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Invincible Episode 7
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We need to talk about Amazon's Invincible penultimate episode for the season! Episode 7 appropriately titled WE NEED TO TALK.
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Exploring Mississippi and Podcast Introduction
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You're invited to explore cypress swamps and magical gardens and float along the rushing waters of an old-fashioned swimming hole. Plan your journey at visitmississippi.org slash outdoor adventure. Mississippi. Wanderers welcome. On this edition of Animation Deliberation, we're back to cover episode seven of Amazon Prime's Invincible, We Need to Talk. So you could say, we need to talk about, we need to talk. All that right after this.
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How does that song go again? Alright. It's animation, deliberation, conversation, and a celebration of a favorite action animated series. Yeah. Yeah.
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Alright, well we are back folks and it's another exciting installment of Invincible and we're excited to dive right into it. So I'm your host Jay Scottie St. Clair and joining him again is the man that you just heard sing that beautiful song. Zuhair Ali, what's up buddy?
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Hello, the coffee's kicking in and the jitters are ready to record. Cool,
Listener Engagement and Incentives
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cool. And back with us is Mr. Nathaniel Muzzy. How you doing, buddy? Doing great. Once again, just happy to be talking about this series with you guys. Another great one. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. We are excited to dive right into it. But before we do that, we do have another five star review. Is your hair what you got?
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That we do, as usual, always appreciate the feedback. This one is from its.just.k. I'm new to the animated shows, and I'm so happy for this show. J. Scottie and Zoo are so knowledgeable, down to Earth and funny. Makes it such a fun and easy list regardless of your level of history with the character or comics. Just finished season one of Young Justice and can't wait to start season two, but I'm forcing myself to take a break and catch up on Invincible so I can get up to date with this awesome podcast. Keep up the great work, guys.
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Awesome, awesome. I believe that was Jess Kami. So awesome to have her listen and support us.
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Yeah, we really appreciate that feedback. And with that five-star review in mind, we do have a great opportunity for everybody listening there. If you will leave us a five-star review, we've actually leaned into our partnership with the network that we're a part of, the Stranded Panda Network, and we're doing a t-shirt giveaway. So all the reviews that we receive in the next week will go into a drawing,
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And the winner will be announced soon. So if you want to get a shirt, it's going to be one of the Stranded Panda shirts. Or if
Omni-Man's Actions and Episode Tension
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you're familiar with the MCU podcast, they've been generous enough to offer one of the shirts where you get Matt Carroll as Star-Lord with Jeff Randall as Drax. So definitely a nice little keepsake there.
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With that housekeeping out of the way, gentlemen, we need to talk, am I right? Absolutely. Yes, me too. Yeah, just right off the bat for me, this episode in terms of shock and awe and the level of action we got and the way it was depicted took me right back to episode one. You know, Omni Man just completely wrecks shop, the majority of the episode.
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The show is called Invincible, but we really did not get to spend that much time with the title character just because so many things had to happen in this episode. Here's your spoiler warning, but do you guys just want to give your overall thoughts and feel free to spoil. Go for it.
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I mean real quick, I just want to say that it was great how it started off with a lot of the verbal tension. We see the tension between Amber and Mark, we see the tension between Nominee Mann and Debbie, how Cecil is kind of looking at everything, and there was a lot of the, what's gonna happen, what's gonna happen, what's gonna happen.
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and it was a good build up for a little more than half the episode and then all that all that soda can shaking exploded towards the end because everything just went wild with the robot storyline and omni man storyline simultaneously and it did a really good job of just kind of like building up that tension and just like you sitting there with your jaw dropped for the last 20 minutes yeah agreed
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Yeah, I felt 100% the same way. You know,
Character Development: Robot and Rex
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it brought together a lot of threads that we've been seeing throughout the other episodes. And then though, when those things came together, it was just like,
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a mix of explosive chemicals it was just action at the end which was super fun super well put together and uh really sets the stage for a very like interesting and i'm gonna guess heartbreaking last episode for the season yeah it's wild thinking there's only one episode left yeah it hurts my heart
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Yeah, it really has been just such a blast to look forward to the show every Friday, and it really has done a great job of
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It's a show called Invincible, but in a short amount of time, we're only seven episodes in. I've talked about how we've gotten a really keen understanding for how this world functions and how pretty much anything is possible, but the show has also done such an excellent job of endearing us to so many characters outside of the title character.
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And, you know, Chief Among Those is, you mentioned Robot. He definitely got some significant development this episode. Yeah, right? I mean, you guys called it on the affection towards Monster Girl. I thought it was more of like a friendship type thing, but nah, he's digging her.
