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I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris head back to Southport and discuss the 1997 slasher movie I Know What You Did Last Summer as the legacy sequel hits theaters.
When four friends (Jennifer Love Hewitt, Freddie Prinze Jr., Sarah Michelle Gellar, and Ryan Phillippe) hit someone with their car after a night of partying on July 4th, they decide to dump the body in the ocean and never discuss it again. One year later, the quartet starts getting threatening letters, and bodies start piling up as someone is aware of their actions and looking for revenge. Zach and Chris discuss how Ryan Phillippe is a psychopath from the start, how the killer is more interested in pranks than killing for a large portion of the movie, the bizarre topography of Southport, how the iconic "What are you waiting for?!?!" scene was directed by a kid who won a contest, and more.
You can watch I Know What You Did Last Summer on MGM+, Philo, and Fubo. Next week, we jump back 20 years to talk about 2005's version of Fantastic Four, as Marvel's First Family makes their debut in the MCU proper with Fantastic Four: First Steps.
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast week of July 14th, 2025. I'm your host Zach. I'm co-host Chris.
Discussion on 'I Know What You Did Last Summer'
00:00:27
Speaker
And this week we are heading back to South Park, ah South Port, South Carolina, and talking about i Know What You Did Last Summer, the 1997 slasher movie, because the LEGO sequel is in theaters right now.
00:00:40
Speaker
picking up I think it's picking up from the ah first two and continuing think I think ignoring... I'll always know. her movie Yeah. and then like i'll like Wasn't that was like ah like a I'll forever know? is it Oh yeah, oh I'll always know.
00:00:57
Speaker
Which did that i don't think had any characters from any of the movies, the previous two movies. And then there was also like the reboot show and Amazon that people I think forget even happened.
Comparisons with 'Scream'
00:01:10
Speaker
I think it's a reimagining because none of the characters are named the same. Yeah. And I think there's all my wacky things. i thought I took a look at it once because it was just like they carried over the same concept of like a stalker and then their guilt and then the people having their guilt and paranoia take over.
00:01:28
Speaker
But then they throw in some, like, wacky things with, like, twins and then, like, supernatural things that, like, are quite not sure. I don't know. Like, you if you see, like, trailers, it's, like, you could see what they're going for. But, like, it apparently, like, ah review like it just makes a hard turn somewhere somewhere along the way.
00:01:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's funny also because, like, I What You last Summer and Scream are always kind of like just like tied to each other because remember Scream? but I had like the MTV show I think around the same time as like the Know What You Did That Summer Amazon show.
Cast Career Breakthroughs
00:02:04
Speaker
and And now we got like we got two kind of legacy sequel Scream movies and we're now we got i know You Did That Summer coming back. Because I think at the time of the original, Scream 2 came out that year, which also, funnily enough, had Sarah Michelle Gellar in... She was in both of those movies.
00:02:22
Speaker
Wasn't she, like, in Scream 2, like a joke or something like that? i think shes I think she's, like, one scene and got killed. So she was definitely more of a main character in I Know You did That Summer. Right. I kind of forget she was in Scream 2.
00:02:39
Speaker
And
Slasher Boom of the 90s
00:02:40
Speaker
I think also this year, like, Buffy debuted. So, like, this was, like, the breakout year for Cerebrook Geller.
00:02:49
Speaker
i feel like i feel like this is and this movie was, like, everyone in this movie kind of had, this was, like, their, like, first big movie. um but think I think Ryan Phillippe was in Crimson Tide before this.
00:03:00
Speaker
um Frey Prince Jr. was, like, in pretty much nothing. This was, like, his first big movie, probably. And then... Jennifer Love Hewitt was in Party of Five, which they had like two more seasons after this movie came out.
00:03:11
Speaker
But then this kicked off like her movie career.
00:03:16
Speaker
But that that's that's like a power like 90s teen cast.
00:03:23
Speaker
Those four. Right. And, you know, yeah and also along with the Scream movies, this kind of like kicked out that the whole late 90s, early 2000s, like slasher boom again. Like that we were back in like the 80s again with like just tons of slasher movies and remakes the slasher movies. And we had like Urban Legend and ah Wrong Turn and
Movie's Setting and Elements
00:03:47
Speaker
Jeepers Creepers. Like all these like teen horror movies again.
00:03:51
Speaker
Trying to capitalize on these two.
00:03:56
Speaker
Yeah, it was the time of like, okay, this was a hot genre. Let's dive into um any kind of like horror element that follows the same beat, but not quite the whole... like
00:04:12
Speaker
they They still want to keep a horror slasher teen romp, but then like there's certain... like I guess, like, standards they have to keep because you can't... You can imagine, like, I Know What You Did Last Summer had, like, a supernatural element to it.
00:04:30
Speaker
Like, halfway through, it's just like, oh it's like, no, you did kill him, but he came back as, like, an undead fool. Yeah, just like, oh, okay. I think because they follow the format of, like, hey, let's just have it set in some quaint town that you can do a lot of crime, real like, real quick, and it won't be, like, scandalous.
