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Chronic Contemplations - The Kardashev Scale
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This morning Michael and Josh will be continuing their alien discussion by discussing more about the Kardashev Scale. So grind those beans, roll that doobie and tune in in the AM!
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Casual Banter and Humor
00:00:16
Speaker
Ooh, I remember to upload the intro this morning. Good morning, Michael. How are we feeling, man? I slept great last night.
00:00:27
Speaker
Oh, man, I slept like a rock. Like a fucking stoned rock. it's restricted the holy ah I saw almost said Hollywood Inn. God damn it. I just screwed it up. I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express last night.
00:00:41
Speaker
oh I can be a host today. I stayed at Holiday Edible last night is where I stayed. ah
00:00:51
Speaker
My, my. Well, it's another it's another morning. What was that? Oh, my battery my battery dies as soon as we get started. That is par for the course.
00:01:04
Speaker
That is par for the course.
Tech Talk: Investing in Equipment
00:01:06
Speaker
The usable man is my co-host. Yes. One of these days, I'm going invest in a different webcam instead of using my Like canon.
Sci-Fi Concepts and the Kardashev Scale
00:01:19
Speaker
Our many loyal viewers know last week we were talking about some sci-fi stuff. We started with panspermia, which we're going to revisit one day. We only really touched on that. but we and yeah We touched on a couple things.
00:01:33
Speaker
We ended up going down the Carter Shelves scale ah rabbit hole. so I didn't catch what you said. I said we touched on a few things and why can't i aim this battery into the hole? um We talked about the Fermi Paradox.
00:01:46
Speaker
think we just generally started talking about UFOs and stuff. It was pretty general. Yeah, it was. It was. But I wanted to see Kardashev scale this week because we all really just kind of scratched the surface on that. i find the Kardashev scale super interesting and you agreed to do it. so You did some research of your own, looked up some source material on the topic.
00:02:09
Speaker
What do you think about the Kardashev scale? First, I want to caveat my research being I watched a YouTube video. So I don't want to say it's not like I went through some scientific journals and wrote down some citations to share with you because I didn't.
00:02:27
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I didn't. Our viewers would get lost on that anyway. I did watch a video and I'll probably share. You know what? You just the title of the cardiff whatever is in the description. You can type it in.
00:02:43
Speaker
It'll be the first video that pops up. Kardashev. Kardashev. Kardashev or whatever i was trying to spell. It was wrong. but Kardashev. Not bad off of the memory only.
00:02:58
Speaker
Kardashev. Kardashev. Kardashev. So, Michael, so michael you want to give us a quick rundown again what that is? So, the Kardashev scale originally was a one through three rating on how successful, how technologically advanced your civilization might be.
00:03:21
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Just as an example, human beings right now aren't even on the scale yet. We're a 0.7. We haven't even made it to type one. We're still dumb primates. i agree. We're a type zero civilization, type 0.7 technically.
00:03:35
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The original one with the knowledge at the time, went up to type three. Since then, four more have been added. It goes up to type seven now. And it gets crazy after type four. I mean, wacky nuts.
00:03:51
Speaker
It does. Like, by the time you get to to to to number seven, I'm like, well, that's just God-tier shit right there. And it is. It is. You're basically Thanos. ah Or the Watcher Uatu.
00:04:02
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ah Yeah. I mean, even I would even put it a class above the Watchers, really. Almost above all. Yeah. Just, you exist only within yourself. Basically, it seems insane.
00:04:19
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Go back from type seven. Yeah. So starting off with one,
Path to Type 1 Civilization
00:04:23
Speaker
one. i So the Kardashev scale is basically um the amount of energy that a civilization can harness and where that energy comes from.
00:04:37
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Like a, a Number one, harnesses all the energy that our planet um
00:04:46
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produces ah from hydroelectric to geothermal. ah ah It's will so hard.
00:04:57
Speaker
Hashtags, words are hard. ah Geothermal um ah energy from waves, like from the ocean, well solar, yeah, tidal energy, like every amount of energy that can be produced on our planet, we can harness to use for ourselves.
00:05:17
Speaker
Harness and store. Harness and store. When you think of energy, like energy in itself, measured by joules, I mean, kinetic energy is sitting in this lens cap is the way energy works. There's there's potential energy is unharnessed.
00:05:38
Speaker
In order to harness it, you have to capture somehow. Usually would have to be heat up. Set it on fire, that's right. Yeah, and you, yeah, yeah, You know, so, and you can do that with any burning our garbage, collecting collecting energy from that way. And of course, all this energy would be zero carbon footprint.
00:05:57
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other words, ah either no pollution would be emitted or the technology we have also existing would counteract any pollution made by the breakdown of this energy and recaptured itself. So it'd be like a zero, zero sum game that come to pollution.
00:06:14
Speaker
That's a miracle in and of itself. Yeah. And which is why we're not there yet. But like, like Michael was saying, we're at 0.7. So we're, we're, we're close, closer.
00:06:27
Speaker
But I, do you think, you think our species will have, or will ever actually see number one? I don't. We're too violent. We're too trying to kill ourselves constantly.
00:06:39
Speaker
Whoops. My bad. I was going to let you talk. Good morning, MK. Welcome, welcome.
00:06:47
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But the, yeah like the, the Karthaschett scale iss not just about the energy too. It's it's a keen view of your technology level because in order to do the harnessing and storing, you've got to have tech.
00:07:01
Speaker
So it goes along with a technological advancement as well. Not just tech, but you had, you had made, had made a mention, the reason why we don't feel like we're going get to even one, because too much war and animosity and fighting over resources and et cetera, et cetera is going on.
00:07:18
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That's another thing that there's requirement to treat civilization one is worldwide peace and amicability and getting along and sharing coming together to solve problems instead of fighting over problems well the reason that happens at type one is because what causes war scarcity you have no scarcity at that point on your planet yeah and at type one well to backtrack just a slight bit
00:07:50
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Best estimates by people much smarter than me say we we can reach type one within the next one to 200 years.
00:08:01
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Could. Could. Assuming we make another 200 years. Yeah. Break down society before I die. And it's it's okay. So I want to throw a little bit of but though a little bit political philosophy in this.
00:08:16
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To me, when I think of ah of a civilization is going to reach even even one, there's got to be a total cognitive shift when it comes to the way we rely and build our relationships with each other around the world.
00:08:34
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And for me, that would almost have to be sort of a um syndicalist society, sort of like the Federation in Star Trek, just on a global scale instead of a ah ah intergalactic scale. Like I wanna bring this down, cause we're talking about scale one right now.
00:08:53
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ah What's up, Shaman, how are you doing my man? AI and quantum computing will speed that process. And that's, you know, MK, that's a really good, that's a really good fucking point.
00:09:05
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ah Like just to backtrack on what Michael said, it's all gonna be dependent on the tech technology we have. we have available and that's that's going to be a part of this, the quantum computing process.
00:09:19
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Oh, and of course, cynicalism. i was gonna i I know I'm making a pitch for for a type of socialism. I know I am, but I don't want people to think of it as as as any sort of like past perceived or practiced or attempted socialism. I want people to wipe that memory of their head.
00:09:43
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But think about a society that we're going to have to come together with the technology that we have to reach global scale goals, to get us to our intergalactic goals, is all I'm saying.
00:09:56
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Which would be socialism. A type one civilization likely will will be able to be multi-planetary at that point.
Beyond Type 1: Dyson Spheres and Advanced Civilizations
00:10:07
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A type one? No, I think type one is just... I thought type two is... Type 1 harnesses one planet, your home planet. 100% of your energy is stored and and kept, accessed, processed.
00:10:26
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But a Type 1 civilization can also now become multi-planetary. i see what you're saying. So Earth would be essentially battery. Jumping off point.
00:10:37
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And we could use that foundational battery jumping off point to colonize other planets so we would still be civilization terraform and then move in terraform and then move in terraforming sounds terrifying not really good thing we've been doing it here for hundreds of years not in the best way so far
00:11:04
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but again war scarcity those things being eliminated theoretical theoretically. renddez vose point the yeah Theoretically. Theoretically. The rendezvous point.
