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Daylight (1996)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris try to survive underground with Stallone and discuss the 1996 disaster movie Daylight, which just got released on 4K.
Stallone stars as Kit Latura, the disgraced former chief of the New York Emergency Medical Services. When an explosion collapses both ends of one of the tunnels that leads from New York City to New Jersey, Kit springs into action to try and rescue the survivors, an eclectic group including a group of juvenile prisoners, an elderly couple, and a vacationing family. Zach and Chris discuss the insane series of events that led to the tunnel explosion, if Kit had a death wish, the inconsistent threat of hypothermia, the archaic model of the tunnel that is used to plan the rescue, and more.
You can check out the 4K of Daylight and also rent it on services like Amazon, Apple TV, and Fandango at Home. Next week, we're celebrating the 25th anniversary of Final Destination and getting ready for the new entry in the franchise later this year.
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Transcript
Introduction and Host Welcome
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the podcast week of March 10th, 2025. I'm your host, Zach. I'm co-host, Chris.
Surviving 'Daylight' with Stallone
00:00:27
Speaker
And this week we were trying to survive underground with Stallone and talking about the 1996 disaster movie Daylight because it just got a 4K release this week. You can watch it in all its high def glory.
00:00:39
Speaker
And, yeah, so what what one of the... right Right at the peak of 90s disaster movies... and I think 96 was a pretty huge... don't know if you looked into those scripts, but, like, it was Twister, Daylight... um I think it was also... I don't think... i'm spain I think it was Independence Day, yep, those three.
00:01:01
Speaker
next Next year was, like, Volcano, Dante's Peak, and then I think, like, 98 was, like, Armageddon, Deep Impact... I think that was the tail end of that.
00:01:12
Speaker
Yeah, 96 was definitely the huge, like big kickoff of overdoing disaster movies now.
00:01:18
Speaker
Yeah, if you were a big moviegoer back then in the theaters, like almost every season guaranteed a blockbuster thing.
Is 'Daylight' a Christmas Movie?
00:01:28
Speaker
And this was like a movie that came out in December, so...
00:01:31
Speaker
yeah it was like Is this technically like a Christmas movie? Maybe. yeah It's weird. It feels like it should have been like a big like summer blockbuster. Like, Stallone! July!
00:01:44
Speaker
No, but it's like December. But that's because of the one gimmick of the movie does the weather come into a factor.
Forgotten Plot Points and Movie Setup
00:01:51
Speaker
Oh, because it's yeah using so cold. It's i have hypothermia.
00:01:55
Speaker
It comes in for one gimmick and it's pretty much forgotten and because like um Because people are in it for like minutes at time, and no like ah yeah they're constantly in the water, and it's just like, oh I'm a little chilly. Yeah, I mean, if it's so some it's still cold water, regardless of what year, but I think because it was like the winter season, that's the the the holiday season. I guess it also adds to the traffic in New York, because everyone was holiday driving.
00:02:26
Speaker
Maybe, yeah. But that is like the craziest opening I've seen for a disaster movie. It goes on for like 20 minutes. Yeah. so So the basic setup is that there is an unnamed tunnel in New York, which I think, Chris, we were talking before. like You think it's like a combination. It's like a hybrid of the Lincoln Tunnel and the Holland Tunnel.
00:02:48
Speaker
Which is, I think, the two major tunnels in Manhattan. They haven't made any others. Especially, he's just the two that go to Jersey, I think. Everything else is a bridge. Yeah. so um And they didn't want to name one structure.
00:03:00
Speaker
so it biggest The biggest one's safe, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if that was just, like, a creative decision. Because if if you don't... If you're not using a real structure, the tunnel could be, like, this insane maze that they have in there.
00:03:14
Speaker
That, like... Would be more interesting. Like, way more stuff would be going on in there. it's like, this is the new tunnel we built last year. It's the whatever tunnel. And then it could be something where it's like secretly like a weapons depot or something.
00:03:28
Speaker
See what I mean? Like, you can really go crazy with like new tunnel compared to ah fake historical tunnel that, um, they went the wrong direction with how crazy that, that like, um, historical tunnel, because the movie really, really tries to introduce you like concepts that they just immediately like forget.
Tunnel Explosion and Convoluted Plot
00:03:50
Speaker
But yeah, so but the, but the, it's a, tunnel collapses, there's a and then there's people trapped in the tunnel. and they think like now Let's go back. let's go back Let's go back to why the tunnel explodes. but that's I was setting it up, and but then we have to talk about how how it collapsed. because yeah it's It's one of the most convoluted, crazy setups for ever for a disaster movie. cause you know Other disaster movies, it's like, oh, there's a volcano.
00:04:13
Speaker
There's a tornado. This is like five steps to get to the tunnel exploding. But individually, I guess it wouldn't be enough. like But I feel like the main thing was the um but like brightly lit, what looks like Joker dust powder of like chemical waste. like It looks like should have a comic book of like why would they like color code their waste dust like this? And it's also just like open air like piles of waste, of like toxic waste. Yeah.
00:04:48
Speaker
Do you think that will was with those in those barrels? Is that dust? I guess it was. like i See? and i i feel I feel like when I think toxic waste, I feel like more of like a goo. Like it's some sort of weird sludge or something.
00:05:00
Speaker
When you think of waste, that's actually like byproduct. And this, it's like neatly like color piles that almost remind me of like the 1960s Batman movie where like they de-waterfy all the like the UN. Mm-hmm.
00:05:17
Speaker
But yeah, it's like color-coded piles that... um I guess it's like fine if you don't put it in a barrel, but the moment you put in a barrel and shake it, now it's like a problem. So yeah, so there is a ah super shady waste management firm, I guess, according to Wikipedia in upstate New York, somewhere. don't whereas we we're shipping toxic waste down to New Jersey.
00:05:39
Speaker
But yeah, this this crew of three trucks ah are bringing toxic waste down to New Jersey dump it. And then... ah there is a gang of punks who rob a guy who is like has a briefcase full of jewels, like diamonds on his wrist.
00:05:56
Speaker
I think that was a jeweler. Jeweler. They stand steal his briefcase full of diamonds. And then they're in a cart chase with the cops. And then they enter the tunnel tunnel. The trucks are tunnel.
00:06:08
Speaker
There's a huge crash. And ah the trucks explode. The cart explodes. Everything explodes.
Characters and Disaster Tropes
00:06:16
Speaker
On top of that, you also have every major character is introduced in some and like but some sort of reasoning for them to be in the tunnel.
00:06:24
Speaker
Which, there's like, don't know, like five or six character instructions. It's like ah it's very in the it's very much in the vein Roland Emmerich, where it's likes like, we gotta introduce all of our characters in different little scenes to get them all into one disaster.
00:06:39
Speaker
You know what's also kind of weird is like, the punks in that movie, they look like they're at a Robocop. Oh my god, yeah. They're like 80s apocalyptic punks. like What guys are like a full face tattoo?
00:06:54
Speaker
I had to be like, oh, this is a 90s movie, but somehow those characters... Mid Yeah, mid 90s, right before like Millennium takes over, and you get basically like the last Redmond of like 80s punks that take a daring gem heist, because they came prepared. It wasn't like a... They just mugged the guy. like They came up with like bolt cutters.
00:07:16
Speaker
Yeah, because they seem like morons. They seem like idiot punks, but then they have like bolt cutters. They know exactly what to do with it. And then them going to the tunnel was stupid because I didn't know what they were going to do. It's like, you're in a tunnel.
00:07:31
Speaker
Why would you go in a tunnel? um And yeah and and it's like we find out there's a bunch of cameras. like they can just the they can close out They can close the tunnel, like put up Roblox, and call the cops on the other side of the tunnel.
00:07:43
Speaker
Yeah. um But like, it It was also weird because the people in the car, ah they didn't know how to brake. just Oh, it's like the diamonds spill out and then the one guy's girlfriend or like the one the girl on the crew is like on the floor under the driver trying to find these diamonds and she like presses the gas pedal. Accelerate it, yeah. He's like, I can't i can't stop the gas pedal.
00:08:10
Speaker
And then they crash and like fly into the car, flips her over and flies into one of the Toxic Waste dump trucks. So they're all dead. like that That car full of idiots are just gone. yeah That would be crazy if they were the survivors. See what I mean? like This movie introduces you a lot of like fun concepts. Are like okay are we focused on this? Nope.
00:08:32
Speaker
and then what It's like a lot of, like we said, roll and emark of ah everyone's here. all these like the The main cast is all in this tunnel. You've got yeah you got Amy Brenneman, who's like a screenwri or a theater writer who's fed up with New York.
00:08:46
Speaker
her apartment she lives in the worst apartment in your york your history it's full of rats and cockroaches No, man, that's just New York. I guess that is just New York. but I don't know where she lives. I mean, she like she looked maybe the Bronx? but but Like, the 90s? It was not a good time.
