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Episode 38 - 1932 World Series- The Called Shot
37 Plays9 months ago
Mac, Zach and Josh discuss the legendary 1932 world series between the Yankees and the Cubs. We debate if Babe actually did in fact call his shot and mention other "I'm him" moments in sports history (Don't forget Gherig was actually the best player in that series, not Ruth).
Current events also include a HOF ballot breakdown from Mac.
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Transcript
Welcome and Episode Preview
00:00:03
Speaker
Well, as Zach would say, welcome to another episode of Championship and Bust with Max, Zach, and Josh. Thank you. I forgot about that the last time we were talking about each row, but don't worry. It's been on the back burner for quite a while. Thank you. What's up, everybody? We got a big, big episode for you today, and I don't want to waste a lot of time. We got 1932, the cold shot.
00:00:22
Speaker
We got Hall of Fame results. We got some signings. The Dodgers got richer. We got a lot to cover, so I'm going to roll right into it. Josh, go ahead.
1932 World Series Highlights
00:00:31
Speaker
All right. 1932, New York Yankees, Chicago Cubs.
00:00:34
Speaker
The first World Series where both teams had numbers on the back of their uniforms. Amazing. Fantastic. So this World Series already started off great. Before it even started, there was a lot of ah name calling and a lot of jockeying between the two teams.
00:00:51
Speaker
um Because the Yankees didn't like the way the Cubs were treating their former teammate, sorts are shortstop Mark Koenig, after he got acquired from detroit ah the Detroit Tigers. um Koenig hit really well for the Cubs, um but the Cubs only voted to give him half of a player's postseason share because he only played for team for 33 games and didn't even play in the series because of injury.
00:01:17
Speaker
And the Yankees were pretty mad about that. And they were calling the Cubs cheapskates. And they were very tight with their World Series money. um Especially, the Cubs really hated that Ruth was the one saying this to them.
00:01:30
Speaker
um And the Cubs retaliated by calling Babe fat and washed up. Along with pretty much any other obscenity you could think of. Including some other very bad words that we're not going to repeat here.
00:01:44
Speaker
yeah Yes, they did. And this basically went on for the entire series. so game one ah cubs would open up the scoring in the first setting scoring two runs and rbi singles from woody english and ri stevenson lead lasted all the way into the bottom of the fourth thing when the yankees took a three to two lead thanks to a walk bay ruth rbi single and lou garig to run blast the bottom of the sixth the yankees would load the bases on three consecutive walks and Bill Dickey hit two-run single to push the lead to five to two Another the run got pushed across on a fielder's choice, and then two more on an Earl Cohn single.
00:02:18
Speaker
The Cubs would get two runs back in the next half inning on a Rick Stevenson 2-RBI single, but Yankees would strike for three more runs in a bottom inning on a Tony Lazeri RBI double, a sack fly, and then a wild pitch.
00:02:29
Speaker
The Cubs wouldn't go down easy, scoring another two runs in the top of the eighth, On a triple, and an RBI groundout, but again, the Yankees would answer in the bottom of the inning with Earl Combs' RBI single. Yankee starter red roughing through a complete game, despite giving up six runs through those earned on 10 hits and six walks.
00:02:47
Speaker
Well, he did strike out 10 batters. Not his best performance, but when your offense scores 12 runs, it doesn't really matter.
00:02:54
Speaker
Game two, Chicago. Again, scores on the top of the first inning. On a Rick Stephenson sack fly with runners on first and third. But in the bottom half the inning, after two leadoff walks, um RBI singles from Lou Gehrig and Bill Dickey put the Yankees up 2-1. The Cubs would tie the game in the third when Stevenson doubled with two outs and scored on a Frank DeMar single.
00:03:14
Speaker
But in the bottom of the inning, Ben Chapman's two-run bases-loaded single put the Yankees ahead 4-2. They added another run in the fifth when Lou Gehrig hit a leadoff single, moved the second on the ground out, and scored on a Bill Dickey single.
00:03:26
Speaker
Both pitchers threw a complete game with the Yankees coming out on top 5-2. five two Game three, series shifted from New York Chicago, where 50,000 fans showed up. Very large for the time.
00:03:37
Speaker
Because there was temporary construction of temporary bleachers um on both Waveland and Sheriff Avenues. And while Gehrig and Ruth were taking batting practice, they were just up there hitting home runs before this game.
00:03:53
Speaker
Ruth said, I'd take half of my salary if I could play in this dump all the time. Absolutely wild statement, but with all of the name calling that was going on, yeah, that's I guess that's what you say.
00:04:05
Speaker
And you know what? I guess ruth Ruth was on to something because in the first inning, after a walk and an error, Ruth hits a home run in the right center field. Yankees up 3-0 in the first inning. ah The Cubs would get a run back in the bottom half of the inning on a Kiki Kyler RBI double.
00:04:21
Speaker
In the third inning, Gehrig would hit a solo blast of his own, putting the lead back to three. But the Cubs would chip away in getting within one, a Kiki Kyler solo shot, and another run scoring on an error. In the fifth inning, the famous Babe Ruth steps up to the plate, points out the center field, and proceeds to to hit a ball to the moon.
00:04:39
Speaker
What they called a 500-foot home run, just an absolute blast, the cold shot. Now, no one knows if this is really true, and it is stuff of legend. There's inclusive video footage and a lot of conflicting testimony to the event.
00:04:53
Speaker
yeah Some say Ruth was actually pointing at the Cubs dugout, trying to taunt him, pointing at the pitcher, pointing at center field. nobody really Nobody really knows, but the reporters were really quick to say, yes, Ruth called the shot.
00:05:05
Speaker
And Ruth knew at this point in his career that he had a larger-than-life figure. Everybody knew who he was. Everybody loved him. or loved him or hated him. And he was very quick to say, yeah, I called that.
00:05:16
Speaker
I meant to hit that home run. And again, Lou Gehrig gets overshadowed because he had a home run on the very next pitch. Yep. Yeah, that's crazy. um The Yankees would end up scoring one more unearned run in the ninth, which the Cubs got that back in the bottom of the inning.
00:05:32
Speaker
But the game would end 7-5, another Yankees win, putting the series lead seriously three to zero In Game 4, the Yankees loaded the bases in the top of the first inning on two singles and a hit-by-pitch, but were only able to score just a single run on Lou Gehrig's sack fly.
00:05:48
Speaker
In the bottom half, after two singles, Frank DeMar's three-run home run of Johnny Allen put the Cubs on top, three to one After an error and a single, Billy Jurgis' RBI single knocked Allen out of the game.
00:06:00
Speaker
We'll see Moore relieve them, put out the fire, giving up just one additional run in five and a third innings. Tony Lazeri's two-out, two-run home run in the third, cut the Cubs' lead to 4-3, and the Yankees took the lead in the sixth on a two-run single by Gehrig with Jackie May.
00:06:16
Speaker
But in the bottom half, two errors allowed the Cubs to tie the game. In the seventh inning, after loading the bases with three straight hits by Earl Combs, Joe Sewell, and Babe Ruth, the Yankees got up for good 9-5. The Yankees blew this game wide open in ninth inning off of Burley Grimes, ah started with a leadoff home run by Earl Combs, and then two outs after two outs, Garrick walked before Lazeri's second home run of the game, made it 12-5. They'd score one more run when Bill Dickey singled and scored.
00:06:44
Speaker
At bottom half of the inning, Herb Pinnock allowed a leadoff single to Billy Herman, who stole second and third on a defensive indifference and scored on a ground out. But Pinnock retired the next two hitters to end the series, picking up his second save.
00:06:55
Speaker
And despite Roos Heroics and the cold shot, Garrick was a real hero of the series. He had 529. He was 9 for 17. Three ah RBIs, eight RBIs and three home runs. And nobody talks about it because Roos Cold Shot.
00:07:08
Speaker
Yep. Took away from everything. Yeah, that's some Pepper Martin stuff right there. absolutely Pepper Martin. But I mean, like when it comes to Babe Ruth, what's more mythical?
00:07:19
Speaker
The cold shot or the Wilt 100 point game? We don't know what either one happened. I mean, those are tough. that's ah That's a tough comparison. But yeah, we don't have a lot of footage on either one.
00:07:30
Speaker
a lot of controversy surrounding either one. i i think that honestly could have been a decent conversation. to I know we have other ones coming up. don't know if you guys want to do the Hall of Fame stuff first or go into it now.
00:07:42
Speaker
But totally up to you. Okay. So, Hall of Famers. We got plenty of them. So, even know where to start, to be honest. But i guess we'll start here.
00:07:53
Speaker
We had some controversy with the club. Oh, yeah, you're right.
Joe McCarthy and Controversies
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Speaker
Umpire. I actually put it down, but I believe it was Bill k Clem. I'm dropping the ball today. Shocking. I'm pretty sure it was it was Bill Clem. Bill k Clem was umpire in the World Series.
00:08:07
Speaker
So, yeah, you're right. I don't know where it I didn't know what I was thinking there. I don't know what you're thinking every year. Come on. Yeah, I don't know what's up. But yeah, it was just Bill Club this time around. um We have some controversy, so it's little interesting here. So the Yankee manager, Joe McCarthy, who obviously won a lot more World Series coming up, he was the Cubs manager in 1930, got fired, and Rodgers Hornsby replaced him. I don't know who Rodgers Hornsby is.
00:08:31
Speaker
ah So they were actually very close friends. So there were actually rumors after Hornsby took over that he kind of went behind McCarthy's back to try to take his job. Hornsby vehemently denied these.
00:08:42
Speaker
But they would have gone against each other here, but there was one small problem. Hornsby didn't make it that long. So Bill Veek, who was president of the Cubs, actually briefly resigned when William Rigby – Rigby – Wrigley, sorry, fired Hornsby for McCarthy.
00:08:58
Speaker
But with Tick McCarthy – and – sorry, not – let me try that again. Sorry, I'm so tongue-tied right now. good But – So President Bill Veek briefly resigned when William Rigby fired Hornsby for McCarthy. But what ticked Veek and Rigby off most was when Hornsby, being a player manager, actually sent out a different player to go and argue a call with an umpire.
