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Sully Shaheed: What in the World East Edition is back with a surprise episode fresh off a separate recording that we did a few days ago. Kind of a not a rebuttal to the OGs out in Seattle, but we wanted to talk some Whirly Ball. We got special guests today. We got all the Nationals talk you could ever want coming up right here on What in the World East Edition. So sit back, relax, cop a squat and your favorite beverage, and let's get it. More Wally Ball Talk coming right now.
Sully Shaheed: That was the remix. Welcome in to What in the World East edition. I am the host, Sully Ali Shahid, and joined as always by my fellow cohorts, A Division's own Chili Ola.
Sully Shaheed: And tonight, to do a special breakdown episode of the C Division, Texas's own John Buckets Hanson. John, what's going on baby?
Ioannis Hansen: Hello, hello. Thank you for having me to to to bring my in-depth, near-perpetual residency knowledge of the C Division, the People's Division.
Ioannis Hansen: And I'm delighted to be here with you guys. I wish we were here under happier circumstances. I feel like, Sully, you and I were viciously slandered earlier this week. And we don't need to start...
Sully Shaheed: Viciously.
Ioannis Hansen: We don't need to start with that ugliness. Let's just visit for a little bit if that's okay before we rip the wound open. And then just we have we have a lot of fun stuff planned. And I know you have other guests who will take you division by division.
Ioannis Hansen: You don't need to spoil any of that now.
Sully Shaheed: Yes.
Ioannis Hansen: Save it at the end. Tease it for the good people for what comes next. Also, i don't want you putting out better guests than me because then people are just going like, oh' just wait for the next one.
Sully Shaheed: Mm-hmm.
Ioannis Hansen: But... so I'm excited. I'm delighted. I'm happy to be here. Let's talk C Division. Let's talk ah scandals. Let's talk whatever, man. Thank you very much for having me as your guest.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, man, you know, I don't have the, ah like I said in the last podcast, I don't have the controversy button. I don't have round of applauses. I got LA night and ah and a smooth intro and that's about it. so
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah, that was going to say, it's no country traveler, but that's a hell of a theme song. We probably, Chile, we should have coordinated which way we're going to bob our heads. I think it's, you know, white guys at the club just like, eh.
Ioannis Hansen: But...
Chilly: horn not We're not that organized on this show.
Ioannis Hansen: it
Ioannis Hansen: a
Sully Shaheed: Yes, organization is not a key factor in What in the World East Edition, which, of course, I've been called out multiple times because in Ohio, we're actually Midwest.
Ioannis Hansen: ah
Sully Shaheed: But because we're the furthest podcast of the eastern states that's going right now, um ah we're still going to be called the East Edition, the real edition of What in the World.
Sully Shaheed: So.
Ioannis Hansen: I think if that's the biggest grievance people have with your podcast, you're ahead of the West Coast right now.
Sully Shaheed: I would think so. Hey, chill, man. What's going on, baby? You ready to sit along for the ride on this C-Division breakdown?
Chilly: um I'm ready to, you know, just kind of interject my opinion into a division i don't play in. It means I can talk all the shit about a bunch of people that I don't have to play against. um I mean, I actually got a two division buffer, so I could talk shit about these people for a long time before I see them.
Chilly: Oh, and I mean, they ah they if they play for Seattle, that's even a longer time because they allowed these people to play.
Ioannis Hansen: ah
Chilly: any thson
Ioannis Hansen: The velvet rope is not going to open for these C division players in Seattle to the A division for a while.
Sully Shaheed: True that.
Chilly: No, man.
Sully Shaheed: True that.
Chilly: Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. die I ain't going to see them for a while.
Sully Shaheed: Well, I mean, the opportunity still remains, however, because if We didn't highlight it on the last episode, but I do believe we did. Whirly ball is a growing, budding sport now.
Chilly: Thank you.
Sully Shaheed: 40 teams will represent their respective cities at Nationals in Novi, Michigan. A record-breaking feat.
Ioannis Hansen: Thank you.
Sully Shaheed: We are going to hopefully, um potentially start on Tuesday ah this year. So, I mean, get some of those senior games out of the way. So, a lot of whirly ball to be played. um Just like I mentioned, we're going to do ah the C division breakdown tonight.
Sully Shaheed: And then, you know, no spoilers. I'll keep the guests towards the end for the B and A division breakdown. Chili obviously will have some more insight on A, the division that he's going to play in this year. And yeah, man, we're going to we're going to get rolling. Before we do, ah some news and notes, of course.
Sully Shaheed: The ah payment method has been announced for paying your entry fee for Whirly Ball.
Chilly: Thank you.
Sully Shaheed: And none of us agree with it. So, Clint, get on your shit. um Because none of us are going to be sharing our credit card information over the phone with Doug. Just like we mentioned off air, we don't want him creating more OnlyFans accounts and whatever anime hentai bullshit that he's into. So if you could man up and provide us with a payment link where we can securely so pass along our credit card information, we'll do that. If not, then 99% of us will be showing up at the center with fistfuls of cash. So just just putting out there, just an idea. You don't have to do it, but we don't have to pay because again, I'm not comfortable sharing my internet or or my, ah sorry, my credit card information over the phone.
Sully Shaheed: So There's secure ways to do this. Ask Seattle. They've done it. Other centers have done it. I'm not calling the center. That's what it boils down to. No.
Ioannis Hansen: I would trust whatever third world Russian hacker, North Korean botnet system we could find on the cheap more than I would just giving it to some random desk attendant at the Michigan facility.
Ioannis Hansen: I didn't even know this was a thing until you told me tonight. I thought you were giving me, I thought you were joking, but I mean, look, I'm going to pay to be there.
Sully Shaheed: No.
Ioannis Hansen: I will. um I would sooner wrap cash in tinfoil and send it in the mail than give my credit card number over the phone. But, We'll do what we have to do. The money will come.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, exactly.
Ioannis Hansen: So.
Sully Shaheed: I'd rather i rather stuff it in an envelope and send it via carrier pigeon than the phone.
Ioannis Hansen: No.
Chilly: I would rather help out the Nigerian prince who's rich but needs my help. Okay.
Ioannis Hansen: Could pay off. Could pay off. You never know.
Chilly: It could pay off.
Ioannis Hansen: Somebody's going to get rich when they finally find the right Nigerian prince. And it could be you.
Chilly: Could pay off.
Ioannis Hansen: Better than Bitcoin.
Chilly: We'll call Michigan. If we call Michigan and they want their payment and target gift cards, probably to hang up the phone.
Sully Shaheed: That is actually a more secure way send a payment for Woolly Ball.
Ioannis Hansen: So real quick digression. i had a lady that I called because she got scammed because I do part time 9-1-1 work now that my kids are in school. She got taken Bitcoin and gold bars. $258,000.
Sully Shaheed: Holy shit.
Ioannis Hansen: She had a pallet of gold bars in front of her house for the IRS to come and pick up and did not realize she was getting scammed this poor woman. A quarter of a million dollars in Bitcoin and gold bars.
Sully Shaheed: That is
Ioannis Hansen: Can you imagine? It's some Scrooge McDuck shit. and She just left it on her front porch.
Sully Shaheed: wild.
Chilly: could you imagine Could you imagine walking by your house and just be like, is that fucking gold?
Sully Shaheed: that is wow
Ioannis Hansen: Pile of gold bars?
Chilly: fit Is there a fucking rainbow and a leprechaun? What the fuck is going on?
Sully Shaheed: That's pretty epic, actually. I'm not going to lie. Like, to even possess the amount of co of of gold bars to just like, I'm going to leave this on my front porch. But yeah, okay.
Sully Shaheed: Okay.
Ioannis Hansen: you
Sully Shaheed: Well, here we are. um
Ioannis Hansen: Sorry to derail your shit. Let's move back on topic.
Sully Shaheed: and
Ioannis Hansen: I'm sorry.
Sully Shaheed: I think that's freaking awesome. um Again, a lot of things brewing with Whirly Ball. Like I said, the game has grown so much, and we have centers coming up with fancier team names every year, different style shirts every year. i mean, we do jersey exchanges now. You can order the different shirts from different centers. I mean, all we're waiting on this is this ESPN deal, and then we're off to the races, so...
Ioannis Hansen: Since you mentioned the jerseys, because first of all, I take issue with the fact that the last time you guys did a show, you inquired as to whether I was too nice to be here. And I would like to remind you that I know you fashion yourselves as the the truth spitters and the hard hitters.
Ioannis Hansen: Have any of you called Zack Johner a serial killer? Have any of you had... Kyle Phillips travel halfway across the strait so state so you can look him in the face and ah tell the world that you think he's a rapist.
Ioannis Hansen: Like, I don't think you remember how the world found out who I was.
Sully Shaheed: Yep.
Ioannis Hansen: It wasn't from finishing in third place in the C Division every year. it was because I was a hater. and can get I can get down and dirty with you fellas. Just wait. We're going to have a good time. But on that note, I wanted to ask, because you mentioned the jerseys.
Ioannis Hansen: Seattle started it. Chicago is infected with it now. What is with the trend where these like shiny over-designed, like why does everybody look like a background extra in idiocracy with their team jerseys now?
Ioannis Hansen: What happened to like a clean, basic t-shirt? I know I sound like an old man, but your shirts are ugly and I don't like you people. There you go.
Sully Shaheed: Well, back in my day, i mean, this was this was like the standard Whirly Ball Cleveland shirt right here.
Ioannis Hansen: Exactly. Where are your suspenders, you goddamn whippersnapps?
Sully Shaheed: just had the logo, Cleveland, and then like,
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: Bro, we didn't even have a team name.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: We were just Cleveland C.
Sully Shaheed: yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, for the longest time. I mean, he I brought that back last year. So, I mean, it was a – but that was a homage to to the old Cleveland teams.
Chilly: Correct.
Sully Shaheed: Cleveland C, Cleveland B, and that was it, man.
Chilly: Yeah. Yeah, that was it.
Sully Shaheed: So, but yeah, I mean, I agree. um There's been a – I don't want to say a major upgrade in the Jersey game, but my God, they are just getting more and more over the top.
Sully Shaheed: Like, we're going to get to the point where we put like – what are those things called – where you can just like put on the cars and then they're just going to be like individualized cars too.
Sully Shaheed: You know what I'm saying?
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, like wraps? You want to get the wraps on there?
Sully Shaheed: Raps, raps, raps. That's, that's, that's the word I'm looking for.
Ioannis Hansen: When you run out, like, it's like, you know, I got two little girls, and eventually the notebook runs out of space for stickers on top of stickers, and you've got to find somewhere else to put them. So I think with all the design elements on these shiny-ass, wicking, whatever, satiny shirts that people are picking out these years, at some point, all your design elements have to move to the car.
Ioannis Hansen: We'll have some sort of, like, drape or, like, a shawl you can put across the hood of the car so you can, yeah, obviously.
Sully Shaheed: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Chilly: Maybe the back of the seat.
Sully Shaheed: Chili,
Ioannis Hansen: Anyway.
Chilly: Maybe the back of the seat.
Sully Shaheed: yeah, I feel like that's where that's where it's going to start.
Chilly: Put a nice little...
Ioannis Hansen: Ooh.
Chilly: note Yeah. Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: Like a cape. Like a cape for your car.
Chilly: Like...
Ioannis Hansen: That's not a bad idea. I don't know.
Sully Shaheed: Chili, you're a wrestling fan. Remember RVD's like designer for his clothes?
Chilly: Yeah, the singlets. Yeah. Yep.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, that that's what it's going to come down to. who Who is going to be the first team to come out in singlets?
Ioannis Hansen: The Chicago guys already played in rompers in 2022. You remember that? Brett and his guys, Brett and Mike and those fellas. And those rompers were not sized right.
Ioannis Hansen: Like, those were Alex Peckian cuts on those legs because they bought them for, like, you know, the Chinese male's average size.
Chilly: but first
Ioannis Hansen: And um Mike Langerfeld in particular, he's taller than the average Chinese fellow. um And so, yeah, they're –
Sully Shaheed: Oh, yeah. they great
Ioannis Hansen: They rode up pretty hard. so But hey, whatever. You want to look good you instead of feel good. That's their business. I certainly remember the outfit.
Chilly: Hey, man, if if you got it, flaunt it. I don't got it.
Ioannis Hansen: And what does that say? If your cat romper is a better style for your team outlook, for your team look, than the AI vomit satin shirt. I don't understand. What are you people doing, you kids?
Chilly: I mean, they're getting to the point...
Ioannis Hansen: Where's your collars on your shirts, you animals? Anyway, go ahead.
Chilly: they' They're getting to the point where...
Sully Shaheed: The collared shirts. yeah just
Chilly: Right. I mean... they're getting a little more like louder than like softball jerseys. Like softball jerseys are more basic than what we got out there. And that's saying something.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: Just let the people have some fun. Okay. I know, uh, I know Jared from our center. He orders like $500 worth of other center shirts like every year. So,
Chilly: It's so much.
Sully Shaheed: It's a lot of Whirly Ball shirts, dude. It's a lot of shirts, man.
Chilly: Hey man, I love, I love,
Sully Shaheed: But my most prized possession is in my closet right now and will be framed when I move is the signed Raphael Sneaky Bastard jersey from the A, eventually repeating a division champion Raphael. Okay. So at least we're doing cool stuff like that. You know, couple of jerseys exchanges, maybe some autographs, some signatures. I think it's a cool part of the game.
Sully Shaheed: So I'm enjoying it.
Chilly: you gonna You're going to get that jersey graded? Want to get it graded?
Ioannis Hansen: You think it's bootleg? You think Raphael gave him a bootleg jersey of his own? Like, he didn't want to give him the real one?
Sully Shaheed: I saw him peel it off his back.
Ioannis Hansen: He's saving that for the Whirly Ball Hall of Fame?
Chilly: a
Sully Shaheed: All right. I know it is authentic. All right.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: So I saw it happen.
Sully Shaheed: It's going to be a great time.
Ioannis Hansen: Let's see.
Sully Shaheed: But yeah, like I said, looking forward to seeing everybody um again. We've got more shows coming up. We've predictions for the C divisions coming right up soon after a rebuttal and and comments and thoughts, of course.
Sully Shaheed: to the Seattle podcast, which obviously they do a fantastic job with everything. I think they're very entertaining and lovely to listen to.
Chilly: Thank you.
Sully Shaheed: I love their insight about everything. However, we ah there there's some there was some shade being thrown, which I accept. I love. i embrace it. I warrant it.
Sully Shaheed: And I think we should talk about a little bit. So, ah Buckets, what were your initial thoughts on the boys ah out west?
Ioannis Hansen: First of all, I want to say respect to Steve Vogt for having the courage to formulate his own opinion and speak not just his truth, but the truth.
Ioannis Hansen: My... thinking is this. Look, we... i don't blame the other guys for following along when Noah said what he said, alright?
Ioannis Hansen: Because they're in the thrall of a madman, possibly violent. Of course they're going to nod and go along with what he said. But the fact of the matter is this.
Sully Shaheed: Hmm.
Ioannis Hansen: And, you know, again, great podcast, but I believe roughly the one hour, four minute, 45 second mark, some comments were made that... I'm not talking about myself. I was offended for you, Sully, and I would hope that you felt the same on my behalf.
Ioannis Hansen: But Noah Aaron, we know what Noah Aaron is. He is what he has always been. He's a shock jock, okay? He's an outrage merchant. He's a rabble rouser. He's an agitator. He's he's an irritator, an instigator. He will say and do whatever it takes to get the people riled up.
Ioannis Hansen: because he feeds off the chaos and he doesn't give a damn about the pain he causes or the people who are hurt that he leaves in his wake. And the delusional ramblings of his troubled mind led him, i'm a hope I'm assuming for trolling purposes, I hope so, because I worry for the man's mental health, he picked a Michigan-Seattle final, which half of that is acceptable, but how on earth, Sully, do you look at that landscape and leave both of us out.
Ioannis Hansen: Again, I'm not worried about myself, because, you know, I have a reputation, and I know what it is. Obviously, he was going to take me out of the running right away. But you, sir, the voice of East Coast Whirly Ball, my running partner in perpetual ah imprisonment in the C Division, I thought that one of us might finally be on the cusp, but Noah...
Ioannis Hansen: Look, and the other thing I want to say is this. There's been discussion in the recent months, you know, the Steve and Noah debate. Who's the bigger catch? And I'll tell you right now, that shit is settled. It's Steve.
