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Glick's House of Music: Kissing Lilith
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Glick welcomed from Cleveland Heavy metal rock band Kissing Lilith into the House of Music, they talked about never giving up on chasing a dream, share some wild stories from coll ass adventures from singing on a bus to skydiving and so much more
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Introduction & Promotions
00:04:10
Speaker
Wow, I was not expecting the abrupt end over there. What is going on, everybody? Welcome to Glick's House of Music. You guys know me. I am Glick. Hopefully, you're having a good week so far. Hopefully, you're staying warm because it's not nice here. It sucks. Anywho, if you're not already, go ahead and check out the rest of the network. We are literally everywhere. A literally Facebook, Instagram, X, and TikTok shows live Monday through Sunday.
00:04:41
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Meet the Band: Gavin and Cody
00:05:30
Speaker
From the land, for those of you guys who don't know that what that is, that's Cleveland, Ohio. Home of the hall, a home of the rock and roll hall of fame. Got to kissing Lillick in the house tonight. Alternative heavy metal band. I'm going to ask those guys about this. We got Gavin in the building and we have Cody.
00:05:52
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live from his cage where Gavin keeps him. ah Yes, you're absolutely on his skin.
00:06:01
Speaker
like got in The light so I don't forget what it looks like. Yeah. what ah How are you guys doing, man? You surviving the cold up there? ah It's it's unbelievably cold right now. I'm so I think it was like 6 degrees the other day and when show takes it to the negative. So I've just been doing everything I can to stay inside. But unfortunately we gotta go out to run errands and get shit done throughout the day. But doing our best to stay warm. um forest sport This is this is nothing new for me man. I'm in shorts right now.
00:06:34
Speaker
but just Cody's a maniac for those who don't know. Yeah. i'm a lawyer Yeah. You know, this kind of way I used to be like that, ah but I've gotten old and and things start to happen to your body when you get old and you hit your forties and your body starts to reject you. So now it's like, no, you know, when it gets cold, like this, uh, my body starts to hurt. My hands are hurting.
00:07:01
Speaker
I just try to stay inside. Unfortunately for my nine to five job that I have, I do have to go out and venture into the wilderness, uh, from time to time. And I'm not a fan of it. So, but, uh, gentlemen, first and foremost, I do want to thank you guys for coming up here tonight, man. I do greatly appreciate it. And and and you guys are super stoked.
00:07:22
Speaker
and and more than excited. So that got me excited. Oh, yeah, dude. Thanks for having us, man. Like like I said um earlier, you're the first but first person to reach out to invite us to do a live podcast interview, which is really exciting for us. We've done a couple of different interviews ah before, some like written through email for blogs and then one we did the other week where it was pre-recorded. But ah so to do a live interview is awesome. And then to be invited to do it is just absolutely awesome. You know, we're we're excited. about all the steps of this project. And this is just, this is one of hopefully many. So thanks for having us. Absolutely. How long have you guys, how long have you guys been together? you know When did you guys start
Band Formation and Journey
00:08:01
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this project? I guess maybe not even a year.
00:08:04
Speaker
Yeah, not definitely not a year, no. um I think we started writing probably around, probably around like March of last year. yeah i like almost Like we played with the idea of writing together and doing stuff together, but we didn't really start the ball rolling until probably mid-April. And then, we I mean, we didn't release lipstick and gasoline until what, May, June.
00:08:32
Speaker
I think it was June. June yeah june is when we like released our first first official song and announced ourselves as an official band. It was in June. So about half a year, a little longer than a half a year, we've been doing this now. So you guys are are you guys new to the music world? i know i think I think Gavin, I think I've seen you post a few things where There's been some issues with, you know, you were either told you were too young, too inexperienced, didn't have the but chops to to make it in the, you know, or to be a part of a band or make it in the industry. Yeah, or you ah you did your research or you've known me for a while now.
00:09:14
Speaker
uh you know i i like to consider myself a bit of a professional around here i i do some uh internet creeping on my guests so you can say good good i like that i'm i'm always flattered when someone stalks me not really. Please don't do that. Don't stop me. I don't know how I feel about being called a stalker but I mean it is what it is. I guess it's the end of the day. It's easy man. Um yes uh uh Cody if you want you want to go first real quick and then I'll go on my little spiel and
00:09:44
Speaker
Oh, sure. I mean, whatever you want to know, I'm an open book about it. ah Dude, I've been playing in bands since I was 13. I toured when I was like 18 to 21 with metal bands, just a bunch of different ones. We used to hop in the van and we toured all over the East Coast and just screwed around, um went to school for music, i worked at a recording studio for a while, um you know played festivals my whole you know music career. So i've I've been around for quite some time as as a session guy and had a relatively successful rock band prior to meeting Gavin. So that was kind of our catalyst into creating Kissing Lilith is
00:10:30
Speaker
my old band that was doing relatively well at the time, um we decided that we were going to hold auditions for a new vocalist. And through all the auditions that we had, Gavin showed up and he was my pick immediately. Like before he even got on the mic, I'm just looking at him. I'm like, okay, he's pretty much got everything that I want. He's got a really good personality. um He's very realistic with his expectations with music.
00:10:54
Speaker
He was very open to talking about um operating the band in a business sense, as opposed to just being a bunch of guys screwing around and hopping in a van and having no plan. And with that, when we did the audition for him, I was blown away by his energy and his presence, and his voice was very strong. So I told the band, like, this is the guy. I mean, there to me, there was no reason why he did not get the part. But ultimately, it was a majority rule.
00:11:23
Speaker
And the band went with another vocalist. So afterwards I reached out to Gavin and I said, I don't care what they said, they are missing on a wonderful opportunity to work with who I think has just unlimited star power. So that was roughly November of 2023 when we finished up those those auditions. And then in January, I believe we announced who the new vocalist was going to be. And around that time, that's when I reached out to Gavin and I told him, listen, I've got a ton of songs. I have roughly about an album's worth of material. It just needs to be recorded and engineered and then we can start hashing this out.
00:12:03
Speaker
We probably would have had a lot of music put out prior to June and a lot more in between had I not been playing as many festivals as I was with the other band. mean i was I was packed. So Kissing Lilith kind of was put to the back burner. But as I was playing all these shows, the entire time I'm playing this, all I could think is, this isn't the way that I want to operate a band. This is not the way I want to approach releasing music. And ultimately, I am not happy with this project. So I left shortly after Gavin and I went to the studio and recorded More Than Worth It. I think it was about two weeks after that I contacted the band and said, I have to pursue Kissing Lilith. This is where all my attention needs to go right now. This is too great of an opportunity to just
00:12:51
Speaker
have it be on the back burner. So that was funny off November of this last year. So in the year span of me knowing Gavin, it has evolved from an audition all the way up to this second single release. And the momentum that we have created is just, it's it's insane. I would have never imagined we would have been able to have this kind of a reach off of two songs under our belt. I was going to say it just it just recently, just since I've been talking to you guys, it's like,
00:13:20
Speaker
I know we were talking just the other day, you know, the numbers don't lie. I mean, they're ah starting to pop off for you guys. and That's that's amazing. That's awesome. Yeah, it's been insane, you know, and then, you know, I mean, from my perspective, too, being in music um when I was.
00:13:36
Speaker
When I was 17 is when I joined my first band, Dying Desolation, as the lead vocalist and the bassist. And it was two of the kids from high school, a couple of grades below me. And eventually we found a bassist, so I was just the frontman, which was amazing. I got to run around on stage. you know I was hanging upside down from the ceiling while singing. I was climbing on stuff, getting into the crowd and everything. and they eventually they fired me because I said that um ah my voice wasn't what they wanted anymore for a sound they wanted to find someone who was a better fit and that was a pretty crushing blow to my ego and my self-confidence just as a musician in general and I did that band for three years and probably probably like three to
00:14:16
Speaker
I'd say probably three to six months after that happened, maybe somewhere around there. um I was pursued and I yeah was taken on by a Damo, the lead singer of the band, Ghost Static. He wanted me to be a backup vocalist and possible guitarist for the band. And then eventually I came in as a backup vocalist on the basis. And I did that for three years and yeah I really poured a whole lot into that. he um it was mostly his project and we were like hired hands even though we referred to as like core members and as I got more involved with it um I could tell that there started to become like a rift between us and eventually he fired me because he said right before we were about to do incarceration ah he fired me saying that I was too young and too inexperienced to go to the next level with them
00:15:09
Speaker
And that just, again, it crushed me to be fired from two bands that I had put so much time and energy into and passion into and the reason being told that I just wasn't good enough, essentially. And so to audition for Ozilith, I almost didn't do it. I was thinking about moving to Florida at the time. I was seeing a woman who lived down there and I was literally on vacation ah seeing if that was going to work out or I was in Florida and I was saw the Facebook ad that Cody posted saying, hey, we're looking for a singer. I said, all right, I'll check him out. I'll see what happens. And I messaged him and I got the audition and I went in and I was like, you know what? This is really fun. I kind of want to take this into like a motley crew kind of style, like sexy, like hair rock, like, yeah, hat sex drugs and rock roll kind of thing. and I had a lot of fun.
00:15:58
Speaker
um And we actually we pursued that a little bit when Cody and I first got together trying to figure out how to write. But that ultimately isn't who I am. And I think that was in the audition just me sort of having fun um and just kind of blowing off steam and trying to trying to play a different character.
00:16:21
Speaker
But then when Cody reached out to me saying that he wanted to work with me after I knew that I didn't get the part, uh, that was just a very humbling experience and kind of gave me a lot of self-confidence, especially as I got to learn more about Cody. And, you know, he is a jazz major in college. He speaks fluent music theory. He does have all this experience touring. So for him to say that I did have what he was looking for really meant the world to me and I honestly couldn't believe it so I kind of brushed it off as oh yeah you know like that's cool yeah we'll do something you know kind of things it's like when you meet me in another band like oh we should collab and do a song together yeah yeah totally and then you never hear from them again that's what I thought it was going to be like and the next thing I know the dude sends me like 10 to 12 tracks out of nowhere ja just sends me all these he goes yeah listen through these tell me what you like and let's figure it out
00:17:13
Speaker
and even now, like, I'm s little, just get my entre this whole thing has been so unbelievable because I can remember that exact moment when i'm sitting um I even have like, I was in between homes at the time. I was livin and I'm being in that, in and seeing that message and just A shot of adrenaline shooting through me. and I was like, all right. I started writing and we started figuring out what ourselves going to be. We had three different songs that were very different sounds. And I said, you know, let's focus on lipstick and gasoline. That's what resonates the most with me. That's what I really want to put out there first. And that kind of set the tone for what the other music was going to be for us.
00:17:53
Speaker
but Excuse me. It's a kickass song, man. um I like to I like to I'm a music core at the end of the day. I'm just a big old slut for music. I don't have like one specific genre that I listened to. I mean, I kind of gravitate more towards like country and rock or whatever, but I listened to it all.
Musical Tastes and Influences
00:18:15
Speaker
um And a lot of times, there you know, I might not be the the biggest fan of like EDM, but there's a couple artists out there that I do like, you know? yeah And and and and ah a lot of times, and I say this like every show, I should just get a sound bite of me saying it.
00:18:30
Speaker
but ah I mindlessly scroll Instagram and our Our algorithm like like we all do social media. I hate tick tock first and foremost so, you know, I like Instagram reels or and And my algorithm is a lot of musicians. So I mindlessly scrolling and it was The new song you guys got coming out or that just came out sorry more than more than worth it and I heard, I heard your voice. I was like, what the hell? And it was one of those things I had to scroll back and find it. And at first it was like, the face and the voice don't matter. I do a lot of voice. um I'm a, I'm a man of many different tones and voices, but, uh, but dude, you got, you got to, you got a killer voice, man. Uh, it's, it's powerful as hell. And that's something else that I like. I like that raw kind of rock.
00:19:28
Speaker
gritty sound and and you guys definitely have that. Um, that's gotta be an ego boost for you though. Like you said, you felt the adrenaline, you know, you go and try out for a band that Cody's there and you don't make it, but then Cody hits you up on the backside and he's like, Hey man, you got something. Yeah. Yeah. Well to me, so it wasn't even so much as an ego boost as it was, um, Sway to describe it. It's kind of like,
00:19:58
Speaker
I mean, it's kind of like just throwing darts in the dark and not even hearing that I hit the bullseye, but just hearing that I hit the target at all. That's really what it was just that relief of, all right, I can do this. Okay, it is possible. Okay, now I can figure out how to shape and how to maneuver and where to adjust from here. You know, it was like, ah it was the relief of I mean, to me, it felt like the relief of financial stability of being able to not have to worry about paying my bills that month. Like that's how much it really did mean to me because that's how much music means to me. It really is something that I crave. I thrive on. I need to have in my life the same as food, water, shelter. Yeah. It's kind of like an addiction. You know, uh, Johnny asked, uh, do you, do you guys like to play with others or, or play solo?
00:20:56
Speaker
obviously the chatters box open for questions. It would just depend. I mean, we love the idea of playing with like the full band. Obviously, like we're going to start holding auditions once release the next couple of songs. And I love collaborating with songwriters that have the same vision. I find when there are too many members that all want different things, it just it doesn't mold well. And then it ends up being counterproductive.
00:21:23
Speaker
So I love playing in bands. i I've been playing in bands since, like I said, since I was 13, Gavin's been playing in bands for forever. it is ah It's a different kind of feeling when you have more people to collaborate with and then create a sound that's very unique. Now,
00:21:37
Speaker
um Having said that, I guess it would also come down to if you mean other guitar players, then no. I do not play well with other guitar players at all. I am the only guitar player. There can be only one. Ideally, yes, and that's not an ego thing. I've been in bands with multiple guitar players before, and it never works, because I'll have an idea. You can have an ego, man. It's OK.
00:22:06
Speaker
You're talking to a guy who custom made championship belts made and calls himself the champ. So it's so okay. I don't do the ego thing. I'm i'm very objective. on just everything day that I do, including the music. It's just, I don't work well with other guitar players. be fine we We butt heads too often when it comes to creative things. I like to look at things from a songwriting perspective and everything serves the song. A lot of guitar players I've played with in the past, a lot of it is self-serving. They're like, no, we need to have a bunch of riffs and it's got to be busy and it's going to have a million notes. And I always combat that and say, but the song doesn't need that.
00:22:43
Speaker
The vocals will will carry the melody. The guitar needs to be the accompaniment. And if we can put some lines in there for like vocal leading, that's incredible. that's ah That's great. But when you listen to all of the greatest songs ever written, the song and the music, it's all written around that vocal melody. That is what people are listening to. So guitar players and i we we butt heads, which is the funniest thing like as a guitar player. Never. i will always just I will always say, let's just have one guitar player and we'll we'll worry about the rest later. Yeah.
00:23:14
Speaker
No, I mean, yeah for me, I would love to have some other vocalist line. Like, so that's one thing I'm, if there's ever like an artist that we want to have featured on our stuff, we will definitely make that clear. We'll reach out to you. Or if you're interested in being featured on and we think that it works and that you fit with us and we fit with you absolutely. And that I'm always down to find other artists similar to us or maybe if like a different genre of around like the same level as us doing what we're doing, similar interests for me to jump on a
Building a Music Community
00:23:45
Speaker
track with them. Like I'm always looking to collab with other artists too. And that's not even just with music. We had a tattoo artist um that from another state, I can't remember which state that he's in, but we're gonna make a big post about it soon. He spent weeks hand drawing this insane Lilith poster for us.
