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Open Mic 23: Gold, Bars & Hooks
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The MVP is back for the New Year to bring you the entertainment you deserve. On this episode he sits down with one of the leading Wrestling & Hip Hop content creators out there, Sir Jon Lee aka "Gold, Bars, & Hooks". They talk about the meaning behind the name, the current state of black wrestlers, producing music, and how hip-hop has made its way into the modern wrestling era.
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Marco's Wrestling Podcast Journey
00:00:21
Speaker
Who the hell told you tonight was open mic night?
00:00:37
Speaker
Welcome, everyone, to another episode of Open Mic with the MVP Marco. I am, of course, your host, the MVP Marco. What a crazy run this has been. I've been back-to-back interviews like crazy. This is something I told myself I wasn't going to do constantly, but it's just I get inspired, I see people I want to talk to, and I make it
Inclusive Podcast for Nerds and Wrestlers
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Speaker
happen.
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Speaker
This show, if you listen to it so far, it's like I said, it's based in wrestling, but it can go anywhere. I discriminate against nobody in the nerd culture or wrestling culture. Everyone's welcome on the show.
Collaboration with Pod Foundation
00:01:15
Speaker
But anyway, before we get to my guests, the Pod Foundation, that's who brings us to you by way of the Chick Foley show. The Pod Foundation is obviously the Chick Foley show, myself, Sheena, Seth, and Jordan, the Fig God, as we call him.
00:01:31
Speaker
Uh, the extra cooler show with Nick and Matt and the rest of his team, as well as the turnbuckle tavern. Uh, the other guys that, you know, like I said, they're the work horses. They have a podcast literally every day of the week, including Thursday. I'm a part of that as well. I played, I double dip. I have, I'm on this show. I'm on chick Foley show. And I'm on the turnbuckle tavern feed with, uh,
00:01:54
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with J-Bone from coming down the aisle who rounds out the Pod Foundation. But yeah, definitely check us out every Thursday, eight o'clock on YouTube, the Turnbuckle Tavern. We cover all things that are happening in the WWE universe. We're the only show on the Turnbuckle Tavern that does that. So definitely check us out. It's a fun listen. But let's get to my next guest.
Guest Gold Bars and Hooks: Music in Wrestling
00:02:16
Speaker
So this is someone that I've been trying to get for a while, just following his content.
00:02:23
Speaker
The stuff he does with wrestling clips, infusing music with it, mainly hip-hop, which is what I love, what I grew up on. So wrestling and hip-hop, when you put those things together, it's magic. And you're starting to see that now, especially in today's wrestling culture.
00:02:43
Speaker
with the greatest athletes that they have out right now, like black athletes. You have Swerve, Bianca, soon to be Jade Cargill on WWE. But obviously, if you haven't seen her in AEW, definitely check out her work there and stuff like that. So we're taking over the wrestling world. So let me bring in my guests. He goes by gold bars and hooks. How are you, sir?
Hip-Hop's Impact on Wrestling
00:03:09
Speaker
Good, man. That was a cool intro.
00:03:13
Speaker
I try to, I don't like, I don't write out any of the intros that I do. I try to like do it on the fly. And a lot of people love the intros that I do. So I try to, you know, give all the props I can without, before you get on. But yeah, I know definitely, like I said, we were kind of talking before the show and your account is definitely one that I've, you know, I've wanted to do. That was something that like, I envisioned what mine would look like. A lot of like, you know, vintage wrestling clips, old wrestling clips, mixed with music, maybe some pictures of myself, that type of stuff.
00:03:42
Speaker
you know, anything else I had going on, but you definitely, uh, you definitely took the ball and ran with it and stuff like that. So, Oh man, I appreciate it. Yeah. No, I'm very, I'm very thankful that, you know, someone actually took that, did that idea that, that I had. I was like, damn, he, he does it so well. So I don't even want to, you know, copy you. I'm just going to do it, man. The more, the more we get that combination going, like it's better. Like let's do it.
00:04:11
Speaker
Yeah, yeah,
Renaissance of Black Wrestling
00:04:12
Speaker
definitely. I've had an old man, Rucker, as he's called on Twitter. He's from Boot to the Face podcast. We had some discussions on, you know, I asked him what he thought the climate was with Black wrestling.
00:04:29
Speaker
nowadays is it you know is it different is it you know has it changed from the past you see changes and stuff like that obviously you there's a lot more uh black athletes that are on on television now a lot more they're getting a lot more shine um so what do you what do you think what is yours what do you think the status is right now like does it can it still grow some more is it where it should be what are your thoughts on that i think i think we're in a renaissance to be honest with you because i remember
00:04:58
Speaker
When I first started my page in 2013, it wasn't too much going on. And even with the content creators and the personalities, it wasn't a lot going on with us with that either. Because it was kind of a dry spell. A lot of people
00:05:18
Speaker
I talked to, there's like, ah, it's, you know, it's fake, right? And then I would find myself showing them, hey, what do you think about, like, Trinity? Or what do you think about her? Oh, she's beautiful. Yeah, check her
Creating Wrestling Content: Consistency and Creativity
00:05:33
Speaker
out. Watch her. She's on, she's on Raw and SmackDown and stuff. And people would start doing, you know, going to that. But, like, I remember even for a while, like, me and my buddies, we used to go, like,
00:05:47
Speaker
It was 2014. We went to some Rawls in LA, and then we went to a SummerSlam. And I remember, because my friend, he had dreads. And it was like, even on the fan side, we were kind of like a dot. And I remember one of the guys was like, hey, it's the new day. It's Kofi. My friend had dreads, so he was like, oh, it's Kofi. OK.
00:06:15
Speaker
You know, because for the longest, I didn't even show my face on that account. It felt like it would...
00:06:22
Speaker
be too weird or whatever. I think right now, where is that? You look up, like you said, Jade, you've got Mercedes, you got Trinity on TNA, you got Swerve, you got all these guys. I can't remember his name. He's on TNA. He just won the tag titles.
00:06:47
Speaker
Oh, man. I'm horrible. I'm horrible with names. Yeah, me too. I just like you look in the way the way that they're presenting Jade, like. Yeah, like she's.
00:06:59
Speaker
A big deal, man. Yeah, that's one of the things that I definitely noticed with like, especially WWE, I mean, obviously they've grown with like the women's division and stuff like that, but like, I know a lot of people were kind of upset with Jade, like the announcement of it, because they wanted to be like a secret and like, you know, she just appears, I'd wear a rumble, but I think they did it the perfect way. Like you present her as the star that she is and who they're.
00:07:25
Speaker
I see that for some reason I see them putting her as like a like a like on the Roman Reigns level like giving her like really like she has that like that quality like it when you see her on TV it's like it's unmistakable the star power that she has obviously missed opportunity on the AEW side but I mean I saw that star stuff when she was in AEW I was like yo
00:07:48
Speaker
This is a law. This is a layup right here. That's a slam dunk. And I mean, they still have a thing over there and stuff, but-
00:07:58
Speaker
It's just, you know, we killing it right now. Yeah, definitely. The content creators too, the personalities too right now, it's a lot of us. See, I didn't have, I was the only one for the longest, you know? Like, I felt like, well, I wasn't aware of it, you know? Yeah. There's probably some people out there, but I felt like I was the only one like, dang, like, but now it's a lot of us out here, so I'm glad, it's awesome.
Evolution of Wrestling Media
00:08:27
Speaker
So who have you, who have you run into as far as like content creators or black content creators in wrestling? Cause I like, I know you, well, I know you now, but like I, I, I followed your page. King Coley is another one that I follow with, you know. Yeah. It's a lot more us on Twitter than it is on Instagram. Okay. I feel like, I feel like there's a lot of people from Texas
00:08:54
Speaker
yeah okay yep like uh i can't remember all the names rucker yeah like you said old man rucker boo to the face he's uh yeah he's from texas
00:09:03
Speaker
So yeah, but one of the first people I ran into was a random ramblings with Rob and he had, he didn't, he wasn't, at the time he didn't have a just wrestling show. He was just doing a lot of different things. And then he eventually started doing a wrestling show and he's the one who hit me to a lot of stuff like, yeah,
00:09:28
Speaker
the Bounty Hunter and stuff like that. So Rob was like, when was that? Like 2017 I met him. Because back then I had a podcast, me and my buddies, we did a podcast alongside, and I just ran the page and then we did the podcast together.
00:09:48
Speaker
So like, I've run into a lot of people like the wrestling classic.
Hip-Hop and Wrestling Fans Unite
00:09:54
Speaker
We kind of, you know, he's not black, but he was one of the first people I've met on Instagram. You know, he was like one of my, the first friends I met made on there. Like he came, he came, I think either a little before me or a little after me. And then I just saw him blow up and he always be like, hey man,
00:10:17
Speaker
Let me shout you out. Let me put you on my page and shout you out. Put your podcast on my website. That's always been cool. That's a cool relationship. But yeah, for the most part, it's just randomly. I just be absurd people. It's never like I'm here. Yeah, definitely.
00:10:45
Speaker
Yeah, I have a yeah, I interviewed actually interviewed Justin a couple. It was it was like maybe a month ago or so. He reached out to yeah, I reached out to him. He's he's friendly with Sheena Chick Foley, who's, you know, yeah, I cast him on. So I reached out to him, not through her. I just reached out to him randomly and said, hey, maybe maybe I can get him, you know, get to do an interview with him. Yeah. Well,
00:11:08
Speaker
Yeah, that podcast was actually like, I think it's like two hours. It's like two hours and 20 minutes. We were just talking about a ton of different stuff. He was an awesome dude. He's one of the first or second people I started following early in the, like you said, early in the Instagram days, there wasn't really any wrestling content at all. It was maybe like
00:11:31
Speaker
It was like really like him, Chick Foley, I think Extra Cooler as well, who does art and stuff like that.