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Yeah, still creepy though, right? I know she's like 27 or something and he says he's 30. So I guess it's not creepy, but it's still creepy, right? I'm a 30-year-old genius and I'm a teenager's body. This was the first episode where I was like, you know what? Rex Bloat is right.
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I love Jason Menzuka's acting a lot, and he just nailed it in the way he was flipping out over. It's like, why the fuck did you pick childhood me? Just how much he over-exaggerates everything. It's so, so good. I needed more of his dialogue and him just freaking out over it, because he had every right to do so, but he just nailed that role so perfectly.
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Yeah, I like that line that you were bringing up, Muzzy. What was it? You're ruining my childhood, and that's pretty tough because it was already ruined. Yeah. Jason Manzoukas was incredible. And like you said, Rex has been such a prickly character, but he's always been one of the most entertaining any time he's on screen. And even when it's just goofy stuff like when they bring out the booze and it's all in milk cartons.
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He tells Monster Girl, he's like, do you know me at all? They're filled with beer. The other two are just like, yeah, you should have seen how much milk he wasted. Like,
Omni-Man's Challenges and Betrayal
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why couldn't you have been that productive in training? Right, right.
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Yeah that character is growing on me like the first couple episodes and he's supposed to be an asshole but I was like yeah he's an asshole so like I you know less is more with that character but like
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Jason manzuca is really like he's so funny and like yeah, it's just won me over You can't not love anything. He's in Yeah, yeah, he's definitely curated a nice body of work for himself in a relatively short amount of time the first time I was exposed to him was in the league on FX, but that's Okay, cool. Yeah, that's all it was parks and rec for me. Okay, okay
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But you mentioned him being an asshole and how we're kind of like getting to, I guess, appreciate him a little bit more for lack of a better word. But in the same, like on the other side of the coin, as we were wondering, you know, robot, is he a creeper or what? But the other aspect of his personality is that he's a little bit of an asshole as well because he just straight up betrays the maulers, right?
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Yes. Yeah, like the impression I'm getting from Robot is he's like the least trustworthy person in the whole series. And that includes Omni Man who murdered the original Guardians of the Globe.
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Yeah, well, you get the reaction from Rex, which is obviously pretty animated like that, but none of the Guardians are cool with it. I mean, Samson says you didn't even ask permission, which is kind of a nice, it's kind of like as we the audience are becoming more sympathetic with Rex, Samson is as well. And then,
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Monster girl had the nice exchange with I won't I guess nice is kind of a bad way to put it but it was an interesting exchange in which she's like, you know, I get my head beat beat in by a Alien cat and I'm in a coma for weeks. Same thing happens to you and you get your powers back And she also had the dialogue of like, yeah, I'm gonna need to think on this a little bit But then starts like holding his hand too. So it's like oh, yeah She understands
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how it's like morally wrong for what he did, but at the same time she's trying to like hide her flattery of like how much she appreciates that that happened.
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Mm-hmm. And I did like how during that whole scene when like Rex was kind of blowing up on them, the way they framed the shot is like Rex wasn't even, his body was just kind of in the way and she was just like peeking out from behind him. And you could see like it was the first time I kind of noticed how green her eyes were and then it made me notice that the body that
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Rudy made for himself actually had green eyes, whereas the original Rexplode has more of brown or amber eyes. Oh, interesting. Yeah. That might just be a small detail. I don't know if it's going to have any significance, but I have to imagine he was somewhat inspired by
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monster girl. I mean, this whole endeavor has been inspired by her. So yeah, it's so freaky how she was like, yeah, use you tend to find Rex more attractive. That's why I picked his body. I'm like, creepy. Yeah, that's, you know, it comes to me, maybe untrustworthy isn't the right way to describe robot.
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But, uh, what I would say is he seems to believe that the ends justify the means and he's willing to cross any boundary to, to reach an ends. And I think that makes him very dangerous. Yes, I agree. Yeah. It makes me wonder what executive calls is he going to make in the future? What information is he going to compartmentalize for the greater good? Because yeah, he, he clearly thinks that he,
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is the smartest person in the room. And a lot of times he has been. But does that make him the end all be all? And is he a good judge? Well, that's the question. How far is he from being DA Sinclair? Good point. Yeah, it definitely made me think of him. And then we got the return of him, which was surprising given what happened to him last episode. I was kind of surprised. But I guess we have talked about the advanced medical capabilities in this world.
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but they did use his, there's a name for him as well and I, was it Reanimate or something like that? Reanimate. Yeah. So his Reanimates were attacking Omni Man. There was, when I first saw them, I actually thought that they were like chimp versions of the Reanimates. Yeah, but they're dead soldiers.
