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Young Justice Season 3 Part 3 (Ep 13-21)
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Our penultimate coverage of Young Justice Outsiders as we cover episodes 13 through 21 in preparation for the new season currently airing on HBOMax!
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Introduction and Host Introduction
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On another exciting entry of animation deliberation, we continue our coverage of Young Justice season 3, Outsiders. It's part 3 as we, you know, we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. We know season 4 is out. We are trying to get through our coverage fast and furiously. Thank you for your patience. All that right after some ads, we have no control over. You're invited to take a vacation.
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You're invited to explore cypress swamps and magical gardens, and float along the rushing waters of an old-fashioned swimming hole. Plan your journey at visitmississippi.org slash outdooradventure. Mississippi. Wanderers welcome. Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration.
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of our favorite action animated series. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. Welcome back, folks. It's Animation Deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. I'm Jay Scottie St. Clair and coming in with the baritone there is Mr. Zuhair Ali. What's up, my friend? How are you? Hanging in there having some eight o'clock coffee. How about yourself?
00:01:45
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I don't have any coffee by me, but yeah, I'm similarly hanging in there. It's a surprisingly hot day for late October. It's pretty crazy to think Halloween is just a few days away. And thinking about my costume, it's making me sweat more than I am already. So we got we got clouds and 60 degrees over here. So I'm very happy. All right. All right. Well, I'll do my best to stay well. Yeah.
Coverage of Young Justice Season 3 Episodes 13-21
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Yeah, so we are going to be continuing our coverage of Young Justice, as I mentioned, all of that in preparation for Young Justice season four, which is currently airing on HBO Max. We're very excited about that. We're going to be talking about episodes 13 through 21.
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But before we get into all that, there's a little bit of housekeeping to do. We have some feedback to address as well as a review. One of our lovely five star reviews from our treasured listeners. And Zuhara, you have that prepared for us, don't you?
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Yep, you know, we're going to be talking a lot about DC, so let's get some love from the Marvel and real quick. Joe McStuffins tells us the podcast has been consistently strong. I'm really loving their coverage of what if I tune in after each episode. They have such great insights into the stories, but even better is their discussion of the animation style. This was barely on my radar until they taught me how to think about it. Guest Andrew has deep knowledge about so many nerd things and has made the show even stronger.
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Thank you for that, Joe. Glad we could mix stuff some good content in your ears. That really means a lot. One of the goals personally for this show is that people get the opportunity to enjoy good story and look past the fact that it's animated content. So I'm glad that we're helping you enjoy that stuff.
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Yeah, I 100% agree. We say that we take it seriously. And to get feedback like that just makes me feel pretty good about the approach that we're taking here. And I love the shout out to Andrew. I absolutely love having him on and introducing his voice. He's definitely very well spoken and passionate about this stuff. So any opportunity we get to have Andrew back on, we certainly will. And we thank him for being a valued member of the show so far. Thank you, Andrew. Yeah. And thank you, Joe, for your feedback. Of course, yeah. Thank you, Joe.
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So on the subject of reviews, before we move on from that entirely, we did have our September contest. The Strandepanda Network, all nine shows, had a month long contest in which if you submitted a five star review, you were submitted into a drawing.
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to win your choice of an Oculus Rift 2 or a Nintendo Switch. And the winner was announced last week on the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast, the MCU podcast, the flagship show here. And that winner was PurpleLama63. So PurpleLama63, if you have not already reached out to the folks at the MCU cast, please do so. And thank you for participating. Thank you to everybody that left us a review. Our growth was huge.
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All right. So with review stuff out of the way, let's move on to that feedback. And one of our tried and true listeners here, TJ Stafford, shout out to TJ. We know that you are currently watching Young Justice season four as it airs. So thank you for your patience and thank you for all the feedback you've submitted so far. But this particular feedback pertains to something we brought up on our part two coverage. So is you here whenever you're ready for that?
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TJ, can't wait to talk to you about season 4. Thanks for constantly putting messages into the SP chat to intrigue some, you know, hopefully get some new watchers of such a great show. You're not alone. You're not alone. But as I've stated multiple times, I do not read comics and I'm very limited on
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a lot of these characters. So when we were confused about a few of them, TJ was nice enough to write in and give us a little bit of background of his exposure to these characters because I didn't look into them. So TJ says,
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I'm not a comic expert so I'm just going to mention other on-screen portrayals that I've seen. Steele is by far the more well known of the two. The first time I saw him was in Superman the Animated Series. I believe he was a former Lexcor employee who was saved by Superman and decided to become a hero himself. He builds an Iron Man style suit and becomes an ally of Superman. He is also in a few episodes of Justice League Unlimited.
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He's also a main character in the Reign of Superman movie in the New 52 animated continuity and a main character of the Superman and Lois show on the CW. I know a lot less about Metamorpho.
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My only exposure to him is he has a two episode arc in the first season of Justice League. He's an old military buddy of Green Lantern, Jon Stewart, who was experimented on by Simon Stagg against his will and turned into metamorpho. He can stretch and shape shift as you saw, but he can also transmutate into various chemical compounds. You probably learned all this since you recorded this episode, but I figured I'd share what I know anyways. DJ Stafford. Actually, no, you filled this in. So thank you so much and please keep writing in.
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Yeah,
Listener Feedback on Comic Characters
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yeah, I do appreciate that. The one thing that kind of stuck out to me in pertaining to the metamorpho tidbits there is that he mentioned Simon Stagg was the one that's responsible for the experimentation. And with Branchwater already being mentioned earlier on in the season, it kind of makes me wonder, will metamorpho just kind of be like a one off, like little nod to the fans or could he potentially be coming back? I mean,
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At this point in time, I don't think so, but we'll get into that as we talk about these later episodes that are kind of coming to a head. I'm trying to remember when Simon Stagg was brought in.
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Oh, he's it's very it's he's it's kind of like almost done like via montage when they're it's like when Aqua Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Dick are all kind of talking. It was in triptych when they're talking about how their various operations kind of came together to reveal ranch water and Simon Stagg Industries. He's just kind of seen being apprehended there. But then oh, he gets killed by by shade at the end of it, doesn't he?
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I believe so. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, he's probably not coming back, but maybe, maybe his, uh, his business or like the ramifications of his experimentations potentially could hopefully see metamorpho more. Cause I hope we can see some metamorpho.
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Yeah, Steel was Steel was briefly in Reign of Superman. Hopefully we can cover those movies one day because that was a great, great cinematic universe. Like they had 19 movies like I and I thought that was more on par with MCU than the actual DCEU was. Yeah. Had a lot of great movies, especially Justice League Dark, which is one of my favorites.
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Yeah, yeah, I would I look forward to tackling all those and those will be a little bit easier just to kind of do like we could do cast about like movies and almost kind of do it as a review and a discussion there that that's a little bit easier than taking on a whole season at a time. But yeah.
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I think the only one that I've seen more than once and could like right now speak with any like level of like real knowledge too is the Flashpoint Paradox, which I think was like the first of all those new movies. Okay. That's what I thought. Okay. Cool.
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Yeah. All right. Well, we are here to talk DC, but not that particular branch of the DC multiverse.
Episode Analysis: 'True Heroes' and Terra's Allegiance
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We're getting back into Young Justice Outsiders, and we pick up pretty much right where we left off with, you know, the last episode we covered was Nightmare Monkeys where Beast Boy
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basically gets the knowledge that Gretchen goodness and the good goggles are basically no bueno. And he's going to get back in the fold and help our heroes. So we pick up from there with true heroes. And this is basically where they they rescue Brion's sister, Terra. They do an undercover operative mission in. Is it in Markovia or is it Bialia? I think it's Bialia.
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think it was. Okay. Yeah. So other than like I mentioned, Tara being saved by the end and being in the fold there at the end, the one of the big takeaways for me was that the ringleader of the whole like fight and auction that was going down, Mr. Bliss, that was a character that I wasn't familiar with as well. But
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Until I saw his name pop up on the subtitles I actually thought it was like a new version of the Joker because we talked about in how season one that version of the Joker wasn't necessarily either one of our favorites and I thought this version of Mr. Bliss actually looked a lot like the Joker Jared Leto's Joker from the Suicide Squad or Suicide Squad 2016 one with the slick back here and the the tux and whatnot I don't know what you if you had any feelings about that character of the episode overall I
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Um, what caught my eye more than him were the bitter seem to be from the court of owls, which is like this, you know, underground influential group of immortal puppet masters in a way, the kind of like, orchestrate what happens in Gotham to like how they wanted to. And it's a whole thing and they didn't quite dwell into it, but for them to have the money to
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bid on meta humans and the mass and stuff was really fascinating. So I wasn't, I wasn't as focused on Mr. Bliss. I just thought he was, uh, you know, a clown doing his thing. For sure. Um, that's fair. I guess I just didn't give him more attention than I figured I thought he needed, but, uh, the whole like court of owls reference and seeing the mass was pretty cool.
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Yeah, no, that's a great call. And I'm trying to remember, was the Court of Owls actually ever said out loud? I don't think it was. No, OK, very good then. Yeah. No, I'm assuming it was then because of the masks. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
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And also, uh, Tara was a, Tara was a really interesting thing because she was a big character in Teen Titans. Right. But I'm so used to hearing Tara that throughout this whole series, when they say Tara, like with an accent and everything, it never even occurred to me. Like I'm looking at geo forces powers and everything. And it's like, it's still not ringing to me like, Oh, it's the same.