Ioannis Hansen: Because there's nothing attractive about delusional and disordered thinking or possibly early, early onset dementia.
Sully Shaheed: ah
Ioannis Hansen: And I'm not trying to be funny. The people in Seattle, if they love this man who has been a good friend to us for many years... Should get him the help that he might need.
Sully Shaheed: Yes.
Ioannis Hansen: That's all I'm saying. Michigan and Seattle. Stop your nonsense. You maniac. Anyway, Sully, your thoughts.
Sully Shaheed: Let's... um I mean, like I said, i i thoroughly enjoyed the episode and all their breakdowns and everything. um I just think that, and rightfully so, they should um boast about their own center, right? I mean, they play with these guys ah guys and girls all the time. They know what they're capable of. And as Chili and I mentioned off air, you know, their B teams are solid. Their A teams are full of legends and Hall of Famers.
Sully Shaheed: um But again, to... Our point on the last podcast, what these are inexperienced, for the most part, players in that division that have to deal with cars that they've either never driven or will have limited experience with.
Sully Shaheed: um So having an early onset advantage for guys that are used to cars like that, again, Texas, Cleveland, Michigan themselves, it puts us at an advantage naturally.
Ioannis Hansen: you
Sully Shaheed: against those said teams. So it's just like, yeah, numbers wise, they have a lot of teams, but as Chili mentioned on the last podcast, are you spreading your talent thin? Right? So instead of making like, okay, here's three solid teams,
Sully Shaheed: And then maybe some of you aren't ready for C or we take the best of these four and make another b team. Could you do that? Or it's it just seems like they might be spread thin. So I think that you guys and us in Cleveland, we're curated to the point where we have the team structure that works well together. um It's a mix of experience, Hall of Famers, award winners, things like that.
Sully Shaheed: And yeah, Yeah, just to, and and again, shout out to Steve, because he did say that my team should be in the running. However, everyone else, because he's a smart man, but everyone else kind of sucking the Seattle teat a little bit.
Ioannis Hansen: He said, you and me, because that's a smart fucking man.
Sully Shaheed: And I'm not, I'm not a fan. So, but again, we're going to get into the breakdown and see why we are justified in predicting ourselves for getting to the C-Final.
Ioannis Hansen: forget.
Ioannis Hansen: Chili, how did you take it as a man, as as ah as ah as an impartial third party witness to the slander perpetrated against our teams? How did you interpret what Noah had to say?
Chilly: I mean, it's it's a little crazy. um Again, man, like I said, when you have four teams, You could probably make one amazing C team out of 20 people, right?
Chilly: But, like, man, when you got four, that's just, again, I think you're spreading your talent too thin. With that being said, I get more mad because they don't pick a fucking team.
Chilly: I just pick Seattle.
Ioannis Hansen: Seattle.
Chilly: Well, which one? You have 800.
Ioannis Hansen: That's a third of the division, you coward. Pick a name.
Chilly: Yeah, pickups for pick a fucking team. All right. who
Sully Shaheed: That is a good point.
Chilly: You're again.
Sully Shaheed: mean I didn't think about that aspect of it. They just said center as in, except Steve, like I said, he mentioned our Cleveland team specifically and Hanson's team.
Chilly: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: So that makes sense with the rest of the cowards, Seattle, like,
Chilly: I want to. I want to say one of them picked Dustin Bonk's team. ah I don't know who.
Ioannis Hansen: That's not a bad pick. Dark
Chilly: I don't know who. That wouldn't be the Seattle team I pick. And we can get into that later. But. um yeah just pick a team man who cares you okay you upset some of these c players you're gonna replace them all within the next two years anyway all right it doesn't fucking matter up there you're a factory it's a revolving door of people so fuck it man pick a team that's what we're here for
Ioannis Hansen: So, yeah, ordinary.
Sully Shaheed: Spano business.
Ioannis Hansen: So one of the things I like about the fact that you guys have your show and we've got our, you know, whatever, jackassery brigade every Sunday here in Texas. You guys have your thing and there's an energy to it.
Ioannis Hansen: You know, it's like a barbershop type thing or, you know, like the a sports bar where everybody's just a little too invested in the team they're there to root for. And Seattle's got their thing, too, and it's great. Like, it's more like watching a game at an Elks Lodge.
Ioannis Hansen: You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're in the door and you're a part of it, you're already in the club and everybody's kind of welcome.
Sully Shaheed: yeah
Ioannis Hansen: But then two to to to turn it into this cavalcade of nonsense that we had to listen to in their C-Division predictions was just what an inversion of a proud reputation that Steve and Mark cultivated for years until they opened the door to Noah and then whatever's become of him, mentally, psychologically, whatever's going on, I'd like to take this opportunity to mention that Noah's going to be our very special guest on Sunday for our show.
Sully Shaheed: Bye.
Ioannis Hansen: And this should release before that. I'm very much looking forward to that.
Chilly: Is he going to remember is he gonna remember that he's a guest?
Ioannis Hansen: I don't know. We might need to bring in a very special guest, ah you know, to like to psychoanalyze while this is all going on. Like, I truly am worried for the man. Am I am i upset? Yes. Again, not on my behalf. I'm not that arrogant or full of myself. I feel bad for Sully and the good people of ah of of Cleveland C1.
Ioannis Hansen: But I also worry for Noah. I want the best for him. And whatever he's doing with himself right now is obviously not leading down the right path. Anyway, yeah.
Sully Shaheed: Noah, I love you. And commentating with you is probably one of my favorite parts of Nationals. But get it together, bro.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: but just Only because I care. i want you to get it together. Okay? But, yeah, to your point, yeah, just don't don't be a coward. Pick it pick a team. We're going to put our own names. And the funny thing about it, I thought about doing it today at work, but I was busy with an open house that I have to do tomorrow.
Sully Shaheed: But, we And we can do it now, actually, if you want. Would you like to place odds on the teams?
Ioannis Hansen: So hang on, before we do that, because one of the things in addition to Dan Serlin's kangaroo court, we were talking about trying to do a Calcutta.
Sully Shaheed: Mm-hmm.
Ioannis Hansen: You know what I mean? We were trying to do a Calcutta, especially since so we're going to be there Tuesday before things really get swinging and most of the people will be there that night, even if they're not playing. Like, it's the first time where, like, half the time it seems like we start on a Wednesday and there's like, you know, 20% of the people don't even show up until lunchtime on Thursday. You know what i'm saying? It's like, we might actually be able to make this happen this year. So I guess my question to you is, do you want to save that for a very special gambling episode without me? Or do you want to kind of keep that assessment in your own pocket?
Ioannis Hansen: See if maybe you can squeeze a little cash out of this Nationals
Sully Shaheed: i think I think we should do it it, set some preliminary odds for tonight. Because, you know, Chile and I are gamblers.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: You know, we do have another sports show that is focused strictly around gambling.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: So setting odds on teams should be pretty straightforward. Unless other people have different opinions about, you know, who the higher odds and lower odds should be.
Ioannis Hansen: Sure.
Sully Shaheed: So I'm down to spread it out tonight.
Ioannis Hansen: One.
Sully Shaheed: And I can create an entire sports book.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: yeah of this. Like, chat GPT is a thing.
Ioannis Hansen: Let's do it this way. Let's do our whole run through, right? Let's do our run through. Let's do our top tens here. Let's do our breakdown of the teams, talk through them, and then like who we think is kind of in the mix and who's here to learn and develop. And then at the end, we can put percentages on it once we've all kind had a chance to to commiserate and and articulate our thinking before we put percentages and spoil everything we're about to say next. Does that sound good?
Sully Shaheed: I like that. Chili, you good with that?
Ioannis Hansen: There you go.
Chilly: Yeah, I'm good with it.
Ioannis Hansen: Chili's going to throw random numbers out there.
Sully Shaheed: Chili...
Ioannis Hansen: He doesn't give a shit. This is C.
Sully Shaheed: they're not They're not random.
Ioannis Hansen: it's just here He's here for the laugh.
Sully Shaheed: They're not random, okay? Chili and I do this, okay?
Ioannis Hansen: I know.
Sully Shaheed: We gamble.
Ioannis Hansen: I believe in you. I believe in your ability to make book for this division. I believe Chili casually pays attention out of one eye while drinking when C games are going on, unless it's his dad or you playing. That's my that's my um that's my observation. Tell me I'm wrong, Chili.
Chilly: No, no, I do watch the other teams. So last year we had, you know, we had two C teams. This year we have three. So I will be watching all all three of them. So
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, but Chili, who you coaching?
Chilly: yeah the team that's going to win.
Sully Shaheed: Damn right.
Chilly: but then But then again, I mean, Snowy knows how I coach.
Sully Shaheed: Damn right.
Chilly: So I don't know if that's like Spygate or what kind of, what kind of things he's got going on.
Sully Shaheed: Oh, oh.
Chilly: But ah we'll see.
Sully Shaheed: Good point. Good point.
Chilly: Whatever I'm telling you guys, do the opposite.
Sully Shaheed: Well, listen, we're already...
Ioannis Hansen: So.
Chilly: ah
Sully Shaheed: we're we're already We're already getting you used to the feeling of coaching and winning team as your team took down the the National Division leagues this past year. So I'm just saying.
Chilly: Yeah, yeah, you know, it does it does get a little bit of an asterisk because, you know, Anthony and I had to bow our team out.
Sully Shaheed: Already got the.
Chilly: Although our team against your guys' is team in the finals would have been pretty cool.
Sully Shaheed: it would have been fun.
Chilly: But I don't know, man. Hey, man, shout out to PJ. With the way PJ's been shooting, I think me and Anthony would have been okay.
Sully Shaheed: PJ has been lighting up a net lately, huh? yeah a He's been doing well.
Chilly: yeah
Sully Shaheed: He's been doing well.
Chilly: Man, you think these two national A players are going to beat you in leagues? Nah, give it to the D player.
Sully Shaheed: Give it to freaking PJ. Like, what the fuck, dude? Fair enough.
Chilly: Shout out.
Sully Shaheed: Fair enough.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: but
Ioannis Hansen: Totally.
Chilly: but
Sully Shaheed: Strict aside, we still gave you a taste of victory and we're going to do it again. Hopefully in about what? what What's the countdown down to chill? 39 days.
Chilly: Well, let me check my free app. You can get these on any app store. don't. just my hit My new teammate, Justin DeWitt, got me hip to the calendar app. I feel like since I'm like getting old, I need you know the calendar.
Ioannis Hansen: Mm-hmm.
Chilly: ah We are...
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, my life revolves around a fucking calendar, bro.
Chilly: Yeah, and and you got kids. I don't. I don't have those kind of responsibilities. 41 days.
Sully Shaheed: Exactly. 41 days.
Chilly: forty-one days
Sully Shaheed: Here we go. Here we go.
Chilly: forty one
Sully Shaheed: ah Mr. Hanson, do you have the list of teams in front of you?
Ioannis Hansen: I do. And i went around and I got every single team name today. All the ones that we're missing, we've got everything.
Sully Shaheed: Excellent.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay? So why don't we throw them out there and then we can talk about them one at a time.
Chilly: Awesome.
Sully Shaheed: Excellent.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay? and Geographically, where would you like to begin?
Sully Shaheed: Geographically, let's start off with a center with the least representation.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: Let's go representation. Let's do it.
Ioannis Hansen: So that would be um Texas, Minnesota, and Michigan. Why don't I start with my team then? All right. I'll introduce ourselves first.
Sully Shaheed: lets do it
Ioannis Hansen: All right. So my team is the same team that we brought in 2023 to Cleveland. We're very excited to be reunited. It is First Weld Problems. Again, um Austin Kiles, Daniel Bostic, Kyle Needham, Randy Booth, who is Whirly Ball Jesus's older brother, for anybody who remembers Patrick but doesn't know exactly who Randy is.
Ioannis Hansen: And then you got me. and So we play together in 2023. We had two guys in a new position they'd never played before and two guys who were moved up from the first time from D and were playing C, their debut there. And we finished third.
Ioannis Hansen: And um we've had parts of that team together the last two years, but we're all back together again, which is part of why I'm so ah positive and enthusiastic about it. And yeah. I feel good about us. um Sully, I know you remember us from Cleveland because, and I don't mean to rip open a wound, but we knocked out of that tournament.
Ioannis Hansen: um I got our history, actually. I went and I looked up like every time you and I have played each other at nationals. Would you care to guess? You want to guess what the average margin of victory is in the games between you and me across nine games?
Sully Shaheed: It's got to be two.
Ioannis Hansen: It's 1.2 points. We have played nine games. My team has scored 154 points. Yours has scored 143. Like most of these games we play, we win or lose by two points. All the games that I win mostly, we grind that shit out at the end and win by like two or three points. There's really only like two games that have been more than three or four points.
Ioannis Hansen: And one was one that you won by nine. And one was one that I won by seven. We've never even been double digits apart in any point in any level. When we played each other or in the elimination game in... In Cleveland, I think it went to double overtime, and it was ah like a three-point game.
Ioannis Hansen: So we've met on the field of battle many times, and by God, it's time for one of us to get the hell out of this division. And um I hope it's me so that I can welcome you next year. But I'm sure you feel the same way as far as what should happen to the B division. So, but that's my team. That's Texas first weld problems.
Ioannis Hansen: And that's us. um How familiar are you guys with my guys? Any thoughts or impressions? So you've played against all those guys at least once or twice a piece. um Who's the weak spot? Who are you going hate on? Tell me who' who's for shit on my team. Cause I feel like I'm probably the weak link cause I'm one dimensional.
Ioannis Hansen: So you tell me.
Sully Shaheed: Hey, listen, I don't have any opinions one way or another only because we play these games so tight. um It's always a grind.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: It's always, you know, one ill-fated turnover or one missed bunny by ah pops or whatever the case is.
Chilly: Hmm.
Sully Shaheed: um
Ioannis Hansen: Or the year my guy, when we were trying to kill the clock, he took a shot with 12 seconds left and gave you a chance to win the game when we should have been killing the damn clock.
Sully Shaheed: But yeah, man.
Ioannis Hansen: Lucky we didn't lose that one. Anyway, sorry.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah. Yeah. Um, but no, I mean, you know, as far as versatility, well-roundedness minus, like you said, you know, you're, you're stuck in one spot, but at the same time, um, still needs to be, uh, you know, respected in rotations and everything. So, I mean, I think it's a well-rounded team. I think it's balanced.
Sully Shaheed: And I think you guys are head and shoulders above with the communication department. So I think that's where a lot of teams falter and can break down, um, when they're not talking, where they're not out on the court, you know,
Sully Shaheed: seeing what the other players are seeing and following directions. um Once you play that helter skelter game Worley Ball, man, you you can be down by a lot real quick. So I have no grief nor beef with anybody on that squad.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: So I think it's well-rounded and obviously top three consideration. Chili, how you feeling?
Chilly: I mean, it's a great team. ah I think it's going to be easily probably top two, top three teams in the division, I would think. Um, you know, again, I know, i know mostly everybody on the team, I think other than, uh, other than buckets and probably Daniel, I've, you know, I've played against Daniel a couple of times and open play or, um, you know, invite stuff and, and he's great. So, uh, he's got a great shot, a good floater, um, but also we'll do what the team wants them to do. So, um,
Chilly: couple of the other guys, I've seen play. you know They're good. i think they can tend to be a little bit wild. So just got to calm down, get within the game. ah So, no, man, it's ah it's it's a really good team.
Chilly: There's ah there's there's a lot of reason why a lot of people are putting them you know ahead of the curve, you know minus Noah, apparently. But we know he needs help. So, no, no.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah, we've we've been through that, the poor man.
Chilly: Yeah, so no no harm, no foul there. you know It's okay. you know So you know maybe we'll get him into a home soon. um So, no, it's a good team.
Chilly: I mean, Snowy did put a lot of pressure on this team.
Ioannis Hansen: He did.
Chilly: you know he He did ah pull out you know the old Trey here and –
Ioannis Hansen: No, he did not do it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. whoa whoa
Chilly: he Well, listen, listen.
Ioannis Hansen: That did not happen.
Chilly: So in in a sense, if you don't win, Snowy disowns the five of you.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Chilly: or snowy or Or Snowy is going to end his life.
Ioannis Hansen: I mean,
Chilly: he He'll be on suicide watch.