00:24:01
Speaker
so badass. All right, it looks amazing we're trying to figure out um how to get into like a VPN or something like that so we can do a free of like shirts or ba like that. Just figure out I think it's just, it's so un by hand. And then we have o that we work with for phot
00:24:18
Speaker
new people that are artists, not even just musicians to work with, because we really are trying to build a community with this band. That's one of the things that I would say that I'm proudest of. stuff um And I'm actually grateful that Cody was working with his other band for so long, because even though I was very hungry and anxious and excited to get things with this rolling. I spent that time studying ah music marketing and social media marketing and how to separate us from all the bands around us and because of that you know like We were able to get into a Spotify playlist, which took our numbers from 100 monthly listeners to 1,600 overnight. Insane. you All of our social media has consistently about 1,000 followers. I think TikTok's at 13, Instagram's around a little over 900. I think Facebook is like 1,200.
00:25:13
Speaker
but we have people that e have our our ah post, you kn like 40 likes and the comments under them on a have lower, some of the but we're seeing consistent growth and we're having people, especially right now with this song, i'm More Than Worth It, you know, on the post, I was putting there, hey, reach out to us. If you have, if you just want to talk, reach out to us. If you feel like you're not enough, reach out to us. If you have a project that you're working on and you want us to post on our story about it, or you want to question about it, or if you just need to vent about it, like, and people are doing that, you know, once a day, I probably have a new person reach out saying, hey, I love your music. Hey, I had a really hard time with this.
00:25:58
Speaker
Hey, this is my new passion right now. Where should I go? Who could I talk to about this? And it's just, it's, it's almost overwhelming, even though it's only a couple of people, you know, emotionally, it's just so amazing that we're able to start building the foundation of this community. Oh yeah. And, and, you know, all of us at some point have experienced, uh,
00:26:18
Speaker
rejection or, or defeat or whatever, you know, if it's something that you're passionate about that you want to do. Uh, we've all felt that and to have you guys and actually be genuine because you see a lot of, you see a lot of, um, you know, uh, whether it be TikToks or reels or.
00:26:35
Speaker
whatever and it'll be an artist and we'll be like, are you looking for a music band that's still small enough to respond to every message and blah, blah, blah. Some of these bands, I've come across, I was like, man, I like their sound, they sound awesome. Then I shoot a message, hey, the little icebreaker message I said, and you don't hear nothing back. It's like, okay. Yeah, you just put yourself into the algorithm to get. The other cool thing about your guys' growth is that,
00:27:04
Speaker
you know You can have all the numbers in the world, but yeah but what it really boils down to is that engagement. yeah you know You can have 200 followers, but get four times the engagement of somebody with 2 million followers because most of their followers could be bought or yeah you know not organically gained or whatever. so That speaks volumes on on on your growth alone is that you guys have the engagement there. ah One of the biggest things with that is just how you market it like whenever I run an ad on something, whether it's tick tock or Facebook or whatever, you know, I run it for views. I don't run for follows. I don't run it for likes because.
00:27:43
Speaker
I want people to just see our stuff. And when they see it, I want them to determine on their own, okay, this is for me, or this is not for me. And the ones who say it is for me, they will like, they will comment, they will follow, they will DM us, we will engage with them as they engage with us. Yeah, 100%. And it's, that's nice. I mean, because I've always been that guy where it's like,
00:28:06
Speaker
feel free to hit us up anytime, you know, I might, it might take me a day or two, but I'll, I'll get back to you as quick, as quick as I can. Cause you know, and and you know, the busier you guys get and everything like that, you know, it it happens. You don't mean to, but you know, it's like, Hey, I will nine times out of 10, if you see nonsensical network pop up on your screen on anything, it's me, you know, I, you know, I'm the, I'm the big social media guy here on the network and out of out of the six or seven of us that's here. Um,
00:28:36
Speaker
I'm the big one on our social medias. And that interaction that you guys have, that that's that speaks volumes for for who you guys are as well. And that's that's really cool. It shows that appreciation and gratitude. ah I wanna ask you guys, it can Cody, you know you you guys, this is this is your thing. This is your baby. you know How does that feel compared to other projects you've been on?
00:29:02
Speaker
you know it's It's more fulfilling mainly because it's music that I wanted to write. And now I have the platform to be able to to write it and people enjoy it. So the thing that's always held me back in bands is really it's one of two things. It's either the band is too focused on making music for musicians, which is cool and it's fulfilling in one sense, but nobody gets it and nobody's appreciating it or taking the time to listen to it because it's just a bunch of musicians playing stuff for the sake of impressing other musicians.
00:29:41
Speaker
And then the other thing that I noticed is that they don't take the business side of it seriously, so they never get the opportunity for the chance to market or to create a fan base. So Gavin has a strength that I will never have. um is he's One, he's he's far more charismatic than I am. And two, he really knows how to get people engaged. I mean, he absolutely does. Look at that beautiful face. I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell. it they yeah So I had no idea. He gives me the opportunity for my music to be heard by so many more people, which is the greatest thing for me, because as a musician, foremost, when you put all this time and energy into writing music and nobody can hear it, you sit down sometimes and you think to yourself, well, why am I really even doing it?
00:30:26
Speaker
And then, of course, you bounce back and like, well, I'm doing it because I love it and I don't know what else I would do. But to be able to have people listen to songs that I write and then Gavin sings on, it's it's surreal and people enjoy it. And now of course, I'm a more behind the scenes type person, like I'm doing all the guitar and the bass work and then I'm working with the drummer so we can work on the arrangement. And people don't worry too much about that. It really is about the vocals because it's music, obviously.
Band Dynamics and Collaboration
00:30:51
Speaker
But without the accompaniment there, the vocals don't have a platform to stand on. So for me, it's the coolest thing when Gavin gets the engagement, because I get to sit back and be like, you know what? This kid gave me the opportunity for people to listen to me play guitar and they enjoy it. And there's no other feeling like that than when people genuinely enjoy the product that you've created. 100%. I mean, but who doesn't who doesn't doesn't love a good sick ass guitar solo?
00:31:20
Speaker
You got to get your spotlight every once in a while too, Cody. Everyone is tasteful. I used to be the person that would write solos ah just for the sake of the ego stroke. Like, I'm going to write the hardest role ever. it's goingnna be fast It's going to It's going to blow their minds. And then you sit there and you play it. And then everyone in the audience is like, good job, buddy. you And then you sit there like, well, this is defeating. like I just spent all this time writing this face ripping solo. and then Yeah.
00:31:49
Speaker
What I've seen from performing and touring is a lot of the times no one cares about that, but they care about the guy that has the most energy. So I i changed up. So I'm like, okay, instead of dumping all of this time into writing a solo that has, you know, a bunch of, uh, you know, a bunch of 16th notes, just going at 200 beats per minute. Nobody cares about that. It's like write something that makes them feel something and then put on a show and then more people are going to be interested in that. And it it shows time and time again.
00:32:18
Speaker
Wally asked in the chat, uh, who's your guys's biggest inspiration? Music wise, like who are some of those bands or artists that, uh, really look up to. There's too many. There are a lot. I'll do three. Three is, three's an easy one. Okay. Uh, Led Zeppelin tool.
00:32:39
Speaker
Oh God. Third. I didn't think third was going to be that hard. Um, okay. we'll Definitely Led Zeppelin and tool. And then I'll say guns and roses. Just great arena. Two out of three are good. Two out of three are good. Two out of three is fine. That's enough. That's fine. Yeah, ah for me, I would probably say um corn. Yeah, john Jonathan Davis.
00:33:02
Speaker
um Ooh. It's tough. is It is. It's so tough. Because i go I go through so many phases. I go through so many phases for like the longest time I was listening to nothing but Lincoln Park and both my Valentine. And then for a longest time, I was listening to a lot of Eminem and Shakira. And then I loved Shakira. And then I'm not judging. I'm a fan myself. I'm a fan myself. Yeah. Yeah. And then like, you know, lately it's been a lot of run in Watsky and
00:33:37
Speaker
I mean, i just I just discovered bloody wood the other day because I was at work. And in my head, I was listening to music and all I was hearing was, and and and and and ni ni and ni and and I want to hear a metal song with that. So I typed in um Bollywood metal and was not disappointed.
00:33:53
Speaker
and be awesome Like there's just so much so much that I listen to I I think better than artists just genres in general would be very like early 2000s new metal 90s rap has been a big influence on how I ah how I sing and how I writes and then Probably Shit yeah, just just just like There's so many things. It's so hard to pick my mind is my mind right now feels like a spider. My mind feels like a spider web made out of mozzarella cheese that is being split apart amongst my fingers, but I have five hands. That is easier to explain than answer your question right now. yeah i get that I tell people sometimes my my brain is like a bowl of spaghetti.
00:34:45
Speaker
because it's it's all over the theres it's going 45 different directions at the same time. So I totally get that reference. Cody, you seem like you're more of this guy to lay back. I'm going to do my thing. um ah I'm going to let Gavin shine.
00:35:02
Speaker
and and just yeah Obviously, just from the social media, you could tell that the guy's got an energy that is hard to match. You know, who is I don't imagine that what makes him the front man though. I mean, yeah, he's the david lee roth. I always wanted I was just gonna say is is he like uh, is he like a david lee roth on stage? You know or oh, yeah if you watch videos if you watch videos of him from his previous bands now We haven't actually played a show yet because it's just the two of us um, we adopted this idea of preparation from a friend's band of ours called kill streak and
00:35:39
Speaker
to me, they did everything right. They released single after single after single and built this authentic fan base and they were able to build ah a big enough following where their first show was incarceration over in Mansfield, Ohio. Now, will we be able to copy that in that large of scope? I don't know. Wouldn't that be incredible? ah Gavin says yes.
00:36:02
Speaker
okay i i don't see why i don't see why not i don't i don't see why not he's the more optimistic he's the more optimistic of the two of us i'm a little jaded from him over the years but i got some tricks up my sleeve it's got some tricks up here but it was a great example to me of the thing that i've always been lacking in my bands which is i've always been focused on play shows play good shows, just play a ton of shows and it'll just eventually it'll pay off. And then in one aspect that kind of did, it gave me all the experience and and things I should know of the music industry um and how to actually perform on stage and what people enjoy in the audience versus yeah you know what's going to have crickets chirping.
00:36:42
Speaker
yeah But they did everything right. they They created this great following and they prepared this amazing stage show. And their first show, I'm i'm sitting in the audience and I'm just like, oh shoot, okay, well they did it right. They absolutely did it right. So that's kind of the the method that we've been going. Once we get to like single number five,
00:37:01
Speaker
and we hold those auditions, we're we're going to be rather particular about who we let into the fold because they've they've got to be two things. that One, they've got to be on board with the the message of the band, which is you know positivity, of course. So it's a very enriching and positive band um to the image, which is something that I think a lot of bands, they lack before they break through to that you know festival level um for for bands is they're not marketing themselves as a unit.
00:37:29
Speaker
And then three, of course, like they have to have the chops. That's the one thing that the the musician in me will not sacrifice is that everybody's got to be absolute top notch. So when we go into the studio, it's like, okay, we're here. We've got eight hours. I need everybody to be on top of it. I need everybody to know how to, you know, play to a quick track, super tight. Everybody's got to be proficient in, you know, notation of whatever their instrument is.
00:37:53
Speaker
And then once that all comes together, I think that this will be a pretty unstoppable unit. And I've i've been in enough bands to know when you know the right stuff is there. So this is a very exciting very exciting time to be in a band. And and and that that that format, of it seems to be the thing. A lot of the artists that I've talked to here on this show, that seems to be the way to go, man. It seems a lot of artists are you're not so much hyper-focused on albums as much as, let me put out a, you know, five or six singles and get them on the social media, get them out there for people to hear. And then I'll take a break and then I'll promote those. And while I'm doing that, I'll either A, write a few more songs or B, maybe start working on an album. And that seems to be the new formula, you know, with the way that, you know,
00:38:45
Speaker
Unfortunately, social media is a necessary evil these days. It's it's not it not like it used to be, where you go out and put flyers up all over the place, and you do play all the local bars you possibly can get. You're in the middle of Poe Duncan, Ohio, at some hole-in-the-wall bar playing your music, getting trying to get you know ears and eyes on what you're doing. and ah the Social media has become a necessary evil these days, whether you like it or not.
00:39:12
Speaker
But that seems to be the the format for musicians now, and it seems to be working. Yeah, it's working really well.
Music Industry Insights
00:39:18
Speaker
And it not only is it it's working for the musicians, but for the consumer as well. you know I think it's sustainable for everybody, because now we aren't now we don't have to save up the contents, the emotional energy, the creative energy, the finances to do an entire EP or a full album.
00:39:38
Speaker
you know, that which gets very costly very quickly. Now instead, we could take a fraction of that those funds and we can focus them on one single at a time, release it where we can do merch drop for that single, we can do cover for that single, we can do an acoustic cover for that single now, which you will get paid attention to. We can make a whole bunch of content for that single, we can really push it so it gets the love that it deserves.
00:40:03
Speaker
you know, we're not we're not eminem we're not Taylor Swift, we're not these people who can just release something overnight. And it gets millions of millions of streams in the first hour. You know, it takes time for people like people have to see us seven to 11 times before they have a decision of Oh, yeah, this is someone I want to follow. And that's why we make sure we post every day or every other day at the very least. So that way people are seeing us. That's why when I am doing the um be advertising, I'm doing the ads for views. So that way it's putting us in front of people as many times as it can. Not even just as many people as possible, but as many times as we can so they get familiar with us. Because the first time you hear something, especially something alternative, whether it's metal or hip hop or rap or country, anything that isn't what you're used to hearing,
00:40:54
Speaker
um people are going to have mixed emotions on it the first time and I'm not going to sit here and say that we're a completely original band there's no other band that sounds like there's plenty of bands that sound like us yeah but we have our own sound and we're developing our own sound and that's what will differentiate us from our inspirations and from the bands around us so people need to hear that multiple times so that way they can get familiar with it So they can determine, yes, I like this or no, I don't like this. I've had probably at least a dozen people now comments on poster bars. Okay, fine, I'll follow.
00:41:27
Speaker
because they they've seen it. They've heard it so much. They're like, damn, it it's stuck in my head. I do actually enjoy this. I have to admit it and beating them into submission, man. it's a Stockholm syndrome. they Fine. We'll, we'll follow. We're here. Yeah. Yeah. And then they stick around. This was kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they're not so bad. it I love that. I love that would not, you know,
00:41:54
Speaker
Doing this doing this podcasting thing. I love when people will message me and they're like Well, we used to hate listening to your show and I'm like, well, thanks for listening, you know, regardless You know, thanks for listening. Like well now we now we love you guys you guys are awesome. I'm like cool. So We must have done something right if we turned you around I love those messages, especially when it's like I can't stand you guys.
00:42:18
Speaker
I don't even listen. Okay. But you guys were talking the other night and and you said this and I got to, I got to agree with Jeff. He was, and I'm like, nobody pushed my co-host, co-creator here. And first nobody ever agrees with Jeff. Jeff's an idiot, but thanks for listening. because Especially since you said in the same message, you you don't listen to us, but then yeah then you wanted to talk. I love that because whether you, whether you like us or not, and you're listening.
00:42:44
Speaker
Yeah, well, I think that' of any genuine friendship and relationship whether it's um, it's just two you it is like a band and a f a fan kind of thing or podcast and a listener that that honesty of, you know, I really didn't like this, but I respect this and I enjoyed this. It's like, all right. Cause now you have some kind of common ground. And I think, I think it, um it adds humanity to each other. You know, the last thing that Cody and I want is to be put on a pedestal. The last thing that he and I want is to be, is to be like worshiped or seen as like, Oh, the rock stars. It's like, no, no, we're we're here to connect with people. We're here to express ourselves. We're here to have a great time and make memories and, and create art.
00:43:33
Speaker
I don't know if I could ever be on a pedestal, dude. I have a seven-year-old running around that humbles me every day.
