Martin, you know, you get to a point where you you can't camouflage anymore. It's like the camouflaging.
00:34:04
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It's got it's got to kind of used by date. Right.
Casting and nostalgia in 'Blade Runner 2049'
00:34:08
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He gets it like you. For me, it was like early 40s. Like, I can't do this anymore. Right.
00:34:15
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Yeah. You know what? they ah And and to to go to Kay, who's the hero of the second film. um Actually, you know what? ah i I had a bit of an issue with Ryan Gosling.
00:34:32
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Yeah. That lead. Yeah. I was like, oh, why? Because I don't really, you know. And then I remembered that the the original Blade Runner, Harrison Ford, was like the hot, new, yeah attractive,
00:34:50
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Because he'd done Star Wars already. Because he'd just done Star Wars, right? Yeah. So he was the hot thing. so I was like, oh, yeah, course, because Ryan Gosling, you know, like when that... And he's just done a new... He's just done another new hot thing, Ryan Gosling, which I'd like to see.
00:35:10
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Right. It's called Hail Mary or something like that. Oh, yeah. It's just come out. Yeah. It's just come out here in Europe anyway. and Carol, who's our head of snacks, um she saw the film.
00:35:24
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Oh, what did she say of think of it? And she she was, i mean, ah she didn't tell me much about about it other than like was sort of like, yeah, thought it was awesome.
00:35:37
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I'd like to see it. It looks unusual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like ah like films where you have to kind of think a bit. Yeah, me i need to do i wasn't I didn't go last week because i was away on business for a couple of days.
00:35:54
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um And I wanted to go and see it by myself because my girlfriend, she's not into sci-fi, which is fine. But now this week I need to go, hopefully, it's still on at another cinema.
00:36:08
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Right. Yeah. Because usually think about for a week. Right. Because, like, there's nothing nothing worse than seeing a film and then you're worried about the person next to you, right? the Yeah. Your girlfriend or your wife. And you know that they don't like it or there's something that's happened on the screen which you know is going to upset them. And then I sit there kind of and then all I'm thinking about is, like, oh, no, yeah you don't like it.
00:36:36
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Or if your girlfriend just or your partner just doesn't like that genre of of film. Like sci-fi, it's just like, no. Right. I know.
00:36:47
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I know. So i've I now either don't bother seeing the film because like because I can't enjoy it if I know that who I'm with is like sitting there. Yeah. Well, i might try and – I forgot about it. i might try and go and see it maybe tomorrow night, this um Hail Mary one.
00:37:05
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Right. but But anyway, going going back to Kay, who's the Blade Runner in the second film, the interesting thing about him is, and this is like us being late diagnosed, diagnosed and the thing about being late diagnosed is that is that you yeah is that you have a life.
00:37:23
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and then thinking you're one thing, and then and then you you you you get your diagnosis, and then everything, like, collapses, if you
Character arcs and ADHD diagnosis
00:37:33
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like. You have to write re, re, re, ro game which is exactly what happens to Kay, right? Because he goes through the film. Spoilers.
00:37:42
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but Anyway. lot of spoilers. he He goes through the film thinking, well, he starts to think that he's someone special, yeah right? Yes. Then he's not. has these memories, and it turns out that he isn't.
00:37:56
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Yeah. And then he has to kind of like, oh, fuck. And then he has to kind like, almost like rebuild himself in there to kind of be the hero still, but in a very different way. Yeah.
00:38:10
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But I really liked how they didn't lay on too thickly that element. You kind of had to work it out for yourself. That was the case in some ways. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:21
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it's quite a subtle thing it's not like doesn't they don't give it to you on your plane right also because she you know the one that turns out to be the special one is is in it's really cool you know she's not like sitting on the throne saying hey look at me you know she's like seemingly when she's introducing to film seemingly quite a a kind of a big part of the film.
00:38:48
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Right. And it turns out she's not. Yeah. I mean, but but yeah, so right. But I am going to argue, right? Like, The whole scene, the whole scene when Kay, in the second film, when Kay goes to what looks like a sort Las Vegas and the whole film turns orange. Yeah, yeah. And they kind turn up and there's that huge kind of like nightclub kind of hotel, kind of casino. It's of nightclub, more of a like, yeah, Las Vegas kind of...