Ioannis Hansen: Snowy, Snowy has had so many concussions that if we just stand on either side of him and tap his shoulders in rapid succession so he whips his head around, he's going forget anything that happened in the last three months. So it'll be fine. Don't worry about us. We're going to work our way through this.
Chilly: i mean so there there is a lot of added pressure from you know from from your coach
Ioannis Hansen: But, um,
Ioannis Hansen: There is no... Okay, I know what you're trying to do. But honestly, no bullshit. This is not a Trey situation. There is... There's no team. I feel like the top three teams here are so competitive and so solid that like nobody's going undefeated this year If somebody goes undefeated this year in seeding against this lineup, um like the the teams that are in this pool...
Ioannis Hansen: print two fucking banners and take whoever goes undefeated and put them in the B tournament as the eighth seed because they fucking deserve it. You know what I mean? Like, it's just, I don't see anybody going undefeated because I think we are all, we there are many good teams here. I think there are several that are championship worthy. And I feel like we match up against each other in like a rock, paper, scissors type of way where I just don't see anybody running the table.
Ioannis Hansen: Sully, do you disagree?
Sully Shaheed: Oh, ain't nobody going undefeated. You can fucking forget that.
Ioannis Hansen: yeah
Sully Shaheed: yeah you You can forget that. So I'm here for it. um So what? We got 11 teams, right? 13.
Ioannis Hansen: We got 13, so we're going to have to move faster.
Sully Shaheed: routine Oh.
Chilly: It
Sully Shaheed: All right.
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Sully Shaheed: So me up. Give me Minnesota.
Ioannis Hansen: Let's do Minnesota. Minnesota is the whirly blue balls. And that is old Brady, Brady Callhammer. Sidney Robinson, who's played with him on the Thunder Wolves a couple of times. Eric Distat, who used to play with the Worleysters. That's Luke's brother. missed Last year, I think he had a wedding he was going to, and that's why he wasn't there. I don't know what it was. Not my business.
Ioannis Hansen: you know I don't keep up with his coming and going.
Chilly: sounds like a piss-poor excuse. People get married and divorced all the time.
Ioannis Hansen: It's like I say on our podcast every single time. You can always make more family. Nationals comes once a year. You know what i mean? You got to your priorities straight.
Chilly: Excellent.
Ioannis Hansen: um Dan Colbert, also a regular presence with Brady's guys and the Thunder Wolves when they played together for a number of years. And then you've got a newcomer, Lyndon Ewing, who is skipping the D division. They learned all the wrong lessons from Tyler Geiser last year.
Ioannis Hansen: And they're bringing him straight in.
Sully Shaheed: Thank you.
Ioannis Hansen: And he's I think he's a little over six feet tall, Brady said. And going to put him back at the goalie position. um And so that's the lineup, which I think, like I've said before, that I think there's three teams in a top tier here that are the favorites. I think Brady's team here is one of two that is like maybe a level below that, but very much a dark horse and very much in the mix. Because, and I don't mean any disrespect to Brady's teammates that he's had in the past years, but it it felt like anything that was going to get done on that team, Brady was going to have to be the guy to make it happen for him.
Ioannis Hansen: The other guys are very capable, but like who's going to get you the bucket?
Sully Shaheed: It's
Ioannis Hansen: Who's going to get in there and and blow up the offense? Who's going to get in there and block the shot? Brady's got to be everywhere at all times. and I feel like he's got a really good running mate with Eric. You know what I mean? I think that's a talented young man.
Sully Shaheed: eric's good
Ioannis Hansen: And um he's got guys he's familiar with. So you have like a baseline of solid play. a familiarity of unit cohesion. You have a new addition. If there's going to be a problem, it's going to be their goalie getting kind of his head turned around a little bit because the cars are not going to be as friendly as they were in Seattle to fix your mistakes. And I feel like the overall level of talent across the teams is higher than it was last year.
Ioannis Hansen: that's That would be my one weak spot for them, if that makes sense.
Sully Shaheed: um I got to hit him with the level of dark horse. Like you said, I think it's going to be a little tier below the top tier, um you know, in projections. And because they got the tag of Minnesota, they can surprise anybody.
Chilly: Thank you.
Sully Shaheed: So, I mean, it's going to be one of those things where it's you can't sleep on that team because all of a sudden one of their two shooters gets hot. And then you're down by eight and you don't know what the hell happened. So put them in the dark horse category. I think they still got a lot of experience to gain from the game.
Sully Shaheed: And I think they'll still do well, probably an above 500 team in seeding as well.
Chilly: Listen, to all C players, to all the C players, if y'all let another team with a first-year player win a banner, go fuck yourselves.
Sully Shaheed: Listen.
Chilly: That shouldn't happen.
Ioannis Hansen: e
Chilly: i want I want you guys to fucking cook this man. Okay? I'm sure he's a nice guy. Okay? that That is unacceptable. Again, shout-out to them last year.
Chilly: Great team. Great job. But my God, how did y'all fuck up that bad that we let that happen?
Chilly: Cook them.
Ioannis Hansen: So moving on, moving on to Michigan, I think, right? Are we ready to move on to Michigan, Sally?
Chilly: No.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: I think your mic dropped out, Chili.
Sully Shaheed: I think.
Chilly: No.
Ioannis Hansen: I think you dropped out a little bit there. We'll get a fixed. We'll get fixed. ready to move on, Sully? Yeah,
Chilly: hey na
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, I don't want, I don't want to, don't want to talk about what Chili just said. Fuck him. Uh,
Ioannis Hansen: it's not... don't know. I'm going
Chilly: I don't, I think this year, i i can't, I don't put Minnesota in the category of dark horse. ah I think it's a tough year.
Chilly: um i don't think they're going to be, it I don't think they'll be near the bottom. um Just unfortunately at this time, i just don't think they have enough firepower to carry themselves against the more experienced teams that will be better defensively.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: I'm with it.
Ioannis Hansen: Anything else you want to throw in there, Sully? Or should we talk about the other single-team center in Michigan? Because that's the experienced team.
Sully Shaheed: Hit me with this.
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Sully Shaheed: hit with the Hit him with the Michigan squad.
Ioannis Hansen: so So Michigan is called Mixed Up, where the M, I, and the T for Michigan and Texas are capitalized.
Sully Shaheed: Oh, ah you cute, cute.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah. Yeah. we got some We got some fun, like, font work going on here. Like, it's impressive. There's a lot of levels. There's layers on top of layers here, man. So what do we got here? We got Kelsey Carter coming in from Texas because we had six C players for five slots here locally. And all of us. So, like, Kelsey had said after Chicago that because they were having their their kid, they have a very young child, her in Austin.
Ioannis Hansen: Like, she was going to be out for a while. And we were getting back to what Chili took swipes at us for. the guys that couldn't make the trip last year like in the immediate aftermath of nationals were like we need to get the team back together and run it back we need to get it together and run it back or like if you guys are locked in let's do it like i found out you can't book a house on airbnb more than 365 days in advance because that's when my five guys all said we're in we're all going and so we didn't find out kelsey was even on the table until months later and so it just kind of worked out that we had been together and running with it and all that and um So she was a free agent and son of a bitch. If one of the best teams in the division didn't pick her up and she fits in really nicely with them. You got Kelsey in there as a mercenary. You got Keegan Gore.
Ioannis Hansen: You got old Gus, Gus Zirkle, Dan Serlin. Gus and Dan have won before, but they're playing down because Michigan doesn't have a B team. And, you know, I think they're I think they're.
Ioannis Hansen: above the division, but I don't think it's an outrageous and unreasonable team. We can talk about that a little bit later and on anything we're talking about ranking guys. but And then Jason Tilly, who I'll have some thoughts on later as well. So this, I think, is maybe the scariest shooting team in the entire division.
Ioannis Hansen: like There are going to be games where even if their defense breaks down because nobody listens to Gus, they could go shot for shot with you. You know what I mean? like Who on that team can't shoot? well above average for the level, right?
Ioannis Hansen: Except for Gus. Maybe like Gus may be an average shot compared to every of the other guys on the team, but he's the guy that's got to make the defense run. It's the same situation with me, right? I don't know. what i I've been scared of you. I've been scared of them.
Ioannis Hansen: And I think they deserve maybe to be the slate favorites. I'm not necessarily saying I pick them to win, but like they also have home court. So that's not nothing either. Anyway, dangerous freaking team.
Ioannis Hansen: Sully, what's a, where do you got them? How do you like them? What do you think?
Sully Shaheed: um I mean, just like you mentioned, you know, it's got to be, it's got to be the scoring that comes in. to to To supplant the defense, right? And it's no like offense to Gus or anything like that, but like as far as goalies that you have to deal with in C, it's probably lower tier, to be honest.
Sully Shaheed: um you know he's the I said what I said, but ah he's ah you know he's got to be a field general out there, and i like you said,
Ioannis Hansen: Wow. Okay.
Sully Shaheed: If the team can listen to him to set defenses um against some of these teams that can light up a backboard, then, yeah, they they do have the advantage. They do have home court advantage. Like you said, it's it's not nothing. You know, these are the cars they play in.
Sully Shaheed: But if they could physically outscore your team um without, you know, playing like middle of the road defense, they'll be fine. You know, um like you said, slight favorites, um you know, and like I said, I think the ah home court nudge nudge will give them the edge of that.
Sully Shaheed: So, um yeah, I mean, you know, we've got guys that have won in a division before. We got guys that have played in B before. um Very experienced team. And like you said, they got a mercenary now from your center. So it's it's it'll be a tough task for any c team to go against them. So.
Ioannis Hansen: How do I stop Dan Serlin, Chili? What do I need to look for? You've played him in B before, right? What's ah what's his weakness? Does he have any like childhood fears, any traumas that I can dredge up and yell at him while he's coming at me?
Chilly: Traumas.
Ioannis Hansen: What do I do to the man to stop him?
Chilly: Um, I mean, the thing, Dan, Dan's a good shot, more of a rhythm type of shooter, in my opinion. Um, if you just take the ball out of his hands, don't let him shoot for a couple of it.
Ioannis Hansen: They usually call a penalty when I try and do that. Like when I just kind of like reach in and go, okay, I'll be sly.
Chilly: That's all right. Dude, rough, roughing, is roughing is kind of sus. Um,
Sully Shaheed: They never call against Clint Fisher when he's in your car.
Ioannis Hansen: yeah
Chilly: i That's so true.
Sully Shaheed: So, I mean, what the hell?
Chilly: um No, a good team. My only concern for that team would be, is there somebody on that team that's willing to not want to shoot the ball as much to set up the other people who want to shoot the ball?
Sully Shaheed: Mm-hmm.
Chilly: Because that's where the interesting dynamic comes in.
Sully Shaheed: Mm-hmm.
Chilly: You have all these people that that can put ball in bucket. But if you don't have said person willing to sacrifice shots to put ball in bucket, um I know, again, Dan Sterling, great player.
Chilly: Don't exactly see that man setting a lot screens out there. All right.
Sully Shaheed: Okay, Billy-o.
Ioannis Hansen: I'm sorry.
Sully Shaheed: Okay.
Chilly: All right.
Ioannis Hansen: ah
Chilly: Facts. um Again, although, yes, Dan and Gus did win C, it was at their home center. They also had some up-and-comer, you know, named Tim Austin.
Chilly: um they They did beat our C team that year.
Sully Shaheed: I that guy. I know that guy.
Chilly: so So, again, when you have a – a very good player on your team, it's, yeah yeah you you get carried like that. So, um you know, let's see, to see they can get it done again. If there's somebody on that team that is willing to put their pride aside to set up the other people, um I think that's what it would take them to me from being, you know, not the favorite, but again, that's a team that could win.
Chilly: That definitely is how I view Team that could win.
Sully Shaheed: I like it.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: I like it. Where are we headed across the country next to you?
Ioannis Hansen: I don't know. We got Chicago, Cleveland, and Seattle. Should we save Seattle for the end so that we can reverse the pain and the you know slander a bunch of people like Noah did to us, diminish them?
Chilly: Thank you.
Sully Shaheed: Reverse the pain. Who's playing out of Chicago?
Ioannis Hansen: All right, Chicago. Chicago's got three teams, and the top-line team is the Mean Worlds. That is Alex Bureau. That is Michael Anthony, better known to many as McFly. Ryan Kelly, Sarah Doherty, of of course the Sarah Doherty Scoob Company, and Teresa Barlow.
Ioannis Hansen: So I feel like when I look at this team, this team reminds me of the team I had in 2022, okay, where we did not have a lead scorer.
Ioannis Hansen: Like there's there's a lot of people here who I like. I think some of them are still developing, which is where we were at the time. And we went in feeling very positive and optimistic with that, hey, we have three complimentary scorers. That adds up to at least two lead scorers, right? That's that's arithmetic.
Ioannis Hansen: Doesn't work that way. That was the year where I lost a game 6-2. That was year I lost a game 8-2.
Sully Shaheed: Ha ha ha ha
Ioannis Hansen: I lost three games where we held the team two single digits, one time six points. If you cannot put six on the board in a seeding game... What are you going to do? Now, I'm not saying they're goingnna be in that dire of a situation, but I also don't know that they're going defensively tight as it was with me, Daniel, and Randy Booth. But um I feel like some people are going to unlock a new part of their game over the course of this Nationals from this team, but I just don't think they're even in that second tier of contenders. i like There's a lot of good players on this team, but you know there's a you know a couple of things to to to iron out. When I look at Ryan, I played with Ryan at an Invites once or twice before. I really like him. But he reminds me a lot of Daniel about the same point in his journey. Daniel had a real tunnel vision thing. He kind of lose track of some stuff. And his shot developed more and more as the years went by. And I feel like Ryan's got a great ceiling. I just don't think he's quite there yet. And I think if somebody is going to be the take control and put ah put it in the basket guy,
Ioannis Hansen: you know, it's probably going to have to be him. And I don't know that he's ready for that yet. Teresa's great. She was on a team that beat me in 2018. That's why I finished in ah in third in 2018. Her and one of the guys that we'll talk about here in a little bit. But um it's ah it's a good team of good people, but I think you need to be a borderline great team to win this year. And I don't know if they can elevate to that level.
Ioannis Hansen: You disagree?
Sully Shaheed: No, I agree 100% with the points you said. ah Like you said, if there was a grading scale, you know, one of those like sliders that you put over everybody for ratings, I think all of them are C. I think all of them are 75s.
Sully Shaheed: And to your point where it's like, I need someone to be able to score in double digits in a given game.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: They don't have it. So they're going to grind out every single game and fight for every single victory that they get. So, yeah, again, solid, solid team as a whole. They just don't have that one or two people that are like mid 80s to push everything across. So.
Ioannis Hansen: I think they can beat anybody that's not a serious contender for the banner in any given game, but I also think that they just won't have enough firepower or enough experience.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: And I don't mean any disrespect to Teresa, because like I said, she's been around at least as long as I have. But beyond that, you've got newer people, and I just i just don't think they're going to... In the in the crucible of the C Division, can they handle the intensity?
Sully Shaheed: The Crucible. Chili, where you at?
Ioannis Hansen: me
Sully Shaheed: so we were yeah
Ioannis Hansen: Do you even know these people, Chili? Other than Teresa, maybe?
Chilly: Yeah, I know some.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Chilly: um I mean, I said that I'm –
Ioannis Hansen: Alex played on an invite steam with us. Surely you remember that memorably vividly, right?
Chilly: yeah, she was so scared to shoot the ball. And me and John are were like, bro, just shoot it, man. Rip it. Like, it's okay. Because I think me and John were playing defense, and we would like, let you guys go up the court, which was just amazing to watch.
Chilly: I was proud to be there. Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: just mean. It was mean of you to do. It was meaner than you bullying me in the lunch line is what that was. You dick.
Chilly: get to the back of the line cutter.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: ah Um, no, I mean, I said it on our podcast last time. i think Chicago, I think this is a, it's it's a rebuilt year for them as a center and see, um, I think this is the year they're going to find out kind of where their players are at and see you know, so more strengths and weaknesses, see who's, you know, who's rising to the top.
Chilly: Um, I don't think – I think the Chicago teams are going to struggle against the upper-level teams, even some of these mid-C teams. Again, I just think it's it's a rebuild year.
Chilly: And, like listen, I've been on a lot of – I was on a lot of bad C teams – Um, that got whooped. So I've been there. um so yeah for a lot of these Chicago teams, I think there's great individual talent.
Chilly: Um, but I think this year it's just, it's a rebuild year.
Sully Shaheed: Fair enough. Who's up next in Chicago?