00:11:20
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Without scarcity, there is no war. At that point, now we can do that. I think there's... i Now, I know this is guys is going off a little off-tangent, but when it comes to scarcity, I think there are There are things that we as society have been convinced that is scarce that really isn't, like food being one of them.
00:11:42
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um I think sometimes this the ah scarcity is manufactured by bad distribution practices. Yes, manufactured scaracies.
00:11:54
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That's a reality. However, a type 1 civilization, they're beyond that. Yeah. yeah We're past the the pettiness of national borders and shit like that.
00:12:07
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Divisions break down. We become a species, not a series of races. but See? Shaman agrees. Scaracy, scaracy, scaracy.
00:12:18
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Now I can't say the word. Scaracy manufactured. Words are hard. And, you know, but and i'm just and I just want to use a current example with the whole defunding of stuff. and I don't want to go down to too much, but they're sat in a warehouse.
00:12:32
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billions and billions like billions dollars worth of food that the keys were just lost and just sat there and wasted. It's spoiled. the What the shit? so Manufactured scarcity. here to see It's but okay, but we're not going down that, ah Josh. I'm going to get off that soapbox for a moment because this stuff kind of does overlap with that because if we're going to have a society, we're going to have to talk about like that.
00:13:00
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Not just the technology, not just the goals, but to look at the current problems and get over those so we could reach those goals. Stop presenting problems, begin presenting ah solutions. solutions exactly yeah So that's type one.
00:13:19
Speaker
We touched on that one last week and that we touched on this one last week, type two. A type two civilization harnesses the entire energy output of its home star, potentially through structures like a Dyson sphere.
00:13:30
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But there's this other really neat thing they've been talking about. Since it's Dyson Sphere, what it does it just basically encapsulates the star, which seems monumentally impossible ah look by our standards currently.
00:13:44
Speaker
But Dyson Swarm, have you heard this? So, okay, yeah. that So that touched that video that we watched touched on. It touched on the Dyson Sphere.
00:13:56
Speaker
Before I understand the Dyson Sphere, uh, swarm is basically, uh, self propelled, uh, uh, uh, what's that word? fucking on Instead of one structure around the the sun, it's a series of collectors.
00:14:15
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Just one here, one here, one here, one here, one here, one here, one here, one here. It's like you were talking about, well, if you encapsulate the star, how, what happens to the people, all the planets die. So this is, so when I picture swarm, um,
00:14:28
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Currently, you can program a bunch of drones and do like and light up and stuff and do art in in in in the sky. I think chinese China did it with like one New Year's with a bunch of drones. Pretty cool.
00:14:40
Speaker
Have all those drones in a synchronicity. I would assume that's what a Dyson swarm is. All these drones, quote unquote, ah are, you know, they they collect and they swarm the sun as as like a quote unquote Dyson sphere.
00:14:58
Speaker
That's my... That's mine exactly right. It's exactly right. A series of smaller drones. It lets it lesss more of the light out. But in a Dyson sphere, you can actually supposedly live there, which I find insane.
00:15:14
Speaker
How do you stay cool enough that close to the sun? Well, at that time, but by that point, our technology is going to be so advanced that that's not going be an issue. We'll be able to have... Shielding. Yeah, we'll have... We'll have, like,
00:15:28
Speaker
heat-resisting shielding, some Star Trek shield. Okay, this right here. ah Didn't they find those Dyson spheres by Jupiter? Yeah, so Dyson sphere would be a man-made object or a non-natural object, because what if they found one and they did find one? Of course, we didn't make it. Maybe some alien race did, but... But yeah, there's no Dyson sphere in this...
00:15:56
Speaker
and this
00:16:01
Speaker
Solar system. Solar system. That's the word. Well, okay. I want to, I want, I do. Hey, we're not at that level yet, but there could be. We just don't see them.
00:16:12
Speaker
We can see Jupiter g clearly. No, no, The Dyson spheres. In this solar system. and nope In this, in this, in this, in our realm, in our dimensional sight perspective. Oh, okay.
00:16:26
Speaker
You're getting of you're getting ahead that's why I said, that's why I said, that's why, I said, unless a core.
00:16:35
Speaker
but Why don't you walk in? We've talked about type two. I think it's pretty simple at that point. I mean, now you're definitely, definitely multi-planetary. If you can harness your sun completely, you are interplanetary.
00:16:46
Speaker
There's no no two ways about that. Planetary, not interstellar, interplanetary.
00:16:54
Speaker
My question is, and because i and of course all this is dependent on the technologies that come online as we progress toward to toward a dyson sphere or dyson swarm whatever um
00:17:10
Speaker
for instance recently they've been getting some information back from betelgeuse the a certain star um and it's been acting really unnormal lately i guess it's been been uh oh michael just dropped they've been um It's been doing some weird ah solar, and I don't want to say solar flares, but solar eruptions, eruptions, and it's the star is going through a weird transition.
00:17:44
Speaker
So I'm just like, when we when we talk about furthering on our technology, by the time we get to the point where we can design a Dyson swarm or sphere, would it be too late for our sun to even adapt to it?
00:17:58
Speaker
Or our technology to adapt to the sun at that time? It's little things, you know, like by the time we get there, will our technology match what the sun is capable of? ah We are capable of?
00:18:10
Speaker
I don't know. All is so many fucking different questions that pop in my head. Well, again, that particular technology is so beyond what we can do right now. It's difficult to even fathom it.
00:18:23
Speaker
For me, anyway. Oh, no, this is totally so, I mean, this so much information to fathom. That's why it's just like, I'm just, question, question, question, question.
00:18:34
Speaker
I think the Dyson, I think the whole Dyson sphere thing was all, ah was was named before the dude named the Dyson vacuum. Because this Dyson sphere stuff is decades old.
00:18:47
Speaker
Decades old hypothesis. Okay, I want to cover that. Watching that video, they kept referring this stuff as a theory. and don't like I don't like using that word in its It's a hypothesis.
00:19:04
Speaker
The sun has been sending solar flares toward us for a while now. They say it causes problems. Yes. I'm specifically talking about the star Betelgeuse. And it's doing some weird shit. that's like and I think it's like one of the close. It's like in a galaxy that's close to ours.
00:19:22
Speaker
It's not super far away, no, baby guys. Yeah.
00:19:27
Speaker
You got a star? She told us that last night. There's a star named after her. Oh, man. Sorry. I remember saying... remember some somebody saying something about a star.
00:19:48
Speaker
Wait, hold up. and yes it's closely mk's solar flares comment that is real uh it's happened multiple places at multiple times um we're one solar flare away from being wiped out as a civilization oh we're one asteroid it you know wiped out one many things one many things but solar flares are super super dangerous
00:20:17
Speaker
ah but to do I think they can they can already do it. they
00:20:23
Speaker
I don't know. We're talking about some pretty advanced technology here. i don't i think I think if we lived in a society that already had the capabilities of doing this, there would be some technologies that would already be available to us that maybe not that advanced, but more advanced than we have
00:20:44
Speaker
i think I think by the time we're using Dyson's fear, we're probably overhunger and starvation. One would hope. I don't know. It seems like sometimes our technical advancements or are are ah progressing in spite of you know human starvation and resource wars, et cetera.
00:21:08
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But partly because of those wars why. some of that stuff happens because the resources are accumulated at the top. It's weird. Sex is sex.
00:21:18
Speaker
Space exploration has become more of a profit-driven motive than a knowledge motive, and I don't like that. don't like that. But that is a global economy. haven We cannot understand at a societal level how important it is just to draw barriers.
00:21:41
Speaker
They definitely do. Can't agree more. But not a Dyson sphere. but That's pretty good. When a conspiracy takes billions of people to to make it work without anybody ever knowing about it, I just call it bullshit. The Mulder theory. Bullets are cheaper.
