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Open Mic 19: Acefield Retro
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On this episode of Open Mic, The MVP chats it up with the workhorse of the Turnbuckle Tavern crew, Acefield Retro! We talk about how he was discovered by the Tavern, his work as a ring announcer for Remarkable Wrestling, the creation of "No Sell Studio", having the passion for pro wrestling, and much more!
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Transcript
Introduction & Pod Foundation Overview
00:00:21
Speaker
who the hell told you tonight was open mic night welcome back everyone to another episode
00:00:41
Speaker
of Open Mic with the MVP Marco. I am, of course, your host, the MVP Marco. And before I get to my next guest, obviously I gotta do the plugs. I gotta plug the Pod Foundation, the greatest collection of podcasters, not even just wrestling podcasters, just podcasters in general, content creators. We get it locked on every single aspect of your life, literally every single day of the week.
00:01:08
Speaker
Um, you can listen to us. You don't need to listen to any other podcasts out there or check out any other social medias. Just keep it locked into the pod foundation. Obviously, uh, that's chick Foley, the chick Foley show with myself, Seth Jordan, and chick Foley herself, Sheena Phelps. Um, we also have coming down the aisle with J bone.
00:01:31
Speaker
He's a great guy. I'm on a show with him, actually. The next thing I'm going to say is the Tramuckle Tavern. They're pretty much the ones that have a show every single week. We try to keep up with everybody. But they're the workhorses of the Pod Foundation.
00:01:47
Speaker
I'm also on their feet as well the raw down Every Thursday at 8 o'clock p.m. EST and then Friday we drop the audio of that So definitely watch on Thursday listen on Friday if you haven't got enough for this this beautiful voice I mean if you if you haven't that's that's totally fine, but if you have I appreciate it I appreciate all all the support whether it be positive negative, you know, what have you and
00:02:16
Speaker
But on to the last member of the pod foundation, that's Extra Cooler, Nick, along with Matt and the Survivor Series team. They just came back from a hiatus. They have their new episode out. They cover, I believe, it's Cactus Jack and Vader.
00:02:34
Speaker
at Halloween Havoc. So definitely check that out. Go to at Pod Foundation on IG. That's where you get all the updates of everything that's happening with the Pod Foundation members. That's back up and running. It did take a hiatus as well. But just we'll pull the curtain. I ran that IG. Couldn't get in for some reason. Couldn't remember the password to it.
00:03:00
Speaker
You know, I G is with like, you know, try to figure out who you are and all that stuff. So kind of gave up and then try it out again. And guess what? We're back in now will be updated every week with all the happening. So just go right to pod foundation on IG for all the updates. Now, let's bring in my guest. My guest is actually a part of the.
Guest Introduction: Acefield Retro
00:03:19
Speaker
of the Pod Foundation, specifically the Turnbuckle Tavern. And I call the Turnbuckle Tavern the workhorses of the Pod Foundation, but this individual in particular might be the workhorse of the Turnbuckle Tavern and all of the Pod Foundation, if
00:03:38
Speaker
if you want to put it that way. There's an argument for anyone else within the group, but this gentleman definitely puts in a lot of work on every single show that he's on. He does things outside of the podcasting, and we'll definitely get to that. So let me bring in my guest for this evening, Acefield Retro.
00:04:01
Speaker
What's up, Marco? Thanks for having me on, dude. Yeah, no problem, man. I was talking to you a little bit before this. This is definitely one of my checklists. I try to get everybody in the Turnbuckle Tavern and the Pod Foundation. You were next in line. It's been long overdue.
00:04:16
Speaker
I appreciate the kind words on the intro and, you know, likewise the pod foundation wouldn't be what it is without all its equal parts. And, uh, just want to thank everybody for the support always. And I noticed the pod foundation Instagram is back up and popping. We want to, it's hard to keep everybody updated. Cause like you said, we have shows dropping multiple times a day, sometimes with everyone included. So.
00:04:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah, especially with like I said with the with the turnbuckle tavern and the you know It seems like you know, you have your staple, you know, your main shows your flagship shows Um, you know, we kind of our shows are individually kind of creeping up there i'm not you know, i'm not saying the flagship show, isn't it? But you know brace for impact the raw down there, you know, they're creeping up And uh in the turnbuckle feed so but yeah, I mean you have that you have wrestling tonight you have fig night
00:05:00
Speaker
just just everything i mean i'm waiting for uh hopefully broken vcr comes back at some point that'd be that'd be something to uh look forward to and then obviously with the chick foley side of things we're starting to do you know more shows like me i have this show obviously you have seph and jordan with the pod warriors and now with the nfl season the the goal line going so we just need shina to get a
00:05:20
Speaker
Need her to do a show that I'm not sure. Not, not, not the Chick-fil-A show, but her own separate show. We'll see, see if we can get her to do it. Yeah. Just a separate of wrestling when they can talk about
Acefield's Podcasting Passion
00:05:30
Speaker
life on the farm. I mean, that's always one of the more interesting parts of the, the Chicky Quickies that they drop in. It's always a fantastic listen. Cause I think everybody we're on such different places in the United States and even sometimes out of the country, everyone's bringing a different perspective to their wrestling fandom and otherwise. So it's really cool.
00:05:45
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like I said, you're the workhorse, like I say, of the turnbuckle tavern. You're on multiple shows, obviously, but then if someone needs a hot tag to come into a show, you're definitely there. Do you just love talking wrestling? Do you share that passion? Does it ever get boring to you?
00:06:08
Speaker
Uh, I wouldn't say good sport. I mean, there's times where, you know, if it ever feels like it's a chore, it's because it's not as driven as conversation. My, my most fun I have done on the shows is the shows that are really focused on whether it be a specific event, a specific show, uh, like shot nostalgia is my favorite to do because of the fact it's so driven.
00:06:26
Speaker
in context and like of course I love the retro watch along but it's also really fun to go back and dive deep into the newsletters and see the financials behind things and why decisions were made and kind of seeing the precursor like we're reading the newsletters from 1987 and seeing like the next newsletter about to drop when we do the show is about Kurt Hennig coming over to WWF and what that means and how much it's like hurting everybody else so it's so cool to see those names drop and like almost predict the future in hindsight so long story short I do enjoy podcasting
00:06:56
Speaker
You know, wouldn't be as fun without the guys that we do with. I love working with Colton and Mike and Chad, of course, but everyone in the Tavern and Pot Foundation is awesome.
00:07:03
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. And I was actually going to bring up a shot of nostalgia, because I do love the fact that you you actually go back into and you like you said, you read the business, the business side of things, depending on what the topic is and stuff like that and what that meant. And it's almost like it's your your obviously it's not happening now, but it gives that feeling of like, you know, something brand new. You're like, oh, man, because now we have that, you know, back then we
00:07:29
Speaker
weren't really reading finance. I wasn't anyway. I was more interested in the product more than anything. But now when we're doing podcasting and things like that, now you can go back and you can actually see the financials and see the business side of things and why they made these decisions. You can actually bring that into the entertainment part of it. And I do love the fact that you
00:07:52
Speaker
that you do that. That's a piece I think is missing from a lot of wrestling podcasts besides the ones that are done by the legends. But yeah, of course. Building the context is so huge for us. I mean, we could sit there and enjoy the product because some of the stuff we've already watched and I think the most recent episode we did
00:08:10
Speaker
was the precursor to WrestleMania three. And everybody's familiar with that card, obviously Hogan and Andre and Ricky steamer first match a man. We all enjoy the pop and circumstance that happened at the Silverdome that night. You had understanding the stuff that went on before that beforehand and how not guaranteed it was that under the giant was even going to be able to compete that night and conversations in the newsletter about they're making contingency plans for that. And that's something you don't consider. Obviously, Andre was beat up and he was at the end of the rope as far as competing goes. But looking at really them laying the
00:08:38
Speaker
the map out for Paul Orndorff potentially getting that match in the main event and talking about the butterfly effect about what would have changed and is the business exactly where it was? Is it true dramatic to say that WWF is not where it is or WWE is not where it is because Andre didn't get slammed by Hogan? That's the type of conversations I love having because if it's not right place, right time, we can be looking at a completely different business that we're all a fan of.
00:09:01
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. You know, like the butterfly effect, as they call it, or just a ripple in time. If, like you said, that never happens. That body slam doesn't, that's the thing that they show right at the beginning of all their, you know, their product now. So like, that's the staple of, of WWE. That slam, if that slam doesn't happen, yeah, you're right. Where does, what is, does WWE exist? Does wrestling exist? Is it, are we still looking at territories? It will definitely, I definitely want to get into like, you know,
00:09:29
Speaker
It's not really territories, but now you've seen like a lot of local wrestling organizations pop up. I started talking about a little bit on my show, Chaotic Wrestling, that's in my area. If you go on their website, they actually have like, they started an alumni page, and it's pretty insane the amount of people that came up or have wrestled in that organization. You have like MJF, Cody Rhodes, Sasha Banks,
00:09:56
Speaker
I think Kofi was in it at one time. Carmelo Hayes, who was casting over when he was before his name changed and stuff. But do you see that? I mean, you're in the scene. We'll kind of skip to it.
Wrestling Scene & Social Media
00:10:11
Speaker
I'm going to kind of skip ahead. You're kind of in that scene now. Do you see that as a thing that's happening? Not really territories, but more local driven
00:10:20
Speaker
uh organizations that aren't like traveling you know state lines they're staying within that state and putting on shows like it seems like every week on my end anyway seems like there's a show literally every week or every other week is that the same do you see that happening i mean definitely wrestling is in a boom period right now just to touch upon the massachusetts area to me i mean i worked a show uh a month a month and a half ago regret pro wrestling i'll be working with them again coming up
00:10:43
Speaker
in a few weeks, but the Massachusetts area is a hotbed for professional wrestling, whether it be wrestling open for beyond or even go to Maine with limitless. They're just, I mean, the crowd is passionate. The town is over the top talented. Uh, so that is an area that is a hotbed for people are traveling from even New York, Jersey, you know, elsewhere to get to that, you know, in, whether it be Worcester or elsewhere in that area, like rad program out of Amesbury, but the crowd is just so passionate and they just love wrestling. So, you know, they're having rest of all at the end of
00:11:12
Speaker
at the end of December. So they're going to have a three day festival of wrestling, which is a celebration. But as far as like wrestling goes, as far as you could find an independent show.
00:11:23
Speaker
pretty much anywhere driving distance every, every single weekend. And sometimes multiple shows in a day. Uh, I think the underbelly of wrestling is very healthy. If you look at the talent underneath, you could look at some of the talent you'd see in a local promotion, you go, you know, 10 minutes from your house. There's some of the most talented guys that we're lucky as fans to have that right now. And I'm certainly lucky to work closely with some of the most talented guys on Long Island, New York. I mean, names that come to mind, Gabriel Sky, Tristan, Ty Desmond Cole.
00:11:49
Speaker
Dominic De Niro, these guys are names that people are going to be hearing somewhere down the line and you're getting to see them grow as performers. And just the level of talent compared to where it used to be. I've been a wrestling fan for a long time, but seeing the access we have to really quality matches on a weekend basis is just fascinating to me. It's an amazing time to be a wrestling fan.
00:12:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah, definitely. Just to add on to that, it's, you know, definitely, I had heal Liz on, well, that episode didn't drop yet. So, but it will soon, but we talked about, you know, she's, she's, you know, running the, like, kind of like the SoCal area for, you know, for independent wrestling. And we taught, we
00:12:28
Speaker
We talk in length about that, like her involvement and stuff like that, you know, you know, being a referee in some of the matches, you know, doing announcing, get involved in some of the matches and stuff like that. And I know obviously you, you do a lot. Is that something that you would consider do? Are you going to basically, are you going to take a bump at any point? Do you think?
00:12:46
Speaker
It's been discussed for sure. I was in the rumble back in February where I was eliminated, but untouched. I had to take the cowardly way out. But it's definitely being discussed down the line during practice. I've stepped foot in the ring. I'm not taking bumps at all, but the guys kind of are yearning for it. I think they've asked me to do things with me and want that to happen. But I'm going to be 35 years old this January. So I
00:13:10
Speaker
I'm not sure if that's that my time has passed as far as being an active competitor. But who is to say I won't take a bump and be out cold for the rest of the night because that's what the announcers do. You got to sell it like a champ.
00:13:22
Speaker
Oh yeah, definitely. If you go to her page, she actually took a light tube to somebody's head. I asked her, how'd that go? Did they ask you to do it? Or did they give you any tips? They were just like, no, do you want to do it? And I was like, yeah. And then they just went out there and she's like, I try to be as careful as possible. If you see it, she just goes over the top. She doesn't go across or anything.