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Tara and you kind of have an idea of like where her story is gonna go because of Teen Titans and but just because a little accent change from going from Tara to Tara like Yeah, oh they went over my head until I was like, oh Yeah, and I will probably end up going back and forth on my pronunciation of Tara and Tara so forgive me if that's something that's a
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is a is a tick for you. But I guess the other thing worth mentioning to me is the title I always appreciate when they have like these titles with like multiple meanings and whatnot. So obviously with true heroes, we have our heroes kind of doing more subterfuge and espionage things, but then when they get that opportunity to reveal their masks and
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Be true heroes, but on the other side of the thing with Violet basically learning that she doesn't always have to be like an out there in the field of Breon like her service her act of being a hero can be you know just to Help Victor stone and help him come to terms with you know what he's dealing with she seems to be the only one that's able to snap him out of his
00:13:38
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Technology rage things. Episodes. What were you saying? I just called it a psycho state. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can we talk about how amazing the music is whenever he goes into that state, though? Hmm.
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I'm not sure if that's psycho dubstep. This is oh, yeah. Oh, there's something about it that just like it really gets me on the edge of my on my seat and just gives me like the heebie jeebies. Like whenever that music drops, I'm like, oh, it's about to go down.
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Nice, nice. It's one of those things I need to do a better job of paying attention to the music of the show. But it's I think it's worth noting that it's been so good and effective that I've just always kind of been sucked in. I think if it was bad, I'd probably be paying more attention to it. But it's usually just doing what it's supposed to do and creating the mood and just
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Sucking you into what's going on with the characters and the action so I agree with you there now that you're bringing it back up I do get kind of reminiscent like really bass heavy kind of dubstep II Industrial sounds which yeah is super fitting and then I guess the last little thing about true heroes is that with Tara aka Tara being rescued we get the question of whether or not she's actually a true hero because she starts and
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communicating. I don't think they waste any time letting you know that she's communicating with deathstroke actually.
Beast Boy's Influence and Social Media Themes
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No, that's one of the things that's just been a constant between her character and Teen Titans in the the Titans movie with the animated universe that we were talking about before. Like that's just a common thing of her character that she's tight with Deathstroke. But the the nature of the relationship kind of depends on the content that's covering them, because in the other movie, it was just creepy. And
00:15:28
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She was really weird, dude. It crossed a couple lines. But in Teen Titans, it was more like, you know, mentor status. And, you know, we're we're going to dwell a little bit into how they do this one. But yeah, that's just kind of like a constant. It's it's for for MCU fans, it's a fixed point in the timeline that she she works with Deathstroke a lot. Hmm. Yeah. OK. Well,
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At the point we are with having watched through episode 21, it's been one of those things that they've definitely continued, but it hasn't really necessarily, we haven't had a, it's the word I'm looking for. It hasn't come to a head. There hasn't been a big blow up within the team learning about her communicating with him, but I'm very excited to see what it finally does, especially with Brion. He's already kind of
00:16:26
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been jaded by one of the people he cares about a lot in his life, but we'll get into that. All right, so we can move on to episode 14, influence. Do you kind of want to take the lead on this one?
00:16:38
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I mean, yeah, it's one of the cool things where we got to see more about what the Justice League has been up to. And they're on their mission trying to deal with the stuff on Earth, but they're still dealing with the ramifications of what happened in season two where they just like went on a rampage and like people still don't trust them. So not only is Earth making their job difficult, but so is the rest of the universe. They can't even like
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followed the, all of these leads and actually do their job because of all the negative ramifications of what Savage did to them. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It's that was all the way back in season one and we're still dealing with the fallout for that. So yeah, I just always, I continue to be impressed just how
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long-sighted Vandal was with with all his scheming and manipulations there. But just kind of again speaking to like the the title of influence obviously everything you just brought up about like the League's influence not only on Earth but out in space. But also you have like this through line with Garfield and Beast Boy having been you know in the public limelight and being a TV actor and actually
00:17:53
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you know, having that social media presence, it's been one of those things like a lot of the episodes end on Beast Boy kind of like checking his various like heroics and what kind of social media response they're getting. So I appreciate that aspect of it as well. I mean, it came out in 2019, I think in the
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previous episode, social media was becoming a thing, but it wasn't quite the cultural touchstone that it is these days, for lack of a better way of saying it. Yeah, they definitely put more emphasis on it, this episode just showing how much of a reach that he has. And this whole section put together, I'm trying to think of like how to word this without sounding
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political at all but it covers a lot of social issues.
00:18:48
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And I don't want to dive too into it, but there really was a little something for everyone in this. We had dialogue of Halo not knowing if she's a she or he because she's like her own thing now. Right. We have a big reveal with Aquaman and his new partner.
00:19:17
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Yeah, yeah, they're doing a lot of cultural characters. We have another Native American, we have another Hispanic character. We have an Indian character, which I got excited about as soon as I heard that accent. I was like, right. So it's it's cool. It's cool how
00:19:35
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how cleanly they incorporated everything. But it wasn't like overwhelming at all. So kind of like, hey, this is these characters. This is what they do. Enjoy the rest of the show. Yeah, I think especially with Aquaman and his new relationship, they play it in this episode, especially super subtly. But yeah, yeah, I really like what you bring up about Violet, especially. I mean, she's undergone so much in the fact that I guess she is
00:20:05
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I mean, just a regular human can have these kind of questions too, but just the fact that she's like inhabiting the resurrected body of a deceased person who's some of her memories she still gets and then just being the essence of a mother box combined. Like, yeah, there's obviously you don't fit into the.
00:20:24
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typical binary definitions that we've grown so accustomed here in our earth based society. So it's nice when the shows dealing with such larger than life things that can kind of find moments to be both topical and poignant, I will say. Yeah, but just how how clean and smooth and appropriately they did it all like that. DC deserves an applause for that.
00:20:51
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Mm hmm. Yeah. And then the other part of the episode, which is not nearly as poignant at all. And it's kind of funny is his guy Gardner. I've heard a lot about Gardner and been kind of exposed to him here and there. But this was honestly one of my biggest exposures to him. And he totally is just.
00:21:09
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He's like everything about metamorpho, but in the wrong way. It's like he doesn't know when to stop. I love that description because like whenever he pops up on screen in the most minute ways, I think of the first season when they're trying to like induct new members and they were like, what about Guy Gardner? And both the landers just go, no. Right. No conversation. We have no reason why. And that is just.
00:21:34
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Entertainingly stupid dialogue in this just makes us go, oh, that's why. They're like, we don't want to be a lantern with him and a leaker with him. Please don't let him in. Mm hmm. He's so funny.
00:21:51
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Yeah, yeah, I appreciated the little bit of time we got to spend with him, but I could see how he could his welcome could wear pretty thin pretty quickly. Yeah, I want to see more metamorpho. I think I saw enough of Guy. Yeah, for sure. Don't tell Guy that, though. All right. Anything else you wanted to bring up about episode 14 influence? It still shows to why this is my favorite Superman.
00:22:20
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Not super overpowered, you see he's kind of on the same wavelength as Wonder Woman and Hawkman and Hawkwoman. Sure, he's probably a little bit stronger, but it's not like, oh, well since Superman's here, we got nothing to worry about.
00:22:35
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Always respect and appreciate that the show did that for Superman because it makes him more intriguing of a character when you actually see him in pain and actually see him try to fight through stuff. So, yeah,
Pop Culture References in Young Justice
00:22:48
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great fight scene. We're seeing more of Darkseid's influence and his power and his range and excited to see him. This more of a presence is the big bad.
00:22:59
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No, I'm actually super glad that you brought up Superman because one way or another, it led my thoughts back to Lex Luthor. And I would be remiss if I didn't bring up the fact that we got a great line from Lex Luthor in this one where he says who watches the Watchmen, which is. I'm a big Watchmen fan, so even as on the nose as it was, it was just it was appropriate, so I I really appreciated it. I'll watch that movie one of these days.
00:23:24
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read the graphic novel, then watch the movie. And is it like a one shot thing? Yeah. Yeah. And so it was a just a graphic novel. You can sit down. It might take a day or two to read, but yeah, you can read it in like one sitting and get the full story.
00:23:42
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than in there, but it is really just a, quite the experience. It's not like anything else I've read and it is one of the, like we're going off on a little bit of a tangent here, but it, in a lot of ways it was like an unfilmable film and like the adaptation. I like Zack Snyder's film, especially the director's cut, but he did the best that he could, but it's, it really is just a super, super difficult source material to
00:24:08
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Everything that it does all the themes and like the different ways like because it it'll do things where it like dives back into the past and like you're reading excerpts from somebody's journal or news clippings and the next thing you know, you're just like back in a regular comic book and whatnot. But I do think that HBO series that came out a couple of years ago probably did the best job of like capturing that the vibe and the themes of of Watchmen. I never got past the first episode of that. Oh, really? I highly recommend that one.
00:24:39
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Anywho, that's a whole other side of the DC multiverse that if they actually, I'm trying to think, is there much in the way. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be good. And then.
00:24:54
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DC would kind of be it's one of those things I think they feel they don't want to like create ill will amongst the fandom by like putting too much watch them out there too quickly. But I have to imagine it's only a matter of time before an animated film or series probably gets tackled. They've been doing a good job of like, threading them back into the into the comics world to, you know, mixed reception.
00:25:22
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We will see. We will see. All right, so episode 15 is leverage. And we get the return of some staple characters to Young Justice. They don't show up in every episode, but they show up every season one way or another. And that's the onslaught group. Always, always nice to see them and see
00:25:51
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how they've updated alongside our heroes and the terror twins. I never cease to be amazed by how much Tommy Terror has grown since that first season.