Ioannis Hansen: C2. Maximum effort. I like it. ah Brendan Thayer.
Sully Shaheed: Maximum effort.
Ioannis Hansen: He played D in 2024 when Chicago hosted. He also came to the Michigan Invitational later that year. Really, really good dude. Really good dude. I like him a lot. um He has this like earnestness about him that is often beaten out of people as they join the Whirly Ball community and they turn sullen and and and unhappy. But he still has a joyful spirit, and I hope he can keep that about him. Julie Farrell is on this team who I was up in Chicago in October. And she was amazing. They had a practice I got to go and play along with, and she was great. like i'm real I feel like she's the lead dog on this team, and I'm really eager to see what she can do in that role because you know she's kind of got that, like, well, I'm here to have a good time kind of vibe about her. She's not like a super aggro competitive ah forefront type of person, but I feel like she is very competitive, and I feel like she's going green light whenever she wants it, which maybe hasn't been the case on previous teams she's had. Justin Serenakis, who, of course, is a banner winner. I think he was one of the scoop dogs, if I'm not mistaken, um because that was one of the things I ranted about, the children getting banners before I do a couple years ago. Broke my heart. Still mad about it.
Ioannis Hansen: ah Rob Carroll. And then you got Ross Edelman, who I don't know how many people know Ross, but Ross played in Atlanta in 2018.
Sully Shaheed: Ha ha ha!
Ioannis Hansen: He hit the hero shot that knocked us out of the tournament, put us in third place. We were in first or second overtime, um and he hit the shot in second overtime that made it 12 to 10, and we could not make up the gap.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: Twelve. Twelve.
Ioannis Hansen: Defensively, suck it was a defensive battle.
Chilly: Twelve.
Ioannis Hansen: You know what the score was on the other court? forty three to thirty six And our game was 12-10 in overtime. At least one, and I think it was two. But yeah, he's the one that hit that shot. I believe he came back and played D again in Chicago in 2024. I'm telling you, man, there's like I had a guy who was parked in the corner, but don't get me started. Anyway, anyway I'm coming for your ass, Ross. I'm getting you back to shit.
Sully Shaheed: yeah
Ioannis Hansen: i'm getting you back this year. um This is a, like you said, I think this developmental year for this team. um I also know that there are some powerful personalities here. I remember Gus and Rob were basically at each other's throats on the court when Rob was subbing in for the Mean Machine last year in Seattle. um Ross is a ah sometimes a mercurial figure, as I recall. He was ah sometimes not really joyful on the court when we were in Atlanta. I didn't watch him play much in Chicago. So if you're looking for a volatile brew that could explode, this might be the team.
Ioannis Hansen: So watch them if things go poorly. We might have an on-court murder. I don't know. It won't be Brendan because that's a delightful young man. What a sweetheart.
Sully Shaheed: Um, there's going to be some points where it does go sideways. I mean, that like, like chili said to his point, you know, it's, it's a rebuild it's guys getting experience guys and girls getting experience. Um, yeah, it's, it's nice to know that Julie's going to be a ah vocal point of that team. Um, kind of the experienced member of the squad, but like I said, they're going have some growing pains and, uh, It's going to be real evident real early.
Sully Shaheed: So, yes, I would love to see some tempers flare amongst this team.
Ioannis Hansen: ah
Sully Shaheed: At least if they're not providing good whirly ball, it'll be entertaining.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: so And that's what I'm here for, the entertainment. So, yeah, like you said, rebuild, middle of the you know probably probably on the lower tier of things, um you know in my opinion. And, again, anything can happen it in the tournament. Let's preface anything we say with that. Anything can happen it in the tournament.
Sully Shaheed: However, through seeding, it's going to be rough, man. There's going to be a lot of lot of coaching, a lot of talking.
Ioannis Hansen: Yep.
Sully Shaheed: ah So, yeah, that's where I'm at.
Ioannis Hansen: Yep.
Chilly: Yeah, on this team, I would just be interested to see Bill's son playing again. um Thought he was a very pivotal part of that team that won D a couple years ago. So um other than that, again, man, rebuild.
Chilly: You got three C teams. You got a lot of new fresh faces. Again, would they have two teams go up to B, right? So what when you –
Ioannis Hansen: Yes. So they had a team finish second two years in a row and half of them went up after Chicago and the other half went up this year to make two B teams. They may not stay there forever, they've said, but they wanted to dip the toe in the water and see what happens and just see, you know,
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: Yeah. Plus what I don't think it's mentioned a lot of times is there's a lot of former B players that are playing in C. Um, although it might not be like the biggest drop off, but like, it's still matters.
Sully Shaheed: Mm-hmm.
Chilly: Um, there's, there's a lot of people that have b level experience and and you're going to notice it in driving. You're going to notice it in communication. um So, yeah, to me for Chicago, again, it's a rebuild.
Chilly: It's nothing against any of you. It's a rebuild. Luckily, you only have again.
Ioannis Hansen: got
Chilly: Luckily, it's not a more expensive nationals for a rebuild. So at least you have that benefit.
Sully Shaheed: That is good point.
Ioannis Hansen: you got
Sully Shaheed: It is a drive. So that is a good point.
Ioannis Hansen: you got You got to get the developmental time. And I think that's part of why they have this third team here. And I don't mean any disrespect to them, but the third team is called squad goals. And I think this is the, we have people that maybe aren't at practice every week or are, you know, wanting to get some nationals reps. um You've got David Viscosil, who I don't believe. Oh, no, I do know Dave. Okay. He came.
Ioannis Hansen: See, I don't know him as David, but I believe he's a tall fellow. I think I played well. He was on my invites team. If this is who I'm thinking of really, really nice guy. I feel like he's got a lot of potential as a goalie. He just doesn't quite have the, um,
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: Thank you.
Ioannis Hansen: have a little and the ah like aggression to defend one's territory and i feel like he's two he's jesus's too gentle but you know we'll we'll teach him how to how to get meme um i like him a lot though really good dude jy k clock around is there Miles Nekow is going to be on this team who he played in D in 2024.
Sully Shaheed: Get in.
Ioannis Hansen: He was also at the seattle at the Michigan invite ah later that same year. He did not come to Seattle last year. He played on my invites team when we were in Michigan. I like him. um I think that I don't know how much practicing he's been doing.
Ioannis Hansen: And they are the ones that have the out-of-towners. They are picking up Dalton and they are picking up Phil Kennedy. So they've got some experience there. Dalton can and will shoot from anywhere.
Sully Shaheed: nay
Ioannis Hansen: And more often than not, I'll surprise you with a success. Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: Okay.
Ioannis Hansen: Hey, there's no stopping him. As we said, one of my favorite moments in 2023 when we were last in Cleveland was just we like, it felt like the whole center was sweating one particular game at the end of the night.
Ioannis Hansen: And Dalton was just on a tear. And he was just firing shots and housing them from all over.
Sully Shaheed: ah
Ioannis Hansen: And then every once in a while, he'd fire one like from the from his lap that would get blocked. And I think the line was that if you're going to ride the Dalton train, it goes to every stop, whether you like it or not. It's going to get you where you want to go.
Ioannis Hansen: But you cannot pick and choose. It's not a Chinese menu of what it will and won't happen. like You get the whole thing. Anyway, so Dalton's won a banner. I haven't. um Super awesome dude. I'm glad he's going to be here this year. He wasn't there last year. He hasn't been doing an invites. So...
Ioannis Hansen: Dalton, love you. Glad going to make it. And i think going to have some fun with this team. And I think that you're not going to have like unreasonable expectations considering you know where everybody has and hasn't been able to get reps together. you know It's a super fun shine fun super fun time, gang.
Chilly: don don't
Sully Shaheed: Yeah.
Chilly: Dalt was on a Nationals team last year.
Sully Shaheed: Oh, yeah. Don was there last year.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, that's right.
Sully Shaheed: Absolutely.
Ioannis Hansen: That's right. That's right. That's right. He was on the team with Lee and Nina and Boyd.
Chilly: Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: I'm sorry.
Chilly: Correct.
Sully Shaheed: Correct.
Ioannis Hansen: I apologize. I'm sorry. I've missed him at invites a couple of times. And so it feels like a personal rejection when Dalton doesn't come to invites.
Chilly: Correct.
Ioannis Hansen: St. Louis isn't that bad of a drive, you know? So it makes it makes me sad. I look forward to seeing Dalton. Dalton's a swell kid, man. mean, he's a kid. and He's a grown man. But you know what I'm saying. Anybody who's younger than me and I'm 40, I'm turning 46 now.
Ioannis Hansen: You're children. You're delightful young children.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, man. He's turning it he's turning the dirty 30 this year, dog.
Ioannis Hansen: Wow! Dalton! 3-0! Holy cow!
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, man. Yeah, absolutely.
Ioannis Hansen: Jesus, time flies.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, and don't forget.
Ioannis Hansen: was
Chilly: It's for him.
Sully Shaheed: Don't forget, Dalton. We are lucky friends on Pokemon Go, so we do have a trade to make.
Chilly: okay
Sully Shaheed: um
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, so hey, my kids legitimately are insane for Pokemon Go. When we finish up here, you need to be friends with my girls so that they can send you gifts because we do it on my wife's phone and my phone. And it's like the only app I have on my phone besides Gmail and text because I hate apps.
Sully Shaheed: Bet.
Ioannis Hansen: If you've ever listened to our Sunday show, they kick me in the dick about it on a regular basis. Like I'll download Lyft when I travel somewhere and then uninstall it the second I get home from the airport because I just hate having a bunch of buttons on my screen.
Ioannis Hansen: So fraggle, fraggle, lousy kids with your technology. Anyway, so be friends with my girls in Pokemon Go, all right? We'll get to that later. little sidetrack. Sorry. You can edit that out, right?
Sully Shaheed: Chili and I do the Pokemon Go, as long as well as Anthony Ola and several other nerds that we found through the Whirlywall community that do Pokemon Go.
Ioannis Hansen: You edit shit out of this all the time, don't you? Right? All right.
Sully Shaheed: So I'm just saying, we got that we got that going for us.
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Ioannis Hansen: All We're to make some new friends for my girls, and they'll be able to swap presents and, you know, whatever the little tags and stickers are. Anyway, enough of this bullshit.
Sully Shaheed: Bet.
Ioannis Hansen: Let's talk about some more teams.
Sully Shaheed: Bet.
Ioannis Hansen: What do you think?
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, like I said, ah last thought on that team is that just go out and have fun.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah, man.
Sully Shaheed: You know, that's it. Just just have some fun. That's what the game is about.
Ioannis Hansen: Yep. it
Sully Shaheed: It'll be a learning experience. um Have fun.
Ioannis Hansen: If you're on a mixed team, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Sully Shaheed: that's That's all the boys out to.
Chilly: you've got yeah you you've heard me say this at leagues. um That team is going to play with a lot of heart.
Sully Shaheed: You do be saying that, though. you
Chilly: A lot of by the heart.
Sully Shaheed: You do be saying that.
Chilly: This report.
Ioannis Hansen: If you're on a mixed team, it's like a scramble at a golf tournament. Go out, have fun, get some exercise, make some new friends. If you hit a shot that counts, awesome. Good for you. Just have fun, man.
Ioannis Hansen: You know?
Sully Shaheed: Just have some fun.
Ioannis Hansen: Anyway.
Sully Shaheed: Just have some fun.
Ioannis Hansen: Yes.
Sully Shaheed: ah Where are we moving it to now?
Ioannis Hansen: Yes. Well, I think we should go to Cleveland.
Sully Shaheed: Come on to Cleveland.
Ioannis Hansen: Let's go to Cleveland. And the the the top line team here is World of Hurt. Hurstman, the Paul Revere of lower division whirly ball leaked your team name and your designs for your shirts like five months ago.
Chilly: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: the her The Hirsch man
Ioannis Hansen: Yes, you cannot.
Sully Shaheed: yeah
Ioannis Hansen: It's just everywhere. he's he's ah He's the town crier of the C division. Like he he lets the people know what's going on and I love him for it. He will probably send me the link to this tomorrow morning when it's out, even though I'm on the show and I'm looking for it.
Sully Shaheed: ah
Chilly: good
Ioannis Hansen: And I don't want to discourage him from doing that because I love him. He's such a great dude. But we'll talk about his team in a minute because we need to start with ah with the... Oh, that is his team. Shit. He's with you. I forgot.
Sully Shaheed: Right, I was going say, the Hirschman is on this team.
Ioannis Hansen: um should really I should really read my shit.
Sully Shaheed: Mm-hmm.
Ioannis Hansen: And when I say that, I mean, we'll talk about it immediately as I discuss. This is Billy Ola, Sully, that's you, Mike Zanko, Sean Mooney, and Hurstman. Now, you, Billy, and Mooney all were together last year.
Ioannis Hansen: You and Mooney play together a lot. Like when I'm looking past at old Nationals, you guys are like, you're you're like me and Bostick. We're always together. Hurstman played on the other team with ah with Jim Sullivan and the owners. And Zanko, I don't know that I remember him specifically. I recognize the name, but I don't know that I could pick him out.
Ioannis Hansen: When's the last time he was at a Nationals?
Chilly: he He played in the D division in Chicago.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay. Okay. So he didn't go to Seattle, but he's got some Nationals experience. A rising young star. Is that what he is?
Chilly: i would i would say so.
Sully Shaheed: I don't know about Young.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, is he not young?
Sully Shaheed: No. it is He's not
Ioannis Hansen: A rising old man star.
Chilly: that fantastic
Ioannis Hansen: Is that what he is?
Ioannis Hansen: I don't know.
Sully Shaheed: he's not he's not Billy O.
Ioannis Hansen: I'm asking.
Sully Shaheed: Old, but I mean, he's he's in our category. so
Ioannis Hansen: All right. A middle-aged man. I love it. Okay. So.
Sully Shaheed: Yep, yep, yep.
Chilly: he's got a it's he's got He's got wife and kids, you know, that helps you in any way.
Sully Shaheed: Middle-aged.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah. Middle-aged.
Ioannis Hansen: The whole catastrophe. There you go. Well, I will not make you speak your own positives here. I like this team. I think this is the most complete team you've had. Like say, I don't know Zanko that well, but um like I knew I recognized the name from a nationals at some point.
Ioannis Hansen: I think this is the most complete team you've ever had. I feel like like say with, with Keegan, with you and me, I feel like with Brady, there are guys that have been stuck in this division too long. Cause you just did not have the right team around you at the right time.
Ioannis Hansen: to break through, get that banner and move up. And I feel like this is the best team I've seen you on. I feel like this is the most complete team I've seen from Cleveland at this level in a couple of years. um And like I said, as soon as I saw what this lineup was, I thought you guys are top tier.
Ioannis Hansen: um And I'm not just saying that because your show. I've said it on ours. I've been saying it ever since I knew what your lineup was. I think it was like in November when I heard what it looked like your teams were going to be. And right away, I was telling my guys, like, we got to watch out for these guys because they're gonna be right there in the mix. If we think we've got what it takes, then they've got what it takes because we're built very similarly. And, um you know, anyway, I like your team. I like your team a lot. I think you're one of the three that are in that top level fighting this thing out.
Sully Shaheed: um This team has been fun to come together and play with, um you know, through practice and against the upper guys and even our own C teams. It's been a lot of fun, um regardless of outcome of some games, because there's been games that we've literally have not showed up.
Sully Shaheed: and got wins. There's literally games that we blown out of their teams. Um, it's just, it's just going to boil down to communication, obviously. And, uh, keeping our, keeping our heads level, right?
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: Because, uh, you know, this is Zanko second nationals and he is a very emotional player, very emotional player. Um, but once you get him level headed, you know, he can hit shots with the best of them.
Ioannis Hansen: okay
Sully Shaheed: Um, obviously Billy, you know, has his reputation, you know, he, he can shoot, but, As Chili's been trying to teach him and coach him in practice, set a fucking screen.
Sully Shaheed: I mean, set a screen. That's it.
Ioannis Hansen: is the scene He's the senior circuit Dalton. He's going to get the ball, and that ball is going to the hole. it It's going up. And the shot is good.
Chilly: Thank you.
Ioannis Hansen: The man's got a stroke. I'm not trying to take it away from him, but, like, he can shoot. We got weak key on him. I'll tell you one thing that makes me sad about this year, Sully, and I know that you're you're emphasizing your defense, and you're probably going to be the man in the middle on the backside.
