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What in the Whirl!? East Edition: How the game has changed.
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In this episode of "What in the Whirl," we delved into the exhilarating world of Whirlyball, focusing on three key themes: Whirlyball Nationals predictions, the evolution of the game over the years, and the growing cultural diversity within the sport.
Firstly, we analyzed the upcoming Whirlyball Nationals with expert insights and predictions from seasoned players and sports analysts. Teams like [Team A] and [Team B] were highlighted as strong contenders, while standout players such as [Player X] and [Player Y] were touted for their exceptional skills and strategic prowess on the court.
Next, we explored how Whirlyball has evolved from its humble beginnings to become a highly competitive sport. Discussing advancements in equipment, strategy, and player skills, our guests painted a vivid picture of how the game has transformed over time, attracting a dedicated following and raising the bar for competitive play.
Finally, we celebrated the cultural diversity thriving within the Whirlyball community. From players bringing diverse backgrounds and styles to the sport to initiatives promoting inclusivity and camaraderie, Whirlyball is not only a game of skill but also a melting pot of cultures and experiences.
Join us on "What in the Whirl" as we continue to unravel the excitement and evolution of Whirlyball, bringing you closer to the heart of this dynamic and inclusive sport.
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Transcript
Introduction and Event Preparations
00:00:01
thedfsdeli
Ah yes, Whirly Ball Nationals is officially by the time you're listening to this a week away and we are getting geared up into the final stretch of Nationals preparation as we begin another episode of the East Coast edition of the What in the World podcast. Join us tonight as I sit down with my boy Chill to discuss everything Nationals and Whirly Ball related. Let's do it.
Host Introductions and Upcoming Topics
00:00:43
thedfsdeli
a And welcome in to What in the World, a podcast, the East Coast edition. I am your host Sully Ali Shahid, and I'm joined by my boy, my teammate, my friend, my cohort, my Pokemon, go raid, pal, chill, chill. Welcome to the show, man. What's going on?
00:01:04
Chilly
oh Not much Just getting ready to talk some you know, some more Nationals some more ideas out there um You know and then you know, of course, you know for us Pokemon go folk You know did some raids today.
Pokémon Go and Community Overlap
00:01:22
Chilly
So, you know, we're here We could leave that for a separate podcast but now now I'm just getting ready to dive on in to some Nationals and
00:01:31
thedfsdeli
Hey, listen, man. I like, I like the, ah I like the feedback we got from mentioning that we're Pokemon go nerds. We, we enter it. we We got a lot of friends. Our boy Dalton came through today and posted the old, old friend code.
00:01:43
Chilly
oh Did he oh, oh, well, I guess I'm uh, I had to check the comments Yeah, man.
00:01:44
thedfsdeli
Yeah, he sure did. About an hour ago.
00:01:50
thedfsdeli
Yeah, man. Add them up. You know, we're all one big old community. We're one big worry ball family. Now we're one big sub, you know, Pokemon go community because you best believe when I am playing in seeding games, I'm walking my ass right down the road to do some raids. So, uh, you win.
00:02:04
Chilly
Oh Yeah, man, I mean we ain't got nothing on Jay but uh, I
00:02:04
thedfsdeli
I'm in, you know?
00:02:11
thedfsdeli
Yo, that's some, that's some crazy shit boy.
00:02:13
Chilly
I do that man, this dedication, a huge shout out to him. We will never be on that level.
00:02:22
thedfsdeli
No. Nor do I want to be on that level.
00:02:26
thedfsdeli
I think I might call it a retirement when I hit ah level 40 and I think I'm done. i don't I don't need to. I don't need anything else to prove in that game.
00:02:32
Chilly
Nah, man, you got to strive for 50. It'll take you about 10 years to get there, but strive for 50.
00:02:38
thedfsdeli
Well not if you have like seven accounts like J did.
00:02:41
Chilly
Again, we're we're we're not even in the same country as that.
00:02:46
thedfsdeli
Facts. facts. But again, we put out the caveat to anybody that's listening that does play Pokemon go, go ahead and put that friend code in the comments, because there's going to be a group of whirly ballers that are going to be outrated. So just let's go ahead and throw that bad boy in there.
Etiquette in Public Spaces
00:03:01
thedfsdeli
Um, so before we get started, can I can I tell you a personal story and a and a disclaimer that happened to me tonight? Before we get into the whirly talk? can't Can I can I kind of speak on what happened tonight now?
00:03:12
Chilly
Yeah, yeah, let's let's ah let's do it.
00:03:14
thedfsdeli
Excellent. So I have a girl's softball game today, you know, and um I left the girls with the kids, dropped them off with her mom and I'm on the way home. You know, I'm tired. I'm sweaty. It's Friday. I'm filthy. I just want to get my black ass home. So obviously I ain't cooking. So I'm gonna go ahead and pick me up something to eat. All right. So I hit the old Chipotle down the road, which is in Middleburg Heights, the better Chipotle, because the one on Tiedemann is ass. So I walk in and there's like three people in line. I'm like, sweet. I'm in and out that bad boy. You know what I'm saying? Get behind the two people, one person orders, second person orders, third person gets up. This asshole.
00:03:58
thedfsdeli
orders seven and I'm not exaggerate seven burritos has a full list of shit that he needs to get off his phone to order seven burritos, three bowls, a soft taco order and a hard taco order.
00:03:58
Chilly
Bye.
00:04:17
thedfsdeli
all in front of me. That line went from us three and another young lady that walked in behind me to out the king door because this man was still ordering.
00:04:30
Chilly
does Does he know that online was an option?
00:04:32
thedfsdeli
That's the first, that's the first thing I said again, bro. I'm tired. Okay. It is Friday. I just want my little bowl, right? So I can get my ass home on the couch and relax, crack a beer or two. No, this man orders $160 worth of Chipotle in front of me, the guy in front of me.
00:04:53
Chilly
here
00:04:59
thedfsdeli
I'm literally like he fitted, he finishes one thing and like the girl is like, okay, how can I help you? He goes, Oh, I wasn't done. I was like, Oh, hell no. And orders the soft and hard tacos. I'm like, this sucker, bro. Like, yes, etiquette, people, etiquette. If you're gonna order that much food, go on your little fucking app, okay, or however you wanna order your Chipotle, and just pick it up.
00:05:31
Chilly
Don't be that. So just don't be that guy at Chipotle.
00:05:34
thedfsdeli
Don't be that guy.
00:05:35
Chilly
Or if there's nobody in line, be like, yo, go in front.
00:05:39
thedfsdeli
Right, right, that's like, that's like the freaking, um the that so is Aldi, that have, or any grocery store for that matter that doesn't have a self checkout line that has the cart full of stuff and they look you dead in the eye with your loaf of bread and they won't let you go in, they won't let you go in front of them.
00:06:00
Chilly
yeah
00:06:03
thedfsdeli
Hey man, go ahead, cash out. I'm going to be a while. No, they're just going to load up the conveyor belt and watch you suffer while your little loaf of bread is getting crinkled in your hand because you're fuming Because you know you should you should have been let in front of that person. Etiquette. I don't understand.
00:06:25
Chilly
or those people or those people that they give you the uh the false hope that they don't have anything and then they pull out 27 coupons
00:06:25
thedfsdeli
I don't get it.
00:06:33
thedfsdeli
I don't even mind the coupons.
00:06:33
Chilly
and it
00:06:34
thedfsdeli
Like the coupons are okay.
00:06:34
Chilly
And then, listen, and then God help you when they're off by 20 cents and they have to recount.
00:06:41
thedfsdeli
Yo, the worst, the worst, the worst thing is the old people with the coin purses.
00:06:48
Chilly
we need Oh, let me, hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:06:48
thedfsdeli
If that total, if that total is 1798, you best believe that coin purse is coming out and they're like, hold on a second, sweetheart. Hold on. Cause Lord, Lord, heaven, heaven forbid.
00:06:59
Chilly
Don't.
00:07:00
thedfsdeli
They just give the cashier the 20 and they get $2 and two cents back. No, no, no, no, no. No, you're getting the 20, but they're going to find 98 cents.
00:07:08
Chilly
oh Oh, let me make you some sandwiches. so
00:07:12
thedfsdeli
Hold on a second. Let me just I know I got an extra quarter in here somewhere bitch.
00:07:14
Chilly
o
00:07:19
thedfsdeli
I Will pay for you just get out of my way.
00:07:23
Chilly
Don't give them the change and still try to pay by credit card.
00:07:27
thedfsdeli
Oh My god No
00:07:30
Chilly
yeah we need a We need a podcast on a grocery store etiquette.
00:07:36
thedfsdeli
No, I just need rants about grocery store etiquette. Because I don't want to make i don't want to make an entire like hour discussion about you know just people acting poorly in grocery stores and gas stations and freaking Chipotle.
00:07:51
Chilly
yeah You don't like those people at the grocery stores that leave their cart in the middle of the aisle and then block the other part with their ass?
00:08:00
Chilly
yeah Come on.
00:08:03
thedfsdeli
Yo, my, my worst thing before I start talking world of all is people that still pay by check.
00:08:10
Chilly
It's 2024.
00:08:11
thedfsdeli
It's 2024. I'm still bringing out the damn checkbook and balancing their shit on the fly. Hold on a second. Who, who would you like me to write the check out to the cashier is like, I don't know what to do with that thing.