Return of Onslaught and Task Force X
00:26:05
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Yeah, they do a really good job at showing their growth and development over the years. The dialogue between
00:26:11
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Superboy and junior was so good. It's like I've still never forget how you took my girl, but then it is like hey, I'm engaged I was like, oh man, I'm so happy for you like why they're beating each other up. Yeah Yeah, that got a good laugh out of me as well
00:26:34
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But in addition to the onslaught being back in the fold, we do get another team that we've not seen in the world of Young Justice, but anybody familiar with DC is probably familiar with Task Force X, aka Suicide Squad. So this time around we see Black Manta and Captain Boomerang.
00:26:54
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as members of the Suicide Squad working for Amanda Waller. So that just kind of speaks to that whole title, again, their leverage. Amanda Waller always has her leverage over her task force operatives. And then by the end of the episode, she actually has leverage over Aquaman. And then I guess if you really want to follow it all the way through, Granny Goodness clearly has her leverage over
00:27:20
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Car. Yeah. I like that they threw in Artemis's dialogue of like checking to see like, wait a minute, I thought that they were in prison. And actually, you know, that little nod of like, yeah, these are prisoners that are being used and it's just like they're being put out under the radar. Yeah. It's one of those things a lot of times, you know, Amanda Waller is more sadistic than some of the worst villains. Yeah.
00:27:50
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I call her the wall for a reason. I like Black Manta too, so it was cool seeing him. Yeah. I'm trying to recall, I know he and Calder had an exchange.
00:28:06
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in which I was hoping you remembered that line because I couldn't. Yeah, unfortunately, I can't and didn't get to write it down. I'm coming off of having seen a lot of these episodes just the one time, too. And it's there's been a little bit of time removed. But I know that any time that they get to interact, like it always sets up Kaldor for a nice like basically black man is like, I expected such and such and such out of you. And then Kaldor gets to be like, well, then you should be pretty proud because I basically just kicked your. So. Yeah, man, it was such a good line.
00:28:36
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Dang it. I can't remember what it was. This would be possible. I'll see if I can find it later and edit it, edit it in. Which episode was this? This was 15, leverage. Why are you looking that up? I am remembering as I'm kind of like mulling over the episode. That's we do get the reintroduction of Eduardo.
00:28:58
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who has the teleportation powers and he's kind of working as a mentor to like a new group of metahumans. We've already seen a few of them with mist and live wire, but then there's this new Australian girl that he seems to have a strong connection to and she's not about wearing that inhibitor collar. She sees it as like basically being a
00:29:22
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a pet and it's kind of a heartbreaking moment where she learns that she doesn't have full control of her power. She basically sucks all the oxygen out of the room and then she basically becomes like a broken person and like has to submit to wearing this inhibitor collar and actually feels like a pet. It's pretty heartbreaking to see.
00:29:40
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Yeah, that definitely was, especially, you know, without, you know, just kind of like the nature of teenagers too, of just like, I can do this. I don't need lessons, whatever. I'm good. It's like, no, you kind of do need help and that's okay. I found the line. Okay. What you got? So Black Manta says, Cauldron, seeing you in those colors turns my stomach. Cauldron says, then it is fortunate you cannot see them from your prison cell father.
00:30:08
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There it is. I see the waters in the land is boiling from that burn. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. Now, this isn't the episode where static is like, I need to get a girlfriend, is it? That's not till later. No, that was the one that you were just talking about, though. OK, OK.
00:30:36
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All right. I'm trying to think, is there anything- Yeah, this was the Rocket Red Brigade where we have Russia's version of the Justice League, but it's basically- There we go. So much of Iron Man honors, armors, excuse me. Yeah. Basically your Crimson Dynamos where they're, and it's actually nice to see the heroes
00:30:57
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We talk we make the comparisons the MCU and like the Sokovia Accords and whatnot like dictating When and where the heroes can respond and it's it's actually nice to see that question get brought up a little bit like hey If Russia wants to have their own version of the Justice League, that's not really our business Yeah, like let them do it like until we have a reason to step in like Mm-hmm
00:31:21
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Who are we to step in right now? But then Amanda Waller decided that she wanted to step in. It's the Nick Fury, Steve Rogers line of like, who are we to decide who to stop before they're even a threat?
00:31:38
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And that's the mind, you know, Amanda Waller is fury and this is where the team is. Cap like, no, like that's not right. They were actually fighting for the rocket red brigade, which they didn't see beforehand, but it was nice for them to be like, well, this isn't our mission, but it's the right thing to do. So let's, let's help this country kind of, you know, do what they're actually putting their time and resources for.
00:32:04
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And it kind of puts them on good terms too because like why would they want to fight the Justice League for any reason if they're like on good accords with them? Yeah, yeah.
00:32:14
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all valid. And I'm just kind of glad that the show decided to explore it, even if it didn't go super deep into it. It's nice just to get a little bit of an acknowledgement there. I other thing I think is worth mentioning is with violets exposure to some of these criminals, it brings up some memories from her life as Gabrielle. And it kind of starts the
00:32:38
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the beginning of the end for Brion and Violet in terms of their relationship, because she finds out Gabrielle actually worked in the Markovian palace as like a servant of some kind. And she was paid off to unlock the door that allowed the speedster met a human, the Karaki speedster that came in and killed Brion's parents. He learns that actually she waits to tell him, but she's starting to struggle with that knowledge anyway.
00:33:06
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Yeah, especially because she has to tell Tara now too. Hmm. Yeah. Is that the couple name? Briole? Briole? Yeah. I like it. Works for me. I'm trying to think of what his last name is. Markov?
00:33:27
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Is it Markov? Breon Markov. Oh yeah. Breon Markov. Markovia Markov. It's kind of weird. It is Breon Markov though. Whatever. Anything else for leverage here that you feel is worth bringing up? Captain Boomer. I can't seem to stay off of the team. Oh yeah. Captain Boomerang is a task force X staple pretty much.
00:33:54
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Crikey, are they surrendering? What a bunch of losers! Those losers just forced a retreat. Trust me, they should not be underestimated. Oh yeah. That should pull the lines up more often.
00:34:06
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You should, you should write them down or have a little log or something like that. I mean, yeah, the dialogue on the shows. I mean, yeah, speaking to the music, the dialogue, it all just works in such unison and creates such a nice cohesive in product. And like with the animation and whatnot as well, like I brought up on one of our recent coverages of we've
00:34:30
Speaker
Started to tackle more shows and get gotten different styles of animation and whatnot. That's just one of the things I appreciate about Young Justice. It's not the most complex, but there's just a. Through line and like a commitment to the continuity, like that's what just like it never breaks or takes you out of it and. Just really appreciate it makes it a lot of fun to watch. Is that what you appreciate about them? Oh, look. Episode 16.
00:35:00
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Letter Kenny belongs everywhere. There is a Letter Kenny animated series, Little Kenny. It's not very good. But if we need an excuse someday, maybe we can make that happen. Okay. Anything else for leverage? No. Okay. You're invited to take a vacation.
00:35:22
Speaker
from everybody else's vacation to a place where you can explore cypress swamps and magical gardens and see a 65 foot waterfall that once powered an old mill that you can walk through today. Or just float along the cool rushing waters of an old fashioned swimming hole. See the places and plan your journey at visitmississippi.org slash outdoor adventure, Mississippi. Wanderers welcome.
00:35:49
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onward to episode 17, first impression. And I did get the log line for this one because I just, I think it's one of the more well-written ones, especially for anybody that's like, first watch the show from the beginning. And it's the reach our back terrorizing small town America, dot, dot, dot, unless the outsiders can stop them. Boom, boom, boom. There we go. So finally.
00:36:18
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season three outsiders. We know why it's called that for sure. I mean, we knew. We knew. We knew. I'll pretend I knew. I totally forgot, but sure, we knew. I mean, along the way, it was it was kind of obvious they were picking up like
00:36:38
Speaker
outsiders like Violet and Brion being, you know, exiled from Markovian and Karak and then Forger from New Genesis and whatnot. So they're picking up their outsiders along the way. And this is their first official mission.
The Outsiders' First Official Mission
00:36:57
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Yeah, because Garfield doesn't want to be on the secret team. He's like, nope, I'm used to being a TV star. Let's just put my name everywhere.
00:37:06
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Yeah. And speaking of, I forgot was we're mentioning all these like outsiders that get collected cyborg is chief among them as well. And
00:37:15
Speaker
With Beast Boy having been part of the show for so long, he's been kind of absent for season three, but right as like Victor is really becoming a part of the team, Beast Boy's back in it. And I'm already excited, you know, just given their history with the Teen Titans, you're already talking about Terra, AKA Tara. But the relationship between Beast Boy and Cyborg is one of the the best things that the DC young heroes first has going forward, I think.
00:37:44
Speaker
I forgot to mention it earlier, but when Beast Boy uses the money from Granny Goodness' contract to make a home base, that's basically Titan's Tower. They made that without saying that, which I thought was really cool. Even the Titans, Siri on HBO Max, has a Titan's Tower as well.
00:38:06
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It's cool seeing like the third rendition of that, but this one, you know, was, was as close as teen times as they could get. It wasn't a giant T in the middle of an island. It was an actual like building, but you know, it was real cool seeing how he put that money into the team. Like, uh, like how Bruce Wayne would have, um, but also they established that, um, you know, they, they asked that they asked them like, Hey, do you want to be an outsider or do you want to be on the team? Because there's two different things. And.
00:38:35
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Violet, Forger, and Tara are all on the team. And the outsiders now consist of Beast Boy, Kid Flash, Static, Wonder Girl, Blue Beetle, and Geoforce. Yes, yes.
00:38:53
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Um, little, little marker here. I realized when I took my notes here, I completely skipped over episode 16. So we can just finish talking about episode 17. I was going to say it, but you were in the middle of your intro thing. So I was like, I'll try to lean back into it later. Okay. I appreciate it. Yeah. I just, I don't know if I deleted on accident or just completely skipped over it, but yeah. Anyway. Yeah. You were in the zone. So I figured I would just try to bait it back in. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. All right. Let me get back on track here.
