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E04: The Smoots Bridge, The Pied Piper, and Way Too Many Ladles
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In this episode, we take things tropical - our Mom joins us in Turks and Caicos (please excuse the shitty audio, but please embrace our tans….)
Our mom’s incredible wisdom, perspective, and unwavering strength is highlighted in this little glimpse into her day to day life grappling with the diagnosis of her partner.
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Transcript
Introduction and Setting
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what's actually been helpful versus what do people do that is sort of not as helpful. I don't need another legal.
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It's kind of fun here. I like you guys. It's fun hanging out with you. Um, so obviously this is a little different of a setup. We are sitting on the floor of Moots and Doots, our parents, hotel, a room-ish, I don't know, villa, sorry.
00:00:29
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villa room in Turks and Caicos, so that's hence the tan and the different background. We're going for a three wise men vibe. We do not know that game. I don't know that game. Shoot, I don't. Thanks so much. We'll get at the end. Do you want to introduce our guests?
Meet BHG, the Guest aka Mom
00:00:45
Speaker
Yeah, so this is the infamous BHG, otherwise known as Moots, otherwise known as Mom, who has been our primary point of contact throughout this entire endeavor. She is on the front lines of everything that's been going on since day one. And yeah, we're just gonna hear her side of the story. Get a little insider baseball knowledge from the moms. I love that intro.
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So I'm Becky.
Family History and Boston Move
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Doug and I have been married for 33 and almost a half years, I guess. 9-1-91 was the magical date. We met each other in 1987. I was living in Salem and working in Watertown and he was living in Boston and working in Boston and it seems like ages ago. We raised these three amazing children.
00:01:33
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We bought an old dilapidated farmhouse in 1999, which was just ridiculously crazy, but it turned out to be one of the best things that we've ever done. And I think raising the kids there, they can tell you that that they had a lot of fun in that house.
00:01:49
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And we moved to Boston in September of 22. Kind of quickly, we got an offer in our house unexpectedly, but it was time to go. It was time to leave a sleepy town and move into Boston.
Doug's Accident and New Independence
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Weren't you like black market selling our house? And then we all just woke up and you were like, hey, by the way, the house is sold. Surprise. we I mean, we were definitely thinking about it. We talked to a friend of ours who's a realtor to see, you know, okay, what do you think the houses were? So that was kind of cool. And that was probably in December of 2021.
00:02:19
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And then in March, I think, we in March we got an email asking if we wanted to sell our house. Word spreads quickly in Dover, I believe. And so we debated it. We met them. We met them again. We went back and forth with some numbers and we ended up closing in early September. And it was the hardest, physically and most mentally challenging time I'd ever had in my life um until now.
00:02:45
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Probably until now. i talk on So I consider ourselves just immensely lucky because we are literally five blocks away from Mass General Hospital. And um when Doug got into his accident on April 12th of this year, um he was at bostons medical which you know we couldn't have walk to, but it was an easy car ride or an easy Uber ride there. So um it has given him so much independence from me to be able to walk to his treatments, to be able to walk to his doctor's appointments. And if you know Doug, obviously,
City Life vs Suburbia
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Doug is dovis extremely independent and does not like to be baby, does not like to be parented, and does his own thing. So it has really been this silver mining on this horrible stormy cloud that we're living in. It is very serendipitous that we moved to Boston for sure. I feel like the move is giving you your own independence as well. um So you're not the one, I mean obviously like you said, he's walking back and forth, you don't have to drive him around. But in terms of like you having an outlet, like you can just step out the front door and walk the dog or go to JP Lex. I guess that's more of our thing to do.