00:08:20
Chilly
Yeah. suspicious
00:08:26
thedfsdeli
Write it out to the, I don't know. Writing a check here now.
00:08:32
Chilly
Yeah, fuck.
00:08:34
thedfsdeli
All right, checks to pay my rent. That's about it.
00:08:38
Chilly
You don't want to get, I wonder, those those are the same people that still use money orders.
00:08:44
thedfsdeli
Bro, not the money order. I haven't seen a money order in a long time. Okay, back back on topic. I just had to get that out of my
Best Whirly Ball Team Names
00:08:59
thedfsdeli
system. That pissed me off so bad tonight, man. I just I couldn't help myself. I really couldn't. Here we go. All right. So before before we jump into a few ideas here about what's coming up for nationals, I have to give out an award.
00:09:16
thedfsdeli
Okay.
00:09:16
Chilly
What award?
00:09:17
thedfsdeli
Yeah, an award.
00:09:18
Chilly
What award?
00:09:18
thedfsdeli
An award has already been one chill in whirly ball. It's already been one. And I think you know what this award is because we talked about it at whirly ball I do believe last time we were together.
00:09:31
thedfsdeli
the best named team in Whirly ball has already been one.
00:09:34
Chilly
oh oh this um Oh, this was, yeah, this was your thing, yeah.
00:09:37
thedfsdeli
Yeah, they they already won. They already won. So if you're a member of this team and you see me, cause I'm one of, you know, four black guys there, just the one with all the tattoos, that's, that's me.
00:09:48
Chilly
okay Yeah.
00:09:50
thedfsdeli
That's your boy. If you are a member of world's gone wild, You won. You have the best team name and it's not particularly close. So congratulations. Oh, actually, you know what? A close second to the slamming salmon.
00:10:10
thedfsdeli
but That was a good one too, but world was going wild. I think there is Chicago D team. If I'm not mistaken.
00:10:16
Chilly
I believe so.
00:10:19
thedfsdeli
So any members of that team, I don't have the rosters in front of me, but you won. You have the best team name. Congratulations.
00:10:26
Chilly
Yeah, I mean, we we can ah we we could buy them a drink.
00:10:26
thedfsdeli
Congratulations.
00:10:29
Chilly
I'll buy them a drink.
00:10:30
thedfsdeli
Oh yeah. First round's on me without question. Say, Hey, Sully, I'm on that team. Hey, come on up to the bar. And if a bar is that what you fancy, if you bring out your Pokemon go account, I will trade you a shiny of your choice. You got a special trade on me.
00:10:47
Chilly
And if you don't Pokemon go, we'll buy a Chipotle, but we learned etiquette today.
00:10:54
thedfsdeli
We're ordering online.
00:10:55
Chilly
Yeah, right.
00:10:57
thedfsdeli
That's the Connecticut. We're ordered online for you.
00:11:00
thedfsdeli
So a beer, a burrito or a shiny. It's on you. World's gone wild. Congratulations. Best team name for Nash.
00:11:00
Chilly
Unless.
00:11:07
Chilly
Unless if you pay an exact change, then fuck off.
00:11:13
thedfsdeli
I'm paying by check.
00:11:17
Chilly
If you pay by check, let me know.
00:11:17
thedfsdeli
Just putting that out there.
00:11:19
Chilly
You need help.
00:11:20
thedfsdeli
i I just need to keep my but my books balanced, bro. That's all I'm saying. I got to keep track of my money.
00:11:27
Chilly
at What is today?
00:11:27
thedfsdeli
so ah Would you like me to post date this because it's a Sunday or will you be able to cash it today?
00:11:29
Chilly
June what?
00:11:38
thedfsdeli
All right. I'm done. I'm done. But again, congratulations to World's Gone Wild. Again, close second to the Slammin' Salmon. um Great team names. Great creativity this year.
Diversity in Whirly Ball
00:11:49
thedfsdeli
Love it. Love every bit of it. Um, so there was a, uh, before I get into an idea for unlimited. and Okay. Cause I want to run this past you, but, uh, there was a question raised by one of my teammates, actually Cheryl Mooney. About the diversity, basically of whirligball, you know, the lack of, um, women in our sport for the most part.
00:12:13
thedfsdeli
Um, I think we do, we have one Hall of Famer, right?
00:12:15
Chilly
It's one bigs. Yes, Miss Christie from Seattle.
00:12:21
thedfsdeli
Yeah, Christie was awesome player. um But do you think there's, do you think there's room for more, you know, women in our sport? You know, cause I don't want to see like, there shouldn't be no WNBA of Orly ball. Like screw all that. Like you got to play with us. Sorry about it. But as k Christie's probably proved, like it doesn't matter if you're a woman or a they or them or somewhere in between, you can play a sport, you can play a sport. So do you think there's like more room or opportunities for, you know, to to market to women in our sport?
00:12:59
Chilly
I mean, yeah, as long as, you know, the men in our sport don't fucking creep them out or scare them away, then yeah. I mean, let's be honest. One attractive female walks through that door. Oh, everybody's there. We've seen it before.
00:13:15
thedfsdeli
ah
00:13:16
Chilly
We've seen it a thousand times.
00:13:17
thedfsdeli
Uh, uh, you might have a good point. So what are you saying? You got to be ugly and play the sport to like, okay, good.
00:13:25
Chilly
I'm not saying that.
00:13:27
thedfsdeli
Cause I mean, there's Ah, ah, ah, for like some built in protection.
00:13:27
Chilly
at this point At this point, you probably got to be married or have a boyfriend in the sport. Yeah, right?
00:13:38
thedfsdeli
Like, you know, my man play a, right? yeah
00:13:45
thedfsdeli
Did not say you that's my man out there.
00:13:46
Chilly
william yeah But no, I mean, come on.
00:13:49
thedfsdeli
That's fair.
00:13:51
Chilly
There's always room to grow for a sport. I mean, more women would always be great. You know whirly ball doesn't care who what you are if if you could ball you could ball Well, it's the majority I think it's for women than Dalton, right Yeah, yeah, ah so that's that yeah, yeah, dude
00:14:04
thedfsdeli
didn' Didn't we discuss that? Was it Chicago had an all women team that fell apart or did they keep the majority of them?
00:14:15
thedfsdeli
I do believe that's correct. Yeah.
00:14:18
thedfsdeli
What a baller. What a baller. My God. He gets to play with four chicks. That's awesome.
00:14:24
Chilly
Yeah. Hell yeah.
00:14:25
thedfsdeli
Good man.
00:14:25
Chilly
I mean, good. Hell yeah. I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, there's, I mean, in our sport, there's definitely always room for growth. Uh, I mean, we can probably, uh, we should probably have, uh, get a woman's perspective on a podcast episode or,
00:14:41
thedfsdeli
That's
Listener Participation Invitation
00:14:42
thedfsdeli
fair. Oh, uh, that's another thing I want to mention open invitation for anybody that has a functional microphone that wants to hang out with us and potentially podcast again, if you want to be a guest hope by all means hit me up or you know, I'd get you on a show for the test run. And if you actually suck behind a microphone, I'll just boot your ass off and then call it a day, but open invitation.
00:15:03
Chilly
Or if you got something to get off your chest.
00:15:06
thedfsdeli
Yeah, I agree.
00:15:07
Chilly
yeah If you want to talk shit about your center, another center, our center, come on.
00:15:07
thedfsdeli
I agree.
00:15:13
thedfsdeli
Agreed, all are welcome here at One in the World, the East Edition. Oh shit, I got sidetracked again. Chill, you know where I messed up about naming the podcast? I named the podcast in and like relative distance to Seattle, right? Cause they have theirs and then like you kick over ah hundreds and hundreds of miles you have hours. But after some thought, I kind of remembered that Ohio is the Midwest.
00:15:41
Chilly
Oh, yeah. Dude, it's fucking bu the Midwest.
00:15:45
thedfsdeli
Yeah, so this really should be the Midwest edition of the What in the World podcast, but yeah, here we are.
00:15:47
Chilly
The...
00:15:54
Chilly
That's semantics.
00:15:56
thedfsdeli
Yeah, I know, but no one called me out about it. I called myself out about it. So you can't go back and retrospect, like, Oh, you know what, Sully? Yeah, you know, Ohio and.
00:16:04
Chilly
They just show us a fucking picture of a map.
00:16:09
thedfsdeli
Yeah, I don't need no, well, actually mother is coming at me.
00:16:11
Chilly
think
00:16:12
thedfsdeli
Okay. Like, all right. It is the Midwest, but this is the East Coast edition of the, the, the, the war in the world podcast. So again, rant over. I just had to throw that out there for perspective. Um, back to the the other topic that I mentioned is that women, yeah all right, I'm, I'm gonna play the, I'm gonna play the card. Chill.
00:16:33
Chilly
Oh,
00:16:33
thedfsdeli
I'm about to play it. I'm about to play it. Chill.
00:16:37
Chilly
um no.
00:16:37
thedfsdeli
Women have more representation in whirly ball this year than black people.
00:16:45
Chilly
But y'all, I mean, hey, we got one we got we got our black guy.
00:16:47
thedfsdeli
Don't say that's my problem, chill. Don't say that's my problem.
00:16:52
Chilly
I can't speak for everybody else.
00:16:58
thedfsdeli
So you're saying other than michigan and other than Michigan and what, Atlanta, right?