00:43:40
Speaker
it's just It is what it is, but we... I would like to say it gets better, bro, but they're gonna... that's i've got three I got three kids, and anytime I start to get a little bit of a... of a confidence boost, they're like, hey, dad, whack.
00:43:53
Speaker
fact i i know Not today. Exactly. And that's another thing that's the the joy of having that in your life is nothing ever goes to your head anymore, because at the end of the day, you're just a person that has to take out the trash. And dad, look at me. I put shoe marks on the Walmart grade.
00:44:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's great. you know But it's it's for me, it's very important to stay grounded because when I was younger, you know and I was a bit more of a little fuckhead. um I did let it get to me because when you're 18 years old and you're touring, you think that you're the greatest thing that ever came out of Cleveland. e um you know When you come home after a tour and you have no money in your pocket, it it makes you think of like,
00:44:38
Speaker
Why, like I am absolutely nothing. Why am I letting any of this get to my head at the end of the day? It's like, I don't even have the room to have bragging rights. I still have to come home and have a day job after touring. So what's the difference? Why am I acting like I'm so much better than everybody else? When at the end of the day, it's like, cool, I got an awesome opportunity, but I have to come home and work on stages when I get home. It's yeah it's part of the the journey and and growing and humbling yourself and realizing that it really is just music.
00:45:08
Speaker
And when you make it anything even more than that, I feel like you're taking away from what being an artist should be in the first place, which is just being creative. And for me, music is the greatest opportunity to just let all of my creative energy out into one medium. But it's amazing that people listen to it, but I'm just a guy with a guitar and that's all it's ever going to be. That's all it ever was. That's a good thing. None of the guys from the network are watching this right now because they'd call me out on my bullshit. because I'm actually a pretty humble guy, but i and certain certain times during the week, i on different shows, I i come across like an egomaniac from time to time. The guys here on the network, they like to they like to keep me in check. and Well, try to keep me in check and keep me in line. I've offered.
00:45:57
Speaker
I've oftentimes compared myself to a God. And we call them your peasants below my feet, but. Oh, there you go. As long as you're not an angry God, that's all that matters. No, no, no, um I'm ah um'm a happy God. Okay, I've made jokes about it. So the other day, um my roommate was parked next to me and my ah my girlfriend, my val fiance was parked right behind me and I maneuvered my my shitty little scion in between them.
00:46:22
Speaker
She went inside to go get her keys to move her car because I think I make it. I did make it. And she looks at me and she kind of puts her hands in her eye. Rolled out of the way I go. I'm the fucking best.
00:46:35
Speaker
yeah yeah it's it's I think sometimes I think sometimes we got to have those moments where we're just like, fuck yeah, man. I'm the man. everybody yeah like I got this shit, you know? what it's go It's always like the dumbest things too. like I'll speed clean the house in like 30 seconds. I'll look around and I'm smelling the Febreze like, my dick is so big. Yeah. Organization. There you go, Gavin. We know whatever.
00:47:04
Speaker
Whatever works for you. It was God. Oh, there you go. There you go. I was like, I'm a God. I'm a God. I can see a picture are happening to both of you. I can just visualize it. I can see it too, because Gavin, I think you and I have a lot in common with our personalities. We're both big personalities. We're both very energetic. I do have to apologize.
00:47:30
Speaker
Last week, everybody in my house had the ick and I was like, yeah, I made it out alive. I didn't catch it. And then yesterday I started feeling a little under the weather and today it's even more so, but, but I know what my fiance goes through with me. My, my random outburst of just unnecessary nonsensical crap, whatever it may be. Like we, we moved the furniture around in the bedroom and I've got some.
00:47:55
Speaker
ah older dressers that are solid wood and they're not easy to move and she was like you know we'll just take the drawers out I'm like oh I'm a man I'll just leave him and I was feeling real good about myself after I moved everything by myself and then I walked into the kitchen and I went to pick something up and I went oh shit there's reality go to good this but I had to come back in the room and be like Yeah. You see what I did? You like that. I'm a man. You got a man, woman. you very Slowly crying on the inside is really a bunch deteriorating right in front of you. yeah just not a little me That's too meta for me, Gavin. It's too meta. That's right. I'll be there very soon, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. It's fun to just have a good time and joke around with it. You know, i like I said, I teach the guys all the time.
00:48:43
Speaker
and and joke around about it. But the guys know. yeah I'm um um very humble. very I'm very grateful for opportunities that i that you know that we've gotten in this show in itself. i mean it's I never thought that I'd be sitting here doing interviews with with as many musicians as I have and and and having fun. And and actually forming friendships with them. Genuine friendships with artists and whatnot. I love it. And that in itself is very humbling.
00:49:11
Speaker
you know It'd just to be like, wow, I did that. Yeah, wow i think the ah the music community as a whole um has gotten a lot. has become more more of j in the last 10 years or so you know i remember when I first started out playing um when i was stepping seeing there was, it felt like e to was a competition. It b band was sizing each othe like someone was pissed at somebody for sleeping with somebody else. It fe
00:49:43
Speaker
everybody was keeping secrets on how to get successful, even though they were all in the same fucking place. and like that and that There was no movement really happening. But now that the the younger generations, these younger bands are starting to take the stage,
00:49:58
Speaker
um it seems like there are a lot more open to, hey, let's do a song together. Hey, how did you promote that video? I saw it didn't really. Hey, hey where did you go to record? Hey, would you do this and that? and Just in general, it's becoming more of a ah community that's very uplifting rather than a gimme, gimme, gimme kind of situation that it used to be.
00:50:18
Speaker
No, that's, and and that that is really cool. That's something that I've noticed. You know, you, I've had artists on here from like Nashville, you know, Nashville has got a huge music scene. Obviously that's what Nashville is. And that was one of the things I asked. I said, you know, as, as a fan on the outside, looking in, you hear all the horror stories, you know, somebody would run their grandma over with a bus to get ahead of, you know, type deal. And they're like, no, actually, surprisingly, the community is very strong and it doesn't seem to matter if you're from you know, Nashville where that's music, you know, down there. Or if you're from small town, I'm i'm from central Ohio. I'm down by Columbus. I'm in a little, little town, little east of Columbus. And even our music scene here, man, that all the bands know each other for the most part, they're, they're, they're all friends. They all help each other out. You know, they're like, whether it's playing in one of the bar, amen. I just played at this bar last weekend, had a good time. You guys should try to get in there type deal, you know, or
00:51:15
Speaker
going in and telling the owners like, Hey, you know, my buddy's in a band. They're really good. You guys should hit them up type deal. I love that for music being a music fan. I love that there's an actual community nowadays. And it's not, I'm sure that that cutthroatness is still there to some degree, yeah but it's not, it's not as out in the open as it used to be. You know, I think it's necessarily the cutthroatness. I think it's more now we have the means of production in our hands.
00:51:38
Speaker
So why be extremely competitive with one another? We're the ones that are doing it ourselves. Back in the day when it used to be the only way that we were going to get promoted is if we had a label backing us or if we had a company.
00:51:53
Speaker
that seemed to be a little more cutthroat. Like when I first started before ah social media media really blew up, everybody was just at each other because it seemed like there was less room at the table to eat. Now that we have all the social media, it's like, Oh, okay. Well, I mean, if they're doing well, that doesn't mean that I can't do well either. And I think that's more of a cultural shift in general, like when you talk to everybody on social media platforms as a whole, and just in the United States culture as a whole as well, it seems like everybody's more community driven as of the last 10 years than they were previously, at least from my experiences. I can only ever speak for myself, but i the only negative experiences I've ever had with music in general was
00:52:41
Speaker
ah when I first started when he had all these old guys coming in and it had to be the old 80s way and I never understood that and that to me was always so toxic and outdated and then you see what a lot of those bands are doing and I'm not trying to be vindictive but you see a lot of the bands that were throwing shade back in the day and now they're doing absolutely nothing and then they're pissed off when some of the new guys are coming up absolutely killing it using modern techniques.
00:53:06
Speaker
And all I can think is, I'm like, you're just a dick, dude. Like, you were a dick dick now. But now you have so much hate because all these new guys are coming up and killing it. So. Yeah. Well, that's one thing I always try to keep in mind. It's that, you know, not not everybody will remember someone being kind, you know, that that like that just so it is not everybody remembers somebody being kind. Everyone will remember who is a dick. Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, yeah. Yeah.
00:53:34
Speaker
Yeah, i love that's just how it is. you know we and that's jesus because it's just life in jail Yeah, yeah we're we're just programmed to remember negative experiences more than positive experiences. because that That's survival. you know If something's negative, we don't want to be around it. That's against our survival instincts. So if somebody's an asshole, we're going to remember them being an asshole because we want to avoid them just like instantually.
00:53:59
Speaker
Right. But no, I would say recently, though, like the bands that Gavin and I have have circled around with and all of our friends that are just like top tier performers, they're all fantastic. One of one of my close friends, Paul Fessler, who is a phenomenal guitar player, and you should check him out and everything that Paul does.
00:54:17
Speaker
ah including his band, Southern Fade. But Paul, like me, was a session player. Now he's about to play incarceration just as a session player, but that guy changed the game in Northeast Ohio medals. He really did. He was just the nice...
00:54:30
Speaker
What's his name? Is he on social? Paul Fester. I think it's Paul Fester Music. Yeah, P-A-U-L-F-E-S-S-L-E-R. One of the nicest human beings ever met. So actually, Paul's been in my life since my first concert. My first concert with Diamond Estellation at the Agora in the ballroom opening for Texas Hippie Coalition. Paul was there.
00:54:52
Speaker
and immediately like approached me when he like he saw us loading and he approached me, asked me what band I was in, no asked me what I did, gave me some pointers, some tips for being on stage for the first time. And he was there the first and the second show that we played and has just been nothing but supportive. And and he told me, too, like I wasn't perfect. And I knew very well I wasn't perfect. I was 17, singing first time in front of a a sold out crowd, which is insane.
00:55:18
Speaker
but he's been nothing but a honest and positive form of critique throug like career. you know It's amazing. i feel like he's been that for everybody. you know I mess when I saw that he got on i not some of voice message You deserve this. out Out of everybody that I know in the music community, you definitely deserve this. Oh yeah. He is like the the one person, if anybody like can make a full-time career out of music, Paul Fessler is the one that everyone is rooting for, man. Also, his tag on Instagram, PaulMusic93, but he is...
00:55:55
Speaker
found I found them, I followed them, and i and I followed how we feel as well. Yeah, he's he's fantastic. man I think he single-handedly has in the last five years changed the attitudes of musicians in the metal community just because he's stupidly good. I mean, he is one of the best guitar players in Ohio, hands down.
00:56:14
Speaker
And he's, yeah, I swear to God. I mean, he is just phenomenal. You'll watch him play. And he's so humble. He's like, no, I saw. It's like, no, do you can't even say that with a straight face. He's, he's he's a guy. Remember when he added, he added us in a group chat with with a bunch of other musicians, just like it connected and stuff. And he was telling us like, Oh, yeah. So I think I'm going to start waking up three hours early to practice my scales.
00:56:38
Speaker
what And he would probably do it too. He was doing it. He told me, because I asked him how it was going at the CLE Mosh Fest. I was like, hey, how's it going? He's like, oh, it's going good, man. You know, like, we're doing this. Like, I missed a couple of days in here. And I'm like, what do you mean you missed a couple of days? You're waking up at like four in the morning, six in the morning to do guitar scales for two hours. That's insane. He's crazy. He's so crazy, but he's so good.
00:57:07
Speaker
and the last time I went over to his house he's got a whiteboard about the size of a television and he's just like okay and this is what I'm gonna do for my practice routine and this is the BPM I'm gonna do it and this is that I'm just like oh wow okay that's a lot but like I love music and I love music theory but that is yeah I need to say that there are there's only like him and like two other guitar players in Northeast Ohio where I'm like, I am not going to play as much as them. They like they breathe they breathe it, man. like I live it. they They breathe it. And then they wake up like from a SpongeBob meme. They're just like immediately, first thing they think about, just phenomenal. But he really has changed the mood.
00:57:47
Speaker
in in music around here. It's just because he's the gold standard. It's like, well, Paul's like the best player in town and he's the nicest guy ever. So why do I have to be a dick if Paul's the nicest dude ever? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's there's there's no reason to be a, you know, be a dick because. Yeah, I say that, but I've kind of reached the point where my doors are closed as far as helping people for the time being. That's just because I've been burnt too many times, but yeah uh you know but i don't mean i'm gonna be a dick you know uh you know about it if you put but yeah you know when you when you're as good at when when you're that good at at something and then you can still be cool enough to be like hey i noticed you were doing this why don't you try this and not come at you like like ah like an asshole but like in a helpful genuine manner that speaks volumes for the person um
00:58:43
Speaker
as a person, but not only that, but as an artist, because it just shows that they care that about the music and about the industry. I think we've got a lot of artists and and through throughout throughout history that are, and even even today, that are just in it to make a quick buck and to get famous and don't really care what they do. Just wild. If you're in any art form ah to make money, you should find a new way to make money. if no yeah you know I would love to make money doing this podcasting thing. And it is obviously it is a goal, but I also understand like I don't have the money to put forward to make money doing it. Like I'm not going to spend a fortune on things just to make money doing what I like.
00:59:33
Speaker
I'll let it happen organically and and and naturally. yeah and You have to find that balance, you know, like we do put money into advertising for the band. We do put money into the recording and the artwork and everything. But we also make sure that like we sit down and we have a meeting where we go over our budget for the song.
00:59:50
Speaker
And that is the budget for the whole song. That's how much we're going to spend in the studio, you how much we're going to spend on artwork, how much we're going to spend on marketing. Now with marketing, how are we going to divvy up the marketing? How many campaigns are we going to do? How are we going to run these campaigns? Are they going to be offered this social media or that social media or all the social media? How long are we going to run these campaigns? Like we break out, we have a meeting for probably like two hours where we just break everything down to make sure that We're investing in ourselves and our art, but we're also staying within our means of living because we don't want to be starving artists doing the the right amount of work in the wrong place.
Authenticity in Music
01:00:24
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you know we We don't want to put all of our money into ads for MySpace and then be upset because we don't blow up. like yeah you We're not going to buy a billboard in Wisconsin for a show that we don't have here in Cleveland.
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah. And it's super super helpful, man, having having a nice ledger like that, because we really can look at the analytics and find where like our actual return on investment is. so Because ultimately, yeah, Gavin and I would love to just do this and nothing else. And it is a very real dream. But it's a lot of having that business mentality of being like,
01:01:02
Speaker
where should the money be allocated? And are we actually going to see a return on investment? And it's been a lot of trial and error this first year sitting down and you know just putting money in marketing and seeing where we want to push something and then having it kind of blow up in our face. But because of everything that we've done so far, now we can sit down with the budget and determine, okay, well, we're going to get the most utility out of marketing towards this demographic in general, instead of it just having to be a bunch of you know dude bros just telling us that we're a bunch of uh well unsavory things so yeah yeah oh yeah the first time that i didn't add for one of our things on instagram i got called a flamer which totally threw me off i know people still use that word like i haven't heard that one in a while uh and a part of me was all like you'll see but the other pro was all like
01:01:54
Speaker
weird. Yeah. very salty Yeah. But I expected to because you know, I got my fingernails painted. I got the dangly earrings. I wear makeup and stuff especially for the show. Like I'm used to it.
01:02:08
Speaker
you're You're a fucking rockstar, man. Exactly. yeah doesn't It's the image. You know what I mean? It is. It's not just image. It is part of who I am. Like, like I have my fingernails painted. I've had them painted for years just because that's part of who I am. You know, that we try to make the image as much as possible. Who we are just exaggerate. It's like but i'm im exaggerated.