00:39:24
Speaker
So I was talking about Titan's Tower and who was on the team. And then we were talking about the Reach bugs attacking and that whole thing. Yeah. Well, originally the Reach are blamed for it, but it was actually perpetrated by who? Batman!
00:39:46
Speaker
Then I had an ad on a bump bump bump. Yeah, yeah, he's got his. Was it intergaying? I think so. Yeah, yeah. The crew of.
00:40:08
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Yeah. Ugly and whisper there. Yeah, we saw them all the way back in season two. They were those ones that were like first messing with the Appalachian technology, right? Ah, yeah. Yeah. So nice to see the the continuity there as well. It was cool seeing all those. I love the Irish accent. So hearing all those
00:40:37
Speaker
accents because they were in Ireland was entertaining for me. Yeah, this was the first time that they were actually like, you know, film doing their thing and being heroes and all right. Batman and companies actually like staging this up to make them look good, but they don't know that they think they're just doing a really good job, which they are all talented in their in their own means. But this was kind of the win, the win to kind of get
00:41:04
Speaker
the ball rolling and this little underground crew of Batman, Wonder Woman and Nightwing is kind of like indirectly using the outsiders to push their agenda without them knowing in classic Batman fashion. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. We got episode 16 of season three, Illusion of Control, which is kind of the quote unquote Thanksgiving episode.
00:41:33
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Always nice to see Bart Allen return. And this is where
Thanksgiving Episode and Character Dynamics
00:41:38
Speaker
we get. Yeah, this is where we get static static shock back in the end of things. And he gets that recurring joke where he really needs a girlfriend. I love how he counts. He was like, I don't want to be a seventh wheel. Yeah. Yeah. Got Gar and Queen Perdita still together. Beadle is with. Was it 13?
00:42:05
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Yeah, yeah, he's yeah, that's his girlfriend there. That's the one that we she was present on the battle in space. I remember we got to see just a little showcasing of her powers there, but we definitely had questions. And she's cute. She's enthusiastic. Her like complete and total fandom for Beast Boy is pretty hysterical. And I love that. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Why did you tell me you mean Beast Boy? Yeah, I love that Jaime is such a good sport about it. What was the third couple?
00:42:37
Speaker
So we got, we've got Perdita and B. Spoy, 13 and Jaime. So then... Was it Bart and some more? Is it Eduardo and...
00:42:54
Speaker
Well, I know he's got that thing going on with Wendy, the girl wearing the collar, but I don't know if she's the one that counts as like the couple because at one point he's the one that like says it or is it somebody ends up saying it to him like, dude, you need a girlfriend. But I can't remember who that was. That was probably Blue Beetle. I don't think it was Blue Beetle. I feel like it was like.
00:43:17
Speaker
Anyways, it was an interesting episode getting, uh, count vertigo back and causing chaos for the team. There's a lot of, a lot of trickery going on. Well, you think it's count vertigo, which speaks to this whole illusion of control. We get good old Simon back. Everybody's favorite psychic. Always a headache, you could say.
00:43:43
Speaker
Yeah. And I maybe I just hadn't picked up on it previously, but he clearly is now in a relationship with devastation. Like they're referring to each other as like baby and stuff like that. Yeah. Which is pretty funny. I could. Yeah, I couldn't help it. I just laugh so hard at that. Mm hmm.
00:44:10
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Yeah, well, I mean, it's nice to see like we kind of talked about with Icicle Jr. there. He appreciates the fact that his longstanding enemies have been able to stand the test of time on the flip side of thing. I guess it only stands to reason that if our enemies spend enough time together, they're probably going to form some relationships and it makes sense that the brain and the muscle complement each other so well. How cute.
00:44:37
Speaker
Yeah. Um, so I, I'm trying to remember what was the whole purpose of the illusion. Why, why did Simon want to pretend to be count vertigo? What was the purpose, purpose of all that?
00:44:59
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Uh, because they were trying to re-kidnap the kids that they rescued. Oh, right. Right. So it was a distraction that if Vertigo was after Queen Perdita, then the other metas would be exposed.
Media Manipulation and Public Heroics
00:45:14
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. They would go in and kidnap him again, but that makes sense. Okay. Yeah. And that's just kind of like now that Gar is such a vocal and kind of like in such a leadership position, it makes sense that they would want to, I got a loud vehicle going by.
00:45:30
Speaker
Yeah, as I was saying with Garfield being a more active like leader in a leadership position amongst the team and having like that gung ho tenacity for the fight, it makes sense that they would kind of target him and do something that throws him off mentally by by targeting Perdita. So
00:45:49
Speaker
makes sense. They were trying to have this field day with all the kids and everything and kind of get them comfortable and know that, you know, they're all friends that communicate and talk to each other and this and that. So they're, they're really out in the public.
00:46:04
Speaker
Yeah. And then we did have the return. We didn't bring it up, but there was that character, which I'm not too sure about the name choice for a character of Holocaust, but Holocaust was the one that was fighting Tara in the arena there initially. And then we get to kind of find out just how bad a dude he is and how he just does this.
00:46:30
Speaker
Does he say he's doing it for the money or? Probably. Yeah. Wasn't fun in the name. It was a very interesting character to choose to bring into this. Yeah, I got to wonder, even if the character was created like. I can't think of like in the Golden Age of comics, it would have went over all that well. And then even like with the show coming out in 2019, you think they would have like. Come up with a different name, but you know. Oh, my God, have you seen Star Wars Rebels?
00:47:01
Speaker
I have not. Not yet. Why do you bring it up, though? I'm not too. So I'm on the I'm on the IMDB of this episode and I scroll down to the the trivia and the character Henshi uses the face carabast after being struck by Perdita. This is an exclamation commonly used by Zeb Oreolos in Star Wars Rebels. Both characters are voiced by Steve Blum.
00:47:26
Speaker
Nice. That is awesome. That never clicked to me when I was watching it. Yeah, I bet it goes over a lot of people's heads, but it's definitely a nice little nod for anybody that's a fan of both series or just a big fan of Steve Blum. Oh, that's funny. I got to see if Haley caught on to that. Yeah.
00:47:49
Speaker
Any other big takeaways from this one? Is this the episode where Violet comes clean to Terra and Brion? I think it might be. No, I thought that was later. It might be later on. Yeah, no, that's later. That's actually two episodes from now.
Zatanna vs. Klarion and Violet's Guilt
00:48:17
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So we finished.
00:48:19
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Illusion of Control, we're done with First Impression, we got Early Warning, which was a really disturbing episode. I'm really happy that we got to see Zatanna again, but we also got to see Clarion again. Oh yeah, good old Clarion. And what he's doing with the Meadows was just disturbing, like molding them all together, and all of them were just screaming in unison, and it was just ugh.
00:48:50
Speaker
I did not like it. Now, anytime Clarion is back on the scene, it's it's one of those things I kind of do relish it. He's just such a he is always enjoying what he's doing so much and just gets broadcast so well with the character. I always really enjoy it and his little familiar there.
00:49:12
Speaker
Come on, Tickle. Let's see. You can see like that. There's detail in the face structure of the show that he's gotten older too, but he still has like such a boyish attitude.
00:49:28
Speaker
Well, he is the witch boy, so. I mean, he's perpetually and eternally young, but Zatanna has gotten more and more capable at dealing with him, and that was really nice to see even her when she like conjured the onc from like Dr. Fate. He's like, you can't use that. That's not yours. Just like how petulant he was there was was really great. I really love that stuff.
00:49:51
Speaker
And then he got stuck in the Tower of Fate. Yeah, that was a great gag. During the credits, we always have like a good bit of like, you know, wolf sleeping or, I love those finger or something. But this one is just, am I out now? Am I out? He's just stabbing, but he's like eternally trapped inside of the tower. He's getting so frightened. And then they catch, meow. Are we out now? Meow.
00:50:18
Speaker
Yeah, that might be my favorite in credits gag we've gotten in the whole show yet. Yeah, it was hilarious. Yeah, I really enjoy what they do with the end credits on that. And that one that one cracked me up.
00:50:29
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I guess on the other side of the things I did mention, you know, Violet kind of dealing with the the knowledge that she's burdened with with Gabrielle's previous actions and whatnot, but it puts her on a little bit of, you know, with the show being focused on teenage characters and whatnot, she gets the opportunity to
00:50:49
Speaker
show a little angst and whatnot. And the character of Harper Rowe that we brought up comes back and she drinks with her and shoots out on the beach, which gets her into a little bit of trouble with McGann. And we haven't really talked about McGann too much, but McGann continues to kind of serve that role that we saw Black Canary fill in previously, where she kind of gets to be that den mother. Yeah. So.
00:51:13
Speaker
I mean, Black Canary kind of got brought up too, uh, when they were talking about like the, the kids who were going to those, uh, meta facilities and how Black Canary was like available for any counseling. So it is nice to see, uh, again, step up into that role, but it's nice to see that there's still the constant of Black Canary fulfilling that role for the teenagers that are coming into the system. Um, but she talks to.
00:51:43
Speaker
Harper as well Yeah, she does she does yeah, that was another one we were talking about how there was a lot of Things that we're trying to make cultural norms that this show was addressed and that this section is addressed and that's another one where they had the therapy session and her like
00:52:09
Speaker
having to chip into Harper to tell her that her and her brother are being abused by their father and that this is happening and that they're scared of being in an orphanage. That was a rough scene. That was really well done and really powerful and they're doing a great job at just covering these social issues that are just unfortunately standard in our day-to-day lives.