00:09:01
Speaker
But yeah, she's she's like like, she's dating or seeing like a married man who won't like leave her family his family for her. And her she's not selling she's not selling plays. she's like Her friend is like forcing her to like take wait waitress shifts.
00:09:14
Speaker
So she's like, I'm out of here. um' I'm leaving New York. They didn't make it in the city. Yeah. there's ah There's a prison bus full of of ah inmates who are getting transported to that prison, I guess.
00:09:25
Speaker
and think it was like a correctional youth. Yes. Or yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like a youth facility or something. but they But they're like inmates. There's an elderly couple with their dog who are taking their dog to like a vet like ah special vet in New Jersey, I guess. um Because they they can't see like a local vet, maybe a specialist. Yeah.
00:09:46
Speaker
ah No, they're taking the dog to a psychiatrist. Oh, is that even it? It's even crazier? Okay. i think it's Yeah, I think it's crazier because like they're treating the dog like... They're saying that like the the dog has anxiety or something.
00:10:01
Speaker
I kind of miss it. it was something weird. like It's very poshy in the way they're treating their dog, but like because they are affluent, they're like, we need to take our dog to Colts Neck, New Jersey for their like
Science Fiction or Fictional Science?
00:10:12
Speaker
um special therapy, I guess.
00:10:15
Speaker
Yeah. And then you have the family, who I think are on vacation in New York, and their vacation's over, Wait, they're leaving New York?
00:10:26
Speaker
I believe so. I think their vacation's over, and they're like leave they're supposed they're trying to like leave New York. I thought they were going to like they were going away as a family.
00:10:35
Speaker
Oh, you see, that they live in New York, and they're like going somewhere else to have vacation? Yeah, they were going on a family vacation. Maybe, yeah. why yeah Yeah, because I think like the daughter makes side comments is like, oh, did you do this with your mistress?
00:10:48
Speaker
Did you enjoy... Yeah. a big Baby Danielle Harris before she was a screen queen? Well, she already was. She already did like Halloween 2, 3? you 4, 5. So already did that, I think.
00:11:03
Speaker
then She was like, well, I'm going be in the Stallone movie. Then she's like, oh, I'm going to go back to horror movies, I guess. Yeah.
00:11:11
Speaker
And then Viggo Mortensen is Roy Nord, who's this mountaineering fashion ah like celebrity who is trying to ah to... He's trying get a meet... Is he leaving for a trip? Or is he leaving for a... A branding deal.
00:11:35
Speaker
A branding deal or something? Yeah. So he's in his like his branded Hummer driving through like the tunnel.
00:11:41
Speaker
And of course, Stallone, who is a limo driver, although they they keep calling him a cab driver, but he drives a limo. And he's driving like a doctor to like somewhere ready take tunnel.
00:11:53
Speaker
But fortunately for them, they like they they are outside the tunnel when it blows up. but then ands so Which lets Stallone jump into action start helping people. Because he used to be an EMS... like I think he was the chief of the yeah EMS, right?
00:12:07
Speaker
and But then he like got fired because people died on his watch. Yep.
00:12:16
Speaker
But yeah, he yeah he jump he jumps right back in and is like forcing the doctor. He was driving to like help people. And then i do I do love that every major character they introduce is engulfed in, like, an atomic blast of fire and they and their car is fine.
00:12:32
Speaker
But everyone else, all, like, the nobody extras are, like, dead. Okay. everyone Almost everyone. um And, okay, okay. So, two things about that blast. One...
00:12:44
Speaker
ah It changes how intense it is based on the character. That's what this I'm saying. like yeah All the main characters survive intact, but anyone who's not a main character has turned into an incinerated skeleton. know but like Characters that would be closest to the bomb, like but their car would have melted, and then they're fine. But then like people in the back...
00:13:11
Speaker
who basically, like, would it would the flames would be as intense. They like they just died instantly. like it was It's weird. But I think another thing was almost all those people, like, they weren't in the front seat. Like, they all ducked.
00:13:24
Speaker
That's escape, like, this giant blast. You just duck down. You duck down. The front windshield doesn't have to blow up. You just need a duck.
00:13:34
Speaker
yeah a lot a lot it wasn't like ah Also, it wasn't like summer where all the windows were open and only those people's windows closed lived. It was like, like you said, it was randomly just the eliminator of like all the extras.
00:13:50
Speaker
they are going Yeah, go on. All the main characters, the only thing that really happens is is like their windows blow out. and then But then they're fine. They don't even get any burn. It's not of them but blow out. Not all of them blow out. Like the the rich couple, their car is just like fine. Like they they just seem like they got stuck.
00:14:05
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's it charred, but their windows are still there. and and And yeah, no one has any burns. No one is like it' really injured that much. and then other But then everyone else in the tunnel is like, they look like they got caught in like a nuclear blast.
00:14:22
Speaker
ah yeah It varies. Either they die from a head injury somehow, or they're incinerated from like a fallout bomb. like you know They all look like they are surviving a post-apocalyptic wasteland. And it's just like, what?
00:14:36
Speaker
don't It could be the chemicals. Maybe the chemical fire is different. Maybe. A nuclear waste underuc waste blast is different. Maybe. You just have to have, like... Also, maybe it's like if you're in that tunnel and you have, like, a weird thing going on in your life, this, this like, tunnel will, like, figure it out for you. Almost everyone that tunneled had some trauma.
00:15:07
Speaker
It's sentient fire. It's like, i this first this person needs to deal with their trauma. I'll let them live to like experience this event. It's pretty much like yeah um the rapture. it was just like a rapture fire. Everyone that pretty much was like left behind needed saving.
00:15:23
Speaker
yeah Is this an allegory for this? I feel like there's so there's weirdly a lot of like religious undertones about daylight. Maybe that's why we wanted Nicolas Cage to start it originally.
00:15:35
Speaker
he was in Left Behind. Yeah, yeah Well, that was the remake years later. Yeah. I unfortunately saw the goddamn Kirk Cameron one, which was insane. Oh, God, yeah. Super insane.
00:15:46
Speaker
um But, yeah, that this movie, i mean, the you don't need a lot of these casts because some characters are like repeats of each other. Like the people, the the gang, and like the prisoners on the bus is pretty much like some people are pretty exact duplicates.
00:16:04
Speaker
Mm-hmm. um the like old lady and then the mom from Steve's family. yeah they They are like almost the same character sometimes. Well, gets even stranger because after a certain point, they're all like, like because like they're setting up like it's, they said like, oh, there's gonna be a bunch of conflicts. Like, it's you know, it's ah all these different people from different different backgrounds are all like forcing this situation together. now they're gonna be like like fighting and stuff.
00:16:29
Speaker
But then i think, I think it's after they save George, the ah like tunnel guard from under the car. Everyone's just like, we're all like, kumbaya, we're all friends now. They're all like, they say a lot of like, not only that, they get very like motivational. It's like, we can do anything. believe in you, like but we can overcome. And then they say like crazy stuff like, we can build a dam, like we can do things. and like Okay, I get, I am appreciate the enthusiasm.
Stallone's Heroic Plan
00:16:58
Speaker
You've been together for like maybe two hours? Yeah. This movie all takes place three hours. Mm-hmm. It's the craziest three hours of ah of a tunnel sequence, but it makes sense on, like, ah on why, like, the MTA, I guess the, yeah, it's the MTA, I guess, the... the that but like The tunnel people is MTA. They're just like, we need to blow up this tunnel to like fix it now.
00:17:28
Speaker
Because they want to resume traffic. But yeah, we we'll get into that. um I forget, we're still right at the but like Salone outside part. He's not even introduced fully yet. Yeah, he's just kind of running around yeah like seeing who needs help and getting people a out of cars and know doing stuff. And then he skitches on the back of a fire truck and like rides into the like but middle of like what's happening.
00:17:53
Speaker
But his introduction is cool because it makes it seem like he's very mysterious. He's just like a normal cab. Like not even normal. I mean, Salone looked like an action star as the limo driver.
00:18:05
Speaker
He just looked like he's just wearing a checkered shirt. But um he still looks very, you know, superhero proportion for what he is.
00:18:16
Speaker
Uh, but I love that like in the backstory, it's like a different movie happened. It's like, Oh, Hey, you can't be here. You know, like, you know, at least one EMS guy recognizes him in the beginning.
00:18:31
Speaker
And then that's like where you understand like, Oh, there's a history, but like, let's just keep that hush hush for now until we basically have to like unload on the viewer. What's going on.
00:18:42
Speaker
But, that that's I enjoy that. It's not a straight up like, oh, he's an EMS chief already. like He's just a cab driver, but he's very knowledgeable. He's very cool-headed.
00:18:54
Speaker
like he jumps out He drops a bunch of like medical jargon on the EMS. like like The Amos worker is like, I got a defibrillator artery over here. like Get over here and like fix it. Yeah, just issuing orders.
00:19:07
Speaker
and then um In that chaos, ah it's like... The movie had been different, because it's like, he reminds me of like the Tom Lee Jones character from Volcano.
