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No Fear Allowed w/ Heather O'Brien
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In this powerful episode, Margaux interviews Heather O'Brien, a fellow podcaster and cocah who walks with people in hearing God's voice to receive healing. Heather shares her journey into deliverance and healing and a few key dreams that catalyzed her process.
Dreams can reveal deep truths—even the weird ones! Don’t throw them away.
- Deliverance and healing start when we’re willing to face the truth.
- What looks attractive isn’t always good—Heather shares a key to expose what’s real.
- God often uses community to help interpret dreams and see what we might miss.
- Root issues can’t hide when God shines His light—freedom is possible for every believer.
Connect with all things Heather O'Brien here: https://linktr.ee/healwithgodpodcast
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Introduction to 'Breathing Underwater' Podcast
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We were designed to hunger for the deep things of God, to thrive on faith and wonder, to seek out divine wisdom that defies human logic. We were designed to unlock the mysteries of God.
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This is Breathing Underwater.
Celebration of Milestone Episode
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Celebrate good times, come on. doo-dooodoo do It's a celebration. So I couldn't figure out how to get that song to play on the podcast without having to have some sort of rights to it. So I thought I would just sing a little bit of it to you.
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I hope you liked that. I'm actually like jamming right now by myself. Like I'm doing a shoulder roll. I wish you could see it. But we're celebrating today because today's the 105th episode ah Breathing Underwater.
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Whoa! I mean, I'm clapping for myself because that is a feat for me.
Understanding God's Language
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When I first started this podcast, I didn't know, is this going to be a weekly thing? Is this going to be a monthly thing, a bi-weekly thing?
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And I was pumping them out there week at a time for a while, and we have made it to over 100. And I'll just tell you, I'm proud of myself. So welcome to the celebration. Actually, today's episode has nothing to do with that, but I just had to start.
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with the celebrating. So welcome everybody. I am your kooky host, Margo, and we love to talk about kooky things on this podcast because God is kind of kooky sometimes. Actually, He's totally normal. He just has language that is different than ours so often, and we get the opportunity to learn His language, specifically through dreams is what we're talking about here on the show. But we also talk about hearing His voice in lots of other ways.
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today, have a guest for you. This is a woman that I was referred to through another podcasting friend.
Introduction of Guest: Heather O'Brien
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Her name is Heather O'Brien. She is an absolute powerhouse you are going to find when you meet her here in just a moment.
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She is an author and a speaker and a coach and also a podcaster. She has her own podcast called Heal with God. And on her podcast, she is walking with people to hear God's voice, to get to the root of issues so that he can bring healing. So people experiencing healing through hearing God's voice, doesn't that sound like God?
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I'm sure many of you have experienced that, but we get the treat today of hearing a little bit of her journey, but also how God has used dreams specifically to highlight and speak to her about some of the root issues and bring healing and deliverance in her life.
Heather's Spiritual Experiences
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So without further ado, here is Heather. Welcome to the podcast, Heather. Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here. I'm like so excited to get to meet you. I'm like, whoa, I'm already wrecked just talking to you. Like the Holy Spirit is just, oh, he's so sweet. He's so kind to just meet us right where we're at and give us the desires of our heart that we didn't even know is our desires. Oh man.
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Yeah. It's, it's such a treat a treat, a treasure, like to get to meet someone who's of like mind. I'm like, I'm thinking she's your people, Heather. She's your people. my God. loved It is hard to find. like Okay. No, here's what i was really thinking while you were praying before we started, i was thinking she makes me feel normal.
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You're not the only spiritual, spiritually hungry, mystical weirdo to some to some people. Yeah, yeah,
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Well, I don't know if you know this, Heather. I'm going to have you introduce yourself in just a second. But the name of the podcast is Breathing Underwater because I would always have these dreams about being at the bottom of the ocean, breathing underwater. And I didn't really understand what it meant until God showed me.
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It was because I love to live in the deep things of God and that that's where I'm at most at home and that my job was to actually give permission to others and show them how to also breathe underwater. It's actually a native thing for us as believers to be able to live in the deep things of God and operate in the spiritual things.
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But a lot of believers don't know that. Yeah. They don't know what it means. And so I think that's a little about why we're the, we're each other's people. Cause you're a deep, you're a deep diver. Yeah.
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So, you know, i am now. And so a little, like a little bit about me is I wasn't like this until, i don't know, 10 years, maybe 15 years ago, ah got wrecked by God, but I, I was a Christian since a very young age.
Journey from Early Faith to Deep Spirituality
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So my parents took me to church.
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You know, I remember surrendering my life to God. I was so young. i think I was seven. I mean, i remember after a church, just coming into my room, looking out the window and just thinking, Well, God, I don't know if I've ever said the actual prayer to be saved, you know, but if I haven't, please, you know, save me. Like, I want you to be my Lord. Like, I was just in my room doing that after church, just being sure. And that was, like, the fear of the Lord just taking over my life.
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But I wasn't always, like, um ah aware of the deep things of the Spirit, like you said. i wasn't aware of it. And when i but i when my eyes got open, oh, my goodness, it's like...
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It's like a little, like, have you seen those memes where like a little baby gets their first bite of something sweet? ah There's like, there's like these ones with bacon, right? Like the baby gets a piece of bacon for the first time, their eyes roll in the back of their head and they're like, I just, like heaven.
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That's how, like, I got wrecked whenever I met, like really met God and the things of the deep, like I got wrecked and I was um coming out of a place of really deep, deep depression.
Overcoming Depression and Trauma
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And I, you know, my, I had a friend come along, you know, God sends people right at the right time. He handed me a book. I got delivered reading the book. And well, some of the deliverance, let me just say, because it came out in layers.
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And I see that very clearly now, because that's what I do now is I help people get delivered, get healed from anxiety, trauma, depression by hearing God's voice. And I started learning how to hear God's voice. And each time it's like, I got delivered again.
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You know, he would just whisper, I love you. And I would start sobbing like a crazy person. It seems so... Minuscule, just three words. But, you know, in Ephesians 3, 18, 19, it talks about God's love is high and deep and wide and long.