01:02:28
Speaker
Yeah, that's what it is. yeah like That's a cool thing about this project is that we don't feel like we have to like really put on a face. like it's It's kind of just it. Gavin and I grew up loving rock stars. like I still dress up like a wannabe slash.
01:02:44
Speaker
just because it's fun. like I love dressing up like that. So all the photos that you see of us being um you know jackasses in public, like it's thats that's just us, because that's what we like to do. and Especially the one in front of the rock hall. like we just kind of like He came up with the idea, and we're like, oh, screw, wing it.
01:03:02
Speaker
I can't believe more people don't film stuff rock it's right it's right on the outside. yeah it's it's ah But that's just us. like The suit thing, I love wearing suits, but I also like dressing up like a rock star. like Everything has been very organic, and we like that to shine through, which is why I think that the the project is doing a lot better than most other projects that we... Well, not most, with all other projects that we've been in, because this is it. like We don't have to fake anything.
01:03:30
Speaker
Yeah, we're we're just guys that like rock bands and you know, it's it's fun to dress up. Have fun. Yeah, you know, it's funny, you know, there's still people out there and yeah unfortunately, you're gonna have the trolls that say stupid shit. But yeah, either one of the first videos I seen Gavin just reminded me of like in 80s.
01:03:51
Speaker
pump that. I was like a bald Billy Idol. It's so funny to be saying that with a cutoff jacket the and the earrings and everything like that. And he's I'm assuming somewhere in Cleveland just ah having a fucking good time and making a video for you guys' the song. And I'm like,
01:04:13
Speaker
ah He's like an 80s punk rocker. I can dig it. this This is cool. I'm digging it, man. And I love that you guys do so much around Cleveland. you know I'm an Ohio guy, unfortunately, born and bred in Central Ohio. I am a sports guy, and I bleed orange and brown, and I love the Cavaliers. So I am an Indians fan, but I'm more a Reds fan. um but you know And I used to go up to Cleveland when I was younger.
01:04:41
Speaker
and do a lot of party into like a special place for in my heart for Cleveland. um Years back, I used to go to the flats all the time. I haven't been up there in a year, so I don't even know if the flats still exist. They've had a couple of restaurants in the flats, but they're definitely every weekend, they're going crazy at the flats.
01:05:02
Speaker
But ah I love that you guys do the videos around around town and and and the pictures and stuff like that and represent the city, man. I think that's really fucking cool. It really is an awesome city. you know like So I live in actually, I live in one of the one of the worst or worst neighborhoods or the more dangerous neighborhoods in Cleveland, you know, I live, um, I live off of, uh, trying to say, say which street without kinsmen. I live off kinsmen. If you know anything about that, yeah it's been in union. Yeah. you Over in East Cleveland. So lots of, uh, lots of gunshots tonight, you know, lots of gunshots during the day. It happens, but
01:05:40
Speaker
like I've never actually i person never had an issue in my neighborhood, you know, go into the gas station or go into the, uh, to the equipment up the street to get some food at night or something like that. I've never had any real issues because I'm on my own business. Uh, I don't mess with other people and I just am respectful. I mean, I'm not in public, you know, if you go out looking for trouble, you gotta find trouble and there' I found that in in all of Cleveland general, like there is really is a lot of amazing things that we have here. There's a lot of cool sites to go see. ah There's a million different places to film, not just the Rockwell Hall of Fame, not just Lakewood Park, not just the, we we got like a submarine here or like ah like a little maybe section yeah by the rock hall that we drove past. We got to check that out sometime. ah We got the the space center. We have amazing restaurants. We have the flats. You know, there's just so many cool places. We have all of the Metro parks, which,
01:06:31
Speaker
I get a bit pet peevee about the Metro Parks. We do have a photo shoot coming up that we are going to do in the woods and I'm only allowing it because Cody's idea for it I thought was very creative and it will it will be different from what I don't like. What I don't like and the reason why we have the photo shoots that we do is because I feel like photo shoots are a huge part of the band's image. I feel like it's a great way to tell a story, keep people updated without having to make a video explaining it or having to put out music a whole lot, like put out a song every week kind of thing. It's a great way to keep people engaged and keep yourself creatively motivated and lubricated.
01:07:14
Speaker
And it just it always kills me to see these bands who are so amazingly talented, and they have such a cool image. They have like they have the outfits, they have the attitude and everything. yeah And then the photo shoot is just four assholes standing like this in the woods or in an abandoned building. It's just four guys, just me mugging the mic. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, puppy. Oh, jeez. I saw my arm down. I scared him.
01:07:42
Speaker
ah But yeah, and so like it just it just kills me to see because it's the same thing and it's through every level. It's local bands. It's national bands. It's world touring bands. it It's just all bands. They all have that same fucking photo again and again and again. And so one thing I told Cody was like no abandoned buildings and nothing in the woods unless it it is very original. It's very creative.
01:08:04
Speaker
And it has very little to do with the actual background. And that's what he came up with. He found a scene that does look stunning, especially with the snow. And he's like, let's dress up like this and let's do it this way. I was like, all right, that's pretty awesome. We can do that. Don't give out too much of it now, Gavin. I mean, I have been known to get all kinds of exclusives and tea on this here show uh you know so no i will say i'm sure yeah i i do want to say you know you guys do some cool photography obviously i have the background i'm assuming that's that's on the lake or in the lake yeah yeah that's like hearing that was um yeah that was like a week before it froze over to that water was fucking i was gonna ask you guys when you had that doug because
01:08:53
Speaker
Did you see the photo where he's laying in it? Like he is absolutely, I couldn't believe it. Like as soon as he got in it and we had Sean the photographer take the photo, Gavin's like, how do you get over here? Just that aggressive man. I couldn't believe he actually did it.
01:09:09
Speaker
ah was off and I went straight from that to a vocal lesson. um I had a lesson with ah David Benitez of the band's Renaissance. He was doing a VIP vocal lesson before his concert in Lakewood at the at the boundary. And he actually, he's the one who taught me how to do false chords. So the false chords you hear me doing on More Than Worth It, that's the first time, bless you, that's the first time that I've ever done false chords on a record.
01:09:35
Speaker
And I learned how to do them like two months prior and just practice every, every single day to get it down. Cause I knew I wanted them on that track. So I had to show up to meet this dude to learn this new skill and freezing cold, soaking wet Lake Erie water underwear. and it's worst part of a be and Let's be honest Lake Erie water. That's why I said Lake Erie water, disgusting, different kind of water.
01:10:00
Speaker
it is It is a different monster, that is for sure. I want a story though, man. I mean, just the um the crazy, I shouldn't say crazy, but the fun stories that Gavin and I have from this project and all of them are just completely unscripted. It's just us living our lives every single day and just the craziest thing that's happened. Like like the the bus that came around during one of the photo shoots. I'll have him tell it. Did you see that video? I have. I was going to say, i know I might have. I know I was scrolling and looking at stuff.
01:10:30
Speaker
we were shooting this was we had just gotten ah the track for more than worth it not the final mix, but we had the song and so i got we wanted to get together to do do videos and just do a a what what that it's two um a batch, a batch content day. So we went to a couple of different locations. We went to the Cleveland sign, we went to the Rockwell Hall of Fame, we went to the graffiti wall to shoot video of us performing the songs to post on social media and to advertise for it. While we're at the Cleveland Center, first destination, the Funny Bus pulls up. I don't know what the hell it is. It's a comedy bus. Never seen it before. The Funny Bus Cleveland pulls up and all these people get out and they're looking at us like, Oh, look at they're all dressed up. They get it's hard. Who are you guys? But we tell them like, Oh yeah, we're, we're kissing a little, we got the song coming out right now. We got a song out right now. Like, Oh, can we take a picture with you? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So you take a picture together and the bus driver pulls me. It was like, Hey, what's the guy's name again? Oh yeah. No, I'll check you guys out for sure. We're getting ready to walk back to the car to switch outfits to keep shooting. And I hear our song on the fucking bus.
01:11:30
Speaker
And I have a microphone in hand with a cord on it and I grab my phone like put on the camera I run onto the bus and I just start belting out lipstick and gasoline because there's a blast on there and everybody's losing their goddamn minds they're going crazy and I found it there's probably like 25 maybe 30 people on this bus but the authentic feeling of excitement and just how spontaneous it was like I'm getting uh goosebumps right now just thinking about it and i screaming i'm i'm doing power slides i'm doing doing the wide stand everything jack black taught me in the school will walk i'm throwing it down all right like gone crazy on this bus and we get off and i just look at cody and he looks at me and i'm like
01:12:16
Speaker
fuck did that just really happen are you kidding me and then the way the footage looks awesome uh posted it on on our social media it did about as well as all the other uh things we post with all honesty but the memory of it and the feeling of just capturing that, that crowd right there who one, we would never expect to be a target audience. You know, it was just like, if you just picked a random 30 people out of Cleveland from like some young college kids to middle aged soccer moms and them all just going insane while I'm doing this, which was an unforgettable feeling. Nice. Yeah, that's, that's awesome. There's this, there's, there's unscripted type spontaneous moments like unplanned. It's just,
01:13:03
Speaker
And you having the balls to just go with it. Yeah, you have to. This is my moment, man. Opportunity did not knock twice, man. And that's the greatest thing about the two of us is that when something just pops up in front of us, he'll look at me. I'll look at him and say, it's not going to happen again. And it's just the amount of opportunities that we get just because we're willing to try different things.
01:13:28
Speaker
It's, that's what keeps opening up doors for us. We very rarely say no, unless it's something really, you know, honestly, I don't think we should know anything. We're just so open to opportunities because why not? You're only on the rock once, man. You're only on the earth once. Why not have the opportunity to try? Yeah, well, I was happy to try something, you know, uh, and even like two for a little backstory. So I posted, uh, promoting lipstick, guessing, I posted, Hey, if we get a thousand likes on this post,
01:13:56
Speaker
I'll go skydiving and i'll I'll do it skydiving. And I wasn't going to, I didn't promote the thing at all or anything like that. You know, I just, cause I want to try to get that really organic region, see what I can do. I can truly mess with the algorithm. and And then I posted, Oh, if we get this many followers, you know, I'll go skydiving. And eventually we hit one of the goals and I did it skydiving.
01:14:16
Speaker
And I, I got thrown out of a plane, um, and I'm singing the song into in the video. We got a couple of videos, but something thrown out and think throw out a playing, I'm singing the song two miles in the sky, did a halo jump. So I did a full minute of free fall before we pulled the parachute. And in all honesty, the bus was 10 times more exciting to me than jumping out of the plane. You, you, you had a, you had a 100% just.
01:14:44
Speaker
You just had an audience playing in your lap, man. Yeah. Yeah. And then they did they were, you know, they were playing your song. So yeah. And I, I, I'm a type of guy where I don't believe in waiting for opportunity to come back. I'm going to kick opportunities, Dorian. I'm getting to some bitch off the hinges. If I, if I get a feeling about something or.
01:15:04
Speaker
I think something's going to be good or whatever. I'm, I'm kicking the door off the hinges. You're not knocking. I'm coming in full, full slot. I'm going to try to the radiator and throw it in a cage in my basement or something. I don't know, but yeah, no, that's, that's, that's, that's awesome about you guys.
01:15:22
Speaker
um that you that you have that type of personality where you're just like, fuck it. And I was going to say with the photo shoots, man, the photos are cool. And and I appreciate them on a different level. Not only are they cool, but it makes my life easier because I like to put a photo of the artist behind me. I like to do a little, a little post on social media and whatnot.
Creative Philosophy and Opportunities
01:15:45
Speaker
And you, it would, you'd be surprised at how many artists don't do photo shoots and they just post snippets of their, so I've got to like do like a screenshot and try to get this like perfect moment in a video to where it's not blurry or they're not like caught looking, you know, like, so, and it was hard for me to find a picture that I liked too. So.
01:16:05
Speaker
Um, I know you guys got your Facebook picture. I think that's a really cool picture. You guys, your, your, your cover photo. Oh yeah. And then there was a couple on that at the lake and I was like, these are just fucking cool pictures, man. And just do the pictures. You guys can tell that you guys like that fun and you're spontaneous because.
01:16:23
Speaker
Yeah, well, it takes a lot to get into Lake Erie and willingly. Yeah, yeah, oh my God. good Yeah, it's gross, Lake Erie. I mean, it's all art, because it's not just the music for us. it is It is the images, the experience. It is trying to keep in mind the audience as well, and not even just the audiences and people listening to our music for our Facebook. like People like the audience like you, who When we come onto your show, we want to make things as easy as possible for you. But we also want to have fun. And what some of you do we can do awesome photo shoots. So that way you have content, you have things that you can talk about to us. ah you know I did podcast interviews all throughout COVID. I had a morning talk show.
01:17:06
Speaker
And one of my biggest pet peeves was getting my guest, and the day before, em or the week before, however long, I was like, oh, I got this guest. And then there's nothing I could find on them. And so I had to pull questions out of my ass, or I just had to make up stuff on the fly, or or I had to like really struggle through conversation when they would just give me like very yeah kind of answers.
01:17:28
Speaker
You know, I've had I've had a couple like that. And and I will. And I will. not And we still had a great time. We saw a great interview. They were just so new to the music scene and doing social media. There's just nothing there. And it's like, yeah. And then when you would go look on there, like go to look for music to play, you know, they're promoting these new songs, but they don't have them anywhere. They just have these songs that are three, four years old on like YouTube and stuff. And it's like,
01:17:58
Speaker
and then And then I play and they're like, Oh wow, that's old. Oh man. I'm like, well, yeah, you didn't have anything. I mean, at the end of the day, if you want to be a successful artist, uh, and I don't care if it is music, if it's painting, if it's photography, if it's poetry, if you want to be a successful artist in, in the definition of.
01:18:17
Speaker
people either looking and consuming your arts or purchasing your art or whatever it may be, make whatever goal you want people to do, whatever that call it actions, make it as easy as possible. Make it as easy as possible. Don't tell somebody, hey, yeah, go look, I want you to listen to my song. Go look it up. Get off of this map and go to YouTube and remember my name and the song and type it in and then look. No, send them a link. Hey, here's my song. Boom. One click away. Oh, easy.
01:18:47
Speaker
yeah All the time. yeah when whenever um Whenever we have musicians reach out to us and say, oh, yeah, i know I'd love for you to hear my music. i was so I would love to hear your music. If they don't send me a link, I sell them, send me a link. That's my way of trying to kind of hold their hand and show them, like especially new musicians, hold their hand, show them the etiquette of, hey, send me a link.
01:19:06
Speaker
because I don't want to tell you, I'm not going to listen to it if you don't send it to me. Because I will, if I have the time, I will go look it up and I will find it. I don't always, but I will go look to find it. But I know for a fact that if you do that to a radio, if you're trying to get on a radio station and if you tell them, hey, look up my song, if you'd like to put it on a radio, they're going to say, fuck you. They're going to say, this guy's an idiot. They might even blacklist you for it if they're a real dick about it.
01:19:33
Speaker
Well, and there's so many, and there's so many, uh, you know, there's bio link, there's link tree, you know, there's so many platforms or, you know, whatever you can use and we, we have one and it's got all are like good or bio link. And we put it in, we put it in all of our social media. I know you guys have done the same thing.
Promotion and Visibility Strategies
01:19:50
Speaker
It makes it so much easier just to be like, and one of the things that I just started doing like on our YouTube channel. Now, like I said, we have eight shows a week.
01:20:00
Speaker
I started putting them into playlists because um I've reached out to artists and they're like, oh well, let me go listen to a couple of your interviews or whatever. And it's like, okay, yeah, it's right there on our YouTube channel. And then I get to look and I'm like, oh God, we're doing eight shows a week. This is only one show out of the week. And if you go to our live section, they're all there. yeah But sometimes you got to scroll and really look for them. So I started putting them into playlists. Each show is starting to get its own individual playlist. to make This show was on Spotify, right?