00:21:59
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ah There you go. I like it. ah to but The Mulder hypothesis. I like that. The Mulder hypothesis.
00:22:10
Speaker
You explained that the other I think last week or last. Yeah, think pretty sure. And it and makes perfect sense. But i yeah, dropping those barriers and just becoming one.
00:22:22
Speaker
We must unite. People are people. It doesn't matter what color we are. We all have the same shit inside of us.
00:22:33
Speaker
I say ah give that I give that statement two thumbs way up.
00:22:40
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Who is that? He's a goofy bastard. So that's type two. If you're ready to take the to walk, up why don't you get us on the path to type three.
Fermi Paradox and Multiverse Theories
00:22:55
Speaker
Type three, from what I can remember. Let's see what you remember. Let's do this. Oh, this will be fun.
00:23:08
Speaker
let's see what you remember let's let's do this oh this would be fun
00:23:15
Speaker
Yeah, that's some conspiracy theorists, motherfuckers. What's that? Oh, you asking me? Just got this.
00:23:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's when I talk about Beetlejuice, the star. Yeah.
00:23:31
Speaker
Maybe that's why it's acting all weird. Someone said his name three times. Michael, dude, imagine if if they make a third Beetlejuice. We're all fucked. The whole fucking galaxy is just going to implode on.
00:23:44
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If they make third introduce, I won't be watching it. So type three, from what I understand, is we've harnessed all the energy we possibly can out of the whole entire Milky Way.
00:23:56
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We use that for like intergalacical intercoact intergalactic travel.
00:24:07
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I think that's about it. yeah There's more to it, though. There's a lot more to The entire galaxy, potentially through advanced text like controlling energy from black holes, super interesting there about black holes in that video.
00:24:20
Speaker
That's what it was. but I think on... Was it two or three where they started talking about developing our own black I thought it was... No, it was earlier than four.
00:24:43
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I thought it was... still into as much
00:24:48
Speaker
Either way. Either way. um I want to say at least by by scale three, we're able to... When I say we, I don't mean we as in like humans.
00:24:58
Speaker
that By this time, we probably will evolve into a different species at this point. That's the way I'm looking at it. I wouldn't even call us humans. We were some other new type of humanoid. Maybe human future...
00:25:13
Speaker
future APs. I don't know. But anyway, I distracted my brain with a stupid joke.
00:25:25
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But ah yes, harness black holes and using using the black hole technology to bend space for faster travel. From what I understand, getting like we at that point, were're so we're, and this is the thing.
00:25:42
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This is where the Fermi Paradox comes from. If there are other civilizations out there at the same pace with us, then I can see how free we would build intergalactic communities with other alien races and stuff.
00:26:00
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But I don't know if they exist at any point when when we will. Because the Fermi Paradox says, yes, there's multiple alien races, but we don't exist at the same time.
00:26:12
Speaker
For two reasons. One, the expanse of of of the cosmos and the way time works. Especially the way time works compared to where we're at compared to like where something else is located within the cosmos.
00:26:27
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Because the time. Yeah.
00:26:33
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So, folding space. You're familiar with Dune, right? um So dune they folded space. you have a point here. want to get to a point there.
00:26:47
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Yeah. I think that's that's basic Einstein relativity. He talked about something. ah Maybe not Einstein's theory of relativity. It's like a wormhole thing.
00:26:58
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He talked about the whole pretty sure it was Einstein. I could be wrong. But bending at space, like bringing the points closer to each other to shorten the distance. thick Because ah space is space is is, people call it a fabric, fabric of space. Like you use that paper towel, think of that as a fabric.
00:27:19
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And then boom. yeah um his His thing was the, it was like you have a trampoline, right? You put a ball on trampoline. but It does that.
00:27:31
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And that's kind of a, it's sort of like a representation of gravity, gravitic pull and such. So that's because gravity is produced by space and time coming together.
00:27:43
Speaker
Yeah. Gravity is emergent property of space and time. And mass. Mass has a lot to do with it. yeah Mass influences. Yes. But it's yeah. It's so weird.
00:27:54
Speaker
God fucking physics is weird. Yeah, man. That's right. I'm speaking above my pay grade. This might have been a bad idea. ah No, no. Well, in this is something that this is something the video made a comment of.
00:28:08
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And I think it actually made that made it for like scale five or six. But at this point, I think three would fit. I think if we would have if we now as humans came into contact with scale three technology, it would be like magic to us.
00:28:23
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We'd be like, oh, wow. You know, just like. If Jesus were to come into contact with the fucking cell phone right now, was like, oh man, that was that easy. I could do these fuckers earlier.
00:28:34
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You know what I mean? But i think I think if we were to contact third level shit, we'd be like, whoa.
00:28:46
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Very blown back.
00:28:52
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He's reading. yeah Yeah, I am. Here you go. Cards you have type three. entire galaxy, be able to manipulate stars, rearrange solar systems, potentially utilize black holes as power sources.
00:29:07
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They would likely have mastered interstellar travel and colonization, could even be capable of galactic scale engineering. so I was right. We would have harnessed it during space two, we would have discovered it in phase two, harnessed it in phase three, and used it
00:29:26
Speaker
Rearranging solar plant or rearranging solar systems. That to me sounds insane. Insane. Kind of like, oh, let's move this planet. Let's switch these two planets. Put this one in the the habitable zone.
00:29:41
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and I think what they say, are for they don't necessarily mean the order. I don't know what they mean. I think that's when they're talking about like you can terraform like the whole solar system or whatever like instantly. now i Instantly is crazy.
00:29:56
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But like all at the same time. You don't have to go to one to another to another. You can just set up an entire solar system and then move in.
00:30:09
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Okay.
00:30:13
Speaker
Brittany's laughing at you. I know. I wanted to make a comment on the l AI shit. I've recently, I've, I've, I'm getting tired. a i slop myself. I've been calling just slop. I have a buddy on snap, Sean from buddy in Iowa, Idaho, Iowa.
00:30:30
Speaker
They'll send me AI shit. Like those, uh, sometimes they'll send me those bigfoot videos, but they'll send me other stuff too. And I'm like, dude, AI slop. And he'll send me more. I'm like, dude, stop sending me the AI slop. I don't like it.
00:30:43
Speaker
Cause you're right. It's, it It all looks the same. It's it's void of... I'm going to use a word I don't use a lot. It's void of spirit.
00:30:54
Speaker
human Human essence. It's weird. It creeps me out. It's got no soul. It's got no soul, baby.
00:31:07
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was about type three.
00:31:10
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And now it gets into real science fiction. It's already science fiction as hell, but... Type four. but So before we get into type four, I want to say the original hypothesis was scale one through three.
00:31:25
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Everything now is like what current futurists or contemporary futurists are adding on to this. Completely hypothetical with new information, new scientific fact.
00:31:39
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Yeah, because when this first... At the time, the official Karshavs scale only went to three because at the time, that's all they could conceive of. we didn't and we We were very ignorant when we say we. I mean, in society.
00:31:53
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oh Ignorant of like quantum physics and a lot of different shit. Man. Again, cosmologically, just the information we've garnered in the last 40 years with better and better telescopes seeing farther and farther away.
00:32:08
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Or, if you think of it this way, looking farther and farther back in time. That's what telescopes are. They're time capsules. What is she talking about? It's that fake shit.
00:32:20
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AI. Oh, yeah, AI is the fake shit. AI, okay, i just just real quick. ai AI is a good tool if used properly.
00:32:31
Speaker
I don't want to sit there. I hate sitting there saying bad hammer, bad hammer ah for hammer existing. I don't want to do that. but in the wrong hands ai sucks so anyway number four okay kardashev scale type four is a hypothetical civilization that has mastered energy and matter manipulation on a cosmic scale potentially controlling the power of an entire universe or even multiverse
00:33:02
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They're beyond our current comprehension with abilities including manipulating space-time, creating or destroying galaxies, and even potentially traveling through time and to other universes. So this this hypothesis sounds like Michael was watching MCU, eating popcorn, smoking weed, and be like, yo, check this idea out, guys.