00:19:20
Speaker
Where he isn't like a problem, like he doesn't have to be like a renegade or some guilt-ridden person, he's just like a guy doing his job. Yeah.
00:19:30
Speaker
And ah that was like a trope back then. I think you still see it now and then, but the person who's like definitely like the right man for the job, but he can't do his job. Well, because there's all the bureaucrats atop there stopping him from doing his job. like he knows what's right you know the right thing to do, but they won't let him.
00:19:48
Speaker
Because he wants to he wants to blow the roof of the tunnel or something. because he they did equal like his plan he he He wants to blow something up so that equalizes the pressure and then stops the fire from spreading or something.
00:20:02
Speaker
And then look they're like, you're crazy. We're going to go into this, like, which I do love that his replacement, like, Mark Ralston, like, this douchey guy from California is like, shut up, like, Kit.
00:20:16
Speaker
We're going into this tunnel. And then the second he goes into that tunnel, he collapses and kills him. They're like, well, I guess you're, I'm, Daniel Day, you're the chief now. He's like, well, we're going with Stallone's plan.
00:20:30
Speaker
Well, in the way they, like, sort of write off the other guy, the the the actual chief, yeah it's like he got pancaked. It's just like the way he says it, and then it's like, oh, California guy got pancaked. It's like, I guess they weren't close.
00:20:47
Speaker
Because he says it so nonchalantly. He was in a really New Yorker. I like the yeah love the, like, dumb motivational thing he says before he dies. Where he's like,
00:21:00
Speaker
You know, the they always say, like, you can't do it until you're the first person to do it, and then instantly he dies. yeah It's so good. i love it and love that every scene like they kill off every person who is like, I know the i know the best way to do this.
00:21:16
Speaker
ever except Anyone who like but challenge Stallone as the guy who knows what's going gets horribly murdered. you know what's funny? I also think if you write this movie in another way, Salone's the one causing these problems to get his job back.
00:21:32
Speaker
like it He sabotaged the Brit. like He hired the guys to like run the toxic waste through He's the one who also got like the the jeweled thieves to tell him where to go and then yeah hopes that like this would happen. like He orchestrated it in a weird, almost Joker-esque way.
00:21:49
Speaker
Yep. and of End of this movie. like A cell phone drops from his pocket and it just like all the details. It's just like... It's the fax to the jeweler to, like, do all this. It's the, like... It's like a ah usual suspects, like, reveal scene, where she's just, like, talking to every single person beforehand.
00:22:08
Speaker
He's the one... Because he's perfectly there in all these situations, like... he's outside of the tunnel while explodes. Like, he he knows how to get to the office. He knows all this. And then it's like, he's the one who set up the drill. And it's like, wait a minute. Like, he sets up the the terrorist attack, that 95, that explains why he can yeah understands the ins and outs of that tunnel.
00:22:29
Speaker
Yeah. That's his big selling point. it's like we did like We did like a drill, 95, or 94, or whatever year it was. No, 95. Yeah. Because then he got fired after that.
00:22:43
Speaker
I like this movie does take place in and like a very fixed time in New York where um like you know ah lot of things in the world has changed right before it. But in 1994 to 1997, I think, like get away with crazy stuff.
00:22:56
Speaker
like Chemical transportation, no yeah no police like checkpoints. um You still had people manning the tunnel. Which, I think, by the time... Yeah, the toll booths in the tunnel.
00:23:10
Speaker
Not even toll booths, they were just, like, guards. But, like, they stopped that in the 90s. Because, like, back then when I was a kid living in New York, there was no one in those toll booths. They still had the boots.
00:23:22
Speaker
They were just dirty and, like, really just remnants. I think completely now they're gone. Mm-hmm. ah Especially in the Holland Tunnel, they used to have a track. that but They used to have like a monorail that the person to travel.
00:23:35
Speaker
You had to write you had to like get in this cart. And then eventually they're like all this smog and stuff were like really bad for the toll worker. i'm like well what What was was was that the tunnel worker going to do for a car? like Get out? like like Run after the car? Well, back then you could. but i mean That's because you had the cart. But then they got rid of the track. So now what?
00:23:58
Speaker
jumping the middle the street. like And then I think, like, Lincoln Tunnel, there's no track. There's no, like, um monorail system that they had. So that's, like,
Character Dynamics and Teamwork
00:24:10
Speaker
weird.
00:24:10
Speaker
um But, yeah, the the thing is, like, is George the only guard in that whole tunnel for the one side? Or just address just the section that like collapsed? like he was like He was the only guard in that section that when it collapsed, there's other guards maybe like further down maybe or something?
00:24:30
Speaker
We never see any other guards in this whole movie. we We have to imply that there are guards, but we don't see anyone else. Because he cause he shows up and then... i feel there's other get like other guys, but then they're like, oh we're go we're going on fire sections or whatever. and' like He's like, alright.
00:24:47
Speaker
yeah He's doing this whole thing with like the bracelet and... talking to his girlfriend on the camera and
00:24:56
Speaker
or over the walkie or whatever.
00:25:04
Speaker
was going to go back. it' so like um We were talking about like how like everyone who chose Sloan gets killed. It's like Mark Rolston it's it's like mark rollullton And then Vico is like i'm gonna get like, I have to have all my mountaineering equipment in my Hummer. I'm going to go into this like ah tunnel and get us out of here. I'll find a way out. And then he gets pancaked by like a giant piece of debris.
00:25:31
Speaker
and It's like whatever shaft was like holding there, it was just like a hanging door, which I couldn't figure out was already there before the explosion.
00:25:42
Speaker
yeah it was it was It was just like a ah shaft full of just like jagged metal that was just like hanging precariously.
00:25:51
Speaker
and that yeah that So that was going to happen regardless of like him in there.
00:25:57
Speaker
like you know but Even before the explosion. It makes it seem like this death trap like um room exists. This shaft thing. Oh, that yeah, it's like that shaft was closed off. like like there should be and That was like covered in cement, but then like the the the explosion like opened it up. No should have been in there ever.
00:26:18
Speaker
And then he's just like, hell yeah, I have the instincts to know. going to have a so i i have Super Bowl commercials. I can i climb this ah ah shaft with all my brand gear.
00:26:34
Speaker
and i also so i love how he makes Daniel Harris like film him, too, because he's like, we're I'm going to out here. is going to be commercial.
00:26:43
Speaker
But then, yeah, he's killed. And then the other, like, the one, um like, prisoner who is also, like, I'm in charge. Like, he also gets killed. And so, like, everyone everyone like everyone except for, ah like, Stan or Steven, who's, like, would challenge Stallone, gets, like, killed.
00:27:02
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So that makes him, like, the fact, like, so all right, you're charged Stallone. We're not questioning you anymore. So, like, uh, was it like... Khadim?
00:27:13
Speaker
Khadim? Khadim. Yeah. Yeah, like, I thought Khadim was like a young boy, but i don't know, at some points, like, he looks like he's way older at times. Mm-hmm. And he's like towering over Salone.
00:27:27
Speaker
I couldn't tell that was just like a random thing, but, um... Yeah, like, I thought he would be in the movie longer. And any kind of, like, closed community movie where, like, there's tension, you know, there's always, like, a person with, like, murderous intent. And, like, he had murderous and intent.
00:27:44
Speaker
Mm-hmm. But they really remove him early. Well, so they try they try to strangle Salone when he's trying like, because, like, you're like, no, Viggo Morrison's going to get us out of here. Like, don't stop him. And then tries to strangle him with, like, whatever, the climbing rope or whatever. whatever Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:28:03
Speaker
And then, and they kind of, but then after yeah after those two die, like's like, Steven's kind of the only one who's kind of like, well, what are you going to do? ah Like, Latura, how are you to get us out of here? i have a daughter. I'm more important to anyone here.
00:28:20
Speaker
yeah to get You have to get me and my daughter out here.
00:28:24
Speaker
but and even But even he is like, after, like we were saying, like after this, after everyone pitches in to save George, when a ah a truck collapses, like he falls into like a, like a, like a sinkhole opens and like a truck falls onto him and they get him out. And then everyone, after that, everyone's just like, we're all this together. We all like love each other. Now get the whole thing with like, like Mickey, the the other like inmate is like bonding with the the old guy and like the family's all, but like, like, like, cause they were having like massive issues and then they like, all their issues are gone.
00:28:55
Speaker
Like, no one has any problems after that. Yeah. Any other movie would have like this... Maybe draw it out a little bit more. or like have like i you know God forbid, have like the elderly couple be like racist or something, and then they learn not to be racist or something. But it's just like, nope, everyone everyone's everyone's cool. Everyone is like cool with each other.
00:29:19
Speaker
yeah i just looked up online. The actor that played Kadeem is actually married to like the other inmate, ah Trina McGee. like Maybe they missed that in this movie.
00:29:34
Speaker
It's crazy. I'm just like, wait, they're married? A lot of people are like related in this movie. Like, Stallone's son's in here, and then like this married couple, and I'm like, what? They brought them all together? Yeah.