01:20:28
Speaker
All of our shows are on Spotify. You know what you could do and on Spotify as well is you can make playlists that feature one or two songs from each band. So you can do it each month or something or like genres or something like that. That'd be a great way to engage with people. It's funny you bring that up because that brings me to a question that I always ask because I am i am a working on a Spotify just a minute. Just just one for right now. Then I'm going to break them up into genres and stuff like that. But as long as it's OK with you guys, I would like to add you to the playlist that I'm working on.
01:21:04
Speaker
Uh, with all my password all my past guests. So, I mean, that's the only music that's on there is former guests. Um, and then I want to do something where I do break it down in genres. I also want to do something just specifically for new music when new music is released that I can drop. And it's, and it's just dedicated to my guests. So there's no other, it's not like I'm going to slide in like.
01:21:25
Speaker
Zeppelin or Metallica or anything like that is 100% dedicated to you guys. You would be doing that art is such a favor by doing that. It really is. I don't think people realize how much that actually helps an artist. if you take If you take an artist's music and you put it into a custom playlist, especially one that you listen to a lot, if it's like a gym playlist or a playlist where you're cleaning the house or something like that,
01:21:46
Speaker
that boosts our algorithm tenfold. One of the most supportive things that you could do for a local artist is buy merch and put our music in a playlist that you'll listen to. see and and and And I learned that from a guest because again, I'm a little i'm a little I'm a little slow when it comes to some of these things, some of these platforms. I didn't know I could create a playlist on Spotify and share it to people. I'm like, God, if I'd have known that, I would have been doing that years ago because I listened to some, I mean, if I say so, I listened to some pretty kick-ass music. I got pretty good taste in music at the end of the day. ah You know, so like, and then and I was like, man, that's ah that's a hell of an idea. It's just a matter of finding the time to
01:22:32
Speaker
sit down and yeah look up all my guests, go through their music, add to music, because I don't want to just put their whole catalog on there. I want to put my favorite songs on there by the artist, you know what I mean? So, you know, you guys will definitely be on that list once it's completed and it'll be shared out onto our socials. It'll be added to yeah our bio link and all that stuff. So um that's that's just a working It's like a lot of things that I have going on. yeah I do all the behind the scenes stuff for for the network. I'm trying to unload my plate some, but that's. ah
01:23:08
Speaker
If you assholes are listening, you know that's a much harder task than I thought it was going to be. So I get it. too I get it. When we um we thought that ah TikTok was going to be banned, I went through and I downloaded all of our best performing TikTok videos. yeah And I spent an hour the night when it was banned for like 12 hours. um I spent the next day for an hour and a half uploading all of those videos to YouTube with new hashtags and captions and everything. And then I scheduled them out to release at 12 a.m. every day, all the way till March 18th. Nice. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, that's that's, you know, that's the only thing that is the consistency in staying on top of posting.
01:23:55
Speaker
and staying in the algorithm, keeping people's attentions, like you said earlier, beating them into submission, essentially, like, you're gonna watch us, you're gonna see us. There's nothing you can do about it. We're in your algorithm now, so. Yeah, and we're gonna keep, I mean, we've thrown in lipstick and gasoline for months, and we're gonna promote this song not quite as long, because we're going back into the studio in February, early February, we're going back to suited for the third song, but until then, we're gonna continue Promoting the hell out of this song more than worth it until we're ready to promote the next song Cody. Why are you juggling cats right now? i say when is who coming
01:24:32
Speaker
hops up this way gets on top of the piano and Okay, that is like the fourth i'm in the cats do you hang him cody too But only one is the sacrobatic the other one's a little fat i Yeah um what the fuck was I saying sorry Adam apologize social media something uh posting a lot uh high gap on the Yeah, you have a new song. be working out oh yeah using yes so in the meantime yeah We're just to promote the hell out of this song so that way even people who do know it, people who love it, people listen to it every single day um to the people that only hear us once in a while or are seeing us for the first time. So they just don't forget.
01:25:20
Speaker
You know, that's the other important thing. I feel like a lot of artists, they put out a song, they promote the hell out of it for a week and then they and then they don't talk about it again because they don't want they're worried about annoying the people on their feed. Who cares? That's why you have a band page and a personal page. there That's why you have social media. It's my world. I'm letting you live in it. Just um don't want people but to forget about you. Yeah. Like, well, my personal page, I rarely post about the band. Maybe maybe once every two weeks I'll share something from the band or I'll collaborate with myself from the band.
01:25:49
Speaker
to my personal page. Yeah. On the bad page, I'm posting every day. Yes. That's the point page. That's what it's for. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I, you know, as far as like, so i' Instagram, I never use my personal page. I have three pages on Instagram. We won't talk about the code one, but I have three pages on Instagram. My personal page I never use. I can't remember the last time I posted on my personal page. I think it had something to do with the podcast or the network or something. Um, I don't know. I was, I was, I was promoting my fiance's Um, she's, she's starting her own in home business doing, uh, the shirts and hoodies and cups and everything. You know, shoot. So, so I, she had made me a hoodie for the network and, um, I, I made a video shouting her out and I think I put that on my personal stuff, but it's not the hoodie you're wearing right now. Uh, this is actually, we just had, I just had her made this one. This was my glitz house and music one. Yeah. Uh,
01:26:46
Speaker
And then on the back, it's got nonsensical network. And then I have one that has the nonsensical network on the front with a logo that that I designed. And then on the back, it's got my catchphrase. I say at the end of every show is be good or be good at it. So we put that on the back of it. And we're working on some designs for all the shows.
01:27:05
Speaker
Um, I'll be rocking everything. You know, um I told the guys, I was like, if you want something, let me know. Uh, obviously you get the, uh, the company discount, but, uh, you know, um, but yeah, promoting her business and and she's become a part of the, become a ah part of the network with us because at the end of the day, she's going to do everything for us, the shirts and the hoodies and and cups and and whatnot. Um, I got a couple of cups I wanted to make me, uh,
01:27:34
Speaker
So, because um'm I always have something on my desk when I'm doing a show drinking. So, ah why not have a cup with my logo on it? That's beautiful that you both have your separate passions that you're able to find common ground to work together on.
01:27:49
Speaker
you know, like like my mom, fiance say she's a musician as well, but she does ah pop music, but she, she's asked me like, Hey, um, what is, like, could you help me out on this course for this melody or could you help me, uh, record this or figure this out with me? And like, she's like, she's always asking me questions that I'm asking her to, uh, for help here. And they're like, Hey, what's your opinion on these lyrics? What's your opinion on this melody that I'm doing? And it's, it's, it's really nice to have that, um, especially in your partner, have somebody that you can bounce those ideas back and forth with and work together with.
01:28:24
Speaker
I think we lost Glick. I think so too. I think you froze. No, Gavin, no. Oh, geez. It's just you and me, Cody. What do we got going on, Cody? We got nothing.
01:28:36
Speaker
Yeah, we we got stuff going on. Cody, got Billy Morris coming up soon. because we do Yes, what are we doing? i don't want I don't want to talk too much about that yet. I to talk about it so much. I know. I want to talk about it too, but I don't think we should talk about it yet. All right, fine. We won't talk about it yet, but we're going to be talking about it soon. We are going to Billy soon at um this Sunday. This Sunday?
01:29:02
Speaker
crazy. All right. What are we going to scooters? We're going to scooters, scoootter we can talk about. So that'd be wearing ninth through the 11th. Yeah, that's scooter. Allen is the owner of a rewire studio, which now it's gonna be own Yeah, it's his studio. Yeah. Okay. okay I thought he was an engineer. Is he? um um up I'm like 110% that it says. I'm going to go with what you're saying. Okay. I'm pretty sure because unless he's thought about it, I'm pretty sure it says either way. um He's in Cleveland. He used to be in Akron last time I recorded him. And last time I recorded him was with down distillation for our, um our EP. Hey, get back.
01:29:38
Speaker
Welcome back to our show. Sure. Don't worry, I took over. We're talking about next time we go into the studio. ah But yes, the last time I worked with Scooter Allen was when I was probably 18 years old. And um I'm just really so I'm so excited to work with him. I'm really excited because the last time I worked with him he took my vocals from here to here just because he was so familiar with the heavy and alternative genres and was able to explain to me how to sing in certain ways and get certain sounds that I wasn't able to prior to that. And he also was really great at sort of giving me the confidence that I needed to properly use my voice because Cody, you know that I'm a very loud person. I do have a very, yeah, just a little bit, just a bit. A little bit, a little bit.
01:30:25
Speaker
Yeah. yeah look I got some fun going there. oh like god here dr frank anderta I never knew I needed it in my life. I do a theatrical voice and you know I've always had that since I was in middle school and doing musical theater and plays and everything I was able to project very very loud and very effortlessly but it's for one of the reasons why I get in the studio and the microphones right there and I got the headphones on I got sheepish. yeah I had some awesome performance issues at at a young age. um well performance anxiety ah yeah Yeah, just a little bit of performance anxiety.
01:31:02
Speaker
and Oh yeah Natalie loves cats. okay um Scooter was really able to help me break out of that in the studio specifically, which took my recording process to a whole new level. He also, the guy that we recorded beforehand, it was like we would just run the song and run the song and run the song.
01:31:22
Speaker
and we do that like eight times and then we go through, we pick out the best parts and then we go through and we like clean up a little bit here and there where with Scooter it was a lot more of how you and I record now Cody where we'll just go through a section at a time and even those sections we break into sections so we'll do the first verse but we'll do like the first couple lines of the first verse and then we'll do the next part and the next part because in in the studio that's where perfection is and that's where we become perfectionists you know that's where like when Cody was saying whoever else joins the band needs to have the chops that's what it is it's in the studio they need to have the chops they need to be that Cuban metronome I mean well one thing Cody brought to my attention I realized we haven't quantized anything that we've recorded no not a single not single thing yet
01:32:07
Speaker
Yeah, everything has been on beats and has been where it needs to be as far as recording goes, which is just it's amazing. I didn't know that at all. I thought we were quantizing everything, apparently not. um So we need somebody to be on that level as well in the studio, because that's really where perfection needs to be. Now, on stage, that's performance.
01:32:29
Speaker
that's an experience, you know, that people are, if I want to hear something perfect, I will listen to
Live Shows and Performances
01:32:34
Speaker
the album. If I want to have a night to remember an experience, I'm going to a show and that's what I'm expecting and that's what we will be bringing when we do live shows. I want people to be talking about our shows for the next week, the next month, the next six months, even if it's just a small local show, our first show, I want people to be talking about, oh my God,
01:32:52
Speaker
did you see what kissing load did did you see see what the photographer wa see where he was hanging from did you see the the extras they had walki like we we have so many thi shows, even though it is so far down the road i have an equipment on my house where I'm building the merch table and I'm designing it a very specific way. I don't want to have the same bullshit $20 black Walmart flip table with the black one. I want our merch table to be a piece of art, everything about this this project.
01:33:26
Speaker
I want to have our personality put into it. So that way, no matter you're looking at at a t-shirt or an album cover or the shoes that we're wearing on stage, whatever you see, you're looking at like, that is them and that is kissing Lilith. No, 100% man. I mean, I, you know, I, I have never been the biggest kiss thing. And I use these guys for an example. No, no shade on the band. You know, Jean Simmons is a bit of a lunatic.
01:33:56
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But, uh, never really was a big kiss fan. There's a couple of songs that I like and they're like, probably I'm getting made fun of for liking these kiss songs, but, uh, it is what it is. Uh, but a buddy of mine in high school, he was a diehard kid man. He fucking loved kiss. And he was like, well, I got these tickets for a kiss, uh, psycho circus. This was at player's amphitheater down here in Columbus. And I'm like, I can think of about.
01:34:24
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a million other things I'd rather do than to go see Kiss, you know, but I went and my God, they put on a show. I mean, lasers and fire and the the outfits and it's just and um'm when I go to a concert, I like you said, man, I would much rather see a show. I don't care if you're I'm not that guy who's going to bust somebody's balls for lipstick. And if you put on a great show, hell yeah.
01:34:52
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fuck the rest. I'd go buy the album. You know what I mean? Absolutely. But that's just how much you'll always remember is the performance. You're not going to pay attention and be like, you know what? That bass player's tone just, it's not exactly like that. Like, who cares, dude? Who cares? You care about how the show made you feel. And that's the one thing that a lot of a lot of local bands that are trying to break into the national level they just don't get they're so worried about sounding so technical and so much like the album that they're just standing there and it's it's boring and you're like okay well and Gavin you've said it before I'd rather just go and sit at the bar and grab have a drink and just wa Yeah, absolutely. And for listening. If you're the g to go to shows just to cr the tone of the base or w
01:35:46
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thanks for buying a ticket and supporting us Yeah, that's really all I can say. Just thanks for that. Thanks for filming. A few years back, I got the opportunity to check a band off my bucket list that I didn't think I would ever get to. That being Guns N' Roses, they're one of my favorite rock bands all the time. I grew up in the 80s and 90s, loved me some Guns N' Roses.
01:36:13
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And they were at louder than life down in Louisville or um over lo yeah down in Louisville years back. I just moved back to Ohio and they announced the lineup and I was like, fuck it. I'm going the whole week and the whole lineup was great. And not to mention there was a bunch of small, you know how they do the side stages and stuff. There were some local bands that I had heard of and that i that I listened to come across them on YouTube or whatever. I was like, Oh cool. So-and-so is going to be there on the side. I'm going to go check them out. You know, so I was like, fuck it. I'm going, I'm going the whole four days, but.
01:36:43
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the experience of getting to see one of my favorite bands being Guns N' Roses. I didn't give a damn. And Axel was singing and he sounded great, but Axel was also still Axel, you know, and he's up there. He was running around the stage and he's being crazy and Slash is doing what Slash does. And it was such a phenomenal experience that I didn't care that you heard Axel's voice crack a couple times or that he got winded when he was singing. Or there was a few times where you heard, which is And it's a rarity, that and it's not really even something that you think about, but slash Mr. Note or something, because he was running across stage or whatever. you I didn't give a fuck, man. I'm seeing one of my favorite bands, and they're putting on a show that I never thought I would get to see, let alone yeah when they announced it. I still didn't think that it would be a live concert of what you used to see in the video footage of those guys doing their thing. And it was. It was everything I thought it would be, and I didn't didn't care about.
01:37:39
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anything else other than the fact that I'm here and Guns N Roses is on stage and I'm loving it. I got to see Ice Cube that weekend too, which I'm a huge fan of Ice Cube being an old school hip hop. And it was, saying and I was like, hell yeah, man. So many great bands, so many great performances. Yeah, man. If I go to a concert, I want to, I want to see a show. I, you know, I, yeah I was a staying fan until I seen them in concert. And this is back when they first came out and Aaron Lewis literally said, he's got up on stage and he just sang like this the whole time.
01:38:09
Speaker
Every single song he just didn't. Yeah, that's just a fun i've never gotten. But I see them at Louder Than Life. They were there and he had a totally different personality. And I was back in. um but I'm like, you got me back. He was having fun. I guess it was something that he was going through personally with the back in the day with the record label. And and yeah he wrote a song on his country album about it that they basically forced him to be something that he wasn't and he wasn't happy.
01:38:39
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Um, when he got released from that, when he was able to get released from that, that label, and he did a country album. He, he wrote a couple of songs where he broke down what was basically going on and where he was mentally in that time period and why he was doing the things that he was doing. And he was, they were a lot in life, Stane was there and it was like a totally different band. and It was like 180 man. eight They were having fun. Aaron Lewis was having fun. He was having a good time. So it was like, all right, I'm back. You brought me back. You know, because there was a good performance, but yeah, man, sometimes it comes down to that. You know, you want to see the theory.