00:13:46
Speaker
Right. But, uh, she said it was pretty, uh, it was pretty, uh, gnarly seeing, seeing that happen. I was like, I never spoke to anyone that had anyone, anybody else with a light tube. So that was pretty, uh, crazy, but yeah, I see that. I mean, you, you do a lot of announcing and stuff like that. Um, so I figured, you know, maybe down the line, you're gonna not, not, you know, strap on the boots and, you know, do it like a 60 minute Broadway or anything like that. But like, you know, um, do you ever get the, like.
00:14:15
Speaker
Do you ever get that feeling like when you're in ring do the announcement like what's that like what's that rush feel like?
00:14:21
Speaker
Well, I mean, so the biggest itch is to take a bump. Like when they had the crash pad in the ring and all the guys are doing flips and springboards and things, I just want to get up there and do it. Then I'm like, I think twice and don't want to hurt myself. And, uh, but in the ring, the rush in front of the crowd, like when I first did it, I was nervous beyond belief. It was something that I just took a jump and decided to, you know, reach out to remarkable wrestling or reach out to a few schools just to see like, if anyone's in need of a ring announcer, and by the way, they are. So if you guys are interested in doing something like that,
00:14:49
Speaker
referees, ring announcers, just interviewers, things like that. There's a need in pro wrestling for that. So if you're interested in any capacity, just take the jump two feet in and try to figure out how you can make it happen. But the first time I did it, I had just messaged a few and Kono from Remarkable Wrestling got back to me. He's the one that runs the account. And he said, just show up to the school and you can have a tryout. So in front of
00:15:12
Speaker
all the guys I had to just he gave me a rundown of these practice matches and I had to just kind of show out and there will be a year probably for the next Halloween show the first show I had it's like the post over my shoulder for the haunted Halloween Havoc event that was my first event and you know it was just kind of baptism by fire figure it out and over time it's gotten better but
00:15:32
Speaker
Uh, it's one of those things you don't know until you try it, but it is, there is a rush every time you step in for that ring. It's to me, it's a, it's a holy ground, uh, really for a wrestling fan to be there. And the ring that we work on in, in, in what W C or that running for my first show and a few shows that we ran, that's the original ring from ECW. That's the ring that they use in ECW. And that entrance ramp is from ECW, the original brick, uh, because Mikey Wipperack was influential in starting that school. So I'm really standing on hollowed, spiritual ground.
00:15:59
Speaker
That's insane. That's nerve wracking in itself. Just knowing that you kind of have like the presence or like kind of like the spirit of ECW. For sure. I mean, there's a huge thing like this area of New York, there's a lot of influence from ECW in the fallout of where everybody went. And Mikey Wiprick has such a huge influence on this scene, MYWC.
00:16:21
Speaker
eventually what became what it is now and what they've turned out. They've turned out superstar to superstar, whether it be Cardona, you know, Willow Nightingale recently and talk about John Reynolds. I mean, Alex Reynolds and John Silver. So like my WC continues to create stars. But you're right. I mean, looking at like when I first walked through, I had to touch the brick wall because I'm like, this is the original one. Everyone's like, yes, so what? But they like they have seen it. But for me, I was like, this is amazing.
00:16:45
Speaker
That's crazy. Just mean, I mean, that's a, it's, it's history. Yeah. Whether it was, I guess, you know, it is what it was. It, the impact that it, that it had, I mean, it was a short run for obviously for ECW, but, uh, just the impact and head on wrestling. Um, yeah, that's definitely, uh, like you said, that's, that's a sacred, uh, thing that that brick wall there.
00:17:05
Speaker
Dude, I'm such a nerd, too, for that stuff. Like when I went to Fenway Park, I know you're familiar with Sox fan and Wrigley Field. Like those things, if those walls could talk, I'm such a huge fan of of just history leading buildings and just what what they've seen. And, you know, my heart was broken when the Yankees tore down there, you know, the original Yankee Stadium and that type of stuff. I mean, you can't replicate history. And that's like what I'm I mean, baseball is a huge thing for me as well. But history is huge for me, especially in, you know, all facets. And why would you erase that? You know,
00:17:35
Speaker
Yeah, definitely not that that's you know, Jay bone when he got traveled up here during the summer To see if the Yankees are playing the Red Sox.
Baseball Comparisons & Dream Matches
00:17:44
Speaker
Yeah, he's got smack that damn. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so he yeah, we met we met up earlier and like the the restaurant we were at it's on it's on Lansdowne Street so like literally you sit you sit at your table if you look out the window you can see the
00:17:59
Speaker
like the wall, the green monster. There's like, you can also see people sitting up there drinking and stuff like that. They get ready for the game. But, um, yeah, he was, he was pretty, uh, he was pretty stoked that he got to actually see, you know, and actually, you know, enter the feelings about that. I'm like, you know, be it whatever, you know, whoever you are, like if you're a fan of
00:18:17
Speaker
It doesn't matter. Like I want to go to other, I want to go to Wrigley Field, definitely at some point. Definitely want to go to Yankee Stadium. Um, just to just experience, like experience that, that, that type of thing. It doesn't matter. Like whatever rivalries and stuff like that, it's, it's more or less like history and be able to be like, yeah, I was, I actually set foot in that place. That's, that's all I want to really want to say.
00:18:37
Speaker
Yeah, honestly, for me, it's a huge thing. I just think history, and we talk about this all the time on Wrestling Tonight about what WWE has over everybody. You can't replicate history. They have the benefit of being around for all these years where they can lean on their past and bring back legends and talk about the lineage of the Intercontinental Championship. It means something. But we were just talking about on Shot Nostalgia. We were talking about the tag team tournament that they did on a one-off as a Crockett Cup imitation called the Frank Tunney.
00:19:05
Speaker
Uh, tournament and it was this tag team tournament was supposed to be this thing that was lineage driven and they want to keep it forever in 1987 and never happened again. So I think about the same thing with the own heart tournament. Like if 20 years from now, this might be the most prestigious tournament that we know. And right now people look at it as like, uh, does it really mean anything? You get this fake belt? Who cares? But like 20 years down the line, it might have all this prestige thinking about all that came before it. So it just takes time. Yeah. I'm hoping that by that time, uh,
00:19:34
Speaker
they you know the the you know WWE and you know his family come to some term of agreement and they can work with the AW as well if that's still the case and they can you know kind of bring that I think that's what obviously you know that's that's a piece that's missing his his career was in WWE true that whole that whole thing we're missing right now obviously you go to the stampede and New Japan and all that stuff but
00:19:56
Speaker
the core of his, you know, fan base was WWE. And I'm hoping, like you said, if it is like, you know, that tournament does become procedures down the line. Like maybe at some point they could all work together and kind of give, give him as just do in that sense. So it would be awesome for wrestling to work together altogether. And who knows what the new leadership team with TKO, if that, if they have a different line that
00:20:19
Speaker
maybe they have a different mindset about looking at the business, but I think that's where wrestling has become the strongest when different companies work together and lift each other up. And as long as there's not this insecurity that someone's going to put each other out of business. And I think over time, the Monday net wars have like PTSD for Vince McMahon. He doesn't want to help anybody. But I think wrestling, I mean, can you imagine a super show what that would do for wrestling? If you had this super show with all the major, the major American promotions working together, it's a pipe dream, but
00:20:46
Speaker
to think about the dream matches of potentially Roman Reigns and Kenny Omega representing their brands or it's just, that would be amazing. That would create another, you want to talk about a boom period, take it above that if WWE and AEW work together. Yeah, like it doesn't have to be like a, you know, it doesn't have to be like a multiple pay. It could be like a once a year thing. It could be once every like five years they do, like something where they can obviously, because they need to plan and, you know, make sure you're on the business side, they have to, you know, do all that stuff.
00:21:14
Speaker
That'd be crazy if they can actually, you know, set something up or it's just like one One thing that they do like once a year or like I said, but like every other year, you know every two years something where you know, just to give us fans that that one that one moment of like like I said seeing their top star versus their top star because obviously with AW we get to see a lot of different dream matches and stuff like that and
00:21:38
Speaker
But, you know, obviously the real dream matches are the biggest stars from the two biggest companies essentially like going at it like man, a Seth Rollins versus like Will Ospreay or Seth Rollins versus like even Orange Cassidy might be crazy. Like just to think of just to think of that as a wrestling fan is like insane. Like I can't even like.
00:22:00
Speaker
describe it like it's, it'd be, it'd be pretty wild to see that happen. Hopefully like you said, you know, with the new management and stuff like that, it's, uh, they take a different approach when it comes to for now, we'll get to enjoy a W and impact working together, impact and working together. And I think the inroads of wrestling realized that, you know, it's cliche, but a rising tide lifts all ships and WWE can help more than hurt anybody. I think they're too big to sink yet. This point there.
00:22:26
Speaker
You know, they're at this point, they're at the top of the heap looking down at everybody and they already have guaranteed money with this TV deal coming in and all the broadcasting rights. So why not help the wrestling business at large? Yeah, I'll say this. I mean, the wildest thing that I seen on WWE television was Chris Jericho.
00:22:44
Speaker
on Broken Skull Sessions. And he signed AEW. He had a book at the time, I have it. On the cover of the book, they show the cover, he's holding the AEW World Championship. And that was like, that right there, I think Jericho, Christian, those guys can be that like, they can be that bridge between WWE. But I think they're in the, I mean,
00:23:10
Speaker
for Jericho anyway, it seems like he's in the sense of like, you know, team AEW, let's get, you know, let's get them to where they need to be. And then I think like, I think he feels like he's at a point where he can, you know, reach back in like, kind of, you know, bridge that gap between W. I think, I think it's a possibility. I think he's that guy to do it personally. I think Jericho is that, that guy that could go
00:23:34
Speaker
You know, let's make this happen. Talk to Tony, you know, talk to whoever about Triple H, whoever is going to be in charge down the line. And I think you can make it happen, man. I don't know with larger conflicts that made it work. It's I mean, there's inroads throughout the 80s and 90s and 2000s where there's promotions that hate each other working together. And we saw this like, you know, altogether now show with all Japanese promotions. Yep. You know, pro wrestling, no, a new Japan pro wrestling and and
00:23:59
Speaker
all Japan working together and they historically don't like each other. So they made it work. So I think WWE and AW eventually not saying next year, but within the next five, 10 years, I think it's a possibility more so than ever. Yeah.
No Sell Studios & Turnbuckle Tavern
00:24:11
Speaker
Let's, um, let's switch gears. No cell studios. Before I forget, I want to, I want to learn more about this because I see that obviously it's in your bio. Um, where did this, where did this come from? Where did it start? How'd you get the, uh, the plan going for this?
00:24:25
Speaker
So paired with my responsibilities as ring announcing with remarkable and the opportunity to do all the stuff I do with them behind the scenes, I make the graphics for the match card for remarkable wrestling. And I wanted to have a subsidiary of something else where I could kind of put my stamp on making graphics for whether it be podcasters or other wrestling promotions. So No Cell Studio became that. And I named, you know, where I podcast No Cell Studio tongue in cheek to do the intro, saying live from No Cell Studios. It's Ace of Tavern, Ace of Retro.
00:24:55
Speaker
Uh, just to have a place, a home. Uh, I just think that it's really awesome to have, you know, a spot that you call. And I just liked the no sell studios. And really the name came from, uh, my cat Don, who would stay in this room with me while I podcast. He was an older cat. So he wanted to be by me all the time. Yeah. He would jump on my lap and I'd be wearing shorts and he would grip his nails on my legs. And my girlfriend would say, uh,
00:25:18
Speaker
You know, you always know, sell it. And I was like, yeah, it's because you would like literally scratch balls laying on me. And I was like, it's like the no cell studio. And it just came came to me like that. But it's about the graphics, really. And I have a price sheet on my Instagram at no cell studio. So if anyone is interested in whether it be podcast graphics, I do a lot of the podcasting graphics for Turnbuckle Tavern for the only one I don't make in the show I do is wrestling tonight, which Chad takes over. He's so great at that. Yeah. Brace for impact. I also do the shot nostalgia one. I was making the AW wrap up on I've made
00:25:47
Speaker
graphics for other podcasters that's reached out. It's affordable pricing, so if you're looking to bring some pizzazz or make a new logo, definitely not Nick from Extra Cooler, but I'm definitely able to use some awesome stuff. Nick is next level. That's the Roman reigns of graphic design.
00:26:05
Speaker
Yeah, I see that. I see that he posted that he did a a new graphic for you there. That was that was that was pretty awesome. How he he he's amazing with like his different like art styles. Yeah. You never know if it's him or not. Like I did. I seen it at a quick glance. I'm like, oh, and then I see, you know, that he posts. I was like, that does not look like he doesn't have like a signature style. Like he could do literally anything which is insane.