00:11:40
Speaker
They all started helping each other out. I remember I followed Justin through Chick Foley's page because she bought one of his first wrestling classic shirts. And she posted a picture of her wearing it. And then she tagged him in it. Then I clicked on that. And that's how I found out about him. And then, obviously, I've been following him ever since. Yeah, he's on another level when it comes to wrestling content. I feel like with him, especially, and a few others, but especially him,
00:12:09
Speaker
I don't think it's understood or stated that you know the risk
00:12:18
Speaker
casual fan being brought back to wrestling.
Role of Content Creators in Wrestling Nostalgia
00:12:22
Speaker
Yes. The responsibility of that was like lies on his page, you know? Yeah, yep. Yeah. Like he said, yeah, he did say that like the, you know, the people that, you know, when he was getting like, uh, you know, DMs from like wrestlers and all this stuff, like when he first started, cause he was posting all these like clips and he was posting like pictures, like vintage stuff. And he didn't, people reached out like, Oh my God, I forgot about this. Or like personally, like the people that like he posted,
00:12:47
Speaker
be like, Oh man, I totally forgot about, or just being people that are like, you know, wrestling fans in general or, or wrestlers that are obviously still fans themselves. And they just reach out to me like, Oh man, this is great. Keep it going. So like he was getting that, like, you know, he was getting that like influence on the outside, not just, you know, us, you know, as regular, like, you know, wrestling fans following him, he was getting it from the, you know, from the people within that, you know, in the community. So,
00:13:11
Speaker
Yeah, that definitely helped. And he's worked hard. The other thing too is I want to ask you about this. It looks easy, you know, posting content and all that stuff. But if you take a guy like him, he started way back in 2013, 2014, and it's 10 years. It took him a while to get where he is as far as that goes.
00:13:32
Speaker
Can you explain your process? Obviously, you said you started your page way back then. What's it been like? Were there setbacks at some point where you're just like, I don't want to do this anymore,
Creative Process: Music and Wrestling Blend
00:13:44
Speaker
this is not? Yeah, there's been a lot of times. I actually went by a different name. It was Wrestling Junkies when I first started. Oh, yeah, that's right. I might have been following you forever then.
00:13:57
Speaker
Yeah. So I had to change things and evolve as the time would buy. Because when we first started, we're just posting pictures. There wasn't video too much. And then video came. And then we only had how many seconds? 20, 30 seconds. Yeah, I was very small. Then it went to a minute.
00:14:19
Speaker
And for a while, I did stop. When my dad passed, I stopped for a while. And I stopped for a minute. I think in 2019, I stopped for a bit. But then after a while, it was like, ah, you can't just
00:14:42
Speaker
post pictures anymore. You need to show your face. You need to show people who you are. Actually, I remember Justin telling me that. He's like, you got to show your face, bro. And then actually, and then I just thought about it. I have all these interests and they overlap a lot. I'm really into hip hop too.
00:15:06
Speaker
But I'm into wrestling more. It's just, you know, I make hip hop and stuff like that. And then like, so there's a lot of times where I'll watch a match.
00:15:19
Speaker
And I'm seeing there's a tempo to it. There's a beat. And I'm like, I need to start posting shit like that. I need to start because there's beats in these matches. And I'm hearing a song. And I'm seeing the match. And I'm like, OK, so earlier last year,
00:15:40
Speaker
I started, I changed my name to Gold Bars and Hooks. Or was it? I got my timeline messed up. I don't know if, like don't, I might be wrong. It might be earlier or later. But so I changed my name to Gold Bars and Hooks. I got a new logo. First thing I posted was Cameron in a mashup between Cameron and Max Caster.
00:16:07
Speaker
Okay. Cause like, you know, they wearing pink, he wear pink, the like abrasive lyricism. He's just very out there drawing bars. I was like, so I posted, uh, Cameron's, uh, what is it? Get a daddy remix. And then I had a picture of, uh, Max Caster. And so that was the, that was the reintroduction. And then I just started posting more regularly. And then I started getting a boost cause I was stuck at 20, 20 K.
00:16:37
Speaker
20k so like I start seeing the boost earlier this year actually so I started hitting you know marks and stuff so finally got 50k yeah it's been it's been 10 years and like I never I didn't start the page with the goal of being getting it big I just really wanted to share get this energy out
00:17:02
Speaker
Yeah. I'm just remembering all these things. Like, yo, y'all remember when Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior did this? Or do you remember this? Or like, I'll see this funny meme of Triple H. Actually, the first post was a meme. It was Triple H. And it was a triple threat match between Triple H, Triple H, and Triple H at WrestleMania. That was my fantasy booking.
00:17:29
Speaker
And then I remember thinking about how a technical wrestler wins at WrestleMania every 10 years. And I had the Brett, Benoit, and Brian. So I was just really just getting the energy out. Because I was originally posting it on my personal page. And my girlfriend at the time was like, you should do a different page for that.
00:17:56
Speaker
Nobody wants to see. I was like, all right. And then so I just started posting. Like, I didn't know what I was doing. I really just started at the right time. I got lucky. I was, you know, I was really on some Forrest Gump type stuff, you know, just accidentally being great, you know. But yeah, so.
Personal Influences in Music and Wrestling
00:18:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's evolved in, you know, I'm gonna keep evolving. I'm gonna keep going because I really, really love wrestling and I like sharing that and I like having the community, you know, like getting able to talk to people about wrestling because, you know, in the real world, there's
00:18:39
Speaker
Yeah, nobody, even though it's popular right now and every now and then a coworker will say, hey, did you see Snoop Dogg? So, you know, so it's really cool. You know, it's cool the evolution that happened. Yeah. The name Gold bars. Where'd that come from? Gold bars. It's it's each word.
00:19:08
Speaker
in that is used in hip hop and in wrestling. Oh, okay. Yep. That's right. Okay. You got the gold, you got the bars, you got the hooks, you know, so I was just trying to find something clever to, you know, like to say what I'm about, you know, to introduce myself. So, okay. All right. That, that actually makes sense. Cause obviously if you think about it, like the marriage between, you know,
00:19:36
Speaker
wrestling and hip-hop is obviously goes way way way way way back in the day like it's been it's uh i mean a lot of obviously you know you've heard the stories a lot of people that influence off of rick flare you know the right you know style and profile and limousine ride jet fly and all and he was rhyming too back then so like yeah and then you know obviously like now like the embrace he gets now is like
00:19:58
Speaker
it's insane like i mean it's just do in that sense but i think would you would you think that like that stands with like uh like wrestling and hip-hop do you still it's like do you still think it's like does that i mean obviously with swerve he's like kind of i think he's i think he's kind of like bringing it actually into
00:20:15
Speaker
Yeah. Wrestling is like, obviously it's been around, you know, you've seen glimpses of it, obviously, you know, Bad Bunny, if you want to throw him in there. But like, Swerve is actually like, you know, he's actually bringing hip hop to wrestling with like, you know, the Swerve, with the Swerve when I drive and, you know, the dance and everything, dude, that's like, it's unmatched. And this, I think you're going to see a lot more of that. And obviously, I can't leave all Max Caster, I forget.
00:20:41
Speaker
I don't want
00:20:57
Speaker
out there all the time. And obviously West Side Guns, I appreciate West Side Gun the most out of any rapper because he lets it be known that he is a wrestling fan, right? Who's going to say anything negative to West Side Guns? Not him being a wrestling fan. If you want to like, he makes it okay for like, if you're a hip hop fan, obviously you're a wrestling fan.
00:21:23
Speaker
he he's that kind of like bridge where it's like you know he takes the art of it and all that stuff and he he yeah yep so what do you see like i think i kind of got away from a question but what do you see like do you see it evolving more do you see like hip-hop like being more a part of wrestling and like yeah do you think swerves the start of that
00:21:45
Speaker
Yeah, I think the thing is, there's this thing, rappers really love wrestling. Rappers watch wrestling, rappers study wrestling. They carry your character traits from wrestlers. They wanna be wrestlers. If you ever talk to one, they'll always,
00:22:13
Speaker
reference Rick Flair, of course. Yep. No, they'll reference like everybody will have a different one, but like they've always like, like not to not to say like they're not who they
Hip-Hop and Wrestling Relationship
00:22:28
Speaker
are, but rappers are playing a version of themselves. Yeah. Yep. It's like wrestlers are and they kind of they they they have the same kayfabe thing going on.
00:22:43
Speaker
Yeah, true. So like it's I think eventually there's going to be a lot more crossover. You saw Action Bronson. Yeah. Like you said, and excuse me, we got it. Oh, we got to give John C to credit too, because that that dude was rapping with MERS. You know, he had met the man with him and stuff. He had a problem with Platinum.
00:23:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's right. You know, and that was that was in the, for me, that's the golden era when his album was out, 50 was out, Kanye was out. Like, that was just, but yeah, I think, I think we're gonna see a lot more of it.
00:23:23
Speaker
And Swerve is dope. That song is hard. Oh my God, dude. I think I sing it every day. I'll just be like, man, I'll Swerve. I'll just do it. That's genius. Just seeing the visual alone, I could show that to anybody. And they're like, yo, that's cool. Yeah. Here's where I do...
00:23:49
Speaker
how Swerve was over when he faced Hangman. And the crowd was booing Hangman and cheering for Swerve. That's how I knew he definitely hit something with that, obviously with Prince Nana out there, but it's just something you could feel something different with him. I feel like he did say he's probably going to be the first black AEW World Champion. And he probably is. I think it's going to happen at some point.
