Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
Could 2024 Ruin Star Wars?
50 Plays1 year ago
This week on the podcast, we're taking a look at what Star Wars has to offer in 2024. From The Bad Batch, to the new Star Wars game Outlaws, to The Acolyte, and even Skeleton Crew! On top of that, we discussed John Williams unretirement, the Battle of the Heroes in The Clone Wars animation style fan-film, and Eman Esfandi's manifestation to get the role as Ezra Bridger in the Ahsoka series..
This is the Wayseekers is a Star Wars podcast, with new episodes every other Friday @ 8:00am CT. Join your hosts Austin SWE and Scotty Holiday SW as they navigate their ways through the Star Wars galaxy.
Follow the Podcast:
https://twitter.com/wayseekerspod
https://instagram.com/wayseekerspod
https://tiktok.com/@wayseekerspod
https://facebook.com/@wayseekerspod
https://threads.net/@wayseekerspod
Listen to the Podcast: linktr.ee/wayseekerspod
Follow Austin SWE:
https://instagram.com/sweaustin
https://twitter.com/sweaustin0
https://www.youtube.com/@AustinSWE3
https://threads.net/sweaustin
https://bsky.app/profile/sweaustin.bsky.social
Follow Scotty Holiday Star Wars:
https://www.youtube.com/@ScottyHolidaySW
https://twitter.com/scottyholidaysw
https://instagram.com/scottyholidaysw
https://threads.net/@scottyholidaysw
https://bsky.app/profile/scottyholidaysw.bsky.social
https://tiktok.com/@scottyholidaysw
Recommended
Transcript
Introduction and Clickbait Title Discussion
00:00:00
Speaker
I'm thinking of titling this video, could 2024 ruin Star Wars? Because that's not clickbaity as hell. Um, well, there's always the possibilities. So you can't really blame me for trying. Yeah, true.
Meet the Hosts: Austin SWE and Scotty Holiday
00:00:21
Speaker
Welcome back to This Is The Way Seekers, a podcast for Star Wars fans by Star Wars fans. My name's Austin SWE, I'm here with my co-host Scotty Holiday. Scotty, what's going on?
2024 Star Wars Releases Preview
00:00:50
Speaker
Hey Bestie!
00:00:51
Speaker
We've got a lot to talk about today. It's 2024 now, so we've got to talk about everything that's coming out this year with Star Wars. We've got information on Star Wars Outlaws gameplay, plus John Williams may or may not be retiring anymore. So there's a ton we're going to get into. I'm excited. Yes, super excited. Scotty, we haven't done an episode since the New Year, since before Christmas. Did you get anything good Star Wars related for Christmas?
00:01:18
Speaker
Yeah, I got some figures. I got some clothes. I got some books. But the one thing that I thought was really hilarious is I got a pop figure. And if you can see it, it's Paz Vizsla. And I opened it and I was kind of like Paz Vizsla. Why the fuck did I get me Paz Vizsla? And then I look and you see what number it is.
00:01:39
Speaker
666. And so I made a joke about it. And he was like, it was literally between this and like an obi one figure, but the 666 is what sold it to get it for you. I was like, that makes this gets so much more meaningful. Yes, it's very personal. I love Paz Vizsla. So I love that you got that because we are Mandalorians.
00:02:00
Speaker
Speaking of Mandalorian, for Christmas, I got the physical releases of Mando season one and season two. Okay, those were expensive. Come on, gifts.
00:02:10
Speaker
I know, right? Thank you, Grandma. Shout out Grandma Penny. We appreciate it here at This Is The Way Seekers. No, but it's really cool to have those on physical media now because we never thought that that was going to be a thing with those shows. You know, they were like so hell bent on making sure you watched it on Disney Plus. So now in 10 years, when they write off Disney Plus for tax reasons, I can make sure that my kids can watch The Mandalorian. So I'm excited. We're up to Willow.
00:02:41
Speaker
All right, so like we said, this episode is our first episode back
New Podcast Format and 'Hot like Mustafar' News Segment
00:02:44
Speaker
in the new year. And with the new year, we're all about resolutions, changing ourselves for the better. And so we're changing the show up just a little bit for the better. We're going to have actual segments and actual format. So we're a little organized in the new year. So sorry about that. Our first segment that we're going to be doing every week is hot like Mustafar, keeping it hot. There's
00:03:10
Speaker
There's so many different topics. There's so many different news related things that come out for Star Wars each week So we're
Star Wars Outlaws Game Details
00:03:16
Speaker
gonna cover them. We're gonna talk about it briefly at the start of each episode So starting off we got some Star Wars outlaws news a game coming in 2024 the core gameplay loop has been revealed by David Cavari the creative director in his interview with Kotaku and
00:03:33
Speaker
Never heard of Kotaku before we had to research for this episode, but you and I both. Shout out to them. They got an interview with David Kavari. Honestly, I feel like there's probably some like nice ass gaming article place. What am I looking for? News website news outlet.
00:03:50
Speaker
You know, we're we're like gamer light, so we try to keep up. Yes. Yes. All right. So the core gameplay loop, that's going to be what we're actually doing in the game. So first off, there will be dense cities that have tons of activity. Lively canteen is that you'll be able to explore and interact with in these locations. You'll see characters from crime syndicates and the empire. And throughout your exploration, you can craft your story.
00:04:18
Speaker
So very interesting there. You know, David Kavari, he specifically mentioned in this that you'll see the crime syndicates mingling with the empire, you know.
00:04:28
Speaker
Showing that they're a little corrupt. Just a little bit, but we already knew that. A little bit nice to see it, though. I know. Second is the exploration of these environments through foot or case speeder. So, you know, we'll get to travel around, walk around. But I'm excited for case speeder because I love a I love a good vehicle to get through quickly. Yeah, a little a little.
00:04:50
Speaker
Not fast travel, but faster travel. Yeah. Yeah. For us impatient folks who are trying to get to that final boss battle. All right. And the third is outer space, just outer space, which will apparently be fully explorable. And not only will it be fully explorable, but you'll be able to move through all of these activities seamlessly, making it a super immersive experience. So, you know, in past video games like Battlefront, for example, Battlefront.
00:05:19
Speaker
Yeah, we know you don't love it. But in there we see like flying and outer space and you know, you can obviously do that. But it's separate from the gameplay on the ground, the fighting, you know, the battles. So I'm excited to like hop in a ship and fly my ass to space. Well, they were supposed to be able to do that in Battlefront. That was one of people's big complaints that that wasn't the case. I'm a little nervous. I don't.
00:05:43
Speaker
Y'all have heard me talk about how I feel about Battlefront, but the only thing I'm gonna say is the space combat.
00:05:50
Speaker
was not amazing for me. So I'm a little nervous about, you know, getting into space in this game. Were you also horrible at it or was it just me? Fucking trash. I was so bad at flying a ship that it took me like two weeks to get through the in the campaign. There's that mission where you're flying like a cloud city car. Oh, God. Yeah. Rough. And I'm not afraid to admit that. All right.
00:06:17
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, we were both playing on easy two and it was still horrible. So hopefully this game, it'll be a little bit easier to maneuver. Yes. Yes. Come through for us Ubisoft. But yeah, that's what we got for Star Wars Outlaws news.
John Williams' Retirement Status
00:06:30
Speaker
Well, something that I'm excited about as a music person is John Williams has said he may or may not be retiring anymore. Initially, he had keys to the Associated Press back in June of 2022 that Indiana Jones' Dial of Destiny was going to be his final score and then he was going to retire.
00:06:48
Speaker
And then come January of 2023, he was talking with Steven Spielberg and saying that he may not retire at all, or at least just retire from scoring anything but Spielberg movies. So then the plot thickens. This past December, when speaking with the Times UK, John Williams specifically said, if a film came along that I was greatly interested in with the schedule that I could cope with, then I wouldn't want to rule anything out.
00:07:16
Speaker
Everything is possible. All is before us. Only our limitations are holding us back. Or to put it more simply, I like to keep an open mind. Okay, grandpa. I know grandpa speaking of you know how old he turns 92 next month. This is still gonna be composing.