00:52:32
Speaker
Yeah, that was some pretty heavy character development for Harper. Especially just, yeah, that whole, her conflict, the reason that she's hidden her father's abuse recovered for her father time and time again is because she doesn't want to get separated from her brother, but somebody brings up the fact that this time her brother's bruised as well because she wasn't there to protect him, which is just, again, I've said it earlier, but absolutely heartbreaking and I'm
00:53:00
Speaker
glad that they in a show like this that will have like younger eyes on it. It has a wide audience. We're watching it, but I'm sure there are people on the younger side as well. If there is anybody in that situation that, you know. Doesn't necessarily they feel trapped or something like that. I'm glad the show can show that there's always a an opportunity to to seek help or, you know. And we find out that a violets dying in this one.
00:53:26
Speaker
Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. So not only is she dealing with like the burden of the knowledge that she has about Gabrielle's previous actions. Yeah. Dr. Jace had previously taken one of her hairs from like a brush and finds that her cells are like rapidly decaying. She's getting sketchy.
00:53:48
Speaker
I am starting to have my, I remember initially I did in those first few episodes where she was in Markovia, especially like playing such an active role in making sure Breon got his powers. But now she seems to have chilled out and actually cares about like Violet and Breon's relationship and whatnot. And even Victor, to some extent, like she's voiced a lot of like wanting to help Victor, but you do kind of have to wonder
00:54:15
Speaker
Is that, is that the science scientist in her wanting to toy with something she's never had access to. She's doing some things that are a little bit shady and her like relationship with Jefferson was like so fast and they haven't even really focused on that at all lately. Yeah. One relationship though, that we haven't really mentioned at all and it's not really a relationship thing. I'm not sure how I feel about it yet is the whole will Harper and, uh, Artemis.
00:54:47
Speaker
Like there have been a lot of people nudging them like her mom. I don't know. Oh, was it the last episode where they were having like Thanksgiving dinner and like the mom was there and somebody mentioned something about being on the team and she's like, you're doing what now? And we, you know, we've since season one, we've had.
00:55:10
Speaker
scenes of Artemis' mom being just super upset because she doesn't want her to be in the same boat that her and Sportsmaster were. Right. So it's like, dude, do something better with your life. Like, why are you in it? It's like, look, like this man that you live with is in love with you. And it's like, no, that's not that. We're just taking care of the kid together. It's like, oh, please, we all see it.
00:55:35
Speaker
Yeah, well, the character of Leon, she's in a wheelchair and I thought it was kind of a nice acknowledgment when she talks about like what happened to her and she's like, look at your friend, Barbara. Like, yeah, the last time in season two that we saw Barbara, she was not wheelchair ridden and now she is. She was leading the team as Batgirl. Yeah, exactly. Alan stung a little bit. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Because she was she was Huntress, right? Artemis' mom?
00:56:03
Speaker
I think she's one of the versions of Huntress. Yeah, not the Helena. I want to say Belova, but that's I'm getting my Marvel stuff mixed up, but. Whatever Huntress's name is, I know her first name is Helena, but then there is, like I said, I think there are three versions of Huntress out there, but yeah. Bertinelli. Bertinelli. There it is. Well done. Well done.
00:56:28
Speaker
Uh, were there any, uh, I guess Ed, Eduardo officially joining the outsiders is worth mentioning. Yeah, that was a cool bit of, um, him saying that him just talking about the stuff isn't going to influence the kids. He actually needs to show that there's a way to control your powers and do good with it. So he's, he's doing it so that he can be a better role model. Yeah.
00:56:59
Speaker
Yeah, well, and speaking of role models, Artemis had the opportunity to train with Tara, Tara, whatever we're calling her. And we already kind of talked about her relationship with Deathstroke, but I really did appreciate those like training sequences where Tara was like reflecting back on Deathstroke's kind of
00:57:19
Speaker
cruel and unyielding training of her, which is Artemis is kind of the perfect person to talk her through that with her dad being Sportsmaster. I always kind of feel like in this show that Sportsmaster was like the poor man's deathstroke. But it's kind of funny how often they're like compete. It's like Deathstroke, Black Manta and Sportsmaster all like at one point in time vying vying to be like the quote unquote most badass in the young justice world.
00:57:49
Speaker
Yeah, because they were all the enforcers of the light. There we go. That's why. I knew there was a through line there. Watch out, Lady Shiva. Well, she's the newest one. Exactly.
00:58:04
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You see how much Artemis has learned from Black Canary and that too, and being like the training leader and then making her understand like why she's doing it. Because she sees that there is something, but she thinks it's because of the little fight club that she was put in. She obviously doesn't know about Deathstroke, but for her to be able to be like, hey, there is something deeper than this. We can get through it together, but let's just train, you know?
00:58:30
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Yeah, this is very, yeah, very evocative of those like in season one, those like sparring sequences with Superboy. Yeah. Black Canary. Good call.
00:58:40
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Yeah, love it. And the last thing that I have on this episode was, um, uh, the girl who's, who was forced to have her metaging shown with someone who can breathe underwater and swim and stuff. Uh, that's the awesome Indian girl that I'm excited to see more of later. But, um, you see that they don't, uh, you see that they don't have space in the facility, obviously to care for a water breather. So the next episode really leads into cauldron helping her out. Mm-hmm.
00:59:11
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And honestly, I kind of when you mentioned that there was another Indian character, I was like, I was like, I wonder who he's referring to. But yeah, it was kind of a funny thing. She was not able to speak for so long. And when she finally can, she's like underwater still. So yeah, he's flipping out. You speak Hindi or am I speaking English or what? I was like, we're just reading each other's minds. But the fact that they specifically said Hindi, you know, to establish, you know, her culture and whatnot was really cool. Made me happy. Yeah.
00:59:41
Speaker
Dope, dope. All right, yeah, I think that's everything I've got for, uh, that was episode 18. So we'll move on to episode 19 titled Elder Wisdom. And this one's kind of, um,
01:00:02
Speaker
leans back into the trappings of like our heroes actually being miners. Yeah. So not only are they facing opposition from Lex Luthor and his schemes, but three of our heroes, chiefly Eduardo Bart. Who else? Beast Boy. Is it Beast Boy? Oh, yeah, yeah. Because is it a
01:00:33
Speaker
Who's, I'm trying to think of who's, who's that woman that, uh, is like naysaying him in that instance. Is that, uh, cause it's Jay Garrick telling Bart Allen not to do it. And it's. Is it the themascarian you're thinking of? Is it? Troia. She was like on FaceTime with Diana when she got attacked. No, yes. No, I do recall that scene, but she's not, um,
01:01:03
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A mind-controlled metaphysic and a disguised Lady Shiva attempt to assassinate Troia, though she's able to stop them with the help of Ms. Martian, Halo, and Terra. In the plaza, the outsiders, now including El Dorado, fight the main group to save Garth and protect the other diplomats. Luthor calls in the Flash per UN guidelines to make the outsiders look bad.
01:01:27
Speaker
Hmm. Yeah. No, I remember that whole exchange, but the part I was trying to think of when basically it's the confrontation between like the young heroes and their parental figures, because it's like I was saying, it's Eduardo, senior with Eduardo, junior Jay Garrick with Bart Allen. And I'm trying to remember who. Oh, it was Dr. Jase. Was it Dr. Jase? Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't know why I flubbed on that, but okay. What was her reasoning?
Young Heroes vs. Authority Figures
01:01:59
Speaker
I think just that they were like public figures now. OK, OK. Yeah, I mean, Eduardo Sr. didn't really come as a surprise. It seems like he and Eddie are like constantly butting heads for one reason or another. Yeah. Jase definitely comes as a little bit of surprise, even though we've talked about maybe we're questioning some of her allegiances, but J. Oh, it was 13's mom. Oh, is that who it is? OK, I think it was 13's mom.
01:02:29
Speaker
Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Now I remember there being a mom in there. Okay. Yeah. But, uh, I mean, either way, the point still stands, uh, like, you know, I was pretty surprised that Jay Garrick being like a celebrated hero would do anything but encourage, uh, Bart. I think he's just at the point where he's just lost too many people.
01:02:59
Speaker
Yeah, I suppose so. I suppose so. They come around on in the end and. I guess the real through line there is that is the fact that these metahumans that have been kidnapped and whatnot, they. You know, they had families of their own, and that's that's kind of what the argument that they use to reaffirm and get themselves back in the fight, but.
01:03:28
Speaker
Cassie Sansmark. Oh, it's Wonder Girl's mother. That's who it is. Helena Sansmark. That's who it was. Yeah, she's a bespeckled brown haired woman, and she does kind of look like Helga Jace, but we've never seen her before. I think I've ever heard her last name before, because I'm looking it up. I'm reading Cassie Sansmark, and I was like, who's that? Oh, Wonder Girl.
01:03:52
Speaker
Yeah, okay, so it was Wonder Girl's mom, Eddie's dad, and Jay Garrick, yeah. So they're, you know, putting their foot down and saying you're, quote unquote, grounded. Then on the other side, you got Lex Luthor and his whole propaganda against the outsiders. So coming off of what we just talked about where Batman was able to
01:04:18
Speaker
get a good ground swell and nice public positivity going for the outsiders. Lex Luthor is pretty quick to respond to that and have an answer. But by the end of it, he actually
01:04:35
Speaker
Gordon Godfrey kind of claps back to him. It's kind of interesting to see like Gordon Godfrey always has like these like nice relationships and rapport with our villains. Like I think back on the reach when he's all chummy, chummy with the ambassador, the reach up until the end there. And this is, this kind of reminded me of that as well. And it actually didn't really give Granny goodness the time of day at all. He was kind of like on her from, from day one. Got to appreciate how unbiased he is.