Ioannis Hansen: You're not going to come visit me. Usually at least once or twice a game, you'll roll up and we'll hang out. We'll talk in the key a little bit. We'll accuse each other of extending continuously. You know, we'll so well well we'll elbow and slash each other a little bit as friends do.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah. A little bit.
Sully Shaheed: a little bit
Ioannis Hansen: When am I going to see you if you're going to be the goalie? Because you know I'm not coming up there. So what the hell? We gonna hang out outside of the games? What are we going to do?
Sully Shaheed: Yeah, it's going to be outside of the games, unfortunately.
Ioannis Hansen: all right.
Sully Shaheed: ah this is it This is the year where, um you know, it's...
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Sully Shaheed: and And it's funny because, like, we we honestly don't practice like that because in our practices, I do shoot a lot. I mean, I do. um But it's only because all five of us are capable of rotating, right? So all five of us can play all five positions with the exception of Billy lip being left in the hole.
Sully Shaheed: But other than that...
Ioannis Hansen: ah
Sully Shaheed: and And it's the knock against him, but like if he's there, get the fuck out. like get Get out.
Chilly: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Billy bill billie should not be the goalie.
Sully Shaheed: No, no.
Chilly: that's That's not good for anybody.
Sully Shaheed: but But we... It's not good for anybody.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, man.
Sully Shaheed: No.
Chilly: No.
Sully Shaheed: But, hey, man!
Chilly: yeah I mean, yeah,
Sully Shaheed: hey Over these past couple weeks, though, he's been getting a couple blocks. I think he shit... Ricky shit back in and we just laughed.
Chilly: yeah yeah. I think one game he had two blocks, and I said that's the first time he had a block since 1994. was three. i was three
Sully Shaheed: easily 94 easily, but yeah, it's, it's going to be a lot of fun with this team.
Chilly: Probably. Yeah, probably 94.
Sully Shaheed: So yeah, I'm, I'm looking forward to it Joe, what are your thoughts?
Ioannis Hansen: Chili, you're coaching them, right?
Chilly: Yes, this is the team that I am coaching.
Ioannis Hansen: Are you like Snowy coaching them to beat anyone? Are you coaching them to beat us as Snowy pretends like he's been doing with with our team for you? are you Are you preparing them for what we're going to bring?
Chilly: well
Ioannis Hansen: Because we know each other. We have played nine times at Nationals in just the last couple of years.
Chilly: yeah ah No, man, and um I'm just coaching. Again, it's like you guys know what we're going to We know what you're going to do.
Chilly: You know, again, it's whirly ball.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah. No.
Chilly: there's There's not too many like well-kept secrets that you can have. that you're just like, well, shit. Like, so again here, ah no this is the team that I'm coaching. um You know, again here, they played well this past Monday. um So super excited to get that, get them out here. You know, I get tasked with coaching Billy ah because I'm going to argue because he's going to argue the least with me.
Chilly: Cause I think he'll fight, he'll fight Anthony.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay. Okay.
Chilly: well Well, Anthony anthony doesn't... ah anthony Anthony just yells at Billy when I have more of a calm, soothing technique with
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah, i've i've always I've always seen you as like a nurturing motherly type figure. That's how I've always kind of interpreted your constant psychological and emotional and verbal abuse that you level at people.
Chilly: But... Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: Now, unless if it's me and Anthony, then fuck that guy. we're going to fight. ah I mean, just it in perspective, we literally had a game.
Ioannis Hansen: you
Chilly: We literally had a practice this past Sunday where Anthony and i this mid-game, we were fighting for about five minutes while playing the game of Worley Ball back and forth. like I think we were at some point we were down by 10, looked up at the score and said, oh, shit, we're down by 10. And then we came back to one. But...
Chilly: oh That's neither here or there, but ah no man, I'm super excited for this team. I really like our other two teams as well, but a lot of experience on this team. A lot of people that have played B on this team.
Chilly: um A lot of everybody's been really coachable so far, which is great.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: So I'm excited.
Ioannis Hansen: Because won 10 years ago, right? Sean's won this division 10 years ago too, right?
Chilly: He won, correct. He won with us in what we won C at five in the morning.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Chilly: Thanks, Snowy.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay. You say he won with you just to maybe kind of like stir up a little division. Are you saying that you basically threw him over your shoulder and carried him to that banner and that he didn't earn it on his own?
Chilly: Oh, no, no, oh, no, no, No, Anthony carried anthony carried us.
Ioannis Hansen: Because that's what I'm hearing. Is that... Anthony carried all of you? Okay. All right.
Chilly: Yep, yep, pretty much.
Ioannis Hansen: But you're saying that Mooney had absolutely no real value and didn't really accomplish it himself. That's what I'm hearing. just Just stir, stir, stir, stir.
Chilly: ah he played He played really good defense when I kicked him out of the picker spot.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay. All right. I know Mooney's good. he knows He knows I love and respect him.
Chilly: Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: He does play up a lot, and we we converse. We chat. ah you know I think I feel maybe I just have more respect for him than you do, but you guys can work that out amongst yourselves. I'll leave it to you to handle in the in Cleveland.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay?
Chilly: Fair, fair.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Chilly: I'll handle that.
Ioannis Hansen: All right. Shall we do, shall we move on to the BWC?
Sully Shaheed: Let's do it.
Ioannis Hansen: This is the Buckeye Whirly Ball Club, you dirty birds.
Chilly: yeah
Ioannis Hansen: ah but Yeah, they are calling themselves the BWC. This is Ryan Barker, my friend from the Minnesota Invites. Craig Good, who I don't know as well as Ryan, but they both have ownership in this in this thing, right?
Chilly: They are both the owners. Those are the those are the head honchos in charge at our center.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Ioannis Hansen: Yes. ah Sean Miko, who I believe if i'm you you guys tell me if I've got anybody wrong here, Miko is the guy who is like a giant. He's he's like, ah is he not? Who's the fellow that's like almost like six, eight?
Chilly: Nope.
Sully Shaheed: That would be easy E on the third team. That would be Eric you're referring to, I'm sure.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, that's Eric Schrader. All right.
Sully Shaheed: Yep.
Ioannis Hansen: I'm mixing my guys up. I'm so sorry. All right. But I know that Mike and Pat, the.
Chilly: um Michael mico mico is the one.
Ioannis Hansen: Is it Michael?
Chilly: he's got sli
Ioannis Hansen: oh I'm sorry.
Chilly: He's got slick back, blonde hair. If you remember ah when Nationals was in Cleveland, he was selling the raffle tickets.
Ioannis Hansen: I don't remember that. I had been burned by Brett Coonsie in a bullshit lottery before, so I wasn't buying tickets from anybody. He scammed me out of like five bucks.
Chilly: but
Ioannis Hansen: So, you know you're not going to get me twice.
Chilly: Bastard.
Ioannis Hansen: he But no, OK, so I apologize, Michael. But I know that Mike and Pat, they were the twins that played with you in 2023, right? They're the ah the Drew Carey impersonators that do a Proclaimers cover band, if I remember what they look like. Am I getting them right? Is that who they were?
Sully Shaheed: deadly accurate. Yeah.
Chilly: you
Ioannis Hansen: I like them. They're good dudes. It's tough to key on who's going to do what because they are very, very identical in their appearance.
Chilly: Yes.
Ioannis Hansen: But try not to let one get out of your eyeline and you can figure out which is which at all times. so No, I like these guys. It's team. I don't think they're as good as your team. And so I wouldn't rule them out from like having a good tournament.
Ioannis Hansen: But like you know if you were like, hey, who's going to take it from Cleveland? I think it's your team, and that's no disrespect to these guys. Because the other thing, from what I understand, is they don't get as many reps in practice as um as you would expect from guys that own the place.
Ioannis Hansen: Is that right?
Sully Shaheed: Correct. um The guys are, they're tough to schedule and Mike and Pat are police officers. So they rarely get time off to come up and work with us, but ah you know, there there's mainstays and leagues, so they get the reps in.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: But um yeah, the the thing about this team is a hundred percent mental stability.
Ioannis Hansen: OK.
Sully Shaheed: um They all can shoot with the exception of Michael, who's going to anchoring the defense. um
Ioannis Hansen: OK.
Sully Shaheed: And if they can, if they can mentally keep themselves together as they, you know, Mike and Pat, they argue a lot, you know, being brothers and twins, obviously Chilean and they can relate to that.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: um Same with the Dobies.
Chilly: they argue They argue more than me and Anthony.
Sully Shaheed: They do.
Chilly: And that's saying something.
Sully Shaheed: They do. They do.
Chilly: That's saying a lot. It's a lot.
Sully Shaheed: um But it's it's more like when they when they are losing, they mentally check out really quickly. And in the game of Worley Ball, where there's comebacks that are completely possible, no matter what the score is, um you can't check out. And they do.
Sully Shaheed: So like league example, um they kicked this team's ass game one. OK, and then they came back, got smacked a little bit by us and then went to losers to face that same team again with little Sean and Rick and Ty.
Sully Shaheed: And they came out and just checked out. I mean, Ty couldn't miss. He could not miss. It was insane. And every shot Ty hit, it was just demoralizing.
Chilly: This is a
Sully Shaheed: And they checked the hell out and inevitably lost. So it's more like if they can keep their head still and calm and talk through things, they'll be just fine.
Sully Shaheed: But mentally, they they are rough, man.
Ioannis Hansen: shall we shall we Shall we move to the third team, or do you have other thoughts on these guys?
Sully Shaheed: Rough.
Chilly: this is a this is a team that in one game can score 40 points and then in another game score eight.
Ioannis Hansen: High variance.
Chilly: But one thing i one thing they will one thing that i do give credit for they will at least have
Sully Shaheed: so true
Chilly: pretty good defense
Sully Shaheed: yep 100%
Ioannis Hansen: right.
Sully Shaheed: hundred percent
Chilly: through their credit
Ioannis Hansen: So, my my Cleveland sources gave me two different names for this third team that we have here. One told me they're called the Drizzle, and the other told me they're two fans and a weatherman.
Ioannis Hansen: So you two numbskulls argue amongst yourselves what's the actual name, and then I'll tell you what the players are.
Chilly: and
Chilly: It's what I said.
Sully Shaheed: Go ahead, Joe. He did.
Chilly: So their name is Two Fams and a Weatherman. So obviously because they have two families and Jim is a meteorologist.
Ioannis Hansen: It's not obvious yet. It's not obvious yet. I'm getting there. But they do. They have Rick and Sean Murad.
Chilly: but
Ioannis Hansen: They've got Ty and Eric Schrader. And they've got Jim Sullivan. Jim played with Hurstman last year. Eric Schrader played with you last year, Sully. Ty Schrader was a beefy boy, but I don't believe he made the trip to Seattle last year.
Ioannis Hansen: Is that right?
Chilly: He did. No, he was on a so he was on a seattle he was on a Seattle D team.
Ioannis Hansen: He played... yeah Was he there?
Sully Shaheed: he did it
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, okay.
Chilly: Yep.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay, okay, okay. Because he was one of the beefy boys in 2023, and I don't remember him from 2024, but he came back and played down in D in Seattle.
Chilly: Him and Sean. Yes.
Chilly: Yes, he did not play in Chicago.
Ioannis Hansen: Is that right?
Chilly: um he he Honestly, so like he played...
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: He was there. He was there.
Chilly: He was there and when that man was there watching ah our tournament games and the C games, that is when that boy got hooked. um He was yelling at his father.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Chilly: he's like, does shoot oh, just put your scoop up. why did Like this man was yelling at his father. And then um and then i think watching our A division games, he just got even more hooked.
Chilly: So ah yeah, so I think we have a lifer there.
Ioannis Hansen: Awesome.
Sully Shaheed: Yes. Yes. And he's good too. He's been, he's been improving so much. So I'll give him credit.
Chilly: Yes, he has.
Sully Shaheed: I'll give him credit.
Ioannis Hansen: Wow. um Good group of guys. I really love Jim. We'll talk about that later. I think, you know, Eric, obviously I remember him. I thought he was somebody entirely different. He's ah he's confusing in his identity, but undeniable in his presence. And then um Rick, I like, so here's the thing with Rick, because I played against him a number of times.
Sully Shaheed: Pops.
Ioannis Hansen: Wednesday Rick has a certain intensity and give a shittery that seems to wane as he gets tired and the week continues.
Chilly: Oh my god.
Ioannis Hansen: Like, Saturday-Sunday Rick is not Wednesday Rick. I have noticed. And I don't mean that disrespectfully. He's done more in this game than I ever have.
Sully Shaheed: no
Ioannis Hansen: But I believe... I see a trajectory over the course of the week based on years past. And I'm wondering, like, we we got him on, like, some amphetamines or something to pep him up for tournament. Like, what's the strategy for two fans and a weatherman to make maximum Rick in crunch time?
Ioannis Hansen: Are you guys doing anything? You have you got him on, like, horse meth? What are we doing? and What are we pumping him up with?
Chilly: thats that that's ah that my That's the team my brother's coaching.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay. Okay.
Chilly: ah Brad Dobies has the other team because he is related to Mike and Pat.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Chilly: They're cousins.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Chilly: so um
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Chilly: Now, man, two fans two fans in the weather, man. ah this this This is the team I'm going to slap with the dark horse label.
Ioannis Hansen: okay
Chilly: I'm going to slap, man.
Ioannis Hansen: okay
Chilly: this This team in practice lately has been playing well. um they i mean, you want to talk about from two months ago to now? Pfft, night and day.
Chilly: Completely night and day. You know, they made some changes. um the And I think the one particular change they made is going to be for the better. That individual may not like it. Yeah.
Chilly: But they are winning, so that individual is going to learn to love it.
Ioannis Hansen: I would like to point out that this is a podcast to discuss and predict. This is not fucking witness protection. Could you name a name and maybe discuss what the hell it is you're talking about? You mysterious bitch.
Ioannis Hansen: Tell us what the hell you're trying to say.
Chilly: Yeah. Yeah. ah just You could probably take one guess on the one player on the team who might not like a change, um as you just talked about him.
Ioannis Hansen: Are you saying that generationally people resist change when they've gotten into certain patterns and routines? Is that with my understanding correctly?
Chilly: like It would be one, you know, Rick Moran.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay. Okay. okay All right. Now I got you. Okay. Is he not like his positional assignment that he's been switched to?
Chilly: So.
Ioannis Hansen: Is that what we're hearing?
Chilly: Facts. But.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay, all right. you know we don't have to like We don't have to pull the skirt all the way up.
Chilly: But.
Ioannis Hansen: I'm just like, you know tell me a little bit about what's going on here. like Okay, now I got enough to understand what the emotional weak points and sensitivity areas are to exploit to my own benefit. Wherever Rick is, I'm gonna be like, Rick, why would they put you here?
Sully Shaheed: Just know that you're gonna have a lot of conversations with Rick.
Ioannis Hansen: I've played against you. You should be... we Oh, I usually do.
Chilly: yeah
Ioannis Hansen: He likes to hang out with me. I will say, though, so like, if you watch our elimination game from Seattle...
Sully Shaheed: He will be hanging out with you a lot.
Ioannis Hansen: By the end of the week, because I know he's kind of starting to get sore and tired, when he came up to play in that game, constant, constant, constant, kind just banging him and banging him and hitting him and hitting him and hitting him. And in about four minutes, he drove away and left. And then somebody else came up. And so we'll see if he wants to stay with me for a whole game because I'm looking to just make his life miserable. I like you, Rick. You're a really good dude. He's never been. The only time he's ever been anything but delightful to me was when somebody asked me to bring him a drink on the floor in Cleveland. He's like, what the hell are you doing out here with ah with with a drink? And i was like, so-and-so told me to do it.
Ioannis Hansen: An older boy made me. And he just gave me like the angriest look I've ever seen. And I was like, all right, I'm just going to leave now. And otherwise, we've been cool. Good dude. I like him.
Chilly: That is back when it was still his place Now he don't give a fuck
Ioannis Hansen: No.
Sully Shaheed: Now he give a fuck. So...
Ioannis Hansen: man hey i guess I could bust champagne and spray it all over the floor the next time you guys host, right? All right.
Sully Shaheed: That'll be the invites.
Chilly: Facts
Ioannis Hansen: Well, we have to hold off on that.
Sully Shaheed: That'll be the invites. But yeah, I mean...
Ioannis Hansen: We have some invite stakes to discuss, but let's wait let's wait until the very end for that, okay? We can't let this opportunity pass.