00:03:57
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But um you like go to yoga, ah do stuff like that that I think you weren't doing before because it's so much different operating in suburbia versus where you guys are. Yes, completely. I mean, if shopping is not a problem, we literally walk down the street and and can do that or go out to dinner. I did have to give up my volunteer job that was a lot of what i you know who I was, my identity. That was a nadic. My term on the board was up and it was a good break then and that was in June and I knew that I needed to be home. I hadn't gotten diagnosed yet. um
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he That was in mid-July, but I just knew that something was wrong and that it was a good time to break away from commuting back and forth to Navy. But yes, it is so easy in in Boston. And for he and I to go on walks, it it's so much easier than it was in Dover. We would have to drive to walk into the woods in Dover mostly. and um So just just the ability to not have to get into a car that I have to drive because he hasn't been able to drive since April. He doesn't have a car, so it it just makes it so much easier. I also just I he's probably love him but the worst passenger yes um I can attest to this because I mean I don't know I'm trying to think about like when we learn to drive if that was an issue but not particularly but I i thought you had a
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That might be right. To just play devil's advocate, he taught me how to drive, and I am by and large to the best driver of the figure. That is true. That is true. I'm not great. The bar's super low, but I'm good driving. I'm just saying I feel for you, and I think it's so positive that you guys are in the city where you can just walk. Because for your wedding, actually, I drove, Dad. But you also got mad at me for speeding. But anyhow, it was a bit of an ordeal when you're 23 years old and your father is next to you gripping. What is that even called? Yeah.
00:05:49
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i forget yeah Yeah, yeah, like the way you put your body what you knuckle in on yeah, whatever the like I pass under like do that Yes passion or do that. Yeah, so that in every like five seconds I would like to switch lanes, which is probably wrong, but I just do that and he's like ah ah ah So, um, it was like trying so hard not to say anything. like now the I I was saying, I feel very glad that you guys come off. That was my tip. No, definitely.
Community Support and Humor
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Ever since the accident in April, he, uh, he's been more difficult to drive and he's also nauseous a lot. So that doesn't help, but it doesn't do what he was kind of always like that, which is the whole issue in this instead.
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It's like, dad or is that Is that brain? Dad or is that the drugs? And and it's just all a combination. like Brain cancer or it's general irritability. And also be our for Doug, I mean, and living in Boston is so easy to hop in a number if you're meeting someone in Brooklyn.
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But a lot of times his friends come in and they were going to the Celtics games or they would just come into the house and and have dinner, have a drink or so, or meet them anywhere. And it's just at my friends as well. You know, it's it's fun to meet in Boston. The ones who really understand, oh, what can I do for Becky? Rather than asking, what can I do for you?
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um they'll so say hey I made a reservation for lunch or I'll make a reason what is this day good for you or if not what day is and they make the reservation and we meet and talk and that's that's been great and I don't think that would have happened as much in dover but but it could have been it just it's it's it's kind of nice fun That sort of fits into my next question. What, just in terms of like, you guys have such a broad friend and group or just people that want to help want to be there. And I think that people ask Haley and I, whether there are friends asking or your friends asking they like, what can we do? What's helpful? Just in your experience in the last almost year, like what's actually been helpful versus what do people do? That is sort of not as helpful.
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i think if we get another comfort super bowl five ladles. They are nice. They're lovely. Five ladles. I love the soup. Each box comes with a ladle. Yeah. And like 19 year olds of bread. Yeah. The bread's really good. And the soup is really good. So I do a ladle. I don't need another ladle. So you know I'll be handing them as gifts, as hostess gifts. People come visit us. I'll give you one as you leave. I will probably also give a bottle of red wine because we have a lot
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we you you would say that can never drink and child drawing left um No, I again, I really appreciate the hey oh What what day is good for you? Let me take you out to lunch That's a bit amazing if you'd like to come over and visit bring something to eat. That's really nice, too I'm happy to make brunch for anyone but you know I'll also say that can you stop by talk day on your way in I mean again right now guys it's been easy right it's been easy when you're not shy asking for stuff when you need it too but at the same time I think you are so fiercely independent that it's like I think when you need help we will know that you need help and people will know for sure but there is still stuff that people can do now that I think you don't always let people do because I think you're just used to doing everything on your own
00:09:12
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Well, and and it's you two now.
Caregiving Challenges and Self-Care
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Okay, I just need to interrupt and I'm sorry I'm literally grabbing the mic like I used to grab your face but I just I know it's easier now but it's nothing you're handling right now is easy and I just don't want you to say that because I feel like we don't give you enough credit of how and amazing I like it there's not even an adjective I can think of of the job that you're doing and mentally no it's not easy it's of course not easy will it get harder absolutely but that doesn't mean what you're going through and dealing with so eloquently now is easy by any means so I just have to cut you off to like you know that. no I appreciate that. I really do, but but sometimes I feel like I'm being trained to do things by myself. But again, I so really appreciate Haley taking care of his medications. Emma, you you talk to him and he will listen. You know, if you suggest something, he he will listen. And i I do love that. What I need to deal with mostly and what makes me as most upset is when he just just doesn't let me help because he he knows what's ahead.