00:09:20
Speaker
And Veek fired him as a manager and released him as a player because of this. Because he felt he broke an important unwritten rule of baseball. So Hornby was part of the team, but obviously did not play or manage in the World Series.
00:09:33
Speaker
um I guess this might be part of the reason we can maybe hypothesize where there's not a lot of player managers anymore. um But I have him level five. That's wild. they Sorry, Mike. That's wild to like just say I'm more important than you. Go out there and argue that call.
00:09:46
Speaker
Right. so i kind of It is a fireable offense in my opinion for sure. um But yeah, so that's why I got a little tongue tied there. A lot of names. I apologize. But yeah, it's definitely a ah fun story, you know, 90 years later.
00:10:03
Speaker
But level five, number one second baseman, he's not in my Hall Fame as a manager, just to be clear. ah We got Kai Kai Kyler, third World Series appearance. for ah He has one ring.
00:10:14
Speaker
He had 278 with an 889 OPS, went 5 for 18. He had a home run, a triple, a double, two runs batted in. He's still level one, number 28 between Josh's favorite Sam Rice and new Hall of Famer Tony Oliva.
00:10:29
Speaker
Burley Grimes, welcome back and goodbye, Burley Grimes. He played two games, pitched 2.2 innings, had 700 runs. Yikes. lord See you in I know. I didn't hold this against him in my ranking, but basement it is.
00:10:44
Speaker
um I can't remember if we actually did an Izzy Hall of Famer on this guy, I didn't write it up. It's Gabby Hartnett. This is his second World Series appearance, but um he had a solid series. He had 313 with 978, 516 with a homer, two doubles, and a walk.
00:10:57
Speaker
I have him as the number 11 catcher between Mickey Cochran, who we've talked about for a while, and someone who I'm sure will stir up some controversy here, Yadier Molina. Yes, he's on my list. Deal with it.
00:11:08
Speaker
Now... well thank you for another day Welcome to the podcast, Mr. Billy Herman. And you know what time it is. It's been a while, but is he a Hall of Famer? So, Billy Herman, welcome to the pod. Can I
Hall of Fame Debate and Military Service Impact
00:11:20
Speaker
just say, we need to get, like, music when you do that.
00:11:22
Speaker
he a Hall Famer? Is he a Hall of Famer?
00:11:29
Speaker
If you guys want to record something, I can definitely save it. I'll just start saying it. I meant actual music, like not me saying it.
00:11:39
Speaker
I think it has to be you doing the ba-ba-ba-ba. We'll come up with some theme music and put that in next time. We have to spoof it. It'd be great. Everybody can look forward to that one. So Billy Herbert was a 10-time All-Star.
00:11:52
Speaker
um He was in there 10 different seasons. It wasn't like one of those double All-Star seasons or anything like that. He played 15 seasons for Chicago, Brooklyn, Boston when they were the Braves, and Pittsburgh. He had a career of 304 with a 774 OPS.
00:12:05
Speaker
He has three top five and four top 10 MVP finishes. His career stats don't look all that enticing, but he did lose two years, his age 34 and 35 seasons, to military service.
00:12:17
Speaker
He has career stats of 2,345 hits, only 47 home runs. Remember, he was second baseman. They didn't hit much. 839 runs batted in, and had a 57.4 war.
00:12:29
Speaker
In this series, he had.222 with OPS, 4 for 18, a double and a run batted in. Is he a Hall of Famer? Oh, boy.
00:12:40
Speaker
Zach, would you like to first on this one? or so Sure, sure. has me thinking a little bit just because of the average, you know me, big average guy. It's unfortunate that he's on the losing team because, honestly, he's one of the tougher guys to do.
00:12:53
Speaker
I know it's, it's borderline for me, but I think I would have to go. Okay. Go Josh. i I can't believe I'm saying this, but I was going to say yes. I agree with you. wow I mean, he he had some he had some top MVP finishes. His stats are very respectable. And yes, he was an average hitter. He wasn't a home run hitter.
00:13:13
Speaker
His war is definitely good for for a second baseman or a third baseman. And I mean, the guy lost, not not in his prime, but he he did lose two years coming off of a top five MVP finish to military service and clearly was not the same player when he came back.
00:13:27
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, I would say yes. I give him i would give him my my blessing. I echo all of your sentiments on that. um What going to also... i want to emphasize that military service thing. If someone's borderline to me and that's the reason that they're not you know in... Oh, good point.
00:13:45
Speaker
I think I got to give you the exit. In terms of not even like the fact that like these heroic guys you took time out of their careers to go when they had to do it. But they also...
00:13:56
Speaker
were so historically significant considering that time period. I think that matters. Can I just say that we now have that Zach doesn't like Bill White, relievers, and military veterans.
00:14:07
Speaker
um Jesus Christ! um
00:14:13
Speaker
Well done. other thing that I wanted to kind of touch base on with this... You're not editing that out. Oh, God. And Billy Herman fits this mold. is um I originally didn't have him in my list. I changed that in one of my earlier revisions. But I think baseball, you have magic numbers.
00:14:32
Speaker
3,000 hits, 500 home runs, 3,000 strikeouts, 300 wins. This might not be a popular take, but I think 10-time All-Star.
00:14:43
Speaker
If you're an All-Star 10 different seasons and you were All-Star level player for a decade, I find it very hard to keep you out. And I understand all-star games nowadays are more of a popularity contest. I still do kind of feel that way, though.
00:14:55
Speaker
If you were popular enough to be an all-star for 10 seasons, I think you're a Hall of Famer. I do. um you know You're not having these random schlubs getting in 10 times. You might get in once.
00:15:09
Speaker
You might have Jose Trevino get in one time. You might get in 10 times. And what brings me to that is because Yadier Molina was a controversial pick based on Josh's reaction. Yadier Molina was a 10-time all-star.
00:15:20
Speaker
i I do feel that way. I am consistent with it. I went through my list once, went through all the 10-time All-Stars. I only had two who weren't in. It was actually Steve Garvey and Bill Frey at the time. i put both of them in.
00:15:31
Speaker
Next year, Salvador Perez has nine All-Star teams. Oh, boy. I don't think he's there right now, but I think if you get that 10, I find it very hard to keep you out. I'm sorry. I do.
00:15:43
Speaker
You're an All-Star for a decade. A catcher. I don't know. It's just just a thought. I know I'm going a little long, but I just i i agree with you, Josh.
00:15:53
Speaker
And Zach, I'm sad that you are anti-war. No, no, no, no, no. I agree with you, but I don't know if I agree with the Yadier Merlina. Yeah, I can't get behind the Yachty thing just now. all Really? You both aren't on the Yachty? Okay. i don't That'll be a debate in 2028, I want to say.
00:16:11
Speaker
but i think I think like like ah the Chase-Helley debate of, well, he's a second baseman and that's why the war is different. It's like, yeah, well, that's why Molina's an all-star because catchers were terrible at that time.
00:16:24
Speaker
It's fair, but I think in order to be a top, let's say, two catchers get make the all-star game, To be a top four catcher in baseball for 10 years, I think that matters. I do.
00:16:38
Speaker
Catchers aren't known to last. He lasted 10 years at minimum. Real Muto's got to be up there then, though. What? JT Real Muto's probably up there. is I don't know how many All-Stars he has. I'll check it. I think he's at like four.
00:16:50
Speaker
He's usually too hard to play. Yeah. He's at three. Never mind. So imagine making seven more All-Star games than JT Real Muto. all right I think he's a Hall of Famer. I do.
00:17:02
Speaker
right. Moving on to the Yankees. What? No, sorry. You got me thinking. You really got me thinking about this. Yeah. I think that's a magic number, man. I do. And I think five top five and MVP finishes is a magic number too.
00:17:14
Speaker
If you're a top five guy in your league for for five years, I think you're in. And for a ranking for Billy Herman, I have him level one, number 17 between actually Tony Lazeri, so spoiler alert there, and Red Sheehan needs to we'll get to in probably about 10 years.
00:17:33
Speaker
ah Yankees. In real life or when we actually record? 10 episodes-ish. Actually, maybe more like 20 episodes, so ah while.
00:17:45
Speaker
He started his career in food. I like how you didn't laugh at all and just seriously answered that. Yeah, i because you're right. You're not wrong at all. Thank you. It was a legitimate question. So, Yankees. Joel McCarthy managing. It's his first World Series title. It's actually his second appearance because he did make one with the Cubs.
00:18:01
Speaker
um But it's his first one with the Yankees. First time ever making it with as a Yankee and won it. um I have him as the number two manager of all time between Casey Stengel and Connie Mack. yeah absolutely Going into my returners because a lot of them and then we'll get into a lot more fun. du duda dah So Babe Ruth, if you can believe it, the 10th and final World Series appearance for Babe Ruth.
00:18:22
Speaker
What a way to go out. Wow. Finishes with seven rings, four with the Yankees and three with Boston. He's 333 with 1.233 OPS, 5 for 15, 2 dingers, 6 runs batted in, and 4 walks.
00:18:36
Speaker
Once again, level 5, number 1 all time. Earl Combs, 4th and final appearance as well, his 3rd ring. Hit 375 with a 1.125 OPS. He did well in this series.
00:18:46
Speaker
1 home run, 4 runs batted in, 4 walks. I have him in the basement for center field. Luke Gehrig, fourth appearance, third ring, hit 529 with 1.718 OPS. so Like Josh said, he dominated. and 9 for 17, three home runs, eight runs batted in, a double and two walks.
00:19:03
Speaker
And remember, this was in four games. Number one, first baseman. Tony Lazeri mentioned his ranking before, level 116 between Nelly Fox and Billy Herman. his fourth appearance, third ring, 294 batting average, 1.015 OPS, 5 for 17, two home runs, five runs batted in, and two walks.
00:19:21
Speaker
Side note, everybody in this so everybody who was a Hall of Famer on this team dominated. Pretty clearly. This is insane. and As I'm just reading through this. um Herb Penick, fifth and final World Series appearance.
00:19:33
Speaker
He was technically part of seven World Series teams. Played on five winning ones. I'm sorry. i Played on five World Series appearances. Four rings. Three if you count the one.