00:07:34
Speaker
I know he mentioned only doing Spielberg movies, maybe he's not retiring at all, but fingers crossed the Ray movie. I'd love to continue to get scored by him. I don't know if I need the Mando verse from him, but like the more standalone Star Wars movies, Dawn of the Jedi.
00:07:52
Speaker
He could do so much. I mean, you can't keep an artist down. We don't retire. Look at Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli. He just he's retired like six times. So this was inevitable. But I'm thankful and we appreciate his work so much.
00:08:06
Speaker
Yes, it shows the true passion he has. I mean, 92 years old to still be doing music is crazy. But, you know, the passion is what keeps bringing him back. We saw since his retirement, he's done the Obi-Wan Kenobi main theme. He just did Indiana Jones five. So, yeah, I really hope that he's coming back for this great movie because you've heard the story right of how Daisy Ridley and John Williams, they're pen pals, they're friends.
00:08:30
Speaker
Oh, that's so cute. I love that. Yeah, like during the initial recording for The Force Awakens, he just really fell in love with Daisy Ridley's presence on screen and gifted her the sheet music and everything. And she was there during the recordings of The Force Awakens.
00:08:47
Speaker
I'd cry if I had my own Star Wars theme, but not only I had my own theme, but then the composer like gifted me the sheet music. Like as a musician, I would. Oh, my God, I feel so special. I know people are talking about their hoping that if he does come back, he'll do a theme for Finn finally. So hopefully we'll see him in the Ray movie. Even if he does just does like a couple songs, as long as they get him with the right, you know, the right composer to do the rest of it, I think it'll meld really well.
00:09:16
Speaker
Yes, 100 percent. All right. Next up on here, we have a little fan shout out fan film that I wanted to talk about
Fan-Made Projects and Clone Wars Animation
00:09:24
Speaker
here. I thought was really cool. It's a video by Hello there, and it took him and his team three years to complete. And that video is Anakin versus Obi-Wan from Revenge of the Sith in the Clone Wars animation style.
00:09:39
Speaker
insane. The project, it was first announced on Hello There's YouTube channel on July 20th, 2020, almost four years ago. That was before I was even making Star Wars content. Right. And now it just released on December 29th, 2023. And if that is not fan passion right there, you know, the thing that keeps this fandom alive, then I don't know what is. It's crazy. How many times have you watched it?
00:10:09
Speaker
I watched it once and I've seen the trailers and such throughout the years. It's so impressive, especially when you consider that the Clone Wars was made for a million dollars at least for each episode. So for a fan to be doing this with a small team, what I'm assuming was a small budget, you know, three years.
00:10:31
Speaker
That's impressive. That's really impressive. And, you know, it's one of those things like if Lucasfilm released a reanimation of Anakin versus Obi-Wan in the Clone Wars style. Yeah, it'd be cool. But I'd be like, why are you wasting your resources on not telling news stories? So I feel like, you know, it's great for fans to be able to do something like this. It really shows the passion.
00:10:57
Speaker
Maybe I should DM them and ask them to do Dark Disciple next. Yes. I'm sure they can get that to you in 16 years. Hey, you know, I'm cool with that. Even a trailer, you know, I'd probably cry.
00:11:11
Speaker
Could you imagine that? I would probably cry. I feel like one thing that this short did for me is I was never a huge, like y'all know I don't watch Marvel. That's awesome, that's your area. But I know everybody talks about their what if series. And then there were the rumors about like seeing an alternate kind of thing with Ahsoka confronting Anakin on Mustafar. So seeing this fan film then got me thinking, maybe I would be open to a what if series.
00:11:40
Speaker
Imagine them doing something like that. So it really got the gears turning. And just like you said, that's the great things about fan projects like this is that like the possibilities are endless and it's just a passion that drives us to create. And this is a clear indication of that. It was gorgeous.
00:11:56
Speaker
Yes. Yes. I'm 100% on board with you. I want to see a Star Wars what if, but you know, I want it to be, if they do a Star Wars, what if I want it to be like really creative ideas? Like, yeah, obviously with what if everybody wants to see, like, what if Anakin never turned to the dark side? I want to see that too, but I want to see things like what if you just, you know, changed a little aspect, what would happen to the entire story? You know, like just, just a tiny little thing. Like, uh, what if a different Jedi came and found Anakin Skywalker? How would,
00:12:26
Speaker
his journey. What if Han Solo didn't complete the Kestle run in 12 par 6? Right. He would have got his ego. All right, what we got left for Highlight Mistifar? So the Ahsoka series is a series that keeps on giving. And we got an interview recently with Amanis Fondi with The Hollywood Reporter.
00:12:49
Speaker
Kind of talking about how he landed the role of Ezra, I think one of my favorite things about it was he basically said that he manifested getting this role. He essentially just went in and six months before anything had posted, he went to his manager, he went to his agent, was like, when they post and start casting for Ezra, I want that role and I'm going to have it. And it didn't come off in a nasty way, but he was basically like, this is a role that I really want, that I see myself in.
00:13:19
Speaker
From what we learned when he got the information back, it was for a character named Riz, and he had to film like a top gun scene self-tape, the same one that I guess Natasha had to film for Sabine. And then he sent in his self-tape and got offered the role the next day, which as he put it is like unheard of for TV series, like just getting an offer off of the self-tape. So I thought that was really cool. And like- He brought that Riz to Riz.
00:13:48
Speaker
literally, like, one of my one of the other things that he had mentioned in there is instead of just going and watching rebels, because it's an animated series, he almost treated it like he was doing like a biopic. So instead of just watching Ezra in the show, he researched Ezra and kind of like
00:14:07
Speaker
his home world, his family, the things that happened, what he did. And I know some people get upset when like the actors that come in full live action don't watch these shows. But I also feel like this is a really great way to get into it as well. I mean, as he put it, he was like, I'm not going to be moving around and acting like a character in animation because
00:14:28
Speaker
this is not animation. So he kind of researched and got a feel for who Ezra was, and then brought himself into that. And I think it really shows in the series, like, and knowing that they casted him just off like the self tape, like, they knew that he was like the perfect Ezra for the role. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think I'm honest Fonda, he's got to be the the best actor to
00:14:53
Speaker
portray an animated character within Star Wars that, you know, wasn't originally voicing the character. Um, I, I saw too, like, you know, people in his comments, they were all like, you didn't watch, you didn't watch the full Star Wars Rebels. How dare you? And it's like, one, he did amazing. So whatever he did clearly worked.
00:15:15
Speaker
Right. He took the time to research the character. And it's it's almost more work, I feel like, to do research than just to watch. I mean, both take up time. And of course, but I recommend him for his work that he did, at least the way he did it. Yeah. But the thing is, he responded to some comments saying, well, I watched all of it afterwards. So he knows it now. He knows everything that happened. But it's one of those things where it's like,
00:15:43
Speaker
You know, he really only needs to understand those key, important roles. Ezra is right. Not what what Ezra did in the series, who he is as a character. And it's funny that you mentioned him like not doing Star Wars because he said he didn't grow up with Star Wars. And in the article he mentioned or in the interview, he had said that when Sabine was explaining to Ezra everything that he had missed,
00:16:10
Speaker
Sabine was also explaining it to Imanis Fandi because he didn't go and watch anything. He didn't grow up with it. So of course he said he's watched it all now, but he was like watching this. Yeah. And he was like going back and watching the series. It was just like laughing about it now because now he knows everything that the time he was like, Oh,
00:16:29
Speaker
Huh, that's cool. Something else I wanted to point out, too, is that they did ask about Ezra's future. And it was interesting because Iman Esfandi was like, he thinks, you know, he's going to have a big role between now and the Dave Filoni Mandoverse movie. Obviously, there's an Ahsoka season two. But the interesting part about it is he said with Ezra, he doesn't want Ezra to live on forever.