00:17:00
Chilly
We hit we hit our quota.
00:17:07
thedfsdeli
No one else has met their black quota?
00:17:08
Chilly
and unless unless they Unless if we have any D players that are black, shout out.
00:17:13
thedfsdeli
I guess we'll find out because again, I'm not familiar with their game.
00:17:15
Chilly
Yeah.
00:17:16
thedfsdeli
You know, I'm, I'm pulling the shack. I'm not, I'm not familiar with the d player's game yet, but, uh, if there's some more, there's a more black folk, man. Let's, let's get a squad together. Me, me, Austin and Kaylin have been waiting for years.
00:17:28
Chilly
Yeah.
Racial Diversity in Whirly Ball
00:17:29
Chilly
Yeah. I mean, we're, you know, you know, we lost Unck. Shout out Uncle, Uncle Carlton.
00:17:32
thedfsdeli
I know. Yeah. We lost. Unk. Unk is gone.
00:17:35
Chilly
Yeah. I mean, it's probably, I mean, since we lost, you know, unfortunately we lost Howard, but Howard would get you all confused anyway.
00:17:43
thedfsdeli
Hey man, that's, ah that's what Austin has been my cousin for what eight years now.
00:17:48
Chilly
I mean, y'all look alike. Hood up, hood down.
00:17:51
thedfsdeli
Hey, listen, you know, what's really funny is that Austin decided to grow his hair out and I started to grow my hair out. And last time we went to Michigan, this mother has a full bone grown beard, just like me.
00:18:05
Chilly
i
00:18:06
thedfsdeli
So without the tattoos, we're the same dude.
00:18:10
Chilly
Maybe Howard was onto to something, man.
00:18:13
thedfsdeli
Maybe he was, maybe he was. Shout out to my cousin, Austin, damn it. Forget all that. But yeah, man, how can we get, how can we get other centers to fill the quota of the black player? Huh? I mean like Cleveland has a center in the middle of Bedford freaking Heights and I can't get no black folk in there.
00:18:30
Chilly
no you
00:18:30
thedfsdeli
You got me and that's it.
00:18:33
Chilly
we we had we had We had chocolate thunder. We had Norris for a year, 14 years ago.
00:18:40
thedfsdeli
ah
00:18:42
Chilly
Oh, chocolate thunder.
00:18:44
thedfsdeli
So you're saying that Cleveland has had two black representatives at Royal wall in nationals over the past 20 years.
00:18:51
Chilly
Hey, we're trying. We're trying. We're trying to be diverse here.
00:18:55
thedfsdeli
I respect that. I respect that soon enough that, you know, and now that I played my card, someone's going to play the Asian card next.
00:19:05
thedfsdeli
We should have whirly ball race wars. You ever think of that? I want the Mexicans. All right. I want all of them.
00:19:14
Chilly
I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
00:19:14
thedfsdeli
knowing that 90% of my players, they beat that ass. But Hey, what
00:19:18
Chilly
My squad's sitting pretty good.
00:19:22
thedfsdeli
the white squad?
00:19:23
Chilly
Yeah.
00:19:24
thedfsdeli
Hey man, y'all gonna have to break up. Y'all gonna have to get, y'all gonna have to get divvied up.
00:19:27
Chilly
Nah, nah, nah, man, we're the fucking dream team out there.
00:19:29
thedfsdeli
AIDS group or something.
00:19:32
thedfsdeli
Listen, man.
00:19:34
Chilly
We're the world has to catch up. The other races got to catch up. it
00:19:43
thedfsdeli
Well, it caught up in baseball. So I mean, at some point y'all at one again.
00:19:48
Chilly
should
00:19:49
thedfsdeli
Okay. And then it just, it was a shit store from there. So I'm just saying.
00:19:53
Chilly
Hey, I mean, my favorite baseball player is still Barry Bonds, so
00:19:59
thedfsdeli
So you mean that the black folk that come in the game have to be like on performance enhancing drugs? Is that what you're saying?
00:20:04
Chilly
It was never proven. It was he it was never proven.
00:20:12
Chilly
tra I mean, listen, pre accusations, he still hit 448 home runs and stole 300 something bases. No other players even done that in history. So plus everybody else.
00:20:25
thedfsdeli
Oh, that was that was that was the stat that if you took away his seven MVP seasons, he still had those numbers that no other player in MLB history is done.
00:20:36
Chilly
I mean, ah listen, I like Barry and Ken Griffey Jr.
00:20:42
thedfsdeli
I mean, I get it. I don't mind you liking black players. You like me, but still that doesn't mean that we don't need the representation in the sport.
00:20:46
Chilly
Yeah.
00:20:53
thedfsdeli
I say y'all let one of us in over the floodgates.
00:21:00
thedfsdeli
I think, I think it'd be, I think it'd be a fun race war or a whirly ball race war. I think it'd be great.
00:21:06
Chilly
It would be great.
00:21:06
thedfsdeli
I want or the diverse or the diversity diversity ah tournament.
00:21:11
Chilly
okay
00:21:11
thedfsdeli
I want the women. All right. Let oh heaven forbid if we get a black woman team. Oh shit.
00:21:20
thedfsdeli
Oh man. Do you imagine the amount of harassment they would provide to the refs? Holy crap.
00:21:29
Chilly
You remember when Rick thought Carlton was a girl?
00:21:32
thedfsdeli
Yes. Yes, he asked about 700 times that nationals is, is, is, I mean, at least 700 times, like, whoa, man, names, Carlton, like, yo, know
00:21:38
Chilly
but It was so stupid. come
00:21:50
Chilly
Yeah, 2011 national shout out.
00:21:57
thedfsdeli
that year, you almost lost a black guy that year.
00:22:00
Chilly
He played with the Reinholds dynasty, bro. Come on.
00:22:03
thedfsdeli
I was about to be one and done playing with unlimited champions in D that year.
00:22:06
Chilly
that eat
00:22:11
Chilly
it got separated and uh it got separated and uh you know the real d winners with those two seattle teams and then you know the d gold shit it was f so be yo motherfucker suck
00:22:23
thedfsdeli
Yeah. Yeah. D plus and it really was. That was the first year of the F division.
00:22:34
thedfsdeli
I can proudly say I played in the first and the first ever F division. The first ever.
00:22:40
Chilly
You know, come on, D gold.
00:22:44
thedfsdeli
Don't get that. Don't get that tournament. No credit chill.
00:22:46
Chilly
D sea gold, come on.
00:22:49
thedfsdeli
Don't do that. Don't get that tournament.
00:22:50
Chilly
That was the first ever participation division.
00:22:53
thedfsdeli
Yes. Perfect. Perfect way to summarize it.
00:22:57
Chilly
I was like, I was like, you guys tried.
00:22:58
thedfsdeli
That was the first ever participation division.
00:23:01
Chilly
Good good job.
00:23:02
thedfsdeli
Right. You showed up. I appreciate you getting a hotel and paying your entry fee.
00:23:04
Chilly
Shout out.
00:23:07
thedfsdeli
Great job.
00:23:08
Chilly
Y'all can't, y'all can't compete.
00:23:08
thedfsdeli
Great job. Right.
00:23:10
Chilly
What would these boys?
00:23:12
thedfsdeli
Right. That's like, that's like if the damn Celtics went down to the D league and was like, what's up?
00:23:24
Chilly
yeah Yeah.
00:23:24
thedfsdeli
Why are you here? Why are you here?
00:23:27
Chilly
It's like we got the Celtics and Mavs in the G League finals. Well, no shit.
00:23:34
thedfsdeli
Who would've thunk?
00:23:34
Chilly
I mean, oh, I mean, I mean, huge credit to those guys.
00:23:35
thedfsdeli
Who would've thunk it?
00:23:39
Chilly
So.
00:23:40
thedfsdeli
Oh, yeah, without question, without question.
00:23:42
Chilly
I mean, but Barrett, Weber, Colby, Jordan.
00:23:46
thedfsdeli
Mm-hmm.
00:23:49
Chilly
Shout out to those guys.
00:23:51
thedfsdeli
Yeah, they were they were ahead of their time.
00:23:52
Chilly
Yeah, Colby. I just remember Colby falling out on the floor, fell out of his car onto the floor for a nice four point penalty. Remember that?
00:24:00
thedfsdeli
yeah
00:24:02
Chilly
That fucker got drilled and he fell right out the damn car.
00:24:08
thedfsdeli
probably felt bad for the team. He was going against to give him some points. He was like, I'm just gonna, Oh, my bad.
00:24:12
Chilly
No, no, that was in the D. That was in the real D championship game.
00:24:17
Chilly
Well, yeah, you wouldn't know anything about that participation.
00:24:20
thedfsdeli
Not, not that year.
00:24:23
Chilly
No, not that year.
00:24:24
thedfsdeli
Not that year. No, sir.
00:24:26
Chilly
That year.
00:24:28
thedfsdeli
Hey, listen, man. All right. Let me get
Tournament Format Proposal
00:24:31
thedfsdeli
to ah let me. Let me switch gears here. So I have this, I have this idea for the unlimited, the unlimited format. All right, hear me out. Okay, you listening? You ready?
00:24:43
thedfsdeli
am i Am I ready to tilt some tilt some people off the face of the planet and or, you know, stir a good discussion?
00:24:43
Chilly
Yeah.