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And it says, but may you experience it, though it's too great to understand fully. and And that's what I was doing every time he said, I love you. I was experiencing it and the fear and the trauma was coming out in tears and waves of his, his love. Just, I see it now i was being delivered. Every tear was a little bit of a devil coming out or a little bit of a lie, little bit of a trauma being healed.
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And so, yeah, I got delivered by learning how to hear God's voice and getting wrecked. Just, i don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but just, yes you are allowed yeah i I went to church all my life and I didn't know what I didn't know. And I went to a conference away from my church that my friend had invited me to.
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And I walked in. Okay. This a kind of a fun story. If y'all are, y'all are all mystics listening. Right. So I walked in and I had never like, I Remember, I never experienced anything like I went to a Pentecostal church.
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So all I knew was speaking in tongues. That's all I knew.
Transformative Spiritual Experience
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But I walked in and I felt like from my feet to my knees, they felt numb as I was walking in and we came in late. So they all the worship was going like the place was vibrating.
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But to my knees, i it was like I walked into water And from that moment on, like, I couldn't stand, like they had to tote me. It was like a ah weekend conference. They told me everywhere. i couldn't stand up.
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i was like, and i never, i didn't know anything i like that existed. Like, what is this? Like, you can't experience that level of the spirit and then wonder if there's a God or wonder if there's not more.
00:08:19
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oh my goodness. Yeah. So I could talk. Oh my gosh, me too. And I'm maybe about to tangent here, but I'm, I'm going for it. We'll see. we'll We'll get back. But isn't that why, i mean, that that's what God was, that's what Jesus was doing as he was coming to heal the sick and raise the dead and cast out demons. He was laying hands on people. He releasing the kingdom and people were having these experiences where then their eyes were open to, oh, this, he's God. This is God. This is the kingdom.
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It's an experiential thing. Yeah, I'm just like, you you can't you can't undo experiential. When you see Jesus, when you feel Jesus, when you we hear his voice, yeah we know that you know.
Corrective Experiences and Healing
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Well, and isn't that a part of, you know, you were saying what you, what you do, which is ah and walking people through healing and deliverance through hearing God's voice in your ministry and your podcast or your business is called Heal with God.
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Yes. Yes. Yeah. And wouldn't you say, cause so much of what is healed in us, the things that God wants to heal think were things that we experienced that weren't him.
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And so it is like a corrective experience with God, experience, healing, experience. Uh-huh. Corrective healing experience. That's good.
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Yeah. Rightfully, he's like, no, this is what it was supposed to be about. It wasn't supposed to be about religion. was never supposed to be about religion. And that's why I got so stuck. So my story is I sat on church pews full of trauma, anxiety, and depression.
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And I remember them having altar calls. I remember this, just sitting there thinking, there's no point in going. They have no idea. what I'm going through or how to help me. And I have no words to describe how miserable I feel right now.
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Like, I don't even know what's wrong with me. So I don't even know what to ask for prayer about. Like was, I was so like, so drowning, right? Like it wasn't just like someone hurt my feelings.
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It was years of this and this. and And I didn't, I didn't even know what was wrong with me. Yeah. And so correcting like corrective experiences, beautiful I know it's a term that back in when I was doing more inner healing, this was a term we used a lot because it's, it's what God does in a session or even like through relationship in our lives, right? Like so often healing comes through another person or through a direct encounter with God. And even with another person, it's usually God's power through them and his whole orchestration.
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but it's having an experience that corrects the one that was, was, was not that. And that's so true. I've experienced that in a lot of relationships, right. Where it's like in this particular circumstance, this person didn't kind of meet my standards or yeah really hurt my feelings or whatever. And then someone in the same kind of position comes in and I'm like, Oh, it could be like this.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that word. Corrective. like Experience. Yeah. Well, there you go. You can use that. um I'll give it to you. I wanted to ask you really quickly about religion and then we can jump into some dream stuff because I love how all of this overlaps.
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When you were talking earlier about um how you were just so steeped in depression, i immediately just kind of had this thought like, you know, religion kills like religious spirit, religion in and of itself is, is death.
00:11:49
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And it sounds like you were surrounded by well-meaning people who were also maybe stuck in religion. And so you sitting there going, I'm going to go up for prayer and they're not going to know what to do.
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Did that feel like, oh, that's accurate because they don't actually, they didn't actually know what to do. Or did that feel like something just to hold you back? And maybe they would have known. You know, looking back, I'm like, ah that was just the enemy trying to isolate really.
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And I don't know that they had all the answers, honestly, because now I've... um you know, I've been in these things of the spirit for so long. I'm like, now I see the same people who would help at the altar, but, but their prayers would have done something. Absolutely. Really would have. And cause it's really the spirit of God that does everything. It's not humans.
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And it would have been my faith stepping out that could have activated my healing in the first place. But the enemy whispered to me, you know, it's not like you don't have anything. You don't even know what to ask them for prayer for.
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You don't even know what you want, Heather. How can you even ask? And so, and it, and it's true, but now I'm like, ah just, I see it so differently now. i'm like, Oh, I wish I can just snatch me out. So that's my heart right now is to pull out the Christian who's sitting on the pew, but still broken.
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And I'm like, Jesus died for that.
Healing through Dreams
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Wow. And I totally get it, man
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You had mentioned that you had two or three dreams, many more than that, but that really had a healing impact on you. You haven't shared them with me yet. I'd love to hear whatever you want to share around this, because obviously on the podcast, we talk about the fact that dreams are God's voice.
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He's in there. He's in there. Not every dream is sourced in God, but I believe we can find his voice through every dream. And not everyone agrees with me, but I really believe that. I believe that too. Look at us having like minds. Get us. Come on.
00:13:47
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It's because we've we know God is, he's so much grander and bigger and so not limited, right? Yeah, yeah, I do. And so dreams are like the way that God started speaking to me and in a big way that I actually received healing.
00:14:00
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Honestly. Oh, I love this. Will you tell us, give us an example. Yeah. so Okay. So one of my, I've got one from oh quite a while ago. And then one that's recent.
00:14:12
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Great. Okay. But they both are equally like God, like delivering me in a dream and even in the dream. Okay. So the first one, um, I wonder if it might be easier for me to kind of, um,
00:14:29
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I wrote about this in a book that I called, but how I was, as I was doing my inner healing, you know, all of the sermons and stuff would um kind of make me mad because they would say, quit doing this. Don't do that. Don't do that. and they were reading the Bible, but I would get really mad. Cause I'd be like, yeah, but how, how do I stop?