00:19:44
Speaker
I'm sorry. Five only count the one he didn't play in. In this series, he pitched in two games, both for no decisions, because he actually got the save in both. So Zach really doesn't like him. Oh my God. He earned runs in four innings, four strikeouts, one walk, and he is part of the basement. So Zach, I agree with you on that one.
00:20:00
Speaker
Um, Joe Sewell. I don't know if I ever did an Izzy All-Favor for him either, but we talked about him because he literally never struck out, like, ever. um It was his second and final World Series and his second ring. He hit.333 a.900 OPS.
00:20:13
Speaker
Hit 5 for 15, won double, three runs batted in, four walks. I have him number 13 at shortstop at level one between Joe Cronin and Pee Wee Reese, who we will be getting to quite a bit soon enough.
00:20:25
Speaker
Now, Josh, hit the music. dot dada da Is your whole favorite that da just John Cena's music from w WWE? We got three of them tonight for the Yankees.
00:20:39
Speaker
So technically it's his first World Series appearance because he was a DNP before, and I can't remember if we played this last time, so is he a Hall Famer? 17 seasons, all with the Yankees, and half the reason why the Yankees have two number eights chilling on the wall of numbers in Monument Park. 313 batting average, 868 OPS. This is for 127 OPS plus. 1,969 hits, 202 runs, 1,209 RBI.
00:20:59
Speaker
ah hundred and twenty seven op plus one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine hits two hundred and two home runs one thousand two hundred nine rbi Three top five and five top ten MVP finishes. 56.4 war. And by the way, he's a catcher.
00:21:14
Speaker
Spoiler alert, he's going to common thread in this podcast too because he's part of eight series and won seven of them. Oh, yeah. Is he a Hall of Famer? Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:21:26
Speaker
Yes, he is. i have him. It's weird because catchers are so weird, but I have a level one, but the number nine catcher of all time between Carlton Fisk and Mickey Cochran. ah So i haven him just above Cochran and below Fisk, but he killed it in the series. Hit 438 with a 964 OPS, seven hits, four unbatted in.
00:21:45
Speaker
Next guy, welcome to the podcast, Lefty Gomez. Is he a Hall of Famer? 14 seasons, 13 with the Yankees. Went 189-102 with a 3.34 ERA, 125 ERA+, plus and only 1468 strikeouts, which sounds small for the time period, but he actually led the league in strikeouts three times.
00:22:04
Speaker
He also the league in ERA twice, wins twice, and shutouts three times. They didn't Cy Youngs back then, but he was two-top-five and a three-top-ten MVP finisher. Made seven all-star teams, won two triple crowns, and was part of six championship teams.
00:22:19
Speaker
Is he a Hall of Famer? Two triple crowns? um Yes, two triple crowns. Absolutely. Obviously. And being part of six championship teams helps significantly, but i don't think he even would have needed the help.
00:22:33
Speaker
His numbers actually look very similar to like a modern Hall of Fame case minus the strikeouts. I mean...
00:22:41
Speaker
Triple crowns and being on a good team really have nothing to do with each other. No, I was saying, like, if if we just look at his numbers, back then, because pitchers won a lot more games, it might not have looked like enough at a first glance.
00:22:56
Speaker
But I think having that many championship teams does help him out a little bit, too. But Josh, what do you think? Yes, I agree. He's a Hall of Famer. I agree. i have him number 51 all time as a starting pitcher. Between a couple guys you might remember, Don Drysdale, Bob Lemon.
00:23:12
Speaker
I have him level one with them. But um honestly, looking at these numbers, I think I might need to move him up. I like doing these because it's like a deep dive and kind of seeing where I was right, where I was wrong.
00:23:24
Speaker
And I think I might need to move them up. These is some really good numbers for the era. But in this series, you might want to know with a complete game, as Josh mentioned, two runs, only one earned. Warm welcome from Mr. Gomez. um last my My only gripe with him is he didn't play very long.
00:23:38
Speaker
That was my gripe with him. And the strikeout numbers were low, but now that we've done the pod more, I'm realizing that's era-based. Not him. But our last Hall of Famer tonight is another pitcher, Red Ruffing.
00:23:51
Speaker
Is he a Hall of Famer? This is another one that has kind of a similar modern resume. 273 wins, 225 losses, a 3.8 1,987 strikeouts, and a 109 career ERA+. yeah plus So for his whole career, he was 9% above league average.
00:24:08
Speaker
He led the league in wins twice and losses twice. Low-key, when he played for Boston, he led the league in losses. So, cool. part of the course there. ah He also led the league in strikeouts, shutouts, and complete games one time each.
00:24:20
Speaker
Two top five, three top ten MVP finishes as well, and a career of 55.3 in war. What do we think? um I'm actually very interested in your thoughts on this one. Sherm, you go first. I was to say we already know what Zach's answer is.
00:24:34
Speaker
um Do we? Yeah, he served in the military for two years. Oh, yes, he did. You guys, you're terrible. okay um But you know what? I'm actually going to have to agree with Zach. He's not.
00:24:49
Speaker
I'm sorry. I agree. He's not a Hall of Famer. ah His stats are there good, but they're not great. Nothing jumps off the page at me. ah He just happened to play from when he was 19 until he was 42 and accumulated a ton of war.
00:25:06
Speaker
Yeah. His stats... a Yeah, I'm not there. mean, the guy played on the Yankees for 10 years. You've got to win some World Series. I get that. yeah And his win-loss record is 273, 225.
00:25:21
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. Once you read the losses, Mac, I went, ooh, like 200-something losses. I mean, he did play on some bad Boston teams, but like it's yeah he was not good on those teams either.
00:25:36
Speaker
So it's actually very interesting because Red Ruffing was on 15 ballots. Um, but what happened was back in the sixties, if a guy, if no one got in on the BBWA vote, they actually do a runoff election. They take like the top couple candidates and you'd have to vote for one and whoever got the most votes won at that point.
00:25:54
Speaker
So in his 15th year, he got in on a runoff election. Wait, so they just like had to put a guy in. Right. And it it went to rock. So Red Ruffing got 72.6% of the vote originally, and it was his final ballot, um or would have been his final ballot either way because he has a big red X next to his name on Baseball Reference.
00:26:18
Speaker
When you go the runoff, he got 86.9%.
00:26:22
Speaker
Over Joe Medley, Roy Campanella, etc. So that was how they did it back then. They didn't want to have a shutout class. So that was how they would result in it. um So yeah, so Red Ruffing technically got in through that technicality. He probably would have gotten into a veterans committee anyway, considering he had 72% of the vote yeah know standalone.
00:26:40
Speaker
But it did take a while for him to get in. I also agree with you, Josh. I'm a no. ah The 3.8 ERA in that era, kind of like we were talking about Gomez, the era for strikeouts was low.
00:26:52
Speaker
But Run numbers are rough. He had a 1.341 whip. I'm just not there. But it's a similar case to Jack Morris, who I've kind of come around on more.
00:27:03
Speaker
um But put it this way, CeCe Sabathia had a point zero five lower ERA. Wow. Oh, that's pretty crazy now that you say that. But think of the era. No, exactly. Yeah.
00:27:15
Speaker
yeah I mean, you think of the error and then you also can remember that this guy's probably given up. I don't know. One and a half times more of these runs because of how many errors were being. Yeah. Good point. I mean, you got this guy's given up a lot of runs, man.
00:27:27
Speaker
Just to catch my mistake. He actually had 68.6 career war. I don't know what I said before, but his war was higher than I thought. I still don't see it though. I mean, this guy's given up, this guy's given up at least two runs.
00:27:40
Speaker
He's probably given up about a run every inning. Honestly. with With the error that that he played in and and with how many... and Yeah, I'm not there. not Yeah, I don't know if I can vote yes on him either. That's rough.
00:27:55
Speaker
It's a shame. This guy's going to throw a complete game like they did back in the day. He's given up at least five runs. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if can put him in.
00:28:08
Speaker
And that concludes his heel Hall of Famer for 1932. It's music, Josh. I'm not doing the music anymore. or Okay, we'll i'll think of something. But I'm still on that. they literally I don't think it's honestly, it's not really a we thing. It's a you're the one with the DJ stuff.
00:28:23
Speaker
Oh, God. I mean, listen, if you do that, I'll stop saying you hate veterans, okay? ah
00:28:30
Speaker
I'm going to cut some of this out. That's my trade offer. Yeah, we have a lot to edit it out tonight. yeah you talking oh No, you're not allowed to edit that out. ah Some of it I will be. All right, well, the first one yeah the first one you're not a allowed to edit out. after that No, no. The first one were funny.
00:28:42
Speaker
Yeah, the first one was funny. That was egregious.
00:28:46
Speaker
I'm still on the runoff election thing that, oh, we can't let nobody get in the Hall of Fame, so we just have to vote somebody in? Like, that just seems stupid. Well, football's doing that right now. i mean, you always had, like, a minimum of four and a maximum of six.
00:28:59
Speaker
Now it kind of became a minimum of three, and everybody's going nuts about it, including me, because there should be a lot more than three getting in, and they better find a way to get more than three. So so it is it has been done.
00:29:13
Speaker
just seems stupid to me. You also just had so many guys contending for ballot space at that point that you kind of just had to at least move somebody along. Remember, you can only vote for 10, and if there's 20 worthy candidates, everyone knows somebody belongs.
00:29:27
Speaker
just don't think Ruffing would have been the guy who belonged over some of those other guys on the list. like Yeah, you said Campanella. Exactly. I heard that name, and i was like, what? Yeah, I don't get that at all. All right, so going back to Babe Ruth's called shot.
Iconic FU Moments in Sports
00:29:43
Speaker
Now, kind of got me thinking that that was a real moment where there was some real edge. There was a lot of swagger to it before swagger was really a thing um that sort of taunt the typical Fortnite emo, allowing the audience to get into this.
00:30:01
Speaker
But it really just had that kind of edge, and I call it an f FU edge. So my question for you fellas is what is the greatest FU moment in sports history or life history?
00:30:15
Speaker
i was I was struggling, so you you guys can go first.