00:26:30
Speaker
Yeah, so I gave him the quick turnaround. By the way, if you guys are looking to get something done by extra cooler, reach out to him. I'm not sure what his books look like for the rest of the fall and the winter, but shoot your shot because that dude is the best. I mean, if you want a shirt that has, you know, being cosigned by FDR who rocks to his gear.
00:26:47
Speaker
And all that but the turnaround I was so quick I had this idea because I have the show in Massachusetts coming up on 10 21 and I do these, you know, victory pro wrestling they're nice enough to let me do the media tables there to give out stickers and sell things there for promotion the tavern and Acefield retro the brand.
00:27:04
Speaker
But I wanted to have a shirt and everyone keeps asking, can you print shirts? I'll buy a shirt. And that's something that has been asked at these merch tables. And I didn't want to just print the Acefield Retro logo on it. I feel like I wanted something special. So I wanted to put the small logo on the pocket, which is Acefield Retro. And I took away the wrestling podcast thing because Acefield Retro is just more than that now for me.
00:27:24
Speaker
and I put the logo on the back. So I'm gonna be selling those at any live event you guys find me at, 20 bucks within reason, black shirt with the cool design. And I think it looks awesome. I mean, I got some good feedback and Nick crushes it always.
00:27:37
Speaker
Oh yeah, definitely. If I reach out to him to do some updates on my logos, the MVP wanted an open mic. Definitely very thankful for the Chads giving me that. That was awesome that they actually gave me a logo first and foremost. And then they helped me out with the open mic logo, which is pretty awesome as well. But yeah, I didn't know that you did the graphic work for
00:28:06
Speaker
that, uh, that organization, that's pretty, that's pretty wild. Is that, is that something that you, did you offer that that they ask you to do it? Like, so the person that was doing it, I think was backlogged on something we're doing and they needed a quick turnaround. And I just mentioned to Kono, Hey, I could make graphics. If you want me to, I make the graphics for some of these shows. And he said, all right, practice making something. So the first one I did, I believe was for danger zone, but.
00:28:31
Speaker
He loved it. And then now I've been making the logos. I did a SummerSlam 97 inspired show for Space to the Place this summer. So I actually completely duplicated the whole poster with instead of putting taker in the background, I put the big booth of Desmond Cole looming over Gabriel Sky, who's playing the role of Bret Hart there. And just he gives me the freedom to do that stuff. And that's what I feel like I thrive doing that type of stuff that I can be creative for the February show.
00:28:57
Speaker
with the, we did the war games match. He let me do the survivor series 2002 type of feel with all the boxes for the elimination chamber. But it was out of a need and like he, the creativity he allows me to do it. Now it's like free reign. Like he texts me and says, you know, I need these posters. And I think he appreciates the quick turnaround. Cause like,
00:29:15
Speaker
I'll do it within a day. Like if he needs to change because as independent wrestling goes, someone pulls out, someone gets sick, something changes. And you need to have that quick turnaround for these match graphics because it's so important to hype up the shows. And if you don't have accurate graphics, then you kind of lost in the sauce and you want to make sure you're advertising over and over again to get people in the door.
00:29:35
Speaker
I was going to say, how long does that take? Is it a process that you have to go through to get these done? Like you said, it's a quick turnaround, but obviously, what's the timeframe for doing something like that?
00:29:52
Speaker
So I try to get in advance. So I have the calendar of events I know coming up. So I've been working on the Halloween poster for quite some time. It's going to be based on an old WCW poster. So you guys can check that out once it posts at remarkable underscore wrestling. But it could probably take me, you know, three, four days to really like to craft the poster out together. And then what I mean by quick turnaround is if someone pulls out of the show, I pretty much have high resolution photos of everyone that could potentially be involved. If not, I could just Google it off their Instagram or whatever.
00:30:18
Speaker
Yeah. And pop them in quick and send it right over this way that can be updated. So it could take upwards of a week. And then it's always a work in progress. This match gets announced. This person's now coming to the show. The time changes, the venue. Like there anything that can change. You've got to make sure you have that document as a living document because it's never said so and it never is. That's true. I mean, some subjects may change 100 percent. Yeah, hard subject change for sure. Yeah. So it does. It does happen. So, yeah, that's that's that's that's awesome that they, you know,
00:30:47
Speaker
They have you to, you know, reach out to. Does the other person still do the graphics for it or did you just completely take over? Well, he does the graphics for his own promotion. Like I don't think, I mean, it kind of took it off his plate, but it's similar to the ring announcing the refereeing and the other backstage type of stuff. There's a need for that and for wrestling. Like if you are looking to help out at your local indie, like just show up and help set up the ring or ask how you could help. They always need an extra set of hands. So.
00:31:15
Speaker
If you're looking to get involved in the business in some way, just show up and reach out. Like, I mean, it's one of the more welcoming, welcoming type of work that I've ever seen. Everyone has been fantastic. And it's just, it's family, like the remarkable wrestling crew is family to me. And they're just, you know, I've been working them for a year now. They're just, they welcomed me with open arms and the growth that I've seen in them and hopefully they've seen in me has been immense.
00:31:40
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. That's funny that you brought that up because Justin, the wrestling classic, brought that up on our show. I think towards the end of the show, he started talking about how he got into meeting people and stuff like that. He said that was one of the things he would do. Local wrestling promotions, he would reach out, make friends.
00:32:01
Speaker
with those guys, interview them, do backstage interviews, what have you. Just like you said, that's probably the best way to get into it is talking to your local wrestling promoters. You might not have to be a referee or do something, but you can promote for them on your... 100%. You can have them on.
00:32:22
Speaker
like i've if i ever reach out to like chaotic wrestling i can you know say hey i'm looking at you you know i can promote you you can promote me or whatever and i can have your your your guys and gals on my show we could do like you know i have a show called little mike we can do one-on-one interviews uh that type of stuff so like he said there is ways to do it and you just get like you said you're just gonna go out and do it you said you said they're more than welcome to the lab
00:32:43
Speaker
Uh, to help out cause you know, they need as much promotion as, as anybody. And the biggest thing is reliability too. Just making sure that you're always there when you say you're going to do it or whatever you say you're going to do, you do. Uh, that's, you know, I mean, that's every field of work being reliable and consistent, but more so in wrestling where if you are showing up being on time, being prompt is one of the best attributes you could have. And, uh, I've recognized that that's something that goes a long way where I say I'm going to be somewhere. That's where I'm going to be.
00:33:10
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Let's let's let me go to. Actually, we'll skip to the not really the beginning, but we'll go with. We'll go with the turnbuckle Tavern. How did how did you get hooked up with with the two bad chads?
00:33:25
Speaker
So my original podcast, so I started doing the Acefield retro podcast, which was predominantly going to be review shows of AWW, WWE, you know, the typical run in the middle wrestling podcast on my own, going out there in the wilderness. And I linked up with Jaybone did coming down the aisle. I mean, I did the show, so he was nice enough to have me on as a relative unknown. And then based on that, he recommended me to do the debate. And then from there, it was a jump off. I was already following the tavern. But as you know, like it kind of takes a little bit of.
00:33:55
Speaker
a little bit of getting to know everybody before they allow you into the fold. Like I think with the turnbuckle tavern, they want to kind of make sure you're vetted. And I think the turnbuckle debate, even though it wasn't intention to be this tryout for people to eventually come into the tavern fold, you do kind of sort out some people that you work well together. And that really, you know, the first show I did, I did with Sneed, Chad and Tom, and they
00:34:17
Speaker
No, we kept in touch after that. It was a few months before they pitched Honor Society to me to do the ROH show with Tony buying Ring of Honor. And then, you know, obviously didn't pan out to the way we wanted to. They were just having it on AW. So it was kind of this one thing I was like, man, I'm getting sick of doing Honor Society because it's just Ring of Honor being piecemeal conversation. I'd rather do something more meaningful. And that's where shot nostalgia kind of birthed from because I was like, I want to do something that's
00:34:44
Speaker
You know, it's tangible. I could sink my teeth into, and there's nothing more than, uh, shot nostalgia is definitely when you pick the topic, you dive deep into it. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Um, was so after, you know, you, you, you did, uh, the turnbuckle debates and all that stuff. And where did you.
00:35:02
Speaker
What did you pitch? Like what did you pitch? Like doing your own thing? Did they ask you to do your to like start doing the shows for them or was it something that you you brought to them? So Chad reached out to me and said they had this idea for this Ring of Honor show because again, Tony just bought it. So he thought it'd be a great idea. So the original concept was myself, frames and Snead. So starting I think was Thursday evenings we were going to do or yeah, Thursday because the rundown was on Tuesday at that point. Yep.
00:35:29
Speaker
that Thursday evenings we were doing honor society and like I said the content became too thin because we were waiting for them to launch the show it never really happened so what we were doing is tying in the history of Ring of Honor and then it just became like pulling teeth to find news like peace-mealing things out having discussions of like would Luchasaurus be a good fit on Ring of Honor or like could you pull this it just became yeah
00:35:50
Speaker
It wasn't great. So then shot nostalgia came from and I had mentioned Chad, I think I had earned enough, you know, trust at that point, because on her side was already going for I think about 15 weeks or so or more than that. And I had said to him, I had this idea for this retro show. And I remember in the advertisement on the flagship where they right before they go to Cold Hawk, it says even a shot in nostalgia. They have said that on the ad. And I got the name from that because what's better in a tavern than a shot in nostalgia? And
00:36:20
Speaker
I pitched the W.C.B. 1996 idea. He loved it. And obviously Bellcatcher, I had worked with on the debate, but then also worked with him on the AW wrap up show here and there. So I felt like you've been the perfect dance partner for it. And off to the races. We're in the fifth season of like almost 100 episodes in. That's insane. Yeah. What's your favorite? What's it? What's that? That's kind of hard to ask. What's it? What's it? What's the show you like doing the most out of all the shows you do for
00:36:51
Speaker
It's probably shot in nostalgia just because of the creativity and I'm really guiding the ship of where it goes in the conversation because it's not only just factor of in what we thought of the matches, what the newsletter was saying and what was happening around that
Shot of Nostalgia Podcast
00:37:04
Speaker
time. It's also asking these hypothetical butterfly effects.
00:37:08
Speaker
conversations to Colton's on the show now or just a mic about how did he feel about this? How do I think this would have changed comparing it to modern day product? I just like that, that very abstract conversation that comes from history because it's amazing to me how much everyone forgets that everything that's happened in wrestling pretty much has happened before. And I think as time continues, we continue to see history repeat itself.
00:37:31
Speaker
And that's the same thing in a lot of different aspects of life. But wrestling is very. You could definitely predict the future by reading the past and understanding where things are or where they used to be. But Sean, this is a lot of fun. It really is a lot of work, a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a family asset because.
00:37:51
Speaker
Everyone does so many, you know, different shows now. Like at the beginning it was like, you know, I was only doing the Chick Foley show and obviously Seth and, you know, Seth and Jordan, obviously they were just doing that as well. And then like, as you go along, like you kind of like, I love doing the Chick Foley show. Like when we do it, like, cause we obviously broke it down to like, when there's like, you know, big paper views, if, if like these shows that we do are like the weekly shows, when we do the Chick Foley show, I take it as like the pay-per-view essentially. That's the, yeah.
00:38:19
Speaker
That's how I look at it anyway now It's like the main event and then you have and that's what you know Sheena if you want to you know make her the equivalent to like a Roman or a hogan or something like that That's right. You see her you see She makes her parents are the there the pay-per-views, but um it I do love doing like I do love doing the raw down I do love doing this show, but it's I can't really pick one that I love doing the most That's that's the hardest thing because I love obviously love talking to j-bone and young Anthony when he decides to show up
00:38:49
Speaker
I want to give a shout out to Chad for wrestling tonight because that shows such a unique dynamic where really I can't picture anybody else doing that with the hard work that he puts into the overlays and just the pre-emptive work that goes into the research that's ever changing. The new cycle changes. Sometimes the big three stories change. If something huge drops, like we had the releases, we're going to drop the episode.
00:39:10
Speaker
I'm not sure when this drops, but on every Monday we drop the episode on video form and then Tuesday morning in audio form. And the other thing is just, it's ever changed. It keeps me up to date. So it's like one of these things where I'm internalizing the information as we talk about it. So it keeps me as a more intelligent wrestling fan just by proxy of talking about it.
00:39:32
Speaker
Chad does such a great job and we've been working together for almost the full year. We just dropped almost our 40th episode and it's been so much fun doing that and working with him is a blast. And the guy has a drive and a vision of what he wants the tavern to be and you can see it. He sees it further along than everybody else. And I think where the tavern is going is based on the vision of the two bad Chads and just everyone kind of working hard around it.