01:04:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. There was one point in time where I was fully convinced he was a member of the light or a puppet of the light, but that doesn't sound to be the case these days. I do have the dialogue where Wonder Woman's trying to scold Batman again because she's getting fed up with all the behind the scenes stuff. But the line Batman says, this is a war Diana. Wonder Woman says, which side are we on? We're not simply hiding things anymore.
01:05:27
Speaker
gone beyond line to our comrades in the public and now we're staging false offense false events creating fake news merely to make our opponents look bad or the outsiders and by extension the rest of us look good even with the best intentions that's crossing a line you must see that you must and like this this friction of like every time this you know little i guess the dark as tim drake called it
01:05:56
Speaker
makes progress, like there's this budding of just kind of like they can't stand that they're doing it the way that they are, even if it means they're winning. And they got that that ethical conundrum that the light doesn't really seem to care about or have.
01:06:12
Speaker
Yeah, that seems to be the main thing that separates our heroes from our villains this season. Like the heroes, they've even like acknowledged it out loud. Like they've had to adopt some of the lights tactics in terms of like splitting up the team and just like it's everything that you're talking about that Diana kind of calls out in previous outings and whatnot. But I do have to say just hearing fake news like still makes me cringe a little bit, I have to say.
01:06:38
Speaker
Yeah, well, we'll move past that. Good call. Good call. I'm trying to think about what else is worth. We got the return of Ivo and his like monkeys and his androids and whatnot. So just always nice to get the through line there. Yeah. Thankfully, Superboy wasn't around for that. Yeah. And is this like the first time that we start to get that like the catchphrase, we are all outsiders? I think so.
01:07:04
Speaker
No, that was at the end of the Reach episode. Oh, OK. That was because it was a daughter that recorded for the first time. She was like live streaming the whole thing. Oh, OK. OK. But now it's a thing. Now it's an established thing in this episode. OK. But this is the one where one leg slipped. It was like, look, a young boy got hurt in the whole episode. It was Bart just going, I'm fine. Yeah, that was great. I guess somebody mentioned that he wasn't even on screen. He was like, yo, I have fast healing. That's the point.
01:07:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That was definitely worth calling out. That was great. We haven't gotten a ton of Bart this season, but he continues to be one of my favorites. Yeah. This is also the episode where Violet tells Brion.
01:07:48
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about what happened with Harper, and then he forgives them, her. Forgive my lack of pronouns. He forgives Gabrielle, but then she was like, Oh, well, Harlow are on this topic. Yeah, I kind of killed your parents too. And Tara was there as well for that conversation. Yeah, Brianna just kind of leaves.
01:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, rightfully so. I think he questions like how long she had known. So it's like, yeah, that coupled the fact that she had some level of culpability and the fact that she had that knowledge and kept it from him for so long, I think is what really hurts him. But he's a prince. He's used to getting his way. He has not always shown a lot of patience. So.
01:08:37
Speaker
It's tough stuff to deal with. I really feel for Halo. She's got a lot on her shoulders right now. Anything else to say about 19, Elder Wisdom? I think this is where Violet writes a letter and leaves too. She runs away. Yeah, I think you're right. That's it. All right. Well.
01:09:06
Speaker
Now we move over to quiet conversations where Superboy really does end up on the most interesting adventures. Yeah. Well, let's talk about it. Let's talk about Metron. Yeah.
01:09:23
Speaker
Cyborg is going psycho again. And it's funny because he's trying to keep his stress in check. And as soon as his dad Silas pops up, he flips out. Like just instantly, the virus was just kind of like, oh, yeah, this is a great opportunity. Just like slips in and causes chaos right away. And Dr. Jase is trying to be as helpful as she can. But he's like, I'm his father. I'll be the helpful one. It's like, why start now?
01:09:50
Speaker
Right. Yeah. But Superboy talks to Dreamer, who we saw in season one, and apparently they're not on good terms with. Is it with Metron? Oh, yeah, because he punched him or something. You know, right earlier episode or Bear punched him.
01:10:08
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Something
Superboy's Family Ties with Superman
01:10:09
Speaker
like that, yeah. So she was like, here's the mother box. You can go find him. And he tries to find, they try to find Metron. I think it's Superboy, Black Lightning, and one other. Let's see, Superboy, Jefferson, and Forager. Forager, okay. Yeah.
01:10:38
Speaker
Define Metron who created the father and mother boxes so he has the ability in his fancy chair to as they say exercise the father boxes spirit from Victor right and it turns out when he shows up. He's just super fascinated with the
01:11:00
Speaker
the science experiment part of it because he's never seen a father box like fully envelop a living being before. Yeah. And he's like, no, I'm just going to study this and watch him die.
01:11:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of, again, like alluding to the comics source material, DC and Marvel were constantly like copying each other and one upping each other and so on and so forth. But it is kind of funny, we always talked about with this show that Young Justice did at first. And even with like this character of Metron, it really did coming off of What If, it kind of gave me vibes of the watcher where
01:11:37
Speaker
where the Watcher at the end of the day, when it came down to saving the multiverse, he was willing to get involved and help the heroes and do what needed to be done. Whereas Metron is like this fully like detach from humanity and suffering. Like he just wants to observe and learn everything that that he can. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciated it. And getting to see the source wall, that was one of those things like I'm not
01:12:04
Speaker
super familiar with everything in Kirby's fourth wall, but I know enough about it to know that like the fourth wall is kind of like in the realm of DC, like that is kind of like the final barrier before you get into kind of like the stuff that exists outside of the DC multiverse. It's kind of like, if that makes sense, it's kind of like there. War Watcher references.
01:12:29
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. DC did it first, Young Justice did it first. Yeah, but it was nice to see Victor be able to get a hold on that because in those opening sequences where Silas, you know, it's understandable he's being a concerned father, but he's
01:12:49
Speaker
constantly just been coming out the wrong way and here he's still doing the same thing and just watching the virus that like techno virus spread across Victor and seeing him like lose parts of more and more of himself is like truly like affecting and like with those like weird spines like tendrils trying starting to emerge from his shoulders and whatnot just really makes him look that much more mantra. So I was really happy and relieved for him there at the end that he was able to get some level of control over it.
01:13:18
Speaker
Yeah, he needs to quit being so casual about a medically induced coma. Like, yeah, we're just going to put you down. No, that's not how you deliver that news. I totally forgot about the fact that they interacted with Superman and Superboy was just like, oh, hey, while you're here, can you be my best man? I was like, yeah, wait, what? And they're like, got to go. Oh, right. Yeah. Little bro getting married before the big bro. Yeah.
01:13:46
Speaker
Isn't Lois pregnant, though? Oh, is she? She might be. Wasn't she part of the babysitting episode? I don't recall that she was. Yeah, I thought she was one of the first people to knock on the door. Maybe.
01:14:07
Speaker
There were a lot of people there, but yeah, there's a lot of people in the show. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Well, speaking of people in the show outside of like all those adventures with Metron and New Genesis and the heroes we were discussing, we did talk about how Halo Violet Harper left her little notes.
Violet's Journey for Closure
01:14:27
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So we did get to see
01:14:28
Speaker
her go back to Karak or Bialio, Greater Bialia, I think is what they're calling it nowadays, and visit Gabriel's family. Yeah. That was a weird thing for her to have to explain. Yeah, right. And like, the father wasn't like accepting of is like, what are you talking about? Like, you're my kid, but the mother kind of has that point of just kind of like, you know what, we have closure of what happened now. Hmm.
01:14:55
Speaker
Which is, you know, yeah, it kind of speaks to how selfless a character she is. Like, yeah, like you said, that has to be insanely awkward, but just to be willing to go through something that uncomfortable to give that family a little bit of closure is is pretty heroic. So yeah, it seems like she's definitely. Learn some things along the way. Because it seems like, you know, Violet is actually going to die at some point, too, based off what we know. Mm hmm.
01:15:23
Speaker
Um, so for her to just be, have the opportunity to be like, Hey, I myself, I'm not going to be here much longer. I want you to know what happened to your daughter. Now, um, forgive me, my memory's a little fuzzy. I'm trying to remember what is it that brings her back into the fold? File it. Yeah.
01:15:46
Speaker
It was why she ran away because she knew that she was dying. So she told Breon she ran away from Titan's Tower and then decided to go to her family or Gabrielle's family to explain what happened. Okay. Yeah. I was trying to, at the end of this episode, is she still out doing her own thing or is she back with the
01:16:10
Speaker
She says bye to the family and then this is I think where we get the montage of Calder taking the meta back underwater right Tara is reporting to deathstroke and Yes, like anything to report. She was like no boring day. She smiled. So you see she's kind of like Enjoying the team's presence a little more Okay
01:16:36
Speaker
And I think this is the episode. Yeah, from what I'm saying, this is the episode that McGahn talked to Harper. So there was just kind of like. Like an emotional montage of what every character was doing afterwards, but we didn't see too much of what happened to Violet after she spoke to her.
01:16:50
Speaker
OK, the only thing I can see is in the description here, it says Jefferson and Helga are sitting together on the couch when Artemis, Tara and Violet arrive through a boom tube. And then Helga hugs Violet and Brion and Violet make eye contact. So I'm trying to remember, did Tara and Artemis go get her or did she? All right, Artemis and Tara arrive in the bioship to pick up Violet, Tara and Violet embrace.
01:17:19
Speaker
Because they probably went looking for her after they saw the note. Yeah. I mean, those are like her housemates, so it stands to reason that they would be the ones to or they were her housemates before they moved. They all moved into the tower. Oh, there was a scene where Tara tells everybody. There's like, oh, where's Violet? I think Artemis asked, like, where's Pie? Oh, that's right. Yeah. She disappeared.