00:16:57
Speaker
He wants to play Ezra until Ezra's conclusion. So he kind of call out. Well, it's funny because he compared himself to Han Solo and Harrison Ford. Just like he doesn't want to just kind of live on forever. He just wants to play Ezra and tell the story that they're telling. But he doesn't need it to be like, you know, the rest of his life. He is Ezra. And I, I respect that because I'd also like
00:17:25
Speaker
just thinking about it as a fan. I'd much rather see his story rather than having just everything drawn out with Ezra forever. I feel like some people are getting that with a soak of fatigue, but that's a whole different conversation.
00:17:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
2024 Star Wars Shows and Games Overview
00:17:40
Speaker
It's a really nice attitude for him to have, though, because I feel like, you know, in Hollywood, you see so many times a lot of actors are actresses. They have a huge ego. You know, they make sure in their contracts is said that they can't lose a fight in a fucking superhero movie. So it's nice to, you know, hear. Yeah. Yeah. I have no idea that is ridiculous.
00:18:00
Speaker
Yeah. Dwayne The Rock Johnson for that one. But yeah, it's nice to see somebody who's like, I'm here to serve a purpose for a story and, you know, serve this character. And I want to, you know, tell a beautiful story with the character. So shout out to Iman Esfandi. Great guy. Also follows us on Twitter. So, uh, yeah. So Iman, if you're watching, you're great. Thank you for giving us an amazing Ezra.
00:18:28
Speaker
And we hope to see it continue as well. Yes. Well, speaking of continuing.
00:18:34
Speaker
Let's get to our main topic talking about what's happening in 2024. Got lots of shows, some games, books coming out. It's an interesting year for Star Wars fans. I almost feel like compared to some of the recent years with Star Wars, you know, we got like a Obi-Wan Kenobi series, an Ahsoka series, you know, huge things like that that are like huge for Star Wars fans. I almost feel like this year is going to be
00:19:01
Speaker
Not less fun or anything, but more like a breeze. We're getting a lot of new stuff here, like new shows, new eras, new eras. That's what I'm most excited about. We're doing High Republic. We're doing stuff in the prequels. We're doing stuff in sequels. We're doing stuff in the dark times like there's a lot coming up. Yes, I'm excited. So why don't you start us off with what we can expect probably first in 2024?
00:19:29
Speaker
So, of course, we've got the Bad Batch season three, the final season of the Bad Batch, which I know I'm really excited about. I know you're really excited about. Thank you to everybody who filled out the poll on our community page on YouTube. Y'all are all really excited about it, too. So in season two, we kind of left off with Sid betraying the Bad Batch to the Empire.
00:19:51
Speaker
Omega was captured by Dr. Hemlock and taken to Mount Tantus, where she was reunited with Crosshair, though it was a bittersweet reunion because they're kind of stuck there. And the reveal that the scientist that's kind of working with them, Emery, is not only a scientist, but she said she's Omega's sister because she's also a clone, which
00:20:16
Speaker
was kind of insane. Like we all kind of thought it because she had the accent. Yeah. But like that confirmation, it almost added like a really dark undertone to what exactly is going on at Mount Tantus, which already has like a lot of intrigue and mystery, but like darkness. So it's just like another level to that. And of course, we can't forget about sweet baby tech who as far as you know,
00:20:45
Speaker
is possibly dead. But that's something I wanted to ask you. Do you think that he is actually dead? Or are you going to say we didn't see a body and if we don't see a body in Star Wars, then? Yeah. I think it's one of those cases now where they've done it
00:21:03
Speaker
so many times that it's like a little obvious like at this point in Star Wars like I know it's a joke like if you don't see a body then they're not actually dead but I almost feel like going forward with Star Wars because of all the fake out deaths yeah I think that the story almost needs to include something like that like Andor
00:21:21
Speaker
When someone dies, they have to show that that person is fucking dead. Like I feel like in Star Wars, if someone's going to die, you have to show that. Otherwise, I don't believe it. So I'm sure we'll have tech coming back for season three. Also, his voice actor is listed in the thing. So his voice actor. Yeah. His voice actor voices all the clones. He's voicing. He's listed in the casting sheet. Coincidence?
00:21:48
Speaker
I think not. Oh, I I love tech. Echo and tech are my favorite. But I I kind of would prefer tech to be dead because it just raises the stakes. And like you said, like when a character dies and that emotional impact that it had on so many people with tech, you're just going to undo all of that. And the batch, they can't live on forever, unfortunately.
00:22:17
Speaker
There has to be some consequences. Like, did I want Tech to be the one? No. But. You know, after they gave all that development to Tech, it was done for him. I know. It was like, it's either him or Echo because they got pretty popular this season, but.
00:22:35
Speaker
I'm interested to see what happens with Crosshair because he kind of had his turn towards the end of Season 2 and obviously the Bad Batch are going to go rescue Omega but is Crosshair actually going to go back with his brothers this time? I'm interested.
00:22:49
Speaker
Lord knows that I am a sucker for a redemption story. What they've been doing with Crosshair and the Bad Batch, I argue it's some of the best of the Bad Batch, the best of Star Wars altogether. That that Crosshair episode that we're focused on him, especially after like half the season didn't include him at all. Like it was a banger episode, probably the best episode of the Bad Batch, you know. Well, it's kind of like when we get across her episode, at least in season two, it was like, oh, we know this is going to be a really intense one.
00:23:19
Speaker
And I love that. Plus we got the hot clone Mayday, RIP, but on that snowy planet where they kind of got like stuck together and then they were like cuddling and it was cute, but not really because they're brothers. But I was like, Oh, crosshair. Yeah. That was like a starting point. Yeah. I'm excited to see what happens. I've talked about in the past how, you know,
00:23:42
Speaker
Bad Batch, it's not my favorite show of Star Wars, but I feel like everything that they have set up for season three so far, I feel like they're about to really drive it in with this conclusion. And it's nice for a series to get a fucking conclusion. Yes, I was literally, if you didn't say that, I was about to say the same thing. They're actually getting to like get to their conclusion that they planned, which looking at you, Clone Wars, like,
00:24:10
Speaker
Rebels have a true ending. Bad Batch is getting a true ending as well. So I'm happy also for all the people behind the show. Like they get to finish telling the story that they started. So that's great. Yes. Breaking the curse. And that's rare in this day and age, like with all these cancellations. So it's going to be, I think it's going to be good. I think it's going to be heartbreaking, but I'm really excited too. Yes.
00:24:36
Speaker
All right, well, this next series is probably the one that we're both most excited for. I'd say so, yeah.
00:24:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's the gay one. Yes, it's the gay one for us.
The Acolyte Series: Genre and Cast
00:24:47
Speaker
All right. The Acolyte is a new Star Wars show coming in 2024. Leslie Hedlund is show running. There's an entire team of writers on this show, an entire writers room, which is a change of pace from some of the other shows before Andor was the closest. Andor had a five days writer room.
00:25:08
Speaker
And then they all split apart and wrote the episode separately. Well, we see how that went. It went perfectly. But I'm still excited to see a proper writers room. This is more just a call out to John Favreau and Dave Filoni, who insist on writing their entire fucking show, which is in no new voices, no new perspectives, you know.
00:25:31
Speaker
But anyways, the Acolyte, besides being a queer show, it's a mystery thriller that will take viewers into a galaxy of shadowy secrets and emerging dark side powers in the final days of the High Republic era. Shout out. A former Padawan reunites with her Jedi master to investigate a series of crimes, but the forces they confront are more sinister than they ever anticipated.
00:25:59
Speaker
Uh, what are synopsis? I'm excited because, you know, we talked about in the beginning on your Funko pop, it says 666. We know you're a dark girly and you're ready for, uh, you're ready for this dark show. Right. Hell yeah. I am. Yeah. I'm so excited about this show. I mean, just calling it a mystery thriller, like,
00:26:22
Speaker
And I almost feel like this is in what we'll talk about in a second with Skeleton Crew. I feel like for this show, it's selling it, being like, ooh, there's gonna be so much intrigue and it's purposeful. Whereas like with the one we'll talk about in a second, it's just like, we don't know anything about it. Yeah.