01:39:14
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that but theatrical stuff you want to see you want to see you got hanging from the ceiling singing a freaking song you know like like this is what this is what i'm paying for you know and that's all we have like we we have plans we have plans for geysers and light shows and pyrotechnics and dancers and me being tied upside down and beaten with rubber chickens and baseball bats or whatever the i'm just making up shit now like like we we have We have ideas and we have plans to make it an event that people will feel like not only they want to be there, but they need to be there. but Yeah. I think even before that, before we even get up to all the big stuff, i want the you know when the band is finalized and there's the four of us, I just want the shows to be incredible. just If you were to see us in a basement, I want us to be the band that you go and tell your friends, oh, wow, they should be playing in a place way bigger than a basement.
01:40:12
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Not that we would have to, but you know what I'm saying? like When it's just four guys in a room and they have that kind of energy, you can you can tell. And when it's on stage, you can see it. Because if you go and see a band and they're all just standing around just playing the songs, you're not going to go and tell your friends, check these guys out. But if you have four dudes that are just in sync and absolutely killing it and they look like they want to be there and they have all the energy in the world,
01:40:35
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And you can tell it's like, OK, well, these are the guys. And once the extra stuff comes on, then that's where the whole experience comes. But it all is going to start with just us. And that is my biggest thing that I want out of this band, is when you come and see us, it doesn't matter if we're sitting standing on wood pallets or if we're at the House of Blues, you get to see yeah Kiss Lilith, and you're going to be blown away by the entire experience. No, yeah. there was I went a couple of years ago, one of one of my favorite bands. They were they were in Columbus. They're friends of the network. we but we When we first started, I reached out and and we were we we were playing their music for a very long time here. And they had an opening act. And this kid, the the lead singer, just blew me away. And I i got to talk to him after i got talk to him after the show and everything like that.
01:41:25
Speaker
And, um, and I told him, I was like, you, you, you are this generation's David Lee Roth. Well, then a couple of weeks later, you know, that he hit me up on, on Snapchat. He was like, uh, yo, we're playing this bar in, uh, Sinterberg quote unquote, technically my hometown. It's a little podunk ass town in the middle of Knox County. Right. And he's like, you ever heard of it? And I'm like, yeah, that's where I'm from. He's like, you know, this bar? I'm like, yeah, yeah. He said, be really cool. If you come out, man. Hell yeah. I got you guys driving out and I get out there and and There might have been.
01:41:57
Speaker
There might've been 30 people there, but they were playing like they were in front of a sold out stadium with 30,000 people there, man. yeah The lead singer was running around the bar singing and dancing. He coming up to, you know, like he came up to me multiple times and we were singing together and I'm not a singer by no means. This is why I do podcasting because, i but we were singing together. Uh, you know, he was just having a blast and and that's, that's cool. That's, that's a fun energy. You know, like you said, it doesn't matter if you're in the basement or where you're at and they had that energy. Unfortunately, the band's no longer together.
01:42:26
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they're all doing different projects and stuff like that. But that's cool. you know that you know it's Sometimes you see artists and you see them on so social media and you're like, yeah, these guys would be cool. But then you go see them at a show and it's just like.
01:42:42
Speaker
Where's all that energy that was in social media? You got me here. you know I seen you on social. you Where's that energy at? Now I feel like I just wasted my time and energy coming out here. If you were to come to one of our shows, I would never want you to leave being like... ah like that was and And I'll tell you now, when you guys have that first show, you let me know and I'll do my damnedest to be there.
01:43:08
Speaker
This year, one of the things we're doing, I was talking to my fiance, I said, the artists that I interview, I think if they're playing a show within two to three hours of us. I think think I'm going to start trying to go as much as we can. Obviously that depends on my schedule with the kids and whatnot because I have my kids a week on and a week off. But I was like, if it's a weekend where the kids aren't here, then it's we just did one this weekend. We just went to Indiana to see one of my former guests and and and good friend of mine. hes he's become a very good ah He's basically like a little brother at this point.
01:43:40
Speaker
We went to Indiana for the weekend to see him do ah an acoustic show in a hole in a wall bar at his hometown just to be there to support him. And that's just the next level of me showing that I want to support you guys and in the and and the artists that are coming up. Like, look, if if you're within two or three hours of where I live, I'm going to be there.
01:43:58
Speaker
If I can be there, I'm in the house. So I'm going to be posted on social media too while I'm there. So go ahead and you might as well just know that I'm going to be posted on social media when I'm there. so but But that's just another level of support. and think and And I love music, but I love local music more than I love the mainstream music. um all about so I always have been. I'd much rather go to a local bar and see you know, a bunch of guys having fun just coming up, just getting started as opposed to spending $600 and going to see, you know, some Metallica. I wouldn't pay a dollar to see Metallica, but that's neither here nor there. But that's just, that's just me. That's all right. i yeah, a huge Metallica groupie, like a lot of people are. I don't like Metallica at all. I,
01:44:54
Speaker
I like their old stuff. I like their old stuff. and And I'm that guy who says Metallica sold out and their music went to crap after the Black album. So the way that I am about it is, because I do agree with you to some extent, um I appreciate what they did for the genre and the music community. And like another reason why why Primus exists, because late Les Claypool went to Audition Metallica and they told him, you're way too good to be in this band. We're going to help you with your own project. You know, like they they did amazing things.
01:45:27
Speaker
But I will never go out of my way to listen to Metallica. I will never go out, I will never be like, you know what I need to listen to right now at the gym? Metallica. And like, or what I'm like, I'm riding my motorcycle on every like, you know what I need to listen to right now? One. Like that, that will never happen for me just because ah there's other things that I think are significantly more interesting to listen to.
01:45:48
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Yeah, and I know. it out i So successful metal band, you know, in the world, I cannot deny that at all. I cannot deny the success of the town at all. But they're also just off of me. I don't think that they are the greatest band in the world. No, I'm also I'm also a bigger fan of like Iron Maiden and Megadeth. I saw Iron Maiden live for the Book of Souls tour, and that was fucking amazing. Unbelievable.
01:46:18
Speaker
uh yeah it that's just me and you know but i it's just man and then the whole like master thing and there's just there's just there's a lot of the reasons why i don't like the towers over can put a bad taste in people's mouth but i will say as far as like metal shows go dude i'm with the on maiden you don't even have to like iron maiden but if you go see iron maiden live you're gonna be like It's insane. I saw them with Dream Theater and Dream Theater was opening for them. And I didn't know who Dream Theater was at the moment. Realizing that John Petrucci is one of the best guitar players in the world. And when they left the stage, I'm like, oh, they're pretty good. Me being like 15 years old, not getting it yet. I'm like, oh, they're pretty good. But I'll be honest, they were boring. They are the best musicians in the world. But when they were done, I'm like, oh, that was cool. I'm glad that Iron Maiden gave those guys a chance, not realizing.
01:47:09
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yeah the na goes on And you're just like, whoa. Like they had the giant Eddie Zombie walking around on stilts. They weren't able to have pyrotechnics because it was at Blossom Music Center, but they had everything else. And you're just sitting there as like a 15-year-old, you're like, that's the, it's the coolest show in the world.
01:47:30
Speaker
It's just, they got the, they have the nice balance between being world-class musicians and a world-class actual performance and they just, they kill it every time. They're fantastic. That that blossom venue is is is nice. I got to go there for the first time last year, the year before. Really, never been there before. My Fiancé is a huge Jelly Roll thing.
01:47:56
Speaker
Oh, okay. Nice. That would be a cool show to see. So I went to Blossom to see Korn. Okay, nice. I was Korn enough in the sense that I was disappointed because I know there's no moshing at Blossom. And that that killed half the experience. I've seen Korn probably four times now, and that was the only time that I've never moshed to Korn, and that was disappointing. But then my fiance told me to go see Lord of the Rings with the live orchestra, and that was unbelievable.
01:48:26
Speaker
No, I got, I don't know how many times, I've seen Korn a couple of times. we We used to go to the Polaris Amphitheater and and we used to go to like the Family Values Tour every year. And we'd go to like the Bands Warped Tour every year, Oz Fest. And I was seeing bands like, I was like, but like seeing Avril Lavigne at bands and I'm like,
01:48:53
Speaker
I'm too cool to listen to Avril Lavigne and then I'm like, she's actually really fucking cute. And she can sit too. I'm an Avril Lavigne fan. you so ah But yeah, I love those outdoor venues. Unfortunately, a lot of they did just move it to ah another venue because they had to shut down Polaris a few years ago because I don't know, we're going to put a concert venue outdoors and then we're going to, and then five years later, we're going to build a suburb around it.
01:49:20
Speaker
because that's a good idea. Oh, so instantly, as soon as people started moving in, started bitching about the amphitheater. It's just like, you got to be kidding me, which is insane. Why would you move next to a and why would you move next to the amphitheater? Yeah. Not being aware that it's the fucking amphitheater. You know what happens at amphitheater concerts? Yeah. Yeah. That's like moving next to the ocean and being pissed that it smells like seawater all the time. Yeah.
01:49:51
Speaker
Exactly. But people aren't too bright these days, so. yeah oh I got to ask you guys, it this is something I've been curious about because the nerd in me went to went two different directions. ah Kissing Will, where did the name come from? Because like I said, the nerd in me went one way, went true blood, the OG vampire. And the other one went the white eyed demon and supernatural.
01:50:20
Speaker
Oh, nice, nice, nice.
Band Name and Identity
01:50:22
Speaker
So actually, so the name Kissing, like this this is one of the questions that always comes up, people know about the name, which I'm very flat about, because I'm the one who came up with the name, and I like that it's it's so much attention and curiosity. um So it actually comes from the the the mythical character of Lilith, or the the original Eve, is where the name itself comes from. And then the meaning behind it is The fact that we we are all, and i'm not I'm not a Christian, I'm not a religious man, but I do enjoy studying religions of all all sorts. Christianity has to be the most popular here in America, so that's the one that I have most of my attention to. ah I do believe that we are born into sin and into chaos, and I think that that's the natural state of the world. you know if you look at
01:51:12
Speaker
any anything that is alive other than people. We got out of the food chain, which is an insane thing to think about. like you You never go into work, you're like, oh, what happened to Terry? He got taken away by a fucking leopard. like That doesn't happen, at least not in most places. um But if you look in the animal kingdom, it's it's chaos. It's things eating things all the time. it's It's horrible things happening all around us. And we have to choose if, when horrible things happen to us,
01:51:38
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If it's going to make us weak or strong, if it's going to make us good or evil, how do we respond to it? Do we respond or do we react to it? What happens when we are given success? What happens when we have to go through failure?
01:51:52
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and i've really really resonate with with the character of Lilith and taking that story and transferring that into the meaning of no matter what happens, we can still determine what our future is going to be. We can still determine if we can be positive people. we can still We can have our backbone and say no without hurting others. you know you You can stand your ground. You can be more than worth it. You can You can and you do deserve happiness regardless of if you've done bad things, regardless of if you've had bad things done to you. You don't let that trauma define you. It shapes you naturally. There's nothing you can do about that. We are a product of our childhood trauma and reward, but we can acknowledge that and we can grow from it. ah The name itself of Kissing Loathe
01:52:46
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it It derives from that and then it' also it had to be two different things. um I wanted something that was going to be sexy, ah dangerous, catchy that would fit the genre of music that we were going to be playing. And then and the number one thing actually, the thing that I always think about when I'm ever trying to think of a band name is is it something that I can easily imagine on a billboard ah talked on the radio on a lineup of other bands on on a set list you know I can imagine so clearly in my head are you going to go to the concert this weekend I don't know who's playing oh it's going to be it's going to be uh falling in reverse the in this moment, kissing Lilith and a day to remember. Oh, that sounds like a fucking awesome concert. Absolutely. But how much resistance? I can imagine that so crystal clearly in my mind. It just sounds completely natural being associated with bands of that level. You know, it doesn't sound like some bullshit that someone scribbled down on a napkin because someone asked, oh, what are we going to call ourselves?
01:53:53
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We don't know. Let's figure it out right now. And they just put down the first thing they thought of. And I'm just talking to Cody again. I got it. Or talking to the audience too. ah that people listening speak so that That's really what I wanted the the the name to be. I wanted it to be something that I could very easily imagine being successful, being a successful name.
01:54:14
Speaker
I wanted it to be something that I felt people could resonate with, that had emotion and power behind the name, and that I wanted it to be something that had a personal meaning to me, and then something that could be a personal meaning to other people, have a message that people could grab onto. My band name was Poop Splash. Fantastic. And you know what's funny about marketing? You could probably make a band called Poop Splash. And if you had the right marketing and the right look, it would be unbelievably successful. Oh, yeah. Probably more than you could. Probably more. Yeah. Salad Fingers is a great example of that. Insane thing. Very successful video. Weird video on YouTube. Yeah, no. And that's like you were saying, man.
01:55:03
Speaker
ah Kiss and Will, it does. I mean, it really does. It's one of those names that you expect to see it at Louder Than Life or Rock on the Rain or whatever the hell they're called. Sonic Temple yeah and Incarnation and stuff. Like you expect to see to hear that that that band name at one of those festivals, you know, because it just goes with the with the flow of everything. It's a cool ass fucking name. Like I said, the nerd of me went to those two television shows. But that character is based off of Well, yeah you know, they're just, what's that? Oh, so it's good that it's thought provoking though. Yeah.
01:55:43
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yeah and Yeah, and I know it's a little controversial. It's a little controversial too. I know that there's going to be people who have issues. Like I've already had people ask me like, Oh, is your band a Satanist band? Are you, are you anti-religion and this and that? I'm like, no, that, that is very, actually very little to do with what we're doing. Because even though the name is based off of a fictional religious character, it has very little to do with the religious aspects of the lore. And yeah, more has to do with the, the emotional aspect of it and the spiritual aspect of it.
01:56:14
Speaker
Plus it's a kick-ass name. Get over it. It is. It is. It is a cool name. I came up with probably probably like 15 or 20 names. And that was the first one I came up with. And I sent a list. I sent this list so to a bunch of people that I thought would be our target audience who would look like us and who would look like the people that we imagined in the crowd. yeah And almost every one of them. I just said, hey, tell me which of these names you like. I didn't say a specific one. I didn't say just name one. I said, just give me a list of the ones you were like. And almost every list had Kissing Wolf in it.
01:56:45
Speaker
Nice. I'm sure i not I don't match your targeted demographic, you know, as far as looks and appearance, because I am a i am a giant Sasquatch. I'm a big old country pumpkin, but i will I will definitely stand out in a crowd when you guys do your show and I'm there. I will probably not want to be there. I that you would match very well with the crowd. I think because everybody thus far has enjoyed the music because Well, I mean, yeah, I guess we have a target. But we focus on writing good music first, and people that enjoy well-written songs are going to resonate with it, whether they realize what we're all about or not. ah So with with with the style of music you guys are in, with the heavy metal, of the rock scene, the alternative, whatnot, being a positive force, do you find that
01:57:42
Speaker
difficult or or is it you know kind of are you are you kind of i'm trying to think of it correct do people kind of look at you weird when you say you know were we're spreading positivity but this is our style of music because you know for so many years obviously heavy metal has been associated one way you know so yeah so i think on the surface level it sounds very strange because usually especially to people who don't listen to metal uh and don't listen to have your alternatives you know and when they when they hear it they just think of
01:58:16
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Like they just think like very like aggressive, you know, and they're like, oh, clearly we're talking about blood, death and, and, and hate and Satan and all this, like all all kinds of shit. Um, this time on negativity, but for us to know what we don't see it as, at least when I'm writing the lyrics, I don't find it
Therapeutic Themes in Music
01:58:32
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difficult. to I find it because I treat it as, as therapy. I treat it as a therapeutic thing where our songs are positive, but they're not happy.