00:39:27
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uh what do you call it kind of garland kind of
Las Vegas scene impact
00:39:32
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right yeah showtime kind of thing right there's a big stage and there's a fight and then you get that sort of glitchy elvis yeah um gitchy elvis is cool it's just so it's so cool yay yeah yeah it's so cool yeah that's really nice like like there's Like you think, actually, you know what, out of all the films, that that whole fight sequence with the glitchy stuff going on the dice and pills. The dog, aesthetically, the dog is amazing. Shaggy hound.
00:40:10
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The shaggy hound, especially that bit right at the end, because when they basically they find them and they attack that floor, you know, and they they take them away. And the dog moves in.
00:40:22
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And the dog, because of how low down the the film camera is when they're shooting the dog, and it's like looking out of the building that's being blown out. The dog in that moment looks like he's like 30 meters tall.
00:40:38
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It's like Shacky Dog or suddenly becomes this giant creature, you know. I'm like, so cool in that scene, I'm like, okay, so who's going to feed the dog?
00:40:49
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Now the characters gone. Excuse me, everyone, but there's a dog here that isn't isn't going to be fed. I was thinking more like, oh, that's a very lifelike dog.
00:41:03
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Right. Because very very few few of the animals in Blade Runner are real real animals. They're also replicants, like the snake.
00:41:14
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Yeah. Although doesn't Rachel say um she she turns up and she says, do you like our owl? And yes. And and I think he he says, is it is it real? Yes. And says, as she says i can't.
00:41:31
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it It is because I can't of of afford a Yes. A real one. a Can't afford a real one. Yeah.
00:41:42
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Yeah, that's right. All right. Well, um ah well, you know, if anyone's not seen the film and managed to actually get this far yeah on a little self-indulgent talk about Blade Runner.
00:41:59
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I've got a couple of things to add. ah Go on. One's a quick thing, because ah last week were talking about, so a week before last, we were talking about um computer games, video games.
00:42:13
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Yes. Well, on Sean Young's list, of things that she's done terms of film and TV series and stuff. She was also a voice in the video game version of Blade Runner.
00:42:31
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So Blade Runner was a video game at some point. Oh, wow. And she gave her voice. She did the the voiceover for, obviously, for um for Rachel.
00:42:42
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Nice. So she listed no i mean um ah What else? Oh, the other other thing is um the guy that plays um very cool. He creates little men. He's called Sebastian, J.F. Sebastian.
00:43:01
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Oh, yeah. In a film, which I love that character. is so cool. One the funny things about him is his his real name is William Sanderson as ah as a as a as an actor.
00:43:14
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And his autobiography is called, Yes, I'm That Guy.
00:43:21
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And he's totally cool with that. Yeah, I'm the guy from Blade Runner in that scene. Wow. and that's it That's pretty much his thing. He does appear, though, I was watching, as as I said before, is watching yeah ER. He does appear in ER as this weird character in ER in the first series.
00:43:40
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Nice. Who hides in cupboards. As you do? Yeah. I wish I could some some sort sometimes, except all my cupboard's all full of stuff.
00:43:53
Speaker
but Right. Sometimes I wish I could just go in in in in in a cupboard, sort of like Narnia style, and then the back opens up, and I just find myself on a beach or something.
00:44:07
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They'd be nice. All right. guys All right. Well, the I think we should, we should, do yeah I think we'll skip the whole so ratings thing because it's not quite so of appropriate.
00:44:21
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um So let It's almost too easy. Let us go to Hopin and we'll go over to a Alexandra's a Haunted haunted in which
00:44:47
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Oh, she's left us a note, Paul. Oh, she was very kind of her. Yeah. So I remember last week we were talking about something and you said, yeah yeah, I couldn't work at a supermarket. Yeah.
00:45:02
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She's just started. She just started. I'm just reading that now. Okay. I've reflected on that, Martin. Yes. Yes.
00:45:13
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By coincidence, as it often happens, there was a guy who was a photographer. i was listening to a podcast about a photographer. He said when he does his normal day job, because his passion is photography, he said, that's when I do all of my thinking.
00:45:30
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Yes. When I'm doing my menial kind of like, you know, job. So I was like, oh, I'm coming around to the idea, actually. it was like ah It was like a job that I could do where I didn't have to use my brain at all.
00:45:44
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It was very systematic in that in that way. So it was like I could think, which was quite nice. i i enjoyed i ah yeah enjoyed doing jobs that I can just, you know, be creative in my mind. Okay.
00:46:04
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So she says that she needs some time to see how it goes, but okay. Yeah, yeah, but it's okay for now. Yeah. Okay. And ah Paul is is on fire at the quizzes lately, and it's always a pleasure listening to you too.