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Yeah, pretty twisted. Yeah. I mean, I cringed just seeing them again. When they came out of those pods, I was like, Oh, no, I don't want to look at that again. And there's like soldiers who aren't done, like fighting for their country or whatever. And I was like, I don't know how I feel about that. Like, there's still, there's still robo zombies. Yeah. Oh, there's just something viscerally gross and wrong about it. Like, and like.
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It seems like a lot like Robot, Cecil is, uh, and justifies the means kind of guy. Sure, sure. Yeah, I definitely got Nick Fury vibes and the fact that DA Sinclair was sitting right there and being allowed to have any level of freedom given what he subjected these people to. I mean, we did get that scene with William and Mark where he was worried about Rick, you know, the first guy he actually hit it off with and something terrible like this happens.
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He's really concerned. Like, is he ever going to be himself again? Yeah. That's the easiest paycheck Ezra Miller's ever done. Just has to go onto a shoulder. That's pretty funny. Yeah. I like that Cecil was actually like, I can't even look at your face. Like, I hate that I have to work with you right now, but this is how serious the situation is. Right. Right. Yeah. It gave him a little bit
Amber's Decision and Mark's Flaws
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of a redeeming quality.
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And I will say just on the character of Cecil, I gave Walton Goggins a little flak on our initial coverage, but he's really grown on me, and especially kind of the context that we're given about how he's been operating this entire time. We've known that he's had a lot on his plate in terms of the information that he's got, but the restraint that he's chosen to show, and he tells Nolan,
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I'm a really good liar, but you're even better. And just the betrayal that he feels, and you know, Debbie talks about how hurt she is, and they actually have a moment where like they relate. Like he actually considered Omni-Man a friend at one point in time, which is pretty sad. Speaking of a lot on this plate, rest in peace, Donald Ferguson. Yeah, yeah. That was a badass way to go with little reward.
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Yeah, it was a noble end for the character, but it kind of reminds me of Muzzy. You'll appreciate this given your recent binger's run with Kong Skull Island. You had that one guy sacrifice himself trying to take out the Queen's Skullcrawler. Oh, yeah. And the tail just whips him into the side of the mountain and explodes. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely similar vibes there. But the character had kind of shown himself to be
00:15:35
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What's the word I'm looking for? His interactions with Damien, Darkblood, and whatnot, he seemed a little squeamish and not fully up to the task, but I'm glad he was actually able to be given somewhat of a noble end.
00:15:49
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Yeah, I love that character for no good reason. I mean, it just, it further solidifies how ruthless Nolan has become. And I have to give credit to JK Simmons. We've talked about some of the other voice actors and whatnot, but he really does such an excellent job of just delivering the detached nature of this character. Like he really seems,
00:16:16
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baffled by the fact that Debbie doesn't have full trust in him. We were talking about trust earlier and that's definitely a theme of this series and this episode especially.
00:16:27
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So do you guys have any thoughts on why Nolan did it? Because I'm becoming more convinced that there's a Viltromite invasion coming. And like he was supposed to clear the way because he says, uh, it'll work out for him and Debbie and Mark, but he doesn't say everyone. And so there's almost, yeah, there's almost a level of concern there.
00:16:53
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like listen to me so that we can be okay because I actually do care about you guys. And then there was another, I think it might've been when he was giving his little practice speech to what he was gonna say to Mark, when he says he killed the guardians, but that he had to, it was like his responsibility. I think that's the first time we've heard that.
00:17:17
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Well, and there's a moment when he, uh, is it the flaxels, flaxons that, uh, that invade, and he goes into their dimension. There's a moment where he says, you need to understand that earth is not yours to conquer. That's right. And I think there might be a double meaning to that.
00:17:42
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he seems to have genuine emotion like despite how shitty he is to everyone like I kinda feel for Nolan and that's like all the credit in the world to J.K. Simmons. Yeah. Yeah. Well I guess a character that we haven't really highlighted too much and they were given limited screen time in addition to you know Mark himself being given limited screen time is one of I think one of the characters that we've all
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you know, said at one point in time is one of our favorites. And that's Adam Eve. So she's, she's still doing her thing in terms of, you know, she's got this tree house. She's still decided to dedicate herself to
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saving lives and improving areas and people that are usually not given the focus of these superheroes. It's really interesting to see how far she's come in this new role and how that
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kind of puts her in opposition to some of the things Mark is saying. And for me, this is kind of the second episode in a row that I found Mark to be one of the more unlikable characters in the show. Do you guys agree with that at all?