00:26:38
Speaker
I'm really excited just to get a, even if it's not a full on dark side story, I'm excited to get a story with dark side elements where it's not just like, oh, here's the villain scenes, you know, because like in the in the prequel trilogy, you know, we have our little Emperor and Maul scenes, we have our Count Dooku and Sidious. So it's just I'm excited to finally maybe get a peek behind
00:27:03
Speaker
the Sith curtain of it. And this is a fun time too, because they're going to be gearing up for, you know, the next phase with it going into, you know, obviously it's before the prequel trilogy, but I imagine like we're going to see things falling into place.
00:27:21
Speaker
I imagine there's phases to the Sith grand plan, so. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm excited to see, too, especially because we know Leslie Headland. She's a huge fan of the Legends expanded universe. Yeah, I'm sure we're going to see some ties into like the Darth Plagueis novel. I hope to read that before before the show comes out. We might need to make that a thing. Well, I have it saved on Spotify as the audio book. It's supposedly free. But yeah, I feel like after reading Shadow of the Sith,
00:27:51
Speaker
I need another darker story. I want more. Yeah. Yeah. And James Luceno, he's he's such an amazing fucking writer. So people love that book. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's time. I think it's time. But leading the show is Amandla Stenberg. Oh, yeah. And she was recently seen in Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. Did you see that movie?
00:28:15
Speaker
No, but I heard it was really good. I pass by it on Hulu all the time. Maybe we need to watch that too. Yep, we got some homework. So we're our non-binary queen. Yes. Joining Stenberg are Lee Jeong-Jae, Manny Jacinto, Daphne Keen, Jodie Turner-Smith, Rebecca Henderson, Charlie Burnett, Dean Charles Chapman, Carrie Ann Moss, Margarita LaViva, and Eunice Suitamo.
00:28:44
Speaker
What a fucking cast, big ass cast. Yeah. Unisu Atamo, my boy Chewbacca, but he's not playing Chewbacca. He's playing a Wookiee Jedi, which, fuck yeah. Yeah, because we know they're so rare and that's been made a point in canon. I know there's, who is it, Buryaga? Buryaga. Who's like the one that's popular in the High Republic. It's not Buryaga. You can't forget Gunji. Can't forget Gunji.
00:29:10
Speaker
We don't know how old Ganji is. I guess he could have been alive. Seems like five. Okay, so then no. No. He'll live a while, but he's not living yet. Did you watch Squid Game? Yes. Because that's where Lee Jeong-Jae is from. Lee Jeong-Jae. And that's kind of where everyone kind of knows his name. I didn't watch it, but I also heard it was really good.
00:29:33
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. I'm really excited to see him in the show. It's really cool. Star Wars has done this a few times, taking a foreign actor, putting them in Star Wars, which is an American, UK centered franchise.
00:29:47
Speaker
And so we're getting like non-English speaking actors in this show or bilingual actors, I should say, because obviously to be in the act light, he would have to speak English at least a little bit. Yeah. I think it's cool that they're doing that because you know, some people.
00:30:04
Speaker
Like any time he showed up at Celebration or stuff, he seems very excited. You know, he has his translator there. And I know there are shitty people, shitty directors out there that would be like, oh, no, that's too much to deal with. We'll just get somebody that speaks English. But I love that it seems like he is just as much a part of the cast as everybody else is. And they're all just having fun together. I'm excited for Jodie Turner Smith. I know nothing about her, but she's fucking stunning. I'm hoping she is going to be a baddie.
00:30:34
Speaker
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's some really cool names in here. Uh, it seems like, uh, Lee Jong Jae is going to be the master with Amanda playing the apprentice. So I'm interested to see it. Sounds like they like.
00:30:51
Speaker
switch sides and whatnot. So that's really cool. We know Rebecca Henderson. She's playing Vernestra Rowe, a character from the High Republic books, which again is really cool to have a director. And I say this every time we talk about the accolade on the podcast, but I'm going to say it again. Of course, the fact that Leslie Hedlund gets, you know, they're trying to make her the next
00:31:13
Speaker
person to hate on for Star Wars and whatnot. The fact that that's the case for somebody who's coming in and literally knows about Star Wars the way that we do, you know, knows the fucking books and is going to put characters from the books into the show. Because why not? Why not? Why not? I think it's something that Star Wars fans should be appreciative of. You know, we read those books and now we're going to
00:31:41
Speaker
be rewarded by seeing them on screen. I think that's really cool. I'm shaking my head in agreement like I actually read them. But one thing I'm curious about, because I do know some stuff about the High Republic, I'm curious if we're going to see her light whip. Oh, yeah. That would be like the first light whip. Well, I don't even know if we've ever seen one in
00:32:05
Speaker
animation or I know we haven't seen it in live action. I'm pretty sure the closest thing that comes to it is like the zigerian like slave whips from the Clone Wars, which I guess you could count that. I don't know if it's that's obviously probably more electric, but I'm excited. I think it'll be really interesting. And she wields a purple lightsaber, right? Yes. Yes. So nice one to watch out because you ain't going to be the only one and
00:32:34
Speaker
Just all the Jedi that we're going to see in this. We've both seen the leaked footage, just that scene of everybody like there's like seven of them just all lighting up their lightsabers. It's going to be going to be mystical, mysterious, thrilling. We have it. Put it in my veins. All right, what do you got next?
Skeleton Crew Series Insights
00:32:53
Speaker
So I kind of already alluded to this, but we also have Skeleton Crew coming out, which, you know, Skeleton Crews are part of the Mandoverse, and it's going to follow the journey of four kids who make a mysterious discovery on a seemingly safe home planet and get lost in a strange and dangerous galaxy. Finding their way home and meeting unlikely allies and enemies will be a greater adventure than they ever imagined.
00:33:15
Speaker
And I know a lot of people behind the scenes are like comparing it to the Goonies, like 80s kind of films like that. And entertainment, yeah. Yes. I was like, what's the other thing that they always say? And what entertainment? And this poor show just keeps getting pushed and pushed. We don't really know anything about it. Like I already said, we just both, I hadn't seen it at all before, but I just sent you last night
00:33:43
Speaker
the part of like the leaked trailer. So that was my first time seeing it. And I thought that it looks very interesting. It almost it's funny. It almost had like an indoor feel to it. Yes. Yes. At least with the the sets and the Republic sets, especially. Exactly. And I really like that. And I mean, we've talked about it before. And it looks amazing. So if shows can pull from that, why the fuck would they not?
00:34:13
Speaker
instead of having everything in a circle vision. So, you know. You know, you know why I think you get that and or feeling from the trailer? It's because I feel like and or does this really well, where it makes it feel very human or very grounded to where it's relatable. Yes. We see things like blue noodles or people going to work.
00:34:37
Speaker
or, you know, things like that. Like we see a neighborhood in Star Wars of like real people. I feel like the same vibe here. We see like an apartment. You saw that shot of like it seemed like they're kind of in some sort of apartment.
00:34:50
Speaker
And then like an office or New Republic facility. Yeah. So it feels very real. That's a good thing to point out for sure, because Andrew was like the real, the first like real life Star Wars story you could say in this new era. And if we get something similar to that again, just in a different time in the galaxy, I think that'll be cool to kind of see what remained, what's changed like within the universe. Right. 100%.
00:35:18
Speaker
Now, the show is created by the MCU Spider-Man director, John Watts, written by Chris Ford. It's supposedly, we kind of touched on this before, going to have a very Spielberg-esque, like E.T. or close encounters kind of feel to it. I know Jude Law's character is most likely like 99% confirmed force sensitive, I guess. Yeah, he's an Order 66 survivor.
00:35:42
Speaker
Okay. I wasn't sure if it had been confirmed yet or not, but I know, I know they said there's a scene from the trailer where he like, or somebody, I don't know if it's him, grab something with the force. And that was like in the trailer. I guess it was cut out from the one that, you know, I just saw. But like I said, that was my first time, but that's really intriguing. People complain if they want about another order 66 survivor, whatever, let them be like,
00:36:09
Speaker
It'll be cool. And from what a lot of people have mentioned, and even in the trailer, you know, we see vein, the pirate, uh, from Nando season three. So it doesn't even seem like it's going to necessarily be really force heavy anyway. Um, other than just kind of having this force user or 66 survivors, kind of more of a, an older mentor to kind of keep the kids safe. Like, I don't know if we'll even see him use a lightsaber and if not, that's fine.
