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157 - The Crazies (2010)
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"Don’t ask me why I can’t leave without my wife and I won’t ask you why you can."
The final episode of our Romero Remakes Spooky-thon is finally here and we’re digging into Breck Eisner’s 2010 remake of The Crazies! We talk about the power of the original film, Stephen’s issues with certain changes made for the update, our respective love of Billy Ocean and Meat Loaf, and why Tucker thinks this film is a perfect remake.
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Introduction and Hosts Banter
00:00:27
Speaker
now please don't kill me mr ghostface i want to be in the sequel we all go a little mad sometimes here at the disenfranchised podcast where that podcast all about those franchises of one those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film i am your host stephen fox where they going off the rails on a crazy train and i am joined
00:00:49
Speaker
as usual, by my co host, you might know him by his given name, but we all know him as codename Trixie. It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker. Hi, Steven. How's it going? It goes, man. How are you doing tonight? Uh, you know, I'm okay.
00:01:10
Speaker
I'm really excited to talk about this movie, Stephen. I really am. And we should also notice that our friend Brett has not been feeling himself since he drank the water. We wish him a speedy recovery and many happy returns. But until. Yeah, he's real close to the crick. He is weird. So like we're far from the crick. We are. We're pretty far from the crick. So hasn't gotten us yet. What what what hasn't gotten to us, Tucker?
00:01:35
Speaker
Oh, what? Straight up what? What hasn't gotten to us, Codename Trixie? And we are the disenfranchised podcast. So, yeah, we are here. It's the last week of October. It is the last episode of October. It is our last episode of our 2023 spooky time, which is why we are definitely feeling and missing the presence of Brett this week.
October's Theme: Romero Remakes
00:02:02
Speaker
But we are this whole month, we've been talking about Romero remakes that were meant to kick off franchises, but didn't. And I think we've come to the last one. And it's the only one that doesn't have zombies in it weirdly. Tucker, what movie are we talking about today? We're talking about the crazies or as they say in Germany,
00:02:28
Speaker
Das crazies. Los crazies in Español.
Review: The Crazies (2010 Remake)
00:02:33
Speaker
Less crazies in French. Yes. And in Canada, they say de crazies, eh? Damn it, you took it. I was about to do that.
00:02:46
Speaker
Yes, we're talking about the 2010 remake of The Crazies, directed by Breck Eisner, returning to the to the returning to the podcast. Writers Scott Kosar and Ray Wright and star. What did he do that you already covered? The Last Witch Hunter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish that had a better script. He also directed future episode of this podcast, Sahara.
00:03:13
Speaker
So, yeah, never had any interest in that. That'll be interesting to watch. He's he's directed three feature films and they are all able to be covered on this podcast, which is sweet and starring Rada Mitchell, Timothy Oliphant, also returning to the show. Daniel Panabaker, much better cast this time around. Also returned to the show. Daniel Panabaker, Joe Anderson, Kristi Lynn Smith, Brett Rickaby, Preston Bailey.
00:03:42
Speaker
John Aylward, I love that guy and many others. Tucker, what a cast. What a picture. Uh, yeah, I really, really like this movie. And while we're talking about the cast again.
00:03:56
Speaker
Really quickly, we should mention that Lynn Lowry from the original is the lady on the bike. She is the lady singing the haunting song, riding through the center of town on a bicycle. And she's dressed up like a little child and singing a very haunting song, but she is a grown ass woman.
00:04:15
Speaker
And she's also the reason that I went on a six and a half hour rabbit hole of Cat People movies this last week. If you're interested in that, check out the Patreon. We talked all about it. Yeah, we're that's coming out this Sunday. So head on over to Patreon dot com slash disenfranch pod to get the latest episode of what are we watching when it drops? Because she's in everything.
00:04:41
Speaker
Apparently, yeah, she's been in a lot of everything. So, yeah, I really like this movie and I really like the cast, too. Yeah, I really like. I think I mean, obviously. Timothy Oliphant and Rada Mitchell. I really like their chemistry and they they really stand out as the leads, but I really like Joe Anderson as Russell because I really like how kind of.
00:05:07
Speaker
simple, that character appears, but how complicated he becomes. And I really appreciate his performance of that character. I don't think I don't think anybody else could have done it that way. Like, I don't want anybody else to play that role ever. That's fair, because I thought he was I thought he was that good.
00:05:26
Speaker
Right on. Like I was watching with my partner. My partner did not care for this movie. Really? But she was like, yeah, Timothy Oliphant. Like she's like, everyone seems wooden, like really wooden. I was like, wait, you were calling a Timothy Oliphant performance wooden? How dare you? The audacity. She's like, no, I'm like, no, he everything he does with the exception of maybe Santa Clarita diet is very wooden.
00:05:50
Speaker
That's kind of his thing, you know? And but here's the thing. The man I've not seen justified to be fair. I have not seen justified. So I can't speak authoritatively on that. But like Deadwood wouldn't hit man, wouldn't. And I think I said this. I do fairly wouldn't. Yeah.
00:06:10
Speaker
What I like, I think Santa Clarita Diet might be one of the best things he's ever done, and I think I said this on the Hitman episode, but get Timothy Olyphant in some comedy. Like, that dude needs to be doing comedy. And it's a shame that comedy doesn't happen anymore. That's why you need to check out Fargo season four, Steven. Is he in it? Because Timothy Olyphant is in it. And though it's not a comedy, his character is very comedic.
00:06:40
Speaker
And I like that. I love that mode for him. And I think he does really well in that show. He's like a Texas Ranger. That's very religious. And it's really, really funny. And he just, he nails it. Then he plays it straight. It's not funny. Cause he's like, like, no, it's not clown shoes. He's like playing it straight. And that's why it's funny.
00:07:00
Speaker
No, and I mean, humor is found in honesty. So if you can be very true to something and you
Hollywood Anecdotes and Soundtrack Talk
00:07:05
Speaker
can find the humor in it fairly easily. That's the crazy thing, I believe, is an amateur actor. But like I saw there's a clip of him on Conan.
00:07:15
Speaker
where he gives his quote, masterclass on screen versus stage acting. And because Conan asked him what the difference is. And he's like, I think we could help people. Can you help me out? Can you come around the desk here? And so Conan comes around the desk and gets down, like, scratches down to his level. And he goes, now, see, when it's film, he goes, I want you to pull it and tells the camera guy, I want you to pull in close, like, right here.
00:07:36
Speaker
and when I tell you pull out and they just like pull back and he goes okay so and he's like talking to Conan he's like it's all right here like everything on on screen on camera on tv it's all right here it's all in the face and and what's what's what's happening outside the frame it doesn't matter but it's very intense and i'm saying stay with me stay with me stay with me i'm staying with you i'm staying with you and you hear the audience like starting to laugh
00:08:00
Speaker
He's like, stay with me. I'm talking to you and I'm really intense right now. He goes in to pull back and he pulls back in his pants or at his ankles and he has just completely dropped trowel. And he goes, and now it's completely different scene because in theater you see all of it. Like everything, everything is up for grabs, whereas in film it doesn't, which is why Peter Cushing wore fucking slippers on the Death Star in Star Wars because the boots were uncomfortable. So Marlon Brando famously pantsless through most of his career.
00:08:30
Speaker
yeah seriously like that's a real thing and not just last tango in paris like all the movies yeah no like just because your boy just you know he just got uncomfortable sit around if you can sit around your boxes at work
00:08:44
Speaker
More power to you. One of my favorite simultaneously favorite and least favorite Marlon Brando stories is the fact that he refused to on the movie The Game, which is I think one of his last films, if not his final film, he refused to listen to any of the score. The score. That is what I mean. Sorry, I said the game fucked up with the game, boy. The score. No, I do mean. There you go. With Eddie Norton. Yeah.
00:09:10
Speaker
Yeah, and and Bobby D, he refused to take any direction from Frank Oz because he refused to take direction from Miss Piggy from Muppet. Yeah, from Miss Piggy. He goes, I won't. He goes, I won't take direction from Miss Piggy. So Frank had to give all of his all of his direction to De Niro, who would then give it to Brando. Like he had to go through the other actors on on set. Like it's insane, insane.
00:09:35
Speaker
He should have been a drummer. He's so brilliant, but such an asshole. Mm hmm. Every good drummer I've ever met. Such an asshole. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, that's not entirely been my experience, but I know I know a couple of asshole drummers, so.
00:09:57
Speaker
I'm not disparaging all drummers. I am well aware that not all drummers are assholes. There are exceptions to every overwhelming number of drummers that I've met, especially the good ones. Mm hmm. It's like guys named Josh. Like not everyone named Josh is an asshole, but a lot of them are. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's just how it goes. Yeah. It's OK, Josh. We like you. We. Yeah. You're you're you're one of the good ones, Josh. It's OK.
00:10:31
Speaker
Anyway, we are here to talk that cut that cut that. You might actually get cut. That might. It really might. It won't. Well, you would probably won't. Anyway, we are here to talk about the 2010 film, The Crazies is crazy. Wow. Yeah, just like that. Yeah, this movie is fucking wild, dude.