00:46:21
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um
Listener feedback and engagement
00:46:22
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Thank you. Sorry, that makes me... Very happy that you you you enjoy it so much. Yeah, it makes a difference. Yeah. Cool. So, yeah, if you're listening to this, anyone, get in the comments. Get in the comments. Come on. Whether we're good or bad or bad. Yeah, or indifferent. Shut up or stop doing stupid podcasts about films.
00:46:45
Speaker
Whatever. Right. Get in there. um All right. So that just leaves you to finish off that segment by jumping in and saying. Which is which is your feedback is vital to us. And um any comments that you contribute might be read out on a future podcast. Absolutely.
00:47:04
Speaker
All right. brilliant um It is now time for. It's the quiz.
00:47:15
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It is a quiz. It's a Blade Runner quiz. that that it's a blade It's a Blade Runner themed quiz, Martin.
'Blade Runner' quiz
00:47:26
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So just to bring us up to date, the ah current score is a two to you and zero to me. So you're in the lead. No pressure. No pressure.
00:47:38
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Let's see how how we do. So you're going to ask me questions about Blade Runner? Is that right? Right. Yes. Okay. where the player got um I've got a series of of these three facts, okay, from Blade Runner, one of which has been made up.
00:47:56
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Okay? Okay.
00:48:01
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In the iLab scene with Chew, okay. All right. The production actually used um used actual animal organs and vacuum-sealed meats bought from the local market. Okay.
00:48:18
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The heft of the biology felt real because under the hot studio lights, it began to smell quite real as well, apparently. Oof. Okay.
00:48:29
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Yeah. Chew. In the original 1982 theatrical cut, the studio forced a happy ending where Deckard and Rachel drive off into the lush green forest because they had no money left to shoot it.
00:48:49
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Okay? Yeah. There's no money left to shoot that that scene. Okay. So Ridley Scott, what did he do? Very wise man. He used leftover helicopter footage.
00:49:00
Speaker
yeah from stanley kubrick's the shining that's right okay that's okay true okay yeah last one this is based on the origami martin we're talking about before the unicorn origami yes okay left by gaff is the most famous clue in the movie however The origami was almost a butterfly and not a unicorn.
00:49:35
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Gaff made several different animals throughout the film and the choice of the unicorn was only finalized in the edit to match a dream sequence that Ridley Scott decided to return after the principal photography had ended.
00:49:50
Speaker
Right. Yeah, because the the reason why he it's the dream sequence is not in the original is because they were so over budget in the film that and the ah ah different people took over the film and decided to not...
00:50:09
Speaker
include that scene yeah so then when Ridley Scott did the die director's cut and whatever he put it back in um so I'm out of those three i'm gonna say uh that so one of these has been made up right is that oh uh the the sorry what was last one again jesus origami that they changed it in the original version it wasn't a unicorn it was a butterfly
00:50:41
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Yeah, no, i I think that one's false. I think the third one is... is That's correct, Martin. It is false. Okay. Because if it wasn't a butterfly in the original version, it was a spider and not a unicorn.
00:50:56
Speaker
Oh, wow, was it? Yeah. Yeah. right. There you go. Okay, doing well. One up. Good start. Good start.
00:51:07
Speaker
blade runner wasn't the original name in the draft versions of the film right blade runner actually comes from um another film that was completely unrelated but um ridley scott liked it how it rounded in the mouth this is actual words okay like how it sounded it rounded in his mouth blade runner thought it sounded cool right but originally It was called, what was it called, Martin? One of these is false.
00:51:41
Speaker
All right. So it's two are correct. Okay. Okay. All right. It was once called, Martin, it was called Android. Okay.
00:51:53
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In original draft. In another draft version, it was called Replicant.
00:52:01
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Or was it the third option in an in a draft version? It was once called Dangerous Days. Jesus, Dangerous Days?
00:52:18
Speaker
Okay, well, I think it could have been called Replicant, obviously, seeing as that's whole fucking film.
00:52:27
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Dangerous Days or Android.
00:52:32
Speaker
I think is it's the it's the eighty s right? It feels like Dangerous Days is a really 80s sounding movie title, even though, i mean, it doesn't fit, which works because because he was after something that did fit. So I'm going to say that Dangerous Days is the, is you made it up.
00:52:56
Speaker
No. Oh. Dangerous Days was one of the original ideas. replicant I made up. Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:53:08
Speaker
Okay, so one each. It's all on this. It's all on this one. come on This is it a bit of a loose. A loose-themed... ah Blade Runner, OK. You know those little robot robots that were made in Japan in the 1950s made of tin, right? Yeah, Biggest toys, which I always really loved.