00:29:47
Speaker
It was a magical movie. We
00:29:53
Speaker
forgot to mention, like, like ah Amy Brenneman's, like, crazy... ah but Before Sloane even gets there, like Amy Brenneman's, like, the one who's, like, the hero the tunnels because she does the crazy... um Like, puts her boots on her hands and, like, stops, like, like a live cable from, like, electrocuting everybody.
00:30:13
Speaker
yeah yeah. I couldn't figure out, like... how she really figured out like her shoes were 100% plastic to cover her hands like that? Rubber? Well, she's like, what do you she's like what are you doing in Lightning Storm? are You insulate yourself with rubber.
00:30:27
Speaker
My shoes are rubber. And she puts her shoes on her hands. It's like, well, that's okay. Hopefully that'll work.
00:30:36
Speaker
She got lucky. Yeah.
00:30:39
Speaker
But she's the one like're doing the most like heroic stuff down there until Sloan gets down there. Yeah, that's true. Which is crazy. She's just like a theater writer.
00:30:51
Speaker
it's just like, alright. And then I Sloan later is like, what you got you got the balls. Now everyone had the balls like to do like what you did with that wire. So like you and you and me were going get everyone out here.
00:31:06
Speaker
i like how in that video thing where George has a dude like cut the power, he's figuring out all the hand gestures. Yeah.
00:31:17
Speaker
I think like because they cut the power, there's no more video feed? I think so, yeah I think partially damaged... A lot of the videos like go down when the explosion happens, and there's like a couple left that are barely functioning.
00:31:31
Speaker
But yeah, i think I think when they cut the power, all the other cameras like go down.
00:31:38
Speaker
And then... The way Stallone gets in there into the tunnel, too, is just like a crazy... like Mission Impossible style infiltrating a secret base. Because there's this giant facility that is the ventilation system for the tunnel, and they figure out they can stop it once. They can stop all the fans one time, and Sloan has, what, was it two and a half minutes to get past all the fans or else they got chopped to pieces?
00:32:07
Speaker
Yeah. So then he has like, worm his way through, like, the fans. And he's he's, like, he's cutting it so close every time. Like, every time he gets to new fan, it's, like, he gets through it with, like, one second left before it, like, turns back on to full speed.
00:32:20
Speaker
Okay, so it didn't seem like... i couldn't figure out if the... um If the fans... anded like why he took so long to like slip through each area.
00:32:32
Speaker
That's what I wanted do. It's the same size. like You don't have to find like the one slit that's big enough. like Just like slide through the next one. like He's like crawling across all of them to get to like like a certain spot. like What are you doing, man? like it got frustrating because I couldn't figure out like why he was having like a difficulty getting through because it just made it seem like whenever the movie was like, now wait, he just sort of had a wait in that one spot.
00:32:58
Speaker
yeah It wasn't like he had to flip some toggle. It wasn't like he had to um avoid like a death spot. It was very like dramatic just to be super dramatic. But then you think that's over.
00:33:11
Speaker
But then it keeps going. All the layers and then that win room. And and and like each each each layer has like a its own separate timer running like on the wall.
00:33:23
Speaker
So it's like, it's count it's counting down. And then, yeah, and he's, once he's on the fans, like, he's upside, he's upside down under, he's under the street, like, under the roadway of the tunnel somehow. So that ventilation shift goes, like, under the street, and he's coming up, like, under the street, and he just, like, blows his way into, like, the, through a manhole cover.
00:33:43
Speaker
but But he's, like, hanging, he's basically hanging upside down to, like, try to, like, get this bomb to, like, blow up.
Stallone's Dangerous Mission
00:33:52
Speaker
It's all, it's like, everything, especially in the beginning of this movie, everything is so convoluted and crazy. The way the tunnel collapses, slows way in.
00:34:05
Speaker
But then we were talking about, once he gets in there, it's like he has no plan.
00:34:11
Speaker
So the movie sort of implies that he has a whole thing figured out what to do. But then when like it really starts going wrong and all the plans are failing, he sort of just gives up.
00:34:23
Speaker
Well, his his one move is to do know to another another explosion that'll collapse the one end of the tunnel that they'll cut them off from the fire and the water coming in.
00:34:35
Speaker
because because Because the tunnel is under the... What is what it? what Is it like the ocean? Or is it the... ocean or is it like ah the but the was ocean.
00:34:48
Speaker
Yeah. So there's water coming in because now it's flooding ah because underwater. um So Stallone has is like, we it we need to blow up the the one end where the water and fire is coming from so we can like at least so keep was like safe for a little bit until the rescue team comes.
00:35:07
Speaker
So that's just one play and then after that he's just like, i don't know. I don't have if no other way to get out of here. I don't know.
00:35:14
Speaker
Well, because originally that's what he sold the group that he needed to do in order to like yeah pork the survivors. But then it If... Okay.
00:35:27
Speaker
In a dark way, that was it. Like, that's all he needed to do. And then that's all he wanted to accomplish. And the rest of it was just like to wait for the inedivable? I guess,
00:35:38
Speaker
Because we were saying, like, in some weird way, maybe this is, like, his... Like, i'll i'll go I'll go down as a hero again, and they'll, like, clear my name from that other like time that I, like, got people killed.
00:35:51
Speaker
And then they'll be like, well, you see, try this time, and like but he died doing it. Well, it's also an implied that he didn't want to leave anyone behind. Yeah. Because that's what happened to the last three guys.
00:36:01
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And then... um Yeah, he he regretted that. I think the guilt is sort of what is messing with him. And then he would rather like die trying than not do anything.
00:36:18
Speaker
and The movie like brings that up, and then when you like have you have like very little time to like bake with it, because um i think like at that point, Madeline takes charge, and then she's like, don't give up hope. and he's like, and that's right, we can't give up hope.
00:36:31
Speaker
But even though sometimes he's like, give up on like hope, because...
00:36:40
Speaker
Well, there is there's also like <unk> like the vague threat that one of higher-ups from the MTA showed up or whatever, whatever organizations is it' like, we got the tunnel cleared and they're, they're assuming everyone in the tunnel is dead because they have no way of contacting them through radio or video.
00:36:58
Speaker
So they're like, they're dead. Get the tunnel cleared out. But them drilling on the one end is going to cause like a pressure change or something. They'll like kill cause like kill everyone in the tunnel anyway, because they don't think they're in, they're dead anyway. So that's like, well,
00:37:17
Speaker
it's going to matter at her because they're dead. So like whatever we do is like pressure change or whatever is going to happen is just not do anything. so it's also like stones, like, well, they're, they're drilling and like, we can't get out. So theyre we're to be dead anyway.
00:37:32
Speaker
Cause we have no other way to get out here. yeah So at that point, why are we not just fixing this blockage when we can just drown out the tunnel and then clear it out slowly? Like,
00:37:44
Speaker
Because it's going to take, like, this this project to clean out the tunnel is going to take, like, months. So they want to get it done that night. And they have, like, three hours of air or whatever, however long they can survive in the Yep.
00:37:59
Speaker
I mean, we're not even going back about the implications of them breathing in all those toxic fumes, like, in that tunnel for hours. they kind They kind of, like, do that a little bit the beginning, and they're like, f forget it.
00:38:13
Speaker
They're fine. Because they mentioned like the fans aren't working at full capacity, and then Amy Bredman covers her face with like her scarf to stop the fumes coming in.
00:38:24
Speaker
But then there's like they kind of just give up on her, like, eh, they're fine. like Do you think like like um when Stallone collapsed the other end, filtered the fumes?
00:38:37
Speaker
Yeah. or help the fans, like, be more efficient, maybe, or something? I don't know. Because they definitely don't worry about it. They're more worried about hypothermia. That's, like, the second half the movie is all about hypothermia.
00:38:50
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:54
Speaker
Even though they're all, like, drenched in water constantly.
00:38:59
Speaker
But, um...
00:39:04
Speaker
Oh, I was going
00:39:08
Speaker
to mention, like, too long as the idea of, because, like, thank God he saw that, um the ancient model they drag out ah initially. When the tunnel collapses, they have this like there's a scene where they... We were talking about... like It looks like they bring a coffin into like the MTA or whatever. They need to consult the like tunnel mummy or something. The ancient scrolls. The way they shoot it is as if they're like summoning the dead to figure out their tunnel thing. Or it's some sort of cryptkeeper they're like bringing out.
00:39:41
Speaker
But it's it's like this is this like very crude model of the tunnel. And it's like the only like like way to describe it. Well, here's a tunnel.
00:39:53
Speaker
This has collapsed. It's like a very high-end, high school like model of a tunnel system. But Did he just tell you that in 1996, like, no one wrote shit down?
00:40:07
Speaker
Like, they just build models? Like, up until that point, like, they didn't... tra There's no... You know, no blueprint, no no, like, journal they're reading. It's just like, oh, like, check out this model. And it's all like... This this high this high school...