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and he wants to do it while he can. He went up on a ladder outside to to take care of the lamp. A what? Yeah, and I went with him. You both went up on the ladder? No. i Please as don't leave us without anyone. I stayed at the bottom, just in case. So this is, so so when I, again, it's been very mentally taxing. No one can really help that way. When you guys come home, I feel like I have time. I do still have my paddle tennis, I do still can go out to lunch with friends without feeling like I have to have somebody watch him 24 seven. So again, we're not there yet. When we are there, I will have help for sure. So well, I think you'll have help and you also have us like when we're at that point, like you'll have us for whenever you need us. Of course, you know that we love coming home and sharing a bed together. It's real fun. I love that. No, and I have relied on you guys a lot. So I know you were saying that a lot of like
00:11:11
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For instance, I correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like you were saying that um like for instance getting lunch with friends or talking to friends like Some of them might actually take an action or come and see what has been helpful. Do you find that you feel it therapeutic or beneficial to talk to people? Do you find writing helps more? I just am curious about like maybe an outlet, paddle tennis going on a walk. Like, is there something that you think is the most helpful for your mental state or just to like take time for yourself? Or maybe is there like something you want to try? This is something I'm gonna kind of talk about because I think we're sort of trying to figure it out for us what it hopes. To just coping mechanisms. Yeah, coping
Humor and Advocacy in Health
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mechanisms.
00:11:47
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For some reason, I forgot that word, thank you. Yeah, all of the above, obviously. I mean, I am still playing paddle at least once a week, sometimes twice. um And that's in Denham, so I do have to leave you know him for about sometimes four hours, because I'll go shopping when I'm in the suburbs too. But sometimes that's probably nice. It's great. um It's great, because it can happen. The yoga has been really helpful for me. It's been calming. It's been helping with my breath. It's really been quite quite lovely. And that's just down the street also, so that's been good.
00:12:17
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Yeah, all of the above. The fact that we have a public garden and the fossil ponds within two blocks has just been um amazing. and And you know, I'll go for the three mile and walk around the river too. walk room and what french The The I'm going to tell us more about the Smootz Bridge. It is the Harvard Bridge.
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and Although it goes to MIT. mit no its It is the Harvard Street Bridge, I should say. I'm sorry. I think she knows. But it's called the Smoot Street, because I believe in the 70s there was an MIT student called, his last name was Smootz, and he was short. He was about 5'4", so even a little bit taller than him.
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And they measured the bridge in smoots, so you have all the different variations, or as you head into the bridge, I think it goes to, it's just silly. There's 10 swoots and 20 swoots, and then you get to 69 swoots, and it says something silly. And then in the middle it goes, I know, halfway swoots is like 245 or something, I have no idea.
00:13:23
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Smootz, if you're listening, we'd love to have you on the podcast. I'd love to meet Smootz. Same. Smootz is like my Roman Empire of Swords, I think. That's like Smootz and like the Pied Piper yeah that I think about almost every day. You do think about the Pied Piper a lot. Do you have any like that? No. Really? Not like Abe Lincoln? No. Why would you think about it? A lot of people think about Abe Lincoln. More than the Pied Piper?