00:04:51
Speaker
Mm-hmm. That's sort of like the formula. And then you need pretty teens that can kind of get away with what they do for like a little bit. You know, if this was not like the prettiest group of people in this town ever produced, like like imagine this movie starred Max, like the the not part Johnny Galecki.
Character Dynamics and Socio-Economic Commentary
00:05:13
Speaker
Yeah. Johnny Galecki's character, which I forgot he's in this movie. Yep. And he honestly, i mean, he comes off as kind of, like, pushy in the beginning. But then that's it. Like, there's no, like, bigger thing where he's the red herring.
00:05:28
Speaker
Right? He just looks like a regular guy. Like, a regular fisherman townie guy who... um It's weird that he's part... Like, in the beginning, like, it's the rich people party that, like, is going on for the graduation.
00:05:42
Speaker
Yeah. And then it's like, he's already establishing that's like, oh, like, we're never gonna, like... know these people again. We're totally like not going to be like part of this world. like It's so bluntly honest. so like He's working as like a waiter at that party.
00:06:01
Speaker
is he? I think so. I think he's working at Country Club or wherever that is taking place before they leave on their you know fateful beach trip. but yeah cause like He's like carrying drinks and Ryan Phillippe bumps into him. or like um Or is it... Because he's like trying to... like It's clear he has a crush on Jeff Lowe Hewitt. Oh he's like, hey, like we should hang out. We should do this.
00:06:23
Speaker
And she's like, I'm not really into this. And he's like, what? We were like best friends since growing up. And it's like, okay, I don't mind Jonathan Galicki.
00:06:35
Speaker
I just don't think he had a shot. Like, he just... It is the classic nerd-looking guy. Like, it it pretty much, I think Chuck Lorre saw this and was like, what if we made a movie, a show about, like, this?
00:06:48
Speaker
If this nerd guy actually got the girl. But, like, Jareff and Love Hewitt's character, Julie, is, like, just naive. Like, she's not, she's not totally, like, like, oh, I love my town. Or, like, I love my friends. She's like,
00:07:04
Speaker
I'm getting out here. like I'm getting out here. I'm going to be a lawyer. yeah Yeah, yeah. So it's like different ideas already. Not saying that, you know, kind of working your way up, getting doing these like other jobs in this rich town is anything bad.
00:07:20
Speaker
But it's also, this town dynamic is just like strange. It's like... Is the town's tourism... like You know, like this feels like three different towns from other movies.
00:07:31
Speaker
like It seems like the town from Jaws. Yes. It seems like the cliffside murder cult... move holt area in the mountains that you would have?
00:07:42
Speaker
Like, just the winding road in North Carolina? yeah there's a very, like, winding, mountainous road that seems extremely dangerous. And then... guess that road is the same that's also been was featured in The Birds.
00:07:57
Speaker
Oh. The Alfred Chilet Classic. That's cool. I mean, but that it's actually like the dangers of the cliff as you as the movie unfolds. You learn more about how dangerous this road is. and it Yeah, there's already been like one date deadly accident on that road, at least the past.
00:08:14
Speaker
And then the other area that is just like another setting is like the weird like... It's like bayou. Yeah, the Texas Chainsaw House that just is shoehorned in and then shoehorned out.
00:08:31
Speaker
Yeah, it's like a weird swamp where Anne Heche lives, where it's just like, I'm the... Welcome to Keejee country!
00:08:44
Speaker
Because like cause it's weird. You wouldn't think from the beginning that it's like South Carolina. You'd think this is like you know New England. It looks like New England. Like a New England beach town, but it's like South Carolina.
00:09:02
Speaker
where they, i guess, is it, is it crab fishing is like the big industry? don't know. I thought crabbers were like kind of just Boston and and like all the Northeast. I didn't think like North South had like a big industry, but like North Carolina isn't quite there yet. Cause I think, I think like below that is like Louisiana.
00:09:26
Speaker
That's like, crawfish, crab, and so I guess the Carolina only can get crab because there's muddy waters.
00:09:36
Speaker
Some sort of fishing is like the main industry is town. and
00:09:43
Speaker
And then like Ryan Phillippe's character, like his family is like seems like the richest people in the town. and andt we don't know what they do, but he's like ah like a rich yuppie. Who's also...
00:09:55
Speaker
just and like from the from the get-go just an absolute psychopath like for yeah if they if they revealed like oh yeah he's the killer like he's the one killing everyone like you'd be like yep that makes sense based on what we've seen
00:10:08
Speaker
like just like instantly ready to like just beat the shit out people or like like threaten people's lives to keep the keep secrets
00:10:19
Speaker
Yeah, it seems like... they're saying like for There's a point where the Ryan Phillippe character would be like, my parents will handle this. And then you find out it's a dark society of fishermen cult or something. Just some deep, dark organization.