00:39:58
Speaker
I'm still kind of shocked that I'm still a part of the tavern feed. I thought it was going to be a quick stint. I was going to be doing the Chick-Fully show and then had me do a couple of shows on the tavern. But now it's just when I got the message from J-Bone saying, hey, I'm thinking of when we do the raw down, I want you to be the third person. And I was like, oh, I get it.
00:40:22
Speaker
He's like, oh, I already asked Sheena. She said it's fine. And that was around the time we started like scaling back the shows anyway. So it's like, whatever. And I'm not like, you know, screw, screw that. I'm not doing their show anymore. I'm fully turnbuckle tavern and all the way. Right. But you guys have 100 episodes. That's an accomplishment. Yeah. That's upcoming Thursday will be 100 episodes of The Raw Down, which is pretty insane. So I've been a part of 100 episodes of Chick Foley show and now 100 episodes of The Raw Down, which is
00:40:48
Speaker
pretty wild to even think of. But yeah, no, like you said, you can tell like both Chads, man, they definitely have a vision and they definitely have a path on where they want to go with this. They've kind of said it, you know, to us, like, you know, privately and our group chats and then, you know, the the meeting that we had and stuff like that. But so we won't give any anything away. But they definitely do have a vision for it. And I'm happy that I'm like, like I said, I'm, you know, I'm a part of it.
Raw Down Milestone & CM Punk Discussion
00:41:17
Speaker
I'm happy to be a part of the
00:41:18
Speaker
The ride as long as though as long as I'll have beyond here as long as I'll have a huge huge part the raw down I was just talking to chat about this. I mean a hundred episodes is nothing to scuff out because most podcasts don't make it to 25 and you guys made it to 100 and and Onwards and you guys continue to crush it. You are literally like no joke. It is my source of WV I listen to the raw down every week on audio if I can catch it on video I do but I
00:41:42
Speaker
That's how I stay aggressive. What's going on in WWE. Cause I wasn't watching it for a consistent amount of time. Now it's gotten better. I do watch it, but I like to hear your thoughts on it. It's become sort of this routine where I, you know, I make sure I check it out to make sure I hear what you guys think about what's going on. Cause I consider you guys the experts on WWE.
00:41:57
Speaker
Yeah, we, uh, we do, we, obviously we reference, uh, wrestling tonight as well. Cause you know, myself and J-Bone, we definitely watch it. And we, uh, I try not to, you know, I tried to actually, let me ask you this question because I'm probably not the only person. Do you listen to anything that would, you know,
00:42:15
Speaker
persuade your thoughts on anything? Like, do you listen to like, you know, obviously, if we listen to wrestling tonight, we, you know, you know, Jamie will reference and be like, Oh, he said something great on here to like, say what it so he'll he won't like, take your idea and be like, Hey, I came up with this. He'll reference it. But like, do you do you feel like if you listen to something else, and then when you come on to do your show, you're like, those thoughts bleed into yours? Because I don't like listening to anything really that that I that I do.
00:42:44
Speaker
Personally, but right. It's it's challenging because you're right. I think inherently you're going to find a voice that's convincing to you. And Chad happens to be one of the more convincing voices that he could, as Bill Caster says, sell popsicle popsicles filled with ketchup to a girl wearing white gloves or whatever he says. But.
00:43:03
Speaker
I like to listen to varying thoughts. So I'll find myself listening on a weekly basis. I'll listen to the Jim Cornette experience or the drive through to get what he thinks on things. And I'll also listen to Wrestling Observer Radio with Meltzer and Brian Alvarez, or I'll listen to Figure Four Daily with Lance Storm and Brian Alvarez to get this scope of ideas. And yeah, I guess inherently you're going to find thoughts that bleed in, as you said, with that kind of influence you. But I think if you do research that is eclectic and you take in varying mindsets,
00:43:32
Speaker
from other people that you're inherent. I like, I just disagree with a lot of stuff that Jim Cornette says. I respect what he says about the wrestling business, but I listened to it to see, to make sure I have the other side of the aisle and understand what he's saying. Because I think he usually is on the complete opposite side of Meltzer. They're like, they're on complete sides. Oh yeah.
00:43:49
Speaker
so yeah definitely so listening to and also the tavern listen to everyone here and that's what makes the debate so good too because it's such very and even wrote on you guys have such different takes on what is going on the product that at the very least it makes you think about it and then you come out of it with your own opinion
00:44:06
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's you know, if you heard like, you know, obviously, when young Anthony was on there with us, we like, not that he's gone forever. But when he was on there, it's like you have three personalities, you have, you know, you have young, he's, who's the youngest out of obviously everybody, right? So he has his own take of, you know, wrestling as it as he's seen it when he grew up. And then you have myself and Jaybone, who's kind of around the same age, where we seen pretty much like,
00:44:33
Speaker
everything even way before Anthony so like I I love his I love Anthony's takes because obviously He's younger than us and he has a different very very perspective of what of what we see And we all kind of we all have our own varying perspectives and we all like I said Well, we'll kind of go back and forth of things and then you know, I'll be like I listen I'm like, oh, yeah, you might be okay. You're right about that We never like get into like full-blown like, you know, skip and Shannon
00:45:01
Speaker
type of fights or anything like that. But uh, good radio, but I think everyone's at least somewhere near. I mean, we're all near like what we all think. And I think we're always at the point where I have an open mind to be convinced otherwise, like I try my best to always think of it from the other side, like the most the most passionate I've been about topics was the CM Punk stuff. And I found myself like I have to step away from it and see it from a different varying perspective. And that's why
00:45:25
Speaker
Bellcaster and I would have these offline conversations back because he felt strongly the other way. And that's why we need to have conversations about, you know, with other wrestling opinions and not get, you know, upset or offended. Like, I think people across all different domains could have a lot of, uh, you can make a lot of good by having a conversation with someone that just disagrees with you. Yeah. And we get, I kind of talked to, uh, wrestling classic about, we, we kind of talked a little bit about CM Punk. Uh, well, the situation anyway, not really him, but like, yes, you know,
00:45:55
Speaker
You know, my thoughts on it were, you know, you have that saying, you have your side, my side, and then the truth. We're only hearing your side. We're not hearing my side or the truth there. We're not hearing, you know, we're not hearing the, you know, the bucks and Kenny and what they think. We're only, all we're hearing is the horror stories of CM Punk.
00:46:16
Speaker
But then you see the stories of other people in the back saying, hey, he was great to me, he took me aside, talked to me, blah, blah, blah. So you don't really get like Hobbs, I think came out and said that. He said CM Punk was great to him.
00:46:31
Speaker
Is he really this awful do that people are saying or is it just he already has that sigma about him? And it's just even worse now because you only hear, like I said, one side, not all sides 100 percent. And the truth, I will never know the truth because the truth is also blurred with people's perspectives and agendas. Like there's also that baked into all of it. But I'm just I'm especially doing wrestling time. I'm happy it's done. Like I was sick of having a top three conversation every time we're out there. And it's just it becomes
00:47:00
Speaker
exhausting because it's just I'd rather talk about the in-ring stuff like reviewing Wrestle Dream previewing the stuff coming up with Survivor Series eventually and Fastlane like I'd rather talk about the in-ring stuff rather than the stuff behind the scenes because it's a he said she said battle yeah yeah exactly you know we talked about it too on the raw down when uh every time you know Vince McMahon pops up
00:47:21
Speaker
There's always seems to be news every Thursday when we get ready to do the show, we have our, you know, our set things that we want to talk about, but then like, some news will break right before the show about something happens. We have to talk about Vince McMahon again. And then, you know, we kind of have those back and forth conversations like,
00:47:37
Speaker
should we even bring it up? Should we like depending on the severity of the story, we'll probably bring it up like the TKO stuff. Yeah, we talked about because it's you know, it was it's more than him. It's really like the end of it's the end. It's the end of an era. It's the beginning of a new new thing going forward with the WWE, like seeing how they're going to what it's going to look like.
00:47:56
Speaker
Um, like, you know, they're looking at, like I said, they, they might be doing, you know, title changes at some point, they might be adding weight divisions. Uh, they might be, you know, doing, they call it like a TKO weekend where they're going to do like UFC, WWE paper views back to back. So there's some exciting things happening, but.
00:48:13
Speaker
what happens with the exciting things happening. You get a thing about, oh, now Vincent Mann's like, they want to ouster. There's more allegations coming, is he? You try to escape it, but sometimes you really can't escape the... And I always say, when we talk about it, I'm not a business major. I'm not any type of professional or anything like that. We're just giving our own opinions on things so we don't go too deep into it.
00:48:38
Speaker
But it's it is disheartening when you have to like, you know, you want to talk about the product.
Wrestling Media Focus & Fan Engagement
00:48:45
Speaker
And just like Sam Roberts says, well, he has it on the back of his watch. Watch the product. That's it. Just watch. Don't worry about the outside stuff. You know, don't worry about, you know, whose TV ratings are bigger than the others. Right. Demographic is just focus on the entering content. And then that should be able to like, you know,
00:49:03
Speaker
that should be able to bleed out, give you your own own opinion on things. No one hates wrestling more than wrestling fans. We all know that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Don't do it. Yeah. Like you ever see those comments like on like Twitter, maybe mainly on Twitter, we'll say.
00:49:19
Speaker
where it'll be like it'll be just fans in general like sports fans like talking amongst themselves or you know and they'll talk about wrestling fans of how crazy wrestling fans are like it's it's it's like you know we're known like wrestling fans are known from other you know sports because it's like
00:49:37
Speaker
I'm not sure if we're, you know, more toxic or less toxic or, you know, more tribal in a sense, you know, sports, you have your own team that you love and all that stuff. But it seems like there's a, we have a reputation out there as wrestling fans, amongst other sports, which is why I just stay away from the comments on social media. If I post like a reel or something that reels are how you grow your Instagram. But like, I like to post the clips and things and some of them get over 2 million views. If you post the right thing.
00:50:04
Speaker
Oh, yeah, there's this comments is littered on there. I just refuse to read them because someone is saying something that is ridiculous. It's baiting. It wants someone to they're trying to initiate an argument. Same thing with Twitter. I just try or X what they call now. I'm trying my best to stay away from that. And just like you said, watch the product and consume it in our ways. Listen to people that I respect or that I think has value in their opinion, not just reading some person with a no profile picture.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah, actually we'll kind of, now that we're on the topic with social media, do you, you know, obviously used in a good way, do you feel it can, do you feel it's benefiting you personally with you and your brand and expanding and stuff like that? Mine is obviously, mine is like the, you know, the negative part of it, but do you feel like it's detrimental to you, you know, getting yourself out there?
00:50:55
Speaker
Um, no, I think it definitely is the vehicle to get my name known there. And that's how I might, you know, the ring announcing stuff has started. That's how I reached out to Kona over remarkable wrestling. That's how to continue to post things that hype me up. And like every time I do a show, I try to make, make a habit out of taking a picture with whatever jacket I'm wearing, posting a clip of the ring announcing. And that's how you get further bookings. That's how I started working with rad pro wrestling. They were able to see my work as like almost a demo tape for me to travel out to Massachusetts and.
00:51:24
Speaker
Yes, social media has been really a gift for me and making sure you utilize it appropriately and follow the people you want to follow and sort of block out the negativity and don't engage. Because I think a lot of the negativity is you could avoid it. Like if you don't, if you like obviously you post something on there, you have to expect people are going to have differing opinions. I'll post tweets, I'll post memes, I'll post whatever.
00:51:46
Speaker
I just don't engage the comments. I let them kind of just sort themselves out. I posted and walk away. And I think what Chad said, you post and ghost. That's what the tavern does. Very rarely does the tavern reply to something on on there. And I think with notoriety comes, you know, toxicity and people are going to get involved. Like if you have tavern has eleven thousand dollars, there's going to be people that get an eye on what we post and it winds up being something that they disagree with and they're going to be negative and they're going to say negative things about what we say. It just comes with the territory.
00:52:16
Speaker
Yeah, definitely and I used to I used to do that like, you know on Sheena's page when she would like post something and I would go like in the comments and stuff like that because normally, you know, they automatically attack on Most things but I kind of pick and choose if I am gonna do I haven't done like any, you know Responded to any comments in a while, but when I do I usually pick and choose like which ones I know I can kind of make mad and
00:52:41
Speaker
I'll just read the comment and go, oh, this is easy. You know, just like put something that I don't even like really, I don't believe in at all. I just put the opposite of what they're saying. Cause I know it's just going to, you know, piss them off. Right. I'll just like play dumb the whole, you know, back and forth and all that stuff. And, uh, like I said, I haven't done it in a while. Um, but I really, I rarely do it. I just, like you said, post and go just, you post something and you just let it say that with these shows, I don't read any of the, uh, like I'll see some of the reviews and stuff like that. But other than that.