00:36:37
Speaker
It could be like a Canaan situation where, you know, he starts out just, you know, using a blaster, but then there's kind of that big reveal moment. That'd be something really cool to see too. If they pulled off something like that in the show. Yeah. I honestly think skeleton crew is going to be one of the sleeper hits. Like, I don't think that people are going to appreciate it. Like Andor.
00:36:58
Speaker
Yeah, but I think that like when all of this is said and done, I think we're going to look back and be like, we really had it with Skeleton Crew. Like, you know, if they if they would just give us more information about it, give us something to get excited about, like we didn't go to celebration. So like hypothetically, there's no way for us to know anything about it. And they won't tell us anything about it really other than how it's like the Goonies. It's like Amlin Entertainment Films. And it's like, OK, how many times can you say that? Right.
00:37:27
Speaker
Well, since we don't know anything about it, do you want to real quickly hear some of my theories about what it could possibly be? You know I love theories and speculation, so of course. All right. So we know that vein isn't it from Mando season three. And I feel like Mando season three might have been like a backdoor pilot for skeleton crew. Well, it wouldn't be the first time Mando was a backdoor pilot.
00:37:54
Speaker
Right. We know Jude Law is a teacher and we know that these kids are from some sort of school together. What has a school and teachers from Mando season three, Navarro. We know that Vayne has beef with Navarro, so that could possibly be it.
00:38:14
Speaker
Some more connections here. We keep hearing them bring up in the synopsis a galaxy, a dangerous galaxy, which means that it's not the galaxy we know from Star Wars. What show in the Mandoverse just introduced a new galaxy? Ahsoka. Ahsoka and Peridia, yeah. I think that they've been planting the seeds for this show for quite a while now. Well, hopefully we'll find out in December. Yes.
00:38:42
Speaker
December or whenever it comes out. If it's coming in December, it'll be like December 29th. Oh my God. I know they'll be like coming this winter and it's December 31st. Yes. All right.
In-Depth Star Wars Outlaws Game Discussion
00:38:54
Speaker
Star Wars Outlaws. Talk a little bit about it in the beginning, but just a little refresher. It's obviously a game made by Ubisoft said to be the first Star Wars open world game. It's going to be super immersive. You get to tell your own story, you know,
00:39:10
Speaker
play around in the Star Wars sandbox, uh, takes place in between the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi and focuses on the crime syndicates of the galaxy through the eyes of a new, newer scoundrel K-Vess, someone who's just trying to get into that world. I think it's going to be a great fucking game. I think it's going to be cool too. Something I wanted to bring up that we didn't touch on earlier from the Kotaku article is something that was mentioned from the creative director is that we're going to see Jabba
00:39:40
Speaker
And you can work for him. But they mentioned that we'll also see other familiar faces kind of alluding to maybe other familiar crime bosses. We both know we love Kira. You know where I was going with this. So bring us Kira. That's honestly it's not going to ruin the game for me if she's not in it. But like that's one of the big parts about the game that I'm like, please give us like a Crimson Dawn Kira reveal.
00:40:08
Speaker
They keep saying they planned it for the perfect time in galactic history between Empire and Return of the Jedi. And that's when everything was going down with Crimson Dawn's free emergence in the comics. So kind of touching on like what we said about Leslie has Hedlund in the Acolyte, you have this stuff that's already here. Why not bring in what works? You and I have talked about it with Dave Filoni becoming the chief creative
00:40:35
Speaker
Is it chief creative director, someone like that, a officer, the man in charge, the man, the creative man in charge and pulling from what they already have. Of course, we want to see new and we're going to have to Shara, which is like the new planet they're having in the Ashiga clan, the new criminal syndicate. But also like if there's these other things that are going on in the galaxy that are big galactic wide events, you would think they would play into it. So 100 percent.
00:41:05
Speaker
And we've seen, I think it was, yeah, it was Star Wars Explained who did a little interview with the team of Ubisoft and there with them was some story group members like Matt Martin. We know the story group is the team that keeps the continuity of Star Wars, whether they're good or bad at it, that's their job. And they seem very excited with Star Wars Outlaws about telling this story, like you said, within that time period. So I would be very shocked
00:41:31
Speaker
If some of these comic tie ins are not tie ins, but like the comics that take place in between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, if they don't connect to this game in some way, I'm going to be real shocked. Yeah. And because they show Han Solo arriving at Jabba's palace in the trailer, that's literally like the ending of kind of the whole Crimson Dawn battle or the Bounty Hunters comic series. It's all about Kira.
00:41:59
Speaker
Steel and Han Solo from Boba Fett and kind of the fallout from that. Also, I do want to give a quick shout out as well to Alex Star Wars Explained because he also asked them if they knew that Nd5 was sexy or going to be sexy. So I love him for that. That was probably the funniest thing. Like I just like imagine doing an interview with game creative directors and be like,
00:42:22
Speaker
Um, do you know the horny Star Wars fans thought this droid was really sexy? Um, was that planned? Apparently it wasn't. I was very shocked. I was like, so you're telling me you put that tall, slim droid in the trench coat. Skinny, slutty, low waist. And didn't think anything of it. All right. All right. Somebody's clearly queer on the team over there.
00:42:46
Speaker
as they should be.
Tales of the Jedi Season 2 Speculation
00:42:48
Speaker
But moving on from Outlaws, because we've talked about it a ton already, something I'm really excited about too is Tales of the Jedi season two. We don't know a ton about it yet. Just that Dave Filoni confirmed that we're getting it and that it's on Disney's official press releases for the year. We're assuming it's also written by Dave Filoni with six episodes focusing on two Jedi. I know something I've heard a lot about is tossed around as Baelin.
00:43:15
Speaker
Now I'm gonna make a controversial statement and say, I don't necessarily want this to be Balan's backstory told just because it's such a wide universe. And presumably we're still gonna get more of Balan's story in the future. I just think it would be kind of, I don't know.
00:43:39
Speaker
not cheesy, but just like really you want to tell another Bailyn story. Like I love Bailyn and rest in peace Ray Stevenson for his amazing performance and bringing that character to life. But I'm like, that kind of corporate synergy of it all is kind of what makes me turned off towards Bailyn. What do you think though?
00:43:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I definitely get where you're coming from. It's like like I said in the beginning with the Hello There production. It's like it's really cool that a fan did that. But if Lucasfilm did that, I'd be like, come on, we already got revenge. What's going on? So I feel you. But. I can't say I agree because I feel like I knew that was coming. So like with Dave Velloni, like
00:44:24
Speaker
I don't know, it's hard because I feel like he's been put in this box of having to be like corporate synergy, especially now that he's like the boss. But we know with Tales of the Jedi, it's a little different. We know that, you know, Dave Filoni wrote these, well, season one, he wrote it on an airplane. You know, it wasn't like he was, it was almost like he was writing fan fiction, essentially. It wasn't like it was going to be a thing and then it became a thing.
00:44:50
Speaker
So I feel like if it was if there was a Bayland school story, I don't know because I also feel like yes, his story will continue. But how many chances are we going to get to tell his backstory? I mean, they can they can tell it. I don't want them to never tell it. I'm just like, do we need it right now? Well, my thing is like within the Mandoverse, like where unless they did like a Bayland school series, like a school book.
00:45:19
Speaker
Done. You know, they're not going to do that. Well, I mean, they'll I mean, they might write a book, but like they're the mando verse. I mean, first of all, the mando verse, it had books that was coming out and then they all got canceled because well.
00:45:34
Speaker
Did they get canceled because of Gina Carano or because of another relationship behind the scenes? They got canceled and Disney and Lucasfilm did an actual release on why they got canceled because Shadow of the Sith writer Adam Christopher, he was supposed to write the novel for Mando. It's because the story is ever changing that there's no concrete place yet to tell a story and not get retconned.