00:11:01
Speaker
It's really good. Do you want to just get the plot out of the way so we can just dig into this bitch? Well, we should talk about our histories with this film. Should be pretty short for both of us. I just watched it for the first time today. You go.
00:11:15
Speaker
Well, the crazies, the original one I saw that one for the first time yesterday. Go. I probably saw that in my early 20s. That was when Anchor Bay was really digging deep and putting out DVDs of shit that you hadn't been able to get a hold of for years. God bless Anchor Bay. And the crazies was one of those things.
00:11:36
Speaker
And so I got that and I watched it. I thought it was phenomenal. Um, and I've been a fan of it ever since. It's not something that I watch often. I'd say it's in the every five years category, you know, more or less, sometimes it'll be less, sometimes it'll be more of an average of five years between watches. Um, just because it is so, it's such an upsetting film. Like that movie has always upset me and the older I get.
00:12:06
Speaker
the more it upsets me, but I mean, I love it. It's such a good movie, but it's so, so upsetting because like I said, I was saying during the what are we watching? I was saying that it's such a low budget. It really helps the film because you feel more like a fly on the wall or not even documentary style like past that, like there isn't even
Romero's Influence and Creative Input
00:12:27
Speaker
a documentary. You're just somehow like witnessing this.
00:12:31
Speaker
And it's it's horrifying. It's unnerving and it's unsettling. And honestly, it makes me uncomfortable. And I love it. It and I said this during what are we watching as well, like, especially after, you know, post 2020 and, you know, looking at the government response to an actual pandemic, it really hits a lot differently.
00:12:52
Speaker
Yeah, like it's it's pretty and you know for to hear these people talking about a A virus and they're initially not sure where it comes from or what it is and like how it spreads and like kind of feeding false information and like putting people together and I mean like and then not listening to the people that are you know, supposedly the experts on the thing like it's
00:13:20
Speaker
It's really fucking harrowing. I got to say the most disturbing part about both films for me, and I'll get to my experience with the remake here in a second, is the amount of
00:13:39
Speaker
And it just seems like a side thing because it's not violent or gory or action or whatever. But they keep split, keep splitting up children from their parents. Mm hmm. And that really, really bothers me like to my core to see that happen. Just like destroys me. Well, I mean, like the first that tracks that makes sense. Oh, the dread that is there. Mm hmm.
00:14:06
Speaker
Oh, it's just insane. Like there's some of it in the original. And then when they're first rounding everybody up in the remake and that dude just snatches that toddler from that lady, I'm like, fuck no, dude, like coming to the TV with that guy like, oh, no, dude. Yeah, dude. No, it's.
00:14:27
Speaker
It's very upsetting it is it is Who like primal primal in a primal way? It's upsetting. Yeah, it's those little moments who it's not any like major moments But it's the little little things like that that make them and I would I would argue the original is
00:14:44
Speaker
leaps and bounds more disturbing than the remake, honestly. I agree. I agree. For one very obvious reason, but a lot of subtle little reasons as well. Well, I think the biggest difference is that the remake is it's just a movie. It's just a regular old movie. It's a good ass movie, but it's just a regular ass movie. It's not like this very
00:15:08
Speaker
weird experience like the original one is. It's a very unique experience. Just just watching the film is a unique experience. You don't watch movies like that. You know, not normally. Well, I mean, I was telling you like I like Romero's kind of a prophet man. Like he was he presaged a lot like that guy just kind of.
00:15:30
Speaker
knew what what it was about and like knew how to put it out there so that people could like reckon with it, even if they in very large part, they were not ready to reckon with it. But he, he put it out there and like, I don't know, fucking deal with it, dude. Like, wow, what a filmmaker.
00:15:48
Speaker
Yeah, really cool, dude. I saw the remake, which George Romero produced. The executive was executive producer on that. So he saw some cash for sure. So that was nice. Good for him. That's why I like about a lot of West Craven remakes, too, is that West Craven will executive produce them just so that, you know, he's just kind of there.
00:16:10
Speaker
And he's like, I don't know, maybe like I'm sure he consults a bit. I don't think he does. Like executive
Comparing the Original and Remake
00:16:17
Speaker
producer is classic, like in name only kind of a thing like I think it really I think it really depends. I have heard that. The who was I just talking about? Wes Craven.
00:16:38
Speaker
Yes, I have heard that on remakes of his movies, he consulted a bit like with the script and stuff, not with like Wishmaster or in that West Craven, like Dracula 2000. None of that. You can talk about that. He's just like, here's some money. Make your movie. Maybe while I'm talking like the like the the deep nightmare like movies and shit like that, like there's no way he's consulting on it. And if he is, they're not paying attention. No, no, absolutely not. I just I.
00:17:07
Speaker
I do believe I had an issue of Fangoria that came out that was advertising this when I still got Fangoria sent to me at my house. I'm a big direct edition guy. Like I don't want to fuck around. I don't want to fuck around and go like comic books. Back when I was a kid, I used to have like three or four different comic books coming in my mailbox. That's what I want for Christmas, my birthday. I'd be like, give me a fucking year subscription to ASM or like X-Men or something or what if, you know?
00:17:33
Speaker
And so that's what I would get for like Christmas and birthdays. So I'd have magazines, comic books. I'm not trying to bother my parents that every time we go to the goddamn store. Mm hmm. Like, just get me the subscription for Christmas and then we don't have to talk about it ever again. You have to take me out to get it. Like, it's just going to come to me. It'll come to the house. Right. I was very convincing. Yes. So I had like a million magazines and a million comic books coming to me when I was a kid.
00:17:58
Speaker
But I used to get fangoria and I remember the issue that this didn't come out when I was a kid, by the way. I'm just saying I started doing that when I was a kid and up until it became pretty much impossible to do that, I continued to. So I was probably getting it delivered to my house or I was buying it at the comic book shop when this came out. And I remember the article saying that Romero
00:18:21
Speaker
did consult creatively on it a bit, just kind of like they would run stuff past him kind of things. They'd be like, you know, hey, George, does this sound rad? And he'd be like, yeah, that sounds rad. Or he'd be like, nah, it doesn't sound rad. You know, like, yeah, very basic consulting kind of stuff, like right in no way guiding it artistically, but still giving his opinion. Correct. Yeah. Providing the insights when requested.
00:18:46
Speaker
And I think that's great when you're doing a remake and you can get the original director or writer or something to give you that kind of feedback to where they don't have a hand in it. But there's still kind of if you have some questions for them, you know, beyond just like I think it's perfect, giving it their blessing kind of thing like go and God bless. But actually, like actually getting their input, I think is valuable. Yeah.
00:19:08
Speaker
And I mean, I think like that's definitely a role that Romero played on the first movie we covered this month. Well, not a living bad shit. He basically co-directed that the way I hear it to hear Tom Savini tell it. He basically co-directed that.
00:19:21
Speaker
Makes sense. Like, and again, Savini feels like Savini kind of worships Romero. So it makes sense that that would be like the Savini would probably absolutely deferred a Romero on part of the anything, honestly. Savini had been with with no better way to say this up. George Romero's asked for so long that he was supposed to do the effects on the original Night of the Living Dead, but he was in Vietnam, Vietnam.
00:19:52
Speaker
Yeah, dude, he was he was out there like in the jungle listening to Fortune's son over and over on loop. It's like every time he was like, wait. How else would he have known he was? Right. I think I think whenever whenever there wasn't a helicopter going by, it was it was Buffalo Springfield for what? Oh, yeah. There's something happening here.
00:20:19
Speaker
Yes. Yes. You know, I actually get offended if there's a Vietnam scene in a movie and that song is not there or I feel like you've mentioned that recently. Like, I feel like you've mentioned that within the last couple of weeks. That's possible. But it's weird because I remember mentioning in a conversation with someone completely different. Hmm.
00:20:43
Speaker
Steven, are you my FBI agent? Are you secretly my FBI agent? God, if so, I am under qualified and underpaid. I tell you that right now. Paid? You're getting paid? FBI agents typically do. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I'm not. And that's the problem.
00:21:06
Speaker
But no, man, like, no, absolutely like getting getting Romero on because I think the only movie we've covered that Romero doesn't have at least some vested interest in this month was last week's Day of the Dead, which is easily the nadir of all the movies that we've covered this month, like the Day of the Dead remake. And again, we use that term loosely is
00:21:32
Speaker
It is the worst. It's fucking the worst move we've covered this month. It's really bad. But I will repeat once again, it's one of those bad movies. You get the right people around and
Music Tangents and Personal Stories
00:21:43
Speaker
maybe the right substances. You're going to have a really good time, especially that first half. There's just nuggets, golden nuggets of terrible dialogue. You know what? Where's mom? Exactly, man. That's what I'm talking about. All right. Calm down, Nick Cannon. It's OK. I'll give you money.