00:18:59
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Yeah, I think Mark is kind of, Mark is very much being a high school boy and like just not getting it, not understanding that like, hey, just because you're a superhero, that doesn't give you a free pass to hurt people.
00:19:18
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in the show's defense they address that you know William tells him that and then Eve tells him that and Amber tells him that and like yeah, I think like
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that's maybe you know where he's gonna have to grow or like where he'll final finally learn that lesson is that's what his dad does his dad puts the emotional health of other people and the physical health obviously uh as a second tier to him doing what he thinks is heroic
00:19:54
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And I think maybe what we're going to get is that's where Mark breaks. Mark has learned his lesson that there are things that are more important than being a superhero. Yeah, he talks about getting everything that he wanted and basically throwing it all away. And that's what kind of puts him at rock bottom.
00:20:19
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And that's kind of what makes him be able to relate to Eve at all in the first place. And it just kind of goes to show his privilege. We saw it really showcased in that episode with Machine Head and Titan.
00:20:33
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But yeah, yeah, I definitely agree. He's very much a teenage boy, and Invincible is such an appropriate name, not just given his power set, but kind of the way that he sees himself and the way that so many teenagers do. So it is nice to get some of that teenage angst and those lessons that have to be learned. And it's not all resolved in one episode. It's a character journey that he has to go on.
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But I'm super glad that he has, you know, strong, not just strong characters, but strong female characters, not only Eve, but also his mom to kind of, you know, set him on the right course, especially when he's got.
00:21:16
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a dad like Omni man. Yeah. Well, and Amber, Amber did him a favor by dumping him, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, I think at some point in time, everyone's had to have tough love. And like, that's what Amber gave him is like, Hey, yeah, I knew who you were. And it sucked that you lied to me about it.
00:21:42
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Yeah, yeah. I really appreciated that as well because especially in the last episode, as much as I loved it, having only the information that we had at that episode, I was a little disappointed in the fact that William was able to recognize Mark, but that Amber wasn't able to put two and two together. Like, hey, this guy just ran off and then Invincible showed up. But so it just made everything work better in retrospect, the fact that she knew all the time
00:22:11
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And that was adding to what made her so upset. And it makes her more sympathetic because had she just gotten upset, again, she's a character that would be very easy to make unlikable, but I'm glad that they're giving her the proper nuance and giving her justice and making her...
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Her her gripes, you know her grievances are Legitimate well-founded. Yeah, well-founded. Yeah legitimate. That's
Nolan's Confrontation and Omni-Man's Strength
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a good work for it You're talking about will recognizing him reminded me of one of my favorite lines from from this episode That is dad's Omni man, he goes. Yeah, how did I never see that before? Yeah
00:22:50
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William got some of the best scenes in this episode. That exchange was really great. I loved his analogy of the samurai warrior that had already been cut in half and didn't realize it, and then he proceeds to eat the bottom half of the burger anyway. Yeah, like, I'm quickly growing fond of William, and if they kill him, I'm gonna be upset. Ooh, I hadn't even thought about that. I don't think they'll kill him this season. Yeah. Fingers crossed. Oh, man.
00:23:19
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I like how he knows that it's Omni Man, but he goes, oh my god, Omni Man, I mean, Mr. Grayson, like, no, it was supposed to be the other way around. Yeah. And just that whole interaction of him approaching him and just going like, so, where's my son? It's like, oh, he's not here.
00:23:40
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where is he where's his phone and this happened it's like oh we got attacked and it's like i don't care that you guys got attacked i have to jump in a little bit like omni man comes out of the gate like angry like he just said like in the way they animate the expression on his face the entire time like i was pretty scared for williams like where's mark and i'm like why is he coming at william like this is he not worried about you know jeopardizing his appearance and it's like you were supposed to bring him
00:24:06
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home an hour ago so I really have to wonder like what Williams in that moment what what he was actually thinking because I think he was one of the people it kind of like flashed around at the end there I mean we'll get to it in further detail here but Immortals back in the picture and so obviously the
00:24:26
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show ended with uh omni man killing him again but this time in front of quite a few people and i want to say william might have been one of the people that saw that happen yeah i'm pretty sure they showed him on his phone in the car watching okay cool not to defend omni man but he had just been blown up yeah he makes a comment about that too he's like you were recently on fire right that's right
00:24:52
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i forgot about that you're right yeah that's that's definitely adding to his irritability there and then after being blown up dude that hammer was awesome oh it was cool yeah he was like you he's like don't you dare
00:25:09
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Whoa, you see like birds falling out of the sky and like, I mean, I felt really bad for like the farmlands and everything. Not only had he just worked on that, but that's like people's properties and lives and all that at stake. And he's just like, oh, it was like $400 billion project. That's the most expensive nosebleed in history. Yeah. Yeah. All that for a nosebleed man. Yeah. Should we recount what they throw at Omni man in this episode?