00:13:47
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probably like mines mines rooms here everywhere I am like he's also there I feel like like oh I'm walking to work and there's a big pack of people walk into New York and I'm like oh it's like the five bikers leaving us all down to Tribeca like I don't know it just I always feel like when you move in groups or you do things in groups or you're following the leader I just my brain is like pie paper I think I can't get him out of my head ah rap Yeah, we get 100% that's like it's a bit. I thought I feel anything like the flute over it wasn't for locusts Children into a cave and never and never came out of the they never came out of the cave Yeah, wait, it's like a children's. It's like Brothers Grimm. Yeah, Brothers Grimm was very very very so yes, I have them
00:14:39
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i don't know what i mean i some exercise have you been talking to people do you write at all? I write and I have a journal I brought it here and that's really good and I keep all of our doctors appointments notes in there as well so it's sort of like my GBM journal um and and I write sometimes my frustrations I write what daddy's been going through because I don't think he is sometimes he writes down the symptoms some you know and notes but But I've been doing that a lot. I did it a lot when we were in California. I read a book and on glioblastoma, and I really felt like I was learning a lot. There's a support group for caregivers that our MSW MGH holds every three, every two weeks, I believe. And then she's the one that Daddy and I meet with once a week, very regularly. And she's really helpful. She's very positive. And you know me, I'm sort of the most positive person I thought.
00:15:35
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Um, you are, but it's very tough to be positive in this, especially when daddy's been so down. I think that you're probably though, because you're the caregiver and you see everything. much more than we do. I'd say in this circumstance, you're much more realist than positive, but not to a bad way. I don't know. Well, correct me if that's wrong, but that's sort of how I feel. Like I think I'm a little delusional positive versus I think you who are there every day caring for him have a little more like realism. Well, I don't, I think that, and and I want to let you answer, but just to piggyback off of that, I think that you are not
00:16:08
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Like we're not pretending this isn't happening. And and I think I've seen people who have gone through this with their parents, with their grandparents. I saw you go through it a little bit with your dad. Like she had multiple myeloma and eventually passed from that. It was sort of like, he's fine. He's doing fine. He's doing fine. And then all of a sudden you went down to visit him and you were like, he's not doing fine. Like you're very, I think you're extremely positive, but at the same time you're just as much no bullshit. Like you're telling like it is, i agree you're not.
00:16:37
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you're not a cynic but you're certainly not like head in the clouds like behind the sky you know what's going on and you're not afraid to talk about it which i think has made this so helpful for us especially not being in boston like we're sitting in new york who's using la and we're you we know what's going on we know the good bad and the ugly and you don't hide things from us and i just appreciate the way that you've managed that and our relationship in that way I think to me, from the get-go, knowledge is power. And I just wanted to know what the fuck was going on. And it's kind of like when you you had a dirty arm. you're stupid And I was like, mom is going to diagnose what you have. And so, yes, I went down the rabbit hole in April to find out why he's having these seizures. um And I think that that was a good thing because then we came to the doctors at Boston Medical and said, well, could it be this or could it be this or could it be this? Because they were not giving us answers. I mean, they actually told us when he went in that, don't worry, it's not brain cancer. yes of that No, completely. That's Saturday. they They did see a mass in his head and and a mass in his chest. And that's what they told me you know when he was in trauma.
00:17:52
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And then in the ICU, the neurologist was like, no, his brain seems fine. We were literally celebrating. We cheered. We cheered. We cheered. We cheered. We cheered. We cheered. We cheered. We cheered. We cheered.
00:18:04
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right cheers yeah che cheers so to one che It sounds funny. Cheers. Oh, I mean, if you say anything. Toasted. We toasted. That's just a second.
00:18:17
Speaker
We said, cheers. He cheers. I don't think it's over, but it could be. I could be wrong. Try to play it on Scrubber. New York Times genius, spelling it and seeing if they accept it. So yes, and and then obviously when he got the glioblastoma diagnosis on National Glioblastoma Awareness Day for July 17th, the third Wednesday of the month of July, it's just crazy.
00:18:38
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um of Of course, we were googling that. And and then I and got a couple of books. I read one cover to cover when we were in California. And I was like, gosh, I really wish that I could speak to other caregivers, specifically other wives, because that relationship between wives and and GBM patients is is unlike any other. And sure enough, I found couple lives of GBM Warriors Facebook groups. And it's been very, very helpful to me. So I think because of that, yes, I know what's to come. I have no idea the timing that's involved. And everyone is
Patient Advocacy and Family Resilience
00:19:15
Speaker
different. There are different stories. And it's not freaking me out. It's just giving me knowledge. And I think that is very helpful to me to have that knowledge, to understand when the doctors say something, I can be daddy's best advocate and not just relying on of saying, even though we're in the best facility imaginable, they're still good to push. They still need to be pushed. Yeah, because I see them every day. I know what's going on and I know I can tell what's helping and I can tell what's hurting. Yeah. I also just think like patient advocacy is so important. Even when you have amazing care, like we are getting with dad's amazing team at MGH, but like you're so right. He doesn't go in often.