01:17:44
Speaker
Yeah, because yeah, because she's the one that says like she and Breon didn't react very well, her especially. OK, so yeah, it's kind of like once Tara kind of like shows that she forgives her, it kind of creates the bridge for the potential for Breon and Violet to kind of reconcile. But now she does have that additional information that she is dying. So and I think this is the episode where Tara was with Artemis and they were with
01:18:15
Speaker
No, no, that was a different episode. Yeah. And I will just I will say to the to the listeners, I'll do my best to edit out some of these flubs and whatnot. But I do apologize if we're kind of like all over the place. This was a few episodes all to kind of tackle all at once. So like I said, we're kind of fast and furiously trying to get through this to get to season four. So I think we've like talked about certain plot lines like ahead and whatnot. Like as I'm reading the
01:18:42
Speaker
description here, we talked about Harper Rose interactions with Megan Morse. None of that actually happened until this episode, apparently. So yeah, which is one of the reasons it's called quiet conversations. You have that conversation with Harper and Megan Morse, Violet and Gabriel and her mother and her cousin, Superboy and Superman, Aquaman and Dolphin, and then Tara's inexplicable radio silence in regards to death stroke.
Tara's Loyalty Dilemma
01:19:08
Speaker
And here's the thing, I don't know what episode it is, but it is worth bringing up. It was a scene where Artemis, Tara, Violet, and Artemis's niece
01:19:24
Speaker
were like sitting in bed and there was a thunderstorm. And there was a point where the thunder kicked and Violet got scared. So Artemis was like, you take the kid, I'll take care of this kid, referring to Violet. And we got the flashback of like,
01:19:40
Speaker
what Tara's relationship with her parents was like, and like all three of them like sitting in bed together. So her having that moment of being comforted by Artemis and being able to be comforting, that's what led up to her sending the radio silence to Deathstroke. This was like the turning point between
01:19:59
Speaker
Her conversation with Artemis and then having this experience of like family with every, this is a close thing she's had to family since her parents died. Okay. And I think this is what's the turning point of her actually appreciating the team and wanting, considering turning on Deathstroke. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Cause
01:20:26
Speaker
Yeah, I'm trying to trying to remember Tara when she has like that, that final report with Deathstroke. She says like everything's been kind of dull and quiet, but then she then she
Character Analysis and Humor
01:20:35
Speaker
smiles. I don't know if that's like a good smile or a bad smile. It seems like a good smile for me. Yeah. Like she seems serene. Hopefully it's not aggression, good smile.
01:20:49
Speaker
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01:21:13
Speaker
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Metahuman Influence and Calder's Relationships
01:21:27
Speaker
OK, so yeah, on the subject of Gretchen Good, this is where we've talked about how Beast Boy has this knowledge that she's obviously no good and is her VR goggles or
01:21:40
Speaker
having a direct influence on hypnotizing potential metahumans and whatnot. But this is where we have Dick Grayson and Jefferson go directly after her, which is pretty short-lived. They get captured pretty quickly. So then it turns into a rescue mission in which we get to spend pretty much the most amount of time that we've got to spend with Calder this entire season. And we made the mention of his little
01:22:05
Speaker
kiss that he shared with his new lover, but this is the actual exploration of that relationship. And it never gets said out loud, but I guess it's just explained that Kaldor is bisexual. I mean, he's, I don't know if we've seen him be, well, he was in a relationship with Tila, right? He loved Tila. Yeah. Okay. So now he's got Tula, Tila, Tula, Tula.
01:22:29
Speaker
Nice tool. Yeah. What is Tila from? I don't know. Tila's from something. Anyway. Right. If you know, I don't know. Is it Futurama? I don't know. I think it is. Anyway. So, yeah, he's he's got this new lover wind. And when he's communicating with Oracle, she says that why is Oxford the universe? Sega.
01:22:58
Speaker
He loves for master of the universe. That's what it was. That's what it was. Masters of the universe. That's hilarious. Tula Tula. Yeah, but anyway, Aquaman wants to do this rescue mission solo, but his lover wind is pretty adamant that he's going to join him on the surface world there. Which kind of becomes like a.
Granny Goodness as a Villain
01:23:26
Speaker
I won't call it like a full on haunted house.
01:23:29
Speaker
But I did I did like getting to like just spend so much time with Granny Goodness. I kind of talked about how I knew about the character from comics and whatnot, but it was really just a knowing the beats of like what takes place and whatnot. So actually getting to see her do what she does and like you have that that name Granny Goodness and like that's what we're going to name like a fearful villain. Her name is Granny Goodness, but she totally does just like embrace embrace that whole like
01:23:58
Speaker
you've been disobedient so now you must be disciplined and now you must be punished and uh it is really good and i i found it pretty effective yeah she's one of those people i knew nothing about before young justice okay so Gretchen good she's a producer everybody loves her doesn't that like
01:24:21
Speaker
Okay, I bought into that. And I had the same response of like, she's tight with the sod and works for Dark Side and is apocalypt in and what none of that made any sense. But yeah, they do.
01:24:38
Speaker
They do a good job of portraying that but like when I saw the Snyder cut of Justice League and you see like all of them together and it's dark side to saw and then they're just grandma and armor I was like Who thought of that It wasn't even like a cover-up or anything like she didn't like pull back her face and actually look apocalyptic It's just this grandma that just decided to be a savage. Okay, hmm But one thing
01:25:04
Speaker
Totally forgot about if you have like a nice sound system, turn off the sub for anything that's overlord or mother box or boom to related because oh my God, does it make your house shake? Oh, they do not hold back on the door on all that.
01:25:24
Speaker
Oh yeah, the boom tubes are great. Yeah. Yeah. It just makes you jump, especially if headphones are dozing off or something. It makes you jump out of your seat. But I was laughing when you were explaining, because it's just so funny how they keep saying, oh my lord, the way that she does. And he looks like so badass and giant, but he's just like this little mini thing shown in a box.
01:25:47
Speaker
So it's like, hello, oh my lord, she's holding him like in his hands. He's sounding like so menacing and giant. So teeny. It just always cracks me up. I don't know why. Yeah, yeah. No, it threw me off, too, because the episode's called Unknown Factors. And it's like, yeah, this whole time she's calling on this like operator behind the scenes that seems to be able to, you know, move the walls and
01:26:18
Speaker
and just manipulate the house and whatnot. So I had a similar reaction when he just ends up fitting inside of this nice little box. And when Oracle had that moment where she took him out and the box just kind of like landed on the ground, I was just like, okay, what? What is that? What's happening there? So certainly when she popped it open, I did not see that coming. So pretty funny, like the entire time it does a super close up on his face and you get this feeling that he's this big,
01:26:45
Speaker
looming, unstoppable force and he fits in the palm of your hands. Pretty, pretty funny. Yeah, that that.
Ethical Questions of DNA Manipulation
01:26:52
Speaker
On the other side of things, we get some characters that we have not seen in quite some time. Karen made a little appearance at the baby shower or the gathering of all the loved ones there where Amistad got to make that quote that still sticks out to me. There's a baby in there.
01:27:14
Speaker
But this time we get Mal. I don't think we've seen Mal. If we have, he's just been in the background. He hasn't played any kind of active role, but they are traveling and her water breaks. So it goes from being a discussion about
01:27:31
Speaker
potentially manipulating the genetics of their unborn child to get the child they want to actually having to do it because their daughter's born with a hole in her heart. So Bumblebee does her thing, shrinks down, repairs the hole in the heart, but while she's down there, she did something completely unexpected for me and she actually alters her daughter's DNA.
01:27:56
Speaker
We've talked about like the whole through line of the season being outsiders. But within the opening graphic, you get the earth changing to apocalypse. But at the same time, there's a DNA strand there. And obviously, metahumans have been at the forefront of this series. But it makes me wonder how Karen's actions here, how they're going to contribute to the. The final episodes here, if it's going to be a solution or something that might potentially be weaponized.
01:28:25
Speaker
man, Matthew Fox at superhero ethics could have a whole episode just on this scene. Oh, sure. Sure. Man, it's a conversation about like, he could be a great pianist. He could be a genius. He could do this. Like our, our child could grow up with no problems at all. But like the fact that she actually acts on it and we could potentially find out the ramifications of something so big, like, Oh, yeah.
01:28:55
Speaker
It's it's very heavy, very heavy. When it comes to a newborn. Mm hmm. Oh. That was a lot to unravel. Yeah, I mean, I won't pretend to know what it's like to be a mother that's just given birth, but I really felt for Karen, we know when they're they're celebrating the birth of their daughter, they didn't know what the gender was going to be. And then they get the revelation that it's their daughter. And then very quickly, they don't even get to hold her and she's being rushed away and they know something's wrong like.
01:29:26
Speaker
I think that really motivated her in that moment. She could do anything to protect her daughter and make her daughter's life better. She was going to do it. Again, I don't know if it was her. For her to have just given birth and then have to go straight to a mission. Oh, yeah. Dude, she must have been exhausted.
01:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, they harp on that a lot. And it's kind of a soy, excuse me, a source of comic relief where the nurse is like, I always take the baby out of the mother, but I've never put the mother. Yeah, some good dialogue. Yeah, yeah.
Comedic Moments and Violet's Powers
01:30:04
Speaker
On the subject of comic relief, though, I do have to acknowledge the fact that Beast Boy
01:30:12
Speaker
had a little run in with Condiment King, which Geo Forest definitely gets a kick out of. I love that little nod there. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. I'm trying to think. So we covered the rescue of Jefferson and Dick from Granny Goodness. And then we had Mal and Karen.