00:22:11
Speaker
Let's do the plot, Steve. Let's do it. Let's do. Let's do no way. No, you told you said yours. It was. Yeah, no, I mean, I yeah, I just watched. I watched the original last night. I watched the remake earlier today. Yeah, like, I mean, I can tell you my thoughts on Timothy, all a fan's career, but I feel like I've done that a couple of times already. So we have talked about it. Yeah. We even briefly touched upon it earlier enough to kind of recap, honestly. Yeah. But yeah, no, it's now I dug. I.
00:22:31
Speaker
Oh, what a D bag. What a D bag.
00:22:42
Speaker
And we'll get into this more later, but there are things I really enjoyed about this remake and things I really didn't. And the things that I really didn't cost this movie a whole half star for me. Well, let's get on with the plot, because I'm dying to know what it is you didn't like about this movie. Right on. Right on.
00:23:00
Speaker
So, yeah, so this is the plot in 60 seconds. It's the part of the show where at the behest of what is it? We say the Canadian quarter of indifference. There she is. Yeah. Oh, good. You found her. I. I noticed your rifle and there's some change there. That's Caribbean. Look, I've got a I've got a Caribbean quarter. And I've also I've also got one from the Bahamas. You should get here.
00:23:30
Speaker
Oh, the harmony on that. No, no. Yeah. Oh, love it. So suddenly. OK, I've done no more. Bill Lee Ocean. Bring back Billie Ocean.
00:23:51
Speaker
He didn't go anywhere, man. He's still around. I know. But like bring him back to the mainstream. I'm saying life has no meaning. Let's let Billy Ocean have like a Rick Astley moment. Please and please. Like he needs it. And I'm here for it to be a completely honest. You know, Billy Ocean, get out of my dreams. Get into my car. That's it. Get into my car.
00:24:16
Speaker
I don't know if you guys can do, most people don't realize how way into Billy Ocean I am. It's pretty much half of my life like it's Billy Ocean. You laugh but it's true. Really, you've got a BBO and an AEO or ABO like before Billy Ocean and after Billy Ocean timing your life. There's no such thing. Billy Ocean's always been there.
00:24:39
Speaker
There is no before Billy, man. I don't know. I don't know what life is without Billy. In fact, life has no meaning to me. Without Billy, you know, wild, wild, wild. That's one of the things Billy Ocean and Tom Petty are the two artists when the season is over. Mm hmm.
00:25:01
Speaker
I'll go out back into the campground at night with my headphones on and sing Billy Ocean songs and Tom Petty songs at the top of my fucking lungs at like two o'clock in the morning. And it feels great. You know who my artist to do that with is? Who dat? And it's an artist that I have been physically compared to on more than one occasion.
00:25:20
Speaker
Uh, recently deceased actually died, I think just last year and just rocked my fucking world. Cause I'm such a big fan of this artist and not his politics. Yeah, it's meatloaf. Of course it's fucking meatloaf. I fucking love meatloaf, man. King of the power. I forgot that he died last year, man. Yeah, man.
00:25:37
Speaker
Oh, that's right, because I watched Tenacious D in Pick of Destiny in honor of him the day he died. That's right. I listened to the entirety of one of my all time favorite albums, Bad Out of Hell, which I've been re-listening to over the last like week. My partner like mentioned, like asked me a question like, what are your favorite albums? And Bad Out of Hell was absolutely one of my top five favorite albums. I love that album. Like top to bottom, there are no misses on that album.
00:26:02
Speaker
Stephen, we need to do karaoke and you and I need to do a duet of Paradise by the Dashboard Light. I'll be the lady. Don't worry. I can handle it. But because everybody does it and everybody fucks it up. Mm hmm. It's like why even do a song karaoke that you don't know well enough to do it at karaoke? You know, it's cold and lonely in the deep dark night.
00:26:28
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I can see paradise by the dashboard light. I love that. I meet Logan. Fuck. That's it right there. Bonk. We ever go to karaoke when we go to karaoke, Steven. We'll do paradise. We need to get a third party to record it so we can put it up here behind the paywall for our patrons. Oh, yeah, dude, that video is going out. It's going wild.
00:26:54
Speaker
No, but it's not it's not going like live live. It's for patrons only disenfranch or patreon dot com slash disenfranch pod patrons only. Here's what we do. We do a pop up pop up video. We put it out for just like a little bit and like maybe put some whispers out on social media like, oh, man, if you went to this place, maybe you'd see something really cool and people would see it and then we'd take it down. Hmm.
00:27:19
Speaker
And it'd be like it'd be lost media unless you were on the Patreon.
Plot Recap: The Crazies (2010)
00:27:22
Speaker
We do like we do like a Dark Knight style like viral marketing thing where like people have to like put together like pieces like geocaching and shit. And then it's just us singing paradise for the dashboard like in some shit bar like. Yup.
00:27:38
Speaker
taken with a shitty cell phone camera. Absolutely. Yes. Love this. Way to it. Way to it. Yeah. Anyway, that plot. Anyway, plot and 60. God, we just we digress so heavily. Hey, Billy Ocean, you talk about Billy Ocean. We're going to be here for a minute. So meatloaf, sun and breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yeah, dude. What's that guy? What's his writing partner, guys? Jim Steinman.
00:28:03
Speaker
Because I you know what I've noticed a lot since probably the early 2000s is when any of his records are mentioned, they always say meatloaf and Jim Steinman. Instead of just I mean, it's a meatloaf record because I feel like they kind of have the same relationship to like Elton John and that one dude have. Right. Toppin. Yeah. Yeah. He just writes this like they're two heads of the same dragon. Like. But here's the thing, like not all of
00:28:33
Speaker
Meatloaf songs are Jim Steinman. Like, Bat of the Hell 3 has, I think, maybe two or three Steinman songs and the rest are written by someone else. Yeah. Now, one of them is like the superior rendition of It's All Coming Back to Me Now, which he duets with Marion Raven, which is. Oh, nice. I will tell you the perfect version of that song. I actually made my partner listen to it. I watched the music video for it earlier this week because I was just
00:28:59
Speaker
As soon as she got me thinking about like my favorite albums, I just had meatloaf on the brain constantly. And that is one of my favorite meatloaf tracks, like without question. It's so fucking good. But yeah, but like Simon and Simon wrote like Total Eclipse of the Heart. He wrote Making Love Out of Nothing at All. Like there's like a really epic power ballad from like a specific part of point in time.
00:29:23
Speaker
Chances are Jim Steinman was behind it, but no one did Steinman better than Meatloaf. And I don't think Meatloaf was ever better than when he was singing anything not written by Jim Steinman.
00:29:35
Speaker
Like Jim Steinman was when he was at, when Meatloaf was singing with Jim Steinman, both of those artists were at their pinnacle. And like Meatloaf perfected everything that Steinman wrote and Steinman was able to play to Meatloaf's strengths in a way that no other writer could. And it's just like this, that kind of perfect artistic fusion that like comes along maybe once in a lifetime for an artist. And it was so good. It was so good to watch them cook. Yeah, dude.
00:30:03
Speaker
I love it. Sounds rad. He and Steinman wrote all the songs for bad out of hells one and two. So. I appreciate your enthusiasm for Meatloaf a day.
00:30:15
Speaker
I fucking love meatloaf today, man. It brings me joy. I that he brings you joy. I fucking love it, dude. We're just all joyous now. I've gotten a lot of shit from my meatloaf love, but I got to tell you, I love meatloaf, at least like peripherally, you know, people like meatloafs not right in front of me, but like I got a good I got a good side eye on him. You know what I mean?
00:30:38
Speaker
He's no Billy Ocean for me, but like, you know, at least I'm aware. And I know what's up. Actually, like I went to I went to a brewery just around the corner from my apartment not too long ago. And there was a guy in there and he stops me as soon as I walk in the door. He's like, oh, my God, you look just like me. Well, I was.
00:30:58
Speaker
I was like, I was not prepared for this today, sir, but thank you. I do sign autographs of him and then for 60 dollars. I came back again and he was there and he just he looked at me and he shook his head. He goes, I swear you look so much like me. And it's just like you're not the first to say so, sir. Like, but yeah, no, I love meatloaf, man.
00:31:24
Speaker
Actually, friend of the podcast, Andrew Greetings was the first one who told me I looked like Meatloaf and actually kickstarted my Meatloaf obsession. So thank you, Andrew. He'll be on the he's a future guest. The podcast will be on. He'll be on. He will be missed. Oh, no, he'll be on. He'll be on the podcast. OK. Anyway, did you find the Canadian quarter of indifference? I done been found it, Stephen. Oh, OK. Well, look, we had a whole tangent sidebar on Meatloaf and Billy Ocean and it needed to happen.
00:31:53
Speaker
Look, if we're not going on tangents, are we even a podcast? Oh, I don't know. I don't know either. Like otherwise we're just like two buddies talking to each other. But anyway, the plot in 60 seconds, this is the part where at the behest of the Canadian quarter of indifference, which Tucker will flip, we will decide which of us will be recounting the plot of 2010's The Crazies in 60 seconds or less. Tucker,
00:32:21
Speaker
Give that one coin a flippy flip. OK, you're going to call it in the area. I am. OK, Queen or Moose, Steven, Queen or Moose. Here we go. I'm calling Tails. It is Tails. Muahahaha. You finally got the moose. I finally got the moose, which means it's finally time for you to do the plot. I will. I will do the plot. I'm not excited about it, though.