00:25:37
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Because it is kind of impressive, like everything. So it started with the stealth soldiers, and then the house blowing up. Yeah. And then it was the hammer. Well, we got the reanimates before that, right? Were they before or after the hammer? No, Cecil came after the hammer, I believe. OK, so the reanimate were before the hammer?
00:26:06
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Either way, both the Hammer and the Reanimate, then Cecil, then the Hail Mary. And then finally the Immortal shows up.
00:26:26
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You know, it's like it like they, they go out of their way to show you how strong Omni man is. Yeah. Uh, yeah. He really goes through quite a gauntlet and, uh, that hail Mary.
00:26:41
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Just to describe the creature a little bit, because I thought it was a wonderful creature design. I don't know if that was pulled right out of the comic or not. That's not something I've learned. Oh, the teeth. Yeah, it was super cool. Very Lovecraftian. I got Cthulhu vibes. But it's basically like a quadruped creature, not unlike a giraffe or something like that. But it basically just opens up into a big tentacle head. But when the tentacles fully rise, you find this almost rabbit rodent
00:27:12
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buck-like teeth structure that opens more into like a sarlacc pit throat so just a lot of stuff and it's got all the diamonds going across its back so just a lot going on but the action was super well well done even with all the tentacles going on everywhere I was like it all it all made sense and just super well done and a lot of fun to watch
00:27:35
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I did take note that Mark is the one that kills it by himself. Yes. Yes. Correct. Which at that point in time, Nolan's locked in battle with a mortal. So I wonder if I've always wondered why Mark isn't as strong as his dad and it might just be immaturity, but maybe he's not like tapping into his full potential either.
00:28:01
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Yeah, I'm curious like like our is this a saying sort of thing Well, I think it's the near-death experiences that have made him a little better now He's not as cocky as he was when we first saw him
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Adam Eve's Growth vs. Mark's Ego
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Well, we've seen it a couple of times and I think the last time we saw it was back in that Machine Head episode, but I know in episode two when Adam Yves was about to be taken out by the Flax on General, he does that, you know, scream and it is kind of, it is very reminiscent of a Saiyan just having this energy pulse emanate from within. And then again, he did it with Machine Head's mercenaries, but
00:29:38
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Thankfully, the screams kept within a couple of seconds and not five episodes. What's that not? I said, thankfully, the scream stayed within a couple of seconds and not five episodes. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. For a second there, I thought that was a Snyder cut gig. But then I realized you're going back to DBZ. Oh, no, that fits too.
00:30:05
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While we're talking about the Hail Mary, the Leviathan creature, but then also the big threat during that entire battle, well, only for Ami, man, because he's not a threat to Mark, is immortal. So I think it's worth mentioning backpedaling a little bit and talking about how immortal is even in the picture right now. So we talked about the Maulers and their arrangement with Robot and how he does eventually betray them.
00:30:33
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And it looks like he was, you know, on route to do exactly what he said he was going to do, you know, take them right back to prison. He basically tells them this is all a big waste of time. The only reason he stops in that pursuit is because all the Guardians get called to go back to headquarters because of the situation with Omni Man.
00:30:52
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And they call it an apocalypse level threat too. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I was just gonna say, yeah, it seems like immortal. The trick is to just put the pieces back together. And it's like, well, why didn't Cecil think of that? And the Mueller twins answer that question. Cecil's an idiot. Which is really funny because when they were doing the whole brain transfer thing, I love that dialogue as, uh,
00:31:19
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this machine wasn't designed for neurons this dense and the clone was like are you calling us stupid i was like you're doing brain transfers right now what is stupid about that and then calling other people an idiot like you guys you guys really can't make up your mind of how high you regard yourselves yeah right but as far as immortal's resurrection goes i i really did like that scene where it kind of flashed back to all his memories
00:31:44
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And we got to see what looked like the origin of his powers. It looks like he existed as early as like, you know, prehistoric times. It looked like, you know, around the Stone Age or something like that. And then we see him, you know, medieval times and progressing through history. And I noticed that it was almost done more like a motion comic or like a motion poster or something like that. It was like the
00:32:12
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Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. The still frames with the Ken Burns look scrolling through. Correct, yeah. I thought it was pretty effective, and I liked the change in animation style to pick something was occurring, you know? Yeah, it was a lot more detailed compared to the art design that the show itself typically has. Yeah. I did have a question. So we see a still frame of him in prehistoric times, then him as a knight,
00:32:42
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Right. And then we see Abraham Lincoln. Was he Abraham Lincoln? So I actually have my Amazon Prime still queued up. I caught that it was Lincoln, so I was wondering if he was John Wilkes Booth, but I think that John Wilkes Booth was actually convicted.