00:24:15
Speaker
You gotta like that immediately like yeah, tony com learned from your mistakes like you didn't put jade in that position you get You gotta do like that was another thing too like jade should have been you know, maybe dual champ Maybe she should have had the you know, the tbs as well as the like date. She just never they never put her in that position and like You kind of wonder why like with the with the thought of thought process. Yeah, I don't know because I thought that that
00:24:42
Speaker
that, uh, brain and shriek was awesome. Like, I thought that was dope booking. And I thought like, oh, like when she lost it, I was like, oh, okay. So she's gonna.
00:24:52
Speaker
But like you said, I would have had her win that and then drop the TBS. But I don't know anything. I'm not a booker. Yeah, about a booker, I don't know. But that should have happened. But yes, the presentation of Swerve, the way he just walks in, he has the coat, it's very
00:25:17
Speaker
being like, it's very, you've got Prince Nana getting all the energy on the side of, that visual is just so cool. That visual works anywhere in anything, that works wrestling, hip-hop, that works any movie type of thing, that works. Just seeing that, I'm like, oh, this is interesting.
00:25:45
Speaker
Yeah. And I, uh, I do think that like I said, I definitely think he's going to be at some point, you know, he's going to be a WWE world champion. I think if they, if they, you know, they do it right about not sure it will be like obviously this year, but definitely sometime soon he'll, he should, he should be. I mean, he's probably like one of the most over people in that company right now, as far as, you know, gimmicks obviously you can't discount that. Like,
00:26:11
Speaker
one of the best in that company, if not the best in that company, when it comes to in-ring guys and stuff like that. So hopefully he gets to where he's supposed to go there. They don't fumble with him at all, please. It would be really hard for them to mess that up. It's right there. It's right there.
00:26:35
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. So I kind of want to go back a little bit because you mentioned that you do do stuff in hip hop. So like what are the what's what's some things that you that you do? Like, is there you know, producing? Yeah, you're rating that type of stuff. I'll wrap. I'll produce as well. Like I don't have any
00:26:59
Speaker
I don't have the popular catalog, but I have a really deep catalog I've produced for a lot of cool artists out here in
Family Influence on Wrestling and Music
00:27:09
Speaker
LA. And I've produced all of my stuff, actually. I've been rapping since I was 14.
00:27:24
Speaker
And I want to age myself too much. But yeah, so all right. So that the year when I said John Cena, so when I when I was talking about John Cena that year, Kanye, John Cena, 50, Dipset, that was my like, that was when I was 14. That was my like, all the influence was hitting me.
00:27:43
Speaker
at the same time. And I was part of a rap crew. It was pretty much dip set west. And that's how we started. But as far as music goes, my family is deep into it. My cousin has stuff
00:28:05
Speaker
with like on Nate Dawg's G-Funk classics. He's like singing on it. Another cousin that raps. My dad was a like killer guitarist, killer songwriter. He was a part of, excuse me, some gospel quartet groups. So like I grew up like with my dad, the bond that I had, my dad,
00:28:34
Speaker
Yeah. It was all surrounding around music and wrestling. So music, he showed me music, he showed me wrestling, and he showed me sci-fi flicks too. He showed me Twilight Zone. But like the main two things was music and wrestling. I remember when the first tape he got me, it was Ric Flair versus Sting, like from 80 something. Like the first one, the first time Sting won,
00:29:00
Speaker
89 or 90 maybe. And then it was like, I don't know if it was on the same tape. I think it was, I don't know where he got it from, but on the same tape, it was Bret Hart when he first left the Hart Foundation. I can't remember who it was against, but I never forget that. But yeah, so music is basically like,
00:29:25
Speaker
the family trade. Yeah. Yeah. No, it sounds like it. Yeah, definitely. So yeah, because that that's kind of like similar to like, you know, my father, he he's on that. Well, my father and my uncle got me into wrestling. My father, you know, he's he passed away in 2009.
00:29:43
Speaker
He's gone for a while, but he, uh, he, he introduced me, he's from the South. He, you know, born in Mississippi, born in Mississippi, uh, raised in Arkansas. So his, the wrestling I grew up on that I seen first was, you know, mid South, um, you know, NWA, you know, on Eric's J Y D butch Reed, you know, young dusty. So I got, I grew up on that. Obviously his favorite, you know, wrestler obviously was J Y D junkyard dog.
00:30:10
Speaker
And I always, even going peacock still would like go on and watch like the old Mid-South. That's so great, man. Because there's a lot of stuff that my dad would tell me. And I was like, no, that didn't happen. I didn't believe it. And I was like, oh, shit. He was telling the truth. Like, my dad's from the South too. He's from Alabama, Selma. Oh, OK. He moved over to Compton with my mom in like mid 80s.
00:30:40
Speaker
Okay. All right. Oh yeah. So like, uh, his same, same, my dad's favorites. It's like dusty, but he liked the super tough, like the overkill, you know, original sheet, uh, bruiser Brody. Uh, yep.
00:30:58
Speaker
Nick Bakwickel, Austin Idol. Nobody mentions him. Austin, they have. Wow. My dad showed me some... I remember they had this DVD... I can't... Wrestling Gold or something like that. And he's like, oh, they got... We were in a store and he was like, oh, they got this. Oh, I got to show you this. This is stuff I'll tell you about. And he used to always brag about how
00:31:26
Speaker
The wrestling fans back then like used to riot and
Fan Culture and Loyalty in Wrestling
00:31:29
Speaker
stuff. Oh, yeah. Right about how they banned wrestling in Alabama and stuff. Yeah. That's great, man. Somebody else had that same.
00:31:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah. No, like I said, it's always weird because usually when you hear what I, most of the people I interview are like, you know, wrestling fans, stuff like that. It's always like, you know, I grew up on like, you know, Hulk Hogan or like, and it's very rare. That's like, that you hear somebody say like, Oh no, the first thing I watched was like, you know, mid-south wrestling. They're like, how old are you? Like, you're going to be like in your like sixth season. Like, that's, that's all my, that's what my, you know, my father, my uncle, they like.
00:32:08
Speaker
that's a they love the von eric's they loved all the you know you know southern wrestling and then obviously i got into you know wwf but no i like i said i grew up on like and just seeing like you know the the powerhouse that like you know junkyard dog was before he went into the wwf like like in the 70s early 80s he was he was like he obviously he was jacked he was huge
00:32:28
Speaker
way over like he was like obviously they equaled his like his popularity with Hulk Hogan like if he if they put him in the right position in the WWF he probably could have been like you know probably the champion at that point but I don't even know if he won the IC title
00:32:48
Speaker
They like he faced Ric Flair for the World Heavyweight Championship, but lost that, but that was like when he was like way late in his, in his, you know, he was like, you know, kind of overweight, not really like, well, he wasn't the junkyard dog or the old, but like, I just remember like watching those matches and stuff like that. I always watch one, it's on Peacock. It's, he's facing Butch Reed and Dusty Rhodes is actually the special guest referee in that match. And it's like, it's just seeing those guys like move the way they did.
00:33:17
Speaker
like they had you know very athletic just power and speed like just guys that size you think like nowadays like nowadays you see a you know a big jack dude like run around the ring and it's like oh it's nothing i didn't know it was like that back then either like yeah you see like you see football players
00:33:33
Speaker
Yeah, you would think they were slow and like just throwing punches, but no, these dudes are like flying all over the ring, drop kicks, like Dusty, like there was a pin that he did at one of the, I think it was towards the end of the match. Like he like flies across them, lands on the mat and does a one, two, like. Oh yeah. It's just great. Like just like, you know, you think you just, you like, you think you see athletes now and they evolved to their, you know, nowadays are a lot more faster, stronger, but they were like that back then. Like they were like, they were moving around the same way.
00:34:01
Speaker
I saw, I saw a clip of Stan Hansen diving through the ropes. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't do it a lot, but you do like, if you watch those old matches, you do see stuff that that's half, that's that you see now that they were doing back then, but they weren't really, you know, it wasn't like, they weren't like, it wasn't a spot fest, essentially. It was like, it was like,
00:34:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's like a time with like men were men and they were just like, you know, always like brawling or fighting. But yeah, I just remember with JYD, like, I mean, my father, your father probably like you said, it was like the fans are like debt, like we're trying to stab people. They're trying to like, you know, send in death threats. Like they like there's there's towns that like some heels couldn't go to because of what they did to like the baby face of previous week or something like that. They would have to like walk through with security. I remember I think
00:34:54
Speaker
Roddy Piper said he used to carry a gun at some time, like when he was walking through the crowd with like security, he'd have a gun on him, like in his leather jacket that he, just in case someone tried to. I couldn't believe that the whole town of Alabama had, the whole state of Alabama had beef with Roddy.
00:35:14
Speaker
and Ric Flair when they came through. I was like, really? They used to tell me these things and they used to sound so fantastical. And I was like, ah, there's no way. It was crazy. It was like gangster territories. It was like, yeah, you're not allowed in this territory. You can't even come here. That type of... It wasn't even that sometimes. Obviously, it was kayfabe, but it was mainly fans. They didn't want the fans
00:35:38
Speaker
you know, hurting any of the wrestlers, like, because they were jumping over guardrails, they would like, wait for him after the show and try to like attack him there. And so was one of those guys and he got he got beat up. This is the F word, like, I could beat him up easily. You know, he's a tall, you know, buff guy. Yeah.
00:35:58
Speaker
And my dad said that they let him come on in. He's never said anything bad about wrestling ever again. Actually, when I used to visit him, when I was young, he used to put my older cousins in the figure four. He's the crazy uncle.
