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Episode 44 - 1936 World Series and Devers trade reaction
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A new all time great is welcomed to the pod as Joe DiMaggio and the Yankees take on the NY Giants in the 1936 World Series. Mac unveils his new MAC score (meaningful accolade calculator) and the boys marvel at just how good Joltin Joe was.
The gang also breakdown the Devers trade and questions why the return was so minimal.
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:04
Speaker
Well, as Paul Olden will say in August, now batting for the Giants, first baseman, Raphael Devers. What's going on, everybody? Welcome to a new episode of Championship Bar Bust with Max, Zach, and Josh.
00:00:16
Speaker
We got 1936 rolling, a new Hall of Famer that'll spark a lot of debate, and let's get started right away. Josh, go ahead.
00:00:27
Speaker
Raphael Devers never playing first base, first of all. Remember, as he's playing there Friday against Boston. That would be hilarious. I think it'd be great. I hope he does. It'd be awesome.
1936 World Series Initial Games
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So anyway, the 1936 World Series, the Battle of New York, New York Yankees, and the New York Giants. Giants came to the series, won National by five games, while the Yankees won 102-51.
00:00:51
Speaker
They won the American League by 19 and a half games. move Absolutely smoked the competition. So they were a pretty...
00:01:02
Speaker
heavy favor to win the series, as you would guess. So game one at the Polo Grounds. So Yankees strike first in the top the third on a George Selkirk solo home run. In the fifth, the Giants would tie the game on Dick Bartel's solo shot, and Giants would take the lead in the sixth on an RBI single from Gus Mancuso.
00:01:19
Speaker
In the eighth, the Giants would put the game out of reach, tacking on four runs, including a two-run single from pitcher Carl Hubble. Hubble's only blemish in a score sheet was solo home run in the third, pitching complete game, securing victory for the Giants.
00:01:31
Speaker
Not what you would expect in game one. In game two, the Yankees would open the scoring again, this time the top of the first. After loading the bases with no outs, two sack flies scored the first two runs of the game.
00:01:43
Speaker
The Giants would get one back in the bottom of the second on two walks and a wild pitch, some quality baseball right there. But the Yankees break out in a big way in the third inning, plating seven runs, loading the bases again with no outs. Lou Gehrig would hit a two-run single followed by Bill Dickey's RBI single, and then the bases got loaded again a walk before Tony Lazzieri hit a grand slam, making the game In the bottom of the fourth, the Giants would load the bases for themselves and score on a walk, and then get two more on a Bill Terry 2-RBI single to make the game 9-4.
00:02:16
Speaker
The Yankees get another run in the sixth on a Joe DiMaggio sack fly and two more in the seventh after loading the bases yet again and scoring on a sack fly and an RBI like ground out. In the ninth, the Yankees win an insult to injury, already up 12-4, by scoring six more runs.
00:02:31
Speaker
A leadoff walk, three ah RBI singles, made the game fifteen to four before Bill Dickey capped it off with a three-run home run. Made the game King Bill Crazy. king bill dickey crazy I got two fun facts from this game.
Yankees' Domination and Key Moments
00:02:48
Speaker
And above the DiMaggio caught a ball so far out in center field that he was running up the stairs to the clubhouse, some 490-ish feet away from home plate.
00:02:59
Speaker
The catch was so good and so impressive that President Roosevelt, who was watching the game, saluted DiMaggio after the game.
00:03:08
Speaker
As we know, you did well. Yeah. yeah It's you had two fights today. You know what i mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:03:17
Speaker
And fun fact number two, ah legendary Dodgers broadcaster Vince Gully credits this game as the game that made him fall in love with baseball, saying he became a Giants fan because he felt so bad for them losing.
00:03:30
Speaker
He was nine years old at the time watching this game. The guy who used the intro in our first, I guess our second episode when not you did my first intro. Yep. Gotta love that.
00:03:42
Speaker
So with the series tied, Game 3 moves to Yankee Stadium, where the Yankees would again get started early in front of the home crowd with Lou Gehrig hitting a solo home run the bottom of the second inning. And at top of the fifth, Jimmy Ripple hit a solo shot for the Giants tie the game.