00:30:23
Speaker
Joshua? um
00:30:27
Speaker
The only one that I can really think of is that one time Paul Correa nearly died when Scott Stevens hit him. Oh, yes. of Like, absolutely just destroyed him, and he came back and scored, and they won the game.
00:30:42
Speaker
that That was like the, know it's really like an f FU moment, but it's like, but it's definitely like, uh, I'm him.
00:30:50
Speaker
Like you can put me down, but I'm gonna come back. What about Weber? Who do you think you are? i am. I mean, that's, that's just hilarious. That one came to mind immediately.
00:31:01
Speaker
i didn't share that with you guys prior because I'm like, I got to stash that one. I forgot about that one. Yeah, that's right. Who do you think you are? I am. That's a good one.
00:31:12
Speaker
I still can't believe that happened. That's like yeah absolutely wild. Another one stuck out to me more modern, football. Richard Sherman and Michael Crabtree. and The NFC Championship game when the Seahawks beat the 49ers.
00:31:26
Speaker
And Aaron Andrews, I believe it was, on the field asking him, like, take me through the play. And he goes, well i'm the best I'm the best corner in the game. Will you try being a sorry receiver like Crabtree? That's the resort you don't get. it Don't you ever talk about me?
00:31:37
Speaker
I ain't no thug. And let the record show he went to an Ivy League school. He is very smart. He also continued that with two different things that really stuck out to me in his career. He was on Skip Bayless' show. I forget which show was the time. might have been Undisputed. might have been First Take.
00:31:53
Speaker
But Bayless said some stuff about him. And he he goes on the show and he says, Skip, going to answer all your questions. But every time you address me, I want it to be – um All pro corner Stanford graduate, Richard Sherman.
00:32:08
Speaker
You have to call me that and I'll answer anything you want. I love that. You're in that. Grew up in Compton, went to Stanford, graduated Stanford, became an All-Pro corner.
00:32:19
Speaker
He's a great story. And the other thing that stuck out to me about him was he walked up because there was a lot of player safety issues going on at the time. Thursday Night Football is starting to be a thing. He walks up there with a cardboard cutout of, I believe, Doug Baldwin.
00:32:33
Speaker
And he didn't care about getting fined with the media. He goes up to a press conference and he's like basically playing puppet show with Doug Baldwin's cutout, just making fun of Roger Goodell and the NFL's policies. I think he's the epitome of FU in sports.
00:32:46
Speaker
So shout out to Richard Sherman. The other one I had here was the Reggie Miller choke sign with Spike Lee. That's a good And kind of came full circle this past NBA playoff season when Josh Hart walks up to Reggie Miller as he's calling the game while the Knick fans are chanting, you know, FU Reggie.
00:33:05
Speaker
And he goes, you know, I don't know if you can hear them, but he repeated what the fans are saying on national television. Yeah. So i a couple of moments stuck out to me, but I think none topped just the the subtlety of the Babe Ruth called shot.
00:33:20
Speaker
There's something about that. It's just, you don't have to say a word. just going point. And maybe I did it. Maybe I did. Maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. But I'm going to call that shot anyway.
00:33:32
Speaker
The few I had were mostly basketball as well. I thought of Dame hitting the logo shot to send the Thunder home. What was that? That's good 2018, 2019. And the waving goodbye. Yeah, that was pretty nasty.
00:33:46
Speaker
That's a good one. I didn't think of that. That's a great one. Yeah, cause and then he did the Dame Time celebration afterwards too. and Yup. Yeah, that's a pretty good one. I thought of the Jordan. i didn't know which one to pick. So like either the flu game or like the shot.
00:34:01
Speaker
I thought both were – I don't know if those are more FU than just like I'm him moments, I guess you could say. Yeah, I guess I think the shot more than the flu game, the shot where he, like, went over the Cavaliers. Yes.
00:34:15
Speaker
But, yeah, I guess it would be that. Because the flu game, he couldn't even lift his head when he's on the bench. Yeah, you're right. yeah So I i definitely can see that as, like, an I'm him thing after the fact that he could have pointed to.
00:34:28
Speaker
But in the moment, I don't think he had that in mind. And in terms of, like, calling your shot, I thought of two... Like they're, they're unfortunately they're MMA, so they're not going to be very well known. Um, Mike, do you know the famous Masvidal like flying knee to Ben Askren? Yes.
00:34:45
Speaker
Okay. So you know that that's the fastest knockout in UFC history, but Masvidal actually said like, I'm going to knock Ben out. in the you know, but everyone says they're going him out of course, but like he did point to his knee before he ran at him, which is pretty crazy.
00:34:58
Speaker
And what else? This past year, UFC 300, Max Holloway knocked Justin Gaethje out. There was 10 seconds left in the fight, and he pointed at the center of the ring, and both of them stood and just traded until one of them knocked each other out. That's pretty crazy.
00:35:14
Speaker
i In terms of like calling a you know shot, I guess, that's how trying to come up with stuff like that. Right. There's no there's no like baseball moment. I was really sitting there trying to think, like,
00:35:25
Speaker
No baseball moment can come close, at least something that I'm thinking of. you know I had a hockey moment, actually. I had another hockey moment when Messier said that the Rangers would game win game six and he went out and had a hat trick.
00:35:39
Speaker
Oh, there you go. If you tie in that, I guess Joe Namath's guarantee would be in there, too. that's a good That's a good way to turn it around, yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, i was I was trying to keep it baseball-centric, but it's I found it pretty difficult to come up with something.
00:35:55
Speaker
like related that way. i don't know if you guys can think of anything. I mean, the other ones I mentioned were kind of just so clearly out there, like Miller choking. And no I guess in this day and age, it's kind of hard to do that because there is no mystique where we have every camera angle. We have social media, you know,
00:36:13
Speaker
examining everything that goes on. So I don't think there's any modern example that can really hit quite like the cold shot, but we definitely do have some of those edge moments that I feel like people knock about sports now because everybody's friends and all that, but we still have those moments every once in a while where you can kind of see the competitive hate come out every once in a while.
00:36:34
Speaker
ah The only guy and that that that I've seen calling a shot is Jad Chisholm, and it's usually just him sitting down on the bench after crying. Yep. Uh-huh. Pretty much. We love the Jazz hate. We love the Jazz hate in this Yeah, because he sucks.
00:36:50
Speaker
But we can turn it over to just some basic free agent signings, I guess. Are we surprised about Sasaki? No. Not at all. Not at all. Not the slightest. Just kind of boring at this point. I was just waiting for it to happen. Yeah.
00:37:04
Speaker
um Yeah. And then have to sit there and go through MLB's social medias as they sit there and they post four times a day. Rookie Sasaki is the best number is the best number one prospect that we've seen in the last 15 years. No kidding.
00:37:16
Speaker
Of course he is. Because he's been playing in Japan for his whole career. They only have to pay him $6.5 million for a signing bonus too. So that's nuts. It's unbelievable. Yeah. But i mean I mean, the question becomes like,
00:37:29
Speaker
If you're another team, like literally any other team in the league, and you want to sign a guy from Japan, how do you compete with that? You don't. Yeah, the three biggest players, the Japanese player is currently alive, except maybe Yu Darvish.
00:37:43
Speaker
um Who's not there? Actively playing. And Darvish is at the very end of his career. Right. I'd love to know how close the Padres got. Because apparently they've been in contact with him for a long time. I would assume not at all.
00:37:56
Speaker
I would assume the Blue Jays were close second. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think the only reason why the Padres and the Blue Jays were even there was so he could get a little bit more money. Yep.
00:38:08
Speaker
Hate to see it. But I think this leads to the be the bigger question. and I think we could go on a very long tangent about this is that if these international guys are allowed to come to America specifically the Japanese guys and pick whatever team they want they're under team control for a long time because they're under the age of 27 a guy like Paul Skeens that now has to get drafted and goes to a complete dumpster fire in the Pirates where they will continue to be a dumpster fire
International Players and MLB Draft
00:38:38
Speaker
until he's 27 and most likely for years and years after that why doesn't he get a chance to pick
00:38:46
Speaker
Oh, I agree. So it begs the difference of can the draft all together, which they'll never do, or make these international guys apply to be drafted. I think that's what they should do. I think that. Yeah, you have to really iron that out.
00:38:59
Speaker
Yeah, I think a draft is needed for some reason. You can't have guys like Otani, Yamamoto, Imanaka, Sasaki all come to America and just pick a team. I mean, it worked when there were very few of these guys coming to America.
00:39:14
Speaker
But that was 20 years ago. you no one else It's time for a life change. There's got to be something in CBA with that, along with the whole contract deferments. Because, I mean, I'm not going sit here and talk about the Dodgers as a hypocrite, knowing full well what the Yankees have been doing for 20-plus years.
00:39:29
Speaker
Just because someone's doing it better than us, not going complain about it. don't worry. Hal will cry about it, though. That's fine. Oh, I know. But my my point here is is the fact that I have no problem what they're doing in a baseball sense. They're taking advantage of the rules that are here and they're going to ride it as long as they can. But when this new CBA runs out and they're starting to negotiate something new, I don't know how this is going to work with the other owners.
00:39:54
Speaker
I don't know if the owners are going to be able to come up with some kind of solution for themselves before they even present something to the players. And we're going to have a really long lockout on our hands. Yeah. I was saying this off pod. I don't know what you guys think about a salary floor. I actually think a floor might be more important than a cap in situations like this. I agree.
00:40:14
Speaker
So teams like the A's and and the White Sox so have to spend, and the Pirates too. Maybe the Pirates keep skeins and actually market themselves you know and put something together instead of just shipping away all their players.
00:40:26
Speaker
I think if a floor is absolutely necessary, especially when you have teams like the athletics who who don't want to spend money, although somehow they've started spending a little bit of money, but you can't have these, these owners that are these multi gazillionaires and they just go, oh no i'm not going to spend on this team.
00:40:41
Speaker
Yeah. You know, it's sad though. Well, baseball's the only sport without a salary cat, but baseball's the sport that's had the most parody over the last 20 years.