00:32:51
Speaker
I mean, when are we ever? Sometimes I am. But this one, it's it's it's a little bit of a road movie without being a road movie.
Critique: Character Focus and Dynamics
00:33:03
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It is. I don't like that. I enjoy those movies, but like the beats, all the beats don't exactly stick with me if I don't watch them a whole lot, you know. Right. But I think I got the the broad strokes.
00:33:16
Speaker
Well, I have 60 seconds on the clock. I'll give you the 30 and 10-second warnings as I do. Your time will start whenever you do.
00:33:24
Speaker
Oh, shit. How does it start? Oh, the guy at the baseball game. So there's Lily game and this dude comes out with his gun and the sheriff's like, hey, man. And the guy's like, what? And he doesn't say anything. But his face is like, and he goes to shoot the sheriff and the sheriff shoots him. And some people are mad at him for that. But it turns out he was good, good, good, crazy.
00:33:50
Speaker
with the Trixie virus, which was accidentally there was a plane that was carrying it to be destroyed that that fucking crashed in the woods and got in the water supply. So people are going, good, good, good, great. And so eventually you get the sheriff and his wife, the deputy and that gal from the hospital or whatever.
00:34:09
Speaker
And they're together and they go to get her boyfriend and he gets killed and his mom gets killed. But they tell the army guy, they're like, no, don't tell us, Mr. Army guy, we want to be in the sequel. And so he doesn't tell on them. So they get to go. They go to the truck stop and then like everybody dies except for the sheriff and his wife. And they get to Des Moines. The Cedar Rapids. Same thing where it's all going to start again. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude.
00:34:39
Speaker
kind of, they did the nuke in this one. Because in the original one, they were talking, but they talked about it a bit. Right. And they may have done it.
00:34:52
Speaker
They may have done it. We don't know, because once homeboy leaves, once they're like, no, you got to go take it's in fucking Tennessee or whatever now. So you got to go check that out. And he's like, all right. And he just hops up on the helicopter. He's like, and that's the end of the movie strips all his clothes off, puts on new clothes and pieces out. That's my impression of.
00:35:17
Speaker
Tucker over here doing visual comedy on an auditory medium. It's just for you, Steven, it's all for you. Now jump off the roof. No. I thought you were doing an Omen reference. No, they do the nuke in this one, though. They do. They absolutely do. They nuke this fictional Iowa town. Luckily, there's nobody there when they do.
00:35:44
Speaker
Well, no one that's not crazy that we know or dead because they killed they killed all the military killed all the infected they could. They killed all the people that weren't infected also. Right. That's kind of remember with the wristbands. You remember that they show at the end, you're like, holy fuck, they just killed everybody. Yeah. I mean, that's that's the most horrifying reveal of the movie is when you pan out through that truck and you see that they're all like they've killed literally everyone.
00:36:15
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like she's like his wife is laying on the ground when they're in the truck stop, which is supposed to I think was supposed to be like the refuge where they were taking everybody. And she just has. That's where they were the night. That's where they chose.
00:36:27
Speaker
Yeah, that's where they took the people who were not infected was to the truck stop. That's where the scene where the guy rips the kid from the lady. Yes. That's at the truck stop. That's where he's talking to the one guy and he's like, yo, I'm going to go get my wife and you're not going to and we're not going to concentrate on the reasons for either of those motherfucking things we about to do. Right. The end. That guy's like, all right, I understand. You don't ask me why I'm going back for your wife. I won't ask you why you're not. Yeah, that's.
00:36:54
Speaker
It's just a really good line. I really like that part. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's one of the it's one of the good pieces of dialogue here. I don't know. Like I there are things about this movie I really like. Like I like I simultaneously like and dislike the choice. That this film makes to focus entirely on the civilian population and not on the government response.
00:37:22
Speaker
Yeah, I kind of I kind of miss that, too. I don't think I feel like the movie is just like the original about 20 minutes too long, if I'm being honest. Agreed. And I feel like this is actually shorter than the original to this one's an hour and 40. I believe it is. I think the original is right right at an hour and 40 as well. I was 39, I believe.
00:37:48
Speaker
143, hour 43. So just a little, just a hair longer, the original. But I feel like that that's something I would have liked to have seen, but I don't think there was really any room for it because of the character development that they were trying to do with the survivors, you know?
00:38:09
Speaker
Right. No, I'd rather I'd rather get a spinoff movie, honestly, where we just get that whole movie from their perspective. The one thing I really feel like we're missing is a Dr. Watts character, like a Richard France kind of presence.
00:38:24
Speaker
Dummies. Dummies. Dummies. Who is also the one eyed scientist on Dawn of the Dead. Yeah. Did you know he's the world's foremost expert on Orson Welles stage career?
00:38:43
Speaker
Oh, is that why he has not done a movie? Can you see that? Can you see that in him, though? Can you see the Orson Welles in him just a little bit percent? Yeah. And I fucking love it. Yes. You got to go to his Wikipedia page, dude. Check him out on Wikipedia. It's really interesting stuff. He's done with Orson Welles theater.
00:39:00
Speaker
I absolutely will now. I because I was just he's such a compelling presence in every one of the movies I've seen him in. He was also in another Romero film. There's always vanilla, which Romero considers one of his worst films, which I think was the film he made before The Crazies. It was right after Night of the Living Dead. And like for the longest time, he's also apparently an uncredited zombie. Yeah.
00:39:25
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, I know Richard Francis this is I think his largest role in a Romero film and he's so good in it and like I miss that kind of a presence like that guy is so compelling to look at like I want to get just like a jowly character actor in there to like do all the shit he was doing and just like be shouting and condescending and not telling anyone shit like cuz that's I so there are
00:39:54
Speaker
I also think that the original is far more tragic than the remake. Like, there are moments, there are elements of tragedy to him, to your boy you were just talking about, man. No, that's what I'm about to say, yeah. And he rolls out to tell everybody, and they're like, who are you? Get over there. And he's like, no, no. Do you know who I am? And they're like, no, actually, we don't. Fuck off. And you're like, what? Because he's so adamant and so, like,
00:40:20
Speaker
insistent they think he's one of the crazies and so they shove him in with them and while he's trying to escape he actually causes them
00:40:29
Speaker
to overpower the people there and ends up dying and breaking the vials of blood that he had found basically that held the cure for the damn thing. And the cure that he had spent the whole movie to that point in several scenes, several key scenes. And then he just walks out and the guards are like, fuck you, dude. And it's over. It's over.
00:40:53
Speaker
Yeah, at that point, all hope dies. Any chance of that going forward. Because at the end, they say multiple times, we had no idea what he was working on. We had no idea what... We're hoping someone can figure it out. Someone else from the Trixie board is going to be down there to help you in Louisville when you get there. But I don't know what he was doing. And that's one... The other is what happens to Judy.
00:41:17
Speaker
Like Judy's a very tragic figure in this movie and and Katie, Kathy, Kathy, the the Lynn Lowry, the little girl. Like, holy shit, that's fucking tragic, like.
00:41:30
Speaker
And her death scene is so poignant. And to hear Lynn Lowry talk about it, she's like, I, you know, I wanted to do more. I wanted to like, ham it up. And Romero was like, no, just give me an O and then fall over. And I think as she got older, she learned to appreciate what that was going for. But it's such a powerful, tragic moment. And then like that scene with her and her dad is, God, it's so fucking disturbing and
00:41:54
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, the the original is just steeped in tragedy. But I think one of the biggest tragedies, what happens to Dr. Watts, we just don't get we don't get it in this movie. Like I was looking through after I watched the original, I was kind of like, well, who plays the analog of not even Dr. Watts, but who plays the analog of the head of the
00:42:17
Speaker
the head of the military, Colonel Peckham, like who plays Colonel Peckham? And I didn't see a Colonel Peckham. Wait, there's nobody. It's only from the perspective of the survivors. And on one level, I like it because it gives you a chance to really get to know those characters. But on the other hand, like you're missing half the movie. And I think a sequel to this movie really could have been the side story of what happens, what like the military response.
00:42:43
Speaker
Like the guy who they flip the fucking car over, like they flip the caravan over. Like that guy could be a prominent character. And you get this moment where the two stories intersect and you get that scene that plays in both movies. That would be really cool. And then the third movie is, you know, what happens in Cedar Rapids and how it's spreading like you could you could absolutely build a franchise from this movie.
00:43:05
Speaker
You know, I think to a smaller extent, the scene with the guy where they flip his car over does harken back to some of just the hopelessness of the original to where every time we think we're getting somewhere snuffed out. Exactly.
00:43:23
Speaker
And it's not as big of a beat as it doesn't go. It doesn't go quite deep enough. But I feel like it kind of I feel like it kind of calls back to the original in that way to where the guy's like, OK, I'll straight up tell you. Here you go. This is what's happening. You need to go to and then he's fucking dead. Right. And you're like, wait a minute.