00:19:59
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especially now without radiation, he's taking his chemo early at home. So it's like, you're the one seeing this. You're the one who knows him. And like the way that you're feeling, especially for him to articulate too, but in this case, more so knowing his personality and knowing you, like you articulating that to a doctor in like how he's feeling since it's such a unique different path that he's on for this disease. It's like that is so much more important than a scam in my opinion. I mean, I think they're both important. Don't you say like your wife's group said, trust the man, not the scam. They didn't.
00:20:28
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They totally do. I love that. Yeah. And it's true. It is true. Patient advocacy is so important. It is true because the doctors try that to see a scan and they sometimes want to make you feel better. And I did feel like that in early November when we had his first scan since August. Well, I think it's sort of, it's like pushing, ah I forget what the exact phrase is, but like pushing a cart up the hill or something like that, it's sort of like, Oh, we know what this is. Pissing up a room.
00:20:52
Speaker
Yes, they get pissing off a rope. He does. That's sort of what it feels like because we know like the radiation showed some improvement, but we know with his un-methylated DNA structure, like his genetic markers that the chemo is not a probably not going to do anything. So it's sort of like, okay, you're poisoning your body. You're feeling like shit and for what? So I feel like we're in a weird spot right now with this next scan because but you don't want to hope that there's been tumor growth.
00:21:21
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but if there is tumor growth then at least he can get into a trial which has showed some progress and some promise recently versus if there's nothing it's like okay great the tumors haven't grown but like now we're just sticking with the standard of care that there's no evidence that it's helping and that I think is causing just so much added stress anxiety to all of this.
00:21:45
Speaker
And just pain too, like, just like thinking about how harsh chemo is on your body, like you were saying, it's poison, but like, that's not helping. It suppresses immune system so much. It's just like, that quality of life is so low. So it's maybe there's a new path intake, if there's no growth, but the chemo is not helping, then like, maybe he takes a little med break, like, I don't know what it'll look like. But having you there to advocate and figure it out with the doctors, that combination of their medicine knowledge, your knowledge,
00:22:11
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and your lived experience with him will be huge. Very much so. You know, from the very beginning, his neuro oncologist was unsure about the Tamadar and his situation. So what's Tamadar? Tamadar is the, um, is the chemo oral chemo drug. Thank you. Just for the people in the back. TMZ is it's uh, it's acting. Um, and do you know that TMZ is also like a, like a slutty like celebrity outlet, news outlet, TMZ. It's like all the housewives are always like leaking information. You sold me out to TMZ radar online. Do you know about that? Yes. got It's like faux pas when I was president of faux pas. It's just like when you were president of a library.
00:22:57
Speaker
focused it for friends of performing arts F-O-P-A. And I remember coming home and mentioned it to you guys. And you're like, oh my God. but Well, it sounds like FUPA. So yes, so back in August, doctors deciding, you know, actually it was in July, what the treatment would entail with radiation.
00:23:21
Speaker
And we were waiting for the methylation status to still come from the biopsy. And so she kind of gave us the, well, if if it's methylated, we will go with the chemo and the radiation. If it's unmetallated, we may do something else. So I knew operated the fat that being unmetallated is not good. So we kind of went into this not having great into the chemo or just into the whole thing, into the whole pre treatment.
00:23:49
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situation, post diagnosis, knowing that his his markers were probably some of the worst that you could have, meaning the chemo is not, the tumors aren't as responsive with the chemo if they are unmethylated. Right. And wild type as well, and inoperable. So, um and many cases are operable is because it is spread in multiple areas of the right side of the sprain, as well as a little bit on the left hippocampus too.
00:24:18
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There were just too many too many places where if they were to operate on it, they would would harm the good cells as in not the bad cells. So it's almost interesting that in in his case, he didn't have to go through that. arm And it was just boom, started with the radiation after we went on vacation, which is another thing I advocated for, remember?