00:36:15
Speaker
Yeah. What do you call it? I just read a thing. They interviewed Tyson Fury, the boxer recently, and they asked him, you know, because he's done stuff at WWE. And he said he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, I want to do it. He's like, but he's like, boxing's way easier. He's like, I can't.
00:36:32
Speaker
He's like the stuff that the that those guys do over there, the girls, they like he's like, I can't I can't do that to my body. He's like, it's too much too much abuse on the body. It's like he's like, they're like high class athletes over there. He's like, he's like he said he wants he respects it, but he said, I can't do it. And a lot of people that happens if you see like a lot of like football plays. Yeah, I could get in there like they get the performance center, they try out and then they end up quitting, which is
00:37:00
Speaker
It's not an easy thing to do.
Local Wrestling Shows vs Mainstream Events
00:37:02
Speaker
I hit ropes once, because one of my buddies, for his bachelor party, we went to like a wrestling, I live in Massachusetts, and there's like obviously tons of wrestling schools. Right, we went to New Hampshire, and he wanted to do like, you know, just like a wrestling class or whatever. Yeah, it's hard to, no, that shit hurts, dude. I want to do it once. I'm hoping one day I get to hit the ropes, like I got, just for one time, I just,
00:37:25
Speaker
Yeah, I see that you did like I see that you like you did something. Did you do stuff with like PC? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I go. I go out to the shows. They invite me out. Like they've invited me out. Like I think this will be the fourth show this next week. OK. So like I'm really cool with them. So like they invite me out. So one day I'm a I'm a just because I'm a very, you know, chill laid back. I don't really like try to push issue about anything. I'm going to be like, hey, can can I just
00:37:58
Speaker
Hey, they might ask you to get involved I uh, I interviewed uh, he'll heal liz if you follow her on uh, oh, yeah Yeah, she does a lot. She does a lot of stuff around. They have a so so cal area So she does a lot of that stuff and she's been she's done announcing. She's done a lot of that stuff I asked her about it this videos. There was a recent video of her uh, taking like the light tubes and
00:38:21
Speaker
to somebody like she like smashed light tubes on someone's head. They asked her to do or they're just like, hey, you want to do the shoes? I guess she just went in there and did it. So like you never know. They might you might get you might get the call up. It might might be a part of one of the matches on the roster. Would you ever would you ever consider doing anything like that? Like, you know, they did they invite you to the shows. But if they were just like, hey, do you want to be involved with an angle or would you do it? Yeah, hell yeah.
00:38:51
Speaker
Yeah, I heard once you get in there, step through the ropes, and you see the people, the crowd, it's insane. They said you just catch a bug, you just want to do it all the time. That's what I've heard anyway. I haven't got a part of that yet, but...
00:39:07
Speaker
Yeah, I interviewed, like I said, Hey, Liz, and I interviewed there's another guy that's on the turnbuckle Tavern called Acefield retro. He does like a lot of announced work for a lot of the local indie shows in his area and stuff like that. He said, you know, once I stepped through the ropes, he was like, it was just like, you just want to like.
00:39:25
Speaker
be a part of it. Like it's just like, obviously you're a fan, but he's like, when you actually get to see, be like a part of some type of like, you know, organization, it's like, he said, it's crazy. You just want to like do it all the time. And it's crazy. Cause like, like you get sick. All right. Cause seeing it live is just so much more intense. It feels
00:39:50
Speaker
different than on TV. When you see it on TV, it's like, oh, OK. But then I remember we went to Raw 2014. Ray Wyatt, Ray Mysterio ran into Bray. Bray hit him with the sister Abigail. Live murder. It was a murder. We were all like, oh, my god. And we watched it on TV. I think the cameras.
00:40:20
Speaker
Cameras tell too much, man. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, definitely. Especially with local shows. I started getting more into the local wrestling shows. Yeah. The environment, obviously, it's a lot more interactive because it's a smaller crowd and stuff like that, which I appreciate. But I mean, those shows are just as good as anything I watch on TV. It is actually seen in person and stuff like that. Obviously, they're not like superstars or anything like that.
00:40:50
Speaker
the guys and girls, they put on a lot of, they do the same work, man. It's very, very good. Awesome to watch. And you could, like, there's legit stars.
Emerging Talents in Wrestling
00:41:00
Speaker
Like, it's like, you could just tell, even if you don't know their names or anything. It's like, I remember the first time I saw the Simone werewolf. Ooh, yeah.
00:41:19
Speaker
I was like, what? I saw him and Moose go at it. And I was like, oh, excuse me. Yo, this is insane. This guy is amazing. What the hell? This is mind blowing.
00:41:40
Speaker
Yeah, I see Carmelo Hayes. He's from my area. He's built from Worcester, Massachusetts. I seen him when he was at Christian. His name was Christian Casanova when he was around here. But yeah, I seen him a few years ago. But then I was watching NXT.
00:42:01
Speaker
Uh, then I was like, I was like, Holy crap. I was like, I think that dude looks familiar. So I think I see that dude like in the Indies, like low. And then he, he's, uh, he wrestled that. Um, we have a company called chaotic wrestling around here. He wrestled there. Um,
00:42:18
Speaker
and there was some other uh it was like i think it's like boston wrestling federation bwf or something like that he wrestled that as well so i seen him i i seen him a few times and then when the nxt 2.0 came out and all that stuff and then i i seen him pop up i was like i was like wow that guy looks really familiar and then i'm like watching it week to week and i'm like like holy crap i was like that's a dude i was like oh that's christian casanova i was like i i was like i seen him a few times i was like holy shit he actually made it and now look now look at him and i totally forgot to actually
00:42:47
Speaker
Talk about when you're talking about like, you know, black athletes and black wrestlers. Yeah. How can you forget? It's just so much greatness now. Like, it's just like, oh, oh, last like we like totally forgot. Like, like now it's all started to come to be like even trick, you know, look at that trick. Do like he's I think he's going to be one of the big, you know, he's going to be he looks like the type of person like when he hits the main roster that that whole like
00:43:15
Speaker
Not that he'll be bigger than Carmelo, but he might be the one that they choose over Carmelo. For me, anyway, he just has that look, dude, that they go for. He's like a young Booker T, pretty much, the way he moves. I think Booker T's working with him, too, man, for some reason. But he does the ad libs. He does the ad libs through his music.
00:43:39
Speaker
Oh man, with the whoop that trick. It's insane, man. I could talk about that stuff all day, but I want to get to the music stuff. Who have you worked with as far as music goes?
Journey in Music Production
00:43:55
Speaker
You said you produce for yourself, do you produce for others?
00:43:59
Speaker
Yeah, the most notable name that I've worked with is Il Camille and Damani. They're like really, they're like feared and respected in LA. Like they're like really great hip-hop artists and they've worked on some of the great hip-hop albums and worked with
00:44:23
Speaker
everybody. Ilkamil worked on both to Pimple Butterfly and on Good Kid Mask in U.K.A. and Damani is from, he's from that other era, like that in-between era before game came out. So he's working with U.K.A., all that stuff. He was, he's the guy that all the NBA players go to when they come to L.A. Like he's, that's who he is. Like, and like if you do, if you like search them, you like
00:44:53
Speaker
you'll see like, oh, okay. They're dope, they're dope. But yeah, that's the most notable. I haven't hit anything mainstream at all just yet, but.
00:45:05
Speaker
Like I've done a lot of stuff for a lot of talents that are, you know, brewing up like, yeah, we rock the menace. Like he's got a like cult following literally like he's, he's really dope. FYI.
00:45:25
Speaker
Let me see, L-Press, that's another big LA standard. So I don't like calling it underground, but you know, this is the negative connotation that it has with that. But you know, it's like just underground hip hop, mostly. But I'm working, that's the only thing I haven't done as far as music, I haven't produced
00:45:54
Speaker
anything that made to billboard, pop charts, anything like that, or gotten... I've worked on something that had a consideration for Grammy, but that's not... Yeah. Oh, okay. Nothing that's not good for a Grammy. Is that...
00:46:12
Speaker
Okay. Is it something that you think you want to pursue at some point? Like go with like, you know, like, do you want to try to like, like, you know, get into like more production? Like, like, uh, work with like, you know, like, we'll say just so like Kendrick Lamar or like, uh, like a game or, or anything like that. Maybe even Snoop, something like that. Is that something that you're like looking to do at some point? Definitely. Uh, I've, I've worked on a lot of stuff.
00:46:41
Speaker
that didn't come out, that didn't make the cuts and stuff. So like, you know, it is, it's like, you gotta get really, really, of course you gotta be talented and you gotta work hard, but you gotta get really, really lucky.
00:46:55
Speaker
timing and everything so but yeah I definitely want to get on something you know like that just to knock it off the list it's the last thing literally the last thing on the list man while we're on the subjects I never obviously you know I don't have a lot of I don't really bring this the hip-hop subject up but like what
00:47:18
Speaker
What's your favorite type of, obviously hip hop is a broad spectrum.
Evolution of Hip-Hop Preferences
00:47:22
Speaker
There's tons of different styles, different lyricists, different type of, different everything, different genres. What is your type of hip hop music? Is it lyricism? Is it storytelling? Is it kind of like pop hip hop? What would you like to listen to? I like a little bit of everything.
00:47:44
Speaker
Like, when you make stuff, you're kind of more of a like super fan than anything. You're kind of reaching for everything. And like, the first rapper that I listened to on my own, that I saw on my own, and I was like, I like that rapper. That's cool. I want to do that. I want to see that. I want to hear more of it. It was Kanye West.