00:03:55
Speaker
And the bottom of the eighth, Frankie Corsetti's two-out, two-strike RBI single pushed across the winning run with Pat Malone closing on a scoreless ninth for the save and a 2-1 victory for the Yankees.
00:04:08
Speaker
Very different game than the wild one of Game 2.
00:04:12
Speaker
Game 4, so you guessed it, the Yankees strike first in the bottom of the second inning on a George Selkirk RBI single after an error. In the bottom with third, Yankees would tack on three more runs, one Red Rolfe's RBI single and two more on a Lou Gehrig two-run home run.
00:04:26
Speaker
The Giants would get one back in the fourth on Jimmy Ripple's RBI single and another in the eighth on Bill Terry's RBI groundout. Jake Powell would hit an RBI single for the Yankees in the bottom the eighth to restore a three-run lead, and the Yankees would win this game 5-2 on a back of Monte Pearson's first World Series win.
00:04:41
Speaker
putting the Yankees one win away from a World Series championship. Game 5, so the Giants finally strike first. Back-to-back doubles started the game from Jojo Moore and Dick Bartell, four RBI singles from Jimmy Ripple and Burgess Whitehead made it 3-0. In the bottom of the second, the Yankees would get on board on George Selkirk's solo home run, and they would push across another and in third on an error on a routine ground ball.
00:05:04
Speaker
At the top of the sixth, the Giants would take the lead back to two on a very similar ground ball that was booted. And in the bottom of the inning, three consecutive two-out singles tied the game at four.
00:05:16
Speaker
The game would stay tied until the top of the 10th inning when Jojo Moore doubled, reached third on a sack bunt, and had scored a Pat Malone sack fly. The Giants keep the Yankees scoreless in the bottom inning and win the game, forcing Game 6.
00:05:30
Speaker
Game 6 at the pole ground, so the Giants score first in the bottom of the first, loading the bases and scoring two on Melot's double. But the Yankees would get both of these runs back in the top of the second, On Jake Powell's two-out, two-run home run.
00:05:43
Speaker
In the top of the third, Yankees would take the lead on a Lou Gehrig sack fly and get two more in the fourth on four singles in the inning. In the bottom of the fifth, Mel Ott, homeward for the Giants, cutting the lead two.
00:05:54
Speaker
In the bottom of the seventh, Bill Terry's RBI single made a one-run game. The Yankees would get a run back in the top of the fifth on Tony Lazeri's RBI single, but give that run right back in bottom of the inning on JoJo Moore's solo home run.
00:06:05
Speaker
In the top of the ninth inning, up one run, Yankees just blew this game wide open. Two leadoff singles, followed by an error score to run. ah walk loaded the bases for Jake Powell, who singled in two runs. Another walk reloaded the bases.
00:06:17
Speaker
A single, a walk, ground out, and another single. All scored runs, making the game 13-5, seven-run inning. And John Murphy would come on to retire the Giants in order in the ninth and secure a championship for the Yankees.
00:06:31
Speaker
Hooray! Lots of loaded bases in this series. And honestly, it could have been worse because aside from the one grand slam, there were a lot of sack flies and singles. Yeah, you're going to see that with the Hall of Famers too.
00:06:46
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lot of singles.
00:06:49
Speaker
But before we get there, I think it's time to share...
Introduction to MAC and Hall of Fame Evaluations
00:06:54
Speaker
my month's work of project that I've been working on the last few weeks. And I apologize for the choppy intro because I didn't want to give away too much with this, but it is my great and distinct honor to introduce to you the newest big stat that I made up.
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This is meant to be my, and if you guys like it, the pods version of Jaws or Bill James's Hall of Fame monitor. And I had a couple names around. I was floating different ideas, but I wanted to make it original.
00:07:22
Speaker
So we call it the Meaningful Accolade Calculator, or MAC for short. Funny how that worked out. so funny. yeah whoa go funny Here's basically how it works in short.
00:07:34
Speaker
I take every award finish that matters in all consideration, MVP, Cy Young, all-star appearances, statistical milestones, and each one gets a weight. So, for example, an MVP award is worth 30 points. The second place is worth 25.