00:40:20
Speaker
made a model of this tunnel back in, you know, 1970. No, no, it's, like, from the 20s, because it's, like, in the tunnel system, it's, like, Ford T's. So... That's all you... it That's the only information you have. like Okay, so, have you gone to... Wait, Zach, have you gone to, like, a lot of, like, public works, like, buildings, and they have, like, the, like, sometimes they have a display of, like, the building or something, like ah like a model of it?
00:40:46
Speaker
couple times, yeah. So, yeah, it's, like... They're pretty elaborate. I mean, they're more elaborate than this model. But it just seems like they stole that model from, like, the lobby of the building, and then they brought it to the office, which is convenient, because the model comes in its own, like, coffin carrying case.
00:41:04
Speaker
Yeah. And then, like... I don't know, like, no one decided to translate that. No drawings, no sketches. It seems like the... like I bet you right next to this model, there was just probably, like, a portfolio full of, like, blueprints, and then went, fuck it, let's take the model. Like, they just... I would love it in the movie... If there probably was an extra scene where the people who are being called in to help, they, like, panic.
00:41:28
Speaker
They're like, okay, what do we need to bring? Just like, okay, grab that. Like, grab this. It's like, oh, shit. Then, they're like, don't know, gets ruined, and then that's why they need to bring the model. Yeah. Someone spills coffee on the boot prints. Oh, shit!
00:41:43
Speaker
But yeah, thankfully the model has the Deus Ex Machia of there's a ah side kind of like shed like sure like when the the guys that built the tunnel were like living they basically lived underground.
00:41:57
Speaker
like ah Their like work area is like off the side of the tunnel. So that's where Stallone kind of gets like, that's it like his big, like, idea is we need to get to that ah worker building.
00:42:11
Speaker
And there's a, there's a, there's a tunnel under, like, one of the toll booths, or, one of the booths, uh, uh, grates you can get into it.
00:42:22
Speaker
So, so yeah, so everyone has to swim, and jump into, like, the hypothermia, like, the freezing cold water and swim to like, this, uh, uh, was it the Sweathogs? Like, or whatever they called the building.
00:42:36
Speaker
They actually said what it's called? I forgot. They called the guys that built the the tunnel something. like It was like Sweathogs or something that they called them. I missed that. Yeah.
00:42:50
Speaker
Which I do love. like i love how this movie like does, like ah like like, it kind of escalates or like makes it, like, when every time they seem like they're, like, safe, they're like, something else happens. Like, they get to, like, the the work work building and then, like, rats start flying in.
00:43:05
Speaker
That happens way later than you think. Yeah. I thought that would be, like, the first thing that happens after the explosion and the fire. Just, like, a wall of rats? Yeah. cause they're like Because they're, like, trying to get away.
00:43:19
Speaker
A bunch of probably got incinerated. Yeah, that just tells you how like resilient tunnel rats are. But there's still like thousands of rats.
00:43:32
Speaker
but they're kind of like But they're also kind of like the heroes of the movie because they but they like no they're like so like they know the way out! And then they find like the the next tunnel out leads up more to safety.
00:43:45
Speaker
To the daylight, as George says. Get up to the daylight! Yeah, yeah. And that very dramatic... ah Like, okay.
00:43:55
Speaker
It's a lot about, like, hope in this movie, and that's why I mentioned about the religious thing, because George gets so, like, built up, and then just kind of tragically removed in this movie.
Tragedy in the Tunnel
00:44:09
Speaker
Yeah, like, like yeah, he spent so much time with him in the beginning, like, you know, he like he's got, like, you know, he's got the, his girlfriend Grace is, like, but like, the on the surface, like, one of the main people, like, trying to, like, coordinate the rescue, and he's got, like, the bracelet he wants to give her, and, um, they have this whole thing, and then, yeah, he's, he's, like, finding everyone after the explosion, and, like, getting everyone, like, to, like, get back in the group, getting the safety, and then, yeah, he just ran, like, you know, the random, like, this, of, a sinkhole opens up under him, and, like, a car falls onto breaks his neck.
00:44:39
Speaker
Yeah, but it's, like, the tunnel is, um, like, Oh my it's almost like a like villain, because it's like a shark attack on him.
00:44:53
Speaker
It was pretty clever. I don't think I've ever seen it before. In movie where Stallone, I think he rips the fuel line off the car and uses a snorkel, because the water's coming up too.
00:45:05
Speaker
but We can't get we can to get this car off George before like he goes into water, but we can give him this like the snorkel, basically, and he can stay alive. For briefly, before... like, it floods, but there's this whole part Stallone's giving, like, an Oscar performance of telling him how to breathe.
00:45:21
Speaker
And, like, it's super, like, bleak, because I think he knows, like, he can't, like, you know, like, it's it's a, like, doom situation. which just Yeah, just give him a little bit longer, like, which is, like,
00:45:33
Speaker
horrible. like Super horrible, yeah. That'd be like even worse. like You'd be underwater and like you like just like it's historical-like floods. But then that's when everyone shows up. That's like the big like inspirational group moment of like, we're here! We're gonna help!
00:45:47
Speaker
Everyone do it!
00:45:50
Speaker
We can all lose this car together! ah mean it it leads to like a good moment, but... ah it just It's so random because this movie, like, George did no wrong.
00:46:02
Speaker
Like, he just loves his his girlfriend. He's helping everyone. He's helping everyone. like He's very hopeful. He doesn't fight with anyone. Yeah, like, it's like, he's the one that gets, like, paralyzed and forced, they have to leave him behind.
00:46:19
Speaker
Someone's forced to leave him behind. Oh, it's super gloom, because like George is like, you have to leave me He knows it. Sloan knows it. And then like Sloan's like, oh, he didn't make it. like We're not going war... like Don't think about it. and it's like Don't go back there.
00:46:35
Speaker
He just died. From what? He just died.
00:46:39
Speaker
And I mean... think that guilt is what eats at him later on, like more and more. So... That's what... Oh, actually... What is it? I think and this during that time of giving up hope and stuff, it's like George is injured and then Sloane is like, oh crap, like I don't actually have a plan.
00:47:02
Speaker
This was my plan, which is to get here, do that, and then that's it.
00:47:09
Speaker
But it kind of makes sense in a weird way. like He didn't think things through. That's his problem. Is it implied that Kit, Sloane, um hit um like salone did this before in the other place that got him fired?
00:47:24
Speaker
Like, he rushed him with no plan, or, like, he, like, was too reckless, and that's what caused, like, people to die? Yeah.
00:47:32
Speaker
Maybe. Yeah, they they're kind kind of they're kind they're kind of vague about, like, they of just, like, have to, like, really, like like, listen like, the, like, dialogue, like especially between, like, him and, like, Dan Hedaya.
00:47:43
Speaker
Like, Dan Hedaya's brother is, like, one the guys that got killed when in like, whatever happened, like, previously.
00:47:50
Speaker
And then, and but then likesend like, the end of the day, it's like, um we're we're cool, we're cool. Like, because, like, someone's like, I'm sorry about your brother. He's like, that's fine.
00:48:02
Speaker
yeah Like, youre you're the you're the chief now. Like, I trust you.
00:48:09
Speaker
But, uh... Yeah, so the... Although they get to, like, the the workers the worker place, they get to, like... They foul the rats. it's like That's, like, the big thing of, like, foul the rats! Keep fouling the rats!
00:48:25
Speaker
And then they get to... i mean, look it looks like ah like looks like a mine or something. It looks like... like I don't know. It's, like, this, like, giant cavern, basically. um And then, uh...
00:48:38
Speaker
Is it because the is it because like the the drilling in the other end is causing the whole tunnel to be unstable? Yeah, I think it's implied that because they're drilling from the Manhattan side, um the pressure is changing and leaking more water.
00:48:54
Speaker
I'm going to wait more, because it was already. like No matter what, the water was leaking. But I think it was like the foundations cracking more and more as they keep drilling in, because they don't know that they're alive.
00:49:07
Speaker
Yeah. well Regardless, they have to keep going. So that's what's causing like everything else to crumble.
00:49:14
Speaker
But. It's also like scary to think that basically. ah they They sent in Salone and then he's just dead and there's just like, OK, like, you know, like they they had like.
00:49:28
Speaker
They did the movie where like almost the EMS team is sort of like fighting back like how to like prevent the drilling, but they don't. Do you think they're going to have this like like revolt or something, or so one of the characters is about to like stand in?
00:49:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's really it feels like a lot stuff got cut or something, because yeah there's there's after the scene, it's like the one woman shows up, and she's like, get that get this tunnel like opened up like and then well because like the one female ems worker is like defending like the plan and stuff and then like she's like who are you he's like don't matter her name is like she has a point i what i think that's like another actress um yeah and and but it's like her and dan today are like up on the surface you think they would be doing more of like we we gotta figure out our own plan like help them or like we gotta like
00:50:17
Speaker
the nothing. It's like, after a certain point, like but everything on the surface is, like, gone. They don't even go back to the surface anymore. It's all just the tunnel. I mean, it's the but third act where they basically ramp up the tension inside the tunnel.