00:24:50
Chilly
Are we losing that we losing viewers or listeners?
00:24:53
thedfsdeli
No, no, no, no, no, no. I think that I think that people like to complain and bitch about this format enough. So ah that's why I want to I want to make sure that there's fresh ideas out there.
00:24:59
Chilly
Yeah.
00:25:04
thedfsdeli
Okay. So hear me out. Right. So we already discussed that nationals is probably going to have to extend to another day just spot just for scheduling purposes.
00:25:13
Chilly
I mean, we kind of hope so, right?
00:25:13
thedfsdeli
Oh, we're hoping so.
00:25:15
Chilly
Because it's growing our sport.
00:25:17
thedfsdeli
Yeah, exactly. And there's there's nothing wrong with more whirly ball. Okay, like into the day. get to play more. So, all right, here's the breakdown, right? You have the unlimited tournament, which is represented by three teams. Okay. You're this year, you know, Texas, Seattle, Michigan, right? Moving forward, if we extended a day, we should have an limited tournament to earn the right to get into the unlimited tournament. Hear me out.
00:25:53
thedfsdeli
In order to qualify for the limited tournament, you have to A, have a center representative in A, okay? So that means there's there's four teams right now, right? Seattle, Cleveland, Michigan, Texas, or if you played A before, so Atlanta, even though they're debunked. So there's there's five, so for now, for now.
00:26:16
Chilly
for now.
00:26:18
thedfsdeli
So there's five teams that could be in limited, unless you have already qualified for unlimited. Okay. So this year you have your three teams. Let's say it's, let's say it's shoot, shoot my shot. Let's say Texas, Seattle, and the final they've earned the right to next year represent themselves in the unlimited tournament as two out of the three participants in the limited tournament.
00:26:50
thedfsdeli
You have the other guys, the other teams that could represent themselves in the limited tournament, you win that tournament, you get to be the third team in the unlimited tournament.
00:27:01
Chilly
So are you saying the team that finishes third the year before goes back down?
00:27:05
thedfsdeli
It's out. They're back down in the limited.
00:27:10
thedfsdeli
So they get, what is it called in soccer? reg Relegated?
00:27:13
Chilly
Yes.
00:27:13
thedfsdeli
rick Yes, relegated. So they get relegated to the limited tournament the following year. And then you play it out, whoever wins the limited tournament is that third spot in the unlimited tournament, and you just do it every year. unless there's and And in order to get added, obviously, you have to have an A representative. So let's say Chicago wins B this year. They go to A. They can put together their best five to be represented in the limited tournament. Thoughts?
00:27:44
Chilly
Would you give Seattle and Michigan one more team in that tournament?
00:27:48
thedfsdeli
Absolutely not.
00:27:49
thedfsdeli
No, one center, once one representative, one team, one city.
00:27:49
Chilly
No?
00:27:49
Chilly
Okay.
00:27:54
Chilly
I'm just tossing on ideas because obviously, you know, both of those centers got really good players.
00:28:00
thedfsdeli
Right. Absolutely. They have top flight players. I mean, they're, and that's, that's kudos to them because they've developed a a plethora of talent. They developed this, this, this landfill of just great players, but one team One representative, one shot, thoughts.
00:28:24
Chilly
Uh, so would, would that tournament, you would have to be single elimination games, correct? You would think.
00:28:29
thedfsdeli
Yeah, single single elimination, single elimination, because again, we don't want the tournament stretching out so far that it's impeding the other seeding games.
00:28:31
Chilly
All right.
00:28:37
Chilly
How would you determine seating? So like for this year, let's say like we would be last. Correct.
00:28:46
thedfsdeli
Yeah.
00:28:46
Chilly
Ideally.
00:28:46
thedfsdeli
Yeah.
00:28:47
thedfsdeli
Cause you're, you know, the newest team.
00:28:47
Chilly
Right.
00:28:50
Chilly
Okay.
00:28:50
thedfsdeli
Then I would just go, I would just go at that point by, let's say I wouldn't, I guess I can't say banners.
00:28:51
Chilly
And then.
00:28:59
thedfsdeli
Okay. Years in a, how about that? Your experience in a and or banners.
00:29:07
Chilly
We can't go by A banners.
00:29:10
thedfsdeli
That's what I'm saying. At that point, do you default to experience, but let's say Texas wins a this year.
00:29:14
Chilly
What you could do, you could go from the year before, right? So like, um, let's say like, let's say it's like Atlanta, Texas, right? For the winner of the limited tournament.
00:29:24
thedfsdeli
Mm hmm.
00:29:26
Chilly
So next year, like Texas would be one, Atlanta would be two. We'd be three and if Chicago wins, they default to four.
00:29:35
thedfsdeli
Yeah, that could work.
00:29:36
Chilly
and then you just go where you finished previously.
00:29:38
thedfsdeli
Yeah, that could work. Absolutely.
00:29:39
Chilly
All right.
00:29:40
thedfsdeli
Yeah, previous year, then we could do that.
00:29:41
Chilly
Yeah, yeah, we could do previews here.
00:29:44
thedfsdeli
Yeah. So what do you think about that format?
00:29:48
Chilly
I mean, it's kind of it's basically kind of like the Mortal Kombat step ladder format, in a sense. um You know, it's it's a little modified.
00:29:58
thedfsdeli
Yeah, except it's a little modified, you know, cause like it's not the entire tournament in the same day.
00:30:03
Chilly
Correct, because it's not the entire tournament because at least then, you know, you would still have, you know, the other version of it. um i mean i don't
00:30:11
thedfsdeli
And that way you're not calling yourself an unlimited team unless you truly earned your way into the unlimited tournament. You know, so it's like, if we do a Mortal Kombat style without this limited format that I'm suggesting, it's like, Oh, I'm playing on unlimited Cleveland team. It's like, nah, bitch. You got to earn your way to call yourself an unlimited team. Okay. You got to win this one first and then go to the next one. So it's kind of breaking it up apart.
00:30:35
Chilly
It's kind you kind of common combining the two. I don't think it's a bad idea at all.
00:30:39
thedfsdeli
Yeah.
00:30:41
Chilly
Listen, we can always try something once, right?
00:30:46
thedfsdeli
Yeah, and if it if it sucks or it isn't working, then whatever, yeah.
00:30:47
Chilly
And it if it and if it sucks, right. um you know Again, I don't mind it.
00:30:50
thedfsdeli
Right.
00:30:53
Chilly
I guess at that point, like you can always make the determination whether or not you want to include Chicago and Minnesota, even if you don't win A. That way you give every center some representation. Again, it's up for debate.
00:31:05
thedfsdeli
Well, I think that was, that was, yeah, that was like the precipice of everybody's argument was you gotta win a in order to win unlimited. No, I just feel like at this point you need to be represented in a, like you've earned the right to be in this division, but you should also earn the right to play the best of the best. Let's say, you know, uh, a team goes out and gets fricking Molly whopped in the first round by whoever that's okay. At least you had the, at least you had the chance to compete against those guys, but you're playing against those guys in a already, like I'm not throwing in, you know, a Minnesota team to get destroyed by a Texas team. No, but over the years, if they earn their way into a they've already proven that they're good enough to compete. So at that point, you're just playing the damn game. So.
00:32:00
Chilly
I mean, it's fair. I mean, it's an idea for sure. I don't hate it.
00:32:04
thedfsdeli
well Well, you're a member of the committee, Chill. I need you to ah provide the power stroke.
00:32:10
Chilly
Hey, man, I mean, we'll we got a full year for that. You know, we'll see. ah We'll see how unlimited it goes this year and then, you know, we'll go from there.
00:32:17
thedfsdeli
All right. All right.
00:32:21
Chilly
I mean, I think some of it kind of hinges on it to how well we do an A, you know, depending on how it looks out there.
00:32:31
thedfsdeli
I just feel like you've earned your way to be there already. So like if if you have like some kind of expectation that you're going to get absolutely freaking mollywapped off the face of the damn planet, then that's one thing, but I don't feel that way. I don't think any of your peers feel that way. You can, you can tell by, you know, the, the last podcast that people are excited to see Cleveland being represented in one fashion or another.
00:32:50
Chilly
No, I don't think so either.
00:32:57
Chilly
I think for the A players, they just finally get to play against new people because they've been playing the same people for 10, 15 years now.
00:32:58
thedfsdeli
So it's like,
00:33:13
Chilly
They'd be like, hey, they'd be like, huh, that's somebody new.
00:33:18
thedfsdeli
I mean, yeah, that's true.
Team Dynamics and Evolution
00:33:21
thedfsdeli
That's true. You mean new as an old as in you get to play the guys that have been playing the game for like eons.
00:33:28
Chilly
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:30
thedfsdeli
You've officially ascended into the old guard.
00:33:34
Chilly
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:35
thedfsdeli
All right, well, right.
00:33:37
Chilly
We we did it.
00:33:40
thedfsdeli
Hey, look, my I made it.
00:33:42
Chilly
I made it.
00:33:43
thedfsdeli
I made it.
00:33:46
thedfsdeli
I'm just happy that I feel like I'm gonna make it to the end of the show without my internet going out.
00:33:47
Chilly
I mean.
00:33:52
thedfsdeli
That would be kind of cool.
00:33:53
Chilly
I mean, it would be it'd be really cool because then I'd be here by myself, awkwardly.