00:33:20
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Yes.
00:33:23
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yeah Go to another universe and visit your other self. Because it was one... it was one It was a statement that you said in there that is beyond our understanding. The moment something somebody claims something that says it's beyond our understanding, it's like, how can you even claim it?
00:33:39
Speaker
It's so weird. It's like a paradox when it trips my brain Yeah. If you can't understand it, how are you hypothesizing about it? It's like, explain to me ah color never discovered before.
00:33:53
Speaker
Huh? What? I can't.
00:33:59
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Yes. I don't know the universe. That's what the universe is. Multiverse. Yeah. That's even if the multiverse actually exists. I don't think it does.
00:34:11
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I don't think it does. I think... Why not? so That's my thought on it. Why not?
00:34:19
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It's no crazier than God.
00:34:23
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I'm not saying that.
00:34:26
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Really, I mean... The sky is the limit of scientific hypothesis. I think the multiverse hypothesis has more probability than a god.
00:34:39
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I will give it that. I will give it that. wait Wait till we get to type 7.
00:34:46
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And even then, i still, even though I would i would say god-like, I would ah still wouldn't say god. But there's a reason why, but we'll get Brittany's comment, let's take some shrooms for LSD. I'm going to give that two thumbs way on up.
00:35:03
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Two thumbs way on up. I'm opposed that. i would i Two thumbs up and my my foot thumbs too, so it's four in total. but About the multiverse not being real, I think it's a great i think it's ah i think it's an awesome, fun hypothesis. like Some of this shit I think it's fun, especially to talk about we're stoned.
00:35:29
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It's fun. I think what she's with you on is that the multiverse is more likely than God. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I think that's what you meant. Okay. Oh, I think there's probably some Christians out there would probably agree with me.
00:35:43
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hello Believe what you believe. It is what it is. my My belief and your belief doesn't predicate your belief. Oh, yeah. i don't i don't want to I don't want to go down that rabbit hole.
00:35:53
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But I think But these kind these type of conversations are going to bring those type of topics up. That's what I do. I'm here to translate, Brittany.
00:36:09
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Well, I'm bouncing all over the place. I look over I'm like, oh, we moved on. What is she talking about? I said that came out so rude. I didn't mean that to come out rude. i don't think it did.
00:36:22
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Okay, good. I don't think it did, but that's just me. oh Okay, so four.
Merging Technology with Biology
00:36:32
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Creating and manipulating realities.
00:36:36
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and I'm sorry. Creating or destroying whole universes. Okay, I was like, we haven't got to the reality part yet. I thought that was like five or six. Yeah, that's five. messed up.
00:36:48
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That's why I meant universes. God damn. you Imagine... civilization being able to just go into a universe and god damn it.
00:36:58
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I sure can because I'm a human and humans are great at destroying. Well, we're great at creating too.
00:37:09
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mean, ah like to give us credit. I mean, we're, we're both. We're just unintended consequences, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That too.
00:37:19
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Both good and bad. Every time. Yeah. That's why I like to say like we're a cancer, but at the same time that we're going to be our own cure because we're going to fucking destroy ourselves.
00:37:31
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like a
00:37:34
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but oh but But before we reach that point, will some of us evolve into something else to keep humanity? Would do we even still be considered humanity? she Would what an evolved species look at humans in what we call humanity as something moral and good and virtuous?
00:37:53
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would their would Would their ethical code be superior to ours in order to make this kind of stuff happen? it would It would almost have to be.
00:38:06
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What I think in order for this to happen, sincerely, we're going to have to marry technology with the
00:38:19
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biological. we will We will have to become the board. And what did I bring up the last week? Was it last week on Wednesday? I brought up the whole artificial cell that that they fucking designed that responds to chemical sterilization.
00:38:37
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that's gonna that's like that That's the kind of technology that they're going to marry and come out with ah with with with hybrid biology technology. I don't know what the I'm talking about like $6 million dollars man type shit.
00:38:50
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Like an eye out of the way. Cybernetics. Cybernetics. That's the one. Cybernetics, yeah. That's what said. We'll have to become the Borg. In my opinion. My opinion. i think I think in some ways, without going down the Borg, I don't like the Hyde mentality.
00:39:06
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But I understand that's part of like scale five or six. It's sort of a
00:39:16
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Go ahead. be biocomp computer um That we do eventually become one collective consciousness.
00:39:25
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That scares the shit out of me. It does. It should. Which collective? but Which collective becomes the dominant collective?
00:39:36
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Don't want to talk about that. Technically, we are biocomputers. actually and that are computers And that's why, well our brains are definitely, that's why I wanted to bring up the idea of better moral foundational system.
00:39:55
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Because those, because that's going to, well, we start, and this, these are conversations that are is going on right now with AI and robotics coming out. And you had talked about, we had talked about cybernetics.
00:40:06
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Like cybernetics is something that it's, that is being worked on like when people get prosthetics that gets control that's that's linked up to their brains now through their nervous system is something that's that's that's like the real that's infancy stages of cybernetics we just call what it is yeah it is exactly that it links to your brain nerve signals make the fake parts move it is a living biological entity with a mechanical component.
00:40:41
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That is cybernetics.
00:40:44
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No? No. i First time I've had liquid death killer coal and it's got like a bubblegum taste to it. I was shocked by it. Sorry. where Where'd that come from?
00:40:56
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Squirrel. Squirrel.
00:41:01
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i squi It was a squirrel moment for me.
00:41:08
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I think you just got mind controlled. I did. i did. Say this. Do a commercial now. Liquid death. I'm trying to get them to sponsor us. That's all I'm doing.
00:41:20
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I figured if I say it enough times, it'll pop up in their algorithms and we'll be getting fat checks. Not really going to happen. Maybe in stage two of Cyber Network.
00:41:33
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Yeah.
00:41:37
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type two nonsensical network. a goal That is a goal in about a half hour.
00:41:47
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Okay. What more what else four? You have a brought up. Besides the...
00:41:58
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Manipulating space-time. creating and destroying galaxies, ah traveling through time and other universes, potentially. Okay. Potentially.
00:42:10
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I don't think time travel will ever be a thing that that will that will happen.
00:42:21
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It was a fucking planet. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha. I thought Pluto was Mickey Mouse's pet dog. I'm sticking with that one.
00:42:34
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Mickey's a mouse. Donald's a duck. What the fuck is Pluto? Or no, Pluto's a dog. What the fuck is Goofy? Goofy's a dog.
00:42:45
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ah humanoid dog.
00:42:49
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We are, but they need ad ship. I'm sort of excited about it.
00:42:58
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It's being worked on. Apparently I'm. Yes. Yes, you're goofy. Yes. Yes.
00:43:15
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And the reason why, okay if time travel is real, then there's some credit behind the Mandela. I'm just saying. That would be the only explanation that if if the Mandela Effect was a real thing, which I think we're just dumb humans and we just miss my miss mit misremember things, even in mass masculine oh a mass hallucination.
00:43:41
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Human memory is elastic. it Knowledge is perishable. Your memories reorganize themselves the way they do. Your brain's constantly reshuffling when you sleep at night.
00:43:52
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yeah There's so much truth to that. Is it the definitive proof? No. But there's a lot of truth to what you just said. But ah another explanation, besides time travel, is spontaneous, like, just this form pops to another universe.
00:44:14
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Like transportation. gifting reality
00:44:20
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Like stepping in transporter and being zapped to different... it's not stepping in a transporter, it's just i can't I don't have the words in my vernacular to express what I'm trying
Reality Shifts and Time Travel Paradoxes
00:44:32
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to say. But you go to sleep and you're here in this reality.
00:44:36
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You wake up and now you're here in this reality. Okay, now when you say you wake up, ah is it just your mind cognitively moving or your whole physical body?