01:58:44
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Yeah, in the sense of like more than worth it, so you know, it's not talking about half things. It's talking about doubting myself. It's talking about being told that I'm not good enough. it's It's talking about being cast aside. But it's positive in the sense of it's me saying fuck that.
01:59:02
Speaker
I will rise above this and I'm going to be more successful than anybody who ever doubted me would ever imagine that they could be successful. That that is what that song is saying. It's a very positive, powerful message, but it's not a happy song. um Lipstick and gasoline is ah is about a an extremely toxic and abusive relationship that I was in.
01:59:25
Speaker
And it's it's not a happy song. But the story about the story behind it ends up being positive because I was able to get out of that relationship. I was able to heal from it. My life right now is the best that it's ever been in all honesty. I'm the happiest. I'm the most stable that I've ever been in my life. And like I said earlier, I live in one of the worst neighborhoods in Cleveland. and it wasn't But that doesn't affect me at all because I'm surrounded by people that I love. I have ah financial stability, I have emotional stability. I'm able to express my passions. i'm I'm physically in good health. I'm mentally in good health. Like I was able to work beforehand, you know, that relationship I was in, I was only allowed to do whatever I could do with her. If I if i had to go somewhere, she couldn't go and then I couldn't go.
02:00:14
Speaker
you know If I had to do something without her, it was the end of the world where I was cutting off friends and family. I was neglecting myself. I was i didn't have any time for myself. And so even though that's not a happy song, there's a positive message hidden in it to get out of it. The next song is We're Green On Now. They're about self-doubt. They're about self-destruction, where you know I am in this amazing position in life. And it's not like I have you know all the money in the world. is I'm not living in like a mansion or anything like that. But I have a woman who loves me. I have friends who love me. I have a band that I'm so passionate about. I have jobs that I really love and enjoy doing.
02:00:55
Speaker
But there's a part inside of me that says, throw it all away because I don't deserve it because I didn't earn it. And it's a little subconscious voice. I talked about this in the last podcast and I'm sure I'll talk about it again because it's a running theme in my life. And for the first time, I'm really fighting against it and I'm winning. And it's it's a very strange thing that I have to be conscious about.
02:01:17
Speaker
Constantly and so that's why I'm writing about it for for the next song or two is um is saying, you know I do deserve to be happy I do deserve to have progress in my life because of how I'm living my life i' that like It's it's uh, it's uh I feel like you're in my head just stealing my own, like saying the things that I don't say a whole lot right now. Yeah. Well, I feel like unfortunately it's a thing a lot of people don't say. I feel like a lot of people, I feel like most people don't say that they deserve to be happy.
02:01:52
Speaker
and they they deserve to um they deserve to have progress in their life. you know like like You deserve that progress. Cody, you deserve to be happy. The people watching right now, you do deserve that. If you are waking up each day and putting in the work, and it doesn't have to be moving mountains every day, you I try to improve 1% each day. that That's it. That's 365% a year. That is a life-changing amount of progress.
02:02:17
Speaker
just by improving 1% each day. And that's really all you have to do. And you do deserve to have that progress. And I think we need to remind ourselves of that. I, um, not quite a year ago, I started a show on your men's men caring for men, some men's mental health podcast. And I opened up a lot. Um, I opened up a lot about, uh, you know, going through the divorce, a couple of f relationships I had, you know, the constant battles and,
02:02:46
Speaker
and just being my own worst enemy and and in the journey to healing that I personally have been on the last five, six years, and where I am today compared to where I was even just two years ago. And the fact that, you know, I made a lot of tough choices, but my circle got real small, but my life got a lot better, you know, yeah and finding that you know my fiance who is just amazing. She's an amazing woman. i mean she She really puts up with a lot, especially with me doing podcasting and whatnot. She knows it's my dream and she's very supportive of it. um But also, she just lets me be me. I was just talking to a friend the other day about it. like I am goofy 24 seven. I'm a big dumb animal. I just say and do the most random, absurd shit.
02:03:35
Speaker
And she loves it. Like one of her favorite things to do is a Saturday night after we get done doing on our six hour show and I've been drinking is to sit out there and watch the show called Naked Attraction on HBO. yeah Okay. It's a dating show, but they're fully nude. I've seen that. I've seen that show. Yes. its really show us the That's British. Yes.
02:04:00
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is because i'm I'm usually pretty feeling pretty damn good after a show and drinking. And I commentate. And she just wants to hear me do commentary on the show. She's like, well, I'm out there. She said, yeah, she's like, get you another beer, get you something to eat. I'm turning on Naked Attraction. And she just, yeah she only paid out six and so. She just sits there and just listens to me commentating and it put my two cents into everything. And I love that.
02:04:28
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That's a guilty pleasure of mine is those awful dating shows. I love them. I don't know why. Like Naked Attraction, Dating Naked, um Love Island, Love Is Blind. Like I don't know why. Not The Bachelor. Never Gotten To The Bachelor. Never Gotten To That or anything. But like just the one, the dating shows with the crazy concepts. Love At First Sight where they get married that day. That's her. those show yeah no ah She loves all those shows and I get out there and I'm like really like,
02:04:58
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She did get me, she did get me suckered into one. I can't remember what it was. Maybe it was that love it for, but they had them like cubicles or something. Yeah. Yeah. Um, the love is blind and she got me on the dates and then they get married like two weeks later. Yeah. Yeah. She got me sucked into one season of that because there was a guy on there again.
02:05:20
Speaker
I'm a huge sports fan. I love football. It pains me to say this, but I am a diehard Cleveland Browns fan. I've got a jersey. I've got some of the jerseys in my closet. My oldest one goes all the way back to 1992. Yeah, so but there was a guy on there that looked like a nerdy Miles Garrett. And I was like, I like this dude. He's cool and I like the girl that he wound up hooking up with and they did get married. So I got sucked into that season, but the whole time I'm like.
02:05:50
Speaker
why why why Why? She loves that trashy reality dating shows, man. She lives with it. Yeah. And I just, think I can't understand them, man. I'm like, I can't do it. I don't know. I don't know what the, what you but the naked attraction is one that that that we we have fun watching together just because it's just like so, right? British people are so weird. It's a crazy experience.
02:06:17
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but uh yeah that's that's you know that's that's cool with you know you you write from personal experiences and whatnot and you write from the heart man and like i said it really is what you were just saying is like damn the last couple years this is the journey that i've been going through and reminded myself like you know i've always been like when things are going good I'm always cautious, like waiting for that other foot to drop or waiting for that kick in the dick. You know what I mean? yeah But now I'm not, now I'm just like, this is, this is, this is what living's like. Like this is, this is, I've got a good life right now, man. I mean, might not have all the money and stuff that I used to have. It might not be, you know, but mentally I'm wealthy now. I still have my, my struggles from time to time personally, like we all do.
02:07:08
Speaker
Mentally, I'm wealthy and I'm happy. And it's just like, I can dig this. you I don't think about when's when when's the kick in the dick going to come? you know like When's that day going to happen or anything like that? So i definitely get I can definitely get with you on the um on songs and what you write and stuff like that. That is cool.
02:07:29
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ah Do you guys have, and I know you said it's down the road, but do you have plans or is there any every place in particular like you would love to play? It doesn't necessarily have to be like a big monster ah venue or a music festival, but and like is there any place out you know back home that you're like, man, I hope we get to play there one day. Is there is there one of those spots like that?
02:07:54
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So the one that's on my bucket list would be the House of Blues. so and just opening up for an actual like national act that I really care about. It's one thing when you play the Cambridge Room there, like that's that's cool. And I shouldn't undermine that as ah as an accomplishment, but there's something about playing main stage on an actual bill instead of just some local showcase that has always been a personal goal of mine. And I've played shows at places bigger than the House of Blues, but there's something
02:08:27
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regal and professional about the House of Blues that just screams, okay, you guys have you guys have done it now. This is where you move to the next step. So that's my personal goal with this band is to play um House of Blues. And I think once that happens, that'll open up so many doors for us. i It's been a dream of mine since I've been about 17. So that to me is the big one.
02:08:52
Speaker
yes i me definitely the House of blues and then I would love to play a show out of state it doesn't need it get you to be a little rinky deepk but i would just love to properly get out of state and plan a show And then as far as a big one goes, incarceration. we We will play incarceration. I'm saying that, I keep saying that, that is in fact, that is that is something, it is a goal of mine that is so unbelievably clear and focused on in my head. I cannot promise which year it will be, but I can promise that we will play incarceration.
02:09:30
Speaker
Well, maybe I'll wait to go until you guys are there that I keep saying I want to go. I've been to, um I've been to louder than life. I've been to, you know, it used to be rock on the range and then it switched over to Sonic temple. I've been to that. I've never been to incarnation or, you know, and I want to, uh, so I'll have to, I'll have to hold out until you guys get there. And then I'll not only come and see, you know, come see the shows and all that, but I'll swing into one of the tattoo parlors and be like, I need to kiss a little tattoo. That would be insane. There was a fan that does have a kissing little tattoo. Our friend JoJo Hamilton, she did, I believe she's in Scotland right now. She did get a kissing little tattoo on her arm. It's pretty amazing seeing our art on someone's body permanently. That is cool. I see you guys got the merch lined up and going.
02:10:19
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some Yeah. So it's been up for a while now. We were just dog shit at promoting it. So there you go. I totally get it. We, we, we, we, we have like a, a whole spread shop thing with all all this stuff that like Nikki and I, my, my fiance Nikki and I, we sat down one Sunday and we, we spent like a whole Sunday just making designs and everything. Like that's like, you know, just something that you want to do for a while. I'm tired of listening to you talk.
02:10:51
Speaker
I'm just going to buy you the equipment. You go onto Amazon, put what you want in the car, and I'm buying it. We're done talking about it. We're going to do now. and and And now I'm promoting her stuff. And it's like, oh, yeah, we do have merch already. but but yeah Yeah, we're absolute dog shit about promoting it as well. What up, Chaka? Chaka.
02:11:13
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so I totally understand that. Just, I don't know. For me, I feel weird like asking people to buy our shit. Like, like, what do we think they are? And at the very least, it helps you monetarily, ah you know, get one step closer to achieving your dream of doing this full time. I don't think you should ever feel sure about it. It's a product that you're buying and people love merch. Dude, I i wear merch all the time.
02:11:42
Speaker
I'm wearing it right now. It's people love how they feel in clothing and they love how they feel in brands that they believe in. So I never feel bad about it. Yeah, I never feel bad about it. I can't remember what his name is. There's a guy on YouTube that I see his videos all the time come up. He's usually sitting in his truck. um he He's got a hat that says ah GFC on it. And at the end of his video, at the end of every video, he always says, at every video, he says, virtually can buy it. And that's it, just super quick, just like that. But I always remember that, virtually can buy it.
02:12:14
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even something simple like that. Like you don't need to shove it down people's throats the way that a lot of YouTube and Facebook and Instagram makes it, makes it seem like you just something quick at the end. Hey guys, have a great day. Merch link in bio.
02:12:26
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yeah but I keep putting her to work because, you know, like, I know it's not the greatest like yeah I'm no digital artist or anything like that. But like, my clicks, also, music, I've made all my logos, the newest one I fucking love. I just did that just playing around on her computer. And I was like, I like this is gonna be my new one. This is what I went on a hoodie. and you know And as I do it, I'm like, okay, we'll put this on a shirt, we'll put this on. And I'm just gonna start wearing the shit on the shows. And then I'll be like, hey, hit me up, i can get you can get one. out so You know, I've got a couple hats that I've had made. I wear them. What's that on there? What's that on the podcast? That's a hat. Where can I get it at? Here's my cash. Give me your address.
02:13:18
Speaker
What's that? I said you're cutting out a bit. Can you hear us? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you guys. OK, great. You're back. Yeah, I just I always feel weird like hitting people up like, hey, go buy our shit. you Don't yeah worst case scenario, they'll say no or they'll ignore you. Yeah, it's also not bad dream. It's I mean, people want to support you, especially if they have a cool design. Like I said, I like wearing merch every day. So cool design. Slap it on a hoodie and I will buy it.
02:13:48
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Yeah, it's that's me. I'm like, hey, I've got a couple shirts, a couple few shirts from a couple of the artists that I've interviewed and stuff like that. and I love them. i am I'll throw them on all the time and go out. Maybe just people ask me about it. Then I can support the artists that way and be like, hey, this is who it is. Go check them out.
02:14:08
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I like wearing casually, man. Like when we go out and do our own thing, like just put a jean jacket over, you know, someone's brand that you support. And people always ask about it no matter where you go. They'll be like, that's cool. What the hell is that? And then he just conversation piece. Every piece of merch that a friend of mine has created, it's always a conversation piece. Right. yeah That's my, my network could do with my little quote unquote catchphrase on the back of it. I had a guy stop me at a gas station.
02:14:35
Speaker
What's that saying in the back? And I turned around so you could see, oh, that's dope. Where'd you get that at? I told him. And ah we exchanged a little bit of information, because he's like, oh, you know, I just want the hoodie. I don't even know what it's about. I just want the hoodie. I was like, oh, you can get the hoodie.
02:14:50
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Yeah. ah Yeah, man, you. and There's so much I wanted to ask you guys, and and and and I don't even remember half of it, to be honest with you. and So that just means that we got to come back for another episode.
02:15:05
Speaker
Hey man, you made the time and place. Let's do it. I love i love ah i always tell artists, especially especially if we're having a good time and we're having fun. you know We do a couple shows during the week where we have the open door. Saturday nights are a big one, man. It's open panel. anybody You guys are always welcome, man. <unk> not bull shit i know you guys were i You guys are be cool. Just talking to you. Sometimes it's hard to get a, to judge, you know, judge somebody from, from text. You know what I mean? yeah But some people are just like, Oh yeah, this is, this is going to be fun. You know, I was excited for multiple reasons for tonight. One, I can tell just from your videos and from chatting with you guys. I was like, yeah, these guys are, these guys are fun as hell. But again,
02:15:53
Speaker
you guys are the first people that I've got to enter, which is weird to me, uh, that, that I've interviewed for a while because I hit up like Ohio, uh, pages all the time for musicians and, and reach out for guests and get no love. And it's like, I am. And like, I'm like right here. I'm at, I'm at most two hours. I'm right smack in the middle of the damn state of two hours at most from anywhere. Like, you know,
02:16:21
Speaker
I could definitely come and see you guys. Plus, being in Columbus, we've got so many music venues. And even in my little town, there's there's a couple cool places, and and actually one that I need to respond to, about possibly bringing guests to. but um But there's a couple really cool venues here, like, you know, that get New Year's and I's on musicians. But it's just like,
02:16:47
Speaker
You guys give me no love in a while. Nashville fucking loves me. I'm just eight hours away. So I was definitely excited to have you. Yeah, man. Is there anything, you know, I always give you guys, I want to give you guys a few minutes to throw, you know, anything you want to promote, anything you got coming up.
Upcoming Projects and Inspirations
02:17:09
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um I got your guys' sosh down there. Also, I understand sometimes people Um still find it very hard. Like we said earlier, and you don't want to go look and search Well, I also make life easier for you guys as well if you're following us on social media At the nonsensical network. I tag every guest in all of our posts So if you go to the post that see these two lovely faces on it Then you just click there. You just click their fucking link right there because I already tagged them in it
02:17:41
Speaker
So don't tell me you can't find them, but is there anything you guys want to promote? Anything you guys got coming up? Any, any, any plans or anything like that that you want to tell people? and And I guess you can let them know where to find you as well. Oh my God. I mean, not, not that, not that Cody is a hundred percent mine.