00:14:48
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Like question. And, um, so I wrote a book about it. Like, that's what you do. Right. And so while I'm like searching these deep things, um, one of the things that I'm struggling with in life, God gives me a dream.
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And, um, So I had a dream that I was along with many others being held captive. I snuck off and I was hiding from the bad guys and suddenly someone found me and I was scared at first, but then i recognized this bad guy as a character on TV that I found really handsome. I won't tell you who it is. You can just answer your person there.
00:15:25
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And then I wasn't so scared anymore. And he was even finding me attractive. We held hands like we were in love, even though he was supposed to be the bad guy.
00:15:37
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Suddenly every captive was set free and the bad guy that I was so enchanted with disappeared. And then I was sad. Like the prison doors opened up, but I am sad.
00:15:50
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While I'm still, that's the end of the dream, except for I'm still asleep. And I have an interpretation while I'm asleep. Not the full part, but I had a piece of it. So I had an interpretation come to me that I instantly knew that I was being held captive by something that seemed good, but it wasn't really good for me.
00:16:08
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Wow. And I told, so I, that was the dream part. And I woke up and I told my friend about it and i asked her to help, help me pray for interpretation and understanding. Cause it, you know, that's really like important.
00:16:23
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I really want to get free. I'm on my journey of getting free. And I thought I'm good. And God's giving me this dream that I'm doing something that's not good. I'm like, what is it God? And he doesn't tell me instantly. i mean, I was praying for a couple of days and I asked a friend,
00:16:39
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And she's praying for a couple days and she's like, okay, wait, there is this one thing that we've been praying about. Could they be similar?
00:16:48
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And that thing the things that the thing I was praying about um was about ah a spirit of control. And so as soon as she said that, it's like, God hit me like, that's it. Like, do you hear me?
00:17:03
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And um i was I was praying about it, course, in the shower, like you do you know, things are finally quiet. you're in the shower. I'm immediately flooded with millions of memories where I was shown this demonic spirit of control was actually influencing me to act out of anger, frustration, anger,
00:17:24
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Foul language. Yeah. Stuff would come out of my mouth and I'm like, where'd that come from? Bitterness, rage, like anything you could think of would come out and I wanted it to stop. I was praying that it would stop, but it was the, fruit I wanted the fruit to stop. I wanted the behavior to stop, but God wanted me to get down to the root.
00:17:42
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That's him. yeah And so God was showing me that actually I was ah feeling safety with the spirit of control and it was a demonic spirit. Wow.
00:17:53
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It wasn't my personality because really i think um we're easy to say, oh I'm a control freak or I have OCD.
00:18:05
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And now I see that as ah you don't have it. It has you. I see it because I personally experienced it. I hope you don't take this the wrong way. this is ah This is all about me, but maybe you can get your two cents out of it. But um yeah, that was one of the dreams that changed my life.
Recognizing and Overcoming Spiritual Influences
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um So and now I say I'm recovering perfectionist. Wow. i I don't have it all figured out. However, i do know that because of that dream, God made it really clear that when those symptoms come that I don't like,
00:18:40
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like the foul language. Okay. I'm being really vulnerable here. Sometimes the F-bomb would come out of my mouth. And yep and He showed me how they go together and it, and I, and he would say, okay, you just said it. So that spirit is around.
00:18:56
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He's getting an invitation. He got an invitation and it's usually like of times it was around like my kids arguing. How crazy is that? Like they would be fussing.
00:19:07
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I couldn't get them to stop and I couldn't control them. Mm-hmm. I couldn't make them do anything. And that's infuriating when you can't make someone do something.
00:19:19
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And maybe you're thinking, yeah, I don't want to control anyone. I'm like, yeah, you I think that this is a problem 99.9% of us suffer with at some point in our time But now I'm like, oh, there's a spirit in the atmosphere.
00:19:34
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And as soon as even if I say it or whatever, I repent. And I'm like, okay, I see you. Now I know how to name it, break partnership with it and tell it to go. But I do have those symptoms come up occasionally or sometimes now they don't actually come out of my mouth, but they come out like they're like throat. And I'm like, nope.
00:19:53
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ah but but I know that that's the spirit of control. And and I'm like, Heather, you're trying to control them and you can't, and that makes you mad. And so you're just going to have to deal with this in a different way. And so, yeah, that is hugely revelatory. I just wrote that down because I think God's showing me something.
00:20:12
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You're not the first to say the F bomb. Okay. I mean, I never have, but I'm not sure others have. No, I think this is incredibly important. You're so right. The spirit of control in it.
00:20:27
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What I love from that dream is how attractive it looks.
00:20:33
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Yeah. It's very attractive. Yeah. Cause it feels good. Well, and that's what all the memories were. So I, in the, all the memories that came to me, I was controlling different things, you know, situations.
00:20:46
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And even like, I would get frustrated whenever my kid's bedtime was like one or two minutes off. Mm-hmm. Like we would be, it was prayer time, but I want to hurry up because we're going to be late, which is ridiculous.
00:21:00
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but And, and, you know, my husband's like, it's been, it's two minutes. And I'm like, why does this bother me so bad? Like he's, he's so right. But it, it's not ah sometimes until someone points it out to you that you realize that you're being controlling.
00:21:16
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Absolutely. And you're being controlled by a spirit that wants to be in control. And it's really rooted in fear, right? Fear of being like fear of not being in order and everything. And it seems so good. That's the thing is it seems so good to have everything in order.
00:21:31
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And I was, i remember all of that all the way back till I was like, I was young, like in the second grade and I would have my notebook and a checklist. but That's how young I was in those memories that God was showing me how,
00:21:47
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OCD was around that long. Wow. It's not my, part it was not my personality. Wow. Yeah. So, you know, it's, I think people are probably having some revelations of their own right now of like, whoops no maybe this is a part of what, and I just want to clarify something here to tell me, or tell me your thoughts on this.
00:22:07
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It doesn't mean that the desire to be organized means you're controlling person. No, I'm still have very organized. Yeah. This is the extreme and it's fruit. Sorry, go ahead.