00:50:32
Speaker
I think it was, like, Joe Anderson? Floon? think she was the yeah EMS worker, or... well she was She was the one that was, like, um like head dirt or like like in the in in the beginning of like the dirt interface and stuff. like She's the one running around with Dan Tadea.
00:50:48
Speaker
yeah. yeah Miss London, like, Rosemary Forsythe is the, like, engineer, like, the head of the engineers of, like, get this tunnel open.
Surface Team and Movie Critique
00:50:57
Speaker
and you The industry engineers can control it now.
00:51:01
Speaker
yeah there's no it's not a rescue operation because everyone's dead. like It's edge it's edge your problem now.
00:51:09
Speaker
and then she just walks out of the movie. Yeah. and And then it's it's sort of it's kind of the last thing we see of like the surface like until like the end. i think There's like one scene of like Grace and like the other like ah her boss like where like, is going to get out of there. I know it.
00:51:25
Speaker
And then Unfortunately, that doesn't happen. buts They're like on the dock outside like the above the tunnel.
00:51:34
Speaker
Yeah. but yeah it is It definitely feels like there's like more there was like more stuff with like ah people on the surface like me like doing trying to figure out more stuff up there. and its is like like Now, cut it.
00:51:48
Speaker
More tunnel stuff. so It's all about the tunnel. Yeah, I hope there is like an director's cut, like extra scenes to sort of piece together some of the other stories. Because in any disaster movie, you see more of the other characters do things too. But in tradition of like a Roland Emmerich thing, once they get to the big bad act, like you just focus on that group. You don't cut back to the other people in safe position just looking at our monitor.
00:52:13
Speaker
um I'll have to check down the novelization and see if there's more in there. How crazy is that there's a novelization that came out during the same time as this? there's i mean it's that's There's always a novelization. Even even today, there's still novelizations of every movie that comes out, basically.
00:52:35
Speaker
I think the Daylight one was famous because it was like ah like a Max Allen Collins one. like He was like the big like the biggest novelization guy back in the day. like if Like, every, every like, it's like Max Allen Collins wrote this. Oh, man.
00:52:51
Speaker
Was it actually good? i I've never um've never read it. i don't... um i'm on I'll be on the hunt for it, but... I think he wrote the, a like, the Alien novelization. think it was, like, his first big one.
00:53:06
Speaker
Really? Okay. And he was, in it he was like, one of the big go-to, like, novelization guys.
00:53:16
Speaker
But they they usually should they usually have like... Because usually like the the novelizations have like earlier stuff in it. Because they have to write it before the movie comes out. Or it's like... They have to base it off like an early script. or like the Whatever script they have.
00:53:30
Speaker
a lot of times there's like lead scenes where things will drastically change from the novelization to the movie. Yeah, that's notorious. I wonder in the end, instead of Salone, like, punching the heart out of the tunnel, he screams and, like, god yes he plunges his, like, whole arm in that hole.
00:53:49
Speaker
Also, what's the tunnel, like, was that mud? Or is that the tunnel just, like, melting? I couldn't figure out, like, where that part was. Well, it's it's... His first explosion caused... It looks like caused it caused just like ah a wall of mud to come down.
00:54:04
Speaker
and that's That's what sealed off the tunnel. And then that's when he like sets the other bomb in to... Because because he and Amy Brannerman fall off... They fall off this like rickety staircase that that everyone else is trying to get up to.
00:54:17
Speaker
And there're there's no way to ah there's a way to get out. So like they're they're trapped in this cave that everyone's in. cave that everyone's in So everyone else has to like move on and try to get themselves out. And then Sloan and Amy Redder are in this cave. And then Sloan's like, we gotta go back to where we started. and and We gotta do the the thing I set up before. Where the guys got the like ejected like a bottle.
00:54:41
Speaker
Like a pressure explosion. It's funny. That's what happened in the first movie we didn't see. Where he got the other guys killed. well i think I think that was like a... like He was talking about like when the people were building the tunnel originally, like a pressure thing happened. Oh, the geyser, right, right.
00:55:01
Speaker
And then one guy survived. Yeah. So Sloan set it up before, and then that's like the the big thing it's for the end. is like We gotta try to do that, because all the only way out is basically pop ourselves out like corks into like the harbor or whatever. Yeah.
00:55:18
Speaker
It have been funny in a whole different, shorter movie if Sloan's first plan was to do that. everyone like Pop everyone out. The dog, the the the juvenile people, just... Let's all do that.
00:55:32
Speaker
if e Hold on, we're gonna... I guess you have to wait until the water got up
Climax and Resolution
00:55:38
Speaker
to like... ah it's The higher the water rises, the more pressure there is. That's why like it's like... yeah whichs like but It's like almost the top of the ceiling with the water, and then that's what... ah eject them out of the but ah tunnel.
00:55:51
Speaker
Yeah, I also think, in reality, doing like a pressure geyser like that would break bones. Probably. From the force of the pressure sending you like a geyser and you're And you're going through... Like, a hundred feet in the air?
00:56:06
Speaker
And, like, concrete and metal and whatever else. Oh, debris. Yeah, debris from the tunnel. Like, the Kadeem guy, he got killed by a rebar going through him.
00:56:17
Speaker
And that was, like, just, like, an air pocket of, like, an explosion. You mean to tell me Salone and Madeline, like, got sucked through a water-like tornado and they come out, like, unscathed?
00:56:33
Speaker
Their skin would be like all cut up. Yeah. But it's fine. It's movie magic. Somehow, Stallone and her were just like perfectly like and don't know in a mech suit or something.
00:56:45
Speaker
but you bishop but I love Stallone's crazy monologue before you like does the bomb. were like He's yelling at the tunnel. like It's like an entity.
00:56:56
Speaker
He's like, you tried to kill You tried to kill me! I found your heart! I'll blow it up! Yeah. It's cool, but it's like, wait a minute, he's just screaming out of a tunnel? Yep.
00:57:09
Speaker
Also, it's implied that later on, like, when the tunnel gets rebuilt, is he gonna, like, come for it for revenge or something?
00:57:18
Speaker
Yeah, like, that's when he actually plans explosion. At that point, it he's the villain. Yep. I'm gonna close you for good.
00:57:29
Speaker
I would love to see a daylight where the first movie, the hero's like, you know, the hero, and then the second movie, the hero's actually the villain, and not like some other person's there to stop him. No one's ever going to get trapped in this tunnel again. I'm to blow it up.
00:57:43
Speaker
And I know how to do it. It's like, this tunnel needs to see, date like, but this tunnel saw its last daylight. Yep.
00:57:54
Speaker
Daylight 2, Nighttime. Nightlight. Yep.
00:58:04
Speaker
But yeah, the end but the the crazy plan of injecting themselves actually does work, because they they they get out. They like explode themselves out into the harbor. Which, you know, for all for all the talk about hypothermia, like they're in like <unk> just swimming in that water for... <unk>t i don't know how it takes hypothermia to set in, but they're in that water for a while. Like, multiple minutes. Until the boat comes.
00:58:29
Speaker
Also, I mean, in in total they have to swim all the way back to where they started at the bomb. And then the water is up to like no's like... It's not like standing room in the... You can't stay in the water anymore. You have to swim in the water because it's like so high. This one tells me this movie was filmed for like a different season.
00:58:45
Speaker
And then they edited it to be winter by the... like you know They shot this in reverse order. just Just to make it more of like a threat. Because it it is it is kind of... Rising Water... It's definitely less flashy than the other like disaster movies that came out before or after it.
00:59:01
Speaker
You know you have, like, aliens, or you have, like, tornadoes, or volcanoes. It's like, oh no, the water's rising. Okay, because, it wass like, they definitely saw Poseidon's adventure, and was like, hey, let's just make that, but in New York.
00:59:16
Speaker
And when they did, like, there's no, like, urgency, until it's like, oh, the water can kill you, you hang out too long in it. That's why we can't just open a hatch and swim.
00:59:29
Speaker
Because did you need the... Well, I guess, like, yeah, no one could swim. don't know how long it takes to swim. No, the pressure would blow. See, the thing is, I don't know enough about, like, can you just crack open a tunnel hatch and just swim out?
00:59:44
Speaker
Because in this movie, it seemed like you could as long as it's, like, a tornado spout. Because I think they'll get the bends, right? and think it depends on how... ah cause only I don't know if it's that deep.
00:59:54
Speaker
Like, I think it's, like, you get the bends if it's, like, really deep. Like, okay. it's I think it's a certain depth. So yeah. But I mean, if it was if it was like, there definitely would have been a danger in the bends if they were like, you know like a couple ah hundred feet down or something, a couple hundred feet down. They just got rocketed to the surface.
01:00:15
Speaker
But, uh, or maybe, maybe, maybe no, they didn't even think about that. Like, wouldn't it have gotten the bends if they like ejected from this tunnel that's like underwater? And they're just like, shut up.