00:53:11
Speaker
I just do the show, you know, hand it over to Seth and they post it. I don't, you know, obviously I, you know, I thank everyone for the support and stuff like that. If they, you know, they are listening for the first time, last time, long time, whatever they're doing. But other than that, comments don't really get you anywhere. It's someone just, you know, putting words down and they just sit there. They don't
00:53:32
Speaker
Motivator or anything like that. Yeah. And the same thing, too. Like I realize that being someone that is trying to get their name out there as a podcast or also a ring announcer in some level of a personality that is on IW TV or on turnbuckle Tavern. There's going to be people that seek that out and that that almost attracts haters or whatever. Just I do my best to put the blinders on and don't engage because it's just it's not worth it. And
00:53:57
Speaker
I have my my eyes set on the goal and whatever that goal might be. I don't want to let other people's negativity flood into my because to me, my mental space is is for me, I don't want that invaded by negativity of some person I don't even know. Yeah, definitely. Let's go back. Let's even go back even further.
00:54:16
Speaker
Um, the beginning of, uh, of, of ace field retro, where did, where did your, you know, love and passion start with wrestling? Was it watching it? Was it collecting stuff? Who got you into it? How did, how did everything come about for you with, uh, with this, with this love for professional wrestling?
00:54:34
Speaker
So it feels like wrestling has always been a part of my life and it's something I never grew out of. So my earliest memories is the early nineties, you know, one, two, three kid, Bret Hart, those New York Ross, those types of things stick in my head. And I think of, you know, the undertaker like that stuck man. He's still to this day, one of my favorites of all time.
00:54:53
Speaker
But when I really became just diehard where I'm initiating it by myself, it's during the Attitude Era, 97, 98, where I'm watching every night on Raw, I'm living and dying what's happening on the other channels as well. But obviously, even at that time, I preferred WWF over WCW and now I'm looking back.
00:55:10
Speaker
They were both doing really good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But I was very passionate about wrestling from a young age and it paired with the wrestling figures, too. I was collecting all the bone crunchers and I had Hasbro's growing up and I could see me behind me. I have all the Hasbro's behind me and I pick and choose what I buy now. Just, you know, I love the new superstars line. I love the way that they have the Remco type of articulation. I love that.
00:55:32
Speaker
Um, but yeah, wrestling has always been a part of my friend, my, my friend groups as well. Like all my friends were diehard wrestling fans to the point where some of my closest friends we first met doing backyard wrestling on a trampoline. Like that's how, that's really how like we first started hanging out and we were just like book these cards and we have all these different characters and these championships and we'll put it on a videotape. And after spending a day on the trampoline or in the backyard, building our ring and wrestling, we would like get together, order pizza, and then watch the event.
00:55:59
Speaker
which is just awesome. And then also that's pair of watching raw on SmackDown. So it was like all consuming pro wrestling. It just became, you know, one of my only things I enjoyed. And like, obviously I love sports and stuff, but nothing's really top pro wrestling ever. There's been ebbs and flows in my fandom. Uh, as far as when I'm most passionate, I look back like 2011 to like 2013 is probably my least
00:56:22
Speaker
favorite time. I was like, I was student teaching. I was busy. I still was keeping up with the product, but I wasn't as in depth with what was going on. And I look at 2014 with Daniel Bryan's rise up the card and the main event thing that like reignited the fire. And of course, may W came along and just like, lit that fuse and I'm back, you know, so it, you know, it's been a part of my life for a very long time.
00:56:42
Speaker
Who was there anyone in particular that that showed you wrestling or? I think it was my brother, my brother, my older brother, who no longer is a fan. He's familiar with the product, but he was die hard during the attitude error. Yeah. My brother, Jimmy, is just he doesn't watch anymore, but he was the one who showed me. And I just kind of took the hobby and ran with it. But he was very much into it, you know, watching the pay-per-views and watching Raw with me and
00:57:09
Speaker
Uh, like I said, he keeps up with the product a little bit now and knows some of the guys, but doesn't watch it on a weekly basis. He would be what we call a laps fan for sure. I think he watched mania last year. So he's always my gauge of what the casual fan or former fan knows. Like I'll text him like, Hey, do you know this or whatever? Just to see like what that person would think, you know, if someone who's diehard watching during stone cold rise at the top.
00:57:31
Speaker
You know, and sometimes he surprised me what he doesn't know. Cause like in our bubble, we think Roman reigns is this biggest thing. And sometimes like we're just so in our bubble that we don't realize that it doesn't reach that level yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it is weird too. Cause like, well, just like just a pivot offer with the Roman reigning, like you'll see like.
00:57:49
Speaker
Obviously like athletes, you know, a lot of them watch wrestling and stuff like that. So like you'll see them do like the ones, um, you'll see like, uh, are those the pre-shows they'll say, like, yo, they'll do like the acknowledge me phrase and all that stuff. And so you, it is, it's there, but it's like you said, it's kind of still in a bubble where it's, it's not there. It's amongst, it's among sports and athletes and things like that.
00:58:13
Speaker
that that really take hold of it. Like you say, with the with mainstream, it's I'm not sure if it's really there yet as far as with Roman Reigns anyway. Yeah, it's not to say it won't get there. I mean, the rock is next level. Like with The Rock coming back to conversation and wrestling tonight was like, should he be the main event in WrestleMania? Or what does it do to the product after the fact? I personally, being a diehard fan in the bubble, think it should be Cody's spot. But I also understand the impact. Like this is a dude who
00:58:39
Speaker
hypothetically could run for president. Like we haven't really had a situation like this ever a star as big as the rock. In my opinion, he might be the biggest star in wrestling history just cause he transcends Hogan. He transcends all he's he's a different stratosphere. So we're dealing with a situation that it's not just the part time or coming back at someone who's
00:58:56
Speaker
larger than business, you know, like in that sort of the conversation you have to weigh out of nearsighted, it is definitely the choice. It's going to make the most buzz in the immediate, but down the line, it probably has a detriment to the product five, 10 years from now because you stunt Cody's growth and maybe Cody never gets the level he could have gotten to.
00:59:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you listen to Rod down last week, you know, by, you know, my thought share, I was pretty, I was pretty sour on, uh, do love the rock love that he came back and all that stuff. But you know, with the, with the, with the course it's going now with like them building.
00:59:29
Speaker
these these stars now like you know obviously they're not like you know super young guys like you know cody's not a young guy um i mean he is young j uso like that type like these guys are like you know these are guys i like that they're the faces of raw now then you have smackdown where it's kind of nostalgic with like you know john cena's back and then you had the rock come back and stuff like that roman hasn't been on tv really but like one defense in 125 days i just saw
00:59:55
Speaker
Yeah. So like, you know, it would be, you know, on paper, yes. Biggest WrestleMania match in history. They say it every single year, but literally the rock coming back and facing, you know, a guy that hasn't been, uh, well, he, well, he hasn't beaten, but hasn't lost the championship in three years. Right. Is that's, I mean, that's pretty monumental. Um, but like I said, if you want to hear my thoughts, if we go on, on raw down, I was, I was not too happy with, uh,
01:00:22
Speaker
with the rocks returned on, on the wrestling level. And like you said, on the, uh, the beat of Mark, I wasn't really, I agreed. I agreed a hundred percent what you're saying, but like going back to the original, like the question you had said before we feared off was my brother was like my entry point into it. And he was someone that.
01:00:38
Speaker
like he loved it. And I think there's so many fans that loved it during that time that fell off of it. Yeah. You know, us fans, like not that it should be our duty to do it, but I think there's so much good wrestling that those people are missing because there's stuff that they would really gravitate towards if they just consumed it. And it's about getting their feedback in there. And we talk about all the time, there's people that stop watching and something draws them back for a reason. And all of a sudden they're all in, whether it be work rate or whether it be this like eccentric character, something brings them back and
01:01:06
Speaker
I think if you have an initial love for wrestling at any point in your life, if you give it another chance, you probably will find yourself watching on a weekly basis again. It's it's like an addicting drug. Oh, yeah, definitely. Because you know how I got my my wife started watching. Well, she's not watching. She doesn't watch it religiously. But like when we first started dating and stuff like that, I was watching it at the time and she got back into it because it was a Monday night Raw.
01:01:30
Speaker
And I remember I was like, I think RVD was on. He made it a parent. It was like a while back. So like, Oh my God, almost 10 years ago. But it was like, she's seen all these people that she's seen when she was watching it at the time. Like, like, Oh my God, Jerry King law is still there. Oh my God. This guy's still there. Oh my God. And I was like, yeah, these, I mean, they, you know, they're not, you know, wrestling all the time, but they, you know, they make appearances. So like that got her like back into it. And then obviously total divas debuted and that brought a lot of like casual fans into it. A lot of women into it anyway.
01:02:00
Speaker
Um, and that just that helped out a lot. So, um, it just seems like now they're not really doing anything as far as bringing the casual fan and besides like, you know, bringing the Logan Pauls and, you know, yeah, bad bunny and all that stuff, but they come in and then they're gone. So they're not really sticking around the thing. So they get those casual fans into that one event and then they all disappear.
01:02:20
Speaker
Hoping it'll like right tack them up, but who I don't I don't know their numbers or anything that I could be wrong They could be just garnering a bunch of fans and that happens, but I don't see it anyway,
Baseball Passion & Team Dynamics
01:02:31
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but anyway As far as you know, we talked obviously a ton about wrestling What other things are you into you said baseball earlier? Yeah
01:02:43
Speaker
Huge baseball fan. So I'm a diehard baseball. I love all sports. Hockey was a partial season ticket holder for the New York Islanders for many years. So I'm a huge fan. They are disappointing at times. But that's a different story. But I love sports in general. Like if I had another passion, podcasting about baseball would probably be my close second. I do enjoy listening and talking baseball with John Boy Media. I think they do a fantastic job. But I have a fantasy baseball league that is just absolutely just
01:03:12
Speaker
awesome. And recently, based on a vacant slot, Matt from Extra Cooler joined with us. And he kind of blended both worlds where we do a live draft every year. It's a keeper league where you keep prospects, so you have to be really in the know. And so even with the Yankees being bad this year, not making the playoffs, it keeps you invested in the product of baseball. And to me, I think it's one of the best sports on earth. I think if people
01:03:37
Speaker
Similar to the history part, as I referenced before, I think the history of the game is something that has leaned so far into and comparing numbers of the current day, you know, for the people that came before him, whether it be within franchise or just like season, you know, get Aaron Judge season from a year ago, just seeing where he was and comparing it to all the names. And like you're seeing Babe Ruth pop up and Lou Gehrig and all. I just love that part about baseball. And I just think the game to me is in a really good spot with young talent.
01:04:03
Speaker
I love, I love following prospects, their path to the major leagues and making sort of myself aware, listening to the fantasy baseball part of it, but also just awareness of who's going to be good. The scouting piece of it. I would love, first of all, I would love to work in baseball in some capacity. It's just hard to dedicate yourself into two different things at the time, because just as passionate as people are about wrestling.
01:04:26
Speaker
Baseball is a 365 thing for a lot of fans, too. That's their thing. But, you know, sports in general, like I'm a Packers fan. So I watch them on every Sunday. I would say I'm probably the out of all sports football is my most casual. Like I just enjoy the sport watching. Yeah. Yeah. But baseball, most die hard. And then, like, as far as, like, passionate fan base.
01:04:49
Speaker
Uh, the Islanders are just absolutely my team. And, uh, I have a seat from the original Coliseum in here. So, uh, when it closed down into that, you know, originally when it closed down in 2015, I was, you know, I bought one of the seats and I have it here with me. So it's, it's here. And I like to think about all the history that that witnessed the four straight Stanley cups. And, uh, before my time, of course, but, uh, I was at some of the more meaningful games, the last game that ever played at the Coliseum with Beauvillier.
01:05:16
Speaker
scoring the OT goal against Tampa Bay Lightning in the Eastern Conference Finals. I was at the pool lock blocking the shot game to various when he scored at Barkley Center to win their first playoff series since 93. I'm you know, die hard in that capacity. But like I said, wrestling with the podcasting and working independence, it's it's hard to dedicate the equal amount of time to all these things. Yeah, definitely. I was going to say by my father, you know,
01:05:43
Speaker
just to get to the next question. My father was a huge baseball fan. I have like all, he's a baseball car collector, all that stuff. I have like all pretty much, I mean, I pretty much have his whole collection. And he loved it because...