00:22:18
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Nope. We're, we're both on the same page. Like it's completely different than just like, so I still have a calendar. Right. And everybody's like, how do you get so much time in the day? I steward what God has given me, but I know now how to say i that enough is enough.
00:22:33
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I did good enough. Oh, I could not say that before because the spirit of control. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. You know, ah one way that God's really shown control and in my life because i I couldn't see it was worry.
00:22:49
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Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't even like I would think of myself as a ah worrying person, but I totally am when I'm not thinking about it. It's gotten better, but it's not, it's not gone. And when I'm not thinking about it, and then I kind of come to and realize what I'm thinking about, it's usually worrying about something.
00:23:09
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And when I try to catch it, it's, it's almost like I can feel this thing in me thinking that If I'm not worrying, nothing's going to happen, right? Like it's almost a, it's a pseudo prayer, you will. It's control because it's rooted in fear. but Somewhere deep down in the recesses of my mind, it feels like I'm able to control an outcome if I worry about it ahead of time.
00:23:35
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If I forecast the bad things that are going to happen and then I can plan all the ways it won't play out, which is totally control. And we don't actually have control over those things. Okay. It somehow felt like I was being responsible.
00:23:48
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it It felt like I was meditating on these things for for the good, right? That's just absolutely control. And I i needed to see that. And I'm still working through that because it's not something I want to intentionally do. But I just, I love that you brought this up because I think this is a big corporate thing that God is wanting to expose. Yeah.
00:24:09
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Oh, I think so, too. I think so, too. I think it's I think it's something that's so deceptive that we it's just like what the scripture says. We think it's godly, but it's not good at all.
00:24:21
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And it seems good because being organized isn't OK. So here's the thing is um it's not the same as the spirit of excellence.
00:24:32
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Perfectionism is not the same as spirit of excellence. So the spirit of excellence can say, i did good enough. That was enough for today. Good job. Perfection cannot say that.
00:24:45
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Perfectionist say, like, if you say I'm a perfectionist, I would say, you don't claim that. Yeah, totally don't claim that. they Don't claim that. Don't want to be that. You don't want to be that because it's led by fear and control and pride.
00:25:01
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Pride's really at the root of it. I like, I mean, there's fear there, but pride's at the root of wanting to control things, right? Because we can't trust God. And o that's a whole nother layer in the ball game. And you know, the onion layers come right. Like, Oh, I'm being prideful by worrying.
00:25:18
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Yeah. You kind of are Heather. honor percent Oh man. I need to hear that though, because there is, there is a,
00:25:28
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There's an exhale when, when I'm sliced by truth, it's like, ouch. Oh, isn't it? Oh, but that clarity. The truth sets you free. You just got a little bit of freedom. Come on, Jesus.
00:25:39
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Amen. yeah I'm totally writing stuff down right now. Come on. Okay. Before I start asking you more questions and we just keep going down that rabbit trail. Do you want to tell us about the second dream? or can you Okay.
Insights from Dreams and Identity
00:25:50
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Let's do that. yeah Okay. So this, so that dream happened and I wrote a book about all that. I mean, it's in part of a book. um And then this other one just happened this year.
00:26:01
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Real quick, what is the book that that one's in? Just because I'll put the links in the show notes, but just in people want to connect it. It's called But How. But How. and did not know anything about marketing back then, but it's called But How.
00:26:13
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love it. Book for Christian Solutions. And it's like step, I like step-by-step things. ah I know that offends some people, but I'm a formula. i'm I'm a teacher by nature.
00:26:24
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Mm-hmm. And so if I get free, I want to be able to replicate it. And that's, I mean, that's just, that's all I could tell you is I want to like everything I touch. I'm like, can we rep?
00:26:35
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Like I got plants. I'm like, can it make some more? Like I like the plants that multiply. love it. So yeah. So I'm a teacher by heart. I'm like, I want recipes. So it's called, but how a cookbook for Christian solutions, a cookbook for Christian solutions. I love this. Okay. I'll be putting a link to this in the show notes.
00:26:51
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Okay. Dream two. Okay. Dream two. Okay. I have something gooey in my eye. So I go to the bathroom because, and I'm on vacation and I brought some of those medications with me for whatever reason, but instead get tweezers and I scrape something out of my ear.
00:27:11
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As I put it in my hand, it's got parts that click together and I made a dragon looking thing ah like, and it's green and it's got three squishy things for feet and wings.
00:27:27
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It's bright, like almost a neon green. Wow. Yeah, this, okay. So this happened this year. So I had gooey eyes, but I pulled something out of my ear.
00:27:40
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do you already have the interpretation? No. I mean, I have some thoughts, but I cannot wait to hear what you're going to say. It's crazy, but it was powerful. i'm like, I can talk about this for days.
00:27:50
Speaker
Isn't that how he speaks? It always looks kooky. And then when you actually get the interpretation like that is. You can't have a dream like that and not be like messed up by God. Like God, you got like, you obviously want to talk to me, right? Yeah.
00:28:03
Speaker
Tell me, Lord, what is happening here? It's dragging out of my ear. Come on. Uh-huh. Okay. So, and then, okay I was on, I was on vacation like the next day. So I had that dream. Then I went on vacation with some girlfriends and, um, I told them about it. We were talking about it, you know, it's kind of piecing it together. And then I came back home Sunday and my eye was gooey.
00:28:26
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Okay. So at this is a, this is a really cool story. Like, so he was setting me up. Yep. Um, so basically, so the dragon had three feet, uh, three, yeah.
00:28:38
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Three squishy things that look like feet. You got to remember that. Okay. And so, um, knowing that the eye versus the ear, I thought a problem was in my sight, but actually it was something whispered to me.
00:28:54
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yeah Okay. And so imagine the dragon is the enemy and it whispered to me and I let it in. get it? Totally. And so i had three things that it was, question it was giving me questions and I thought that's a reasonable thought.