00:33:59
thedfsdeli
Listen, if you ever hear if you hear me drop out, just just pull up your pull up some music on your phone, hopefully non copyright it and just just do the ex just do the outro and not appreciate that.
00:34:10
Chilly
for all the outro.
00:34:12
thedfsdeli
Yeah, just just roll the outro for me. I would appreciate that.
00:34:16
Chilly
i'll ah ahll I'll call you on Facebook. We'll finish it together. you
00:34:22
thedfsdeli
ah yeah
00:34:23
Chilly
hello
00:34:25
thedfsdeli
Well, now I know like moving forward, I can just hotspot my phone and just like jump back in.
00:34:25
Chilly
your point
00:34:30
thedfsdeli
Last time, uh, I forced stopped it. Like as soon as I got back on the hotspot, I could have kept recording and then like left off where I was. But you know, that things happen. I mean, Gus was telling me a little bit. He's got to go through, you know, all the technical difficulties he does with all his streaming stuff, which by the way,
00:34:48
Chilly
I couldn't imagine.
00:34:49
thedfsdeli
Yeah, by the way, yeah, if you haven't checked out what Gus is cooking up, and if you would like to provide a donation or anything towards you know his new equipment that he's trying to fund for us, the Whirly Ball community, make sure you give him a shout out to contribute to the the enhancement of the streaming services provided by him, so.
00:34:49
Chilly
Shout out to Gus.
00:35:13
Chilly
Our NFL films, so to speak,
00:35:17
thedfsdeli
It really is like NFL films, isn't it?
00:35:19
Chilly
hell yeah it is or sometimes you go like wow that's the last time i didn't have a beard i mean i'd be like wow i dropped a lot of weight or wow i got fat wow i lost my hair wow
00:35:20
thedfsdeli
Sometimes I go into the archives and just look like, wow, the year that could have been.
00:35:34
thedfsdeli
I don't remember the last time I had a beer or didn't have a beer.
00:35:45
thedfsdeli
I don't, I don't want to look at that. Uh, I think it was the first year we went the first time went to Atlanta when I was like 300, almost 300. Oh my God, dude. Looking back at those pictures. Sheesh.
00:36:00
Chilly
The days of fat Sully.
00:36:02
thedfsdeli
Yeah. That was the, uh, that was the, I tell you when I, when I fuck up team, there was work that ball on the back.
00:36:07
Chilly
No, that was worked out. Oh, yeah, along the back of the shirt.
00:36:11
thedfsdeli
Yeah. On the back. I said, I'll tell you when I fuck up.
00:36:14
Chilly
I remember walking onto the court and Tommy was up in our playoff game and he read the shirt. and He was like, ah, got it.
00:36:23
Chilly
yeah
00:36:26
thedfsdeli
Yes, yes, indeed. Those are the good old days. Those are the good old days. So do you, have do you, do you have a certain, you have a certain tournament year that you, like, is there a one that got away tournament year for you? Cause I mean, you've one see you won't be before, you know, just when it last year, you you've got banners under your belt, but is there a year that there was another one that was just hanging out there?
00:36:41
Chilly
like Like that we should have did better in.
00:36:54
thedfsdeli
Better or one or anything of the sort.
00:36:58
Chilly
Oh, yeah, that's easy. The year we split up our B teams for Atlanta.
00:37:03
thedfsdeli
Mm-hmm.
00:37:03
Chilly
Yeah, it was probably that year because we could have built one really good B team and put all the old guard on one. He called it a day.
00:37:14
thedfsdeli
would have killed them.
00:37:17
Chilly
Yeah, but that's not our problem.
00:37:19
thedfsdeli
You're right. That's not our problem.
00:37:20
Chilly
listen please Listen, they thought they were better than us anyway.
00:37:26
thedfsdeli
Brother, which actually brings me into the next topic of conversation is that the changing of the game, right? Because we had this brief conversation at and it was practice maybe two, two weeks ago at this point. If you took our new school team versus our old school team, we would kill them.
00:37:45
Chilly
Oh yeah, we're now now we're beating that ass.
00:37:45
thedfsdeli
And it wouldn't be particularly close, actually. We'd kill them.
00:37:51
Chilly
Yeah.
00:37:51
thedfsdeli
I mean, like, this was only what what what year was that what year is that Texas one? Five years ago?
00:37:57
Chilly
Uh, which, which one I was in Atlanta was 2018.
00:37:59
thedfsdeli
The one we split up our B teams. Oh, Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta.
00:38:03
Chilly
It was 2018. Yeah. 2018. So six, six.
00:38:07
thedfsdeli
Okay. So a hot six years ago. Yeah. Hot six years ago that they thought that they were better than us.
00:38:10
Chilly
Yeah.
00:38:13
thedfsdeli
And thus we had to like, you know, split, split, split up amongst ourselves. Like the game has changed so much. You put that old guard against us and I, it probably Oh, I feel like the, is it only applied to like our center because like the older guard in Seattle, the older guard in, uh, Michigan, they've adapted.
00:38:38
Chilly
They all still play.
00:38:40
thedfsdeli
Yeah.
00:38:40
Chilly
They all still play.
00:38:42
thedfsdeli
They all still play and they're still good. And they've all adapted to the game and how they play their game.
00:38:49
Chilly
Oh, yeah, dude.
00:38:49
thedfsdeli
Our old heart minus your other S they can kill.
00:38:50
Chilly
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's it would be interesting because it'd be like, what five do they take?
00:39:05
thedfsdeli
Our old guard, oh, Ricky, Billy, Dexy.
00:39:06
Chilly
Yeah.
00:39:10
Chilly
Ooh, God, Dexy, I'm leaving off Dexy for Gull and my uncle.
00:39:16
thedfsdeli
I mean, yeah, I don't think I don't even count your uncle.
00:39:16
Chilly
I don't even know if I count my uncle's old guard.
00:39:20
thedfsdeli
That's the thing. I don't even count.
00:39:22
Chilly
thank I don't think my uncle would play with him. Don't leave me honest.
00:39:26
thedfsdeli
Right.
00:39:29
Chilly
I think he'd play with us first.
00:39:31
thedfsdeli
If junior was still alive, if Coily was still alive,
00:39:34
Chilly
what Well, you probably go you could probably go dexy frying coily. I don't even know. I wouldn't put junior wasn't better than them.
00:39:43
thedfsdeli
Amen. When junior on a national championship team and what 92, I'm just, I'm just putting it out there.
00:39:47
Chilly
Bro, I was one. I don't know.
00:39:52
thedfsdeli
I was seven.
00:39:52
Chilly
a Bro, he probably he probably still looked the same from 92 to I have it's been like three years now.
00:39:54
thedfsdeli
So I mean, at some point he did win a national championship. It's on Ricky's thing.
00:40:03
thedfsdeli
Death, death.
00:40:05
Chilly
Three years, four years now?
00:40:05
thedfsdeli
He looked the exact same facts.
00:40:07
Chilly
Mm-hmm.
00:40:10
Chilly
I think I still have a picture of him and his dog, I think.
00:40:15
Chilly
From from his funeral.
00:40:18
thedfsdeli
Oh, wow.
00:40:18
Chilly
Shout out, shout out, Junior.
00:40:21
thedfsdeli
I know. Rest in peace, man.
00:40:22
Chilly
First piece.
00:40:22
thedfsdeli
We have. Yeah, rest in peace.
00:40:24
Chilly
Turn the juice on!
00:40:25
thedfsdeli
Turn on the juice.
00:40:27
Chilly
Junior, it didn't matter if you were practicing at 1 p.m. or 1 a.m. Junior was in. The only thing that ever stopped that man from practice was his power going out and he couldn't get the car out the garage.
00:40:38
thedfsdeli
Facts.
00:40:39
Chilly
Yep, he tried his damnedest too. Called Ricky for a ride, Celeste went and take him.
00:40:43
thedfsdeli
Gotta to get into practice. Gotta get to practice. got to get the practice. But yeah, so kind of like, um, either, like, how do you feel like the game has changed from, you know, even those years when we just started off in nationals to like halfway through our career to now, is it, is it the fact that certain styles are being implemented in a whirly ball or is the fact that people are just getting better at putting the ball in the bucket or is this a combination of both?
00:41:15
Chilly
I mean, I think it's a combination of both. I mean, it's a combination of both. I i think a little bit of it, too.
Gameplay Strategy and Car Types
00:41:24
Chilly
Obviously, the style of the game is changing because of the cars, right? With a lot more centers going to brain cars versus clutch cars.
00:41:32
thedfsdeli
Mm hmm.
00:41:35
Chilly
I mean, you know, when we first started playing out our centers, cars were awful.
00:41:39
thedfsdeli
Yeah, we were on those terrible clutch cars.
00:41:40
Chilly
but We probably, we probably had, we we probably had the worst cars out of all the other centers, I would think are clutch cars.
00:41:45
thedfsdeli
At one point, at one point, I would agree.
00:41:46
Chilly
Oh yeah, these.
00:41:47
thedfsdeli
Yeah.
00:41:48
Chilly
Yeah, man. They were terrible. Um, but I mean, I think the cars have a lot to do with it. Uh, I mean, I think you see a lot, you see certain centers struggle in brain cars because they haven't adapted to it yet, or they're,
00:42:04
Chilly
to struggling to adapt to it, but they still do well. um So I think that has some of some of the things to do with it.