01:05:57
Speaker
He, uh, he, he liked the, the pacing of it. He have, he himself wasn't a, like, he wasn't like, he's my father was from the South. Um, you know, born of, he's born in Mississippi, raised in Arkansas. So like in the South it's more, it's more relaxed. There's no rush. There's like, you know, you're not like up, up East where like we're running around everywhere and we're trying to get to, you know, you know,
01:06:21
Speaker
get to where we're going. That's why he loved baseball, obviously no time limits. So the patience of it, the pitching, the batting, everything about it he loved because there was no rush to get things done, essentially. Obviously, you have your innings, but at the same time, the batter has to pick his swing,
01:06:45
Speaker
The pitcher has to, you know, the pitcher, the way he or she supposed to, I should say, is it, what is it for you? What is it about baseball that you love the most? Definitely is the pacing as you referenced, like it's one of those sports you can pop on the radio or have it on the background and be able to stay attuned to what's going on. Uh, it's definitely one of those things that they say, I mean, it's cliche, but it's the soundtrack of everyone's summer. Like I just remember all the memories I've had of the Yankee teams I'd have in the background with barbecues and
01:07:13
Speaker
people's houses, it just was always there. And I also love the strategic nature of whether it be putting fielders in the right spot, you know, I know the shift is something that's being banned now, but like putting fielders and shifting outfielders based on metrics and studying tendencies of batters. I love that. And you mentioned pitching as well, watching the science of pitching and changing the way balls are held and
01:07:37
Speaker
arm angle and all of that. I'm just fascinated by just the advanced metrics of baseball now. And sometimes there's an inundation of information that becomes over the top and it's almost too much information where a lot of the old school foundational baseball minds would say, it's about field, it's about gut. But we have so much information now that this young talent, I look at the Dodgers, they're so good. They're an embarrassment of riches because they have the both things.
01:08:02
Speaker
the money to spend on a free agency and they have the best front office in baseball and scouting where they're able to fill their farm system and then fill it up with, you know, next man up. So if anyone gets hurt, if Mookie Betts gets hurt, they're able to pop someone in the outfield and he's, you know, ready to play. And they have one of the best prospect systems in all of baseball for the longest period of time. And they're not going to be bad anytime soon. And you can watch teams that have made decisions in the past, like,
01:08:27
Speaker
the Yankees for so long were signing free agents and the Sox were one of those teams as well, but they would sign free agents and it'd be like kind of damnation on the future. We don't care. We want to win now. You can't really do that anymore. It's about building for the future and putting foundations in place. You can't buy a championship like you could in the past where the Yankees and oh nine, probably with the last team to do that, but like CC and and to Shera and AJ Burnett, like that team that was put together pretty much with a pocketbook.
01:08:53
Speaker
You have to put a team together as we see this year. The Yankees have talent. They spend a lot of money. They don't have the highest payroll in baseball. Look at the Mets. The Mets have the highest payroll in baseball, and they can't make the playoffs. So it's a mind game. And it really is. The smaller market teams can find a way to find advantages and
01:09:11
Speaker
consistently compete, and they put things in place for that. But it's also getting scouts and getting people that understand the way the game works and can assess talent. And to me, that's fascinating because it's way more than just happening in between the lines. It's happening outside, and it's a constant conversation about building and assessing talent.
01:09:28
Speaker
Yeah, you can say that. You can say that about a lot of sports. Well, I mean, basketball in particular with, like, you know, Bill, they're cutting edge to for sure. Yeah. There's no there's no guarantee in putting all these guys on a team and you're going to win a championship. They still have to play together and they still have to gel. Well, like you can make it look like, you know,
01:09:48
Speaker
LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Steph Curry, um, and be like, Oh my God on paper. Yeah, dude, they definitely seasons over. They go, you know, 82 and Oh, no one's ever going to beat them, but are they going to play well together? You're going to pass the ball. Are they going to, you know, be mindful of each other's skillset? Um, you could buy, like you said, you could buy whatever team you want, but
01:10:07
Speaker
in the end it might not it might not pan out that way because they still have to you know work in sync with each other and they may not gel well so you are right about that. It's one of those things with baseball and other sports that you said like I think it's really hard to keep pace unless you keep up with the latest data and
01:10:25
Speaker
We watched down the line, like they put these super teams together. And of course, NBA is the biggest example of it when you toss in these, these superstars in place. And like, you kind of almost need two superstars to win a championship at this point and then put the plate, the pieces around it. But with baseball, we watched San Diego Padres to put together what was considered a super team with all this talent. And there was a great article, the athletic, which I subscribed to, which is fantastic. I got podcasts and they also have articles.
01:10:49
Speaker
about the institutional failure of the organization from the bottom to the top where even though on the surface it looks like they have one of the best teams, it's just they can't put the depth in place and they're being propped up by this foundation that's flawed. And it's just fascinating to me because you can't just hide it with putting lipstick on something that doesn't
01:11:06
Speaker
have integrity and that's something that Padres need to work on and same thing with the Yankees. Like the Yankees have a lot to work on in the off season because you can't just throw money at Aaron Judge and hopefully he brings everybody up. It's you got to have eight other guys that have to produce and pitchers as well. Yeah, I think, uh, you know, if I'm going to compare it to like
01:11:27
Speaker
Compare that topic to us as a pod foundation. I think we all gel well with each other. You can put any one of us on a show. For sure. I think we'll all be pretty good. And it's happened. As you see, there's a lot of shows that are happening now, where it's like you just mix a match, and they work for some reason. Absolutely. Which is pretty great. So we don't have those problems, like the sports scenes. We could get those things ourselves. Exactly.
01:11:55
Speaker
So for baseball and stuff like that, are you a movie buff? Are you a music nerd? What other things are you obsessed with?
Music & Comedy Preferences
01:12:08
Speaker
So I like to go to shows, music shows. So some pop punk bands, post hardcore bands, one of my favorite bands, The Wonder Years. Anytime they're in town, I go and see them. Last time I went, I believe I got COVID from it because I was right in the mosh pit. So that was fun.
01:12:23
Speaker
But yeah, anytime they're in town, I've seen them about 16 times. But, you know, every band that I like, I try my best to see them like bands like Hot Mulligan, Turnover, Spanish Love Songs are coming to town. I like shows that are general admission. I like to get into like the pit and like feel the energy of the crowd. And that's something I really miss for.
01:12:40
Speaker
during the pandemic, like not going to shows and wrestling events, but concerts to the energy. It's therapeutic to be out there and sing the songs that you like and experience them with people that are like minded, know every single word, every single chord of the song. But that's the music I enjoy. I love like pop punk and that type of post hardcore stuff. Are you a movie buff at all? Do you watch?
01:13:01
Speaker
Do you watch movies? Are you a fan of any genres or anything like that? I've seen like the big, you know, big ticket stuff. I wouldn't consider myself like a movie buff, but I've seen pretty much the big ticket movies that come out. And I like the comedies, like some of my favorite movies, like, you know, Wedding Crashers, Superbad, that type of stuff. Dodgeball. I think I just like this one. Like I think that's funny. I love it. It's on. And he's like, yeah, dude, dodgeball is like one of the funniest.
01:13:28
Speaker
movies. If anyone hasn't seen it, definitely go see it. It almost came out 20 years ago, 2004. And I was going to say like, most of those movies, those comedies back then, they're probably going to stay back then because they definitely won't be able to make any of those nowadays. So definitely if they, you know,
01:13:46
Speaker
if you definitely go out of your way to watch those. But let me go, I want to skip back a little bit because you brought up Moshpits. And one of my old co-workers, he was into punk rock, all that stuff. And he would... We got along really well. I don't know how, but we just did. But he would go to a lot of shows. He was from New Hampshire. You'd go to a lot of local shows and stuff like that. And he would tell me stories of just like,
01:14:14
Speaker
just people beating the shit out of each other in mosh pits. And I'm like, you, you were in these? I'm like, yeah. So he like, Oh, pulls out his phone and he showed me like, yo, videos of like, yo, his friend, like, we'll be filming him in a mosh pit. It's just literally just fist fighting.
01:14:30
Speaker
do you so he got knocked out before that's that's what i was getting to like he's he's been like yo he got dropped he dropped a few people before not on purpose obviously then i wasn't a fight but like has that happened to you at all have you have you ever been knocked out or knocked somebody out
01:14:46
Speaker
Not knocked out, but I definitely got my nose bloodied before by like not even just like people in the mosh pit where they're like bouncing around because that's just like kinetic energy. And you kind of got to keep your head on the swivel, making sure because I don't think I mean, there might be a case. The shows I go to, there's not really anyone has an intention to hurt anybody. There are shows you go to that people are out to do that, which is hopefully they're eliminated from the scene. But as far as like the most time I would ever get hurt would be someone going up to
01:15:15
Speaker
to get on top of the crowd, crowd surf. And they go to crowd surf and like their leg would hit. And like, if you're not expecting someone to come behind you and lay on top of you, that's like when I was seeing the one of yours, as I referenced in the city, it was two Sundays ago at this point.
01:15:31
Speaker
there. People were doing that. If you stand in the front, I was like in the third row, you have to expect that people are going to be coming up over the top of you. Oh, yeah. And that was like pretty much nonstop. So that's the type of stuff that you can get hurt doing. And there's some horror stories, obviously, of people doing that. You know, if they're not prepared or
01:15:47
Speaker
something crazy happens. But yeah, uh, when you're out there, I mean, like I said, I'm going to be 35. So I try my best to stay out of the full mix of things. I try to just get close to the stage, but no, you just got to make sure you keep your space and make sure, make sure you have your head on a swivel for sure. Yeah. Yeah. He, he, like I said, he showed me a bunch of videos of him and his buddies. Obviously they record each other in it and he, I was going to go with him once and I was like, you know what?
01:16:12
Speaker
I was like, no, not my scene. I was like, I'm not going to get involved in any. I was like, if I if I get hit, I'll probably like first, I'll probably cry and then I'll probably just get beat up because I cried in the middle of the show or something. But but.
01:16:27
Speaker
Yeah, man, just like I was I was just watching that stuff. So wait a minute. So you'll be at the straight. So you'll enter a mosh pit. Right. Yes. But you will not take any bumps in the wrestling ring. I didn't say no. It's an insurance thing for for the remarkable school. Like, yeah, I want to make sure that they're clear, because like, I think the way it goes is they New York State and I'm not sure it's the same for every I don't think every state has to do this. But for New York State, the athletic commission, you have to be checked out by a doctor before you athletically compete.
01:16:55
Speaker
Yeah, that's not the same for Jersey. I don't think it's the same for Massachusetts. You could just run the show without an ambulance, no doctor. Oh, yeah. But yeah, it's one of those things where like, I don't know, I want to make sure that I have an idea. Like, personally, I want it to be I have a great idea in my mind of the person I want to work with doing it. I remember the Daniel Bryan stuff with Justin Roberts. I want that exact scenario where someone's choking me with the tie during chaos.
01:17:18
Speaker
And I wanted to be Dominic DeNero. I think it'd be fantastic. And there was a perfect opportunity when they're building up the war games match and it's chaos at the end. All the teams are out there. It would have been the perfect opportunity to do it, but I was still sort of new. Yeah. Now, if they have anything like that, maybe they bring the war games back this February. I'll shoot my shot to see if I can have that spot.
Rad Pro Wrestling & Career Goals
01:17:37
Speaker
Yeah, definitely have to definitely have to see because you said you said you said it's going to be here in October 21st in Massachusetts. So I'll be in October 21st in Amesbury. I'm not sure how far Amesbury is for the show called Power Transfer. So for RadPro, I'll just explain that for a sec for people. I don't know if they're like everyone. It's a different concept for sure. It's similar to Chikara, where
01:17:59
Speaker
every talent that comes in, they live in this universe specifically. So they might be local talent, but, you know, for example, Leo Sparrow, he works for creative pro. He works all these different spots. He's blossom Oak in rad pro wrestling. So that's right. They have different characters and I have a different character. I'm Fred Vernon. I'm at Eastfield retro there. So you have to exist in 1994.
01:18:20
Speaker
it's a time lapse where like if you're on commentary you have to keep in mind like it's the baseball strike it's not you have to keep things in perspective where it's a yeah it's kind of immersing yourself in a timeline which is really fun but uh that show is happening 10 21 and then on 12 2 which is december 2nd
01:18:39
Speaker
We have forever rad, which is going to be the season finale of 1994. And they're going to move into 1995. And I think I'm pretty sure rad pros going to be a part of restiful. That's happening at the end for new year. I think their show is on New Year's Eve. So it remains to be seen if I'll be there for it, but that's in Worcester as well. Yeah, no, definitely. I have to, I have to actually go out there. Uh, how far is James Barry from you?