00:07:47
Speaker
I know it's different than the one that I originally gave you guys. I had to change it up when I saw how some of the results came out. um I could go through the breakdown step I said if we want, but I figure it's not super important. So, and I know we don't have a ton of time tonight, but in short, this is what we're looking at. So anything above a hundred means you're in the hall of fame conversation.
00:08:08
Speaker
There's some outliers that are a little weird here, but you can usually have a hall of fame discussion on these players and not sound like you're under the influence of certain substances. Yeah. Anything above 200 means you're a likely Hall of Famer.
00:08:21
Speaker
About two-thirds of these guys who get above 200 end up in. That includes steroid guys, Pete Rose, guys like that. Anyone above 300 means you're a lock.
00:08:34
Speaker
Everybody above 300 is in except for Rose, PED guys, and Curt Schilling. So clear reasons why they're not in. Anything above 400 means you're kind of in the inner circle legends group.
00:08:48
Speaker
There's only 78 players who reached 400 or above. Now, I tried to keep it simple with that 100, 200, 300, 400. So 100 is the in the conversation, 200 is likely, 300 is lock, 400 is legend.
00:09:02
Speaker
But if you ever get confused, feel free to ask because I will be using this quite a bit. um I have similar systems that I made since the last pod in all four major sports. They all obviously have different things that get worked in the formula, but that one, two, three, four rubric stays consistent across.
00:09:18
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And everybody in every other sport with over 300 is in or will be in within the next couple of years. you know, with football, sometimes guys have to wait a couple of years, but they're all going to get in.
00:09:29
Speaker
So basically the hope for me is that we can use this for active players year by year to see how their whole chances are progressing over the course of their careers and have a baseline to maybe compare guys across eras.
00:09:42
Speaker
So it's a little bit difficult for the guys who we first started talking about in like because no Cy Young Awards, can only win an MVP one time, no All-Star games, things like that.
00:09:54
Speaker
But it's perfect timing now because we're getting to the point where guys are having full careers. And i now have a spreadsheet with about 875 names plugged in. So if anyone you're curious about, i probably have the answer. Feel free to ask at any time.
00:10:08
Speaker
But now to your regularly scheduled Hall of Fame programming. Just going pause for a second for my voice.
00:10:16
Speaker
All right. Let's begin with the losing Giants. Carl Hubble, Josh mentioned. The second World Series, 1-1 in the series, and he was also 1-1 in the actual series.
00:10:28
Speaker
2.25 ERA, five runs, four earned in 16 innings, one complete game, 10-2 strikeout to walk ratio. Level 4, number 19 between Max Scherzer and Whitey Ford.
00:10:42
Speaker
His legend score is 347, which means he's a lock Hall of Famer, which fits to what we said because all three of us voted yes for him and there wasn't much hesitation.
00:10:55
Speaker
Next up, we have Travis Jackson. Welcome back. See you later. It's his fourth and final World Series appearance. He went four for 21 with, guess what, four singles, as Josh mentioned.
00:11:08
Speaker
He was in the basement. We all voted against him. And his legend score was 66. There you go. So we're pretty good here so far. Next up, Bill Terry, third and final World Series appearance.
00:11:24
Speaker
He went one and two in the World Series. In this series, he went six for 25. Six singles, five runs batted in. Hit 240 with a 509 OPS.
00:11:36
Speaker
We, I'm checking to see what we voted for on him, but I did have him in. i believe all of you guys said yes, we did. um His legend score is 184. So he was in between the conversation and the likely.
00:11:51
Speaker
And lastly on the Giants, we have Mel Ott. He was an easy call for all of us. Second World Series, 1-1 in the Fall Classic. 7-23 with a home run, two doubles. Had him level 6, sorry, level 5, but as the 6th right fielder between Tony Gwynn and Reggie Jackson.
00:12:07
Speaker
He has a legend score of 555. So he's in the Legends Club. Now on to the winning New York Yankees. I can't wait until we can say that one day again.