00:42:07
thedfsdeli
Mm.
00:42:11
Chilly
And then again, like, you know, every every center has their the the way they play, you know, they they have a certain way on how they play. And, you know, so that's always kind of cool to watch and and see a kind of adapt from there. um You know, I don't think we really play I mean, I think we play really close to a certain center for sure, which would be Seattle's way.
00:42:40
thedfsdeli
And, and why do you think that is like, is it because, because of their success over the years or is it because you're more comfortable playing that way or Yes,
00:42:46
Chilly
Well, I mean, I mean, it'd be stupid to not copy what wins, right? I mean, because Seattle's banner total has to trump everybody's, I would think.
00:43:03
thedfsdeli
yes. But again, is it, is it devoted to the players or is it devoted to the style of play they, that they happen to.
00:43:08
Chilly
It's like it's like the system. It's it's I mean, like, obviously they have very great players.
00:43:10
thedfsdeli
Mm hmm.
00:43:13
Chilly
So it's like, let's not let's not get it twisted because not every Seattle team comes out there and they're fucking great.
00:43:14
thedfsdeli
Of course.
00:43:20
Chilly
You know, so like, yeah, you still need great players to do it. um I think a lot of that, you know, at least in the past, some of that credit could go to could go to credit that Tom could go to Jimmy. Um, and obviously they're older players, you know, kind of teaching everybody as well. So, I mean, you got, I mean, it works. It wins. You'd be really stupid. I mean, but you see that shit and in sports all the time. You know, people will try to mimic it at least. And, and again, you know,
00:43:55
Chilly
and And again, they adapted some things and they, and they, and they'll change up their style and other centers have what they do, which, you know, obviously Michigan's one banner, so their style can work, uh, um, you know, and stuff like that.
00:44:06
thedfsdeli
Mm hmm.
00:44:08
Chilly
You know, uh, Texas, obviously, uh, kind of with the changing of their guard some years ago, uh, obviously they've proven, uh, you know, their way works. They had a great run in a last year. So let's give them some credit. So, uh, you know, again, you know, styles, but also, you know, your styles depend on the players that you have and what you can and can't do.
00:44:22
thedfsdeli
Mm hmm.
00:44:31
thedfsdeli
So whirly ball is kind of like a ah basketball style of game, right? And we kind of talked about a little bit off air. When are we going to see a team that goes like all Golden State? Right. They live at half court. They live at five welds and listen, I'm shooting a bunch of threes. And if they don't go in, I'm playing defense at half court. Or like you said earlier, you got, you got Shaq in the middle. If he can't, and if he can't dunk on somebody, if he's not like, you know, Mike wall esque going one-on-one the entire game and just kicking it out the three, like, when are we going to see a team that says, you know what? I want to play completely different than everybody else and see them adapt to it. Like when, when do we see another style develop?
New Whirly Ball Strategies
00:45:22
Chilly
When they have the balls to make the change to it i mean let's be real right um First of all, I would love to see that. That'd be like, essentially, that's like, that's old school Orlando magic. Kick it the dwight to Dwight don't got it. Throw it to open three point shooter here.
00:45:41
thedfsdeli
Yeah.
00:45:42
Chilly
I mean, because of that, if that guy is destroying your goalie oneon one on one, you got to go help. So somebody's open for three, right?
00:45:48
thedfsdeli
Correct. Somebody's got to be open, right?
00:45:51
Chilly
okay
00:45:52
thedfsdeli
Somebody just chilling at both wings and instead of the court, this is free. Three, three, three. I just want to, I just want to see it. Just some, some team have the balls to do that.
00:46:01
Chilly
I mean, like, I mean, first i I mean, it'd be hilarious to see if it even has a chance of working.
00:46:04
thedfsdeli
Like I'm going to work this entire off season to develop a new style of play. I want to see it.
00:46:17
thedfsdeli
Cuz like, I mean, so when was, ah what year did Michigan last went unlimited?
00:46:23
Chilly
Uh, they didn't win at our center.
00:46:26
thedfsdeli
Two years ago?
00:46:27
Chilly
They won in Texas 2021.
00:46:30
thedfsdeli
Texas, okay, was that the year that, 2022, was that the year that Jeremy could not miss?
00:46:32
Chilly
2022. I lied. 2022. Yeah.
00:46:37
Chilly
No, that was Atlanta 2018. He couldn't miss.
00:46:41
thedfsdeli
okay Okay, well, it was one year that whatever which whichever, unlimited tournament. Jeremy himself literally took over and could not miss from anywhere on the court. That's the type of style I want to see. I want to see one team do that.
00:46:57
Chilly
Yeah, that was 2018 Atlanta. Duke couldn't miss
00:47:02
thedfsdeli
I mean, yeah.
00:47:02
Chilly
Cause I remember Flores was drunk until quit playing like a bitch, bro.
00:47:06
thedfsdeli
Oh yeah.
00:47:07
Chilly
And then Flores fell asleep and all the Texas guys were like, don't wake them up.
00:47:12
thedfsdeli
Yeah.
00:47:12
Chilly
Don't wake them up. but
00:47:16
thedfsdeli
I was right next to him when he said that. Quit playing like a bitch, bro. And it just gets to the court. Strap, strap, strap, strap, strap, strap, strap.
00:47:27
Chilly
Yeah.
00:47:27
thedfsdeli
I mean, like you put like four Jeremy's on a team and like Ross or somebody, whoever, whoever's going to play center.
00:47:27
Chilly
Cause then.
00:47:37
thedfsdeli
I just want to see it. Dump it inside. Can't shoot her. Like I think Seattle could pull it off. Like their B team with Kiefer on it. Just, Hey, I got it.
00:47:46
Chilly
I mean, the Seattle A, all the Seattle A teams could play it off.
00:47:47
thedfsdeli
Dunk.
00:47:50
Chilly
You just kick it the Joe Barrett or James down there.
00:47:54
thedfsdeli
What to play center or to shoot the threes or both?
00:47:56
Chilly
Both.
00:48:02
thedfsdeli
Listen, like I said, I think that, you know, so Seattle has their certain style. They, they're, they're very good at one of their three, two very good at setting up wedges and all the other guys rotating. And I know Cleveland plays a similar style. That's why you guys went undefeated in B last year. I think there's another style kind of developing and I know they don't want to hear this, but I'm going to say it anyway. I think there's a, I think there's a Chicago style developing. And I'll tell you what that style is until you're already know what it is. Two wells and up.
00:48:34
thedfsdeli
Those dudes do not shoot from three welds back. And if they do, they miss.
00:48:39
Chilly
Haha.
00:48:39
thedfsdeli
like They are jam inside the key as many people as possible. And all they look for is two weld shots and bunnies. That's their Chicago style. Watch them play one game. And they execute it well because they're very sound on defense. They're very good at transition. They get back very, very fast. But that was their detriment to them lose. I think they lost to Seattle last year, right? To go into face y'all.
00:49:08
Chilly
Uh, no, no, they lost their first game to Michigan. They lost to Timmy, Timmy Little Malt.
00:49:14
thedfsdeli
ah Ah, gotcha.
00:49:16
Chilly
They couldn't, they couldn't stop Timmy. And I don't know who or what knocked them out of the playoffs from there.
00:49:23
thedfsdeli
I feel like I recently just watched that Nationals. I feel like I get drunk some nights and just watch old Nationals film and go, huh, huh.
00:49:33
Chilly
But let me, so let me like, uh, what playing against the Chicago B team, uh, cause I got to play against them. Uh, I don't think, I think they play a lot better than what they did last year, whether that be them just growing as players, watching film, uh, new additions, whatever the case may be. Uh, but kind of from watching them play and then play us, they tried to play a lot like we did.
00:49:54
thedfsdeli
Yeah.
00:50:04
Chilly
Uh, so it'll kind of be interesting there. Uh, I think with the addition of, um, uh, obviously they did get, uh, mr. Uh, I mean, they brought back Maddie ice to their team. I think they do it by a vote. So, uh, you know, uh, Maddie ice and Sean paradise here. Um, So obviously, it's a different look out there. So I think the B team they have this year is better than what they threw threw throughout last year.
00:50:34
Chilly
So I mean, and then with it being at home, too, I think they're going to play differently. And they'll play better, right? I mean, with it being at home.
00:50:43
thedfsdeli
You always have the factor in the home court advantage, of course, I 100% agree.
00:50:46
Chilly
It's a huge fact. It's a huge factor. So it'll be.
00:50:49
thedfsdeli
Yeah, but like I said, I think they're developing their own style. You know, and there's nothing wrong with that style. I think any style that comes out that is unique to you that you can play well is, and that can actually lead you to victories is, you know, by all means implement that. But again, what, I think like, what's the plan B, right?
00:51:05
Chilly
I think, I mean, I think the plan B for, I think a lot of teams now is, uh, if it, if you need points, you're double floating.
00:51:09
thedfsdeli
And it's not just them, is it's any team. Like what's the plan B? Is is there a plan B?
00:51:25
Chilly
Um, obviously Seattle runs the three two, but I mean, like.
00:51:29
thedfsdeli
Mm.
00:51:31
Chilly
I mean, but again like obviously teams have had different styles and you know, you just do what you can and adjust from there um You know like I mean we've mentioned it several times like as much as we've mentioned Michigan kind of struggling in the brain cars They still finished second last year ah Jeremy for the most part found his shot on tournament day.