00:44:48
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Am I switching places with another me? Did i replace another me? I don't know. I can't explain it. But according to okay according to some hypotheses, usually lunatics and fringe folk, when CERN fired up and they started like doing those experiments and shit and opened those mini black holes, mini tiny black holes that blink out in less than one nanosecond, that creates rips in reality.
00:45:17
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Holes in our fabric in space-time that allow people to be shifted in and shifted out.
00:45:26
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So what you're saying is CERN has already opened us up to multiverse and we've already fucked up. Correct. I'm saying there's a hypothesis. I'm saying I think that. I'm saying it's a hypothesis. um You said there's only one explanation as time travel. I posit that could be an explanation as well.
00:45:43
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Your consciousness has shifted from your original base reality and is now in this base reality and that's why your memories differ from the rest of society's memories.
00:45:54
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But when you say base reality, you talk about like multiverse or only one or reality? Sure. Okay. Okay. Because base reality, it's like the reality has changed like a new paradigm. Well, um we get when we get into type five, maybe, or type six, they talk about manipulating timelines in a multiversal situation.
00:46:17
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but if they're But wouldn't they already be able to do that in four if time travel was a thing? Traveling through time to other universes. But I think it's five where they talk about manipulating those timelines.
00:46:30
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That video was, we should just watch the video and comment as it doesn't played. Oh no, this is more fun. This is more fun. But I feel so dumb. I know I'm not, and I am the professional idiot and all, but I'm not as dumb as I play on TV.
00:46:47
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I do have something up there. i just say a but but i think I think it's an honest response to feel dumb about talking about ideas that's outside of our our educational pervy. At least we're not sitting here talking about it as if we do know what we're talking about.
00:47:02
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We're discussing it, letting people know we don't understand it, but we find it fascinating enough to talk about, which is good. which um but That's a healthy way to have a conversation.
00:47:13
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shaman says man in the high castle and that's exactly what i'm talking about shifting realities sliding in from one timeline to another they can like uh the type four type five civil type four type five civilization they can do it at will we do it accidentally somehow um one potential explanation is how much of our brain we think is unused and untapped Maybe it's being used. we just don't understand it yet.
00:47:40
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We don't know how it's used. And that's where these weird, like, interdimensional shits shifts, ah but shifts
00:47:51
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First of all, that was a... I love that story. It was a good show. man Man in the High Castle, I wish would kept going. Philip K. Dick is an amazing human being. Um, so this, like, is it, is it that obvious that I read books like that as a kid?
00:48:07
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Choose your own adventure. I did. I absolutely did. I chose, I would read the fuck out of those things too. Like I would read it really cool do it one way. I go back and do it another way.
00:48:18
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Absolutely. I'm curious why you asked that question. Yeah.
00:48:29
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reminds me of ah reminds me think of ant man 2 i can't explain the time travel i never you know i i think i watched the first one a little bit but i don't really remember too much about it here's what i think about time travel people being people going to people doing people shit if we had access to time travel we are gone one nanosecond later from the face of ever being existing we will create paradoxes and destroy space-time instantly yeah i uh okay so even though i don't think humans will actually when i say humans i i know that leaves out the i the possibility as we evolve out of being human maybe a different species might be able to do it i don't think actually in reality at all ever time travel through yet
00:49:22
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I think it's fun. I think it's one of those. i think it's like religion. It's fun to think it's real, but it's it's not. e I know I am.
00:49:33
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I'm a dick when it comes to religion. And I know these people get over it. um But i do. I don't. But OK. If it were, though, if it were.
00:49:48
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Unless we had a better moral system, if we were to do it now the way we are, yeah, we would fucking... We would probably collapse the whole entire cosmos um on on itself. As fucked as we are.
00:50:01
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Like, sure. Ooh, we did this great thing. We created time travel. And the moment we use it, fuck it all up.
00:50:09
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Well, ah better moral system. You mean ah better and good intentions? No. Uh-uh. No, because even good intentions... but can lead you down to hell.
00:50:20
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No, no, no. Pass to hell is less paid with good attention. Exactly. That's why i was asking that question.
00:50:28
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Definitely eating the steak in the Matrix. I am not. solipism i know Solipsism, Solipsism. Oh, man. First of all, Beauregard himself hated the fact that they used his book for that movie.
00:50:44
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So I'm going to say that first of all.
00:50:50
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And no, I would not eat the steak. I would not eat the steak. I would rather live in... I would rather suffer in reality than fucking be bliss in the audience. That's for... don't know, man.
00:51:02
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That gruel shit that they were eating. Ugh. I don't think I can do that.
00:51:11
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Well, if you think about it... Well, I guess... guess when you quote unquote come out of the matrix, you would still have the memories of the taste that you, that were artificially implanted in your brain.
00:51:23
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Mal said it best. He goes, how did the, but how the computers know what tasty wheat tasted like?
00:51:31
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Maybe they don't know, but they don't know what anything tastes like. That's why everything tastes like chicken. i think when people say tastes like chicken, they're conflating taste and texture.
00:51:49
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That's why we do drugs. Suffering, one of the Four Noble Truths. Check it out. Great read. It's a one-sit read. The Dalai Lama wrote it. Outstanding little treatise.
00:52:01
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The Four Noble Truths. Check it out. Yes, Brittany. Yes. Yeah. um i'm not i'm I'm familiar with who the Dalai Lama is. haven't really read it. I'm not really big into Eastern philosophy.
00:52:17
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A lot of it encompasses spiritualism that I just don't buy into. Although, although i do agree that suffering is part of the human experience that we need in order to be better rounded people.
00:52:33
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Thank you,
00:52:37
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MK. Thank you. Thank you you. Check it out, dude. It's an it's an easy read. In fact, i I have a copy still. i paid I've paid it for it a few times and i ended up buying and rereading it myself. I'll give you one next time I see you. All right. Cool. Give it a read.
00:52:50
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It won't kill you. I'm not saying it's accurate. I'm just saying an interesting read. And thank you, MK. We love that you love it. i This morning's show was a great idea, Michael.
00:53:05
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Yeah. it Maybe chicken tastes like other things and not everything else tastes like chicken. Maybe it's black with white stripes.
00:53:15
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It actually tastes like zebra.
00:53:18
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So, number five. Where are we at on five? Me too, Sean. All right, five. Let reopen here.
00:53:30
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That's a good point. And that's why I think we need suffering in order to understand what not suffering is. I don't know. It's just... this so I've always said pain is an excellent teacher.
00:53:45
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well Excuse me. This is why the the concept of heaven bores me.
00:53:53
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Think about it. Heaven would be boring as fuck. I'm just saying. It sounds boring. sounds boring. You go to heaven for the weather. You go to hell for the company.
00:54:05
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No, I'll go hell for the drugs.
00:54:10
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That's the only place I'm going score any in the afterlife. I see that now. segway so a type 5 civilization ah you suck at segways buddy is a hypothetical civilization that has achieved mastery over the multiverse mastery capable of manipulating multiple universes with different physical laws timelines and possibilities they can navigate manipulate and even create realities existing beyond the constraints of a single universe
00:54:45
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See, now I want to go back to MK and his solipsism remark. This would be if if there was an entity out there or entities out there, we would definitely not know about it because they would be controlling our reality.
00:55:00
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They'd be able to manipulate us. no We would never know.
00:55:08
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But again, that's a dangerous thing. The butterfly effect, yeah? You get manipulated by one single commercial.
00:55:19
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I'm not suggesting you would. I'm just using this as hypothetical. You buy that product and begin using that product. That product has a different smell than attracted your mate, which got you married, which got you kids, which ended up discovering what led us into,
00:55:42
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say God damn it, I don't even know how to fucking explain to you. But you know what I'm saying? They dig completely unravel their own fucking universe in reality.
00:55:53
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You're talking about um ah a hypothetical dialect or a hypothetical dialectic. Explain it to Still don't know what that means. A dialectical, and in Hale-Galian terms, a dialectical is how one would look at history you know in ah in ah in a determination in a determining kind of way. Like, this happened, so this happened, and this happened. You can sit there look back at history and see how things happened.