Debate on Joe DiMaggio's Hall of Fame Status
00:12:19
Speaker
Joe McCarthy, not to be confused with the Senator. Third World Series appearance, second with the Yankees, and second championship. Many more to come. Having him as the number two manager of all time, you can probably guess who number one is.
00:12:34
Speaker
Bill Dickey, second appearance, 2-0. Went 3-25 with a home run. Amazing. That never happens. Level one, number nine catcher between Carlton Fisk and Mickey Cochran.
00:12:46
Speaker
Legend score. We all voted yes on him. Legend score is 238. two thirty eight So he was in the likely range. Lefty Gomez, second appear at second ring.
00:13:00
Speaker
2-0, had a rough one. 4.7 ERA, 8 earned runs in 15 innings. His strikeout ratio to walks was 9 out of 11.
00:13:11
Speaker
So 9 strikeouts, 11 walks. Level 150 starting pitcher between Don Drysdale and Bob Lemon. Legend score, 267. two sixty seven So we all said yes to him.
00:13:24
Speaker
Looks like we were proven right there. Lou Gehrig. Fifth appearance, fourth championship. seven for twenty four two home runs and a double. As I said before, number one first baseman of all time.
00:13:37
Speaker
Anyone want to take guess at where his legend score was? Higher. Higher. higher
00:13:48
Speaker
Which is good enough for, i have the spreadsheet accessible so I might as well do it, 30th all time. Which, considering the era with the all-star appearances not being as, you know happening, um the MVP votes being weird, that's pretty damn solid. Yes, mate.
00:14:06
Speaker
We get to, we did Lefty Gomez, let's do Tony Laziri. Fifth appearance, fourth ring, five for 20. One home run, seven runs batted in. I had him in level one, number 16, second baseman between Nelly Fox and Billy Herman.
00:14:23
Speaker
We were divided on him. Josh said no. Zach, you said yes. His legend score was 109. Wow, all right. So he was he is in the conversation. We're not crazy for voting for him.
00:14:38
Speaker
um The guys immediately surrounding him include Jared Weaver, Josh Beckett, and Cole Hamels. Oh. so And Steven Strasburg. That doesn't make it sound better. um He is one behind Alex Bregman.
00:14:51
Speaker
So that is kind of tough. I'm starting to like how I ah voted for this one. But the era, the arab again, he's another one that he's been in around a while.
00:15:02
Speaker
The guys we're starting now is where it really starts to heat up. Next up, we have Red Ruffing. You may remember him as the Yankee pitcher with a 3.8 ERA who we all voted against.
00:15:14
Speaker
Second appearance, went 2-0 in the World Series overall, went 0-1 here with a 4.5 ERA. Gave up seven earned runs in 14 innings.
00:15:25
Speaker
We all had him as a no. He has a lead score of 183. So in the conversation, not crazy to be voted against him by any means. um He's with Brett Saberhagen, and he's right around Tim Lincecum, and some guys like Billy Wagner's around there as well.
00:15:43
Speaker
So some are in the Hall of Fame, some aren't. um Not a crazy no on any of our parts there. Now, welcome to Championship or Bust, Mr. Joe DiMaggio.
00:15:59
Speaker
I'm not hearing any typing from you, Josh, today. I don't think there needs to be much to be said here. But I shall ask. Definitely nothing needs to be said here. But I can start typing if you'd like.
00:16:12
Speaker
I'm going to it anyway because I'm typing his name in the spreadsheet and I have to do it for official purposes. Are you sure? are you sure I think I do. Is he a Hall of Famer? Did you hear the typing? Is that loud enough? Did you hear the clicking and looking at his profile? is that loud enough?
00:16:26
Speaker
Yeah. referend Believe it or not, he was not a first ballot Hall of Famer. But he did get elected in 1955. This was four years after he was retired.
00:16:38
Speaker
So technically he was in before he would have been eligible today. okay But it did take him four years. People voted no because of the – they didn't like that you can vote him in right after they retire and they were active.
00:16:51
Speaker
So it took him a little bit. But he's a nine-time World Series champion. A three-time MVP. Do I need to go on? Yeah, the hit streak. Go ahead. I'm going to.
00:17:04
Speaker
He's six-time top three MVP finisher. 56-game hit streak. Led the league in batting average twice, home runs twice, runs batted in twice.