00:29:13
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and And that was the entrance point. Wow. I thought, who am i Okay. So I just had her background. i just got a new job. very cool job and so i'm questioning who am i to have that job like and that's a reasonable thought to me right it whispered it to me you gotta know this wasn't heather thought obviously god's showing me i no dragon whispered that to you and you thought it was reasonable and it seems so reasonable because had no business in this like so who am i was the biggest whisper to me and i thought it was so radically true to believe
00:29:49
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And I'm a deliverance. Like, this is like this year, is just, this is so powerful though, because you don't see what you don't see until you see it. Like, you don't know your own heart. You just don't. that's true who you are You don't know unless you're asking the Holy spirit. And I have to so true like, show me how. So the other thing was I'm not enough. I'm not capable. Like it's that it was just a deeper layer of who am I? Right.
00:30:14
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I'm not, I can't, I don't know how to help. Like I was supposed, anyways, I won't tell you the job, but um the last one was probably it won't work. I'll mess it up.
00:30:27
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I'll be a failure. Yeah. And so, you know, those are just lies that get whispered to us, but you don't always think it's the enemy or a dragon. And um yeah, so the fun story here is, okay.
Evicting Negative Thoughts
00:30:42
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So I had prayed through that. God showed me all that and I'm praying through it and I know what to do to tell a devil to go.
00:30:48
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ah you You name it, you break partnership, you tell it to go. And I knew, i knew the three thoughts and I'm like, yeah, okay. i'm And I repented. God, I'm sorry for questioning my identity and my a ability and my lack of abilities and my, you know, I, i repented like,
00:31:06
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So I thought, and then, um when I woke up with my gooey eye, i did not go get drops for my eyes. Cause I was at home by then. I went to my prayer closet and God showed me you're going to have to forcefully evict this thing.
00:31:20
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Wow. So I had thought reasonable thoughts again. Like I had tried to reverse these bad thoughts through thinking differently. Hmm. But I had not um violently taken those thoughts by force out loud and evicted them.
00:31:36
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Taking them captive. Yeah. So I had taken them captive, but they were still in my mind. Does that make sense? Got it. i didn' Like this was like new for me. Okay. No, this is new. Can you unpack this?
00:31:47
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Yeah. Unpack exactly how this went. So I'm like, this is over the weekend. I'm thinking, okay, God, please forgive me. Yeah. I shouldn't be questioning who I am, but this is all my internal narrative. I shouldn't be questioning if I'm going to fail. I shouldn't be questioning if I'm good enough.
00:32:00
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And I get that. I'm so sorry, God. Like they hired me. Obviously I'm good enough. Right. They're going to train me for whatever I don't know. And, but I, it was all inside. It wasn't out of my mouth.
00:32:13
Speaker
And so in my prayer closet, I violently did the declarations. I am God's child. i I will not question this a minute longer. So every enemy that's trying to whisper to me or has whispered to me, I break every agreement and covenant with you in the name of Jesus. You're going to leave right now.
00:32:31
Speaker
I don't, I don't put partner with you anymore. And so like I had to evict it. Like when I'm doing deliverance ministry with someone, I am never quiet about it or nice about it.
00:32:42
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Like I'm not yelling, but I'm very authoritative. Okay. My kids would say that was yelling, but like what I just did right now, they're always like, quit yelling. I'm like, I'm just momming you. That doesn't that doesn't sound like yelling to me.
00:32:54
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I was being authoritative. Right. And, um, I, yeah, I don't yell when I do deliverance, but I get authoritative and I had to do that to myself. Right. Wow. not just think differently, but say it differently. Like say it. Man, girlfriend, that is so, so good. Cause the battlefield is the mind so often, right? and But it it needs to, so often needs to actually have an action, yeah not just a thought.
00:33:17
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Yeah. Pam, is there anything you wanted to add on that? Cause I have a question about something you said, but I don't want to. No, I mean, okay. So like we could, we could talk about the green color. I don't know that I quite know why it was green.
00:33:31
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was thinking like counterfeit life or, I don't know. Um, and it had wings, but it was, it wasn't like flying and it's almost like false liftoff.
00:33:43
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o Like, The only way to survive was to partner with these lies. That's the only way that it even would make sense in my world that I was getting hired for this job.
00:33:56
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Yeah. Wow. Wow. I don't know if the green, if I have anything specific for the green, that might detail might still come, but I definitely, sounds like you got the meat of that bad boy.
00:34:08
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Yeah. And I love that. um It was so specific. And this is one of the reasons, you know, how many people would have probably thrown that dream away because they would have thought it was too weird.
00:34:19
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And this is one of the things I love to continually encourage us is to just remember, God will sometimes show us things that might offend our really mature, wise brain that thinks it knows what everything is. And oh that couldn't be anything. There was a dragon in it. I probably watched a movie with a dragon in it a couple nights ago or week a week ago or whatever.
00:34:42
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But you have the discernment to go, okay, clearly this is God because because it was so weird. I would even say if it feels especially weird, it's probably even more evidence that it's God. I totally agree. Totally agree. Y'all read Daniel.
00:34:56
Speaker
And then, and then I did get like the sense that I was getting pink eye.
Combating Physical Symptoms with Spiritual Authority
00:35:01
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Right. And I did not, I had drops in my drawer, but I didn't go do it. I went in my prayer closet because God had already warned me. Right. showed you And I was like, in the name of Jesus, I will not have pink eye, you know?
00:35:12
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And that's when the war came out. Like, um you know, you're not staying. Like I had to get mad for my physical wellbeing. Right. like This wasn't just a mental battle anymore. This was, and okay. So I came out of my prayer. I never used eye drop or anything, but if I had not ward like that, I definitely would have been suffering with pink eye, which makes me go like, I'm always like, I'm always look like, like see symptoms physically and I'm like, yeah, and here's the inner healing route that we could go
00:35:43
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And so now I'm like, Ooh, pink eye what's in your ear. Yeah, but because you have this little formula now that he's shown you. that's so funny. I'll pull it out when appropriate, but totally. And it might resonate with some and it might not.
00:35:57
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Yeah, never know. Holy Spirit will know. but what I love here too, i kept thinking about it, and specifically the the reason that the way you named it was a reasonable question.
00:36:08
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It feels like a completely reasonable thing to think, maybe even humble to think that way. Some people would think, oh, who am I to have this job? Oh, look at the humility. And it's not humility at all. It's actually partnering with the pit, which of course we got to see.