00:45:58
Speaker
So, and we talked about this before, John Favreau and Dave Filoni, they don't do writers rooms. We know Dave Filoni, he doesn't love a collaboration. So I don't see them telling Balan Skoll's story in a book. And I also, you know, fans aren't going to read that. You know, if they got a Balan Skoll book out, are you going to, are you going to drop all the other books you want to read to read that one first? I'm not reading anything right now. So sure. Why not?
00:46:24
Speaker
All right. Touché. Touché. Can I play devil's advocate then and ask you other than Baelin? Other than Baelin, who would you like to see a Jedi story about? Because we know there's going to be another like, assuming if it's like season one, there's going to be two specific Jedi. They worked in a kind of a parallel before, but they don't necessarily have to do that.
00:46:50
Speaker
Is there somebody else that you want to see a story or think that we're going to see a story about?
00:46:57
Speaker
Um, I want to see Plo Koon because Dave Filoni loves Plo Koon. Yeah. And if we're going to get stories written by somebody, I want it to be a story they're passionate about. And we know that Dave Filoni has talked about in the past how he has Plo Koon stories. I mean, when Ahsoka was announced in Tales of the Jedi, that there was going to be like a baby Ahsoka episode. The first place everyone's mind went to was Plo Koon. He's the one that found her. So Dave Filoni.
00:47:27
Speaker
Dave Filoni has really made me love Plo Koon. Like he's one of my favorite Jedi from like the prequel era. Like obviously I have others, but like in like a collective, he's, you know, top tier for me. I'm still hoping we'll get whatever Barris story was going to happen. We know she didn't become an Inquisitor and I'm like her story is so open ended. I'm not going to say anything about Ventress because we all know how I feel about that. But like kind of the same thing with Barris. It's like, um,
00:47:56
Speaker
Can we get an ending to her story, please? Yeah, yeah. I also would like to see them correct some wrongs, maybe with Rose's character. And I almost... I hate to say it, but I don't see Dave Velloni being the one to correct those wrongs, being that he's the one that did those wrongs in the first place. Maybe his mind's changed over the last 12 years, who knows? You know who could maybe be good at that, speaking of books? Who? Delilah S. Dawson. Oh, yeah.
00:48:24
Speaker
she likes to write violent women and where Barris kind of had that more violent turn, I could see her starting the story kind of in that mindset and then building it out and kind of more bringing Barris to a place of peace by the end of it and back to more of, I guess more balanced would be the best way to put it. I think she'd do a really good job at that.
00:48:48
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I agree. Especially I haven't read Rise of the Red Blade yet, but Phasma. Yeah, I would love to see it. I just need someone that's going to treat her character with nuance. I don't want them to go back and, you know, erase what happened. Like, I don't want them to decanonize anything. But like you said, a story that like brings her to peace for me with Baris, I would want to see her in a soca makeup.
00:49:13
Speaker
Make out? No. I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming. I want to see them make up and maybe make out because Ahsoka, she needs a little something in her life. She has, she's Ahsoka the way now. All she needs is her staff and she's good to go. But yeah, I want to see the makeup too. I need to see them hug it out. Mm hmm.
00:49:34
Speaker
Yeah. All
The Living Force Book Preview
00:49:35
Speaker
right, this next one, The Living Force, a new book coming in 2024 by John Jackson Miller. I'm very excited for this book. I think it's going to be real cool. The synopsis goes as followed. As yet, another Jedi outpost left over from the Republic's Golden Age is set to be decommissioned on the planet, Quen. Qui-Gon Jinn challenges the Jedi Council about the Order's increasing isolation.
00:50:01
Speaker
Mace Windu suggests a bold response. Maybe that's Star Wars Walmart.
00:50:28
Speaker
But the arrival of the Jedi leadership is not seen by all as a cause for celebration. In the increasing absence of the Jedi, warring pirate factions have infested the sector. To maintain their dominance, the pirates unite intent on assassinating the Jedi Council members, and they are willing to destroy countless innocent lives to secure their power.
00:50:50
Speaker
Cut off from Coruscant, the Jedi Masters must reckon with an unwelcome truth. While no one thinks more about the future than the Jedi Council, nobody needs their help more than those living in the present. True. Very interesting story here. I think that this is such a unique idea. Same with the next one we're talking about. These prequel era stories, it's really cool to just see how they're able to
00:51:20
Speaker
find ways to tell new stories within that era. And I also feel like the time between the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, it's, it's a good chunk of time. Yeah. 10 years and it's not really explored ever. So I, uh, I think it's funny that, uh, like we said with this and the Glass Abyss that we'll talk about next, Qui-Gon is getting the spotlight this year. They said, Oh, if Liam Neeson ain't going to come back for shows cause he thinks we're doing too much, we'll just write him in books.
00:51:49
Speaker
So this is really interesting and you know when you know the books over and the Jedi Council come back to report on the mission, Pagan was just laughing being like yeah this is why I told you to get out of your fucking temple and get into the galaxy where like things are happening. It's interesting because I know some people have been talking about in recent years how Mace Windu's kind of been
00:52:14
Speaker
portrayed as a dickhead yeah and I'm hoping that seeing more of him it'll give him more nuance and less of just like the basically I stick to all the rules and you know I just sit in my temple mm-hmm and tell people yes or no all day long yeah I'm hoping that they do some work on his character any more quiet on stories like
00:52:42
Speaker
I love Qui-Gon, so any more of him I'm excited to get. Yeah, he's one of the most interesting Jedi, and I think that it's very telling that every time they tell a prequel story, it's like, how can we involve Qui-Gon Jinn? Especially in these books. He got his backdoor pilot and killed the Jedi. Like, oh, they loved him.
00:53:03
Speaker
So let's give them more. Yeah, I'm really excited about the dynamic here to really explore the Jedi Council and how they work together. Because it's like the way John Jackson Miller has described it is that it's like a road trip.
00:53:19
Speaker
You know, like a family road trip. They're not going to get along. There's going to be. Yeah. Are we there yet? Like all that type of shit. And so I'm really excited to just see how that how that works. And one thing that I think is really cool about pretty much all these stories that that are kind of taking shape in the prequel era and also the high republic era. It seems like the main goal of this era is to tell
00:53:45
Speaker
the story and enrich the story of how the Jedi felt, how they lost their way. And so you have stories like this or like the Acolyte talking about how we're going to explore how the Sith came in or this one talking about an outpost from the Republic's Golden Age. It's set to be decommissioned, and that's kind of the catalyst of this story.
00:54:05
Speaker
the Republic's Golden Ages, the High Republic. And again, this is going to really dive into what separates Qui-Gon Jinn from the Jedi Council, which is a huge reason, you know, a huge way to look into why they fell. So I'm excited for them. Well, and we know, too, like in Clone Wars season seven with Trace and Rafa Martez, like they talked about how the Jedi basically did not show their faces. And when, you know, the thing happened with their parents in Luminaro,
00:54:34
Speaker
We assume Luminar, but it's like all that confirmed was just kind of like, well, it was the will of the force. Have a nice day. So it's like they just sit in their office all day and they've kind of stopped being. I mean, I almost in peacekeepers. Yeah, they've gone all political here. They got woke. The council, they got the opposite of woke. They were woke. Now they've gotten more conservative. The red pill.
00:55:04
Speaker
I just also hope, like, give Appa Rancis something to do, give Yarl Poof something to do. Like, I mean, Master Rancis, as Scott mentions in Jedi Survivor,
00:55:18
Speaker
And he had a model in the Clone Wars, but we didn't go on any missions with him. We didn't go on any missions with the Aral Poof. And there's some of the people that I feel like are more unexplored. So I'm hoping, I'm talking about how it's going to be like a family road trip that we're maybe going to get an insight into where each master is with the state of the galaxy with this mission specifically as well.
00:55:39
Speaker
Well, there's one thing that John Jackson Miller said, which is that every person on the Jedi Council will get a point of view chapter. Hell yeah. Which is gonna be interesting to see. Like, Light of the Jedi, first High Republic book. Love that book.