01:30:40
Speaker
Uh, what was, what were the rest of the team? Wait for which team? Just the rest of our various, uh, members. So we just talked about geo force. Oh, violet. And, uh, cyborg came to rescue.
01:30:59
Speaker
Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's correct. Yeah, because they're like internal mother boxes started like triggering and they were the ones who because when nightwing and lightweight nightwing and lightning were rescued by Calder, they were under brain control too. So they started fighting their friends. Yes, but there was like an instinct that clicked to
01:31:25
Speaker
Victor and Violet, and that's when they showed up to the scene. They cleaned out Dick and Jefferson's brains. And then that's when Granny experienced Violet for the first time and reaches out to Darkseid to say that she found the anti-life equation inside Halo.
01:31:46
Speaker
Yeah, because she recognized the power of the old gods. Yeah, because the language, too, because we've seen her like put that, you know, that spell dialogue that Dr. Fate and Tatana and like all the the wizard, all the sorcerers use. We've mentioned that, too, the fact that she uses that dialogue from time to time, but the fact that it's actually being recognized to this extent now. Mm hmm.
01:32:16
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. I'm glad you brought that up because it also does make me think of Violet's relationship with Brion. There are the opportunities where Helga kind of instructs Brion about how to, you know, receive her a little more openly, which actually ends up working out. But we've echo we've we've voiced these suspicions about her
Helga's Plan and Teamwork with Wind
01:32:45
Speaker
Helga, Dr. Jace's ultimate allegiances here in this is where she sends a text to an unknown third party at this point in time, but she says she needs to get her kids out. And that they say arrangements are basically being made, so. She certainly has something else going on. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Dr. Jace's contact is revealed to be the ultra humanite. Who is that again? Ultra humanite.
01:33:17
Speaker
Oh, okay. Yeah. That was the guy that looked like, uh, Gorilla Grodd. Ah, yeah. It's not Gorilla Grodd, but he looks like Gorilla Grodd. Right. Okay. Let's use a gorilla with the exposed brain. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:37
Speaker
She's been shady for a while now. I'm glad they didn't make us wait too much longer for that. I did want to make mention with Kaldor and Wind in their flirtations and stuff like that and talking about how they can protect each other.
01:33:52
Speaker
Uh, when gets like the kind of dig where he's like, you know, I went to the same military training you did, and I also didn't drop out of my sorcery. So then there's that moment where they do exit, like the protective cube and go out into the expat and they're being subjected to like the same apocalyptic, like dark side energy. Um, he gets to use, when he gets to use his magic and to kind of repel a little bit and he tells Calder, you know, that the magic helps a little bit. So nice to.
01:34:21
Speaker
to see that through line brought up from all the way back in season one, right? When we saw Mera running the school. Yeah. Oh my God. We saw the Aquaman. The Aquaman? The King of Atlantis. In this episode? Yeah. When?
01:34:46
Speaker
when he reaches Atlantis to drop off dolphin, he goes, finds wind, and then they both approach Aquaman. And then Aquaman actually has the dialogue of like, I needed to take care of the kingdom and being a full time job.
Aquaman's Dual Roles
01:35:02
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That wasn't this episode. This was one of the previous episodes. But yes, yes, I thought you were talking about in this episode. Yeah, I do recall that. Yeah, we got to see
01:35:10
Speaker
No. And that's when they called him King. They didn't call him Arthur. That's when they called him King Orem or something like that. It wasn't King Orem because Orem is his brother, but it was something within. I thought Oren was his brother. Oren. No, Orem is the ocean master. So I think he is Oren. I think you're right. It's Oren. Jesus Christ. Sorry. Go back and forth. Orem is definitely the ocean master. I know that for me. I could have sworn this was the episode that he ran into him, though.
01:35:39
Speaker
I don't think so because this one kind of picks up with like dolphin already being like actively in the proceedings and it's like I think it picks up right there where wind is like dolphin was a good name for her because like dolphins are like the healing creatures or something to that effect. I'm pretty confident about that. I think we saw Aquaman in a previous episode. I don't think it was this episode.
01:36:03
Speaker
Cause like, as soon as you see Aquaman, he has that brief exchange and then Oracle's basically contacting him. I could be wrong. Oh, let's see. I did like the fact that they were committed to saving the mother box as well.
Heroes' Decisions and Atlantis References
01:36:26
Speaker
It was kind of like, they almost got out of there. Like Granny seemed like she was going to, you know,
01:36:33
Speaker
pulled up her into the bargain. It's like you can, if you step outside of this cube, you're welcome to get them. I mean, they were brainwashed. So obviously had, she had a trick up her sleeve, but, um, she doesn't want to let the mother box go so much that she's willing to, to kill it. And, uh, our heroes won't allow that. And they actually have another mother box in their possession. So curious to see how that pays off. It's called Poseidoness instead of Atlantis.
01:37:03
Speaker
I think it's like the Seven Kingdoms of Atlantis. And that might be one of those reasons we speculated about why Kaldor was serving as Aquaman. And obviously what you said, he could not unite the Seven Kingdoms and serve as Aquaman and King at the same time. But I think we saw that in the movie, like you had Dolph Lundgren's character was like the leader of, I think it might've been Poseidonus.
01:37:30
Speaker
And then he got called when he was in Shairus. Wow, they really got like. Deep with the word in this. Yeah. But they do. Huh? So fascinated right now. Hmm.
01:37:55
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. It is Orrin. His wife is Mira, his brother is Orm, and his son is Arthur. Okay. Oh, apparently this episode had a post credit scene. Yeah, that was when he, or when Granny told Darkseid that she'd come in. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ah, yes, yes, okay. Yes, yes. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
01:38:26
Speaker
Yeah. So I guess like the major. This was a lot. Yeah, it was. It was. And yeah, thanks for everybody like bearing with us and being patient with our with our coverage here. But just to kind of put a cap on it, I guess like the major through lines going forward.
01:38:42
Speaker
Here are, we have Karen's actions and whether or not she ethically manipulated her daughter's genes, what kind of ramification that's going to have on the heroes and villains going forward.
01:38:58
Speaker
Obviously, Granny reporting to Darkseid that she has the anti-life equation. For those of you that don't know anything about Darkseid, that's basically his whole deal. He is looking for the anti-life equation that is his end goal, that is his infinity gauntlet. That's what he's all about.
01:39:18
Speaker
And then, yeah, with with Dr. Jace, her contacting somebody to take care of, Violet and Breon. And I guess Terra would probably be included. But well, and then there's another thing there, too. Terra with Deathstroke. I want to see how all these things pay off. It's a 26 episode season, so we've got five to go. Cool. And then we can dive into season four, Phantoms.
01:39:49
Speaker
I'm hoping hoping hoping hoping hoping hoping hoping time permitting we can cover all the episodes up until now and then hopefully do like a weekly thing so that the we're a little shorter and straight to the point and you know sharing our shock on each thing
Excitement for Future Content and Discussions
01:40:09
Speaker
I think that's entirely reasonable. It'll be nice to be actually covering the season. And both of us won't know what's happening. I'm starting to remember things as we go, but we'll both be blind to it.
01:40:19
Speaker
For sure, for sure, yeah. And it'll be nice to- DJ and Andrew and all you wonderful listeners who've been writing in, like thank you so much for, I know there's a lot of people who like never even heard of this show until we started talking about it, so like- For sure, for sure. And then yeah, it'll just be nice to be able to tackle like fewer amounts of episodes at a time and really get into the nitty gritty details. Cause as great as this has been, I do feel a little bad for having to like gloss over certain things. Like we had the best laid plans when we first started making this podcast and
01:40:46
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focusing on Young Justice. And I will take full responsibility. That's on me. As the show's been going on, I've been excited to cover a lot of different things. But it's my first podcast that I've actually led and everything like that. So I appreciate everybody's patience and learning and growing with me. But we want to bring you the best content available. And Young Justice is some of the best stuff. So thanks for being along for the ride.
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Do you hear anything else you want to say before we get out of here? I'm really tired.
01:41:23
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Yeah, I can't. I've been waiting two years for season four. But I don't want to get ahead to it because I want to make sure that these parts are given the justice it deserves. So I'm very excited to just be caught up and just go back to loving and geeking the show on a weekly basis. Yeah. That's all.
01:41:46
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Yeah, right on. It's a good note to end on. All right, so stay well, everybody. I guess if we just want to like tease some things, I know you're very, very excited about the light year trailer teaser trailer that just got dropped. So we'll probably do some kind of reaction to that.
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My Heroes in Theaters this weekend, this Thursday, October 28th as we're recording this. My Heroes in Theaters this weekend, third movie, non-canon from my understanding. First one was awesome, second one was pretty good. I like going to the theater and I like My Heroes, so I'm just excited.
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Yeah, we haven't covered it officially on the show, but My Hero Academia has quickly become one of my favorite animes in a short amount of time. So when the time comes, we will certainly give it some attention. But yeah, check that movie out. Do you have the title? Is it like something missions or no hero missions or something like that? Standby. Yeah. OK. My Hero Academia, World Heroes Mission.
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All right, I had some of the words. So scrambled them. All right, everybody suits looks so cool. Yeah, yeah. That's one of it's one of the nice things about that shows the evolution of the of the costumes and the powers and just watching these heroes grow into their own, much like in justice.
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Oh, that was another thing I wanted to say is I feel like this world happening in Young Justice is like 50 years before My Hero. Oh, cool. Yeah. Especially with like the genetic manipulation stuff. Like I think that's what's leading to the whole world being met as Karen's actions gave birth to the world of My Hero Academia. I like it. Yep. All for one is coming soon. That's scary. That's scary.
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Okay. I think that'll do it for us here today, so thank you everybody for tuning in. That's T-O-O-N-I-N. Stay whelmed. Boom.
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