00:48:14
Speaker
And he has a very broad, you know, he could get lyrical. He could get, you know, very pop. He could have the stories. The production is like the core. And I also like, I mean, he's not really hip-hop only, but for real. For real. I love for real. Like Kanye or like the, but then
00:48:37
Speaker
also love dip set in 50 Cent. Okay. So dip set was a little more like after a while they were being like camera would like play around a lot but it's still heavy like yeah. Yeah. There's plenty of memes about more videos of people.
00:48:55
Speaker
you know, copying Cameron and doing his like style. Cameron's a wrestler, dude. I'm telling you, like Cameron would be the best, one of the best wrestlers, like the nonchalant attitude and everything.
00:49:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah, no, definitely. Yeah, he would. Yeah, he'd definitely he'd definitely be like that, like, like kind of like a Ric Flair type, like, you know, just like, you know, I mean, he said it himself. Like he's like, he's just fly. Like he just he could say whatever he wants at a rap and people listen like that video that's been circulating around even a little bit more was the it was on a rap city in the basement when he's freestyle and he's counting the money. Oh, yeah. So have you seen that? Like, it's like, who does that? Well, they're like,
00:49:40
Speaker
And my favorite lyric, not from that song, but he did another freestyle and he said, I don't even like to rhyme, but love, I love this life of mine. That was the first rapper I ever heard say, I don't care about rapping.
00:49:56
Speaker
Like what kind of the biggest hill move ever Like I just do this because I can do it i'm really good at it. I don't even really need to I don't even like doing this That's like yeah, that's that's definitely uh, a lot of his uh a lot of his content stuff like that um with me like who do who do you look at now like who do you who you listen to now as far as
00:50:19
Speaker
you know, as far as hip-hop is concerned. Obviously it's a lot, you know, a lot has changed in the past 10 years. So hip-hop's a little bit different. Everyone has to each his own when it comes to hip-hop. Like what do you what are you listening to? Like the newer style stuff? Are you still like forget it? I'm not listening to this stuff. I have my playlist. I have my playlist. So like I'm doing my, you know, I have my playlist with my early 2000s stuff.
00:50:47
Speaker
But then like, you know, anytime Drake or Kendrick drops, of course. Yeah. Cole Cole, like it's so weird because I've never been like a big Cole fan.
Formative Years and New Trends in Music and Wrestling
00:51:00
Speaker
But that recent freestyle, he just he's been on a run, dude. He's been all his guest versus like ridiculous, especially with the first person shooter with the him and him. Oh, he killed that. Yeah.
00:51:18
Speaker
Excuse me. I'm like, excuse me. I just got over cold in the coffee. No, that's fine. Um, uh, like the me go like, uh, offset. I listened to his new thing, his new album. Oh yeah. His album is good. I'm trying to think of any of the younger guys. Oh, uh, Childish Gambino. Yep.
00:51:43
Speaker
um but the younger guys like Lil Durk and stuff like i i'm this year i've been off of it last year i kept up
00:51:54
Speaker
Yeah, I've been kind of I've been on my I've been more so listening without the established guys. I've been listening to more melodic music, R&B and stuff, you know. OK, but but yeah, I like I like rap. I don't I don't I'm not the one to get in the debates of like choosing, you know, which ones. Yeah, who's the best? You know, like this generation sucks because, you know, yeah, my generation is the best, like,
00:52:21
Speaker
Of course, like that's when I was a teenager going to the mall and stuff and trying to dress like those guys. So, you know, the younger guys, of course, they're not always going to appeal to, you know, our age group. Yeah. Yeah. Here's what I don't like too, like with hip hop, especially like, you know, like the older guys are like, oh,
00:52:43
Speaker
the new rappers nowadays, you know, they're not lyricism, they're not lyrics or whatever, but like, they're not searching for those, there are, there are, there are, the Holger's, the Holger's Zelda camp. Oh yeah. The Holger's Zelda, West Side Gun, Broadway, Benny the Butcher, come on, Benny the Butcher, all those, like, S.D. Mack who they just put on, or West Side Gun just did that, like, who else? He's escaping.
00:53:12
Speaker
That's a couple I mean every like literally that whole camp like you're just not looking if you're looking for like if you're like, oh I'm just gonna listen to like, you know 90s hip-hop cuz that's what it was like No, they're like there are people today that rap like if you want to hear new artists that rap like the way you like
00:53:28
Speaker
then just listen to like it's like Rezelda. I've been I've been back to get to listening to Ransom. He's from New Jersey. He was like with Fabolous and Joe Button back back in the day. But like he's been on a crazy run with Nick. Is it Nick Craven? Yeah, Nick Craven, the producer, like he has a series of like it's called the Direct This Cut series. And it's like it's obviously like the soul samples, like that type of rapper, like
00:53:56
Speaker
Like if you if you want to listen to that type of rap It's out there to listen to like it. It's just being laziness if you just go. Oh, I'm not gonna listen to you Little yachty or I'm not gonna listen to you know, the oozy bird out now That's stupid like but you're not you're not doing your due diligence If you're a real music fan, you'll find you'll go out there and search for the music and it's crazy because you hear that same those same arguments from certain camps in wrestling to
00:54:20
Speaker
You know, like they say, oh, this is spooky wrestling. Yeah, back in my day. Flipping. So, you know, everybody's entitled to their opinion, like everybody's going to be biased to the era when they were like in it or growing up on it. They're going to be, you just have, because you have all those memories attached to it. Yeah. These that influenced you.
00:54:46
Speaker
yeah no that's that's that is very that is very true i didn't even think about going it that way and i always i always use eric bischoff he has like a he made a reference to like you know wrestling being like a buffet like you like you know you pick and choose what you like to eat like there's a for wrestling there's everything like everything is in wrestling you just pick and choose what you like you don't have to with a buffet you're not forcing
00:55:09
Speaker
the person next to you that's picking their
Social Media's Role in Wrestling Fandom
00:55:11
Speaker
food. You're not forcing them to eat what you're eating. They're picking what they like to eat. You're picking what you like to eat. He said in wrestling the same way. You might not like the flippy wrestling. You might be more of a technical guy. There's technical wrestling out there for you to watch. You don't have to watch every single aspect.
00:55:28
Speaker
of the show. If you like hardcore wrestling or death matches and stuff like that, there's companies at GCW you can watch. Sometimes AEW puts on pretty much all the time. They do those matches, but if you like that wrestling, there's something for you. You don't have to force your opinions on everybody. Actually, let's get to that because I want to get to that.
00:55:49
Speaker
One of the topics I sent you was about social media influencing and all that stuff. Because that's a part of it. Because you can kind of, with your following, you can kind of influence how people react to certain wrestlers and not saying that you're like, you go out there and be like, you should like this instead. But like the clips you put, what I like about your page is you post a wide array of different things, like old school stuff, new school stuff.
00:56:18
Speaker
How do you feel about being that type of... First of all, do you think that you are... Would you call yourself a gay influencer? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I guess I am. I don't know. I just don't be... I'm just so...
00:56:38
Speaker
Like I'm aware of what's going on, but I'm just so like, oh, oh, this looks cool. Let me, let me save that. Let me say like, you know, I'm just watching a bunch of stuff and like taking clips and posting them. So like, I don't think it's like, like, cause I feel like the page is there to help me. You know, it's selfish.
00:56:59
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like I'm posting it for me, you know? And I'm posting it because I want to show people. Like, this is really cool, because I'm that type of person. Like, if I see something that's cool and I like, I'm like excited. Yo, did you hear? Like, I remember when I first saw Bully Club, I saw when the Young Bucks first joined, Kenny wasn't the leader yet.
00:57:29
Speaker
Yeah. Was it, was our fence still a part of it? Yeah. AJ was the leader and I saw a picture and I was like, what the hell is this? And then, you know, I go research it and then I'll see, uh, Prince David. And I'm like, what the fuck? And then like, I'm just, I'm trying to keep, I'm trying to like, wait, wait, okay. Who's in and out? And like, cause it wasn't accessible back then. Yeah. I remember I got so excited.
00:57:59
Speaker
And I was going over to my friend Warren's house.
00:58:03
Speaker
And I was like, yo, y'all got to see this. And I was trying to find a clip, a good clip, but I just couldn't find the right one. And it was just a promo they did. It was kind of like a precursors of being the elite. And the Young Bucks was being goofy and snarky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they was like, I don't know. And I was like, what? You don't like it? I just get excited about people who want to share it. So I guess in that sense, I am an influencer because I'm always looking for stuff to share with other people.