00:40:52
Speaker
So there might something to it. Think about it. We haven't had a repeat champion in baseball since the Yankees. The Chiefs are about to win a third Super Bowl. We're putting this out. we' probably protect We'll this in the Bowl.
00:41:05
Speaker
But um I can say it right now. They'll find a way to rig it for the Chiefs to win a third straight Super Bowl. ah Either way, they have three titles. ah The Patriots had six. Tom Brady himself had seven.
00:41:17
Speaker
ah The Giants had two even in a five-year span. MLB, we haven't really had any. I mean, we talked about the Giants and the Red Sox. I was going to say the Giants won three. It won one. Here's okay. Yeah.
00:41:31
Speaker
But we haven't had a repeat champion.
00:41:34
Speaker
I mean, having i hockey and i don't know but I don't know about basketball, but in hockey, there's only been one repeat champion in the last 20 years. Basketball, we've had basketball we've had more parity now than we have in the past, significantly more.
00:41:45
Speaker
um But we obviously had the Warriors. We had you know LeBron being in the finals for years upon years in a row on different teams. um Other than that, it's been pretty mellow lately.
00:41:57
Speaker
But at the time, there was no parity at all. And i on popular opinion, I love the NBA right now. There's just so much parity. And I think that's what's killing the ratings is the fact that every team is pretty good. There's no there's no one to really hate, right which is causing some difficulty. There's no villain. And in the NBA, you kind of need more of one.
00:42:15
Speaker
But baseball, like the Dodgers are a clear villain. Oh, yeah. But how how much have they really done to deserve it? They've won one ring and besides the COVID ring. They're playing by the rules. It's like you said. they just think got out yeah started out Now it's started.
00:42:30
Speaker
Yes. If they win again, then yeah. I think they went they've gone from disliked to completely hated this in the last three months. yeah But I don't get why Don't hate the player, hate the game.
00:42:42
Speaker
No, the thing that no thing and I hate... um um First of all, I think deferring money is ridiculous. MLB is not the only league that has deferrals.
00:42:52
Speaker
and NHL has deferrals. It's just very, very rarely used. Um... But the problem that I have with the Dodgers is really not a problem with the Dodgers per se. It's a problem with the rest of the league because the Dodgers are doing all this deferring and signing these guys and blah, blah, blah, blah. blah And they have other executives and owners and stuff going on, you know, the local media, whatever. is And they're saying, you know, you got to commend the Dodgers. Like, well we can't spend like that. But you just got to commend what they're doing and doing everything by the book. They're not breaking rules. They're building a good team. Yeah, you want me to quote them? I can quote the quote.
00:43:27
Speaker
But this is also these are also the same owners that are that when Steve Cohen bought the Mets and said, I'm going to spend money. I don't care if i'm playing ah you know my team I'm losing money here. I want this team to win. They sat there around and absolutely cried and moaned and cried some more, so much so that they had to create a new level of tax they named after the guy.
00:43:47
Speaker
They were so afraid that this guy was going to spend money on his team. But when the Dodgers do it, it's a problem. it's It's not a problem, I mean. But when this guy was going to buy a team that historically didn't spend money because they had the worst owners in sports, and now when new guys kind of come in and start spending money, they had a problem with it. But the Dodgers do it, it's okay. that That is what I don't understand. It it makes zero sense to me.
00:44:13
Speaker
Yeah. I think the owners are really going to need to work this out amongst themselves too because there's clearly guys like Steve Cohen and there's guys like John Fisher. there You can't have that much of a disparity and have everybody on an equal you know playing field.
00:44:28
Speaker
But I don't know. I think the Dodgers are getting hated. And I mean, I'll i'll give this Hal quote now so we can get into it. Hal Steinbrenner did an injur interview the other day, and he was talking about all the Dodgers spending, and I will read it. Quote, it's difficult for most of us owners to be able to do the kind of things they're doing. We'll have to see if it pays off.
00:44:47
Speaker
End quote. You shouldn't be lumping yourselves in with most owners, Hal. You are in the New York Yankees, but I'll let you guys say your piece. i guess i Would you like to before I go off?
00:45:00
Speaker
Sure. I think that was his passive-aggressive jab at, you know, if this works, great. If it doesn't work, you're screwed. It already worked. That's how I read it. Exactly. But I don't know if that's necessarily as bad as maybe it sounded on paper, I guess, when I heard it out loud.
00:45:19
Speaker
And I do think Hal is better about spending money, and I usually agree with a lot of his takes on that. But he he's in a different tax bracket than 90% of the owners in baseball. i He should not be saying things like that.
00:45:32
Speaker
You know what I mean? May I? go ahead. Go for it. So to put into perspective these ridiculous comments of this absolute goddamn moron.
00:45:45
Speaker
boy. The New York Yankees were the highest grossing team in Major League Baseball by a wide margin. A wide margin. They made more money than Dodgers by a lot.
00:45:59
Speaker
And this guy's going to sit here and complain that he can't spend as much money. You made more money than this team. And you're not going to spend it and then say, i'm not I can't spend that kind of money. i don't I don't get it. your earlyy spell it youre You're selling chicken buckets for at the stadium.
00:46:16
Speaker
ah you're You're making what you call Zeppelis or just complete trash. I mean, you're paying your employees like $4 an hour. That's why it takes them an hour to make a hot dog.
00:46:32
Speaker
I mean, what are we doing here? You are making the most money in this league by a wide margin and they complain that that you can't, that you don't want to spend it because it's too much money.
00:46:44
Speaker
i mean i mean, it it becomes the argument of, well, how rich do you need to be? What is Steinbrenner doing in the offseason? Your only job is to own this team.
00:46:55
Speaker
And then you can sit back and watch the money roll in.
00:46:59
Speaker
I mean, you live you're already live in life. You're making than enough money to do whatever the heck you want. Then buy whatever you want. Yeah. I just, I don't, obviously he does not have the love and the cutthroatness that his father had, but he doesn't want to sell the team because of the family name. I don't know.
00:47:21
Speaker
But to make the statements that he's making are ridiculous. And I mean, I can understand things like, well, we're not going to pay Soto because we don't think he's worth that kind of money, but we're going to go spend money somewhere else.
00:47:34
Speaker
Fine. I can understand statements like that. But to sit there and go, well, we can't spend that kind of money because it's not affordable. While another team making less revenue than you is spending more money than you.
00:47:48
Speaker
Blows my mind. Crazy. Absolutely blows my mind.
00:47:53
Speaker
Sell the team. Well said. Well said. Yeah, I don't know. i think we're going to have a long lockout on our hands, I feel, once the CBA
MLB's Future and Collective Bargaining Agreement
00:48:02
Speaker
is up. I think it's going to be a minute before we get all this ironed out. but ah i mean as As it is every time.
00:48:08
Speaker
Yeah, for real. owners are dumb. The players want to actually have a good time. And Manfred is too busy. i i mean, a dude, know he's got devil horns growing out of the top of his head.
00:48:23
Speaker
yeah It's going to be fun. I remember, because we haven't talked about it in a while, that Manfred is going to retire within the next five years, and he anticipates having two brand new teams by the time he retires.
00:48:34
Speaker
And two lockouts. Yeah. yeah What a great legacy. But hey, guess what? The pitch clock is working, but we're also not going use automated bowls and strikes. But don't worry. He'll get in the Hall of Fame, and Barry Bonds won't.
00:48:46
Speaker
Yeah, that that is crazy. Don't worry. Oh, God. Anyway, sell the team. Yeah. Small free agent roundup. Tommy Canely.
00:48:58
Speaker
I'll miss him. wait. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Speaking of free agents and yankees um the the Yankees have zero left-handed pitchers in their bullpen, and Tim Hill is a free agent. You're going to tell me about spending money.
00:49:10
Speaker
Did the guy – did he, like, have a heart attack and die and it's just not being reported? Like, this guy should have been signed the day after the World Series ended. Yeah, where is Tim Hill? Yeah, that's really good question. I do not get it.
00:49:22
Speaker
I don't know. like like And it's not even like, ah oh, I'm not going to spend money. That guy's going to be cheap. Nobody wants him. That's how you got him. Nobody wanted him.
00:49:34
Speaker
Yeah. Good question. Anyway. Continue. Tommy Canely. Yeah, we lost another bullpen arm. There you go. I'll miss Tommy Canely. To the Tigers, look at them.
00:49:44
Speaker
Seven and a half. I missed Tommy Canley the first time he left because he's an absolute personality. And he pitched well. He did. But, ah you know, do we need him? The one thing that we need from him is that competitive fire that we don't have in a lot of these guys.
00:50:04
Speaker
We have a lot of nice guys. guy like him who had that fire in him where he absolutely hated to screw up. we need ah We do need a guy like that. Where he threw 50 change-ups in a row.
00:50:16
Speaker
Yeah. a good change-up. I thought it was funny, and I mean, this is this kind of a throwback, but ah back when they had guys like Batanzas and Chapman in the bullpen, and they did that commercial that one time, and it was like,
00:50:31
Speaker
i don't even remember what it was but they were like pretending to be like contractors or something. And they were just like, we bring the heat. And it was just Tommy Kaley's voice over and over and over again the background. We bring the heat. I just remember that commercial because it was so funny.
00:50:44
Speaker
Andrew Miller was on that team too. Remember that? and no're On DMC. Yeah. Dylan Miller Chapman. Yeah. What a time. What a time. We were bad that year though, weren't we? We didn't do anything. We were. if We gave them all up.
00:50:57
Speaker
Yeah. cool Oh, Scherzer to the Blue Jays. Yeah, it dropped this afternoon. Toronto wants to somebody to take their money. Blue Jays did a good job giving away some money recently.
00:51:09
Speaker
Santander too. Oh, and Santander, that's right. Sometimes when you're the second place team, you have to just go get somebody. Yeah, I guess so. i i forget I forget what reporter posted it today, but they were like, in a season where the Blue Jays are always the second choice,
00:51:27
Speaker
They really had a great offseason and graded them an A. What? Countless. Yeah, exactly. it was just countless Blue Jays fans going, so we're everybody's second choice, and we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, but you gave us an A. So we're E for effort, apparently. Yeah.