00:24:42
Speaker
I waited, we waited a week yeah for the treatments to start because we had this weekend in the vineyard and I pretty much put my foot down and said, we're doing this vacation. Yeah. That's the kind of thing that you need to do. Also like starting one week later, like, right. And again, the oncologists are treating the tumors. Sometimes they don't see the whole person or the whole family. So what we're starting is palliative care, which they are thrilled about because sometimes even palliative care should start right after diagnosis because it's not just seeing, not just treating the cancer, sorry, but it's treating the person and healing the person so that the person can be stronger and and and better prepared mentally. There's a lot of that that mental state is so important. I think like in in this circumstance too, it's sort of like, this isn't one that you be really. So it's,
00:25:40
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It's sort of like, you don't want to limit him in those ways, but he can absolutely work with a nutritionist, work with a trainer to at least feel good. Like he's not giving up because that also feeds into the quality of life as well.
Family Support and Communication
00:25:53
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It's just feeling good. I remember you guys FaceTimed me and he was like, Hey, I was like, what's up?
00:25:59
Speaker
He was like, how do you make overnight oats? And I was like, really? Um, do you want me to like walk you through it? And I didn't, I didn't turn that off. He asked me how to make them. And I said, Oh, why don't you call him? Because I just thought, you know, the more interaction he has. Right. Yeah. And I, well, I call you guys a lot, but I feel like I don't, I feel like dad will like text me a heart or something, but he's not really like calling me up.
00:26:23
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Nor do you ask much. I think that they're usually trying to give us our space. Of course you are. But sometimes they're like, call me, I've always said this. I said this once, I graduated high school. I was like, please call me more. Yeah, but I called Emma and she's like, what's wrong? Yeah, that's also fair. At the beginning of all of this, yeah, because then the one time you did call, there was actually something wrong. I didn't pick up my phone because you didn't text me and we just had a conversation a week ago. Oh, I'll let you know if it's bad. You know what I mean? Because now, like now it's sort of, we don't turn. Unless it's the total middle of the day.
00:26:51
Speaker
Well, if you're calling past like 5 p.m., I just assume you just want to chat. Like, that's where we are right now. Something's really, really bad. I i mean, I'll pick up or regardless, but... So I'll text you first? No, just keep calling me. But the situation, everything's changed. We're going to be anxious regardless. Like, it's time to shoot me a call, please. Well, that's I'm worried about you guys. I worry. We'll just be worried about you more. So, yes, we're good right now.
00:27:19
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home But you are also welcome anytime as well. you know Yeah, you're good right now. So we want to come home and spend time while things are good too. Like we're not, we're not trying to like.
00:27:30
Speaker
We're not only coming home to be helpful. I mean, it's very self-serving. And at the same time, we tell you guys this all the time. We like being around you. Like, we would prefer to be around you. I think, honestly, part of the only reason we go back to New York is because you make us. Like, we want to. We want to be with you. And it's fun. And even when Daphne is tired and thinks he's so boring, I'm like, he's still really fun to be around. He's really funny and still has what's funk in him. Exactly. yeah He still has his sunshine.
00:27:59
Speaker
for sure. We're lucky. No, we are lucky right now. Yeah. I think that's the weirdest part of all of this is you, I don't know, obviously you've been dealt a really crappy hand, but I think we're lucky to have the great relationship we have with both him and you. I don't think many people have the relationship that we have with our dad. And I think even fewer have it with both of their parents. So it's very special the just individual relationships with all three of us that you guys have created and the ways that those of them matured into adult relationships where you can call us up if you're having a bad day and you need help and you can vent to us and at the same time we can do it right back like we don't need to sort of reestablish boundaries of what our relationship is now that we're going through something like this we just we know each other so well that we know how to be there for each other or we know how to
00:28:50
Speaker
tell each other when we can't be there or we need you to step up or vice versa or anything like that. So I feel lucky for that and grateful for that. But just don't don't don't forget to you know tell us your problems too. It's not like we are you have to not. Oh we're not shy or safe and telling anybody our problems. Yeah but please do. We have lots of room and lots of love and you know obviously things are going to come up and we want to be there for you too regardless of what's going on.
00:29:19
Speaker
We appreciate it. Thanks Ma. Thank you.