00:58:34
Speaker
know, that I get excited about. But yeah, I guess so. I never thought I'd be like that. Like I said, your page is good because it kind of covers a gamut of wrestling. You're not fixated on one aspect of it. Obviously, you'll have some people just only focus on this. It's just old school wrestling or
00:58:56
Speaker
you know, attitude, our wrestling or ruthless aggression. Like you kind of like show everything, which is because I'll be like scrolling out. Like I'll see like a cool clip that I never see before. Like it might be like Vader, Vader fighting somebody in New Japan and show like that. I'm like, oh, shit, this is like I was like, and then I'll have to go research it and go look it up. Like, oh, and I obviously like I only watch it because, you know, Vader, whoever he fights, he was just beating the shit out of them. Like he's just like, oh,
00:59:23
Speaker
Like he was, what match was that? I think, was it you that posted it? Or maybe, I follow
Wrestling Soundscapes in Music Production
00:59:30
Speaker
so many wrestling things. There's a clip of Hammond Yokozuna. It's a one on one match. Oh my god, dude. They were like, they were like, they were throwing hammers, dude. It looked like they were really hitting each other. Like they were like letting loose on that. I was like, what? And that got me excited. I was like, wow, this is a, I was like, I kind of sort of remember that, watching that match, but like,
00:59:51
Speaker
And that's another reason why all of your pages like I'll remember like I'll see things that I remember like from like way back in the day and I'll just say it'll just come back to me like oh my god I forgot about that that this happened and like you get like you said you get the excitement from it and stuff like that so like the excitement you're getting posting it
01:00:07
Speaker
just know that if someone is following you and they're scrolling, they're getting the same excitement if they did experience that. Or it might be something new. Because when I see that, I love Vader. And I love that era when they were together at Raw and all that stuff. And when they met at Royal Rumble, they had that showdown at Royal Rumble and stuff like that. So I'm a huge fan of when Yoko and Vader got together. But yeah, that clip was like,
01:00:36
Speaker
I was like, holy shit. And then there was another clip. I'm not sure if it was you, but it was I think it was like Stone Cold versus Vader. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he actually talks about that because he said, you know, Vader hit him like hard. And he's like, oh, all right. So like if you watch that match.
01:00:53
Speaker
They're like, they throw like, as they call it, the way he's square enough to throw in the punches bag. Yeah. He's really. That was one of the, that's one of the things that people forgot. Like they always said he was like the nicest guy, like behind the scenes, but in the ring, he was that dude at hands, man, he was, he wasn't, he left it all in the ring pretty much. He didn't bring that, you know, that persona outside of the outside of the ring. But
01:01:17
Speaker
then yeah i could talk about wrestling all day but anyway let's uh i kind of want to skip back because i forgot to ask you something about with about like you when you produce like you what is your obviously you don't have to give away the trade secrets but like what's your what does your process look like like what what is it what do you think about when you're when you're going into creating
01:01:37
Speaker
and creating music. Obviously, there's the influences that pop in. And like you said, there might be Kanye. You might hear something. And like you said, when you watch it wrestling, you see something. You see a flow to it and stuff like that. Is it similar to that, or is it a different process? Yeah, it's similar, because for me, a lot of my creative moments come. It feels like it's being put into my head.
01:02:07
Speaker
Not necessarily me putting, taking it out of my head and making it real. You know, cause like, I'll like, it's like, I'll like hear something that's a melody like or something. And I'm like, I know this is a song already. This has to be a song already. And I'll go search for it. And sometimes I don't see it. And then, so then I attempt to make it.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah, sometimes I'm like successful. Sometimes I'm not. And then sometimes I hear it and then it is a song. And I could sample it, you know, or like replay it, replay the chord structure and all that stuff. But I'm kind of like, like, I create a lot of stuff. But it's all like, it's just I'm hearing it. I'm hearing something already. I'm hearing something and then
01:03:03
Speaker
I lay it down. Sometimes it'll be a phrase, like a mumbling something. So it's very weird. If you were ever to be in the studio with me, you would be like, what the hell does this guy even do? For the longest, I will
Sampling Process in Music Creation
01:03:19
Speaker
just be sitting around. If we didn't have something already created, because a lot of times when you go in the studio, you already have the meat of something created because we're on our laptops now.
01:03:31
Speaker
Like it's watching, like we'll be watching wrestling or watching a movie and I'll be like, oh.
01:03:42
Speaker
That's crazy to think that you can watch like a wrestling match and be like, and just think of like, oh man, that's something I can create something off of that. That's like. Yeah. Matt sounds. Matt sounds. That's a crazy thing with me. Like WCW's Matt sound, new generation era, WWE Matt sound, New Japan's Matt sound. Like their whole, well New Japan's whole broadcast.
01:04:07
Speaker
sound. I remember my first time watching New Japan, it was one of the kado versus Kenny Omega, and the announcer was like, Kenny Omega! And I recorded it and sample it. I made a song called Bullet Club.
01:04:27
Speaker
just off of that the Ocado versus Kenny Omega. And like, like, I don't know, it's weird. It's really weird. It's not as cool as it sounds. Like I think I'm, I'm not trying, it's not cool. It's not really cool at all. It's just, it's just something that happens that occurs. And like, that's how I get off. Like I'm a, I'm a, like, I'm also like very, very
01:04:53
Speaker
like how I'll remember a wrestling match and then go find it. I'll remember a song, like so sometimes I'll have the song, somebody have a song playing already, like they'll have it like a song structure and stuff. And I would remember, oh yeah, this drum loop from this record over here goes with that. It's just being a,
01:05:21
Speaker
It's just like being in a library and you just, everything is everywhere and you could just pull from, and that's since, all right, so like my dad is a traditional musician, like he plays instruments. I got in the way I got into music, you know, because when he was trying to get me into music, like I took piano lessons and stuff, he wanted to get me to learn the bass guitar stuff, like I could-
01:05:47
Speaker
I know my way around the piano, but like when I heard Kanye and samples in the sampling, sample with bass music, like that's what I was like, what did he use for that? You know, it's just intriguing. And my dad be like, oh, that's this. Oh, that's that record. And then I heard Dilla and then I heard
01:06:06
Speaker
Night Wonder, Pete Rock. So it's like even when you don't sample a song, you're still sampling because there's only so many chords. There's only so many notes. So the ideas have already been made. So I'm just doing my own little version of it pretty much.
01:06:30
Speaker
I know that was like just a big circle. No, no, no, that's no, that's that's cool because I remember we get the name of the show. It was like a it was like a series I used to do on like YouTube where like they would like they would have like a producer like it might be like Alchemist or Ninth Wonder or one of those guys. And they were like going to like a record store and have a randomly
01:06:50
Speaker
Oh, that's what you're talking about. Yeah. Be like records and then make a beat off of whatever, like whatever the record was. Like I love watching stuff like that. And also like the if you watch the Kanye West, the genius documentary that they had, the series they had on Netflix, like
01:07:08
Speaker
I kind of understand what you're saying, but even he explained, like you said, you're not outputting it. Like you said, it's coming to you and then it's happening. That's how he said he could see sounds. That's what he was saying. He could see colors almost.
01:07:29
Speaker
they were like, that's hard to like even fathom that. But that's how he makes his beats. Like he actually visually sees them in colors. And that's how he puts them together. And even that, like watching him with, there's a scene in there where I think he shows Pharrell
01:07:45
Speaker
I think it was through the wire the first time. It was like early 2000s. And Pharrell, because he's rapping, obviously, through the wire jaw. And then Pharrell gets up and he just walks out. He's like, I quit. I'm done. He's like, I'm out. He literally leaves the studio, walks down the hallway, almost into the lobby. And the camera's following him, the documentary guy that's following him. He's like, I'm done. I can't.
01:08:10
Speaker
He's like, I don't even know what to do. He's like, I had never heard anything like that before in my life. Like just like that type of stuff is like, that stuff's fascinating to me. Like Timbaland too as well, like watching, like his process, him, like obviously he used like a lot of like mouth sounds like to make his beats. Like he'll just be like, no, just like he'll take that and like put it in a beat and that will become like,
01:08:33
Speaker
That's insane to me, it's crazy. Just thinking of that type of process. Like you said, it does sound crazy, but to me, that's fascinating that you can actually pull something like that, just be sitting there humming or see a picture on the wall and it turns into some type of music to you, which is crazy to me. I was just putting something together before, all day today. It actually started last night.
01:09:01
Speaker
But in this morning when I went on my walk, I finally heard the right melody that goes over. It was just like, oh, man. Because I'm like, something's missing. Yeah. It's like you have no freaking control and you feel like an impostor. You just feel like, oh, I'm not good at this for real. And then like, oh, what if I'm in a situation where they want me to make something on the spot? But it always works out.
01:09:31
Speaker
It's intense. It's my 80. Yeah, the other cool thing too, because what game was it? Oh, Spider-Man, the Miles Morales game on PlayStation. Oh, yeah. I got it. I got it.
01:09:47
Speaker
So there's side missions you can do where it's his uncle, it's like video tapes of his uncle talking about Miles and his father. When they were younger, they would make beats and stuff like that. And the side missions are you have to go to different locations throughout New York and
01:10:07
Speaker
he basically he explained it like we would listen to sounds of the street so you'd have to like you know you'd have to go to like a certain part of this and find this like and try to match up the sound that they were listening to it might be like you know a boat uh not even like a yeah like maybe like a boat like with the horn like like it might be something like that and you like record that and then like it might be
01:10:29
Speaker
It might be pigeons. You might have to go to the park and like listen to pigeons. Like listen to that stuff. And it might be something where you go to like a church and hear the bell from a church. And then like at the end of the mission, the side mission, you take all those sounds and go back and like he makes like a beat with all the like the city sounds and stuff like that.
01:10:47
Speaker
I kind of get what you're talking about like it's like because they don't sound like anything like it I mean all right have you ever been in your car and you have your you have your uh door open or your seat oh yeah yeah that that yeah all that's all that's in tune it's tuned to a certain key all that's metronome all that's so it's on a certain light so
01:11:11
Speaker
It's true. Every freaking thing in this world, like every sound, like my fan is going on right now, like it's at a certain beat. Everything is music, like everything. That's crazy. What song was that? Where they sampled the kitchen burner?
01:11:32
Speaker
It was like, oh yeah. Oh, what the hell was that? What is it? I forgot. I think it's... I think it's Mobb Deep. I think so. I think it's Mobb Deep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shook Ones, right? Shook Ones. There we go. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Underrated producer. That's another guy, that Havoc.