Remakes Done Right: The Crazies and More
00:43:42
Speaker
Hold on. Yeah.
00:43:45
Speaker
Like I said, not as big as the beats in the original, but I do feel that that was kind of the same sort of vibe they were going for with that. And for me, it was it was effective enough. Right. And you can tell that that's what they're going for. But to the degree to the degree to which they're successful, like particularly when you're comparing it to Romero's film, it just it it feels like it falls a little flat for me. Well, and if anything, it's more of a callback, just that one part, I think, because this is
00:44:13
Speaker
Even though it's essentially the same story, it's it's a very different movie. First of all, it's a movie like it's a real honest to God movie. Whereas like the original crazies, I don't even know what that is. It's wonderful, but I don't even know what it is. Right. I'm glad it is whatever it is, but I don't know what it is. Right. This the remake is an actual movie, so it kind of has to follow movie rules. Hmm.
00:44:39
Speaker
You know, and I think for what it is, it does the best job that it possibly can. But I would not I would not be being honest if I didn't say I also missed some of just the the utter hopelessness and brutality of.
00:44:55
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the original, it is implied a lot in the remake, and there are a few scenes that kind of call back to where it's like, remember how fucked up it was in the original? Well, this is kind of fucked up, too, like, but also we're a real ass movie, so we can't get, you know, can't get too crazy with it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then the other thing, and this is the this is the thing that really knocked the movie a half star for me, is the repetition of certain things.
00:45:25
Speaker
Like what? Like for starters, the fact that the deputy is always saving. The sheriff's ass always. There are there are a few too many. It is a real ass movie, so people have to come in at the exact last minute to save the person who's about to be killed.
00:45:43
Speaker
Yes, that happens on every time in this movie. And speaking of, it's it feels contrived like the first time you're like, OK, good. The second time you're like, what the fuck? The third time you're like, OK, fuck, what are we doing here? Jesus. Well, for me, it's spread out enough that like I notice it, but I don't care because like there's so much good in between. And I was just thinking what we were saying about things that harken back to just like those sudden instances of we're getting somewhere and then suddenly we're not.
00:46:14
Speaker
Um. The car out of the car wash when that helicopter just like they're like, oh, good, the car's out. We can. Nope. Mm hmm. Fucking love that scene. Like every time they they do those little nods, I'm way into it because they're not as the stakes aren't as big, but still it's like, oh, man, it's really I really it's really creative the way they do it, I think. And speaking to the car washing, this is the second movie that we've talked about on this podcast, where it is a remake.
00:46:42
Speaker
of a of a horror film from the 2000s in which Danielle Panabaker dies a pretty vicious death. Because we also covered the Friday, the 13th remake, and she does the exact same thing. Yeah. Yeah. So that, I mean, wild. I don't think she dies in Piranha 3DD, but if she does, that would be a third one. But we wouldn't cover that on this podcast because that is a sequel to the reboot of Piranha. And we have taste.
00:47:11
Speaker
Do we, though? I thought the first one was good. Look, I love John Gooliger. John Gooliger is one of those guys like John Kay minus the pedophilia. You're you're you're the son of your your boy, Clew Gooliger. Yeah, dude. So he directed Feast, which Feast is a wonderful anti horror horror movie. It's the best kind of spoof without being a spoof.
00:47:42
Speaker
kind of movies, and it's great, and I love it. But it's only that great because John Gooligan is so brilliant, but Lil Bit Affleck and Lil Matt Damon were back here being like, uh-uh, hold up, pull that back just a little bit, but take about 20% off the top, you're gonna be perfect. They weren't there for the sequels. They were awful. The first Piranha remake, there was somebody, maybe it was the studio, I don't know, that was keeping him in check. Double D.
00:48:13
Speaker
Boy must have had Final Cut, because, oh boy, that movie just goes way too far. It has the Sam Raimi Spider-Man 2 thing where the first one is successful enough that they'll let you do whatever you want for the sequel, and you do, and it kind of ruins the thing.
00:48:30
Speaker
though, but not for Spider-Man two, though. No, no. Spider-Man two. Well, I know what you mean. Bad example, but I know what you mean. Yeah, he's he's not. I mean, John Goolagher is not Sam Raimi. He's no Sam Raimi. No, he's he's a good filmmaker, I think. But like I say, he's the kind of guy like John Kay, where you kind of have to. He needs somebody to rein him in. Yeah. And a lot of great artists do, honestly. Sure. Um.
00:48:59
Speaker
Not sure why we started talking about John Gooliger, but it's because Steven, I'm giving you an editing point. Daniel Panabaker's and Piranha 3DD. Yeah, I got to go pee. Yeah, go do it. I will. One, two, three, go unplug my headphones in case you want to serenade me again. I'm not going to say to you while you pee, Steven. You did it before. Oh, I didn't know European before. I must not have been paying attention. Five minutes later. We're talking about that girl in double D.
00:49:29
Speaker
And she's in Friday the 13th and she's in this movie and she dies. She dies. Yes. Daniel Pennebaker straight up dies in this movie. And then she dies. Crazy. Yeah. And it's so sudden that whole that whole scene. It just I really love that set piece because it seems like it's going to be very tropey, but it really, really throws you for everything that happens. It's not what you expect. And it never happens when you expect it to happen. Right.
00:49:58
Speaker
And I think that's, I would, that comes down to writing, directing, editing as well. I just think everybody that worked on this movie did a really stellar job. The other instance of repetition that really got on my nerves, and I think it only happens twice, but it irked me the second time I was like, Oh God, come on again, is the, the, the sheriff's wife, Judy will be doing something.
00:50:22
Speaker
And then we'll do like suddenly we'll just like move the camera and go a little wider. And there's a crazy standing in the background, just like just in the corner of the front. Hey, hey, I agree with you. But that second one, if that noise hadn't been there, I wouldn't have seen that motherfucker. So every time, every time I would have a bitch.
00:50:43
Speaker
Every time I watch that movie, I'm always impressed by that because you're just watching her do her thing. You're like, oh, this is nice. The shots widening out. This is kind of a cool shot. And then the little noise comes in. You're like, wait, what am I supposed to be? Oh, my fuck. Yeah.
00:51:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's very effective. I didn't even notice it until they cut back because they cut to the sheriff and then they cut back. And that's what I saw when they cut back. Well, because this movie is dark as fuck. There were moments of this movie. I could not see a single thing that was happening on the screen.
00:51:19
Speaker
Are you watching it upscaled or are you putting your TV on 1080p? The version on your voodoo. I've got my 4K TV on. Okay, you have your 4K TV on, but does it switch resolutions when it goes to a lower resolution or does it stay 4K? Oh, it probably stays 4K. That's why it looked like garbage because it was upscaling. You need to figure out how to put your TV into 1080p mode so that you can watch stuff that's not in 4K and it doesn't look like glossy garbage.
00:51:51
Speaker
But yeah, I like, I just, I couldn't see like half this movie. That's too bad, man. This is one maybe you should have watched on your phone. I don't do that if I can help it. Okay.
00:52:04
Speaker
For me, it depends on what it is, what kind of movie it is. Sure. Or show. And if I've seen it before is a very big factor. Sure. Understood. I mean, I watched most of the movies I watched in 2020 on my phone because that was just the easiest and best way to watch them. That's fair, but it's very specific. But yeah, I mean, this one I watched on my big ass TV, man, I watched that shit in 4K. And those are your gripes.
00:52:33
Speaker
So how about that? How about that pitchfork scene?
00:52:37
Speaker
It's pretty rad, dude. Oh, we. It was pretty rad. I love I. I mean, it's the poster. So you're kind of expecting it. So when it happens, you're like, you're doing the Leo points at the screen thing. Yeah. But it deserves to be on the poster. That's like a that's a really big moment with the exception of, as we talked about before, there are a few too many last minute convenient saves in this movie. And that scene ends with that outside of that. Yeah.
00:53:04
Speaker
Outside of that, it's fantastic. It's just unnerving. Like this, this very well paid close call or deus ex machina, the movie. Yeah, somebody's always there. Someone, someone's conveniently always right where they need to be. But like not a moment too soon.
00:53:21
Speaker
No, we've got to get some danger and some real danger in there first. But you know it but it never because you expect that like it never really feels as dangerous as it should. Again, it feels more like a movie. Whereas with Romero, you don't doubt that any one of these fuckers could die at any second and you have expect them all to like that's that's the thing like you expect them all to get because again, you're
00:53:44
Speaker
At least when we watch it now we're kind of expecting well this is the zombie guy and these are zombie adjacent they're not zombies they're not dead. But like they have that kind of it's a similar kind of thing like it's something they're infected by something and it causes them to act abnormally.
00:54:02
Speaker
So in that regard, like you're you're you're expecting something like that, but it it just never hits quite quite the same. And and whereas this movie, like you're always expecting the hero is going to jump out and have the hero moment because this again feels very much like a Hollywood movie. For me, the perfect remake cannot be as good as the original. No.