Sully Shaheed: For sure. Yeah, we do. We do. We do.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay. All right.
Sully Shaheed: But yeah, like Chili said, I think that's a good shout with ah being the dark horse. um I mean, I think it was two weeks ago that I was there. um And I don't know if their full team was there. Maybe one of you guys sub with them. But I mean, they whipped our ass.
Sully Shaheed: I mean, like took us to the shed.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: And I'm just like.
Ioannis Hansen: Wow.
Sully Shaheed: fuck is this team and then watching tile monday literally shoot that he was a 90 shooter i mean it was insane i mean just bang bang bang so he can bring the intensity like that yeah dark horse i like that that's a good show
Ioannis Hansen: Wow.
Ioannis Hansen: Huh.
Ioannis Hansen: Dang.
Ioannis Hansen: Wow.
Chilly: Ty Ty So Ty was not playing like a C Division style Ty was like Is that a screen at like three and a half Felt fucking rip it I'm like Alright Ty Ty
Ioannis Hansen: Maybe.
Sully Shaheed: rip it
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Ioannis Hansen: it's sound What I'm hearing now is that I've wildly overestimated you. Maybe I owe Noah half an apology if you're getting schooled by your your Cleveland rivals. Maybe like I should still be aggrieved for my own being undersold, but it sounds that you're telling me that I've built you up in my mind as more than you are.
Sully Shaheed: Listen, settle down.
Ioannis Hansen: that's That's what I'm mean
Sully Shaheed: All right. They got us one time. Okay. That ah shit ain't going happen again.
Chilly: Oh, okay.
Sully Shaheed: All right.
Ioannis Hansen: and
Sully Shaheed: Because with because cause in the league championship on Monday, we took them to the woodshed.
Ioannis Hansen: It's always going to be in
Sully Shaheed: So ah minus pops, or not pops, other pops was not there on that team.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: But still, Eric makes a difference.
Ioannis Hansen: It's going
Sully Shaheed: Eric makes a difference. um let's Let's go ahead and knock out with Seattle real quick because...
Ioannis Hansen: It's going the back of your mind. It's going to be in the back your mind. Okay. right. right.
Sully Shaheed: ah
Ioannis Hansen: Let's move it because we're moving. home We're taking a while. Okay. So Seattle, let's run through the teams real quick because I think the story with all of them is there's a lot of talent. Like you said, Chili, I think i think they're they could take what they've got right here and turn them into two really competitive contender teams without a doubt.
Ioannis Hansen: But what they've done instead is they've kind of treated this as a balance year. And I don't want to say a developmental year because any one of these could could rise up and be right there in the mix. But which one's it going to be? I think if you sat down and asked us when we get through these names, which one do you think is the Seattle team is going to rise to the top? We'll probably give you three different answers. So let's start with the Seattle Sea Devils. That is Rebecca Morris, who played on the lead C team last year. Will Nelson, who played D last year. Jaron Weber played D last year.
Ioannis Hansen: Nina played on the second C team with Liam Boyd and company and Dalton. Sorry, Dalton. Didn't mean to forget that you were there last year. Obviously, I remember you. They beat us in seeding in the end of the tournament. like So I remember Dalton. Wowsy-ass Dalton shooting over me.
Sully Shaheed: Through you.
Ioannis Hansen: Anyway.
Chilly: Is it...
Sully Shaheed: he didn't shoot over you, brother. he shot through you.
Ioannis Hansen: Maybe he shot around me.
Sully Shaheed: Around through whatever it is.
Ioannis Hansen: And Grant Kramer, who played D last year. So that's the C Devils. Grant Kramer. Sorry, Grant. Let's say your name. Make sure you're heard clearly. He played D last year. World War C. This is James Reed, won the banner last year, I believe. Just ask him and he'll tell you. Owen Gill, also played D last year. We all know Owen Gill because we all know James Gill.
Ioannis Hansen: Lee Jensen, who's been around, I believe that you said that his 20th anniversary was 10 years ago or whenever when Snowy played with him. The guy's been playing whirly ball for a long, long time.
Ioannis Hansen: And just like a boxer, the power's the last thing to go.
Chilly: Shotgun Lee.
Sully Shaheed: Shotgun Lee.
Ioannis Hansen: The shot is the last thing to go. He's big and he's tall and he can shoot. um Mike, he won D in 2019 when Seattle hosted. I don't believe he's traveled. is it I don't know if it's Pop or Poppy.
Ioannis Hansen: My apologies, Mike. um I don't know you that well. um Come say hi. um um I'm delightful. Get to know me. ah um And then Cassie Thielen, who played D last year. ah The third team, World... and I got to move my paper because my mic's in the way. World Not Stirred. There's too many Seattle teams. They go too far down the page. Very, very inconsiderate. World Not Stirred, which I like. I'm looking forward to seeing what that shirt is. Hopefully it doesn't scream at me from across the parking lot. If it's a more... so If it's a James Bond design aesthetic, maybe I'll get me one of those jerseys.
Sully Shaheed: I like that name.
Ioannis Hansen: But we'll see.
Sully Shaheed: like that name. not going to lie.
Ioannis Hansen: It's good. John McCurdy.
Sully Shaheed: That's pretty good.
Ioannis Hansen: John McCurdy was a C player for Seattle last year. Kyle Vaughn, I believe he was also on the banner winning team. He's not as ah vocal about it as some, but a talented guy. He came to the invites here in Texas and played really well, acquitted himself well. Sean Atchison, former Slammin' Salmon and C division champion, has ah graciously accepted the the brief dip back in the kiddie pool with the rest of us to help make the numbers work. Boyd, Wolhart, he played on the second Seattle team with Lee, Nina, and Dalton. Danica Mowry, she played D for Seattle last year. and Then the fourth team is the Cherry Peckers.
Ioannis Hansen: ah That is Dustin Vong, who's played in B before and won C back in 2019 along with Mike. Nick Carney, who played on the C team last year for Seattle. Alex Peck, if you don't know Alex, he's the guy who had the tattoo of me a high on his inner thigh because of the pants he wears. It was visible whenever he was on the court. Scott Carpenter played D for them last year, and Cherry Kramer also played at the D division last year. So those are your four Seattle teams.
Ioannis Hansen: And I feel like we said this, like I said, and you guys haven't said shit yet. I'll leave it to you to make your own assessments. But I feel like one of these teams at least is going to get right up there and and work their way into dark horse status. It's just who is going to compensate for the learners and Who is going to be able to switch and adjust and who is going to be able to keep pace with the more experienced, um arguably ah more favored teams at the top of the of the division this year?
Ioannis Hansen: And who any who do you want to talk about here or do you just want to pick your favorite and talk about them? And then we'll take the the leftover ones and give them a little love individually too.
Chilly: think we just i think I think we just pick our favorite, right?
Ioannis Hansen: Okay, what's your favorite? Chillie, you go first.
Chilly: ah The team that has a gill on it.
Ioannis Hansen: All right, World War C. All right. It's a good reason as any to pick them.
Chilly: Yeah, I mean, yeah. um I mean, truthfully, i think Owen is better than a couple of their B players. I'm just going to be honest.
Ioannis Hansen: Wow.
Chilly: I'm just going to be honest with you.
Ioannis Hansen: Wow, wow, wow.
Chilly: I think he's better.
Ioannis Hansen: Cool.
Chilly: i think he's better than a couple of them. Truthfully. um I'm just going to take the guy with the famous last name and, uh,
Ioannis Hansen: Sure.
Chilly: And it's I think he can put the team on his back and and go from there. So and that that's the team I'm going to roll with. i'm gonna Plus, i did i was I did get to coach him last year a little bit along with James.
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Chilly: So, ah yeah, I'm going to take the team with Owen on it.
Ioannis Hansen: Chili's betting on, like it's a horse racing. He's betting on the bloodline. Good for you. All right.
Sully Shaheed: Hey, listen, real quick, ah as we, I got digress little bit. um
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: This just in the Cleveland Cavaliers have defeated the Detroit Pistons on the road to take a 3-2 series lead as we head back to Cleveland this Friday night.
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Chilly: We came back.
Sully Shaheed: We can't come back.
Ioannis Hansen: I didn't even realize i didn't realize you guys were going to be, i like I thought that was tomorrow night. You guys, look Noah's hateful commentary and your passion for the Whirly Ball community made you miss a critical game five for your hometown team to do this, to set the record straight and to edify the people.
Chilly: It's not.
Chilly: Listen, we have James Harden.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, I'm sorry. Bless you, bless you, boys.
Chilly: We have James Harden and Donovan Mitchell. um not exactly the most big time playoff performers.
Ioannis Hansen: it
Chilly: of Donovan Mitchell likes to score four points in one half and then score 40. It's not a recipe for success.
Sully Shaheed: Well, regardless of how you feel about that, I only say that and interrupt this this Seattle talk because this is not going to be the first time Cleveland comes in to Michigan and wins.
Ioannis Hansen: They did it.
Sully Shaheed: So just putting it out there.
Ioannis Hansen: we go.
Chilly: it
Ioannis Hansen: All
Sully Shaheed: as we've As we've said, Chili, I'm going to just go ahead and leech off you.
Ioannis Hansen: Topical.
Sully Shaheed: And um I'm going to say a bloodline member will be the favorite out of those Seattle teams to win. I'm sorry to win out of that Seattle group and probably etch themselves into dark horse territory.
Sully Shaheed: Cause like i mentioned at the beginning of the show, man, it's tough because they're different cars and this is inexperience. I mean, like there's a couple of people around each team that have played for God knows how long, but, but having said that they're surrounded by other inexperienced players, So I think that puts him at an automatic disadvantage.
Ioannis Hansen: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sully Shaheed: I think that Chili's right. I think that, you know, Owen can win games on his own if given the opportunity. But having said that, that might not translate to tournament time, because if you do that in seeding, guess what?
Sully Shaheed: We're just going to freaking dog you and pinch you and let somebody else beat us.
Ioannis Hansen: One thing I will say, and you guys wouldn't know this because much like Dalton, you took your Texas invites RFCP and just threw it right in the trash. But, you know, whatever. um that's not That's between you and Snowy. None of my business. I was impressed with how many ah D graduates from Seattle made the trip to Texas in the invites to get a little upper-level experience and get some experience in a clutch-type car. ah Gil was there. James Reed was there. Peck was there. A lot of the ladies were there. um Kyle Vaughn was there and played in the middle division along with James. Like,
Ioannis Hansen: They are in this to win it. And you have to respect the gumption, the commitment. And like I say, i I think you could take some of these folks and shuffle them up and make two contenders this year. I sure as shit hope I win this year because I don't want to deal with whatever's going to be Voltron together from these four teams next year and have to fucking fight through that too.
Ioannis Hansen: Like, it's time. It's time for somebody and it better be me. So um I will, I have no disrespect for that team, that World War C team. Good bunch a good bunch of fellas. I like them. But if I had to pick one,
Ioannis Hansen: Just one, mind you. It would be world not stirred. I really like McCurdy.
Sully Shaheed: yeah
Chilly: I see.
Ioannis Hansen: I really like McCurdy's game. We'll talk about that when we speed race through our top tens. Um, Atchison, I just, he's like, uh, he's like the duck hunt dog snickering at me every time that I lost to them, uh, uh, 2023 and 2024.
Ioannis Hansen: Cause I believe his team knocked me out both times, if I'm not mistaken, or at least knocked me down at once.
Sully Shaheed: Thank
Ioannis Hansen: So, um, Yeah, it's ah he's ah I've got bad memories playing against him. um you know it's And Kyle Vaughn, I think he's beyond the D level already. like I think he's going to come in ready to play at C. I've seen him do it here in cars that he was not familiar or comfortable in, and he found a way to acquit himself. And I'm not saying he's going to take over the division and be an MVP, but I really like his game, and I think he's going to play better than one would expect a rising D player because it can be a tough transition.
Ioannis Hansen: you know So that would be my pick.
Sully Shaheed: Absolutely.
Ioannis Hansen: I like the Cherry Peckers, too. No disrespect to them. The Seattle Sea Devils, I don't know as many of them as well. I know Rebecca really well as far as a player. I don't know her that well personally. We've talked like five times. But she's really good.
Ioannis Hansen: You could make the argument that she was one of the one of, if not the best players on their C team last year, and some in the community there do. So no disrespect to the Sea Devils, no disrespect to the Cherry Peckers. But I would, if I had to pick one to rise above, it would be World Not Stirred.
Ioannis Hansen: So... There's your breakdown. Who's your final?
Sully Shaheed: Hey, listen, i i've already I've already pegged them as like getting the award for best team name.
Ioannis Hansen: What do you got? let's to oh sorry. Go ahead. Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: i' just Spoiler alert, but they're definitely in competition to have a free drink on your boy Sully.
Ioannis Hansen: We're
Ioannis Hansen: in the mix.
Sully Shaheed: And if not a drink, if you're not a drinker, pick something else and i I'll make sure you're taken care of.
Ioannis Hansen: Get a candy bar.
Sully Shaheed: But they are they are heavy, strong favorites right now to to do that.
Ioannis Hansen: Get your candy bar.
Sully Shaheed: um So yeah, you said finals and winner? Is that what we're predicting?
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah, so, I mean, however you want to do it. I told you, like, I see two or three maybe dark – I like Minnesota as a dark horse. I like one, maybe two of the Seattle teams as a dark horse. But my three favorites, obviously, are you, us, and Michigan.
Ioannis Hansen: um And we can do percentages on it if you want. I know that was something you said you wanted to do. I will happily do that first if you want to name your picks, and then we can all do percentages however you want to do it. It's your show, man.
Sully Shaheed: you know You know, I think Chili and I can do a sidebar on the sports book.
Ioannis Hansen: Why don't I shut up? Okay.
Sully Shaheed: I think we can do it on our last episode before nationals, if that's cool with you, Chili.
Ioannis Hansen: You got it on your own? Okay. That's good. Absolutely.
Chilly: Yeah, that's fine. We sidebar it.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: Excellent.
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Sully Shaheed: Excellent. um
Ioannis Hansen: Well, what are your what's your take on the division then?
Sully Shaheed: finals Finals, depending on seating, is going to be how these teams have to get through because I think one of those dark horse teams is going to upset one of the top teams. And I think seating is going to be vastly more important this year than it will in any other year. And I think it's going to apply to all divisions. I think seating is going to be extremely important.
Sully Shaheed: um Top three seeds. I still got to go with, um you know, your team, my team and ah Michigan. And I think we're going to be top three in seeding. I think that finals wise, because of the wild card aspect of it and a dark horse upsetting one of these teams, I think that it's going to be.
Sully Shaheed: You know what? I'm just going to go us and your team.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: I was going to go us
Ioannis Hansen: Cause I was gonna say, I was gonna hang up if it wasn't, I'm just kidding. i'm kidding.
Sully Shaheed: I was going to go us in Michigan because I feel like you would be the three seed and you would want it to run of those wild cards.
Ioannis Hansen: That's the reputation, isn't it?
Sully Shaheed: However, however, having saying, having said that, if you can get the two seeds somehow, I think you avoid the upset factor. So um I think we run both sides of the bracket, meet up top.
Ioannis Hansen: No.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, yeah.
Sully Shaheed: And I think that's the way it's going to be. So.
Ioannis Hansen: I think if you have a team like you have, I have, or Michigan has, and you don't pick yourself in the final, i don't know why you're even making the trip. So I think you have to put yourself there, and I'm flattered that you would pick us. um I think it's going to be – obviously I have to pick us, but I think the other two teams are going to be fighting out for that other spot are you guys and Michigan.
Ioannis Hansen: And, you know, it's hard for me to pick against Michigan because Elsie's here. I can't pick against you. You'll never have me back. So I will just watch with – I'll watch with –
Sully Shaheed: so
Chilly: second
Sully Shaheed: its yeah You would be more than welcome back.
Ioannis Hansen: i'll watch I'll watch with great interest the semifinal game and prepare for whatever comes my way, assuming I can finally make it into a damn final and not finish third. Chili, how do you see the division, man?
Chilly: That is such like a Noah type answer. Who the fuck are you playing in the final?
Ioannis Hansen: It's...
Chilly: Who are you playing in the final?
Ioannis Hansen: It's a very specific action. there It's a very specific...
Chilly: you Who are you playing?
Ioannis Hansen: It's not a...
Chilly: Who are you playing? You play Cleveland? You play in Michigan?