01:00:31
Speaker
That's your answer. Yeah. I wonder... I guess... Was i mean was there like augh like was there like a hatch that opens up just into like the harbor from the tunnel?
01:00:45
Speaker
I guess so. cause and Like an access hatch or something? Well, I guess you can't because they sealed it so they didn't think about putting access hatches because no one thinks about like escaping the tunnel from the roof of the tunnel.
01:00:58
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe but... i guess Now if you blow your own hole in there, then you can do anything. i guess there's and I guess there's something that there iss something with like like yeah the pressure. You can't open... wouldn't able to open the hatch because the outside pressure is too much or something. Maybe. i don't know.
01:01:14
Speaker
there's lot There's a lot of talk about pressure and they don't really they' really explain... like this is' like They're like, the pressure! The pressure's gonna kill us! The pressure's gonna save us! like they But they don't don explain like what what is happening.
01:01:26
Speaker
Yeah. They just like go with it. yeah it's just like It's just like the same thing with the cold water. it's just It's convenient when they need to like explain plot details.
01:01:39
Speaker
Yeah, like the one like roger like the old like the Roger the older man, like his wife dies of, we're assuming, hypothermia, but they don't really stay. They're hauling warps and he dies.
01:01:50
Speaker
ha hunt for warp that just dies
01:01:55
Speaker
oh Also, with the dog, Cooper, he just... they they They made it seem like they didn't hold the dog's breath or something to put him underwater. They just like let the dog in the water, and then they just did not care.
01:02:10
Speaker
Well, he he somehow he makes it into the like the like the work area. yeah ill did it so Yeah, later on, somehow the dog makes it there, but like it that doesn't explain what happened to him.
01:02:22
Speaker
and or like it but yeah cause ah Because because like they had to swim underwater, and then they lost Cooper underwater, but then the water's rising rising even higher, but somehow like Cooper's able to swim into like the other area.
01:02:36
Speaker
like yeah Cooper, he basically has to swim across like two rooms to get into like the other room. One room doesn't have, like, a proper doorway. doesn't, Because no you know Cooper got into the cavern, which, like, you have to go through the church, and then you have to go through the wall.
01:02:50
Speaker
Yeah. Cooper knew how to all that? yeah yeah You just go under, what go into, like, the the bottom of, like, the the sidewalk, basically, into a hatch, and go underwater into, like, the workroom, and then up, yeah, and then up into, like, the wall, into, like, the cavern area. Yeah.
01:03:10
Speaker
Somehow the dog so yeah so was able to make it. Also, in a weird way, now we think about these insanity points, um what if at the end, George like floats up? like Oh, God. you lived.
01:03:23
Speaker
Oh, he lived? He's like, I used to snorkel. Because, like, He was waiting to, like, in that the end of the tunnel, but then they go back in that tunnel when it's flooded.
01:03:36
Speaker
So, like, and I don't know. That is weird. Like, they don't find him. They don't mention... Because they're in the exact same area they were in So, George is there. so like Either he's drowned in the bottom of the like on the bottom of the tunnel, or <unk> he's, like, floating around somewhere.
01:03:56
Speaker
But they don't mention or do anything. but And then, like, and he's not ejected when they blow the tunnel. So, yeah, that's a weird plot point. I mean, it's dark, because, like, technically, the tunnel will be full of other bodies of other people because of, like...
01:04:13
Speaker
Yeah, there probably should have been, like, um when they like blew that blew that tunnel. Like, just, like, so... Because there's not even any debris in the harbor. it's just, like, Amy Redman and Stallone are just, like, floating there. There should have been, like, so much debris, like, bodies by floating around. Like, it should have been, like, a crazy, like, debris field.
01:04:32
Speaker
oh yeah. And, like, the fact that the only thing floating on top of the water was, like, Stallone and Madeline. Yeah. What are the odds? Yeah. yeah
01:04:46
Speaker
Yeah, they'll be too dark. we just like It's like them, and then like the boat shows up, and then all of sudden it's like, body, body, body, body. Just floating, floating. Oh, God.
01:04:58
Speaker
Another dog. Like, whoa, no.
01:05:04
Speaker
yeah like like the The dog part definitely was like a re-shoot insert. because or or like, let's not make it too dark. Because... There is no like logical reason why the dog made it that far.
01:05:19
Speaker
But then the wife like passed away. um And then I think like it would have just been like bad like vibes all around. Because the is pretty like depressing at times. So within then you include like the drowned dog. You're like, oh god, no.
01:05:35
Speaker
like we We can kind of do horrific things to all these other people, but the dog dog is taking it too far. Well, feel like there was a trope of a Bushy's 90 movies, like, Destiny movies, like Independence Day, obviously, also, like, the dog is fun like escapes, like, horrific craziness.
01:05:50
Speaker
He... It's also a dog in a tunnel. Mm-hmm.
01:05:56
Speaker
In that scene, too. And then, yeah, like, the dog out-jumped a fire, but like, wall and in Independence Day. This one, the dog was able to, like, hold its breath and, like, became a scuba diver.
01:06:08
Speaker
Yeah!
01:06:11
Speaker
don't think, I don't know if dogs can swim underwater. i think they can still doggy paddle, but, like, they can't dive underwater. They're not known for that. I think they, I don't know, I feel like they can, but it's very brief. And it's not all breeds can do that.
01:06:26
Speaker
Because, like, some dogs are just naturally, like, not good at, like... Because I don't, yeah, don't, do they, I mean, do they have the dogs have the concept like, holding their breath? Hmm.
01:06:40
Speaker
I don't know, like, um um My dog liked playing in water, but like only when it's above their head. is like Yeah, they never go underwater. It's like, if she had dunk her head under something, like it was quick and brief, but she wasn't trying to breathe. like she i I don't know. i no what It sounds like a messed up experiment that definitely there's like an answer, and I'm just afraid of asking it to like someone, or like looking at it. it's like Can dogs dive underwater? like can they Do they know how to do that?
01:07:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:10
Speaker
Dante's Peak also has a dog that like you think died and it comes back. so know definitely It was definitely like a 90s thing. We'll have a dog. We cannot kill a dog. The dog has to survive unbelievable odds to come back.
01:07:26
Speaker
I think the same person, like, Leslie Boehm, who, like, was the, uh, Boehm, who wrote this movie, also wrote Dante's Peak, because that's, I guess, it's like, a trope of them. It's like, dog, there's a dog and they survive craziness.
01:07:46
Speaker
I, I do love that, like, this movie also ends on, like, like a ah Corny Stallone joke, where it's, like, he's getting loaded in the ambulance, he's like, we gotta take the bridge. Next movie.
01:07:58
Speaker
Bridge out or something. The bridge is out, yeah.
01:08:03
Speaker
But the bridges would be like so goddamn congested from the tunnels going down on that area.
01:08:12
Speaker
A bridge wouldn't really... like I guess if... I'm trying to think. A whole movie a bridge is like slowly collapsing or something? Maybe? ah They did that in Final Destination. but that was That was just like the opening, though. like ah yeah yeah like A whole movie about that?
01:08:28
Speaker
don't know. Not as exciting. because you can't like I think the gimmick it has to be encapsulated. So you just can't... I don't know. get like a rescue vehicle like hovering over or around, you have to make it like way more difficult to see outside.
01:08:45
Speaker
But if you're already outside, it's you know it's different. Yeah, the claustrophobia of like the tunnel is what helps it be be like more of like a crazy disaster. Yeah, it's just a hellish place already to be in.
01:08:58
Speaker
Like a tunnel that you can't escape from. That's a nightmare. You're already just in a giant coffin. Which is ironic, because the model of the tunnel is coffin. So I'm just like, what?
01:09:11
Speaker
it is and then I feel like they don't do... There's not like really like a... I feel like there should have been a scene where some like Sloan or someone's like in like a really tight space.
01:09:23
Speaker
Really, like, the needs of the the cluster. It's a squeeze. It's really tight like tight corridor to get through or something. Oh, no, no. but There's a one scene where Viggo Morrison is, like, he says there's wormhole pockets where he's crawling through.
01:09:36
Speaker
Yeah. but He's fine. easy He's completely, like, built for that.
01:09:44
Speaker
Which is funny, because like he just kind of snakes through all that like tough pockets, and he's like, this is nothing.
01:09:53
Speaker
This man has... does he Has he done urban exploring? like goes into like yeah all this. I get caves, I get like natural sites, but not a collapsed tunnel.
01:10:05
Speaker
and don't know, maybe I'm just not outdoorsy enough to understand that life.
01:10:14
Speaker
But yeah, like a super like a super tight like cave like tunnel where it's like you're like stuck in the and like underground in a tunnel is like nightmare fuel. Oh yeah. ah like i have I reasonable claustrophobia.
01:10:29
Speaker
It's like, I'm not gonna be, if I can't like see the window or anything, but some people like really just can't be in small and closed spaces. It really makes them like nervous and scared. But like,
01:10:42
Speaker
The tunnel sounds like a reasonable thing to be scared of. Like, the even the, like, pockets that they crawl through. Oh my god.