00:17:15
Speaker
Now his career stats are okay. 325 batting average, 2,200 hits, 361 home runs, 1,500 runs batted 79.1 more. Now, keep mind, it's okay. It's okay that this happened. He missed his age 28, 29, and 30 season for military service. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Oh. Oh, Zachy.
00:17:31
Speaker
ask you, it okay this happened he missed his age twenty eight twenty nine and thirty season for military service
00:17:43
Speaker
oh i zaki i asked you Is he a Hall of Famer? Well, we're on a time crunch here, and i hadn't I was thinking about voting no for the military service just to mess with Sherm so he could be late for his next appointment. but His next appointment?
00:18:03
Speaker
yeah But I can't do that. Obviously not. But it would be funny. Yeah. It's only because he's a Yankee. That's why Zach is away with him. Oh, yeah.
00:18:13
Speaker
So that's ESX? Absolutely. Just for official purposes. Josh?
Rafael Devers Trade Analysis
00:18:18
Speaker
Yes, obviously. He's one of the greatest players of all time. So, I'm surprised because I'm a no.
00:18:25
Speaker
No, I'm kidding. oh yeah um Welcome to the Championship Us Hall of Fame, Mr. Joe DiMaggio, our only new member for the class of 1936.
00:18:37
Speaker
Which, fittingly enough, is the year of the first Hall of Fame class. So, kind of fitting that we got to that point now. There you go. Just in case you were wondering, I had him level five, number four center fielder between Trish Speaker and Mickey Mantle.
00:18:53
Speaker
And his legend score beats Lou Gehrig. His legend score is 789. Well, Gehrig didn't win nine chips. And also didn't win three MVPs. Did he win three MVPs?
00:19:06
Speaker
don't think so. That I don't know. He won two MVPs. Because that's all in the spreadsheet now. Two MVPs, two runner-ups. DiMaggio won three MVPs and one runner-up.
00:19:18
Speaker
But he... Sorry, three MVPs and two runner-ups. But he has 789, which is 20th all-time. came out he lost three prime seasons in the process. Dang.
00:19:30
Speaker
So... Makes you wonder what his career stats would have wound up being in a different era.
00:19:38
Speaker
Yeah. What did you say? 71 more? 79. Oh my goodness. Yeah. 79 war and in 13 years too. That's insane, dude.
00:19:53
Speaker
It's crazy. So that's your, is he a hall of famer? And when you hear me talk about legend score, max score, that's what I'm referring to.
00:20:03
Speaker
Great. We ride. We'll keep this quick again for Mr. Sherm. um Great segue here. Speaking of war, Joe DiMaggio, great war. and Anyone want to guess the war of Jordan Hicks this year?
00:20:17
Speaker
Anybody? Negative two. Nope, nope, negative one. You were close, though. Not bad. I'll take it. Yep. We all know the trade. Red Sox decided to part ways with Mr. Rafi Devers here for a bag of balls and a ham sandwich, as Josh likes to say.
00:20:33
Speaker
It's a can of Coke and a ham sandwich. Oh, sorry. Or a sack of rocks is the other one. In case you were wondering, Raphael Devers' max score is a 50. I
00:20:47
Speaker
i was not, but I guess I was. He had three-time All-Star, two-time Silver Slugger, and a champion. i won to He won the chip in 2018. He's the last one. A known Yankee killer.
00:20:59
Speaker
Yeah. And now the Yankees don't have to play him until 2027. We love that us. love that for us And who did they get back? A guy with a negative war, Kyle Harrison, who they sent down to AAA.
00:21:11
Speaker
I like Kyle Harrison, just just for the record. Yeah, he's not too bad, but still, this is a terrible trade. They got um Giants number four prospect James Tibbs and Jose Bello, a reliever.
00:21:24
Speaker
What was it? A ham sandwich and a can Coke. There you go. I'm really surprised they didn't try to get the Marlins to sell low on Sandy Alcantara.