00:56:20
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What you're describing Deterministically. Yeah, deterministically. But it's already happened. We can look back and see how ah the ah the dominoes fell, basically. But if it doesn't happen in that way...
00:56:31
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You've now created an alternate timeline in a completely different reality, right? Yeah. yeah instead of Instead of that perfume attracting your mate, it it um did it it did the opposite. It repulsed a potential mate, and then you lost your confidence and went down whole drug addict fucking arc.
00:56:51
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no i know I see what you mean. Like, Like different split offs. And we would be able to see those forks in the road and manipulate. Just that one little thing happening because that manipulation, that simple manipulation makes somebody else not be born in the future.
00:57:08
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Now their entire timeline unravels because of that manipulation. They now cease to exist because of something they did. But they wouldn't know. That's the effect preceded the cause.
00:57:24
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which is also an impossibility. like ah So if that happens, then you die in the future because of that happened. But if you die in the future, you're not there in the future to make that manipulation.
00:57:36
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Would you even know about the manipulation? Because this is the thing. It's not whether you know it or not. That's that's beyond the point. So I don't understand. but But you're talking from the perspective of the person being manipulated.
00:57:47
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The person being manipulated wouldn't know what was going it be just like normal linear time sure but because of the manipulation you don't have that ancestor person for the person in the future to be there and born okay so they're not there anymore to go back and make that manipulation that changed everything it's the cause preceding the effect do you see what i'm saying or the i'm sorry the effect preceding the cause
00:58:20
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You're saying, okay, let affects out you today you're saying okay you're saying let's say if an ancestor of Hitler went back to prevent their own ancestor from existing, they went back and killed Hitler's parents, so Hitler would never be born, because they're an ancestor of Hitler, then they would also cease to exist the moment they... Okay, I see what you mean. Okay.
00:58:44
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okay Because they exist, they went back to do it. So it's impossible for the cause. No, it's impossible for the effect to precede the cause.
00:58:55
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The effect happens in 1942, but the cause happens in 2055. twenty fifty five That's impossible, right? We're getting into some heady shit, man. Let's get another one roasting.
00:59:08
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Well, see, here's the thing. Okay, let's say let's say the technology existed to go back and do that. Let's use that exact exact same example. Let's say going back and killing Hitler's parents somehow cause a ripple effect where time travel never got discovered then that person would not have been able to come back but but did fucking time this is why time travel is such a fucking goddamn paradox paradoxes dude paradoxes man it's a real thought fuck no yeah i love thought experiments that one but time time paradoxes is
00:59:44
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crazy because you we don't know and this is why this is why I don't I don't think I don't think time travel will ever be a thing I think it's too paradoxical to actually manipulate hopefully it's not real well not not real hopefully it's not something we ever get hold of because again it's we'll doom it we'll we'll screw it up ah it's the moment the moment time travel is is discovered is the moment One nanosecond later, everything's gone.
01:00:13
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ah Yeah, exactly. yeah it just It collapses. You press that button one time and it goes black. but Then would the soul of Hitler manifest in another baby?
01:00:25
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i wouldn't say I wouldn't say soul. He's jerking your chain. Give him the finger. Oh, I know. i know But no, that's actually not that's actually not a bad idea because here's the thing.
01:00:37
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If Hitler didn't do it, somebody else would have. Maybe not at that exact same time or that exact same country. But humans are relatively the same decade after decade, century after century, era after era.
01:00:52
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Like, we don't... Do we know what changes for us? Our technology and in in our access to knowledge and stuff. But as animals, we're still constantly the fucking same. We're predictable.
01:01:06
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Which is why... so with The moment we invent time travel, we're fucked. Okay, that was number five. Number five, one last thing.
01:01:17
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Some examples of speculation. Type five civilizations can be equated to gods capable of creating and experimenting with new forms of life.
01:01:29
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We're already doing that now at a point seven, aren't we? This is something wanted to throw out there. Like, what do you mean? Like, creating life? Yeah.
01:01:40
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I mean, I think artificially we Creating and experimenting with new forms of life. We manipulate genes and such. Now, granted, it's not new forms of life. But we're taking baby steps in that direction at level 0.7.
01:01:55
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Okay, so when I think new forms of life, I think other than carbon-based. Like, right now, all we do is experiment with carbon-based life.
01:02:07
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i like and is carbon based yeah That's all we know. That's all we're that's all we know. What I'm saying is when we experiment with new life forms, I'm thinking maybe methane-based life forms or gold-based. I know it sounds crazy, but gold-based or you know's something besides carbon-based. Silica-based. Silica-based.
01:02:31
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I think silica-based would probably be before all those other ones. That be neat. that would be neat
01:02:40
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You have to have a villain in order to have a hero. Yeah. That's um identity by negation.
01:02:51
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More Helgelian stuff, sorry. um
01:02:57
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We, yeah, identity through like ah negative identity or identity through night negation. um um um I'm a good person because the person right in front of me is a bad person, sort of like, kind of like.
01:03:10
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compare, and contrast sort of identity. Is AI a new life? I wouldn't say AI. I think that's what you're trying to say, Sean.
01:03:21
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I wouldn't say AI is a new life. I just think it's just um higher level computer coding. Oh, interesting point.
01:03:34
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ai so like AI is not silicon based. AI is ones and zeros. It's so computer code. I wouldn't say computer code is silicone.
01:03:48
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Silicon Valley? Let's say it's digital based. It's the material in which we put together this technology.
01:03:59
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think of ah think of it Think of it as as the um the AI, the emergent property of AI is like our consciousness. in our brains, the functions of our brains would be the silicon or the silicon, whatever.
01:04:16
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That's the way I look at it. Like the AI itself, it communicating, knowing stuff and stuff is like the emergent property of the processes of the silicon-based technology. That's why I wouldn't say, i guess in a way, I guess you could say it's silicon-based in that function.
01:04:33
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So, yeah. Is mankind just a step on the scale ah step on the evolutionary scale? Is mankind just a step on the evolutionary scale of AI?
01:04:50
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I think AI is going to be a factor in furthering human evolution. that's I think it's going be one of those um man-made pressures that's going to influence evolution, yes.
01:05:06
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ah i would I would put it that way.
01:05:12
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AI is a giant black hole that sucks up information like a vacuum. As soon as you ask it a question, it starts sucking. It's not a lie, am I, baby? It's not a lie. I wouldn't say it's a lie. And the reason in in the reason why I went in, I brought this up before, the wine glass thing.
01:05:32
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I don't know if you were on the network at that time, Michael. i think I don't think you were. Apparently, a few months ago, somebody tried to look have ah chat GPT or one of them show them a picture of a wine glass.
01:05:47
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I just happen to have a wine glass here. That's filled to the very brim, but because that is not a normal way we fill wine glass, you AI can't make a picture.
01:05:58
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They can make a picture of it being half full or sloshing over, but not completely full because AI, AI relies on the information that's already out there. It's not capable of thinking, Oh,
01:06:12
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I can't find that. Let me just produce a picture with it all the way. it's not It's not capable of doing that, which i which I think is really weird. You figured it would be at the capability of doing that unless it's maybe, it wasn't programmed to do it.
01:06:28
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That's my thing. AI as it sits now is is restrained by programming limits. It can't program itself to do outside of its existing programming from what I understand.
01:06:44
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That makes sense. It's more a robot than AI. What's that? it's more yeah it's more Yeah, it's more of a robot than AI. that's right And also the whole AI thing, artificial intelligence, is more of a marketing thing than an actual description of what it is.
01:07:00
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That's why I like to refer to it just a higher level of computer program.
01:07:07
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Thank you. Thank you. as was it my Well, actually, that was my example. i was just Yeah, thank you. Well, love how about self-learning? You're familiar?
01:07:21
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Mm-hmm. It's self-learning to a point. when it's When it's interacting with something, it can self-learn that way.
01:07:34
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But still, it's... hey Okay, have you ever... have you okay i I like to watch debates. i'm i'm ah i like I like a good debate. ah Some of them are debates.