00:36:24
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But it just reminded me immediately of, you know, when the Holy Spirit led Jesus into the wilderness after his baptism,
00:36:32
Speaker
All of those temptations were about if you really are the son of God, Yep. Always questioning his identity. And I, you know, had that come to me during an inner healing session one time, the Holy Spirit had showed me this person standing in front of a mirror and like a, a dark figure beside them and whispering to their ear. And I had never thought about that before until then, you know, and he had whisked the dark figure had whispered, like, you are ugly. You're you, you know, all of the nasty things that you think about when you look at your reflection, not, not you, I'm sure you have never done that.
00:37:08
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No, never, never. But that just changes the way you think. Whenever you're looking in the reflection and you're thinking something like that, it's like, oh, I might not be having all these thoughts myself.
00:37:20
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Like all of this is like revelatory. Like absolutely. Every thought is not your own. We got to start thinking about what we're thinking about. Yeah. I actually think. ah Captive.
00:37:33
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And then take them out of being captive of your mind and out of your mouth. That's. Yes. Doesn't that scripture say, take every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ.
00:37:45
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Make it obey Christ. I'm like, you will obey Christ. Wow. I love that. That is such a tangible ah example. um Did you have a third dream or we could interpret together really?
00:38:00
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Yeah. yeah um Okay. So I have a reoccurring dream that has been happening lately and different circumstances, but But I'm obviously not getting it since it keeps coming.
00:38:16
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I haven't had one lately. I've got, I got an interpretation, but it was obviously wrong because I kept having
Recurring Dream and Readiness
00:38:21
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the dream. and And then I shared it with someone and she gave me a piece of the nugget and I was like, But I'm wondering if you might have have. you had it since you got the nugget?
00:38:31
Speaker
Okay. So you might've got it. I might've got it. But let's do it anyway. If you want to try. Let's go. mean, I am completely relying on the Holy Spirit to bring revelation.
00:38:43
Speaker
So he's either going to show us something or not. And let's give it whirl. We another one if, I mean, I got a handful. How much time you got, Margo? got a write dream journal. I do.
00:38:54
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Literally. let's here Let's do this. Let's have you share the dream. And then I'd love to hear what you interpreted that was wrong. yeah Yeah. I'd love to hear the nugget because we're all practicing, right? Like that's what this podcast is about. The nugget that your friend gave you that made you go, and then you haven't had it.
00:39:09
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And then we'll see if he wants to show you anything else. Okay. Since there's been so many of them, I'm to give you the general, the general idea as I'm getting on a plane or I'm in line to get in a plane.
00:39:22
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I suddenly realized I don't have my luggage. I don't have my purse. And in one dream, i went on and just didn't have my stuff. In the other dreams, I got out of line to go get it.
00:39:38
Speaker
And then it's like, I missed, I missed it. Um, so sometimes I would make it to the, to the destination, but I wouldn't my stuff. And sometimes i just get out of line and it's a long line. And I'm so mad. I got out of that line. I don't know that I necessarily missed it, but I know I got out of line.
00:39:57
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And so, um, yeah. Okay. So those are like the essence of it. It's like, so love it. Okay. And usually it's luggage or a purse. Okay. Okay.
00:40:09
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So I thought it was because I'm supposed to be writing a keynote speech and I don't have one. i mean, um but I started working on one, but i I thought, okay, well, I don't have an invitation.
00:40:27
Speaker
What? And almost like if I had a deadline, you know, I would just get it done, but have nowhere to go. Nothing. had no audience to write for. But also I have this knowing I'm supposed to be doing it. So I thought he was reprimanding me for not having the information. Now I'm going to get there. I'm going to get the invitation. I'm going to go, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to necessarily be ready.
00:40:50
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That's the, that's the, and that's partially, i think, right. And partially wrong. Okay. How are you feeling about that? Oh, I'm, I'm feeling things and I'm feeling great. This is your dream and I'm on your journey, but we could talk more about it.
00:41:03
Speaker
I'm so happy to hear your process in this too, right? Cause this is so relatable. ah Yeah. My, uh, I had another friend who was all about the deep things of the spirit and she was like, I think you're the purse is your identity.
00:41:17
Speaker
You don't have your identity. And I thought, why did I not think of that? Yeah. I was almost like mad. It was so easy. should have known that. But what part of my identity? What does that even mean? Like, I know who I am, but obviously i just told you a dream about the dragon. I was questioning who I
00:41:37
Speaker
From da white um that the revelation of the identity I'm missing is really being able to authentically be me.
00:41:49
Speaker
I have been hushed and silenced and reprimanded for, oh, that's another dream we could go to. Okay. This dream would go with this. It's, it was right before the one about the gooey eye.
00:42:03
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Okay. Same. Yeah. Right before it. Okay. It all goes together. I've been hushed and silenced and like to the point in the last two years, specifically, like I'm scared to do God's business lest I get in trouble.
00:42:18
Speaker
And yeah, I just got to share this dream because it goes with it. Okay. So yeah, I was supposed to pack a trunk for the top.
00:42:29
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Okay, so like kind of like a CRV kind of thing, but it like, yeah ah like a back hatch. So I'm like, I just barely lift up the gate on the inside and a female lion comes springing out full sprint as well as a male lion.
00:42:44
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And I didn't mean to open it that much. They come back willingly though. And then it happened a second time, but I kind of thought maybe they were just taking a little potty break and it was fine. They didn't hurt anyone.
00:42:57
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So, okay. I felt like that was all related to, um, I was like battling the fear of punishment. That was part of my identity. And I did not know i was afraid of doing God's work lest I'd be punished.
00:43:13
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Cause I actually experienced that. Yeah. yeah And so I started being quiet So that was another Friends Revelation and it kind of all mixed together. But i don't know that I'm completely, ah I don't know that completely got it all. So I am open and ready for whatever you got. I'm going to take notes.
00:43:34
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ah but Okay. I definitely have a couple of things percolating here, but I feel like you really tapped on it. And even just the fact that you were like, aha, is the keys we want to look for with our own dreams. When we have those kind of aha moments, it's interesting then you, when you were just, and your initial interpretation had to do with you thinking that God was reprimanding you.
00:43:54
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and That's the exact word you used. Cause I, I noted it. And then when you were describing your experiences, you use the same word that you had been reprimanded in the past.