00:53:31
Speaker
I went into rabbit hole about how much these things cost. Right. Because I always thought they were really fucking cool, those things. Right. Yes.
00:53:42
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To get like this one particular model right okay that was sold, you have to guess what it cost. OK. OK.
00:53:52
Speaker
Was it $75,000? seventy five thousand dollars jesus christ okay was it one hundred thousand dollars right or 150 000 one of them is correct all right so this is for one of those early tin robots yeah made in japan yeah okay now the general rule of thumb is in a multiple choice where you've got three numbers, yes you always go for the highest number. Is that right? that is gent well
00:54:33
Speaker
because the Because usually the person asking the question wants you to think, oh, my God, that's such a large amount. So therefore I make sure that that the biggest amount is... is ah But your reaction sounds like you didn't think of that.
00:54:52
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So I'm thinking, I'm now going change to 100,000. I'm going to say it was 100,000. I'm going the middle. You talked yourself out of it. No, it was 150.
00:55:03
Speaker
You talked yourself out of it. Come on. Jesus Christ. 150 grand. Oh, I was fooled by your reaction. Yeah.
00:55:15
Speaker
So you're now three up in our out of 10 game. so Yeah. Jesus Christ. Bloody hell. No pressure. Man alive, what's going on?
00:55:28
Speaker
All right. Well done, you. going have to pull my thumb out next next week for next week's episode. Well, I think you're a little bit charitable, mate, in the last version.
00:55:40
Speaker
little bit charitable in the last quiz you gave me. little bit charitable. and All right. That's because i was I sucked so much in the first round.
00:55:51
Speaker
It could have been easy on me. It's like, come on. Got to make it make it a – have to build in some tension here. Yes, exactly.
00:56:02
Speaker
All right. so it's your So let's talk about next week. Next week, Marty, is about – it's ADHD in retirement or slash semi-retirement.
Preview of next episode: ADHD in retirement
00:56:14
Speaker
All right. So, you know, we have a certain age, Marty. We've got one eye, you know. Thinking about you what we're going to do. if like Think about it in terms of, okay, I don't have to on the phone and you know chase up new work anymore.
00:56:32
Speaker
What are you going to do What's that going to sound like, look like? All right. Okay. All right. Let's do that thing. I'm personally looking forward to it.
00:56:45
Speaker
ah What, the ah the episode or or being with you? Oh, yes, I am. I'm curious but to know where you are on that. Ah, yeah.
00:56:57
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I don't know. But, you know, save it for the pod. Save it for the pod. All right, then. Well, that just leaves to say that... Of course, the outro music, Marty. It's the outro music. It is.
00:57:12
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00:57:22
Speaker
Replicant-y. Yeah. um And feel free to correspond at will in the comments. But wait, there's more if you wish to see our beautiful, beautiful faces. Then say forth to the YouTubes and the TikToks. And you can also pick up a quill and email us at ADHDwill at gmail.com. And in the meantime, be fucking kind to yourself.
00:57:40
Speaker
And I have beseech you fellow ADHDers fairly well with gladness of heart. Oh, nice. Oh. You know what? I did, um, I did, uh, a, um, I did a Blade Runner-inspired TikTok post ages ago.
00:57:56
Speaker
Oh, wow. Maybe about a year and a half ago. Okay, haven't seen it. And, uh, and, uh, uh, I did it out out in the dark and had have and had, like, a sort of sprinkler on me, so I was getting wet.
00:58:09
Speaker
Right. And, uh, I thought, you know what? I think I was stripped down to my waist. Right. I think I'll just read out. It was basically an ADHD version.
00:58:26
Speaker
of Rutger Hauer's speech yes at the end. ah huh ah so So I thought what I'll do is I'll just read it out and I'll put some Blade Runner music and and under it, perhaps, if the yeah ah if if it will allow me. um But if not, it's just going to naked So here we here we go.
00:58:49
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this is this is This is what I wrote. um I've started things you people wouldn't believe. attacked attacked Attacked laundry, but only in my mind.
00:59:02
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Watched the groceries sit in the car until I remembered they were there three days la later. all these a stiff All these two her to-do lists will be forgotten in time, like snacks in couch. time is time time Time to stim. Nice.
00:59:24
Speaker
nice get it wass Good. good. That sounds like a really good way to you know go let see out the the the episode of this podcast. Right.
00:59:34
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Yeah, yeah, there we go. yeah There. There you go. That's that.