00:55:56
Speaker
But one of the things I always struggle with is like, who is the main protagonist of that book? And there's so many different perspectives that it gets confusing.
The Glass Abyss Book Preview
00:56:07
Speaker
But I think with all of them being on a mission together, it'll be less telling different stories and more like telling the same story through their perspective. I agree. I think A Shadow of the Sith helped me.
00:56:21
Speaker
when it comes around to jumping around in different perspectives. So I feel prepared to thank you, Adam Christopher. But, you know, we keep we keep talking about it. We're getting these stories set in the prequel era. I already mentioned it, The Glass Abyss by Stephen Barnes. We're also getting that this year. According to the synopsis for this book,
00:56:43
Speaker
The Jedi are reeling from Qui-Gon Jinn's sudden death at the hands of the Sith. Jedi Master Mace Windu's feelings about Qui-Gon have always been complicated and have not been made any simpler in depth. While they often disagreed, Mace valued Qui-Gon's unique perspective and their shared dedication to the Force made them allies. Without Qui-Gon and his unorthodox views, Mace feels out of balance. I'm very interested to see if these two books that we're talking about are going to play into each other at all too.
00:57:13
Speaker
Because once again, we got this is going to be a bit of a Qui-Gon story. You know what I mean? Even though it's going to be Mace Windu kind of following in his footsteps. It's going to be a homoerotic novel between Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu. Oh, well, we do know that.
00:57:32
Speaker
maybe we'll get like a background chapter of them having some angry like sex post their mission. Right. I mean, we know that Miss Windu doesn't show feelings very much. But in this synopsis, it's like he's being a little crybaby about his long lost boyfriend. Well, they just say, you know, his feelings about quite gonna have always been
00:57:52
Speaker
complicated. Speaking of, while considering his fallen friend's legacy, Mace is surprised to receive a final message from Qui-Gon marked to be delivered to Mace on the event of Qui-Gon's death. So this shit was already planned, like Qui-Gon specifically recorded this message for him, and it's a plea to help the Outer Rim planet of Metagos. Oh yeah. These planet names in these books are a little odd to me.
00:58:21
Speaker
Matagos and what was the other one, Quinn? Yeah. Interesting. But, you know, with the mace, when you story, he's going to travel to the planet, infiltrate the enemies of the here's another funny, the Saad. As a apostrophe 80. OK, let's talk. But the big thing about it is in the synopsis and on the article about it on Star Wars dot com and what I'm most interested in.
00:58:51
Speaker
Is that mace going on this mission is going to force him to kind of To his limit with his boundaries in the jedi code challenging his beliefs in his relationship with the fourth uh, the force itself And that's where I think maybe if we don't get this kind of more humanization of mace windu in the living force We may see a more human and nuanced side of mace after he goes through this experience because it's kind of like
00:59:19
Speaker
In Jedi fallen order, you know Cal is following in the footsteps of Cordova in this book mace is gonna be falling in the footsteps of Qui-Gon and we know they are completely different Jedi so and the way they go about being a Jedi so it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a good story and I think the mace windu fans and
00:59:40
Speaker
especially the ones that are upset at his portrayal as of late, I think this is going to be really something for them to really enjoy. I think we'll enjoy it too. I mean, are you excited about it? A hundred percent. Mace Windu, he's a character that, like you said, he's been through the wringer the last few years in terms of, you know,
01:00:01
Speaker
fans being fans of him. But I think that it's something that Clone Wars does a lot, like I've talked about with Count Dooku. They take one aspect of what we see in Attack of the Clones and then
01:00:16
Speaker
ramp it up for some reason. It's the same thing here. You know, they saw in Revenge of the Sith how Mace Windu kind of was dismissive of Anakin and such. Yes. And they were like, that's his trait, which is funny because, you know, I just remember seeing Attack of the Clones deleted scene where Mace Windu is actually defending Anakin Skywalker, the Obi-Wan being like, you need to trust your paddle on.
01:00:40
Speaker
So I don't think that it was like always intended for Mace Windu to be like a total asshole until the Clone Wars. Like even in Shatterpoint, he's not like that. I always took it more of and kind of how they portrayed him in Tales of the Jedi. He's just more strict when it comes to the rules, which is interesting with the whole the pod thing and like channeling someone else's dark side against them and all that. It's like you think he would be more open to just different perspectives, but
01:01:11
Speaker
I think that also falls into the downfall of the Jedi itself. And he's like, the high council's like, they're the leaders in charge of the way the order's working, so.
01:01:20
Speaker
And I think that when people look at like the faults of the Jedi and how they lost their way, I feel like Mace Windu has really become like the personification of that. Not even scapegoat so much as just like, you know, the things that he inhabits, the things that he, the way he acts is exactly the way, is exactly the reason why the Jedi are like,
01:01:48
Speaker
losing their way. They just have this tunnel vision. They feel like what, you know, fuck the Jedi, man. That's, that's all I got to say. Steven Barnes, do your work. Yes.
High Republic Phase 3 Discussion
01:02:02
Speaker
Yes. And finally, the last thing happening in 2024, maybe not the last thing. I feel like there's the possibility of them announcing something and then it comes out a few months later, but the higher public phase three will continue in 2024 started in 2023. We'll end in 2025. It'll mostly come out in 2024, the higher public phase three dealing with the damages of phase one, the fall of starlight beacon, the nihole fucking everything up.
01:02:29
Speaker
And what are the Jedi going to do? How is the High Republic Phase 3 going to lead into the Acolyte or some of these projects we've seen recently, like Jedi Survivor? Will we get to see Dag and Gera in the High Republic? Oh, yeah. That get me to jump into a High Republic book real quick. You only have 27 novels to read before that one, so you can understand it fully. I'll just watch a YouTube review. Yeah, that's hard to explain.
01:02:58
Speaker
doing my research like I'm honest, Fondi. Yes, you're going to you're going to research Dagen Guerra as if you're in a biopic. Love that. Yeah. And then I will be playing him. So watch out. Sorry, Cody Fern. Well, if you're going to tell neither of us read the higher public, but we're happy for those that do. I'm excited. Everybody I hear talking about it is like just loves it. And I'm upset that I don't read it, but
01:03:25
Speaker
I didn't read when it started, so now I'm kind of fucked. I'll get to it in six years, like when I got into Shadow of the Sith and just read that. And in six years we'll do a collective episode about the higher public.
01:03:39
Speaker
No, but I really think that once the acolyte comes out, I think more people are going to get into it. And we saw that a little bit with Jedi Survivor. Saw a lot of people that were like, let me jump in now. Now that it's plaguing the entire Star Wars universe, let's make sure we understand what's going on. Also, I said plaguing. It makes it sound negative. I like the heart public. The books I read. Plagus? What?
01:04:05
Speaker
I like the higher public books that I read, but like Scotty said, it's just a lot. I did this last episode. It's like I started out there like, all right, this phase is going to be three novels. There's going to be like a few comic series and you have six months to read all of this. Then the second phase, they were like, all right, here's.
01:04:26
Speaker
Nine books. Here's 12 comics. There's a VR experience now. And there's a manga and all this other shit. Now we got the animated series backlight coming out. Man, I can't keep up with that. I'm just hoping Leslie Headland will let me know everything that I need to know. Yeah, sure. And I'm excited for everybody. Everybody I talked to has been they'd like listen to the audio books and I'm like, that's how you'll get through this shit.
01:04:53
Speaker
That's how you stay up to date, but I can't be listening to an audio book and doing anything else or else I'll be tuning it out. So yeah, that's exactly my problem. I'll try to do the dishes or whatever. It's weird. Cause like, if I'm listening to a podcast or something, I'm fine. Like I can grasp it. So I have to hone in when it comes to like books. I just have to be like, yeah. So what happens when, uh, we, we didn't grasp, uh, comprehension until the 12th grade.