00:21:35
Speaker
and Just anything would been. Because Marlins wouldn't pay Devers. That's why. like i know Al Gantara has been awful. Because the Marlins wouldn't pay Devers. That's why. Yeah, guess. I mean, I guess the the real... get at There's no guessing. It's just a freak.
00:21:50
Speaker
They're not going to pay Devers. The Giants have been missing out on all those free agents. They have money to blow. Right? Pretty much. And Mr. Posey over there trying to make something happen. They're not doing too bad this year, too. But I don't understand it from the Sox perspective. That relationship must have been really bad, I guess.
00:22:07
Speaker
I think it's hilarious. The Red Sox coming off a sweep of the arch rivals. They're over 500. They're in a playoff spot. And then 20 minutes after the game ends, we just traded our the face of the franchise for a sack of potatoes.
00:22:26
Speaker
The thing is, though, is that a lot of Red Sox fans are happy. Some are happy, some are mad. i think there was a lot of anger at first, and now there's a lot there's less anger and there's a little more understanding. I mean, Devers...
00:22:43
Speaker
You know, is are rough it's one thing to to be all, you know, crotchety because they told him, well, you're not playing third base anymore because this guy's a better third baseman than you. You're a below average fielder and you're going to hit now. But, you know, we still want you on the team. You're still getting paid. You're still the face of the franchise. But we we just we only want you to hit.
00:23:01
Speaker
Like, don't worry about it. I just want to point out something. That's another thing when, you know, you see your teammate blow his knee out as done for the year and they say, right, listen, we'd like to teach you how to play first base because we think this would help the team win. And he just goes, no, no, that's okay. If I'm investing, you know, the $380 million dollars or whatever it is that his contract is worth into a guy and a guy tells me that, yeah, I want to trade him too.
00:23:25
Speaker
And, you know, when you're in that position, you don't, you have no leverage. You have no leverage. But it also, the trade-off looks like they didn't shop them at all. That they got an offer from San Francisco and went, okay. Here you go.
00:23:36
Speaker
See ya. Yeah. It's crazy. age 22 season for Rafael Devers was 2019. He had a five war. It was his first real, I guess, full season. He played 120 games a year before that, but you know, he played, he had 200 more plate appearances in this season, led the league in doubles, led league in total basis, had a one 32 OPS plus as a 22 year old.
00:23:59
Speaker
The problem with that is, is that Boston decides are we going to do that? Let's trade Mookie bets. Yep. yep Can you imagine what they could have gotten if they traded Rafael Devers in 2019?
00:24:11
Speaker
Well, that was luxury tax related. At the time, it was luxury tax related, right? Because they need to get under. are they were going to face a penalty or something. That's what I thought it was. But then they gave Devers that contract.
00:24:24
Speaker
Yeah, you can't do that. bigger contract and called it a day. Yeah, you can't trade those two guys in the span of five years. That's... Ridiculous. Just rough.
00:24:35
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know how they did that. I just... It's like it's like that SpongeBob meme. Hey, you want to see me trade space in my franchise? Hey, you want to see me do it again? Yeah.
00:24:48
Speaker
um Fun fact, he's he's the last member of that 2018 championship team, or championship roster. He was last one. They're gone. But the Red Sox are honestly in a solid spot because they have you they have Campbell, they have Anthony, they have Marcelo. They're going to fine. They have young talent.
00:25:06
Speaker
but I mean, you trade away your best player again. It's very odd. I don't know, Mike. Did you see people were comparing it to a Luka trade? Obviously not to the same magnitude, but like similar vibes.
00:25:16
Speaker
Like that relationship with the front office. all like It's something that I said to my Red Sox fan friends to mess with them, but I don't actually mean that. Yeah. um I don't... I think with this, the writing was on the wall for a while with Devers, with the whole like moving to DH and then not ah not playing refusing to play the field after moving to DH.
00:25:39
Speaker
We knew that at some point something was going to hit the fan and it was going to happen. With Luka, it was just a stunner. We didn't know that was coming. And Luka is also a significantly better player. For sure, for sure.
00:25:52
Speaker
And... he, you know, from all accounts, like, you know, he doesn't play like a defense, but no one really complains about the personality. Now people are speculating that might've had a thing to do with it, but Boston fans don't connect to Devers the way Dallas fans connected to Luca.