01:19:02
Speaker
Are we like maybe 30 minutes? It's like a five hour drive for me. Yeah, no, no, definitely not. Yeah, definitely. I want to start, you know, going a lot more local organizations around here because it's like you said, you get once you start going, you start getting the bug and you like you just want to see how other you know, how other performances happen and stuff.
01:19:24
Speaker
So she sit in front row very interactive. Oh, yeah to interact with them there. It's it's it's a fun time and it's it's a you know, it's definitely a different pace from you know, the TV TV wrestling as I would recommend on Thursday every Thursday forever.
01:19:40
Speaker
Wrestling open, they did run it at the white eagle and was there. So that's also, that might be close to you, but that's something they do. And it's cheap tickets. Uh, fantastic talent. Like I said, I mentioned some of the dudes from remarkable work there, whether it be Percy Ryan, Desmond Cole, but you know, Alec price is there. Like they kill it. And they're on IWTV. If you guys can't get there in person, you should check it out on IWTV. They run it Thursday. It's must see TV and some of the best talent in the world are coming through Worcester. And like I said, it's a hotspot for pro wrestling. Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, it's a.
01:20:10
Speaker
Like I said, it's kind of like a, I'm not saying it's a boom period, but like I said, I've started to see a lot more local shows. Like the one we, the one I went to a few, actually it was last month. No, yeah, in August I went. In Everett, the chaotic wrestler, they did a show at Night Shift Brewing. Because at Night Shift, they have like an outside, like a big outside area. They set up a ring and chairs and all that stuff. And actually one of the workers there got involved at the end.
01:20:58
Speaker
at the end of
01:21:01
Speaker
He's like, he has an end with all those, all those guys, but I just thought it was cool actually seeing one of the servers there actually show up at the end of the show. I was like, I was like, he was just, I was like, that's funny. I definitely should check it out. Like I said, I'll be in Amesbury. So maybe it's on the way back. I'll pick up like a six pack or something for sure. It's awesome. Yeah. Definitely. Especially if I, uh, if we, if we, if I go out there, you can definitely, you know,
01:21:24
Speaker
Hang out or something? I'd be pretty 100 percent. Yeah, I definitely we we made a day of it. Like I did. I stayed there the night before just starting out the drive in the morning. Yeah. And we hung out in Amesbury. I was trying to become familiar with the town is like coffee shops and restaurants and stuff. But it's about 15, 20 minutes, maybe a little bit more than that from Worcester. I was trying to gauge it from from dropping there. It's pretty out there, Amesbury.
01:21:46
Speaker
Yeah, no, definitely. It's not too far for me, but obviously a drive for you in that sense. What do you see as the future of Ace Field?
01:22:02
Speaker
Are you looking to expand even bigger? Have you thought that far ahead or are you just like right now just kind of like, like you said, doing a lot of the announcing and stuff like that, doing the obviously turnbuckle tavern, doing those shows. Is there anything more that you're trying to accomplish or is it too early to tell for you?
01:22:23
Speaker
so i'm making a a list of goals i have for 2024 and some of it has working with two new promotions and that's the goal i'm setting for myself that i want to work whether it be a promotion that's within driving distance or right in my backyard i want it to be something that you know
01:22:39
Speaker
Also want to set up maybe wrestling, I mean, working with a company during WrestleMania weekend in Philly. I'm not sure if Remarkable is planning on running a show closer to that weekend, but I want to be able to be a part of that in 2024. That's in the immediate, but really like what started as an actually, if people notice on my Instagram, I took out wrestling podcast out of the logo.
01:23:00
Speaker
because I had just an idea that it's not just a wrestling podcast, and I really don't just do the podcasting on my own channel anymore. I was doing these interviews. My last interview was with Paul Lawyer, which was awesome. He was a great conversation. But I posted on the Tavern anyway, and I want to put all my effort and energy into building the Tavern, helping build it to a new level where I think posting on my own, doing the Acefield Retro Show,
01:23:24
Speaker
It was almost counterintuitive than putting the effort back into the tavern. I wanted to make sure that I was putting maximum effort as far as podcasts and go into building the tavern brand, because I think that already, for me, that being bigger can lift our voices to get to more ears and make sure people understand that there's a passionate group over here that loves wrestling. So the Acefield retro thing is like my gimmick now. It's just my wrestling persona. And then at this point, my podcast is going to live on the Turnbuckle Tavern.
01:23:53
Speaker
Awesome. That's, uh, so is there any, you know, are you going to like, you know, yeah, yeah. Barbershop any one of us and just go on your, just barbershop the tavern and, uh, it just split off. Or is it, do you see yourself with the, you know, the tavern for technically for the foreseeable future? If you want to say, if you want to say that.
01:24:14
Speaker
I definitely want to stay with the tavern. I think my goals align with the two bad chads and everybody else here. I think the vehicle helps everybody. Like if the brand of the tavern is bigger than Acefield retro itself, so it helps everybody. So we can all help build this brand around us and get the tavern to be synonymous with pro wrestling conversation. Like I think it would be really cool down the line. Like I think everyone makes it, you know, making jokes about hockey and recognize that that's shown in Indiana. But it's damn cool. Like in people that come up to me
01:24:41
Speaker
at the VPW shows at the media table and they say, like, I listened to this show or I saw you announce here. Like, that's kind of surreal to me. And I want to get to a point where we are kind of synonymous, like I said, with pro wrestling and having opinions and being this, you know, vehicle for people to get their consumption and understand what's going on in the world of wrestling, because
01:25:03
Speaker
I think what the tavern has done best is the consistency part.
Podcasting Consistency & Chick Foley Show
01:25:07
Speaker
And like you said, there's been people that I've taken breaks. There's been people that need time off for business, busy schedules. And that's okay. But I think the large group can keep it going while those breaks are being had. And as you see, we're wrestling podcasts. How many do we see drop off because of timing? And they're like, I'm taking a hiatus. I'm doing this. The tavern is never going to do that. As long as I have a say, like I don't want that ever being the case. I want to consistently churn out.
01:25:32
Speaker
I want to churn out content because that's how you keep eyes on it because as soon as you become dormant, then the eyes disappear and go elsewhere. So once you have people captivated by what you're saying, you want to capitalize on it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, definitely. That's that's that's one of the things, you know, just working with with with the chads and working with you and everyone is.
01:25:52
Speaker
is the uh as a consistency part of things and that's where you know that's where we kind of got the idea from you know you know Seth and Jordan doing the pod warriors show and then me you know you know reaching out to she is saying hey i want to do like you know i know we don't do interviews on on the chick foley show but you know what do you think about me just you know doing interviews it's like you know reaching out to people and you know
01:26:14
Speaker
You know, kind of, you know, having that, you know, like I said, this is a chick fully show presents open mic. So it's still, it has that aspect to it. It's just obviously me doing, doing the interviews. And, you know, like you said, if you, if you're not consistent, consistent in that sense, um, like you said, eyes and ears are going to go somewhere else. And, you know, definitely thankful for the platform. I mean, to be on two different platforms to be on, you know, the turnbuckle feed and being on the, on the chick fully feed. So like trying to, you know, like I said, bridge that gap.
01:26:42
Speaker
Be that like, you know be like kind of like the forbidden door essentially right show that it can't work It's not like you know, it's not like I'm You know leaving one going to the other it's like, you know We're all pretty much on the same on the same playing field obviously with the with the pod foundation and stuff like that we all try to the whole idea behind the pod foundation was us trying to help each other out and trying to lift each other up and trying to cross promote and you know, I
01:27:08
Speaker
If something happens, someone goes viral, something gets, you know, big and it just helps everybody. Like, you know, that's, that's how it should go anyway. Yeah. And this is, I'm just realizing now that this is my infinity stone of the pod foundation. This is my first debut on the chick Foley show. So coming down the aisle, obviously turnbuckle tavern here at chick Foley. So, and also, I mean, we've got to give a lot of credit to Sheena. She, she drove this and I think.
01:27:33
Speaker
standing on her shoulders of what she established with her brand prior to everybody. And I love the origin story about the Chick Foley show. And I have so much respect for the brand that you guys built over there and just the conversation and really the fan base. I love the episodes you guys drop and the unique twist on things, whether it be pod warriors or even like the goal line show now. Yeah, Chick Foley and its own right are pioneers of the podcasting world because they were doing things. You guys were doing things prior to the tavern existing and us all working together.
01:28:01
Speaker
similar to what the conversation was about AEW and WWE working together. It helps everybody to have the tie-in of, yeah, Sheen has a lot of followers on Instagram and she has a following that she's earned and deserves and she's grinded to get that. And we're only helped by that because now we're associated. Anytime she drops our name on the Chick Foley show or Extra Cooler drops our name or J-Bone drops our name, it's just another person that might be listening and they'll tune in to us and it just helps everybody.
01:28:27
Speaker
Yeah, and I always try to pretty much every episode, especially when I have the ladies on here already. That's one of the main reasons. So I wanted to do the show was give a voice to the women out there that are content creators and stuff like that, like Sheena. Because when I talk to wrestling classic about this, back in 2014, it was literally just Sheena and then him.
01:28:56
Speaker
I think extra cooler. And then there was a few other people that weren't many wrestling oriented, um, like social media, uh, ages out there. It was very, it was very little. So at the beginning, they were all helping each other out. Like Sheena bought, you know, the wrestling classic t-shirt she, you know, she wore it posted on her Instagram and he would do the same thing for her. And then, you know, she helped, you know, Nick with his art and stuff like that. And they all kind of like boosted each other up.
01:29:21
Speaker
So I always try to every time I like, I always try to give her props every every episode, especially like I said, if I do have a woman on there or a lady that's in, you know, in the collecting room, in the wrestling room, I always try to say like, hey, you know, she does all that, like, you know, started me on there. So like, yeah, for sure. You know, and that's that's kind of like my gateway. I was actually just saying, actually, you know, that's a good question before I go to my last question for you.
01:29:50
Speaker
Do you think we'll ever, in the tavern, you know, obviously we have Sheena, you know, she's the first lady of the Pod Foundation, do you think there would ever be another, was there any scouting for another, like woman to be in the tavern? Because there hasn't been a tavern specific
01:30:11
Speaker
Like lady. I would say the opportunity is always there because like I just look at Colton's origin story where he called in. He had an idea. I believe he was defending Dom Mysterio or I forget how it was now, but his conversation or his voicemail he left on the flagship was so entertaining that they asked him to come on the debate.
01:30:30
Speaker
So I guess hypothetically, if there is a wrestling fan that's out there that happens to be female, that, yeah, finds a way. I mean, we've had, you know, individuals on the debate. I think, uh, I forget the girl that she likes a new Japan pro wrestling and that is Marie shadows. Exactly. Marie shadows was on here.
01:30:46
Speaker
I mean, I would be open to her working with us and do a New Japan show if she had time, like that'd be cool. Really, the thing is, what's really awesome about the Two Bad Chads is like, given the creativity and flexibility for everybody to have their own idea and run with it, and the autonomy to work on things that you're passionate about, as long as it aligns with, really with the values of the tavern artists, making sure that we are kind of staying on board and
01:31:08
Speaker
that never micromanage ever like it's always just like your own unfiltered thoughts as long as it falls into a line with making sure we're not going to be canceled on the channel that they're going to yeah you know that's why I was always gnarly to get hawk out there and put them on a show but
01:31:23
Speaker
I would say it's a possibility. I think, as you mentioned, wrestling is becoming more inclusive. Women's wrestling is certainly taking such large steps since 2014 when the Chick Foley show started just in that period of time, in 10 years, 9 years. I think women's wrestling has come such a long way with WWE and Impact Wrestling and AEW and
01:31:45
Speaker
So I think there's a lot of women that our fans are wrestling. If they want to get on a podcast and talk about it, certainly something I would be definitely welcome with open arms.
01:31:53
Speaker
Yeah, I see. There's a there's a ton out there. There's like they said they said they interviewed here Liz already. Who's the girl of the cosplayer to that? She dresses up as all over the moonsault. Oh, she's always on that. She was on the debate too as well. They had her. She's fantastic before you have Gigi for the win. That's another one out there. Olly Keeks. I want to get her actually on the phone. So she's she just talks about a W.
01:32:19
Speaker
So I'd be like, I kind of want to bring her in just to see, you know, what her thoughts are and then kind of hand her over and see if the, have her on the debate. So, uh, see how that would go. So like how that's how Marie shadows, you know, when she was on my show that, you know, Chatterie show was like, Hey, he said, you think she'll do the debate? I was like, yeah, I don't see why not. And then, you know, the rest is history. But, uh, yeah, just like I said, just to get more, uh, more female voices, um,
01:32:47
Speaker
on here. She held it down for long enough. I think we need to pass the torch, essentially, just like they do in wrestling. You have the vet, you have the legend, and then they pass the torch on. I'm not sure if we want to, but...