Ioannis Hansen: Seattle. seat Seattle. You know, Noah makes a lot of good points. I'm just going say Seattle. That'll clear me up.
Chilly: yeah Come on.
Ioannis Hansen: i got four I've got four bites at the apple.
Chilly: you playing?
Ioannis Hansen: I've really come around on Noah.
Chilly: Who are you playing?
Ioannis Hansen: he was he's He really knows what he's talking about.
Chilly: Who are you playing?
Ioannis Hansen: Us and Seattle. There you go.
Chilly: Who are you playing?
Ioannis Hansen: Man, I say emotionally, I think I'm pulling an oar for you, Sully, but it's hard to overcome the home court thing. So I would say all three of us are equally likely to be in the final. But if I had to see you guys playing against them, I think home court might be the very fine razor's edge between it. That's not me disrespecting or picking against you. I just think if I'm if that's how the bracket shakes out, and you said, okay, put your money down on one team, you got to pick one, the home court's such a big deal.
Ioannis Hansen: um But you said, you know, you don't know how this thing's all going to play out. um And i you could just as easily be the one waiting in the finals for one of the other two of us. So don't be disrespected. But since Chili shamed me with a Noah accusation, there you go.
Chilly: There we go. There. There we go.
Sully Shaheed: Michigan, did you you realize that Michigan is our home away from home?
Chilly: there we go.
Sully Shaheed: Like, i we're just as comfortable though at that court than we are in Cleveland. Like, there's no home court advantage.
Ioannis Hansen: right.
Sully Shaheed: I mean, but it is what it is. It's fine. Like, I've played in a C-final on that court before, and I plan on doing it again.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: So, there's that.
Ioannis Hansen: I believe in you. I truly do. Do we want to speed run a top 10 here? Do we have time? We're at 90 minutes. Do we dare try and get into this?
Chilly: No, i think I think we were going to do the 10 after the tournament. And I was going to keep it to a top.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh.
Sully Shaheed: that's how we That's how we normally do it, yeah
Chilly: I was going to keep... Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: Well, shit, man. What the hell did I rank 10 people for? What a waste of my time.
Chilly: I mean...
Sully Shaheed: yeah. You know what?
Chilly: okay
Sully Shaheed: no.
Ioannis Hansen: Communicate your shit!
Sully Shaheed: let's look it
Chilly: Hold on.
Sully Shaheed: Let's have it.
Chilly: I still have to pay.
Sully Shaheed: but You took the time out to do it. I want to see it.
Chilly: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: I want to see ah Johnny Buckets top 10 list.
Ioannis Hansen: Thank you, Sully.
Chilly: Hold on.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Chilly: I... so Hey, I still got to pick my final, by the way, the two guys fuck fuck me.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh yeah, sorry, Chili. I just thought you were so busy. i thought were so busy trying to shame me. i was just trying to move on because I'm sweating. I'm sweating. I've been under the floodlights from you. The police interrogation, you dick.
Chilly: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: yeah
Ioannis Hansen: Anyway, go ahead.
Chilly: Yeah, man.
Ioannis Hansen: Who you got?
Sully Shaheed: at in the fucking final.
Ioannis Hansen: we
Chilly: All
Chilly: right. Uh, of course I'm going to pick the team that I coach.
Ioannis Hansen: whom
Chilly: Um, if you guys don't make the final, i'm not going to disown you like snowy. I'm not going to be a disappointed parent, like snowy. Um, or Trey.
Ioannis Hansen: Or Trey. Remember Trey. If they don't win, he'll be very disappointed last year.
Chilly: Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, they that's why they had to move up the B so he wouldn't be disappointed. um
Sully Shaheed: but
Chilly: So no finals. I am going with a Cleveland, Texas final. ah I will have Michigan to me is in third. And then my two wildcard teams will either be, will be one of the Cleveland teams and one of the, the, the Seattle team with Owen. Cause I'm just, again, man, that's my father, son, brethren. All right. You know, he's, he's part of this elite group. So, um, yeah, so that's how I'm going to Everybody else was you got next year.
Sully Shaheed: You got next. You got next.
Ioannis Hansen: Well, that's that's bold. I love it. See, that's how you make predictions. We pick specific teams and push back on each other.
Chilly: Yeah. Oh,
Ioannis Hansen: and we're just like, yes, Noah, absolutely. you're you're You're insanity. I completely support and agree with it. Please let me back on your show, please.
Sully Shaheed: Poor Noah.
Ioannis Hansen: I want to play A with you someday. Oh, please.
Sully Shaheed: Poor Noah.
Ioannis Hansen: Noah Aaron is maybe the most beloved man in this sport. And he knows. I'm glad this is video because he can see our faces. I can't even keep a straight face through this shit. Noah, you're freaking amazing. And the whole point of this is to make people laugh and have a good time. And we'll talk to you on Sunday, and we'll have a really good time. And you can take as many swipes as you want, and I'll roll with them punches. I love him to pieces, but I curse his name until I can vindicate myself. And you will too, Sully. I believe in us.
Sully Shaheed: That's if he remembers to actually show up to the podcast.
Ioannis Hansen: If he does, if he does, if he does.
Sully Shaheed: That's if he remembers.
Ioannis Hansen: We'll have to wait and see.
Chilly: it's so i mean So your rankings can give me and Sully a little...
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: Can you give us a base?
Ioannis Hansen: Well, here's the thing.
Chilly: Can give us base?
Ioannis Hansen: I thought you guys were doing, I thought you guys were doing this too. So I was like, well, I want to get some other names in the mix so we don't just say the same names every time. So I made a list with no C champions.
Ioannis Hansen: Like all the B guys are off of this. Serlin's not on it. Gus and Sean and Vaughn.
Chilly: That's okay. they suck They suck anyway. That's why they're back in tea.
Ioannis Hansen: Sure. Cool.
Sully Shaheed: Ha ha ha ha
Ioannis Hansen: that's I'll let you say that. But if you are a B player, you're not on my C top 10. There it is. We hit the soundboard.
Chilly: victim
Ioannis Hansen: Love it. Um, the other thing I didn't do is I didn't rank any of my guys because I'm Greek. I know the story in the Iliad. When you pick the fairest amongst a bunch of people that can take it out on you later, it's not going to fucking happen. So I want all of my guys to know that they would have been one through four and you, yes, you would have been first. And you know who I'm talking about. It's you.
Ioannis Hansen: All the other guys are nowhere near as good as you anyway. so So let's do it.
Sully Shaheed: Bye.
Ioannis Hansen: Let's knock it out quick. Because not stirring up shit on my own team. Thank you very much. I know what you said about Mooney. He heard it too. You animals. How dare you?
Chilly: and
Ioannis Hansen: I respect him. You should too. Anyway, number 10. I feel like number 10 should be a spot for the people who are coming up from D to prove themselves. Because there's a lot of people who are going to evaluate and establish themselves as proper C players. um Sometimes it doesn't take long. And so I felt like I had to pick one. And there's guys you like this. I mentioned Kyle Vaughn is really good. Peck has got his quirks personality and sartorially, but um he's a good player. I like what he does. um James Reed is a very talented guy. But every time I was talking about how I thought McCurdy's team was the likeliest to rise above, James re was like, but I've got Owen Gill.
Ioannis Hansen: I've got Owen Gill. So I'm going to take James Reed's advice. He seems to think Owen Gill is the man that's going to carry him to success. And I'm going make Owen Gill my number 10. Hadn't proved it in C yet, but I feel like somebody who's got to prove it deserves that spot.
Ioannis Hansen: And I'm giving it to Owen Gill. All right.
Chilly: I mean, we'll see we'll see if he can be like his dad and carry a lot of marginal players to championships.
Ioannis Hansen: I didn't call James Reed that, but I heard you say something like that. And so it's your show. I wouldn't dare object. It's not my place.
Chilly: um' not go Listen, this is one of those times where going honest with you. Who the fuck is James Reed?
Ioannis Hansen: fuck is James Reed he's a great dude he won D and he's a regular on our Sunday nights and he's uh fanatical about this sport like he's really throwing himself into it he's really a talented guy so um edit out the part where I said yeah yeah edit out to all the shit I said but tonight you'll see yeah so yeah like say cut out all no
Chilly: Cool.
Chilly: Awesome. Awesome. i' ah When I see him on the court, I'll tell him raise his hand. Oh, okay. when i see him on the corrid i tell him to raise his hand oh
Sully Shaheed: Well, my i have the tables have turned because it's Owen's job to carry marginal players. Now it's Raphael's job to carry marginal James Gill.
Sully Shaheed: I'm just saying.
Ioannis Hansen: Oh, wow. All right. Let's move along. So number nine spot in honor of this show. Sully, I know you love to rank yourself ninth.
Ioannis Hansen: I wouldn't dare undermine your traditions.
Chilly: Thank you.
Ioannis Hansen: So I put you at ninth.
Sully Shaheed: It's my favorite number.
Ioannis Hansen: Yep. There you go.
Sully Shaheed: No, it's...
Ioannis Hansen: was like, how, how can I argue with you to not make you nine in the C division?
Sully Shaheed: it
Ioannis Hansen: That's where you, that's your home.
Sully Shaheed: Listen, and it's so funny at this point because I've made it a bit.
Ioannis Hansen: You've chosen for yourself. I put you there.
Sully Shaheed: No matter how good I get at the game, no matter what division I end up playing in, I will always be nine.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Chilly: yeah
Sully Shaheed: So, I mean, um i I stuck myself at that point, which is totally fine with me.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: All right. Well, I will admit that you do belong on this list, and I am doing a bit of a bit. And part of that bit is my number eight, who I believe is a very talented guy, but I had to put him over you. It is Jim Sullivan, and I like his game a lot. I feel like the goalies don't get as much respect, but the man can shoot too. He's a defensively focused guy when I've played against him. I love Jim, the weatherman. You guys had him as a dark horse. Here's the thing, though.
Ioannis Hansen: What I will say is this. Am I saying that the people who get upset at your rankings later should point out to you that you were only the second best C-Division Cleveland Sully on the rankings on your own podcast.
Ioannis Hansen: I'm not saying that they should do that, but I will say that now they can.
Chilly: with
Sully Shaheed: Listen, even Jim's going to come up to me like, brother, that's not even accurate.
Ioannis Hansen: Congratulations, Jim Sullivan, number eight.
Chilly: Awesome. Awesome.
Sully Shaheed: Not even close to being accurate.
Chilly: ah Dude, I...
Chilly: God, I can't wait to use that as fuel later. Be like, hey, remember when Hanson said that Jim was better than you?
Sully Shaheed: Oh, i'm um um I'm ecstatic.
Chilly: God.
Ioannis Hansen: So I think you realize, Buselli, that I'm doing a bit with you.
Sully Shaheed: I'm ecstatic.
Ioannis Hansen: You absolutely are one of the best players in this division.
Chilly: okay
Sully Shaheed: I'm stuck.
Ioannis Hansen: But I put you where I did for fun.
Sully Shaheed: I'm stuck. as a good The nine is for the bit, boys.
Ioannis Hansen: and i put There you go. There you go.
Chilly: But unrelated note, Jim Sullivan has always been 100% on the weather.
Ioannis Hansen: So Sullivan, then Sully. That's good.
Chilly: When i've needed to know what what I've needed to know what it's doing, where the hell I'm at, he's been spot on.
Ioannis Hansen: He knows what he's talking about.
Ioannis Hansen: All right.
Sully Shaheed: The drizzle.
Chilly: Send a text. The drizzle.
Ioannis Hansen: Number seven. Number seven from Seattle, Rebecca Morris. She had a really good nationals last year. Like say, a lot of people spen in the Seattle community think that she was the the star of their team last year. i will go ahead and tease that she is not the highest ranked Seattle player from last year on my list, but she is an exceptional one, and I think that she belongs on here when you when you obviously erase the top four of my guys. But – Putting that aside, talented young lady. And we'll see what her game's turned into here. She's come to a couple invites. I'm looking forward to seeing what she does here now because I feel like she's going to have to be the hero on her team this year, undisputably, for them to succeed. And so let's see how she does. I think she's got the talent to do it. Number six, unless you guys want to talk about Rebecca. i don't know that you know her very well, Chili.
Ioannis Hansen: Moving it on. All right.
Chilly: ah
Ioannis Hansen: Number six. Go ahead. Go bud.
Chilly: I've seen her. I've seen I've seen her play. She's very, very good player. High potential.
Ioannis Hansen: No.
Sully Shaheed: High ceiling.
Ioannis Hansen: number six Number six, Kelsey Carter.
Sully Shaheed: High ceiling.
Ioannis Hansen: I feel like all of us in Texas felt like Minnesota did when Brady found his way to us. It's like, well, shit, we didn't want you to be a free agent in the first place, but then you're going to go to Michigan of all places. So I have wanted to play with Kelsey more times than I've gotten to.
Ioannis Hansen: ah We wanted her to sub in on our 20AT team because we lost guys late, and she always said, like, I don't want to be a competitive whirly ball player. don't be a competitive whirly ball player. Well, here she is now, and she's very competitive. But like we would have loved to add her in 2018. And after the fact, she was like, I would have played with you guys. i was like, well, son of a bitch. I wish you'd have said that, you know, six months ago. So I wanted to play with her in 2018. Didn't happen. Wanted to play with her in 2023. Geography took that off the table, which is why first world problems came together in the first place. 2024 was a similar situation where like there was ah six players for five spots. And so they pulled Austin up and she got to play with me. And that was awesome.
Ioannis Hansen: um Good team. The piece that didn't quite fit with all five of us on that team, but it wasn't anything where she played poorly. She's great. Um, she, uh, wasn't there last year because, you know, baby, but, um, she was the, like on the cut line because we're local. We usually have the local people play down when it's a cut line situation with travelers at our invites. And she played in the bottom division and fricking bossed it. And so she's great.
Ioannis Hansen: Um, Michigan's gonna have a really good time with her very talented woman and, um, just, you know, doesn't need to win the banner this year. She's young. She's got, she's got time. You know, I'm just saying, Kelsey, take take it easy. Um, you guys have thoughts on Kelsey?
Ioannis Hansen: good
Chilly: great player
Ioannis Hansen: All right. Is that what we're saying? for
Sully Shaheed: So the baby sounds like an excuse. I mean, you can play pregnant. We've seen people play pregnant.
Ioannis Hansen: I really think you shouldn't. It's on all the posters. This is not play if you're pregnant. Pregnant with a heart condition. Get right out there. Oh, you got you got a fused spine?
Sully Shaheed: Rules.
Ioannis Hansen: Bad neck? Get out there. Have fun. Number five, John McCurdy.
Sully Shaheed: Rules.
Ioannis Hansen: McCurdy, I liked his game a lot. Like I said, I think there's not a whole lot of air gap between him and Rebecca. i just I kind of liked him a little bit better in the games they played against us, which is going to be the story of my number one player and but as well. But McCurdy...
Ioannis Hansen: um Good dude, man. Like, I don't i don't have anything specific to call about his game, but i i just I thought he switched well. I thought he shot well. I thought he had good code awareness. I'm curious see how he's going to do outside of the Seattle performance enhancing vehicles for Seattle players. But we'll see what he can do. And I i believe in him. I believe in you, John.
Ioannis Hansen: I believe in you as a dark horse, but not to beat me. So let's not do that. ah Number four... Eric Distad. um And it pains me to say nice things about Minnesota since they kind of took the banner from us last year. So while I'm praising Eric, who like i said, I think he's like the best teammate Brady's had and ah you know like ah can can can boss the game a little bit when he needs to. Because like Minnesota, like those guys were very switchable. I know Luke kind of gets the lead billing.
Ioannis Hansen: um john wieterlin has had games where he's been the guy that took care of it for him uh chris has had some where he's been the guy and i think eric is just like that like he's in that mix where like he can do it when you need it from him and i like him a lot it pains me to say so many nice things so quit calling him eric and just refer to him as luke's brother to kind of like minimize and disrespect him a little bit so number four luke's brother okay
Sully Shaheed: ah Hell yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: Number three, Keegan Gore. um Great outside shot. He's another one of those guys where it's like, we need to get him out of the division. Like I think I told you this last year, Sully, like if it doesn't happen, we need to freaking all Voltron together and just graduate already and get there, get our banner.
Ioannis Hansen: We'll cut it into five pieces. We'll all take it home to our state, our states, and we'll move on and start playing some B together maybe if we wanted to. But I mean, Keegan's great.