01:07:44
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debate bro maybe but more like academic debates um and i'm gonna stop it and this is why shut this down we're gonna have a whole ai talk on another show we're we're jumping so far off oh you're right okay yeah you're you're not we have a lot to say about that yeah i do too i'm i'm not even touching the surface of what i think about ai what do yeah let's shut ai down And that'll be next Thursday.
01:08:14
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Let's finish up Carb Shove's Carb Shove scale today. Can we do that? yeah Dude, that's what I'm saying. that miss hol I know how we get. This whole topic, I mean, goes into to like um ethics and morals and politics and philosophy and Absolutely. So, yeah, let's let's let's but's motor on past that. But, yeah, that's... Segway.
01:08:37
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Type six Tarnashev scales. i'm i'm blaming our I'm blaming our awesome audience and their great engagement with us. Yeah, no doubt. ah du They're taking us down some really cool roads.
01:08:48
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Thanks for watching. Thanks for paying attention. And thanks for throwing your your information at us. It's really helpful. So a Type 6 civilization, referred to as a megaversal megaversile civilization, exists beyond the concept of a single universe.
01:09:06
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It is capable of manipulating and creating entire multiverses, creating and manipulating entire multiverses, effectively controlling the fundamental laws of physics across infinite possibilities.
01:09:19
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This level of advancement implies a civilization that can exist outside of time and space, potentially creating and destroying universes at will and potentially existing in a state beyond our current comprehension.
01:09:35
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And there it is. Something that's outside our current comprehension. but MK. Love this. This person is awesome.
01:09:47
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Um, There is a lot, a lot of rabbit holes going down. Here's one for you, Mr. Ethics. And that's what that's that's what chronic contemplations is about, those rabbit holes.
01:10:03
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That's a good one, Shaman. You're right. so here's an ethical consideration offered up by the AI here. By AI, yeah. the immense power of a type 6 civilization raises questions about their motivations potential for control and the implications for other civilizations within their multiverse but and this is a big old but if they are the ones creating and manipulating multiverses they created that other civilization so by design don't they have the right at that point to create and destroy
01:10:40
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I don't know.
Ethics of Multiverse Creation
01:10:42
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I don't i chris i don't like that answer and when people tell me, well, God created you. He has a right to destroy you. I think, no, no, no. i think Again, bad moral fucking code.
01:10:54
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I don't think so. No. That's my ass. That's my consideration. Yeah, again, I think, but okay. Okay. No matter the advancements of a good moral code, I'm sure people within a civilization are still going to have shitty fucking moral codes.
01:11:12
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So I can see how some bad person can take this technology and Thanos it. I can get it. I think that's basically... Okay, how does how does a how does a reality exist outside the other realities?
01:11:27
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like Wouldn't that just make it another multiverse? Outside of space and time, it's very different. How do you, okay. It's sort of like the quantum realm, right? It's beyond below and and different than everything else.
01:11:39
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and but out butt want some But outside space and time, the quantum realm exists within space and time. Or I should say space and time exists within the quantum realm.
01:11:50
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Because here's the thing. The TVA exists outside of time. Because when people say something exists outside of space and time, that that's so ambiguous. it's like, we don't know what that is.
01:12:03
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We don't understand what it is to exist outside space and time because we only understand what exists inside space and time. So when we start getting past number, once we get into like four or what numbers, yeah, once we pass three, we start getting in this realm of just what ifs, what ifs.
01:12:26
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Such strong hypothesis, actually weak hypothesis, actually. Because it starts to rely on saying the same sort of of of words, ah spiritual, feel-good, masking words that that religions use.
01:12:42
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Again, outside space and time. This is a huge one William Lane Craig uses with with his this argument for the existence of God. Oh, you know, when he go when he talks about intelligent diet design and she's like, well, who who who designed the designer? Well, nobody, because the designer exists outside of space and time.
01:13:02
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Well, explain to me what that is I don't know.
01:13:08
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Paint a picture of that and those words paint a picture of it. Yeah, it's words that don't make sense. It's like saying, I'm a married bachelor. What is that?
01:13:20
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It's an oxymoron. Oxymorons. I don't think morals change based on ability. What do you mean morals don't change based on ability?
01:13:31
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He said he doesn't think that.
01:13:34
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I don't think morals change. i don't i don't I don't think he's saying you said that. But um following along with what we've been talking about, right? At a type 1 civilization, as a species, we no longer fight and we're not self-serving anymore. We're more willing to advance the species.
01:13:51
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We drop our differences. I think that's what he's talking about. I could be mistaken. i Okay, Shaman. um i i I don't agree. and I'm going to pitch something to you. It's going pithy. I think human morals do change as we progress with technologies and the way society has progressed.
01:14:17
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I think if you look at the moral convictions of, say, people who lived under a feudalism system compared to people who live under ah the system which we live in today, I think... I was wrong.
01:14:30
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I didn't mean that. You said it. Oh, I didn't say that. I think he's talking about me. Oh, I'm confused. i was I was trying to translate what I thought he meant.
01:14:43
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Oh, okay. About morals based on ability. No, i don't think yeah i don't i don't think so I don't think so. I think they change based on...
01:14:54
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and they So many factors, right? Yeah, we're we're huge we're impressionable. we were're We're a product form of of our of our material conditions.
01:15:08
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And if those material conditions consist of of of poor moral systems or good moral systems that's going to drive like It's going to drive us as as a society and actually even individuals.
01:15:24
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What is morally right will always be morally right. No.
01:15:31
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No. but i don Okay. but god We're going to start going down the catecholical area. Again, another fucking rabbit hole. Morals. Yeah, because this is a good one. i love talking morals.
01:15:43
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I love talking because morals... Like at one time I thought I was a moral relativist. Sometimes I feel like I am, but at moments I'm like, I actually agree with the categorical imperative.
01:15:56
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So I, morals is a fucking crazy conversation.
01:16:02
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Yeah, it's a great conversation. I like, I like, I like a good moral conversation. Shaman, you need come up here one morning, buddy. and I'd love to have you up here one morning. Some Thursday morning we'll talk about, yeah, absolutely. Talk about morals with shaman.
01:16:17
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But right now we're talking about the... Kardashev. Kardashev. Kardashev scale. Kardashev.
01:16:29
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We're on at number six right now. Talking about fucking creating other realities and influencing and manipulating time. and That's just... that's Okay, I wouldn't say... Would you put that in God tier?
01:16:42
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Or small G God? Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, pretty much anything past four is godlike.
01:16:53
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If you can do all... Don't do it real quick. Take your time. Enjoy it, my friend.
01:17:01
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ah we And again, these are all hypothetical. I mean, these are... Once you get past three, it's all in the realm of we can't comprehend it yet. We're going to talk about it.
01:17:15
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Three scenes. I find it super interesting. But I mean, once you start talking about creating and destroying realities and manipulating this, that, it's like, you okay, let's start really breaking down the meanings of these worlds. What words, words, the meanings of these words, words are hard.
01:17:31
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Reality. What is reality? That in and of itself is a crazy, crazy train to talk about. We're not going down that train. I'm just saying. These are things that all need to be considered when you really think about what we're considering.
01:17:46
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Many considerations. Many considerations. Well, now you're going through down some of this shit I like to talk about. Ontological fucking being. The state of the state of existence. We'll do that.
01:17:57
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just not today. Just not today. So mark your mark your calendars, kids. We've got morals coming up. And we've got, what did we just say?
01:18:11
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Perception. Perception. Perception isn't reality. Perception is what you think reality. Our perceptions are different. we we We operate our own paradigms individually speaking. like what What we agree on is red might actually be different shades if we were actually able to test how we see red compared to each other.
01:18:33
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Fucking weird as that sounds. Number seven. My perception now is very, very different than my perception on five or six tabs of LSD.