00:51:41
Speaker
Interesting spot for him, but I mean, he's just compiling at this point, right? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, he's got 3,400 strikeouts. He's not close to 300 wins. hes He's just there for pay checks and kicks and giggles.
00:51:54
Speaker
He thinks... that he can still be a competent pitcher. He's not going to win a Cy Young, but he thinks that he's still a solid pitcher in a rotation.
00:52:05
Speaker
I don't mean to do the typical Hockey Hall of Fame stuff, but Josh, I gotta ask you, does Scherzer fit in line with your definition of cheater? What? Because he did get suspended.
00:52:18
Speaker
Oh, relax. Will you not vote for Max Scherzer? That was a bogus suspension, though. i it be honest with you, I don't remember the circumstances entirely around that suspension, but I do remember it being not.
00:52:28
Speaker
It was bogus. We had a whole thing on the pod. I remember it being bogus. Okay. I'm just wondering has he got suspended for breaking rules. um See, my thing... yeah You got more time suspended than Barry Bonds. yeah My thing, personally, with the sticky stuff, is that it is all a complete load of horse crap.
00:52:44
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It is. It is. Especially because there it is completely discretionary. yeah That's why. um If it was like an open and shut case, like, oh, this guy had sticky stuff or whatever, I would get it.
00:52:58
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But it is completely at the umpire's discretion. The same guys that can't be trusted to call bulls and strikes are somehow trusted, too. make decisions like that. discernive. Yeah. Fair enough. So one form of cheating is fine. The other form's not. Oh, can we get it, Mike?
00:53:13
Speaker
Gotcha. Cool. is it Is it cheating, though, when other players have ah made videos and shown very clearly how you can make the exact same amount of sticky stuff with just sweat and rosin that you're like? exactly trust Trevor Bauer. That's of the story for of the day.
00:53:28
Speaker
I mean, we can talk about Trevor Barrett he said some things. The second most popular player in the world. Yeah, why? Not that one. That one, I didn't really care about. 20 hitters that are real competition. Yeah, 20 hitters are real competition for me. I thought that one was quite And then have some nerds on Barstool hitting dingers off him in a simulated game. was going to say, isn't he in the Mexican League? You're like, what is he doing now? He's in Japan now. Yeah, the same league that goes hitting 450 in right now. Yeah.
00:53:50
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ah Come on, buddy. He has a YouTube channel. He's funny. he has a personality. That's about it. Yep. He did when I saw Young. A long time ago now. In in a COVID year. Yeah.
00:54:03
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Mickey Mouse, Cy Young. I mean, if you're if you're telling me that there is... Listen, I would take him on Yankees, that's all I'm saying. I'd take him for league minimum still, I would. um Yeah, he's and he's willing to play for league minimum.
00:54:16
Speaker
I would still do that. I think there are plenty of teams out there that would take that should take a guy like that on their team and could use a guy like that. I don't disagree. He's just a head case, clearly. He's got some issues.
00:54:28
Speaker
Yep. Hey, Ozuna's in the league. Hermann's the league. Yeah, you're wrong. You're not wrong. Josh, your Reds also made a trade. Acquired Taylor Rodgers from the Giants for some minor leaguers.
00:54:39
Speaker
All right. First of all, don't call them my Reds. But listen, if there's a dark horse candidate this season. See, when I do this with the Phillies, you guys don't like it. Because first of all, there's nothing horse. this the third year in a row you've had the Reds as dark horse? Yeah, yeah. No, it's the second year.
00:54:57
Speaker
Okay. ah first First of all, there's nothing dark horse about the Phillies. And I didn't go out and celebrate the Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl like you did and are going to attempt to do again a few weeks from now. and I'm not worried. We'll have to figure out what you're going to do.
00:55:13
Speaker
And you know it too. But listen, you got the Reds who now have an actual manager, some really good players. And yeah, they made a pretty good trade. I mean, I don't think Rodgers is game-breaking or anything, but that's a good trade for them.
00:55:25
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They didn't give up much.
00:55:30
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oh That's all I have to say. I think he's a good player. And if the Reds win the World Series, you'll be out there partying, won't you? Absolutely not. I don't believe you. Why would I party? Put it this way. If the Rangers won the Stanley Cup, I'm not going to party.
00:55:44
Speaker
Exactly. If the Mets win the World Series, I'm not going to party. there This is the city that I grew up in. I am not going. Okay.
00:55:54
Speaker
right Okay, we know we know you just got you got you got extreme FOMO. But that's inexcusable. Yes, you did. Inexcusable, sorry. You're absolutely right. It's big FOMO, huge. It's a sin worse than death. All right, Mac, is it time for the Hall of Fame update?
00:56:10
Speaker
If you would like, it's up to you. Is there anything else you want to hit before that? don't think so. I mean, we talked about a Yates to the Dodgers, too. and Not that anybody is surprised. Yep.
00:56:20
Speaker
Did they sign somebody else? Another reliever? Tanner Scott? Tanner Scott, yeah. by god you We're just upset at this point, but what are you going to There's just nothing else to say on it.
00:56:31
Speaker
There's nothing else you can say about it. Yeah. You know what i can say, though? ah We can't spend that kind of money. Nope. Not like we're the Yankees or anything. oh my Definitely can't do something like that.
00:56:45
Speaker
This new evil empire. It's on the West Coast.
00:56:51
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All right, so we can basically spend as much time on this as you guys want, but the Hall of Fame announcement came out.
Hall of Fame Voting Trends and Predictions
00:56:56
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um Three guys got in this year. Congratulations to Ichiro Suzuki with 99.7% of the vote.
00:57:04
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ah So I guess my intro was true from the last episode. He was not unanimous. But he did get more votes than did in the Japanese Hall Fame, so good for him. i hope I really legitimately hope that they find that one writer.
00:57:15
Speaker
and They never will push him off a cliff. That was actually the first thing I was going say. Ichiro wants to have a drink with him and have a nice long talk. yeah Yeah, I'm sure I thought it was going to be him just smacking around. It sounds so threatening. he's going to break his kneecaps or something. I love that.
00:57:30
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He should have his kneecaps broken. He should. i mean what I mean, it's just... You know, honestly, i would i would bet a lot of money on it that it was the same guy that didn't vote for Jeter. Jeter? Probably.
00:57:42
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Well, there's actually a public unanimous club since the tracker's been started where there's four guys, Mariano included, that never got a public no vote. Obviously, Mariano got every vote, but Griffey, Jeter, and Ichiro all never had a public writer say no.
00:58:01
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Jeter fell one vote short, Ichiro fell one vote short, Griffey fell three votes short. Never came out. Griffey's ballot was more crowded than those other guys were, but I consider them my unanimous club. I'm sorry. In this era, if none of the 50% that come out before the ballot and 25% that come out after the ballot have the guts to say they didn't do it, I'm calling you unanimous. I'm not even giving these anonymous writers a type of attack. Yeah, because one gutless nerd sitting behind his computer pushing up his glasses and sucking on his Wendy's Frosty is sitting there going, I'm not going to vote for each row because he said that one thing to me that one time through an interpreter I didn't like.
00:58:36
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Right. ye That's why I'm not even regarding it as anything important. So I just don't think it's even worth giving him the time of day. But I'm very happy about CeCe Sabathia.
00:58:47
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Yeah, I love him. I thought he'd be a second ballot guy before the tracker started up. um i I had him as he'll get like 70% year one and get in with 86% in year two.
00:58:58
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He got 86% in year one. It reminds me a lot of Roy Halladay where I didn't think he'd be first ballot either. But I think this group of writers is starting to be a little um more amped to get guys in earlier. There's no need to delay the inevitable, and I think they see that.
00:59:14
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i think that's one of the positives of the tracker is that there's more writer accountability where people aren't voting for CeCe. They're like, why? And I think that that helped kind of expedite his process a little bit more.
00:59:26
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So, interesting see who that might impact later on. I think this now kind of cements Zach Greinke as a first Ballot Hall of Famer as opposed to maybe a third Ballot Hall of Famer. So, just kind of a thought there. I think if CeCe and Roy Halladay are showing this, I think these are these new pitchers going be a little less Mike Mussina and a little more like this.
00:59:47
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I just love seeing, Sabathia, uh, he's all over Twitter i last few days or basically since they announced it. And he like, he dude, he's just so happy. And like, he gotta be like, this is what it's about.
00:59:59
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Yup. I'm so happy for CC, man. I'm also glad that he's going in as a Yankee. Yes. But I'm happy about that too. Yeah. Yeah. And Billy Wagner, the opposite, 10th year on the ballot, 82.5%. Yeah, look at Zach.
01:00:17
Speaker
He's now the first Hall of Famer in our two years of formally voting and having our own ballots that um didn't get a unanimous approval from us. I'm sorry. Which turns me around, Zach, i I was wondering this actually, and I wanted to wait until the pod to ask you. So, like, since you're the first public dissenter of a Hall of Famer in our two years, um were you – like happy when you heard the news they got in, were you indifferent? Like did the human element kick in that like this guy was his last year and he got in, or was it more just like indifference or was it more, ah, he didn't deserve it. I was, it was more indifference. And then the realization that someday I actually have to vote for Craig Kimbrell, which is disgusting.
01:00:55
Speaker
Fair. Would you, would you change your vote now that you see that he got in? and No, I wouldn't still. I can't get myself to it yet. I respect that. Can I ask you this Mac?
01:01:06
Speaker
Sure. I was trying to think of a comparison. Like, how does it work with kickers or punters in in football? all of favor um There's two formal kickers that have been inducted, Morton Anderson and um What's his name? Sorry. I'm playing it. John Stennerud, who was the first ballot Hall of Famer.
01:01:24
Speaker
Adam Vinatieri is actually a finalist this year. And um Ray Guy is the only punter who's ever been inducted. Shane Leckler probably will follow in his footsteps. um Aside from that, I think Justin Tucker is the only one with half a chance.
01:01:38
Speaker
Not anymore. Yeah. I wasn't going to bring that up. Sorry. Football votes strictly on field, though, for what it's worth. So he will still get in.
01:01:49
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they They will actually kick guys off the committee for bringing that up in the room. Jim Tyra had that happen where um he – for anyone who doesn't know, Jim Tyra is a senior nominee this year for pro football.