00:44:04
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Interesting. i know. And so to me, that just is showing how easy it is for us to interpret our dreams through our own lenses of... pain or experience right yeah other than through the lens of god's character because that i knew immediately that was not it i'm like no i don't actually know that god reprimands i don't think that's a something he does i believe he definitely corrects us yeah yeah he he will call us higher but it all feels loving you know you can tell oh yeah
00:44:39
Speaker
So I guess my first question would be this, and then I'll move on a little bit. But when you have, when you have these reoccurring dreams, can you remember the tone? Does your emotion feel positive or negative in the dream?
00:44:52
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Does it feel stressful? Yeah. i' I'm mad at myself for not having all my stuff together. Yeah. Not being ready.
00:45:03
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Yeah. My sense is this isn't a God dream. This is a ah soul dream. a And I feel like we can find God in every dream. And he's speaking through this about your call and about your identity and preparing you to actually go to the nations and go and do this.
00:45:23
Speaker
but to me, it feels like it, because the emotion is negative, almost always when I have a ah stressful dream or it's really emotion, it's coming from my soul or it's coming from the demonic realm.
00:45:34
Speaker
So I wonder if this is him showing you what's something that's going on in your heart yeah about not feeling ready. Yep. Well, I think he was showing me that I had the fear of punishment in my life. Yeah.
00:45:45
Speaker
Yeah. And so that's, Yeah, I, yeah, I think that was heavily there. And I even like did the whole, you know, deliverance motions. And I'm like, I wonder if I'm really free. And I and that just me, I'm like, God's fixing to give me an opportunity.
00:46:02
Speaker
he fixing Like, right before we got on this, he was like, Heather, don't hold back. And I'm like, Oh, okay. That's scary. Yeah. But then you're like, you're my people. And I'm like, oh, yeah, this is just like, oh my goodness. This is just like what we started.
00:46:19
Speaker
Like, you're actually the, um oh, what was the word? like Oh, with the corrective experience. Yes.
Trusting Identity and Purpose
00:46:25
Speaker
That's what this Oh, man, that's so cool. and i'm like, I can be weird with you. And I'm not going to get in trouble because, like, you're you're just like me.
00:46:37
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Yeah.
00:46:40
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And you know what I have found that those people are those scenarios where we are in trouble. It usually is that spirit of control again, coming through someone else, right?
00:46:53
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Because the expression is uncomfortable for some people. Yeah. But I, it reminded me when you just showed us that dream, shared that dream about the lion coming out of the hatchback.
00:47:06
Speaker
I immediately thought that was your mouth opening. Yeah. And a lion was coming out. Yeah. Is that what you thought? Yeah, that was okay. So in, in my interpretation, it was, it was saying, um, he said, um stop trapping and holding captive your confidence in me. So richly set you apart and keep you safe.
00:47:28
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I'm not going to allow your confidence in me to harm you. Wow. Wow.
00:47:35
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Yep. It was like, I would let it out. Occasionally i would let my confidence in God go out occasionally. And then I would, I would mouse back. Yeah.
00:47:46
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Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Well, that's really good confirmation because I definitely thought that immediately. I'm like, oh, that's her voice. Oh, that's her. That's her who she is. That's her identity. That's what God wants to release.
00:47:58
Speaker
Yeah. That's who he created you to be. That's going to bring the transformation. That's going to release his presence to people. It reminded me too of that song. Is it Brandon Lake where it's like, come on, my soul. Don't you get shy on me. Yeah.
00:48:13
Speaker
Yep. You got a lion inside of those lungs. Come on. Get up and praise the Lord. That just reminded me of that. Wow. So you had the interpretation. Absolutely. It took a hot minute to get it, but.
00:48:25
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think. That was back in February. I'm like, yes, sir. God, I'm working on it. Yes, sir. God, I'm working on it. He's so patient though. And I'll tell you what, it really is I have more dreams that have not been interpreted than dreams that have been interpreted.
00:48:40
Speaker
Yeah. I just meaning maybe I've interpreted them, but I'm like, i don't know if this is totally landing because so often it's a timing thing and then something will happen or the revelation will come through a friend or something will play out and you'll go, Oh, that's what it is. And we don't get to determine the timing.
00:48:57
Speaker
Sometimes it's two days. Sometimes it's two years. But I also love, um and maybe we can end with this, but I love that we can, we don't always have the interpretation in our own self.
00:49:09
Speaker
So like with the, with the dragon dream, I was with community on that vacation. Well, it was a Jesus trip. Let's just be real. Like that's where my vacations are. And so I was in community with other girls and I'm sharing it and they had some revelation. Right.
00:49:23
Speaker
And then I'm in community with, um, with the other podcaster and she gave me a nugget and then a friend I'm like, I'm still obviously not getting it. Cause I keep having this recurring dream. And then now you and you're like, Oh, or and I didn't even see the lion dream went with this until right now.
00:49:41
Speaker
While you were in the motion of sharing. Yeah. Yes. and And that's how God designed it is revelation in community. And that's something we actually talk about a ton on the podcast is because we get blind spots too, with our own dreams, where it feels so obvious when someone like your friend pulled it out and you were like, should have gotten that dough.
00:49:59
Speaker
But we have these blind spots and God and creates a sport community. That's a part of, we have the membership where we meet twice a month and we just go through and interpret each other's dreams. And it is so miraculous what comes out of these things that you're like, oh my stars.
00:50:13
Speaker
And everyone gets a little bit different angle often too on the revelation, just because of who they are and how they see. It's just, it enriches it so much.
00:50:23
Speaker
How fun. So fun. Okay, so we are going to close but I just want to I keep looking at the book that you have behind you called No Fear Allowed. Yeah.
Introduction to 'No Fear Allowed' Book
00:50:34
Speaker
Do you want to tell us about that really quick she's got it set up behind her and I'm just so distracted by it I need to hear about it.
00:50:40
Speaker
but um Well, it's our book. Did you write it? Yeah. Yeah. This is one of my, my latest books. And so it's broke up into two parts. The first part is how to get free. And the second part is how to stay free.
00:50:52
Speaker
And so that's my heart's desire is not just to cast the devil out, but that'd be the very beginning journey of like you living in freedom. Cause I know what it's like um, Like so even what we're talking about now is deliverance.