01:18:45
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yeah That's the thing. Perception is relative based on a lot of different factors. and Your brain chemistry at that moment is one them. I had this buddy. and One time we were sitting there talking about was trying to explain to him that we had different paradigms.
01:19:00
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you know and and They're based off our own lived experiences and what we know. and buth blah blah He looked at me one day. He's like, so and you're in your world, that means my dad never died. I was like, no, that's not what I mean.
01:19:13
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The death of your father still happened. I just didn't know about it it had no effect on my being until I met you and told me that. So, it's weird.
01:19:24
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Weird how that shit works. Schrodinger's daddy. but schroer Schrodinger's dad, you're right. I didn't know your dad was alive or dead until I met you.
01:19:39
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We can still say some smart shit and make it funny. Boom. Right? I guess pardon is a better term. Pardon.
01:19:48
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Pardon.
01:19:53
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ah Paradigm. um I think that's what you mean. So everyone lives in a different reality. No, we live in the same reality. We have a different perspective of which makes realities...
01:20:06
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our which which makes our are ah realities
01:20:13
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are are What we think reality is filtered through our own senses and our our own senses are not 100% the same as the next person shoulders shoulder to shoulder to us.
01:20:25
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Paradigm, that's right. P-A-R-D-I-N.
01:20:31
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Segway. Type 7, Kardashev civilizations. Thank you. we're getting We're getting near time. I know you're trying to keep things buttoned down on the show. You're good. Oh, no, this is this is fun. I like Yeah, I could do this all day, but I can't. I got grass to mow, kids.
01:20:48
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Can't smell after the ball. A hypothetical case, type 7, Kardashev type 7, is a hypothetical. Again, four on is all hypothetical. Three and under are potentially possible.
01:21:02
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Probably not for humanity, but another better, more evolved species. I think they're all technically hypothesized until we actually experience one another.
01:21:15
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i would I would say the first three are theoretical. Four and beyond are hypothetical. With current science and current you know knowledge of universal constants and you know um proofs and such, one through three can happen.
01:21:34
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there So, type seven. That's my opinion. i I'm not super science man, so I just believe that that is one distinction we can make between hypothesis and theory. In this particular case, I know we talked about that quite a bit.
01:21:48
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We see the eye to eye on a hypothesis versus a theory. Hypothetical civilizations that exist beyond the scope of our current understanding. Again, thanks for repeating that. Potential controlling and manipulating not just our universe, but the entire omniverse.
01:22:04
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They would be able to manipulate the fundamental forces of nature. create and destroy universes and exist beyond the constraints of space-time. Essentially, they would be godlike in their power and understanding. They would encompass the entire Omniverse.
Type 7 Civilizations and Ultimate Power
01:22:17
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Includes all possible universes, multiverses, and dimensions. We didnt even talk about dimensions yet. They would be able to manipulate the fabric of space-time, potentially creating and destroying dimensions realities at will, just with the thought.
01:22:33
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They would have mastery over all fundamental forces of nature, including gravity, electromagnetism, and strong and weak nuclear forces. That's a talk all in and itself, Starman, weak nuclear force.
01:22:43
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And there would be considered godlike abilities. No, we wouldn't. No, that's the thing for two reasons. One, there's that civilization would be so far advanced, we wouldn't detect them. They wouldn't want us to detect them. We would only detect them if they wanted us Two,
01:23:00
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um A species, like, i don't I don't think we as a species humans will even be around shit like this happens. If it were to happen.
01:23:10
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Like, we would be long in and extinct and a whole different species has replaced us. The only way we could attempt it is if we were able to genetically manipulate ourselves to be more hardy.
01:23:24
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We are and very fragile species. i'll confuse not confuse I'm right Number seven. Again, outside space and time.
01:23:36
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ah like okay What is an omniverse? I'm assuming the omniverse is what's considered all multiverses. That's all all universes, multiverses, and dimensions.
01:23:54
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I don't even want to go down dimensions right now. Dimensions is really interesting, man. Because they're... Multiple dimensions. Because we talk about we're talking about the Kardashev scale. like After three, it's just quote-unquote hypothesis. the and Let's be real wild. The dimension the the way dimensions are, you know one, two, three, four, five, I think is what we can actually, science can actually not reproduce, but can write down an equation for
01:24:28
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After that, it's all just speculation or extra hypothesis or however you want to put it. But there is, there's a, there's a piece of art out there that's designed based off a equation that goes up to like, I want to say hundred something dimensions, but I have to find it. It's pretty fucking fascinating.
01:24:51
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I have to find information on that. I'll send it to you because I do want to talk about dimensions one time. That's, mind-blowing within itself but anyway back on number seven back on there was a different kardashev video since you're talking about the dimensional thing there was a different part of your video i've seen i believe this is the one uh for the y files with aj and hegglefish uh they talked about at certain levels beyond three and four that you can operate in higher dimensions and basically a fifth dimensional being we're three-dimensional beings a fifth dimensional fifthdimenional being
01:25:28
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would be like a god but it goes up to like 11 dimensions
01:25:35
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and i just can't it's again it's beyond comprehension how somebody even it's almost just like somebody got high and just started guessing at shit i mean it's so phenomenally out there that's why i make that's why this makes a good good conversation because we're stoned ahronic that's right and
01:26:01
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man But you were saying, I'm sorry. So the way i don't have, okay, I've got a piece of paper. Imagine you would, this piece of paper, flat.
01:26:14
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that's That's, you see, hey you can see how you can barely see it. and That's like's dimension one. That's first dimension, just flat. Then you take, then you add a two two dimension.
01:26:27
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I drew a circle on this piece of paper. Now, if a three three dimension ah entity can look down and see the circle and see the paper, the two dimensional character can see the paper.
01:26:40
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But let's say the paper was conscious. It could not see the circle that I drew on because the circle is two dimension. watch staley go on So on and so on. So we're incapable of seeing the fourth dimension, and everything else above that.
01:27:00
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So that's kind of the way i've it's it's been explained to me, and that was very simple. i I'll have to find a better video on it. there's this There's this genius kid out there decades ago that fucking explains it amazingly.
01:27:15
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So weird. and think he was like 13 when he did. He's math genius. So anyway. At 13, I was pulling tubes four times a day.
01:27:31
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I was not discovering Iron Math. I was discovering new places to beat my meter.
01:27:39
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Carl Sagan. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, Carl Sagan definitely does. See, Shama knows who I'm talking about. Yeah. He had went viral.
Light-hearted Closing and Farewells
01:27:46
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He did, too. That decades ago, almost Phil.
01:27:49
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Like almost two decades ago. You two way smarter than me.
01:27:55
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Shaman probably gets get stoned and watches show on YouTube too like I do sometimes. i want to I want to make a comment. You know how people sit there, i call it death scrolling or doom scrolling or whatnot. A lot of people will say, oh, we're just addicted to our phones.
01:28:09
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We're just addicted to our phones. No, what it is is our brains are craving information. And we're feeding it information. We're just feeding it the wrong type of information.
01:28:22
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Just food for thought. You get yourself scrolling, scroll more substantive information like math or language or linguistics or philosophy or something.
01:28:39
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Just a suggestion. You don't take my suggestion if you want. Those are words to live by here from Contemplations. That's my take.
01:28:50
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Anyway, Michael, you got anything else you want to add before we dip out of here? Watch short videos with us tomorrow night at 8 o'clock on Nonsense and Chill. Josh and I are going to hang out and watch some comedy short films.
01:29:06
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Absolutely. have a few of those. We'll talk about them, review them, because of course that's what we do for copyright reasons.
01:29:18
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How dare you, sir? Changed my life.
01:29:22
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Yes, there's some pretty pretty awesome stuff out there. There's some stuff that I think is worthwhile, but I think some of it is also coded in shit gotta take for grain of salt. But on that note, I think that was another great episode, and I want to say goodnight.
01:29:38
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Good night. Good morning, everyone. Oi, it's have morning. Have a great episode. Have a great day. Thanks again, everybody. appreciate but What sounds better? Have a great day or enjoy the next 24 hours.
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