Sully Shaheed: we wanted to.
Ioannis Hansen: We don't, we don't need to sing Keegan's praises. um He'll be fine. He knows what he's doing. And I got him number three. Number two is Brady, and this is because I got to play with him last year, and I saw all the little things he does that you don't even appreciate when he's having to be the lead dog on his own team. Phenomenal teammate. You need him to shoot. He can shoot. He's got exceptional defensive presence for a guy. Like, if Brady was my height, Brady would be knocking on the door of A already.
Ioannis Hansen: He's really, really all over.
Chilly: you can You could be small get blocks.
Ioannis Hansen: ahead. I'm not saying that, like, he's, like, diminutive, but I'm saying, like, the only reason I have presence in this game, given that I can't shoot for shit, is because I have Inspector Gadget arms, okay?
Sully Shaheed: Mm-hmm.
Chilly: I've...
Ioannis Hansen: And I'm tall. If it weren't for that, like, I would just be, you know, I'd be a just a happy sunshine fun time guy. They'd be putting me wherever. Like, yeah, just come up. We'll find a spot for you. um But like, anyway, I really, really love playing with Brady. I'm disappointed for him that a complete Minnesota team came together and rose through the ranks that he wasn't a part of because it sucks to be a guy who loves the game as much as he does and see other people have the success that you've been working your ass off to get.
Ioannis Hansen: But um I wish I could Yeah, you know what I mean.
Sully Shaheed: I don't know what that feels like.
Ioannis Hansen: it's well we we Obviously, we could not relate, you and I.
Chilly: but
Ioannis Hansen: But like, no, Brady...
Sully Shaheed: idea. No idea. no idea
Ioannis Hansen: I wish he could have won a banner with us last year. I hope he doesn't win one this year, but I think this is his best shot, um obviously outside of us carrying him along with us. And then here's one one that's probably going to be controversial. And I think this might be similar to like, if you're an Oklahoma City Thunder fan and all you watch is OKC games, you think PJ Washington is like an MVP candidate, right?
Ioannis Hansen: But my number one guy in the division is Jason Tilly. And some of you guys may not even know who that is.
Sully Shaheed: Ah!
Ioannis Hansen: Jason Tilly absolutely fucking murders us. He's only played a couple of years. I think his legs are made of paper mache, if I understand right. He keeps tearing shit in his knees, and he's missed nationals because of it.
Ioannis Hansen: This guy is a phenomenal shot. He's great on the inside. He doesn't have Luke's height, but he can still get his shot off. He knows his place on the floor and how to get to it. He's highly disruptive. He and Keegan had this inside-outside thing going last year. They're the only team, I think, that swept us in seeding, and they were very mid-tier, but they just had our number. and Like i say, maybe Tilly just plays his absolute best whirly ball against me, but he was a monster, and I tip my hat to him. So go ahead and rip that choice if you want. I admit it is very subjective. There you go. Jason Tilly, number one.
Ioannis Hansen: Maybe we can stir some shit up in Michigan, too.
Chilly: It's a good choice. Jason's solid. ja Jason's a good player. ain't going to argue that.
Sully Shaheed: I appreciate the time you took to curate this list because like you said, we, we do post nationals, top tens and um you know, it's a, it's a prove it type of type of thing because like, people could ascend through, but you show the potential, um, of what we should expect for that division.
Ioannis Hansen: you go.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: I think the breakdown and analysis was phenomenal. Um, I think that any C player that's participating this year, even the B and a guys, you know, obviously they're all going to listen.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: However, um, our guests on, uh, the B and a breakdown have a lot to live up to, uh, cause that was very thought out. Well, well, well done.
Ioannis Hansen: Thank you.
Sully Shaheed: Well done. And, um,
Ioannis Hansen: I've set a so set a standard. I'm just glad somebody here tonight had the courage to make predictions.
Sully Shaheed: Set the standard. Yeah, yeah, we and
Ioannis Hansen: I'm sorry it wasn't you guys, but I'm glad someone did.
Ioannis Hansen: Too nice. How's that for too nice, you dicks? Anyway. good
Sully Shaheed: yeah. Could have sworn Chile had to beat that out of you that you think that Michigan team is going to beat mine, which is freaking hilarious.
Ioannis Hansen: You saw how razor thin the margin is. Come on now. Chili, don't tear us apart. Sully and I, we're united and we're united in outrage.
Chilly: doesn't matter if by an inch or a mile, win is a win.
Sully Shaheed: By an inch or a mile, oh baby.
Ioannis Hansen: you know
Sully Shaheed: That's right.
Ioannis Hansen: Can we please focus on the true enemy, Noah Aaron, and bring us all back together? Anyway, what else do we want to do tonight, man? You want to talk about our side bet? Are you willing to accept my terms? Shall we lay that out?
Sully Shaheed: You know what? Yeah, let's take a quick minute to lay that out and then we'll wrap it up and get on out of here.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: I think the two hour mark is great for a podcast.
Ioannis Hansen: right. Yeah, we need to... We need to get there. All right. So last year I had a side bet with Doherty where Doherty, if I won the banner, Doherty had to wear a Johnny Buckets t-shirt. I said he'd be the only guy I'd ever be happy to see wearing one of those stupid shirts. He had to wear a Johnny Buckets t-shirt on his streams for an entire year, which there have been none of. But, you know, obviously Matt's going through what he's going through. I won't make any jokes about that. They have a very good reason to not be doing streams. But.
Ioannis Hansen: So he wouldn't have had to pay off his bet anyway. But if he won, I would have had to do a testimonial um singing the praises of the Dan Doherty Scoop Company, which all jokes aside, he's fixing my signature silver scoop right now. So thank you very much, Dan. Give it your best effort.
Ioannis Hansen: Make sure Sarah spot checks your work. So we had that side bet last year, and then womp womp, Minnesota won.
Chilly: Huh?
Ioannis Hansen: Neither of us won. So nobody had to pay off. And so in that spirit, I have a side bet for you, as I feel like you and I, like we said, ah are two of the three leading candidates for champions of this year.
Ioannis Hansen: And since you are hosting the invitationals in Cleveland in September, my proposal is this. One of us, hopefully, will finally ascend to the B division.
Ioannis Hansen: And the other, sadly, because only one banner gets distributed, will have to spend at least one more year in the kiddie pool. So my proposal is, if one of us wins the banner, whoever doesn't at the Cleveland Invitational for the first day has to wear floaties on their arms.
Ioannis Hansen: Start to finish. Now, if it's if it's impossible to like move your hands in those stupid things, you don't have to wear them during the games. but while you're walking around, glad-handing the people, meeting your adoring fans, enjoying a beverage, you're to have to drink that shit like this because you're floaties on your arms. Or I might. It could happen. It's possible. I'm not dismissing the possibility. So, pool floaties for one full day, the opening day of invites. Because I don't want to screw up anybody's tournament ruin it for teammates either.
Ioannis Hansen: What say you, sir? Do you have the courage to risk wearing pool floaties if it's not your banner year, but it does happen to be mine?
Sully Shaheed: Hey, listen, um first of all, we need to find floaties big enough for, ah you know, I'm packing heat over here.
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah, for them guns. like You can wear them like bracelets.
Sully Shaheed: OK, let's.
Ioannis Hansen: It's the thought that counts.
Sully Shaheed: It is the thought that counts. um Yes, of course. I mean, I'm down for any side bet that we are are willing to propose to one another and I will be happy to do it.
Ioannis Hansen: All right. All right.
Sully Shaheed: um
Ioannis Hansen: Cool.
Sully Shaheed: you know, like I said, I think it's going to be a great year for, you know, all the teams involved um favorites or not. And I think it's ah a good, a good sidebar to have with somebody, especially as competitive as, you know, you guys are and Michigan, same thing, Seattle, you know, coming up Minnesota, like all those guys and girls are just going to,
Sully Shaheed: hey we're gonna have a blast and it's gonna be competitive as all shit so you know i think we i think we have the most interesting division um and when we get to the b breakdown we'll talk about how there's the most boring division um
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah, that'll take you 15 minutes. What the hell are you even going do for the rest of your time?
Sully Shaheed: yeah but we're so this podcast will be about two hours that b one is probably going to be about 30 minutes have a mini so yeah
Ioannis Hansen: Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: It's going to be like a bluey mini show.
Chilly: but
Ioannis Hansen: It should be done.
Sully Shaheed: You got kids. You get it. You get it.
Ioannis Hansen: you're damn right um should we get keegan in on this can we make this a three-way bet so we got two sad sons of bitches walking around in pool floaties in cleveland can we call them out keegan where's the where's my fucking camera keegan we're calling you out get in on this pool floaties for whoever doesn't win
Sully Shaheed: I'm sure.
Sully Shaheed: I'm sure. keith I am very sure Keegan will be down. Very sure.
Ioannis Hansen: I bet he will. All right, cool. So now there's stakes for for the three. We've called ourselves three favorites. There's stakes for all of us. And God help us. What if none of us wins? Do we all wear the fucking floaties or we just beat up whoever did and take their banner?
Chilly: I think you all wear floaties.
Ioannis Hansen: good
Chilly: I think you all...
Ioannis Hansen: Okay, we all wear floaties. All right, that's it.
Sully Shaheed: It's all of us
Chilly: ah you
Ioannis Hansen: That's stakes.
Chilly: I think you all...
Ioannis Hansen: Whoever doesn't win a banner wears floaties.
Chilly: think you all either wear floaties or i will bring a kiddie pool to the invite and all three of you gotta take a pick in the kiddie pool.
Ioannis Hansen: I think we should do both. Like we'll all wear the floaties and then we'll all pose for a picture in the kiddie pool. Me, Keegan and Sully. Now that shit ain't going to happen.
Chilly: So... because
Ioannis Hansen: It's going to be two of the three, not all three. I want it to be me, but if it's not, at least there'll be somebody in there with me, I guess. But that's a good bit. Keegan, you better say yes. Don't be a coward anyway.
Chilly: The kiddie pool is only if none of you win.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay. If all three of us.
Chilly: So, but if if it's one of you guys in there against a Seattle team, the other two better be cheering for the other guy.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Ioannis Hansen: Just pounding the glass.
Chilly: Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: right
Ioannis Hansen: Get your ass in the kiddie pool with me and me and the other one. ah ah
Sully Shaheed: Well, like you said, according to Noah, it will be a Seattle team. So, I mean, I guess we' i guess we'll fucking see. I guess we'll see. ah Closing thoughts.
Chilly: It's going to be of gonna be a real fun division, 13 teams.
Sully Shaheed: Chill. Closing thoughts for us, man.
Chilly: I think ah i know like these are C division numbers from what I remember playing in 10 years ago. um man it's is it's it's a long tournament.
Chilly: So um getting to number one.
Sully Shaheed: Hey, Chili.
Chilly: What up?
Sully Shaheed: Hey, Chili, remember that 1C banner we should have won, but we got forced to be? Remember that?
Chilly: Yeah, yeah, because, ah you know, somebody, you know, RIP, but you know, his girlfriend or who he thought was his girlfriend had to win that year.
Sully Shaheed: Remember that?
Sully Shaheed: Had to.
Chilly: So we weren't allowed.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah.
Chilly: We weren't we weren't allowed to play. c So that
Sully Shaheed: Was Hanson around during that time?
Ioannis Hansen: I started in 2018 and this had to have been before my time because I don't recognize this story.
Chilly: that was 20.
Chilly: That was 2014.
Sully Shaheed: Yeah.
Ioannis Hansen: Okay.
Sully Shaheed: So literally, i should have had this banner 12 years ago, Hanson. We shouldn't even be having this conversation.
Chilly: but more
Ioannis Hansen: I should have been in the Nationals mix in 2004, but Juan Flores and Mario were intimidated by what Randy Booth and I brought to a beginner league, and they did not tell us that this was even a thing that was going on.
Ioannis Hansen: It took me 12 more fucking years to find out that this was a thing that happened.
Chilly: but
Ioannis Hansen: They held me down. Texas holds me down. That's I'm glad to be here. Get my voice out in the world.
Sully Shaheed: Texas holds me down.
Chilly: um and then And then ah when we won seed 10 years ago, you you what you knocked Kelsey for, you didn't show up to Nationals that year because you were being an adult and having a child.
Chilly: So you can blame your – was that your firstborn that cost you?
Sully Shaheed: Yep.
Sully Shaheed: that was That was Miss Aaliyah. Yeah, that cost me.
Ioannis Hansen: Was that 2016?
Chilly: Shame.
Ioannis Hansen: We
Chilly: Yeah. Yeah.
Sully Shaheed: Yep, that's when Aaliyah was born.
Ioannis Hansen: we missed 20. My kid was born in the week of nationals in 2016, or that would have been our first year playing D when we hosted here in Texas. So our kids must be like almost the exact same age.
Chilly: hey
Ioannis Hansen: Maybe they can play together in a in a couple of years. Cause I'm trying to get my daughter. She got a little pink scoop. She wants to play so bad. I said, the next time we host, you're going to be on a team. Doesn't matter if you're 12 years old, we'll make it happen.
Chilly: a man the last time the last the last the last times uh you know the kids were at the center man they were on the other court with the anthony you know put ball in bucket
Sully Shaheed: Yeah. Hell yeah.
Sully Shaheed: Yep. Yep.
Ioannis Hansen: That's what we got to do.
Sully Shaheed: Yep.
Ioannis Hansen: If this doesn't work out this year, you and i are going to coach the girls. We're going to get waivers for D. It's going to be you, me, and a bunch of like tween age girls. We're going get the D banner first. Clint, I want, I wanted that a pre-approved waiver for me and so for the children, not for us, for the children.
Chilly: I'll vote it.
Ioannis Hansen: Anyway,
Chilly: It's good with me.
Sully Shaheed: How many kids you got?
Chilly: In.
Ioannis Hansen: I got two, but only one is six. She's got years to go, but the oldest is she's kind of on the tall side and she's about to turn 10. So she's easy.
Sully Shaheed: Mine is kind of on the tall side and about to turn 10.
Chilly: She is.
Sully Shaheed: So yeah, Aaliyah is huge.
Ioannis Hansen: There you go <unk> She's...
Sully Shaheed: So yeah, if you want to if we want to get our girls in the game, Oh, guess what?
Ioannis Hansen: Make it happen.
Sully Shaheed: Guess what? Make it happen. Make it happen.
Ioannis Hansen: We'll make it happen.
Sully Shaheed: ah Buckets closing thoughts.
Ioannis Hansen: All right. Man, I talked a lot, so I'll just keep it real quick. I had a great time. I told you when you asked me to do this, I was like, you you need to get some voices out here that people haven't heard. But then Noah forced our hand. You know, there was no alternative. we had to we had this We had to clap back, you know, as the kids say. But I had a really, really good time. I love what you guys do. I'm glad to be a part of it. And um I'm looking forward to the other ones you do.
Ioannis Hansen: And thanks again for having me as a guest. i hope I hope I lived up to the billing and I hope I made it a fun time.
Sully Shaheed: It was an honor and a pleasure to speak with you. ah And like I said, keep doing your thing on Sundays. We definitely appreciate your time. This has been the C division breakdown. Join us next time when we do B division with a special guest. And of course, a division with a special guest because.
Sully Shaheed: Apparently, the people love the podcast, so we got to stay in these streets. I thought it was going to be a couple weeks before I put out a new one with my new setup. it Seattle came out with theirs. That means we got to clap back and get back on these streets.
Sully Shaheed: So...
Ioannis Hansen: Then you got to do unlimited and odds. So you got three more to go, my man. There you go.
Sully Shaheed: Fucking unlimited. Nah, Chili and I a Hall of Fame discussion that we need to spend at least 45 minutes on Like...
Ioannis Hansen: Got a lot.
Ioannis Hansen: I loved it when you dropped that one right when everybody was getting ready to travel. That was awesome. I know a lot of people listen to that in the car or on the plane. I hope you'll do it again if you can make it work, if the timing's okay. Sorry. I know you're trying to hit the two-hour mark, so I'm going to shut up now.
Sully Shaheed: Hey, we got it right in at 18 seconds before the two-hour mark. So for John Buckets Hanson, this Chili. Hola. Represent A and C, respectively. This has been your boy, the ninth-best goalie in Worldly Ball, Sully Ali Shahid. We will see you on the B Breakdown next time. This has been What in the World, East Edition.
Sully Shaheed: We are out. Peace.