01:10:52
Speaker
But, yeah, then I think that's the point, is that um a lot of these people are ordinary people, except for the the crazy, violent outbursts that they have to do, like Kadeem's, like, ego check.
01:11:06
Speaker
Mm-hmm. when it comes to like who's in charge. And it's just like, you're in this like death tunnel. What are you talking about?
01:11:14
Speaker
But he gets like a sad... but but Yeah, but then he gets a sad, like, my father doesn't believe a die hero. Like, oh, oh, no. which she Which I think also, like, like yeah, like, Roger is also, like, the older guy is also, like, the one ah comforting him, too. Like, he, like, bonds with Mickey, the other prisoner.
01:11:31
Speaker
And then he's the one who, like, kind like or no is was it Steve? Is it Steve or is it Roger? It's, like, the one that, like, covered in Kadeem. Like, it's, like, find my find my father. He's, like, all right, I'll find him. Yeah, I'll him. Roger. Okay, yeah.
01:11:43
Speaker
So, yeah, it's, like, yeah he's, like. He's there are all these terrible moments. he's like even mean He's just like bonding with all these youths or whatever.
01:11:56
Speaker
But it seems like a lot of them are like non-violent criminals because they're scammers and just like, I guess, um
01:12:05
Speaker
I don't non-violent offenses? It's all like like theft or ah fraud or something? is out Yeah, it seemed like But
01:12:15
Speaker
but Yeah, the the dynamic I thought would be way more, because I kind of remember that as a kid going, oh, it was going to be like a power struggle? Like, what's going to happen? And then it's just like, nope, Salone takes charge because everyone who steps to him is killed. Yep, yep.
Interpersonal Conflict and Fears
01:12:32
Speaker
Everyone questioned him is dead.
01:12:36
Speaker
Yeah, which is like kind of like the... Maybe it makes it less interesting, because there's there's like no conflict. It's like OG... It's like oh ge it's like starters Star Trek The New Generation, where like Gene Roderberry was like, there can't be any interpersonal conflicts.
01:12:50
Speaker
you They don't infight. It's always like, yeah whatever they need to tackle about morality... Because in most in most other most of the other like disaster movies, there would be like a lot more bickering. I guess see the characters are more spread out in other movies, too. That's true. you know There'd be more like, oh, i from this background, you're from this background. i Normally I would hate you, but we're in this situation together, so now we'll bond over this crazy situation.
01:13:18
Speaker
Or there'd be like a supervisor calling Salone, telling him like he's fired if he does this or something. you know Because he's rogue, he doesn't have to answer to anybody, really.
01:13:31
Speaker
Yeah, there's like it's like there's weird hints of that in this movie, where it's it's like the guy replaced the acting chief is dead. The engineer woman shows up and is like, clear the tunnel, and that's it.
01:13:48
Speaker
There's no external threat to them. You think maybe Steve is going to be kind of like a pain, but then he sort of just gets in line? Yeah, I mean, he's still, like, even after, like, the rest of George, he's still a bit of an asshole, but then eventually, like, yeah, he even he's just like, alright, we're good, like, like we gotta help each other get out.
01:14:12
Speaker
But yeah, any final thoughts about Daylight, Chris? I'm still afraid of tunnels because of this movie. This was my precursor like, the Final Destination 2 logs. This is your Jaws.
01:14:24
Speaker
Like, Jaws is the beaches, this is the tunnels. Yeah, just because I lived in New York during this time, and it was felt so real. And, um like, even to this day, like...
01:14:36
Speaker
tunnels have not, like, improved in the way. Like, no one talks about, like, anti-flooding measures and, and like, ah you know, transporting illegal chemicals. Like, that still happens today, you know? Like, yeah do you do you remember that story in PA, like, three years ago, where, like, someone ran into a truck and then, like, it broke that bridge section?
01:15:01
Speaker
Oh, jeez, yeah. So, like, no, that, like, Like, I don't know, bridges and tunnels are always, like, a hazard? but Just be careful, man. Like, that's the best, like... The movie doesn't give you, like, a warning or, like, a reassurance where, like, it gets better. Like, this is just a one-off. It's like, no.
01:15:23
Speaker
This movie has a lot of things that could go wrong. Like, a jewel heist could happen in Manhattan, and then you just can't go to Jersey for the week. There could be a bunch of random... coincidences to happen and you know you could be caught in nuclear like a toxic waste explosion because you might have to take you might have to take your dog to a special therapist in another state you might be on a family vacation with your you're trying to get back with your family um you could be leaving the city because you couldn't hack it your your dreams are shattered like um what else it's like you could be on a correctional facility bus mm-hmm
01:16:04
Speaker
You be driving a limo.
01:16:07
Speaker
This day's would be Uber. Yeah.
01:16:12
Speaker
it is It is weird. to like I feel like Stone would have been a cab driver, not like a limo driver. that's It is a weird like touch to it. I feel like would have just been more of a I'm a blue-coward taxi driver. I mean, he went for all the car service of the time. He chose luxury...
01:16:31
Speaker
route because he's picking up doctors to go to the airport you know yeah it wasn't like he was working um downtown Manhattan or in another like borough where it's like you know like taxi driver style he he chose like midtown Manhattan like everyone that and he stayed at he's picking up people from the like Pennsylvania hotel across from Madison Square Garden like it's a good like spot area he was at He's not dressed like a limo driver, though.
Critique of Realism and Attire
01:17:00
Speaker
He's like just in like his like normal... like he's like in like I guess he has like a tie-on or something, but like it's not... You'd think he'd be like in know like a suit or something, like if he's high-end limo driver. Yeah, you figure he's being picking you picking up people, and then...
01:17:16
Speaker
for you um He's just in his like flannel shirt and tacky pants. I would have wrote like a ah review and been like, my limo driver looked like he just walked off the street. It looks like he's going on a hiking expedition or mountain climbing.
01:17:36
Speaker
think Daylight, it's a solid disaster movie. Compared to the other 90s disaster movies, I feel like this is the lower end compared Twister or Volcano any of the other ones.
01:17:48
Speaker
But it's it's still pretty fun to watch. it's yeah I enjoy it. I think it holds up to some degree. yeah if youre if ah If you're looking for like a solid disaster movie, like this this will deliver. And I just want to say, like it's not a schlock disaster movie. No.
01:18:03
Speaker
Where it's unreasonable. like a monster's in the tunnel. It's not like they're sharks or anything. it's's a very like It's just the tunnel collapsing.
01:18:16
Speaker
And that's it. there's There's no... um There's no gimmick to the real real situation. The only gimmick is just like all the people that you discover in the tunnel and how they got there. But once they're once you once you establish that first act, it's very like reasonable.
01:18:40
Speaker
Yeah, there and like some like a nice escalation of... you know the like It's like, oh no, the water's rising. and We have to like we have the you know figure out a way out of here and the explosions all that stuff. mean, shooting themselves out like a cork is a little ridiculous. And like the ah the way the way they caused the the ah explosion is obviously insane. But everything else is like pretty reasonable.
01:19:02
Speaker
Oh, yeah. So, yeah. Check it out. um chair i mean sure that If you want to check that 4K that's out now, um see in the highest def possible.
Where to Watch and Next Episode Preview
01:19:12
Speaker
Or I think you can rent it from ah you various places. Yeah.
01:19:17
Speaker
I don't think it's like actually streaming streaming somewhere. like It's not like not like on Max or Prime or anything, but you can like rent it from Google and stuff like that. and Come back next week, we're going to be talking about Staying in the World of Disasters. We're going be talking Final Destination because it's celebrating its 25th anniversary.
01:19:38
Speaker
and ah think i think it's a little later this year, but I say this year we're getting and ah a new Final Destination movie. So we're gonna jump back to the original one and talk about all the Rube Goldberg-style deaths that happened.
01:19:55
Speaker
Oh, my favorite, like, crazy, realistic nightmare of other things can go wrong.
01:20:02
Speaker
Yeah, you could you could... Whatever, like, step... 20 steps later, you could like be killed by something like random that you didn't even see happen. Yeah, like, I'm just trying to make breakfast, but then, like, the waffle machine, like...
01:20:16
Speaker
waffle shoots out yeah yeah The waffle shoots waffle flies out and short-circuits a fan, and then the fan like flies off a thing. I'm just wondering, that's how they wrote those things. It's just sort of like, what's a realistic situation? and Let's make it like silly to get to the end point.
01:20:30
Speaker
i feel was talk about next i feel like I feel like the first one was like slightly more realistic, especially the second one. especially the second one is they like Now it's just like it's crazy like twenty steps to get to like ah totally unexpected death The first one was like, you got hit by a truck. That was like one of the deaths.
01:20:51
Speaker
But yeah, come back. We'll dive into all that next week. Head over site. We all of our usual stuff. We got news reviews, trailers, um ah special features, all that stuff over on everythingaction.com. Check all that out.
01:21:03
Speaker
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