00:33:03
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he looks a fair amount like Lincoln so there may be some evidence there yeah and Lincoln was a strong man like historically like so I'm like because like I noticed it on my second watch
00:33:19
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Because it's like okay, there's immortal there's immortal and then I paused it on the Lincoln and it's Lincoln Mary Todd and Booth I think are the only people in that picture so Which one is he? God, could you imagine if it was Lincoln like everybody like buried him and had a funeral this okay eventually he regenerates and just starts punching through the coffin on the ground and
00:33:45
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So I've got a pause right here. I've got a lot of confidence that immortal is Abraham Lincoln looking at it right now because John Wilkes Booth is a completely different facial structure. He actually looks a lot more like Nolan. He's got the same mustache as Nolan. So John Wilkes Booth might have been a Viltromite. Who knows?
Season Finale Predictions
00:34:06
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That was a good catch, though. But it does just show how long lived and we know he can come back from death based on that, obviously. So even when he gets torn in half in this episode, I'm thinking we're going to see more from the immortal lake. Maybe not this season, but season two. Wouldn't surprise me.
00:34:35
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I mean, I feel like they need someone to testify against OmniMan as well. So now that Cecil is seen, that he remembers, it's like, wait, we need to get that, we need to get that body talking right away.
00:34:49
Speaker
Yeah. The question is, is what does testifying against Omni man do? Right. Yeah. I think it goes. I mean, I talked about last episode with the whole like public opinion thing, but everybody saw him rip him in half too. So, uh, I dunno, there's only headcanon I can think of for reasons to bring him back aside from needing another strong hero.
00:35:12
Speaker
Because if you have to kill Omni Man, then like I imagine you need some because I don't think the current Guardians team is really bad. No, like formidable. They got torn apart by Battle Beast, who I don't know, maybe Battle Beast is as strong as Omni Man, but they certainly didn't do well against him. No, they're definitely still finding their groove in a lot of ways. And I think it just goes to show.
00:35:41
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how effective the original guardians were and how what an elite team they were and you know how the world is a at a bit of a loss without the the aid of a hero like Omni man and so that initially when the series was first starting out like I wondered
00:36:02
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Was that his purpose? Was that his motivation for killing the Guardians so that he would be the only hero that was needed? Again, that doesn't really make that much sense because we know it really only came out when Mark started getting his powers is when
00:36:19
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what set them on this path anyway. So I don't know, man. We're going to find out next episode, at least I hope so. I hope this season doesn't leave off with a cliffhanger. But I will pose the question, like, what are you guys expecting for the next episode? Do you think we're going to pick up right where we left off here? Are we going to get that conversation between Mark and Nolan? Or do you think we'll get a little bit of a time jump and see people, you know, dealing with things in their own way? What are you guys expecting?
00:36:49
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So my guess is that Omni man or Nolan is going to tell Mark why he did it. And there, then we get to know too, or at least try to explain it. And then they're going to fight. And I think Mark, I think Mark's going to end up in bad shape and I'm not sure what Omni man's going to do. Like.
00:37:16
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Like what do you do after you fight your son and your wife kicks you out of the house? Like maybe, maybe he just leaves earth. I don't know. I agree with all that. And I also think that either Debbie or Adam Eve could be collateral damage in this. Oh, yeah, I could see that. I hope not. I hope it's not Adam Eve because she's probably my favorite character.
00:37:46
Speaker
Yeah, she's great. I hope it's not Debbie. I love Debbie. I know, but if it has to be one of them, I'd rather it be Debbie. Because then if it, if, I mean, if he kills either of them, then that would like trigger marks, like saying ability of being angry and being more powerful. So maybe that could like enhance the fight scene or again, I don't want it to happen, but like for predictions sake, that's a possibility.
00:38:09
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Do you think... I said it before, I think it's pretty obvious that there is going to be some kind of confrontation between Mark and Nolan in this final episode. Do you think it's going to be entirely one-on-one or do you think we will see any of these other side characters that we've mentioned join the fray? Obviously Adam Eve joining the fray would certainly put her in that position to have that potentially happen to her.