01:02:00
Speaker
And um in 1980, he shot his wife and then turned the gun on himself. And it's the first time he's been nominated for the Hall of Fame since that happened. So it's the second ever ballot, but it's first time being nominated after all of that that tragedy occurred.
01:02:16
Speaker
um And a couple people on the committee tried to campaign against him before the vote and the meeting took place. And there's calls for them to be removed from the committee over it. Because the bylaws specifically say on field is the only thing to be considered.
01:02:31
Speaker
i I feel like ah MLB needs that. So you'd vote Bonds then? Oh, we've had that convo, but. I get what you say. We're not going to do this right now. I walked into that. I apologize.
01:02:43
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but um But but that yeah but i my my point of that was a guy like Andrew Jones. Yes. So I'm actually going to that in a second too. um Beltran and Jones both are close. They're the only two that are really anywhere close um out of the rest of the field.
01:03:03
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Beltran in his ballot had 70.3%. Andre Jones in his eighth year had 66.2%. They're both kind of trending in different directions. Beltran grew, pull it up, 13.2%.
01:03:18
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Andrew Jones only grew 4.6%. And the year before that, Jones only grew 3.5%. So he went from like double digit bumps in two years in a row to only getting these little small blips.
01:03:31
Speaker
And I'm starting to wonder if Andrew Jones has kind of hit his wall with the voters. Like the 66% that are voting for him, is there room to change the other 33.8% thirty three point eight percent you know, their mind on this. i hope so.
01:03:47
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I, I hope so too, just based on the on field stuff. and I know Josh, I've talked about that at length, but I think there's three things that are going in the wrong direction for him. It's the hit total falling off a cliff at 30 years old and the off the field stuff.
01:04:02
Speaker
I don't know how much room there's going to be to turn these guys in mind. And if he keeps up the pace of the last two years rather than the years prior, he's going to finish with like 73% in year 10. that's So I don't think he's getting in next year.
01:04:15
Speaker
I think he's going to need that year 10 bump. that It's going to come down to how many guys who normally give that feel good, like, all right, fine. You're 10, like Billy Wagner got this year, you know, all the dissenters kind of changed. He went from 73 82.
01:04:27
Speaker
seventy three to eighty two How many people are going to feel good about doing that for Andrew Jones? I don't know. It's tough.
01:04:39
Speaker
Between the hits, the fall off, and off the field, i'm I'm rooting for him. I want to see it happen. It's going to be year 10. It's not going to be next year. We're looking at just Beltran next year.
01:04:50
Speaker
And whoever gets in on the Veterans Committee, if anybody i can't believe there's going be any feel-gooding about Beltran, though. Yeah, I'm not saying there is feel good, but he's inevitable. He's your he's in year three, and he only needs 4.7%. He's getting in next year. There's nobody else that, like no one's news coming on the ballot where it's like, oh, Cole Hamels, I can vote for just him and not Beltran.
01:05:11
Speaker
That's not happening. So he's more of a lucky recipient of timing more than anything else. But I'm wondering if Andrew Jones has kind of hit his wall.
01:05:22
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He might have modest gains, but is he going to get enough to get over that 75%? I don't know. Normally, I would feel really good about 66.2% at year eight. I don't feel good about this.
01:05:33
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I thought this was going a big growth year for him, and it just wasn't.
01:05:39
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He had the fifth highest growth on the ballot, which isn't saying a lot about the growth on the ballot at all. um We really had Andy Pettit, who grew 14.4%.
01:05:48
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Beltran, who grew 13.2. Utley, who grew 11. And all of the other guys that didn't get in, grew less than 5% on a weak ballot.
01:05:58
Speaker
It ain't looking good. It's only going to get weaker. Yeah, which will help. It's only going get weaker. The thing with Pettit, though, I was very optimistic about Pettit, even though I didn't vote for him and none of us did, um just seeing the numbers, because i'd I'd like to see him get in.
01:06:14
Speaker
yeah We don't have real votes, but you know seeing Yankee gets in, cool. But Anthony Calamus on the tracker – um reported his first 21 gained votes, Pettit, 20 of those 21 guys voted for Bonds and Clemens also.
01:06:28
Speaker
So he's changing the minds of guys like me and Zach. He's not changing the mind of someone like Josh. And in order to get in the Hall of Fame, you got to change the Joshes, not us when you're Andy Pettit.
01:06:40
Speaker
So it's not really looking as good as it might have seemed for him. Yeah, that's a rip. So he's – it's not happening. He's got three years to grow about 50%, and that means turning guys like Josh around. And Josh, I'm assuming you're a hard no on Pettit.
01:06:59
Speaker
wouldn't say a hard no, but I'm a pretty firm no. Got it. So, yeah, and I think most of the guys that were not for Bonds and Clemens agree with you. So I don't think there's anything really optimistic there for Pettit. I'm a much harder no on a Bonds and Clemens than I am with Pettit.
01:07:13
Speaker
Fair enough. story i don't I don't think it particularly adds up per se. Right. But I think there is some wiggle room there. Maybe.
01:07:26
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But yeah, going through growth, I mean, ah your boy Chase Utley, 28.8% went to 39.8% in year two. He's pretty promising. My only worry with him is the Jones stagnation because, like I said, there's three possible reasons that could be keeping him from growing.
01:07:43
Speaker
The falloff and the hit total also applies to Utley. Yeah, but Utley didn't hit other things, so. Right. oh And I agree. So it comes down to what those other 33% that didn't vote for Jones – What is their reason?
01:07:58
Speaker
If their reason is the first two, right it's going to affect Utley as well. if If it's the third one that you so eloquently just stated, um that's not going to affect Utley. My eloquence. If you can't tell.
01:08:12
Speaker
So you got to hope that that's the reason. I mean, I've been doing a lot of hoping every time. Oh, And I... haven't quite gotten to praying, but we might get there.
01:08:24
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Wow. I'm...
01:08:27
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I am interested see who that first guy under 2000 gets in through the vets. And it's got to, it feels gotta be one of these two.
01:08:38
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But like I guess in theory, if you can get every single Jones order to agree and just 9% of the remaining guys to vote for Utley, I'm because they didn't vote for Jones of the off-field stuff. I guess that that's promising for him.
01:08:49
Speaker
Overall, I think this was a good result for Otley. The question is just going to be down-ballot. How much is he going to grow between when he eventually gets like 55% to that final 75?
01:09:01
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But I think it was a good year for him. i think it was also a good year for Felix Hernandez, who other than A-Rod and Manny and Pettit, the steroid three, Felix was the next best showing at 20.6% in year one, and we were all very borderline on him.
01:09:15
Speaker
None of us did it. We all thought about it. yeah I don't think I would be upset at all Fernandez got the Hall of Fame.
01:09:25
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I don't know. To me, I don't know what that means. Because then you've got to retroactively go go and look at some of these guys who didn't get in with these like small peaks. you know really Is that a bad thing? Because then the question is just how big is the Hall of Fame then? But I mean, I don't know.
01:09:39
Speaker
But I think the the Hall of Fame committee is kind of making a shift too. Like the days of getting of guys like Pettit getting votes, like getting enough to get in are kind of over. They're catering more toward these peak guys because David Wright hung on the ballot with 8%.
01:09:55
Speaker
Dustin Bedroia got on the ballot with 11.9%. ah Chase Utley is doing very well. Andrew Jones got 66.2%. I think 10 years ago or maybe 15 years ago, Andrew Jones probably doesn't make it a second ballot.
01:10:09
Speaker
But a guy like Torrey Hunter, whose stats are pretty close, I'm going to 5.1. Thanks, my blood boil. i know. But we're seeing kind of a shift in the committee where the peak guys are kind of getting rewarded, which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing. you know These guys are starting a lot later due to service time manipulation.
01:10:26
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um The current guys have the COVID year that affected them. Pitchers are getting shut down for two years at a clip. you You're not going to have long-term numbers anymore, and the Hall of Fame is going to have to figure out what is the new age Hall of Famer going to look like.
01:10:41
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At the end of the day, would I rather have a guy like David Wright in the building or a guy like um Johnny Damon in the building? I'd rather have David Wright in the building. like yeah I guess so.
01:10:54
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I don't know if I'd vote for David Wright, but I think I'd rather have a guy like him who had an elite three to five years and not much else versus a guy who was a good to very good player at best for 20 years.
01:11:07
Speaker
See, me being me, like what if we just don't vote for both of them? I'm okay. I'm not against that either. But Felix, when I looked at the resume, and I started doing that when I was off for a couple weeks, I started look i've started writing out a bunch resumes guys who I don't have in the Hall of Fame right now to compare.
01:11:22
Speaker
It does hold up solidly with some of the guys I have in. He's a guy I'm going to be rethinking. i don't know if going to get there, but I'm going to take a hard look at him, and I'm glad to see that he stayed on the ballot. I don't think I expected 20.6% at all.
01:11:36
Speaker
yeah Yeah. But, I mean, happy for him. The only other guy that did any damage was Pedroia with 11.9. And on this ballot, I don't think 11.9 means too much.
01:11:47
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True. What about my boy Jimmy Rollins? Is he already off the ballot? No, he's still on there. this is Actually, you're killing the segues today. that This is awesome. He's actually really good. But as I said, anyone below Felix, I'm not feeling great about.
01:12:02
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like We're looking at all these returners. Bobby Abreu was the next guy after Hernandez. He was the 11th best finisher. So it was Ichiro, CeCe, Wagner, Beltran, Jones, Utley, the Steroid 3, A-Rod, Manny, Pettit, Felix, Bobby Abreu.
01:12:16
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um So he finished with 19.5%. He only grew about 4.7% and this was his sixth year. It's not happening. Good. ni and Yeah. I agree.
01:12:27
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Yeah. Jimmy Rollins in his fourth year went from 18 – I'm sorry. i went from 14.8% to 18. So not much either on a weak ballot.
01:12:39
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None of these are looking good. Everybody grew who remained on the ballot except for Torrey Hunter. He dropped. He got one vote enough to stay on the ballot. He finished with 5.1%.