00:26:11
Speaker
And I don't think that's going to be, you know, ah look I think there's going trade where most Boston fans are going to welcome it rather than, know, salary wise for sure. so salary wise for sure yo luca The Luka trade's unprecedented because so many people got rid of their season tickets. like That might actually sink a city in the NBA.
00:26:36
Speaker
But then they got Cooper Flagg and that kind of ah fixed everything. I already forgot about that. Yeah. Because yeah the NBA wanted to make sure Dallas was preserved. I'm just going to say it like it is.
00:26:48
Speaker
One last thing for me on this. I just noticed that Bregman has an opt-out next year. Do we think... this entices him at all to leave. No.
00:27:00
Speaker
i don't think he's getting that money from anyone else. I think it'll actually make him stay. Sadly. Or not. I don't know. I mean, you know, he's playing well now, but he could totally fall off a cliff. mean, yeah. kind of what I would just... Yeah.
00:27:15
Speaker
Everybody predicted... more or less that he would have a strong year or two and then the end of that contract would become a visible leap. It would be like the DJ LeMahieu where he just falls off a cliff and never comes back. He's got three war already? Wow. Dude, he was hitting 310 before he got hurt.
00:27:30
Speaker
Yeah, he was playing really well. Yeah.
00:27:34
Speaker
yeah But he's he's definitely a guy that that old age is going to end him. Yeah, we'll see. But he's got to swing this bill for Fenway. Yeah, I mean, if you can just keep popping him up in the left field, I guess.
00:27:46
Speaker
Yeah. He might be a guy on my list next year for like the top five guys who can impact the Hall of Fame case. Oh, God. Like if he keeps the season up, he'll be at 45 war through age 31 season.
00:28:01
Speaker
That's crazy. He could be at 50 through 32. All of a sudden things start to get interesting. He does not feel like a Hall of Famer to me. He doesn't. And he he won't be. But he's like that Seager that I had this year where it's like,
00:28:14
Speaker
he has enough of a chance where it's not crazy. And his, his max score is 110. Oh my God. You can enter the conversation now and not be crazy.
00:28:25
Speaker
That's insane. So if you can get it up to 200, you have a case. This is what max score does.
00:28:39
Speaker
Yeah. What can Mac do for you?
00:28:44
Speaker
In other news, Cousins is out for the year. What did you say? said, never say that again.
00:28:51
Speaker
i never I never want to hear, what can Mac do for you ever again?
00:28:58
Speaker
In other news, Cousins is out for the year again with TJ.
Team Changes and Challenges
00:29:02
Speaker
Shocking. yeah What else is new? Yankees bullpen is trash. you It's amazing what happens when you let half the bullpen walk.
00:29:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:12
Speaker
Everybody's hurt. Everybody's hurt. Yeah. Canely's only got like a 1.3 array and is carrying the Tigers, but they let him walk and they didn't like him.
00:29:21
Speaker
Cousins has pitched more than 12 games one time. my God. you Sorry, a two times. Yeah, dude, he can't stay on the field. And he's 30. That's crazy. I mean, the wise guy doesn't look good ever since he got back. Let me tell you that.
00:29:37
Speaker
No, he has not. No. They're in trouble. Don't worry, Devin Williams' ERA is back in the fives, guys. Oh. He's actually pitched pretty well. That's the sad part. He's pitching well and his ERA is still in the fives. That's how bad he was in the beginning.
00:29:51
Speaker
Yeah. His ERA is close to Jordan Hicks? Jordan Hicks, yeah. Nice.
00:30:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's the only thing. I only really wanted to bring the Devers stuff today. That was a big topic. so Soto started hitting, I guess. Good for him. i mean he was always hitting it hard. It's just... Had bad luck.
00:30:17
Speaker
No, no. He was hitting pretty terribly. no He was hitting it hard. But... Hitting it to people's gloves. Well, he also wasn't running. Well, that enjoyed. A lot of other things.
00:30:31
Speaker
I was very surprised by his score. Oh, what is it? 202. I mean, I'm out already.