01:05:20
Speaker
Shout out to my bestie, Kendra. She got me a book light so I can read in bed and not like be wide awake. So maybe we'll see how Republic students and later. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot to ask this, but I should have asked it before. Do you plan on reading the living force and the glass abyss in 2024? I do plan on reading the living force. Glass abyss. I'd like to read.
01:05:49
Speaker
But that may be like, I got this book and then I read it a year later because I'm interested in it. But this one just not my favorite character. Yeah. So I don't necessarily need. It's not. I have friends from more mates. One of my friends is a big Mace Windu fan. So I'm going to try to get him to read it. Nice. Nice. Yeah. He'll love it.
Fan Poll Results on Bad Batch Season 3
01:06:13
Speaker
But yeah, that's 2024 for ya. We asked you guys on Twitter what you were most excited for in 2024 out of all the projects we just talked about. Here's some of what you guys said. Nail for now says, the Bad Batch season three. I'm ready for them all to come back together and live their lives on Pabu as one big happy family. Honestly. We can only hope. I wanna be there too.
01:06:38
Speaker
But with the way Bad Batch is going, I feel like they're trying to break our hearts. So we'll see what happens. Starlight Andrew says, definitely got to be the acolyte for him. I'm excited for something completely different in terms of live action shows. Agreed. Same, Andrew. Yeah.
01:06:57
Speaker
I think that, you know, with it being an era that hasn't been explored in live action, you know, with bringing in elements we've seen before, but also making something refreshing and new, I think it's going to be great. I think the acolyte is going to be Andor with the fantasy elements. Andor with the force. Yep. Yeah, exactly.
01:07:19
Speaker
So yeah, and on YouTube, we did a little poll asking you guys same thing. And our winner with 51% of the votes is the bad batch season three. 51% of people are super hyper bad batch season three. I wonder if that's just because
01:07:37
Speaker
that is the only familiar project really in 2024 honestly i didn't think about that before and now part of me kind of does but i feel like people really love the bad batch like we love animation but there are just like hardcore star wars animation fans specifically that love those characters like i love them but
01:07:57
Speaker
I kind of love it all. Whereas I feel like there's some people that are just people really like the bad batch. Yeah. So I was I was surprised. But yeah, I mean, it's a good surprise.
01:08:13
Speaker
Like within the fandom, there's all these sub fandoms, you know, like we have the Raylou's, you know, like, it's the clones. Yeah, the clone fandom is one of the biggest ones, the clone fuckers.
01:08:29
Speaker
Well don't worry y'all we'll be covering the bad match every week when it comes out so hopefully you'll be able to enjoy it with us and keep up because it's gonna be a lot but it's gonna be
Fan Questions on Dave Filoni's Involvement
01:08:38
Speaker
good. 16 episodes. Alright let's answer some questions every week on the podcast we're gonna be answering some questions you guys can ask these questions to us on Twitter and respond to any tweet from us you can
01:08:49
Speaker
Swipe up on our stories on Instagram comment wherever we're posting things So just just follow us on social media and you might get your question and you don't want to miss anything. Yes All right. Kralen 27 from Instagram asks. Do you think Abiloth is the one calling to Bailin school? Sure, why not? Before Dave Poloni Dave Poloni Dave Poloni
01:09:16
Speaker
Um, before Dave Filoni's promotion, I'd say probably not, but afterwards he'll bring the weird. So I don't think it's out of the question. Uh, we know that they're pulling from legends. If they can, if they have a place for it to fit in the current cannon, they're not afraid to pull from it. So I could see it, but
01:09:41
Speaker
I don't, I don't see why not. Um, cause like you said, if it connects, if it's something that exists from legends and you can find a place for it, why not? I mean, we see him standing on a mountain Mount Rushmore of the ones. Mount Mortis. Mount Mortis.
01:10:00
Speaker
And obviously, Abiloth is connected to Mortis. So there you go. I also thinking about the themes of and I don't know a ton about Abiloth, but I know she was cast out of Mortis essentially. Right. And they call her what is it? Mother of Chaos. Yeah. And it's almost like that'd be pretty poetic for Bailin to be searching for this kind of higher power, but almost like him.
01:10:26
Speaker
it's kind of fallen from what it was initially set out to be so i feel like there's definitely a connection there that can be made between the two characters for sure yeah just have to wait and see but i i definitely am not opposed to the to the abilah thing my only concern is just like
01:10:44
Speaker
everything with the Mandoverse. I'm like, where do they have a place for that? But I think a lot of that comes with, we don't really know what's next. We know there's a skeleton crew. We know there's a Mando season four, and we know there's a movie. There could be 10 projects in between then. There could be no projects in between then. We don't really know.
01:11:04
Speaker
ARH underscore SR underscore 83 asks, do you think Dave Filoni would have done a better job with the Ray trilogy than Kathleen Kennedy? I'm assuming you mean the sequel trilogy. If that's the case, no, Dave Filoni, he's not a producer. I'm assuming the person that asked this question thinks that Kathleen Kennedy wrote and directed the movies, which is a common misconception online.
01:11:30
Speaker
My thoughts on it, and I'm just going to talk about Rey as a character and kind of that trilogy.
01:11:38
Speaker
I don't know because, yeah, he did Ahsoka, but he did seven seasons of her and did not get it right at the start and countless episodes. And he went into it knowing he was going to have all this time to tell his character. People like to compare Ray and Ahsoka and the development that each character got. But like you can develop a character in a movie like you can in seven series of a show, even three seasons.
01:12:07
Speaker
So I don't know. And then I'm like, are they maybe asking about the new Jedi Order movie that may be a trilogy? Yeah, but in that case, he's gonna be involved. So I was gonna say we've talked about this, you know, off of the podcast, but
01:12:22
Speaker
I like the idea of him being involved, so maybe we can get some of that cohesiveness between characters that may still be around. If they have somebody from animation, they can pull in, because that was missing in the sequels. They said fuck everything but the original trilogy, essentially. Those are our only connections.
01:12:39
Speaker
Yeah, I think a better question here would have been, would Dave Filoni have done better than JJ Abrams and Ryan Johnson? To which I would say there's areas where I think he would have done way better and there's areas where he would not have done good at all. 2015, he'd only directed a handful of episodes of The Clone Wars. Obviously, he's the showrunner, but he's only directed and written a handful of those episodes.
01:13:03
Speaker
I think that as the writer of the sequels, I think he would have brought in something closer to what George Lucas was looking to make. Something more mystical. Right. But in terms of directing, if Dave Filoni was the director, the movies would be 100 times worse than they are because that wasn't his thing until now.
01:13:24
Speaker
which a lot of people don't realize that that's something Kathleen Kennedy, when she became in charge of Lucasfilm, that was one of her biggest things was, let's invest in Dave Filoni. Let's get him to the point where he's telling live action shows and movies, because he's the key to all of this. But we can't just throw him into it, because that's not fair. And I think fans would have hated Dave Filoni if he directed the sequels, he would have been garbage.
01:13:51
Speaker
don't forget to anytime Dave or john does anything in their mandover shows that fans don't love they're already like oh they're horrible they're dumb get rid of them and it's like oh but then two days later like give them the key to star wars like
01:14:08
Speaker
people, man. But we appreciate the question nonetheless. Yes, we do. And like we said, follow us on social media and you get your question answered. Also, feel free to comment in the YouTube comments on any episode. We're going through them. We're going to get your comments, questions answered because we want to interact with y'all.
Episode Conclusion and Audience Engagement
01:14:26
Speaker
All right. But this has been a fantastic start to the 2024 season of This Is The Wayseekers, an amazing episode, kind of looking at what we'll have to look forward to this year.
01:14:37
Speaker
a jam-packed episode. It's so exciting. Yes, yes. We'll be covering all of this this year. We really want this podcast this year to feel like a companion piece to Star Wars, like you come to us to know what's going on in Star Wars. And so we're really excited to be covering the Bad Batch, Acolyte, Star Wars Outlaws, Tales of the Jedi, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:15:02
Speaker
Well, to make sure you don't miss anything this year with all the stuff we're covering, make sure you follow us on social media. Leave us a rating where you get your podcasts and may the force be with you always. Bye.