01:11:55
Speaker
another underrated, a very underrated producer, like go back and listen to some Havoc instrumentals. Insane, but damn, wow. Yeah, now I'm thinking of that. Wow, that's crazy. I didn't even think of the, obviously the, what's, is it, it's that Southern group, what the hell are they called?
01:12:17
Speaker
Is that some cut with the bed spring? Yeah. Like who would think of that? That's like a bed spring. It'd be so freaking obvious. Like musicians, artists, it reduces over the biggest over thinkers. And the answers are right there. Yeah.
01:12:43
Speaker
What was that 50 cent on Get Richard Die Tryin' where it's the gun? The whole beat. No one did that before. That's never been a beat and they just come along and make that a...
01:13:02
Speaker
Insane. That's another one. Man, damn, I could talk about music all day. The RZA, one of my favorite producers. Man. Just like Supreme Clientele, Ghostface Co. That album, you just listen to that. RZA had his finest with the record scratch beat. They're rapping over a record scratch.
01:13:31
Speaker
That's crazy. Even the beats on ODB's album, first album. Oh my God, man. Return of 36. I was listening to one that I always slept on, that I always skipped. I can't remember. What is it called? Hold on, let me go to it. Let me run it down. Is it Rawhide? No. No, not Rawhide. Damage. Damage.
01:13:57
Speaker
I'll grab the back and I will. Oh, oh, is it sweet sugar? Is it sweet sugar pie? Yeah, it is. In his in his wife, he's in their custer cussing them out. Yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, I know it's all you're talking about. I can't think of the name of it, but going down. I think it's going down. Yeah. That sample that he started, he started to remember when he was a kid, he used to go like.
01:14:25
Speaker
Yeah, oh, yeah, that's it. Yeah Yeah, that's crazy too like the production on that is man ahead of its time to definitely with like like the samples of the Man, I might have to go back. That's one of my favorite albums is uh, is return to the 36 chambers the dirty version is Classic, but that's it. That's a you know, not to get back on hip-hop, but that's like something that like
01:14:54
Speaker
we're kind of messing with hip-hop is the fun. The fun aspect, not taking yourself too seriously, hip-hop. It's like nowadays it's more like you gotta be like, you know, get money and all that stuff. It's always been like that with hip-hop. I'm a little, I'm not a fan of the, the, the, the, the, the savage, the savage murder. Yeah. Yeah. And then I realized, and then like, I used to laugh at it.
01:15:21
Speaker
And then I realized, oh, they talk about somebody that really got killed. A lot of the kids today that are rapping are actually talking about a song that they actually killed, probably. That's the reality of it, too. But like, yeah, yeah, we messed up like the like ODB. That was like the like that type of artist where it's like you just come out. You're not you know, you're not taking yourself seriously. But you still don't like you. So like you can still I mean, he was singing back then. Like he was doing like he could rap. He could sing.
01:15:51
Speaker
He could freestyle. His voice was just so gritty and heavy. It was different. I think that's what we're missing, the fun aspect of hip hop. It's not serious. You just go out and make your music, have fun with it. Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be fun. I think that's definitely something that's lost on all sides of the...
01:16:17
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that is very true. It's like everyone has to be hard, everyone has to be like the killer, the businessman and stuff like that. I mean, that's why I love Nas' and his, not even a trilogy, he did six albums in the past. He brought back the fun side of hip hop. He's kind of like that bridge, it seems like, between
01:16:44
Speaker
you know, for me anyway, between like the new generation and the old generation, because he's obviously doing like a lot on his own. He's doing songs with like a lot of the younger guys as well. So like he's he's he's the one that's like bringing that like for me brought the fun back. Yeah. Oh, just rhyming as rapid. That's. Have you heard that song, Baby came in Kendrick?
01:17:07
Speaker
where they wrap over like a, it was like a pseudo house beat. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. That was fun. That was fun. They was having fun. That's what I meant. Like I like, like his, his, um, uh, as a baby, baby key, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Hip-Hop Collaborations and Influences
01:17:26
Speaker
Like hit like, like when you, when they get it, when they do songs together, it's like he, he sounds like he's having fun. Like it's just like, they're just like, obviously you can hear the influences off of each other when they're like,
01:17:37
Speaker
that rhyme and stuff like that. But like, that's what that's like type of hip hop. I think we're like, we're missing. Hopefully we'll come back around at some point. And we'll get that one individual that just comes out and it's just like kind of like an ODB, just like, you know, we'll have fun. You don't have to be the killer. But obviously, if you if it comes down to it, you know, things need to get done. Like, that's why I like I kind of like that young thug, too.
Comparing Young Thug to ODB
01:18:00
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I was kind of like he's kind of like that, like that, like kind of like ODB type of
01:18:06
Speaker
thing. But obviously, you know, he's a little bit more serious with his lifestyle came out. That was with him in a rich homie, Quan. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.
Metro Boomin's Live Beat Making
01:18:21
Speaker
I even though I didn't know what they were saying, but I was like, Oh, this is hard. Oh, man, dude.
01:18:30
Speaker
Man, yeah, I can tell. Oh, man. I was actually, I wanted to bring something up too, because I totally forgot. It was a million dollars worth of game. Gilly and, you know, Wallow and all that stuff. They had, who was it? The producer. And he did like the beat in like two seconds. Because that's why I kind of brought up that reason why, you know, what's your process look like when it comes to making records and stuff like that.
01:19:00
Speaker
What is it? Metro? Yeah. Metro Boomin. That's what they had. Metro Boomin. And he like.
01:19:05
Speaker
that he did a beat right off the spot on the show, I think, because they interviewed him. And he just took a record, made a quick beat, and then Gilly rapped over it. But then you forgot,
Future Plans for Gold Bars and Hooks
01:19:14
Speaker
like, Gilly was, you know, he was a rapper back at, like... He was nice, too. Nice, too, back at that. And he just, like, he's listening to the beat, and he just jumps on it and starts rapping. I think that clip has a lot of views on it, but, like,
01:19:30
Speaker
It's just put like Metro million dollars worth of game and you'll see it like that shows like you're taking pictures of him while he's like rapid and shit like
01:19:38
Speaker
Just something, and that's the reason why I brought up Gilly, because he's that type of dude. He doesn't take himself seriously. If you listen to many dolls around the game, they're silly, him and Wallo. But obviously, if you do your history, you do your Googles, you know who they were back in the day. So they can do it. Yeah, but actually, yeah. Another question I had for you was, as far as the brand,
01:20:06
Speaker
What do you, I know you kind of, you know, it's for fun and all that stuff, but do you have any like, do you have any plans for the future of, of gold bars and hooks? Will there be another name
Social Media Interactions with Wrestlers
01:20:17
Speaker
change? No, no, no more name changes. That was it. Only changed it once. That's it. I didn't want to confuse it because I think I lost a lot of followers when I changed the name. But yeah, I mean, like, I just want to, I want to meet more wrestlers.
01:20:33
Speaker
I want to interact with more wrestlers. I want to go to wrestling shows. Like I'm using now, like I'm kind of using this as a vehicle to get me into wrestling shows and meet wrestlers. Cause like cool thing is you have, I got, like you, you get wrestlers that follow you because like, you know, like, um, Mark Henry follows me carrying cross.
01:21:02
Speaker
Zach Ryder. Excuse me. Stone Cold followed me. That fucked me up. Wow. With Stone Cold following. And then not only did he follow, he interacts. Yeah. And I posted something about my dad recently for Father's Day. And I had my list of the guys. And he like, Stone Cold's on that list. He's on my list, too. Of course. He's on everybody. Yeah, of course. DM me. He's like, oh, that's a hell of a list.
01:21:33
Speaker
I'm like, this is so cold, Steve Austin. Like, what the fuck? Like, excuse me. I'm sorry. And then I got The Rock's mom, she got on me because I misspelled WrestleMania. I left the T out. And I was like, oh, man, I'm sorry. I didn't see it. And then she cut The Rock promo on me. Like, I'm literally getting out.
01:22:02
Speaker
all of my childhood
Mixing Nostalgic and New Content
01:22:03
Speaker
that's crazy dreams out like through that page so like yeah so i'm definitely gonna keep going definitely keep collabing more with people interacting with people and you know having fun i want to make sure that uh you know i i do have like there is a
01:22:22
Speaker
like a science to all the madness. Like I try to make sure, like you said, like I post wise stuff. So I try to make sure I get the casual person with stuff like the nostalgic stuff. And then I show them somebody new that they might like. And then I show them something that they've never seen before. And then
'Adult Swim for Wrestling Fans' Tagline
01:22:44
Speaker
of course, like I'm adding all these hip hop elements because like, I think that's the,
01:22:52
Speaker
the perfect marriage, of course, like the rap stuff, adding the beats over it. So it's, you know, it's it's basically the adult swim for wrestling fans. Yeah, that's that's what I was going to say. Like I see that in your in your bio. What made you come up with that like tagline adult swim for wrestling fans?
01:23:14
Speaker
I don't know. I was probably just watching a bump. I was probably watching Rick and Morty and the commercial came on. I was like, hey, that's kind of like what I do. That's kind of as far as like the beats playing and stuff. Of course they have
Converting a Non-Fan: Iconic Matches
01:23:29
Speaker
like little notes and messages, but I'm like putting it to wrestling matches or sometimes to promos and like, you know, cause sometimes like,
01:23:42
Speaker
like you'll hear like the Dusty Rose in the meat coat. That's hip hop. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. So, you know, but yeah, that's just my strategy. You know, it's...