01:33:04
Speaker
Now, she we love her having her voice here and listening to what her thoughts are. I always love what they drop there. And, you know, shout out to Seth to they do such a great job of what the content that they bring on a weekly basis. And yeah. And I mean, the whole path. And I know we continue to put them over, but like the extra cooler crew is just fantastic. And everyone brings a different style. And J-Bone brings a different style to what we all have. And just having like I always have something to listen to as well. That's the other beautiful thing. I can always rely on the pot foundation to have something of have a long drive.
01:33:33
Speaker
I could put on a wrestling podcast that's, that's relevant to today. And that's, you know, go back five years ago and that wasn't the case. Yeah, no, definitely. And, uh, like you said, it's, you know, I know we're like, we always put each other over and stuff like that, but it really is like, it's, it's great in the sense that not only do, you know, we all love.
01:33:53
Speaker
you know, professional wrestling. We all love creating content, stuff like that. The best thing about it is the the meeting, like us meeting each other and all us being kind of like, you know, long distance, you know, friends, essentially, you know, these these relationships and people you never would have met ever in your life if if, you know, something like this didn't happen. Like it's crazy to think about that. And like I thought about that when I went to Chicago for all out weekend or brawl out weekend, if you will. But like, yeah, meeting up with Bellcaster and Tom and like,
01:34:21
Speaker
meeting up with Hawk and then seeing them in person and it's bizarre and then when I went young Anthony and like these are people that you would run into in the street and never know but like it feels like we know each other intimately at this point because like we see each other more than you see some of your friends that like yeah that live close by to you no it's true yeah we talked about that uh
01:34:40
Speaker
me and Jay, well, when Jay bone came up, you know, uh, to Boston, he, uh, we, we like, we hung up like two hours, I think before like, we like met up like before the game started. And we just, we went to a, uh, we went to this restaurant. It was me, my wife, him and his wife and his brother. And I think his brother's wife and we just like, like we never, like, obviously we, we, we haven't seen each other like in, in person, in person, but like, it was like, we never, it didn't even
Community Building & Iconic Matches
01:35:07
Speaker
matter. It was just like, you know,
01:35:08
Speaker
I was like, oh, hey, J-Bone. And then we just sat down, drank something, ate something, and chatted it up. And it wasn't any nervousness at all. It was just like, the only nervousness was like, oh, I've actually seen this person in real life. But other than that, it just felt like another hangout session, which is weird, dude. Very strange.
01:35:31
Speaker
That's beautiful. I mean, think about it. It's it's men and tights that have created that dynamic where we we foster these relationships from this passion of pro wrestling. And it's so beautiful because like like you said, these people were never going to know what we wouldn't have known. And future people like think about the bridge in the gap. Like you're in Massachusetts. I'm on Long Island and J Bones in Louisiana and.
01:35:52
Speaker
Yeah, belt casters in Chicago and Chad's are in West Virginia. Like just that alone, being able to like connect the dots with people that and meet up for shows and have conversations about wrestling. It's just it's it's crazy, but really awesome.
01:36:05
Speaker
Um, let me, uh, so the last question I always leave off, if you listen to the show, the last question is always, it's a hard one. It can be hard. A lot of people like to pick two or three, but we kind of talked about this earlier where, you know, you have the people that drop off of wrestling. They might be, they might've been wrestling fans before, you know, they stopped watching at some point. Um,
01:36:26
Speaker
What match, I'm going to kind of elevate it. What match, what storyline and match they have to run concurrent. Would you show to a person that dropped off of wrestling to bring them right back into wrestling? Could be, could be past, present, anyone. Like it could be way in the past.
01:36:46
Speaker
Um, what storyline and match? Cause I think it's, when I say match, it's like, eh, you have to have a build. So I want the build to the match. And it has to be the, the, the result is a match. What would you show that person to say, Hey, I know you're out of wrestling, but this right here, this is going to fucking bring you back.
01:37:03
Speaker
i would say sammy zane roman rain's elimination chamber in montreal just the electricity in that crowd okay finish be damned whatever was the right decision was it the wrong who cares just the atmosphere there would how could you not be caught up in what was happening there so if i had someone who's never experienced pro wrestling
01:37:22
Speaker
I would show them that match, show how electric it was, how over Sammy was, how despised Roman was. That's wrestling in a nutshell. Yeah. Uh, other matches, like if I've, if someone's never seen wrestling, I would want to show them like Hogan rock wrestling in the 18. I think that has the electricity that you're looking for a palpable that.
01:37:39
Speaker
They don't do a lot. Like if you watch the match on mute, they don't do a lot of things, but the storytelling is magnificent with the facials and all that. But I also to give AW some love. I was in the building for it. Brian Danielson, Kenny Omega was the most electric I've been in the building for.
01:37:54
Speaker
a wrestling match and I've been at WrestleMania as I've been at SummerSlams. That was the most like tangible like you could almost see it hanging in the air. And for me that I mean, the fact that Danielson and Omega are two my favorites of all time linking up just the electric I mean, it's about the moment and that created one for me and I'll always remember it.
01:38:15
Speaker
Oh yeah, no, that Def for like, for sure was a definite dream match or they could have definitely made a lot of money off of if they put it on a pay-per-view.
01:38:25
Speaker
But Tony was like, you know what? Let's put on TV for free. I was going to say that or Brian and head hangman as well. When they went to the to the limit, that was pretty awesome. Oh, that was awesome. Yeah, the only other part, the only rocker from boot to the face. He's he's the only one on the show that's picked the whole getting
01:38:48
Speaker
Hogan rock match and he said, you know, we had a conversation about Hogan and stuff like that But yeah, he he says, uh, you know, he's like for what it's worth like, you know, say what you want about Hogan He's like that match right there. Like if you want to show somebody that's not a wrestling fan, um
01:39:06
Speaker
a match like a wrestling match show them that show the bill to that and then show them that match and they'll get exactly what you know professional wrestling is like it's not obviously they're not doing flips and not doing anything crazy like you said it's facial expressions it's just you know
01:39:22
Speaker
It's a slow pace. They take their time in the match. The crowd, obviously, is insane. They flip from cheering Hogan to booing him at one point, cheering The Rock to booing The Rock. It's all encompassing. And then if you watch the build, the packaging for it, you know who The Rock is, obviously. You know who Hulk Hogan is. And now you have these two icons going at it. That's a perfect way to, I think, to bring somebody in. So you're the second person I brought that match up.
01:39:52
Speaker
Yeah, I just, I think wrestling is about moments. I love work rate. Like that's me. I love watching the technical side of things, the Kurt angles and the, you know, the Brian Daniels sins, that side of wrestling for me is just where it's at. But as you want to, the question is driven towards bringing in someone who doesn't.
01:40:09
Speaker
doesn't like wrestling, hasn't watched wrestling. I think it's important to capture two things. It's the energy of the crowd and the atmosphere. And it's also well-defined characters. And there's no one more well-defined nowadays than Roman Reigns. He's someone that's so, you know who he is, you know how, just watching him once, you know exactly who his character is. He's the man. He's the guy who carries his company on his shoulders. And then even like watching the match with Sammy,
01:40:34
Speaker
Just it was the perfect encapsulation of what pro wrestling could be. And I understand it's elimination chamber and the ending left people sour. Same thing with Cody in Roman to at WrestleMania at that moment, despite the ending, you just watch the like very rarely like watching that mania. I felt like a kid again. And it's very rare that wrestling can do that to you where you sit and you're watching with people. And I was watching with the remarkable crew and like the whole place was just like it was buzzing for Cody's entrance. And, you know, negative one is out there. Brody Jr. And like
01:41:05
Speaker
All that is just you can't recreate its moment in time and some of the best wrestling moments. And that's where you see the vision of the sports entertainment piece of it, that it's you understand why they sacrifice work rate a lot of ways because you you you get the moment. But like you get the best of both worlds. There's there's a world where you can have I mean, the Sammy match in Roman was very good, too. That's the other piece of it. And it had the atmosphere piece. So those are two big pieces that you want to have and check both boxes. Oh, yeah, definitely.
01:41:34
Speaker
I think we'll end it. I think we'll end it there. You know what? I'm going to say thank you for joining. This is great. Like I said, this is the first time we actually got to sit down and talk one-on-one and talk, actually have a conversation about
01:41:52
Speaker
about wrestling as opposed to, you know, talk about like the actual like product and what's going on and things like that. And, um, I definitely look forward to, you know, hopefully working with you again at some point on the tavern. I know there's a lot of opportunities because you can just hop on whatever you want on some of the wrap up shows. I think it might start doing that. Um, I always see it. I'm like, damn, I wish I could jump on, but obviously some things always usually happen. Oh yeah.
01:42:17
Speaker
Yeah, but definitely thank you for showing up and definitely want to give you your credit. Like I said at the beginning of the show before I introduced you, I think definitely you are like one of the war courses. I think you could definitely make an argument for other people, but like I said, you do a lot. I mean, you do more shows than anyone.
01:42:37
Speaker
that I can think of on the tab right now. Besides, like fake night, you're pretty much like on a lot of the shows. Yeah, I do. I do appreciate that, dude. And like really just the idea of just the opportunity to to talk wrestling with different people and the open door for for shot nostalgia. If you'd like to pick a Saturday's main event episode that you want to just, you know, let me know. I put that out in the tavern chat. So
01:43:00
Speaker
We are taking a hiatus after this season, so it's going to be a 30 week break. So this is the opportunity to, if there's a Saturday night's main event episode from, we're about to jump into 88, but from 88 until, you know, even the ones they renewed an oh eight. And, you know, let me know. You could pop on with us and it's crazy how Sean nostalgia almost creates situations. Like we're going to get the return on NBC again, like just with this TV deal. I'm like, yeah, it's insane how like that's happening now that we're covering it. It's kind of crazy.
01:43:28
Speaker
That's now you have some more stuff to to to exactly reignite the season. So it looks like it looks like it's like a multi year deal that's going to be happening. So yes, at four, four episodes of Saturday Night's Main Event on NBC. So that's insane. That's insane to think about. Can you imagine that? I hope they leave the same presentation. And we were talking about in wrestling tonight, maybe with obviously USA as Smackdown.
01:43:52
Speaker
It's not a guarantee that they leave raw from Smackdown, but I don't think they're going to pay for both. So that means that raw is up for grabs, whether they go to, to me, I think it's a non-traditional streaming platform. It's going to be Netflix, Amazon, maybe an Apple TV, something like that, that wants to use something that's consistent and driven that brings eyes to whatever they're trying to do.
01:44:10
Speaker
But we'll see, man, because they are trendsetters. I think WWE continues to set the trend about what's next. The network was game changing for everybody, even for media, not just for wrestling, for entertainment at large. Think about 10 years ago that they had the foresight to say, we're going to put streaming for $9.99. That's unheard of. They're going to buck the pay-per-view model. They're going to change everything. Everyone laughed at them. Look at it now. Yeah. Look at it now. Insane.
01:44:37
Speaker
Yeah, like I said, say what you want, obviously about, uh, you know, Vince McMahon and, you know, where he's at mentally and, you know, jokes about that. But that dude is, uh, Lee said, he's definitely a visionary. Insane. But, um, like I said, we'll, uh, we'll end it here again. Thank you for being on the show. I definitely, definitely love to have you again. If you'd
01:44:59
Speaker
like to for sure dude thank you for coming let me know if you can be at namesbury you know if you if you come let me know we'll link up before or after oh yeah no definitely and um like i said i'll probably you know i wasn't gonna i would just say it on the show but i'm gonna i'm gonna start you know maybe taking this show in like you know different not a different direction but obviously doing like you know doing interviews but maybe doing like you know
01:45:21
Speaker
like solo shows or something like that. So, you know, just talking, you know, they can be treated if I can. Obviously, if I can't get a guest, I don't want it to like, you know, the show to disappear. So, right. I might like, you know, call someone up in the tavern and be like, hey, you want to hop on real quick and I'll just let me know about something. That's pretty much my my idea behind it is so because you kind of said it before. Once you once you're not consistent, people go elsewhere. So I don't want it to change in that sense. But
01:45:47
Speaker
Just give everyone a little preview of what's going to probably happen with the open mic thing. And some other things I have some ideas for about the show. But we'll end it there. And again, everyone, thank you for listening. If you listened to it for the first time, like I said, last time for a long time, I appreciate it. Either way, definitely check out everybody on the Pod Foundation.
01:46:13
Speaker
at Pod Foundation on IG, that's where you get all the updates. It's back up and running, so that's your one-stop shop for all the new and noteworthy things that are happening with us. But until then, I'll talk to you later.