00:54:28
Speaker
And that's why I, for me, this is the perfect remake because it does exactly what a remake is supposed to do. And what a remake is supposed to do is supposed to take an old film that people like and rejigger it a bit and modernize it a bit. Put some modern sensibilities in there, clean it up, put a little bit more money into it. Bam.
00:54:58
Speaker
And of course, we all know the remakes that are better than the original. We're looking at like the fly, the thing. I'm very I want to say Cape Fear, but the original is so good, too, but they're so different. That's the thing. Like, I don't feel like I can compare them. They are the same movie, but they're so different tonally. Mm hmm. Like it's the same story. Robert Mitchum shows up, too, and that one's both of them. Robert Mitchum like a motherfucker.
00:55:27
Speaker
Richard Mitchum like a motherfucker. We do love some Robert Mitchum. We're talking about Robert Mitchum before we started recording. But yeah, we're always I'm always talking about Robert Mitch. Robert Mitchum and Billy Ocean. Those are my two go tos. Robert Mitchum like a motherfucker. Like now it's. But and I would owe a little shop of horrors. I would say the remake is is better than the original. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I agree. Those are my big three.
Horror Tactics: Jump Scares Debate
00:55:54
Speaker
For me, Night of the Living Dead, but we've already established that you do not agree with that. I do not, no. Which is fair. Which is fair. I feel like there's... Just feel like the original is just like a masterpiece. I have heard, I cannot vouch for this, but I've heard that the Alexander Aja remake of The Hills Have Eyes is better than the original.
00:56:18
Speaker
I don't think it's better, but it's a lot like this movie where it is a perfect remake. It does exactly what a remake is supposed to do. That's I'm glad you mentioned that because I didn't even I didn't even think about it, but I feel the same way about that, Phil. I just know that a friend of the podcast, Samu Damas, is very strongly of that opinion. So I didn't realize Sammy agreed with me on that. That's no, no, no. He's the opinion that it is better than the original.
00:56:46
Speaker
Oh, well, I'm interested to hear why. I'll probably agree with the reasons, but I might not agree that it's better. I was going to say, you'll you'll see him this weekend, I'm sure. I know, dude, we'll talk about it. Also, the sequel, the sequel to the remake is a fun little movie, too. It's not that as well. It's not good. Well, I mean, it's good for what it is, but it's not.
00:57:09
Speaker
Well, there's people to the original hot garbage and maybe one of the worst things that Craven's ever directed. That's Craven in desperate need of a paycheck is The Hills Have Eyes 2. The sequel to the remake is more of a
00:57:31
Speaker
Uh, they just use the characters from the original as like slasher villains. And you have a team of like an army unit. That's out looking for them or for something. I don't remember. And they just pick them off one by one, man. It's simple. It's stupid, but it's really well done. And that's just, yeah, it's, it's predator with nuclear hillbillies.
00:58:00
Speaker
And it's really amazing. It's a little movie, though. It's just a little teeny squirt of a movie. It's nothing to get too excited about. But for what it is, it's really good. I recommend it to anybody who just wants a fun hour and a half. It's good times. But yeah, like I say, The Hills Have Eyes remake, I think, is the same with Last House on the Left. I don't know if you saw that, the remake of that.
00:58:28
Speaker
I think I saw that one before I saw the original. I saw that one. And I actually had to walk out on the remake because I was I was like, I can't I can't watch this. I think my roommate was watching it with really. I thought it was my I couldn't I couldn't stick with it. I thought it was tame by comparison to the original. Well, again, I hadn't seen the original at that point. Like I've I've since I did the remake of couple of I think during quarantine when I was just like, I want to watch a lot of Wes Craven movies. So I watched like a shit ton of Wes Craven during that.
00:58:58
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, well, it's got that's got Aaron Paul in it and our boy from. Raising Hope, Gary, with the bass. Yeah, that guy. Gary Dylan from the next night, his army of the dead. Now, Last House on the Left, it's not a perfect remake like The Crazies or The Hills Have Eyes.
00:59:24
Speaker
But it's more in the Robocop category where it does a pretty good job of doing what it's supposed to do. Above average job of remaking a movie is what I'd say. It's pretty good. Yeah, fair enough. Hi, I'm Tucker. I like movies. No, we don't. Movies are fun.
00:59:48
Speaker
So what exactly? So so I guess I would like for you to elaborate a little further, if you could, as to what makes this movie in your words, a perfect remake. Well, like I said before, it stays pretty close to the original premise, which this one does. It's no Dawn of the Dead, where it's just a zombies mall, Dawn of the Dead, right?
01:00:14
Speaker
Like, no, it's it's the crazies. It is the craze. It's unmistakably the if you saw this and it weren't called the crazies, you'd be like, how is this not a remake of the fucking crazies? Right. Fair. Particularly because all the character names are functionally the same. Yeah. Yeah, they sure are. But.
01:00:32
Speaker
Um, I think that the script uses the original as a foundation and what it builds on top of it. I think it kind of fits the mold of a perfect remake where I said to where like you update the setting. You update the characters, update the dialogue, update the story a little bit, inject
01:01:00
Speaker
a lot more money into it, get some stars in there. And that's what makes a perfect remake, something that carries the tone of the original, that gets the original and does something very similar to it in the same vein, while also kind of being its own thing and telling its own story.
Sister Act and Sequel Rumors
01:01:25
Speaker
Fair enough. And that's why it's that's why it's the perfect remake, man, because for me, at least. And I hear what you're saying. I understand your gripes about it like that. Those things don't bother me, but I get it. Like I am aware that those things exist. They just don't bother me. Sure. But that's why. Yeah, that's that's why it perfect, because for me, it hits every one of those perfectly. It's perfectly updated. I think the setting works so much better now it being like in Iowa.
01:01:54
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where instead of it being instead of it being like hill country, it's like flat, nothing country. Right. It's fun. Instead of. Yeah, instead of Evan City, it's just fucking fields and Evan City is hilly as fuck. I don't know if you've ever been to Evan City. I have not. No, I don't think it is that state at all. It is very whatever hilly. In fact, they're not kidding at the beginning of not living dead.
01:02:19
Speaker
You do have to drive up a big windy road just to get up to that fucking cemetery because it's on a cliff. That cemetery is literally on a cliff. Oh, geez. Have you ever go through Pennsylvania? Yeah, several times. I initially went there because it was the cemetery from Night of the Living Dead. But then I just fucking fell in love with it, man. Every time I go to Pennsylvania, I go through there. I don't spend the night there once. It was beautiful in the cemetery. That's wild. Yeah. I met some deer. It was cool.
01:02:47
Speaker
Just had yourself a little like Snow White moment. Out there with all the woodland creatures. I guess there's an eyelash in my mouth or something. I was going to say you're picking at your tongue like you just like. I'm sorry. This is really gross. This is great podcasting is what this is. Oh, my God. Did I get it? I felt it. It felt even bigger. It might be like an actual hair from my head. Is it?
01:03:13
Speaker
Where's that come? Oh, my God. I'm so uncomfortable now. Your tongue is just growing. You're uncomfortable. God, you don't have to watch you do this. I can turn the camera off. It is pretty disgusting. Hold up. Hold up. Wait, where's the camera off button? I can turn it off for you. OK, keep talking, Stephen. You got it. Yeah. Yeah. I can't keep talking through this.
01:03:40
Speaker
I think it's too far back in my mouth. I'm going to have to take a drink and swallow it. I feel like just drink some water, dude. But I had it. I had it. I hate hair in my mouth. OK. OK, sorry. Yeah, Crazies is a perfect remake, and that's why. And I think I got the hair out of my mouth.
01:04:06
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Uh, no, it's in my throat now. Perfect, Steven. Perfect. Now there's hair in my throat. You know how hard that is to get out? Just drink some hot water, dude. Water? What's that? Water's for poor people, Steven. Yeah, well, you know me. You're down with OPP? I mean, who isn't? Not me. That's gross. That's cheating, Steven.
01:04:34
Speaker
That's bad. You should be. You should be able to trust your partner, Steven. No OPP, Steven. I don't think I know what OPP stands for. Sorry. Really? OK, so you're not familiar with the song. OK. Well, I mean, I know I know that line, but yeah, I don't know what it stands for. OPP is a song about having
Final Thoughts on The Crazies
01:04:55
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relations outside of your relationship. OPP meaning other people's. Oh, you get it.
01:05:03
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I do. You get it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Of either kind. They both start with P with various slang terms, you know. Yeah. So if you're down with OPP. No, no. Yeah. Fun song. Not sure.
01:05:21
Speaker
I think I know that from Sister Act 2 when they repurpose it and say you're done with G.O.D. Oh, I love the Sister Act movies, Steven. I love them so much. I do. Is the third one going to happen? Is it happening? I'm pretty positive it won't. I keep like they keep starting and stopping and starting and stopping and it was going to be like on Disney Plus or something. That seems like a thing. I mean, Kathy and Jimmy kind of lives on Disney Plus these days.