00:30:41
Speaker
He already has... A chip. MVP. He's between guys. like The guys directly above him are all in, but the guys directly below him are not.
00:30:53
Speaker
Oh, wow. He's like that in-between guy. Well, he's got the rest of his career left, though. Yeah. The guy's already at 202. It's pretty staggering. Oh, you see Wheeler's going to retire after his contract's up?
00:31:08
Speaker
Yeah, two-and-a-half-year farewell tour. Yeah, that's crazy to announce. You got to love that. don't know why to announce that, but that's awesome. I'd like to amend my preseason preview where I had him on the list of cases that can be salvaged.
00:31:21
Speaker
If he's only pitching two more years, that's dead. I feel bad. The guy peaches his late 30s, and that's it. He's done. a I guess he just doesn't want it. I don't think cares about it. But he's having a great season.
00:31:34
Speaker
He's still good right now. Maybe he just doesn't want to blow his arm out and retire happy. Yeah.
00:31:42
Speaker
I guess so. you got He's got more than enough money. That's for sure. Yeah.
00:31:49
Speaker
never I've never seen anybody announce their retirement like that early, though. That's pretty cool. Good for him.
00:31:55
Speaker
I mean, he could one of those guys that does that and then suddenly is still playing. so Yeah. Yeah, true. True. Definitely good. Yeah, like he said I planned to. That doesn't mean he is
00:32:07
Speaker
he is. think that we neglected to mention that the White Sox are in the process of being sold. Oh my God. I forgot about that because it happened like two weeks ago. yeah that's kind of That's kind of big news. That is huge.
00:32:19
Speaker
Oh, who wants to buy them? the um The guy's brother of the Rock. Ishbia, yeah. And the sons. Ishbia, right. That's amazing. Yeah, so they're like they're not buying a team outright, but they're being put on like this track to buy the team in the next... like I think they're going to have like a majority stake in a team in five years, and then they'll own the whole team in 10 or something like that. It's something absolutely ridiculous.
00:32:43
Speaker
Well, if he's anything like his brother, he's going to spend all of his prospects on Carlos Correa. that See, that's a funny thing is that a lot of people were were making that statement and they were like, is you know it better than the devil you know or the devil you don't know? because People are like, is it actually going to get better under this guy? Probably not.
00:33:00
Speaker
It'll be the opposite. You'll actually spend money. Yeah, it'll be the opposite problem, which I feel like fans would be happier about. At least you're trying to spend money and messing it up than not doing it. Yeah, I mean, I guess spending money and putting wrong place better than not spending it at all. Right.
00:33:13
Speaker
unless you're Unless you're spending money on Tim Anderson.
00:33:17
Speaker
Oh, yeah. yeah
00:33:20
Speaker
But yeah, I agree. I feel like and but revenue will go up with that sort of stuff anyway. like you know People will go to those games more. You would hope. I just find the whole payment plan thing is kind of ridiculous. Just either sell a team or don't.
00:33:34
Speaker
what What is that? It's something similar to that. And then it it phased out really quick in basketball. Dallas Mavericks. Mark Cuban sold to Mott. And it was basically said that he was going to handle the operations of the team for the foreseeable future.
00:33:50
Speaker
And then the Mavs go to the finals. And Cuban is nowhere to be found.
00:33:57
Speaker
So it'll kind of happen quick and suddenly when it does actually happen. I mean, it could be, but I think this is like literally written out monetarily that he's not going to have enough these's not gonna have a majority stake in a company for five years.
00:34:15
Speaker
this just because Reinstorf doesn't want to give up the team right away, maybe? or like Something like that.
00:34:22
Speaker
It makes sense. He's kind of an old, annoying guy now at this point. White Sox should be bad now. andll be bad in five years. be bad in ten years. Ryan Drove has to stay to spearhead a Paul Kinurko Hall of Fame campaign for the Veterans Committee. Oh, God. That's terrible. Don't say that.
00:34:43
Speaker
He did it for Harold Baines. Oh, my God.
Episode Wrap-Up
00:34:48
Speaker
That wraps up our 1936 episode of Championship or a Bust. Thank you for listening, and we will talk to you next time. See you later. Peace.