01:23:58
Speaker
it's it's for fun but of course yeah it's selfish reasons too yeah no man that's that's uh no i was actually that's one of the things i totally thought i was like i was like i gotta ask him about that where he got that like that tagline adult swim
01:24:13
Speaker
Most people will be like, what the hell is Adult Swim? If you're old enough, you know what Adult Swim is. But man, this is awesome. I always end the show on a tricky question. A lot of people, you know, they get upset when I ask them this, but it's a question I like to ask at the end of every show because it's wrestling oriented. Obviously, if I interview someone that's not a wrestling fan, I'm not going to ask them this question. But so
01:24:39
Speaker
I put the scenario out. So it's a person that like, you know, you have a friend, maybe relative, um, doesn't really get wrestling. They're like, yeah, why you watch that? It's, you know, isn't this, isn't this fake? That type of thing. What, what match would you show them?
01:24:56
Speaker
that would change, totally change their perspective on wrestling in general. Just like, you know, from being like, this is fake to like, holy shit, this got me hooked. What match would that be? What would you present that person?
01:25:13
Speaker
That's hard. It is hard, right? Because you got to think, it's like this match is going to be the match that's going to either make or break a case. And then sometimes you have to have the, what is the word? There needs to be continuity. So sometimes it's not the right match.
01:25:33
Speaker
Yeah, do you go the history of the wrestlers and the ring? Yeah, I mean, obviously, you can like you you can you can present because I don't really say this or the question, but obviously you can present the the promos before that. You can present like the the video package that they show before the match where they could get like a quick gist of it. So I should I should add that to it. So it doesn't get make it too hard. But yeah, it's it's usually like you go with a story driven match. You go with a brawl type of match. Do you go with
01:26:02
Speaker
a technical wrestling match, you think that's going to win somebody over if they like if they respect the actual the sport part of it. Like, what do you what do you go to? What's what's your answer? What's let's let's hear it. It is a hard question because it makes or breaks who this person because they might be like, wow, this sucks. I'm not watching this ever again. Or they'd be like, holy crap. Well, this is this. And I know why you watch it. I respect that. Oh. Hmm.
01:26:33
Speaker
that's a good one. Cause like, where do you even go? I would like, I want to say this, but it's going to sound dumb. It's going to sound dumb to some people. Uh, I want to say ultimate warrior versus Hulk Hogan. Okay. WrestleMania. Uh, was it four or five? Uh, six WrestleMania six. Okay. You have the ultimate challenge because you got a good height package.
01:27:02
Speaker
like big sweaty man. And that was actually a good match. Yeah. The crowd, like the crowd reaction to both of them. Like the, yeah. What was that in Toronto? Yeah. It was like, yeah, the Scott was at the Skydome in Toronto. That was huge. Yeah. It was like,
01:27:20
Speaker
And then actually, you know what, I'm not even going to hate that, that, that choice. Cause that's a perfect match. Cause now you could, you could show like the fan aspect of it. Like, yes, this is legit. Like look at all these sold out, like crowd here at the Toronto dome. And obviously
Showcasing Wrestling's Appeal
01:27:35
Speaker
two of the, you know, guys at the, at the top of the, at the top of the card is definitely, you know,
01:27:41
Speaker
There's definitely enough in it where it's not like overly crazy. It is a slow pace match. So it's not like, you know, you can follow it. It's not like all a bunch of flips and all that stuff. I like it. I like that choice. That's a, that's a good one. I I've, I've, I'm trying to remember other people. I've heard people pick like rock Hogan, uh, WrestleMania eight, not 18. Sorry. Was it 18?
01:28:03
Speaker
Yeah, that was 18. Yeah, 18. Yeah. Rock Hogan. I wrestle me to 18. Same vibe. Crowds is going crazy. You know, it's not a, it's not a five star classic, but it's like, if you want to, I mean, if you, if you, if you read it that way, but like it's five star of the sense where
01:28:18
Speaker
The crowd was into it. Yeah. They played along with it. It was like, you know, they had to play it on the fly. If you hear the stories about it, like there was, you know, they had to switch because the crowd started doing rock. And I know I know everybody wants to go to Hell in the Cell, Mick Foley, Undertaker. But I think if you pick Hell in the Cell, I think you should pick the first one. Oh, Undertaker Shawn Michaels. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Story wise. You know,
01:28:46
Speaker
Yeah, you can definitely go that route. I usually, I listen, because I always think people are going to pick Eddie Guerrero, Ray Visterio out of Helluva. No one's picked it yet though. That's a weird thing. I'm not sure like why, maybe it's a too fast pace for like a casual fan. No, because that's the one that's actually the one that I show my little sister that got her into it.
01:29:11
Speaker
Was, was Ravecirio, Eddie Guerrero at Halley's? I showed him the whole WrestleMania 21, because that's my favorite WrestleMania. Yeah. But, you know, we watched that, I bought that DVD 2005. It came out, it came out probably during, almost close to the summer. Okay. A little after the summer or something. No, it came out at fall. And I bought the DVD and we watched
01:29:36
Speaker
So she saw Ray Mysterio and, I mean, Eddie, Kurt Angle, Shawn, Undertaker, Randy Orton. She's like, oh man. And then she saw John Cena win. She's like, I like John Cena.
01:29:50
Speaker
you know, so that was, and then she was watching smack down with me every week. You could, you could literally go any, pretty much any Eddie Guerrero, bring me stereo match and be like satisfied. They're all like, they're all the custody of Dominic match was awesome at SummerSlam. They had the
Personal Impact of Wrestling Matches
01:30:09
Speaker
briefcase, but I leave Dominic is
01:30:15
Speaker
That's the same little kid. That's awesome. I'm actually like, I'm probably one of the few people at the beginning when he first started wrestling that actually like, like thought he was going to be at some point like good. Like I had a feeling he wasn't like not going to be like successful at all. Like his father's very mysterious, his father's still wrestling and active. I don't think he would let his son, you know, fail.
01:30:41
Speaker
And, uh, yo, yo, he's going to be taking his, you know, take it, you know, step into his footprints at some point. So like, I don't, I think, I think he's, I think he's doing the, you know, doing the due diligence, but, um, the match I usually go with is, um,
01:30:57
Speaker
It's Roddy Piper versus Bret the Hitman Hart at WrestleMania, I think it's eight for the Intercontinental Championship. Only because it's Piper at like it's like pinnacle, like Hollywood Piper.
01:31:14
Speaker
He comes back. He's not the best technical wrestler either. So like this brawling in that match. Yeah. I like how Piper fights is technical wrestling because, you know, it kind of like flip flops and then Piper has to adjust and he hasn't started wrestling. Technically, like, like a hit man gets to try to keep up in that sense. And, uh, yeah, I love that. Oh yeah. Yeah, dude. Like I could go on and on about like Piper and, and
01:31:44
Speaker
in Hitman, definitely, and individually, even though, you know, Hitman's, you know, angry about a lot of stuff nowadays, but we'll move past that. Hey, he's still dope, man. He's still dope. Yeah, that's the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be. That's... Look at our logo, the Pod Foundation logo is after the Heart Foundation. So, I mean, we're all fans of the Hitman, but... Yeah.
01:32:09
Speaker
Yeah, man. Oh, this is great, man.
Gratitude and Future Invitations
01:32:11
Speaker
This is definitely one for the books. I really enjoyed having you on here. Definitely love to have you again, if you're willing to do it again, definitely. Yes, I'm always down to come on again, man, anytime. Let me know. Yeah, definitely. And obviously, where can everyone find you? So you could follow me on gold bars and hooks, gold bars hooks.
01:32:38
Speaker
on Instagram. I'm really not good at integrating with other social media sites. That's all different names? No, no, no, no, no. I have the same name. I'm just not as active.
Maintaining Social Media Presence
01:32:51
Speaker
Oh, on each one, OK. Yeah. I'm on Twitter, Facebook. And then you can follow me if you want to see music stuff at Sir John Lee. But yeah, S-I-R-J-O-N-L-E-E.
01:33:08
Speaker
Yeah, I believe it's in your, you have it in your bio, right? In the gold bars and hooks. Yeah. So definitely, definitely check him out on both, on both ends. Definitely the wrestling side and the music side. We'll probably, we're going to end it here. And yeah, you can always obviously follow me at the MVP Marco. I'm trying to be more active on Instagram. Shine away from Twitter a little bit. Not sure what's going to happen with that. If they start, that dude starts charging people, probably won't be on there any time soon.
01:33:36
Speaker
I'll probably disappear from there. Oh yeah. No, definitely. Yeah. Like I said, I'm gonna, like I said, I, I've been, I've been like, I've been getting inspired by like, do like the beam stuff as you see, but like the, you know, the Jane and Charlotte and all that type of stuff. Uh, but yeah, I think I'll start, I'm going to try to start posting more, uh, like wrestling, uh, content and stuff like that.
01:34:05
Speaker
Yeah. Like I said, it's a process, like I said, about huge on like Twitter and stuff like that. I figured Instagram is probably where everyone's going to go or TikTok as well. Are you on TikTok too or no? Yeah. Yeah. I'm on TikTok. Same thing.
01:34:21
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely follow him everywhere. Like I said, follow me everywhere. It's the same name all over the place. I was lucky enough to do that, except for TikTok. I think it's like an underscore in there, but someone already took my name for some reason, but I'm very upset about that. Not not sure
Closing Statements and Social Media Reminders
01:34:36
Speaker
why I'm like nobody, but I don't know why someone has that name or maybe I just created it a while ago and totally forgot the. But.
01:34:46
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Yeah, definitely. Like I said, check us out. Check out the PAW Foundation at PAW Foundation on IG. That's where you get all the updates on the millions of shows that we have every single week, including this one. So yeah, I'll talk to everybody soon. And thank you for listening. Peace.