00:38:34
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But I'm wondering about the other Guardians or even somebody like, you know, Robot, now that he's got his new body and we've seen what he can do with that neural link and we saw the biggest version of one of his drones we've seen yet with that truck transformer. I actually said, Robot, roll out. I'm a sucker for giant robots, so I love that moment.
00:39:01
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Honestly, and feel free to disagree with me on this, but does Robot having a kid's body seem to make him more vulnerable? Because that's the opinion I got. He used to hide away his body and just transmit. If he's gonna just have that kid's body out on the battlefield all the time now, that seems like a big, giant, glowing, weak spot.
00:39:31
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what's stopping him from keeping that persona of him just staying at base and the robots doing the missions well that's that i don't know but like that's that's what i'm wondering there seems to be a range so like what i'm wondering is was that garbage truck like always nearby when like his drones were around uh we are you talking about when uh
00:39:56
Speaker
So it basically transitioned from when the robot drone was standing still and then you get the garbage truck that rolls into the mauler twins facility? Yeah, but like in previous scenes like I'm wondering in the first episode like how far away was his actual physical body back then? Oh I okay yeah now I understand why you're saying that because I kind of forgot that that that garbage truck was what was housing his
00:40:24
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his malformed body. Yeah, no, that's a good point. Yeah, I'm not too sure about that. I imagine it would have to be within some kind of proximity, but I have no idea what that range is. But even when he was
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00:40:35
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with the mauler twins, there was a drone at the headquarters. Yeah, but it was glitching out because it was so far away. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:47
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But I think that's such a minor thing, but I'm wondering if that's like a detail a guy can pick up when you rewatch, you know? I'm looking forward to rewatching this series like after next episode and just like trying to catch all these things that I know I missed.
00:41:10
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Because, I mean, it just speaks to the... Oh, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, yeah, it just speaks to the stellar quality of the show, yeah. I'm certainly looking forward to doing the same thing, seeing all the little hints and all the seeds that were planted for where we've gotten in such a short amount of time. And I think, in retrospect, this episode will be one of my favorite episodes just because of so much that happened and so many of the answers we finally got, especially with Robot. And I mean, we've been talking about them a lot,
00:41:39
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He deserves it. I mean outside of Nolan really being put through that gauntlet that we referred to this really is You know robots episode in a lot of ways. Yeah, you got me really thinking about when Robot was up in the mountain to get that flower like how close was he to that then? Oh, yeah, that's a good point, too maybe it was be maybe he kept his body like I
00:42:04
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near a high power antenna most of the time, and he was glitching out because he moved it to the garbage truck. I like that head cannon, I can work with that. Or he was focused on that fight so much that he didn't care about the drone that was just there for show.
00:42:19
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Mm-hmm. Does he kept the heat focus the bandwidth right next to him? No, that's there's actually some credence there too because we had that I can't remember which episode it was but it was when you know robot had recently become the leader of the Guardians and they were walking down that corridor and Rex like hello what's going on and that's when we got that really nice transition from the you know inside view of robot to the Mahler twins cloning facility hmm
00:42:49
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But one last little thing I want to say about Robot is Zachary Kinto has done such an excellent job voicing him, but I do like the fact that they changed the voice actor now that he's in a new body, even the Robot drones that are voiced by him. I meant to ask that. Thank you for clarifying.
00:43:07
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Yeah I was curious about that and I guess I never looked. I wasn't sure if they were kind of tone shifting one of either the Rexplosion voice actor or Zachary Kinto or if it was someone new but like I appreciate it being someone new if it's going to be this teenage boy.
00:43:34
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Yeah. So it's Ross Marquand, the same guy that does Immortal. He also did Aquarius. He's from The Walking Dead. He did Red Skull and Infinity War and Endgame. He's a pretty prolific voice actor. Yeah, no kidding. Like, there's some range doing Teenage Boy, Robot, and Immortal.
00:43:54
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Yeah, he does. He does great impressions. If you just ever have some time and you're bored and looking on YouTube, I highly recommend just checking out some of the stuff he does because he's really creative with it too. Like he tells an entire stories with like multiple characters and yeah, it's really entertaining guy. So.
00:44:10
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They have certainly got, we've talked about it a lot, but yeah, they've gotten the best talent from all across the board, you know. Robert Kirkman is obviously a really talented dude in terms of creating the source material, but I do appreciate the writing here and how they've been able to zig where I expected them to zag and whatnot, and then of course the animation has been stellar, so.