01:12:51
Speaker
If he got one less vote, he would not have stayed on. Who's that guy even voted for? I'm sorry. i know. Mark Burley grew 3% in his fifth year. who He's at 11.4%.
01:13:03
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um Francisco Rodriguez is my real guy that I'm wondering because he's actually slightly below where he was in year one.
01:13:14
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but he went from 7.8 to 10.2. Does Wagner help him out? And Josh and I talked about that when we voted. Um, Wagner was right around 11% after year three. So he's kind of right behind where Wagner was.
01:13:26
Speaker
Can K-Rod have that growth? And the other problem with K-Rod is he's not the feel good story that Billy Wagner was because he has a domestic violence case against them. And he has that issue with um his girlfriend's father as well um that ended his season.
01:13:41
Speaker
see See, the thing I don't understand about K-Rod is that, dude, I mean, like Wagner has a bunch of interesting underlying numbers.
01:13:52
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that put him up really, really high, especially being a left-hander. But, I mean, K-Rod's numbers are really not that far off. They're not. There's not getting any votes compared to Wagner. We're in the playoffs.
01:14:03
Speaker
More saves. I don't get it either. I think we're going to find out next year because maybe these guys were like, hey I only want to put one reliever on the ballot. It might have been something as dumb as that. Or maybe now that Wagner's in, maybe it'll open some eyes and and see what you and I have seen for the last two years.
01:14:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he's never getting it to our Hall of Fame because we have Zach. Right. But, you know. But i I do see what you mean, and I think maybe now that Wagner's in, i think there's enough writers that will look at it and say, okay, now that Wagner's in, I can give K-Rod a look comparing him to Wagner rather than comparing him to Rivera and Hoffman.
01:14:42
Speaker
Yeah. That's actually not a bad take, yeah. So out of these down ballot guys, like everybody below Felix, you know you're a great user Rollins. Is he thinking? Well, I just hate, like, I'm going to have to vote for Kimberlin Jansen one day.
01:14:58
Speaker
And I just can't see myself saying that they're good enough, but like, I don't know if they're going to be like top Can you enlighten me of why you keep saying I'm going to have to vote for them? Because you don't have to. Their numbers are good enough. Right. If their numbers are going to be good enough. I mean, that would just be like why. so it's So I'm sorry, but you're going to have to vote for Kimbrell, but you didn't have to vote for Billy Wagner.
01:15:22
Speaker
Oh, good point. Right. And I don't understand why a lot of people who write about the stuff these days lump Kimbrell and Jansen together. To me, they are different levels. Much different levels.
01:15:34
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But that's just me. and But going back to K-Rod and them, um other than that, it was very modest growth. Like Alex Rodriguez, 2.3% growth. He's never getting into the writers.
01:15:46
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David Wright grew 1.9%. I don't see him getting that much more growth. Manny Ramirez, 1.8%. He's going into his final year. um Right now he's got 34.3%. He's not getting in. He'll fall off. It'll be less steroid stuff to talk about.
01:16:01
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Omar Vizquel had a whole PR campaign going on with writers. He got one extra vote. yeah It's not happening. Went from 52% to 17.7. It's the biggest drop in BBWA history.
01:16:14
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um But he hasn't made any ground since that drop a couple years ago. And then Torrey Hunter was the only guy who dropped. He went down 2%. And he's probably getting knocked off next year, I would assume.
01:16:25
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But it's not looking really great for anybody beyond Beltran... And Udly. And maybe Felix. I mean, Andre Jones will probably end up getting in year 10 with the bump.
01:16:37
Speaker
But I can see... I'm i'm worried as a Jones Hall of Fame guy that's not going to happen.
01:16:45
Speaker
I'd like to go back to David Wright for a second. Not with the actual Hall Fame because he shouldn't be in it. But, hey, good for him, man. The Mets are going to retire his number and put him in the Hall of Fame. I like David Wright, man. I'm so happy for him with that. He deserves it. I mean, the Mets were an absolute abomination of of a franchise when he played.
01:17:03
Speaker
And the Wilpons, the owners of the team at the time, kept telling him, you know, we're going to build a team around you. Just, you know, stay here, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah And then, the back injuries and the Ponzi scheme where they lost all their money and yeah all that fun stuff, and the guy deserved better.
01:17:17
Speaker
And to see him, you know, fully, truly recognized by the franchise, it's good. It's good for him. It's good for his family. Yeah. i would He's got today's game committee elected, David Wright for the Hall of Fame written all over him.
01:17:31
Speaker
But it's not to happen to BBWA. But i I wouldn't mind seeing him. by just He was good for baseball. He was.
01:17:41
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He was definitely the kind of guy that you would want as the face of a team and the face of the league altogether.
01:17:49
Speaker
But yeah, beyond that, the guys who didn't make the ballot, Ian Kinsler got 2.5%. he needed He got about half the votes he would have needed to stay on. no Russell Martin, who apparently people think belong in, got 2.3% of the vote, including Jay Jaffe himself voted for him. i i'm I don't get it at all. I don't understand. I don't get that at all.
01:18:10
Speaker
like What don't understand is like framing runs being part of a sabermetric now, you're literally covering up a pitcher's mistakes. ah If a pitcher doesn't make a mistake, you don't have a frame. Then Yadier Merlin is the first ballot all-fammer.
01:18:24
Speaker
Well, that's the thing. You're saying he's not.
01:18:29
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But the other thing was Salvador Perez has like negative 114 framing runs. What does
Catcher Stats and Hall of Fame Considerations
01:18:36
Speaker
that mean to me? It's not his fault that the pitcher couldn't throw a strike. I mean how is that his fault? that's nothing What are we doing?
01:18:42
Speaker
i get saying Salvador Perez is not a Hall of Famer. I don't get that being the reason why. Yeah. But Brian McCann, seven votes. Troy Tulewiski, four votes. Adam Jones and Curtis Granderson got three votes.
01:18:55
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Cargo got two votes. And then Zobris, Rodney, and Handler Amiris got zeros. ah I have no problem with any of these guys falling off. Yeah. yeahs Yeah, yeah. I guess the best way to kind of end the Hall of Fame talk is to go through the guys next year who are coming on and to give me your immediate thoughts.
01:19:13
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All right, so we have about 18 guys. We're just going to go through very quickly. give me your immediate thoughts. I have 18. That's a Cole Hamels. They're going to take a long story. I promise. I'd have to look at it, but I'm going to say probably not.
01:19:27
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Ryan Braun. Steroids, no. I'm a no on him even if he had 500 home runs. He was another level of – cheat. I don't feel right. when Alex Gordon.
01:19:38
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No. What, he won the World Series with Kansas City? casey Casey Legend, absolutely beloved there, but no. There's going be enough people trying to make a case for him with gold gloves. Shin Su Chu.
01:19:49
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Ah, love that man, but no. Edwin Encarnacion. Absolutely not. Howie Kendrick. Absolutely not. Nick Marcakis.
01:20:00
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Also, yeah hung around for a while there. There was actual talks that if he got 3,000 hits, what were they going to do? I remember that. Mr. Compiler. Hunter Pence.
01:20:10
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This is the ballot. Giants legend? but No. yeah yeah Oh, it gets worse. Gio Gonzalez. hey Really? Matt Kemp. Wow. Matt, dude. Matt Kemp. That guy was supposed to be one of the best players the world has ever seen, and he just never panned out. Never panned out. Had one good season.
01:20:26
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Jason Kipnis. Hey. The dirt bag. Yeah. Ah. Daniel Murphy. Oh, God. um Mets legend, but no. Actually, I'm sorry, Long Island Ducks legend. well Low-key, maybe a top five player out of this group, but is down here for some reason.
01:20:44
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Rick Porcello. What? He won a Cy Young. retired five years ago? He's immediately more worthy than like half of these guys. He retired five years ago. Wow. the fact that i he might be the first i I thought he was still pitching. yeah He might be the first Cy Young winner to not make the ballot. I was going to say, the fact that he won one and I forgot is a bad sign.
01:21:04
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Who am I confusing him with? I don't even know. There's got to be somebody else. Anibal Sanchez? Maybe somebody else. Who was on that Boston staff back then? with Yeah, as somebody somebody that was on Boston.
01:21:15
Speaker
Yeah, let me look at that staff. I know what you're thinking. Josh's favorite, Matt Wieters. Matt Wieters. Jeff Samarja.
01:21:26
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That guy should just make it just because of his name. Chris Davis. Ah, the worst contract. Chris Davis with a C or with a K? With a C. Should clarify. The Oriole Chris Davis. I think Chris Davis would be in it just because he went like 0 for 50 at one point.
01:21:41
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yeah Kelvin Herrera. where There was like bars and in Baltimore that were – I forgot what it was, but it like went viral. It was like if Chris Davis gets a hit, you get like a free drink or something ridiculous.
01:21:53
Speaker
This is probably going to open me up for some roasting, but Kelvin Herrera, I genuinely do not remember this guy at all. I remember the name, but I couldn't tell you what is the name he played what was for. And last but not least, Edinson Volquez.
01:22:05
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Oh. yeah I don't even know that is. So that is your ballot coming on next year. Well, Beltran, it's just to you, buddy. We have a really fun group coming up. ah It's not even worth like running through the names when we actually do the ballot.
01:22:19
Speaker
bu butdy it's I don't know if you can justify... I mean, you might... If you really sit down and think about it, you might be able to justify Cole Hamels, but that that's really it. But, like, the the screening committee has to go through those names that I just said. There's six of them, and two of them have to say they even belong on the ballot.
01:22:35
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I think there might be five that actually belong on the ballot. Hamels belongs on the ballot. Hamels belongs on the ballot. Hamels, Braun, Gordon, Encarnacion... And that might be it.
01:22:47
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Yeah, pretty much. Those guys belong on. Maybe, i guess maybe Shin Tzu Chu if you want to talk international. Maybe Marcakis. Yeah. And Temp, seven. Wow.
01:22:59
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It's rough, man.
01:23:03
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And that wraps up our 1932 called shot episode of Championship War Bust. Thank you for listening, and we will see you for 1933. Peace. peace