02:17:59
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ah but We were just we really hitting the hitting the ground running. We got the next studio session a studio session more for like April 9th to April 9th, 2011. So we're already working on the next song. February.
02:18:15
Speaker
February. What did I say? You said April. April. Whoops. February. Even sooner. Even sooner. Yeah, February. Right around the corner. We've we've got a lot we've got a lot going on. This Sunday we have a recording session and I'm not giving away details yet because it's it's extremely exciting who we're working with. I don't want to i don't want to jinx it. That's how excited I am.
02:18:38
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So once once we get his permission to talk about it, we can talk about who we're working with. And and got is an actual childhood hero of mine? I think that's the most you've showed during this entire podcast. I'm very excited about my childhood heroes, man. That that is that is awesome.
02:18:58
Speaker
Yeah, most of the time, if it's music related, I like to kind of get to the point. But this, oh, this is something that I've i've wanted since I was a teenager, man. The guy that we're working with, he's just the coolest motherfucker on the planet. He really is. And oh yeah I'll ask him on Sunday if we can start plugging him in on stuff because it's not fair without me asking him. But we're going to the studio with a legend and we're going to start getting our workflow down so we can start cranking music out.
02:19:28
Speaker
Yeah, cranking out music. We're going to be able to use a, he's got a little podcast room in there, really awesome setup, where we'll be able to shoot some new types of content. We got photo shoots coming up, like, we we just have, I mean, we booked, we got a whole calendar.
02:19:44
Speaker
ah were whole busy We are so stupidly busy up until the summer. And then i'm soon as as soon as like March hits, I know our summer is going to be packed. But we have on our calendar, I think it is something almost every single day up until April that we have going on. I mean, it is the busiest I've ever been in music.
02:20:05
Speaker
And it every single day that we have on the calendar is absolutely going to be productive. And it's only going to grow the brand. It's only going to get us closer to our goal. And we're going to be able to work with some awesome people and produce some awesome music.
02:20:19
Speaker
And that might mean writing and recording. That might mean just brainstorming designs for t-shirts. That might mean just posting content or just brainstorming what types of content to make. But yeah, ah you know every day from now on, there will be something that we do to progress. We're going to find that 1% to improve. ah no No, that's that's awesome. but And being busy is good. When you look at the calendar and realize that you have some something going on every day or almost every day,
02:20:50
Speaker
That's that's fucking awesome. Yeah, that's that's so cool. Definitely look at I'm looking forward to the new the new song. I said I'm a brand new fan. You know, I'm um um um just just getting on board for the ride um and and I'm excited for it. You know, definitely digging the the first two songs looking forward to seeing what you guys got coming up definitely uh looking forward to down the road being able to come and catch you guys at a show uh see you guys perform live i thought it was really cool the other day you did a little behind the scenes uh with your vocals uh oh yeah on instagram the instagram live uh that was pretty cool i just just kind of threw it on i had my earbuds in anyways and it was just
02:21:33
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youre listening for a while. Yea more live streams and we'r sucks here, especially w music um just to kind of ge get their feedback immidi can also see the process you know that This doesn't just happen overnight. you know it's not like it's ah We just get an idea. it's up we're We're not superhuman geniuses. We're like, oh, I know what we're doing for the next song. and it's It's not Phineas and Ferb. We're just like, I know what we're going to do tonight. It's very close to Phineas and Ferb. Sometimes. usuallyly Oh, I know what we might do. and yeah that's the better yes and wait Yeah, that start flushing it out. Yeah. But Sunday, I'm hoping we can live stream Sunday because oh God, that is going to be so much fun. That would be awesome.
02:22:22
Speaker
Yeah. I definitely got my curiosity, man. yeah I definitely picked my curiosity. We got a huge announcement that we can't make, but it's huge. now it's all battle get permission We can't. But it's it's exciting. And you're going to as soon as you find out who it is, you're going to sit there and shit bricks. I kid you not. You're going to be like, fuck these guys. This is stupid. Fuck these guys. Pricks. No, but it's very exciting. No.
02:22:52
Speaker
No, that's cool, man. I'm looking forward to it, definitely. and Like I said, you've piqued my curiosity. Now I'm going to be anxiously anticipating and and waiting to see who it is that you're working with. rightll We'll start streaming around 4 PM on Sunday, because, Gavin, that's when you get to the studio, right? I'll be there from 2 to 6. Gavin's going to be there 4 to 6. And then we're going to see ah their band perform at the Foundry on Sunday. Oh, yeah. Nice.
02:23:21
Speaker
That's fucking cool. Hell yeah, man. Definitely looking forward to that. Sundays are my quote unquote. I say that. For my day arrest, but then I still wind up doing doing behind the scenes shit and working on stuff, you know, like I don't I don't typically respond to people on Sundays, but I might be doing social media stuff, but I don't necessarily respond to people on Sundays. But that's cool. man I do want to say, you know, I appreciate the hell you guys coming up. Welcome back anytime.
02:23:52
Speaker
Gavin, I know you said that Natalie was a musician as well. Yeah, yeah. ah her Her name for music is Madame Eris. And then she's working on getting her first single out right now. Natalie, if you got your ears on, I'm always looking for guests. I'm just saying.
02:24:09
Speaker
She's a riot. If you think that I've got high energy, she she makes me look like Cody. has more energy than i know In the best kind of way. I love you. That woman is 300 miles an hour. I love that little woman so much.
02:24:27
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I'm going to put a ring on that finger and big in that belly and a rope over that head. o Lock her down. Make sure she can't leave screaming on the inside for you, Gavin. I really am.
02:24:40
Speaker
No, that's awesome. No, seriously, ah you know, I'll definitely have to check her out. And, you know, I'm always looking for new guests. All the time out there trying to buy new people to come up. So you guys don't be shy. you know if you If you know somebody out there, just take click check these guys out. What do you think? oh Absolutely. or just sit or Or send them my way. But I do appreciate you guys coming up here, man. And and're you're welcome back anytime.
02:25:07
Speaker
Uh, don't be shy. Uh, you know, if you guys got new stuff coming up, hit me up. We'll get up on our social as well. Invite us to collaborate with you. Well, I tell everybody, not everybody, not everybody does it. Um, but, uh, anything we can do to help promote you guys. That's why I do this show, man. Uh, I mean, this is art and we're here to work and you're on the team now. So we'll get stuff done. Yeah, that's, that's what I, that's what I tell everybody. Welcome to the nonsensical family. Uh, you know, uh, uh,
02:25:37
Speaker
a good friend of mine, ah the guy the guy that I went actually went out to see this weekend, James Lucre, he's yelling at me constantly to do a reaction channel. I'm like, cause I don't have enough shit on my plate. Let me just start doing reaction videos. But I'm serious. I did one to his debut album and I'm seriously contemplating trying to find the time to where I can sit down and and do reactions to new music that's dropped by. And um again, it's dedicated to you guys, the guests of this show. This show is all about you guys.
02:26:05
Speaker
So you know anything I can do in the future, like I said, don't be shy, don't be strangers. We are 100% here to to do what we can to to support you guys and continue to support you guys. I'm a fan of the music, so I'm excited to see where it goes. And you know I'm right up there with you guys. but Probably not as excited as you guys, but still, I have a high ah high level of excitement because- This is the most Ohio closing of a podcast ever.
02:26:32
Speaker
she Midwest. it We're Midwesterns. You can sell. but Yeah. la wow you that too No, you guys are awesome, man. Well, again, welcome to the family. Let us know whatever we can do. I do. However, I always like to ask my guests if there's but just ah like a words of wisdom or something, a quote or something that really resonates for them and and And I know, I know we got to, we got to bring Cody in cause he's just, just this giant ball of energy that's just been exploding all over the place tonight. I feel like I ble i day while encouraging we're not on podcast so i assure you yeah ah feel like you know coy like guys and you might have interviews. I don't have much to say unless there's a question, but in real life, I'll be the one that's climbing the house. Like where'd he go? like
02:27:31
Speaker
Yeah. yeah many sodians so yeah like just Yeah. What you got for us, Cody? Do it. I mean, that that's that's honestly it. A hundred percent. No, I'm serious. The Shiloh is the greatest quote of all time because it's like.
02:27:50
Speaker
he's he Yeah, he's right, just do it. Shut the fuck up and just do it. like there's yeah going There's no excuse to not do anything that you want. And if there is an excuse, shut the fuck up and then find a way around it. like Be a problem solver, do something about it, make music, make art. I don't care, I don't have time to tell you what to do. That sounds really cool to tell when I say it out loud, but ultimately, just shut up and do it.
02:28:16
Speaker
Oh yeah, the guys to guys joke with me and get on me because I have one of my famous quotes when somebody's talking about doing something. I'm like, don't talk about it. Fucking be about it, bitch. Way to be real sensitive, man. like but I'm just saying, man. You're right, though. I think talk is cheap. Let's make something happen. So I let Gavin do all the talking while he's talking like Gavin and Alvin's done.
02:28:42
Speaker
And I'll be like, so did you talk to all those people? you Did you finish all those errands? Yeah. And then he'll come and all the work's done. He just has to show up. I like doing behind the scenes stuff, man. Let's make something happen. I don't i like being productive. I'm weird. Yeah. I love that so much.
02:29:03
Speaker
for for, I guess, for my my quotes and deep thoughts, I will send us off with with something very, very personal and very, very true that hits home ah to quote they the famous poets, Bo Burnham. it When life gives you lemons, you probably just found lemons.
02:29:23
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but the
02:29:28
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i never Yeah. Perfectly put. Yeah. That is like, well, gentlemen, I will let you jump off here. I'm actually going to play one more. I'm going to play one more song here. Well, we only got one other option. Yeah. Guys aren't working. yeah You guys get in the studio. chapcha the Just give us give us a couple more weeks and there's just going to be song after song after song. yeah There you go. Yeah. Well, we're we' cooking. and We're cooking with more oil than Diddy. All right.
02:30:00
Speaker
i'm leaving this part of easy easy Some phrases can get you in trouble. Yeah, that's one of the phrases. Don't associate yourself with Diddy in any way, shape, or form.
Engagement and Network Updates
02:30:16
Speaker
We're going to get you guys in the rotation on all the shows here, man. Obviously, Saturday night we'll be rolling in. I'm looking forward to having new music. I know the guys.
02:30:26
Speaker
They always get excited when they, when I utter the phrase, I have new music, actually I'll have new music tomorrow night because we'll be doing our what the fuck news show. And, uh, we'll, we'll play one of your guys's songs tomorrow night. But every time I say, I have new music, the guys use perk up and their eyes get big. And they're just like Lord, cause they never know what I'm bringing to the table at the end of the day, because they're just like, what did this asshole find now? So.
02:30:50
Speaker
But they have no control. But no definitely again, thank you guys so much for coming on here. Definitely appreciated it. Don't be strangers. And um we're probably cutting out again because that's been my life tonight.
02:31:05
Speaker
Are you good, Matt? Yeah, no, thanks again for having us. It really was an amazing time. And anybody who's walking, please feel free to reach reach out to us at any time. We're always happy to make connections, talk to new people, meet fans. Like, thank you all so much for your consistent, constant love and support. It really does mean the world to us. And it is one of the biggest reasons why we do what we do. Guys, check them out. Follow them everywhere. Kissing Lilith. If you have a hard time finding it, if you can't type, you don't know how to spell, just go to our pages.
02:31:34
Speaker
and they're tagged in all the posts. It don't get no easier. You have no excuses, people.
02:31:42
Speaker
And if you don't, you might wake up to Gavin climbing across your ceiling one night. It is never lying. just Such a house on fire. But but no thanks a lot again, guys. I'll let you drop down. I got to do my whole closing spiel bullshit that nobody wants to hear. but Yeah, that's the facts of life. so i'm glad to thank the glick Yes, absolutely. Thank you guys. Have a great night. Good luck. Best of luck. I'm going to play more than more than worth it. We've been talking about it all night, so we're going to play it. Appreciate shit out you guys. We'll see you guys next time.
02:32:18
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yes
02:32:37
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I'm too young
02:36:31
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Oh yeah. all they So angry was such a positive. um but You know, I love it. Just did your face. Um, anyways, uh, just want to say real quick, thank you guys for listening. Thank you guys for hanging out. Shout out to kissing Lilith. Obviously these guys are awesome. They've probably seen him around the network a little more. We might see him a couple of times around the place. Uh, we'll definitely hang out with you guys again.
02:36:59
Speaker
Speaking of the network make sure you guys tune in and check out the rest of the shows We got double headers on Monday with speedway stories and cold-blooded conversations 6 p.m. Our boy Wally talking all things motorsports and reptiles I don't know how they go together, but he makes it work. He's new to the podcasting world. He's due to the streaming world. Uh, but, uh, he's having a good time doing it. And right after Wally on Monday, this is men caring for men. It's your men's mental health podcast. Uh, all things revolving around men's mental health and, uh, day-to-day life struggles and all that stuff. Uh, Tuesdays is this show right here. Glicks out some music and I'm hanging out with kick ass artists like these guys tonight. Next week, tune in next week. I have, uh,
02:37:41
Speaker
Lift the curse joining me. Texas Rock duo. So looking forward to that. They're pretty kick ass band. Uh, Wednesdays is what the fuck news. It's in the news and it makes us say what the fuck. We're going to talk about it and make fun of stupid people because that's what we do. Thursday's is Jeff's garage. If you're into doing hobby shit, well, you're probably going to like Jeff's garage because that's all they do is hobby shit. Uh,
02:38:07
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I don't know. I just like trying to keep a, keep track of a chihuahua. You never know what's going on in his world or in his head at the end of the day. Friday nights is nonsense and chill. Blaze and Jeff are hanging out there watching movies. They're putting them up on the screen. You guys can get in the chatters box and watch movies with them and add your two cents. Uh, Saturdays is the main event. It is nonsensical nonsense. It is the flagship show here on the network. It's what started it all.
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We kicked the doors down for six fucking hours and dropped the link. We call it the open door challenge. We dropped the link in the chat and whatever happens, happens because it's all unscripted and unfiltered. We're just having fun kicking ass.
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I'm gonna get my ass kicked for this because I always forget, sorry, Cash. Saturdays at noon, every other Saturdays and every other Saturday at noon, which will happen this Saturday, is Cash's corner. That's my son and I's show. he's He's the boss, he's the host, and we're talking wrestling, everything WWE related.
02:39:06
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So if you're into wrestling, come in and hang out. Cash and I'll be there. We usually open it up. We do an open panel from time to time and invite listeners to come up and talk a little wrestling with us. And then we do nonsense, but nonsense Saturday night. And then we round up the week on Sundays with unnecessary roughness. It was our football show, but now we're moving into uncharted territory. It is going to be a full fledged sports show and that is Me, a big Rick and a former guest of this show right here. One and only Derek Wayne Douglas hanging out, talking sports and shit. We're still talking football. We've got to play awesome. Super bowl and all that around the corner. So check out, ah check out all the shows Monday through Sunday on the nonsensical network. Simply go to bio.link slash nonsensical network. All of our links are there for all the socials, including the link to beauty and the beard creative corner. You can get all your nonsensical swag there, or if you just want something personalized.
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You want your own shit. Just hit up Nikki. She's on Facebook and Instagram beauty and the beard creative corner and let her know what you want. And she'll get you taken care of. And if you're close by, we'll hand deliver it. If it needs to be shipped, I guess I got to go to the post office. Always my favorite place. Would that be it? Said be good. We'll be good at it, baby. Appreciate y'all listening. Um, Gavin, if you don't mind just sticking around for a minute, I want to get your fiance's information. Cause I would like to check out her music and uh,
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interrupt. There's like a one minute little after. So then we'll be backstage. Yeah, that sounds good. Cool, cool.
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