01:05:50
Speaker
There's a poster. Oh, geez, are you serious? They're in pre-production. Kiki Palmer is going to be in it. I mean, I do love me some Kiki. Me, too. I'll watch the shit out of this. Jennifer Lewis is going to be in it. Of course. Of course, Kathy, what's her nuts is going to be in it, too. Jimmy, Kathy. Yeah, I mean, Bette Midler, what?
01:06:13
Speaker
I hope they get the all of the surviving other nuns back to because some of those ladies were old. I'm sure some of them are. Why is Bette Midler on the name on the poster, but not listed on the. I mean, you don't know. Bette Midler was supposed to be the original Dolores, right? You know that I could see that and that would be rad, but I'm glad they went with Whoopi.
01:06:35
Speaker
I'm so glad they went with Whoopi. The joke was that it's a Jewish nun. Like, that was the joke initially. I guess. Was that. Is that a joke? I'm just kidding. I get it. But yeah, then they changed it to Whoopi and there the rest, as they say. Is in Harvey Keitel's filmography.
01:07:00
Speaker
Yeah, that boy, how it is it? Yeah, the crazies, man. Crazies, remake. No, let's talk about Sister Act. I'm just kidding.
01:07:11
Speaker
Whenever I just want to feel catharsis, I put on the the omaria scene from the first movie, and I just I cannot help but cry by the end of that. By the end of that song, I am bawling like a child. Yo, the first movie is a masterpiece and the second movie is great, but it wouldn't be half as great without Lauren Hill. Dude, that second movie fucking slaps so hard. Oh, sister act like a motherfucker.
01:07:37
Speaker
Yeah, that that also has one of my formative childhood crushes. Alana Ubach is OK. Yeah, we talk about OK. Yeah, I had a massive crush on Alana Ubach when I was a kid. I was a weird kid. But yeah, I think we all did. I think we all did. I mean, we should. She is also the reason why I learned the entirety of the Love Boat song, because she sings it in that movie.
01:08:00
Speaker
So yeah, there you go. The crazies, man, the crazies. What else? What else we got to say about the crazies, man? It's pretty good. It's okay. It's fucking rad. And Timothy Oliphant is great. And the dude that plays the deputy is great. I think the sound design is really good. I learned about something.
01:08:26
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Uh, one of the first jump scares ever was in the original cat people. And, and that's why the original name for a jump
01:08:36
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scare was like a bus break or something, because that's what it is. Like there's this very quiet, like chase scene in Cat People. You've got to see Cat People, Steven. It's so up your alley, dude. It's been on my list for a long time. Watch it right now, Steven. But anyway, there's this this chase and it gets really intense and it's just footsteps. You just hear footsteps, footsteps, footsteps. It's like the only sound. And then all of a sudden, like a hydraulic break from a bus like.
01:09:07
Speaker
And it's like right there. It's like a huge jump scare. You're like, what the fuck? And they even they redo it, but they double down on it in the remake. And it's really rad. They redo the pool scene in the remake, too, which is pretty rad as well. You'll know I'm talking about what you see. Interesting. But anyway, yeah, that's like where jump scares got their start. Why did I mention that? I was mentioning cat people for some reason. I mean, we're talking about the crazy crazies. But no, I was saying, oh, sound design. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:36
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Um, there was definitely some of that, uh, those quick cuts in, in the remake and in the original, actually, those quick cuts where something is very still and then it cuts into something very, uh, not still, you know what I mean? What was the movie we were talking about that did the exorcist?
01:09:56
Speaker
The Exorcist does that so fucking well, that's the master class right there. That's how you fucking do it. But both of these movies do it pretty well, too. I think it does get one of my least fit. The last two movies, actually, that we've discussed on this podcast feature one of mine, and I didn't mention it last week, so I'll go ahead and mention it now. One of my least favorite kinds of jump scares, which is the final shot of the film. Just a face just jumps in for in frame and screams, you know, it's the worst. I hate it. It's cheap.
01:10:25
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And it should never fucking happen. And that's a Halloween scare. That's a haunted house scare. That's a trick or treat scare. That's not.
01:10:33
Speaker
That's a little fun scare you have with your friends. That's not that's not some shit you put in a movie and expect people to fucking respect it at the end of the day. Yeah. And that's something both the day of the dead does and the the like, I don't know, it's not a post credit scene, like mid credits, I guess, scene that also does that, too. And I'm just like, fuck this. Fuck that. Fuck that.
Sequel Setup: Mid-Credit Scene Discussion
01:10:54
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I hate it so much. I don't like it. Like even a little bit. I think it's awful.
01:11:00
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I liked how that mid credit scene started. I did, too. Yeah, because again, that sets you up for like everything set in that in that like in the final shots of the film proper. And then in that mid credit scene sets you up for what the sequel could be like they're heading into Cedar Rapids. They think they're safe. And then you zoom out to the satellite view and then you see Cedar Rapids, Iowa population, da da da da.
01:11:28
Speaker
And then in the bottom right hand corner, it says commence containment protocol, which you saw over Ogden Marsh once it started. And so you know, the whole shit they've just gone through, they're going to go through again. Well, and see, maybe that's how you get more of the military angle in the sequel is they get there.
01:11:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's already gone to shit and maybe you have like an outbreak situation where like you have kind of your representatives from military and civilian kind of representatives Like you've seen outbreak right Dustin Hoffman and Morgan Freeman. I haven't but I know the gist Oh Stephen I Feel like you know, I was thinking about this too while I was watching both of these movies I was like I should tell them to watch outbreak too and
01:12:10
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because it's so similar, it should also be credited as a remake, kind of. It's really good though. Outbreak is amazing. Yeah, you should definitely check that out. If you liked these two movies, Outbreak is like the big 90s tentpole version of that.
Film Recommendations and Box Office Talk
01:12:33
Speaker
Remember those big 90s tip pole movies, like those serious thriller dramas? Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. Outbreak is like the pinnacle of those kind of movies. And it's it's really good. I mean, look, just look at the cast. Look at the director. I mean, it's you can't go wrong. Fair enough. Outbreak, that's a recommendation to anyone listening and also to Stephen.
01:12:56
Speaker
I'm listening. Yeah. So yeah, The Crazies comes out February 26, 2010. It is made on a budget of $19 million. It opens at number three the week it comes out to $16 million on its way. So it makes almost its entire budget back in its opening weekend.
01:13:26
Speaker
on its way. This is an interesting week, though. I'm excited for you to say who's ahead of this movie. I bet you are. So it on its way to thirty nine million dollars domestic and then a total worldwide box office of 56 million. So the worldwide box office ends up being about three times the production budget.
01:13:46
Speaker
I mean, a pretty decent return on investment, but not enough to apparently not enough to garner a sequel. I think they're looking. They voted the hell out of this movie, man. I remember there were mobile games like there were
01:14:04
Speaker
trailers everywhere. It was it was they kind of expected it to be a huge thing. It was a decent thing. Like it made some money, but it wasn't anywhere near what they expected it to be. Right. Right. So, yeah. And unfortunately, that's kind of where this ended then. Opening at number one this week at the box office, a little film by our good buddy, Uncle Marty Shutter Island. Yeah, dude, we had duly appointed federal marshals.
01:14:33
Speaker
I always forget that that's a Scorsese movie and apparently so does he. Yeah. Hey.
01:14:41
Speaker
So there's a question going around Twitter this week. It was like, what's what was the first Martin Scorsese film you ever saw? And what's the first Scorsese film you ever saw in theaters? And someone said the first one I saw in theaters was Shutter Island, quote to error, parentheses, but don't tell Marty, which I thought was really funny. That's the first of his movies that I saw in theaters, not the first I saw of his. The first I saw was Bringing Out the Dead and then Taxi Driver and then
01:15:09
Speaker
I think Raging Bull. My answer to both of those questions is the aviator. Oh, word. I think I saw that the movie theater, too. Well, that came out before Shutter Island. So if you saw it in the movie theater, the aviators did it, though, the movie. It came out in 2004, dude. OK, all right. I see we're in timeline B. OK, gotcha. No, that tracks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:15:38
Speaker
Anyway, also known as the sacred timeline. Timeline A is the sacred timeline. My sister was born on the 12th in timeline A. She's born on the 14th in timeline B. That's how I can always tell which one I'm in. And both of them, though, strangely enough, it's it's Berenstain. But I still have that memory of Berenstain, so like, I don't know how that works, but in both of my timelines.
01:16:06
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Mandela affecting both of them, I guess. I guess weird. Number two, the movie you're probably most excited to gush about.
Film Reception Debates: Cop Out and Avatar
01:16:13
Speaker
A little movie starring my boy Bruce Willis and your boy Tracy Morgan, directed by your boy Kevin Smith. A little movie called Cop Out. How much did that movie make this week, Stephen? Well, it was what did it get? It opens this week. It opens to eighteen point two million dollars domestic. That was its opening week.
01:16:35
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That was its opening weekend. OK. It was supposed to do 30. That was the whole thing. Well, it was made on a budget of 37 and in a row.
01:16:49
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I what you did is there and I see it only makes about a little less than 45 domestic. Oh, OK. And 56 worldwide. So it does not multiply very well at all. That's too bad. Look, it's not great, but I don't understand what everybody's big fucking hate boner for that movie is. It's fine. It's not like aggressively bad. There are far.