00:51:04
Speaker
Like well we, I got all of these dreams brought, ah brought about deliverance and healing in my life by hearing God's voice through dreams, but also through other people, right? Through revelation and the in the closet through.
00:51:16
Speaker
And so um that's what that book's about. It's about how to get free and how to stay free of fear, anxiety, torment, trauma, but it's, it's called no fear allowed because fear is really at the root of all these. Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:28
Speaker
And it's a recipe kind of book also, because it's step by step. I love it. Can you do me one more favor? we have talked about this on the podcast before, but I would love if you could define deliverance just in case someone pops on and they're hearing this word happen a lot and they don't let me know what it means.
00:51:45
Speaker
Yeah. it sounds so scary, but it's not, it really, and I didn't know what it was. I didn't even know what was happening to me when it did happen to me, but it's really just changing the way you think. If you go to Romans 12 too, it's a really good explanation. Like if you want a biblical, like there's a lot of deliverance in the Bible, but Jesus came to set the captives free, but also like, um okay. Romans 12, two, it says, ah don't be transformed by the, or don't be, don't conform to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
00:52:16
Speaker
And that's what we've been talking about as I had to renew my mind. Through all of these things, I was renewing my mind. And then I also had to say it out loud because there was spirits present. So getting delivered doesn't always mean that there is a devil present. It means you're changing the way you think. And there might be a devil that needs to go to.
00:52:34
Speaker
I love it. It could be either. And so I know i just always pretend like there is one because they here's the thing. It's not your personality to be afraid. It's a choice and maybe ah choice because the devil whispered to you and got in your ear and made your eye gooey. But also it could be because um you just made a choice to be afraid.
Prophetic Healing Coaching and Invitation
00:52:54
Speaker
And so we have to be delivered. And really, you just need to get partnership with someone who can name it. And, and, and has authority to tell it to go. And you might not can do that yourself. Just as much as I needed someone to help me with my dreams.
00:53:06
Speaker
If you've been living in that, you probably need someone to come alongside you. And I, I'll raise my hand. I'd love to help you. I'm a prophetic healing coach. You can jump over to heal with God, the podcast heal with God on any of your podcast players.
00:53:18
Speaker
Or if you want free live coaching, i don't know if I'm allowed to offer this, but I would love for you to go to my prophetic healing workshop. It happens once every month on the third Monday of the month.
00:53:29
Speaker
I do a free workshop. So you're welcome to it. You just have to sign up to get the zoom link. And if you sign up early enough, you can even get free live coaching. If you want it, it's not required. If you want it, you can be the one that gets coached and everyone else gets set free listening to you get coached, or you can just listen.
00:53:45
Speaker
And we will put all of that in the show notes. So they don't have, if they didn't have a chance to write it down, they can just go click on it. I'll make sure to get all that information from you. yeah i go Would you just pray? Actually, I really felt, you know, the fear thing came up a lot today because it's behind a lot of things.
00:54:01
Speaker
And just ending on this note, I felt, um I just felt the authority really in what you were just sharing. Would you just pray over us, all of us as an audience to anyone who might hear this podcast? I mean, someone could hear this podcast in a hundred years. i don't even know.
00:54:18
Speaker
right But just would you release a prayer for rus Oh, Father, we just thank you. thank you that you sent your son, Jesus, to die on the cross for us. And Jesus, we just thank you for your body and your blood.
00:54:30
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Oh, it's just enough. It's just the perfect everything. We thank you that you came to save, heal, and deliver us. And we lift up our worries, our anxieties, our fears of not being in to control, our fear of punishment, our fear of What might come if I don't have my finger on this? And and and we repent for the pride attached to that. We say, please forgive me for having this thought that says I can figure all this out. And even if I worry about it, it'll be in my control. we would just repent of that. And we, we bring it all to your feet, Jesus. And we say, would you please empower us? We know we can't do this in our own strength. We've already tried. And so we ask that you would empower us right now to hand you these fears.
00:55:16
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Hmm. to name them and hand them to you, to find the roots to the issues, to find people in our life. I pray right now that the people listening would find the perfect perfect person to partner with in their life that's a Holy Spirit led and can bring the wisdom that they need in their life to find.
00:55:34
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the freedom that they're looking for, and maybe that they would just have dreams in the night, angelic encounters in the day. And and even right now, for those that are ready for full-on deliverance, I speak to every spirit of fear, fear of punishment, fear of anxiety, fear of worry, fear of being alone, fear of the unknown.
00:55:51
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I see you right now. I bind you in the name of Jesus. And and warrior, just stay with me. I break every agreement I've ever made with you in thought, word, or deed. And I come into agreement with the cross that it is time for me to live my abundant life. And now I take hold of the cross and I say,
00:56:08
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This spirit of fear will leave right now in the name of Jesus. I will not partner with you another minute. Leave now. I revoke all of your authority in my life. In Jesus name, I just released the spirit of God over you. I release the peace of God over you from head to toe. May God just flood you with his love. You know, perfect love cast out all fear. And so right now I just speak to you. Do you know how much your father loves you?
00:56:32
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He loves you so much that he sent his son, Jesus, to die for you. I thank you, God, that you are just overwhelming them with what it means to be in covenant with you, to remember the body and blood of Jesus Christ, that that in itself is the way that you can experience God's love. If you want to do this, whoa, all you got to do right now is just remember Jesus's body and his blood.
00:56:56
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But wasn't that powerful? Like his body? Well, you got to eat it. i know that sounds weird, but he says, eat me. Yeah. and You got to eat me and you got to drink my blood. He says that.
00:57:08
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He says that. And so right now you have to be unashamed of Jesus and you have to be thankful. Jesus died for you to be saved from that anxiety and that worry and that torment and that fear.
00:57:19
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And so you just come in agreement with that while you take the body and the blood. Maybe you're going to go good get some elements right now and just pray over them and believe by faith that they are Jesus' body and blood and take them by faith. And as you take them, you evict the spirit that's tormenting you.
00:57:35
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In Jesus' name, I release you. And I say, you have all authority and power inside of you. You got more power in your pinky than all of hell itself. And you have what it takes to do deliverance or find someone who can do it for you or with you.
00:57:48
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In Jesus name. Amen. Come on.