00:44:32
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do you gentlemen have anything else you want to say or do you need to talk about anything else and we need to talk I have a couple little things okay what you got um Nolan grabbing the dude's spine instead of just straight up killing him was really yeah I was like don't do he's just like crushes it and like
00:44:57
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Oh, yeah, that was that was hard to watch. I loved how petty monster girl was when she came in. She was like, yeah, just almost die for the world. And nobody even greets me. It throws me a party or anything. And then as a party, you petty kid. I thought the coin toss between the molar twins was hilarious because that body was disgusting. And they just say it's like, you lost a toy. So you got to move them. You got to do this. You got to do that. I was just like,
00:45:24
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It's squishing so much, why? And lastly, I've really liked how they bring in the invincible title card, but that was probably the weakest one they've done.
00:45:38
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Yeah, it was what Cecil and Debbie talking. He's like, where's Mark? Where's Invincible? They did do kind of a pump fake on it earlier because Mark runs to the door after Amber and he goes, I'm, I'm, and you're expecting the title card and she just slams the door on him.
00:46:00
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Yeah, that's a good call too because he gets to utter, he gets to do the I in, he gets to say I'm in because I thought the other way they might have played it, he might have been like saying I'm in love with you because, you know, teenage boys. That's exactly what I thought.
00:46:18
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Okay, I'm glad I wasn't alone on that. Yeah, because like when out fail every week I forget that's how they do the title card because I'm just so like locked into what's happening on screen that I thought as well he was gonna say I'm in love with you and then when the title card came up I was like why do I always forget this is a thing like I don't like how they did that one but I always forget it's a thing before it happens.
00:46:39
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And I think that makes sense too, because it is very much what he's doing. I'm trying to put myself back in that teenage boy head space. And I feel like if I was really crazy about a girl, that's something I would have done as a last ditch effort. If I messed up, I'd be like, I love you in hopes of getting her back. And that's basically what he does with revealing to her that he's invincible. And that's part of the reason that she's so upset.
00:47:05
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Adam Eve calls them out on it too. I didn't tell you to stringer along for five months and be an asshole. I figured you'd figure that out for yourself. Yeah. Your character is so wholesome. Yeah. Just great tough love moments for Mark in this episode. And Mark doesn't get to do a lot in this episode while he fights the Hail Mary.
00:47:30
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overall it's like he's seeking advice and he's immature so when he gets the advice he needs and doesn't like it he moves on yeah yeah he doesn't want advice he wants somebody to tell him that he's right even though yeah
00:47:48
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Yeah. We've talked about it a little bit how, and the tough love is the perfect example, but even as I was talking about how like Adam Eve has become more, not that she was ever unlikable, but I've just become more and more endeared to her. But there was that conversation where she's talking about the reasons that she went out there to find herself and figure out who she wanted to be. And she's doing that to kind of, you know,
00:48:12
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help Mark understand that maybe he needs to do the same thing. But his response like really rubbed me the wrong way and I could tell it rubbed her the wrong way too. He like answers for her. He's like, you came out here to get away from Rex and the whole superhero thing. And it's like, dude, who do you think you are telling her why she came out here?
00:48:29
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Get over yourself. Yeah, he he's talking about how he's going to quit being invincible And how miserable his life is and that and basically says well, that's why you quit and she's like I didn't quit Right, right. Yeah, and like save more people in three days than I ever did with three years with the team team and and I think that's a super important point like That the show is making is how superheroes behave?
00:48:55
Speaker
Isn't the optimal way for, for the use of powers like Adam Eves. Sure. Or invincibles. It's wasted punching people. Like all the good they can do and like Adam Eve is the only one, it seems like that has figured it out. Yeah. I totally agree. And that's probably without a doubt. That's one of the reasons that she's so likable and relatable.
00:49:22
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Her morning routine, I envy so much. It's like to just be able to like reconstruct Adam so that you don't have to shower. And like the way she was sitting on top of the roof with her coffee and the wind blowing, the sun rising, I was like, man, that like you really have it figured out for yourself right now. That is amazing. Yeah. It's like totally nailed it. You wouldn't want that.
00:49:47
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Yeah, yeah, she's got a sweet setup and one of the coolest power sets out there, so. Awesome character and kudos again to Gillian Jacobs for bringing her to life. Don't you kill her, Robert Kirkman. Don't you do it. Don't you do it. Well, I think that's going to bring things to an end for this coverage of episode seven. We need to talk.
00:50:17
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00:50:45
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00:51:10
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Um, I'm not sure when it's going to be coming out, but I am going to be, uh, um, guessing on the superhero ethics podcast. We're going to talk about the ethics of Godzilla from the recent legendary monster verse. Hmm. Sweet. Yeah. Well, look, definitely look forward to that. You did a great job on, on Benjers. So look forward to catching you there as well.
00:51:37
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00:52:07
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