01:17:14
Speaker
Far worse ways that you could spend an hour and a half. And I think Tracy Morgan's pretty funny in that fucking movie. I think Cop Out is the only Kevin Smith movie I've ever seen. It's not. Look, it's not good, but it's also not bad. Like it's fine. It's perfectly fine. I think it is. I don't. I really don't understand why everybody hates it so much. Like what were they expecting?
01:17:37
Speaker
Like my expectations were exactly where they needed to be, which is why I had a good time with it. Like you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself. The first thing that Kevin Smith did without Scott Mosher. Yeah. Buckle in, motherfucker. Like what ride do you think you're taking? Right. Another one of those, you know, great checks and balances partnerships there. Absafuckinlutely. Yeah.
01:17:59
Speaker
In third place or in fourth place rather down from three the week before in its 11th week in theaters with a seven hundred and seven million dollar box office so far and counting Jimmy Cameron's Avatar. I saw that as the movie theater. I did, too. I saw that one in IMAX 3D. But you know what? Nobody saw the second one.
01:18:26
Speaker
It's the second movie made a shit ton of money though for a movie that no one saw. It's a conspiracy, Steven. It's a conspiracy, man. Like I said, I don't know anybody who gives a fuck about that movie. And I know a lot of people who give a fuck about movies.
01:18:43
Speaker
Nobody cares, man. Nobody cares.
Young Adult Films and Oscar Wins
01:18:46
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In fifth place, a movie that could have absolutely been discussed in this podcast, but for its regrettable sequel, Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Colin, the lightning thief. I'm so glad that it got a sequel because there are a few things that I'm less interested in than shitty YA movies. Hmm. Like I'm cool with some decent YA movies like Throw a Hunger Games My Way. All right, whatever.
01:19:13
Speaker
Like I've had worse times about a YA movie, you know, which one is it? Well, I'll tell you after we're done. Can you do it in sign language? You know, sign language, Stephen, do you ASL? I don't. Oh, it's too bad. Yeah, that's hello, I guess. That's one way to say hello. I just did semaphore, dude. Oh, he's typing. He's typing. What is it?
01:19:41
Speaker
Wait, is that that's the movie? Yeah, I don't even know what the fuck that is. You're there it is. So I have zero expectations, you know, so maybe, you know, that gives me a clean slate to watch the movie on so I can appreciate it and shit on it for its merits and faults. But do you see what I was trying to do there with my semaphore? I did, Stephen. Good job. Thank you. It just looks like a regular wave, though.
01:20:09
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Rounding out the top ten. It wasn't it was on the line
01:20:15
Speaker
Rounding out the top 10, we have Valentine's Day and number six. I think that's a Gary Marshall movie in seventh place. Dear John, which I'm pretty sure is a Nicholas Sparks movie in a place. Future episode of this podcast, Benicio del Toro's The Wolfman, directed by Joe Johnson. I hated that movie, surprisingly. We don't talk about it one day, man. But no, I hated it because of what it could have been.
01:20:42
Speaker
Like I watched it. There's so many missed opportunities where they were they were they were almost there. Steven, it's such a frustrating movie. I'm sorry. I can't wait to talk about it because boy, I've got a lot to say about that. I would never have guessed that you would have a lot to say about anything in ninth place. The Tooth Fairy. What if the Rock was the Tooth Fairy and in 10th place from a holdover from the year before an Oscar player, Jeff Bridges is final or
01:21:12
Speaker
First Oscar win finally gets one is what I'm trying to say. Crazy. Get on with it, Steven. Crazy heart. The way he's got the he's on the cover and he's got the guitar. Did you ever see that? I didn't know. Yeah, me neither. I have no idea what it's about. I don't know anybody that's seen it. The song when they won the Oscar, though, and so did Jeff Bridges. So good for him. I think it's on my voodoo, though. Probably. Probably. You got a lot of stuff on your voodoo.
01:21:37
Speaker
Stops that I have no interest in, yeah. People are just giving me codes blindly for a couple years there. So there's just some people giving me codes and I'd be like, I don't know what this is, but let's see. Anyway, Tomatometer. Tomatometer score for The Crazies is a 71%.
The Crazies: Final Review and Promotion
01:21:54
Speaker
That's fair. The Crazies is tense, nicely shot, and uncommonly intelligent. The Crazies is a horror remake that unusually works.
01:22:05
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The meta score is a 56 based on mixed or average reviews from 31 critics and the letterbox score is a 3.0 Tucker out of five stars. How are you rating? 2010s the crazies
01:22:24
Speaker
This gets a four for me. Had it not been a remake of something, it would have been a three and a half, but it gets an extra star just because it's such a good example of what I think a remake should be. And it gets it. It did get a three from me, but again, all that repetition knocked it down a half star, so it gets a two and a half from me. I can dig it. The original gets a three and a half. I like the original quite a bit, but oh, geez, a five for me. Hmm.
01:22:52
Speaker
There are things about that movie I hate, but the things I hate about it are also what makes it great. If that makes any fucking sense. Makes perfect sense to me. Absolutely. I get it, man. I do 100 percent. But yeah, that is our.
01:23:06
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episode covering the 2010 remake of The Crazies and dare I say it, the end of our fourth annual spooky thon. That's it. We did all our Patreon stuff. We had the Exorcist thing. That was our Patreon thing this month, right? Yeah, it was. Well, shit.
01:23:25
Speaker
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01:23:53
Speaker
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01:24:19
Speaker
Only on our Patreon. You can only hear that on our Patreon. Even if you're friends with me, like when Jimmy did, I paid Jimmy to do the theme song for what are we watching? And he's like, just send me the episode. And I'm like, man, you're not a patron. I just kind of send you a snippet where your song is, dude. Can't fuck around. Sorry. I wish I could. That's it. My best friend. That's my best friend.
01:24:41
Speaker
Stephen pays for he doesn't listen. That's right. That's what it is. But yeah, you know, so we so yeah, head on over there. Yeah, you've been you've been basically demanding we cover the Rage Carry two since before you were even a host on the show.
01:25:00
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01:25:33
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01:25:37
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01:25:49
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01:26:19
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01:26:48
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01:27:17
Speaker
I'm your host, Steven Foxworthy. You can find me on Instagram letterboxed blue sky. And yeah, that's it at Chewy Walrus. What happened to what happened to threads, man? You still on threads? Oh, man, I'm out on threads. What about what was that one that was like called like macho or something? Mastodon.
01:27:40
Speaker
tumultuous. Yeah. There you go. Mastodon. Yeah. What's that all about? I didn't I didn't I didn't last long at all. I'm keeping a running list of all these social media pages that you joined and then like abandon immediately. Once Twitter like went to the dark side, like unabashedly, I got the fuck out
Social Media and Podcast Updates
01:28:00
Speaker
of there. And so I've been trying to find a new home and blue sky feels like that might be the place.
01:28:07
Speaker
Very cool. But yeah, so that's what are you on socials these days? I'm on YouTube as always. You know, you can check out my music and some old 45s that I've digitized for preservation purposes as well on my YouTube channel. I'm also on the Insta scams.
01:28:34
Speaker
Both of those at Iced 909, I-C-E-N-I-N-E. I was about to ask if you said the name or not, because I don't remember here again. The number zero and the number nine. And also on Instagram is the Tuckbugs page, which we've been doing actually some more restructuring.
01:28:58
Speaker
recently in the staff. It's it's like, look, we feel like we find good people and they do good work. And then something about having too many good people in one place, the interpersonal relationships, they get messy. So people have to go, you know, it's it's been an emotional week. It's you really just need to stop flirting with the interns is really what it comes down to. It's been an emotional week at Tuck mugs. OK, look, people fall in love with me, Steven.
01:29:28
Speaker
All right. There's nothing I can do about that. Won't post to do about that. I'm just over here being me. Anyway, we had to do some restructuring and tuck mugs, but I feel like we're going to be coming back strong sometime this week. Um, little known fact, my birthday is in just a few days as of time of recording. That is by the time you hear this, it will have passed. Um, but.
01:29:55
Speaker
I'll probably post something pretty special that day. Okay. So look out for that. I've been working with the team to see what's, what's going to be the best. What's going to really surf that fucking algorithm to reach as many people as possible. I've got my people on it. Don't worry. And we'll see in a few days, tuck mugs that's tuck underscore mugs on instagram.
Conclusion of Spookython Event
01:30:22
Speaker
Alright and our friend Brett Wright is on blue sky at sus warlock and on instagram and letterbox at sus underscore warlock and that is all we have for
01:30:37
Speaker
This year's Spookython. Guys, thank you so much for being a part of it. It's our favorite tradition and our most enduring tradition, and we do love it so much. So thank you for joining us for Spookython. We will return to regularly scheduled programming next week. I am your host, Stephen Fox. Were they for my co-hosts?
01:30:59
Speaker
Tucker and the absent Brett Wright until next time We're going off the rails on a crazy train Going off the rails on a crazy train