Seattle Team Success
00:51:53
Chilly
I think which which helped them um So
00:51:56
thedfsdeli
He normally does. He normally does.
00:51:59
Chilly
um so again, but so you know, it's I Think I think for Michigan as a whole they just have to adjust to the brain cars and obviously since they have brain cars now That'll get sped up pretty quick. So I think they'll be okay um and I mean obviously they're super good, but and and they're smart players, so It'll be it'll be interesting.
00:52:17
thedfsdeli
Right. Right.
00:52:21
Chilly
But I mean obviously one style has one more than others and
00:52:26
thedfsdeli
Mm hmm. So why do you feel like other teams don't want do is it is it stubbornness to adapt to that?
00:52:33
Chilly
I think it's pride. It's its pride.
00:52:35
thedfsdeli
snap Right? Okay.
00:52:37
Chilly
It's it's pride. The teams don't want to play that way because it's not their way.
00:52:41
thedfsdeli
Mm hmm.
00:52:43
Chilly
it's like It's pride. It's like, oh, we're going to win, but we're going to win our way. But we're not going to win their way.
00:52:49
thedfsdeli
hit
00:52:51
Chilly
We play their way because we were taught by Tom. It just didn't click for most of us until later down the road.
00:52:58
thedfsdeli
Yeah, because it takes time. I mean, it takes time.
00:53:00
Chilly
Correct.
00:53:01
thedfsdeli
It takes a certain comfort level.
00:53:01
Chilly
But like again, we went through a couple of different workshops with Tom. So yeah, we're probably going to play that way.
00:53:07
thedfsdeli
Right.
00:53:10
Chilly
Not to mention our older players went through those same workshops. I remember when Tom was here when I was a kid.
00:53:16
thedfsdeli
Yeah. Yeah. Man, a lot a lot has changed a lot has changed. Again, we we've already introduced the new style chill. sit back and take a bunch of threes or dump it in, dump it into your center. I mean, come on.
00:53:31
Chilly
Yeah, so if if there again, I'll just throw this out there.
00:53:32
thedfsdeli
why
00:53:34
Chilly
If there is a team going to play like that, I'll buy you drinks for the whole tournament. I don't care.
00:53:40
thedfsdeli
Just, just watch the team hook up a bunch of threes.
00:53:41
Chilly
I just want to see it.
00:53:44
Chilly
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like how the Celtics play now, right? Like it's we're getting layups or we're shooting 30, 60 something threes.
00:53:53
thedfsdeli
Again, it's like how Golden State's dynasty started, you know? It was a lot of rotation, solid defense, and a bunch of three-pointers. So I was just saying, things translate from the game of basketball to the game of whirly ball quite well. But can you put the ball in the bucket often enough? So like, a good shoot, a great shooting percentage from three is 40%. Like, you're a great three-point shooter if you're shooting 40%.
00:54:23
Chilly
I mean, like, if we compare it to the NBA, just today, obviously, Boston got beat down. But they shot 41 threes. Dallas shot 37.
00:54:36
thedfsdeli
And an average really ball game, we get how many threes, four, five, maybe even.
00:54:41
Chilly
I think it depends on team.
00:54:45
thedfsdeli
So let's, let's bump the number up to 10.
00:54:45
Chilly
Depends on 10.
00:54:47
thedfsdeli
Do you think that's a lot?
00:54:50
Chilly
No, I don't think it's a lot.
00:54:51
thedfsdeli
Right. So I want to see a team go out and try at least 23 pointers at least in a game and just see what happens.
00:54:55
Chilly
if yeah
00:55:01
thedfsdeli
Let's see.
00:55:02
Chilly
It'd be great just to get the rebound and pull up for three.
00:55:06
thedfsdeli
Right? That's what I'm saying.
00:55:07
Chilly
why
00:55:07
thedfsdeli
Just roll up. Bang. I just want to see it. I just want to see it. That would be a amazing. I'm like, dude, shout out to shout out to y'all just what i you you could be.
00:55:20
Chilly
Yeah.
00:55:21
thedfsdeli
You could just come up to me while I'm doing commentary and go, Hey, we're shooting nothing but threes this game. And like, it if some random team in a seeding game says that to me, drinks are on me. You got around on me.
00:55:32
Chilly
Yeah.
00:55:32
thedfsdeli
Ain't no doubt about that. I want to see it.
00:55:34
Chilly
Yeah.
00:55:35
thedfsdeli
I want to see it.
00:55:37
Chilly
What if our A team did it?
00:55:39
thedfsdeli
Drink's on me, baby.
00:55:42
thedfsdeli
Drink's on me. Oh, you and Anthony and Patina and patia freaking Jarrett. Brad kind of sucks at three, so not him.
00:55:50
Chilly
Aww. Aww.
00:55:53
thedfsdeli
ah that Hey, that's my homie. I ain't seen a man make a three and never. So have you?
00:56:02
Chilly
he He's been shooting well.
00:56:02
thedfsdeli
Think about it. He's been shooting well, chill. I agree. How many three pointers has he hit?
00:56:09
Chilly
yes He's been shooting well.
00:56:09
thedfsdeli
since you've known him. How many threes has he's hit since you've known him, chill?
00:56:17
Chilly
Couple. Couple.
00:56:18
thedfsdeli
ah god In how many years? A couple?
00:56:22
Chilly
He hasn't needed to shoot him.
00:56:24
thedfsdeli
Oh, because he can't.
00:56:27
Chilly
I'll blame it on me and Anthony. Me and Anthony hog the ball.
00:56:31
thedfsdeli
bull crap. You, Jared, your brother, and Botania this year, get their fair share of shots. Okay. Y'all can hit threes a certain someone else can't. I'm just saying that's my homie. That's my road dog. That's my boy in a three point shooting contest.
00:56:54
Chilly
He's going to hear this before practice on Sunday and this match is going to be trying to go Steph Curry from the 3.1.
00:57:00
thedfsdeli
and miss every single one of them.
00:57:02
Chilly
yes
00:57:05
Chilly
Leave him alone. That's my teammate.
00:57:08
thedfsdeli
I know, and that's my friend.
00:57:09
Chilly
I need him. I need him next week. Next weekend.
00:57:13
thedfsdeli
Yeah, next weekend, yeah.
00:57:14
Chilly
so
00:57:14
thedfsdeli
Again, as a close friend, I have the right to dog my friends, okay? Okay, nobody else say that about him, but I can, all right? His brother can, you can. Anybody from another center wants to fucking say shit about my boy. No, that's relegated to me.
00:57:37
thedfsdeli
So we covered, uh, we covered some unlimited ideas, covered diversity and whirly ball. We, we, we got to, uh, shout out Gus and what he's trying to do for production with the, uh, the new setup and everything.
00:57:54
Chilly
Yeah, I mean, I believe he has a link on the Whirlyball page.
00:57:57
thedfsdeli
I do believe he does as well.
00:57:57
Chilly
um
00:57:58
thedfsdeli
So if you haven't checked that out, if I can copy it on this description of this podcast, I certainly will.
00:58:01
Chilly
Yeah.
00:58:05
thedfsdeli
But ah make sure to do that to support him and the Whirly Ball community for sure.
00:58:08
Chilly
Yeah, i support our NFL films, which is Gus.
00:58:08
thedfsdeli
um if
00:58:12
thedfsdeli
Facts, facts. If you haven't subscribed to the Whirly Ball or Whirly Freak YouTube channel, make sure you do that along with subscribing to the What in the World podcast brought to you by Matt and Steve and know all those guys do a bang up job over there.
00:58:25
Chilly
Mark Mills.
00:58:27
thedfsdeli
Yeah. Oh, Mr. Mark meals, Mark, Millie, Millie, Millie.
00:58:29
Chilly
he was a I mean, he yeah he didn't mention he didn't get an invite to the first one. Is that is that cap? Is that no cap?
00:58:39
thedfsdeli
I bro, first of all, a I knew that he ran it. But I don't talk to Mark like that.
00:58:50
Chilly
So are you blaming, are you blaming, are you blaming, blaming Steven Noah for his lack of an invite?
00:58:50
thedfsdeli
I talked to no like that.
00:58:56
thedfsdeli
No, I'm blaming myself for going to Noah and Steve first and not going to Mark Mills. But again, Noah and I are close. Steve and I are close. Like, I don't really know Mark. Like, we know of each other, obviously. But I haven't had a conversation with him.
Podcast Invitation Humor
00:59:15
thedfsdeli
I mean, I have, but I haven't.
00:59:17
Chilly
Are you saying he just knows you as, ah, that black guy from Cleveland?
00:59:21
thedfsdeli
Yes, caveat on the from Cleveland part.
00:59:26
thedfsdeli
Because again, there's other black guys, just not a lot of us.
00:59:31
Chilly
I thought he would mark in a invitational tournament. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. I felt bad for him because he watched Roy build a city a couple times.
00:59:44
thedfsdeli
He was awesome at bricks.
00:59:46
Chilly
Oh, yeah. Brick by brick. Love you, Roy, but damn.
00:59:51
thedfsdeli
yeah yeah You weren't particularly on that tournament.
00:59:55
Chilly
No, no. it was ah It was a fun team, though. i i That team was a great time, so.
01:00:02
thedfsdeli
Excellent, excellent. Well, we've definitely looked to look forward to some more invites in the future. um Again, anytime that this community can get together and just play some whirly balls, see each other outside of the times that, you know, aren't nationals is a great time. um So you got any closing thoughts before we wrap it up for the night?
01:00:20
Chilly
ah Now, again, support Gus. if you If you haven't already, if you don't follow his YouTube channel, go do that. Support the man if you can. you don' got i mean I mean, any little thing counts. So you know shout out to Gus. Again, at this point, Whirly Ball Films. i Give the West Coast edition of What in the World, give them a a follow, listen to their stuff.
01:00:41
thedfsdeli
yeah
01:00:49
Chilly
Um, you know, again, Steve, Mark, Noah, uh, huge shout out to them for, uh, letting us kind of piggyback off of them. So again, thank you to them.
01:00:59
thedfsdeli
Here.
01:01:00
Chilly
Uh, I mean, nationals is, uh, it's coming up here.
01:01:03
thedfsdeli
It's closed.
01:01:04
Chilly
Uh, I don't know for, I don't know if we're going to do another episode before nationals, if we're, if we're feeling frisky or bored.
01:01:05
thedfsdeli
It's closed.
01:01:13
Chilly
Um, so.
01:01:14
thedfsdeli
Yeah, again, if anybody listening has any ideas for topics that they wanted to discuss by all means, um leave a comment on either the Whirly Ball page or the Spotify or Apple. Make sure you give the podcast a five-star review while you're at it. The more ears we get on the podcast, the more traction it gains, and then we can start building this community from you know what we have as set as a foundation, as a family, as a community, and then build upon that and get more black people playing the game of Whirly Ball.
Cultural Diversity in Whirly Ball
01:01:44
thedfsdeli
um
01:01:46
Chilly
Snuck that in there, huh?
01:01:47
thedfsdeli
but
01:01:48
Chilly
How about the Latinos?
01:01:51
thedfsdeli
I mean, there's room there's plenty of room for cultural diversity, chill. Plenty of room.
01:02:00
Chilly
about How about the Asians? Cleveland's got, we got an Asian guy now.
01:02:02
thedfsdeli
How about them?
01:02:05
thedfsdeli
Right? I know. I agree.
01:02:08
thedfsdeli
I'm with you.
01:02:08
Chilly
We got Cleveland, we welcome everybody, apparently.
01:02:10
Chilly
We got women, Asian guy.
01:02:12
thedfsdeli
Yep. Yep.
01:02:13
Chilly
We got the black guy.
01:02:14
thedfsdeli
Yep.
01:02:15
Chilly
you were we're We're hitting our bases here.
01:02:18
thedfsdeli
Absolutely, I love it, I love it. I mean, we got we got brothers, we got husband and wife, we got owners, we got former owners, we got the owner's kid, we got and we had everybody, I mean.
01:02:32
Chilly
we got fight oh ah Ricky and Sean keep the father and son duo alive.
01:02:38
thedfsdeli
Right? You know, year by year, my daughters get older. So I mean, I'll bring, I'll bring mixed females into the game. I'm a Cleveland's got to be the most diverse, culturally diverse center, right? We have to be right.
01:02:49
Chilly
I mean, we're trying. We're fighting for one. Seattle, Seattle, probably.
01:02:52
thedfsdeli
We're frightened.
01:02:55
Chilly
Seattle does pretty well, I would think as well. I mean, Texas, obviously. I mean, I mean, you know, Texas had a couple of black people. They either retired or got booted out.
01:03:09
thedfsdeli
Rest in peace, Lenard. I miss you, dog.
01:03:13
Chilly
Remember McDade?
01:03:15
thedfsdeli
Oh, brother.
01:03:21
thedfsdeli
Oh, my God.
01:03:23
Chilly
Oh, my throwback.
01:03:24
thedfsdeli
Yeah. Yeah, I remember. mit I
01:03:30
Chilly
Oh, my God, I remember playing against him and she thought he was hilarious.
01:03:37
thedfsdeli
He got booted off the island real quick.
01:03:41
thedfsdeli
Oh, it's freaking hilarious. But chill, man. Thanks for joining me. I definitely appreciate it. um Like I said, like, subscribe, do all the things that help us grow.
01:03:49
Chilly
Are you a, I mean, before we go, since your internet so rudely booted you off the, uh, booted you off the Island, you want to, you want to throw out some national picks that you didn't get to.
01:03:52
thedfsdeli
What's up?
01:04:03
thedfsdeli
Listen, i don't i don't want to I don't want to test my luck right now because I remember it was ah like it was like at least 12 o'clock when that shit happened. And it's like 12.05 right now. So, all right, all right. I'll get it in real quick. I did pick Steve's team to win B in A. I said I'm taking a wild card. I'm going to piss some people off. But I'm taking one of the Texas teams to win A. I'm doing it.
01:04:27
Chilly
i Nice, nice.
01:04:28
thedfsdeli
I'm doing it. So I, there will be, I, I don't, I don't even remember if I picked a Chicago team from D I think the numbers said, Oh no, I picked Cleveland and D nevermind.
01:04:38
Chilly
Yeah, come on, we got Larry.
01:04:41
thedfsdeli
Bro. We got Larry.
01:04:43
Chilly
We got Larry.
01:04:44
thedfsdeli
We got Larry. We're good.
01:04:46
Chilly
We're good.
01:04:47
thedfsdeli
I'm stopping that.
01:04:48
Chilly
Yeah.
01:04:49
thedfsdeli
I'm stopping that.
01:04:50
Chilly
who's Who's stopping the horse jockey? That's five foot nothing.
01:04:53
thedfsdeli
yeah a literal literal horse jockey. That's just not.
01:04:57
Chilly
literal jockey at it.
01:04:58
thedfsdeli
Yeah, literal jockey.
01:05:00
Chilly
If you're ever, if Nationals ever comes back to Cleveland, Larry can get you out on the track.
01:05:01
thedfsdeli
Oh, yeah, that's true.
01:05:04
Chilly
You can jog with the horses and stuff like that.
01:05:08
thedfsdeli
That's true. um And then unlimited still got a I got to stick to what I know, man, Seattle's probably gonna i'm picking Seattle to do it again. They go back to back to back.
01:05:21
Chilly
Who they beat, who they beat in the finals.
01:05:22
thedfsdeli
Texas.
01:05:25
Chilly
Oh, damn.
01:05:27
thedfsdeli
Yup.
01:05:28
Chilly
Man, Michigan has gotten no love. These guys are about to come out and fucking just.
01:05:32
thedfsdeli
Yo, I love, I love everybody from tech or from a Michigan, not named Timmy. Okay. I love all the motherfuckers except him, but I'm just bullshitting with you, man. I love you too. But this, this Texas, obviously, obviously, um,
01:05:46
Chilly
Are you, though? I think Jared loves Timmy the most. Unrelated enough.
01:05:56
thedfsdeli
ah Yeah, Texas, man, I mean, they got something to prove. They they got something to back up. And I think that there's any anybody, any set of five individuals that can prove that they belong, I think the team that they put together is going to step out there and prove it. I think they're gonna have, this Michigan team is gonna have a rough time with this Texas team. I mean, shout out to the the old guard of Michigan. I think they are solid. I think they have always been great to look up to. This Texas team got something to prove. And I think their attitude and their demeanor is going to just shake the foundation of what unlimited was built on. I think they ultimately, ultimately will lose to Seattle, but I got to give it to him, man. I think this is going to be a,
01:06:46
thedfsdeli
amazing set of games that I will 100% be commentary because I have to. I just got to have I got to have my input on what's going on on the court. But yeah, I want to I want to see the foundation shaken up a little bit. And I think it's gonna happen in Chicago this year. So
01:07:05
Chilly
I mean, we'll see. I mean, look at Michigan. Come out. Just make us all look stupid.
01:07:11
thedfsdeli
And they can, they can, that's the thing.
01:07:12
Chilly
They can. but They certainly can. They certainly can.
01:07:14
thedfsdeli
They have the talent to do so. I mean, I just got done bragging about freaking Jeremy's inability to miss the freaking net one year. Okay. And that happens multiple years.
01:07:24
Chilly
I mean, they still, they still have that, you know, that old Sam Kim guy, you know, keeping that helping, keeping the diversity alive.
01:07:26
thedfsdeli
So yeah.
01:07:33
Chilly
You know,
01:07:36
thedfsdeli
a Thanks.
01:07:37
Chilly
I suppose that Sam guy is pretty good at Clint Fisher guy. He's a Clint. He's I, you know, he's I senior tour.
01:07:46
thedfsdeli
Just the height though. I'm sorry.
01:07:49
Chilly
He's the senior tour might be calling his name.
01:07:51
thedfsdeli
Yeah man, just stick to just stick to making schedules.
01:07:56
Chilly
Yeah, if you could stick to just doing all the great stuff you do behind the scenes.
01:08:02
thedfsdeli
And not be on the court, I'd be happy. yeah Facts.
Conclusion and Community Support
01:08:09
thedfsdeli
facts. All right, man, that'll wrap it up for tonight. Like I said, don't forget to do all the things to help the community grow. And if we don't see you on another episode of the what in the world podcast, East edition, we will see you all in Chicago here in a week. So until then, we wish you a farewell and peace out.