00:10:33
Speaker
they cut yeah they they owned They own everyone in town. They just like covered it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, this was planned in order to kind of trap like the other three into guilt of like staying on the island and... like
00:10:47
Speaker
keeping the tradition of, like, keeping the rich people rich and then the poor people poor. Because, okay, this, this, this, like, I didn't realize this, how much of, like, a class, a commentary on class happens, because Sarah, like, Ray is, like, local boy.
00:11:02
Speaker
Like, he, he, yeah he hangs out with the rich kid, which is Ryan Phillippe, because Ryan Phillippe's friend's of Michelle McGellar, who only is bringing her friend, Jeffer Love Hewitt, like, Jules, to hang out with Ryan Phillippe's money.
00:11:15
Speaker
Like, they ride his coattails. so like you you kind of also think uh like helen but sarah michelle's character is like well to do off too like she's like living the high life and you know she comes from wealth and you find out she doesn't you know like she can't she she like actually is like just like a regular person yeah they're like her family owns like a department store in town or something or like a so some sort of like a clothing store.
00:11:47
Speaker
Right. But like, you know mean? Like she, she thought she was too good for the town or like she had bigger dreams, but we don't really know. They really like bottleneck Like as soon as she gets more complex, they like kind of, they, they like knit that.
00:12:01
Speaker
But the, the fact that like, it seemed like Jennifer Love Hewitt's character comes from like a well-off group, like not, not too well-off, but well-off enough.
00:12:13
Speaker
she's going to She's going to school in Boston. ye And then Ray just went straight into crabbing. After high school, he went into the crab business. So, like you could see why like right after the school structure is away, this high school, like they're not actually friends.
Ryan Phillippe's Character Analysis
00:12:31
Speaker
like They only were friends because of like the association of school. At the beginning of the movie, like this is like kind of their last like hurrah for the summer.
00:12:39
Speaker
And then they're all going to just go into... go off and their own things. Right. But, I mean, that's the the, like, okay, well, then you kind of find out who these people really are, because I guess for that whole year, they didn't talk.
00:12:52
Speaker
Nope, yeah. So, that's where I'm like, okay, and you could tell, like, Ryan Phillippe just went back to hanging out his rich place. I think he's a college football player. Yeah, like like, he's, like, some sort of, like, yeah, like, college football prodigy or something, or, like, he got, like, a scholarship, or, like, like that's his main thing, is, like, he plays football.
00:13:10
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Even though he does not use any football skills. No. I thought there would be a scene where throws a football or something. You do not get that. Mm-hmm.
00:13:21
Speaker
Or even, like, kind of, like, doing the, like, thing where in in some typical horror movies, the college guy, the ah high school guy is, like, bragging about how well he was in high school.
00:13:34
Speaker
But he doesn't bring that up. Nor does he bring it up, like, about, like, college. you know He's like, oh, you know i got train i got you know I've got just the off-season a little bit. but it's like Technically, I think in summer, like especially yeah January, like you would be like, or like July, you you would be getting ready for training.
00:13:53
Speaker
You wouldn't be in this town.
Central Plot Incident
00:13:57
Speaker
Yeah, i don't we'd ever see him on a football field but or throwing a football or doing anything football-related, even though he's like this supposed to be like this big like football star. Yeah.
00:14:08
Speaker
and yeah Sarah Michelle Gellar wants to go to New York and become an actress, but then that felt that collapses because of, like I guess, the guilt. ever it's Everyone's plans... Ryan Phillippe seems fine. like He's not wracked by the guilt. like Nothing he happens to him because of the guilt of like you know running a a guy over and thinking they murdered him.
00:14:30
Speaker
um But everyone else is like, their like lives are destroyed. and they should be. Yeah.
00:14:37
Speaker
Okay, so I like on the beginning movie, there's this whole big thing about the cliff. And it it does, like, sweeping shots. You see how long this cliff is. And then the crazy, like, um, like, vast winding road of it.
00:14:53
Speaker
And then you see, like, a guy who is going through things. And... I kind of, like, forget that. Like, the movie does a good job of saying this shot up, and then when you think the, like, horrible incident is sort of, like, the closure to it, I do appreciate that, like, you to back and remember the, like... You know what the...
00:15:19
Speaker
The this the like villain of the movie is like really that like that but area. yes like No lights, like terrible roadside maintenance of it. like those just like the ter you know i mean like it just It's not like the the the like villain was wearing like the right clothes.
00:15:40
Speaker
For whatever reason, this was just like a completely different... incident and i actually wrote like what happens if you if you think about the movie from the villain's eyes it's crazy but we'll get to that in the end because it kind of makes sense where like we're thinking about these high school kids who are just having a party also they went to two parties one night and there was no urgency like it didn't make sense for them to be like well a wild night whoo all right murder oh no like
00:16:12
Speaker
I can't go back to jail, like what? this This is gonna destroy all our lives.
00:16:19
Speaker
But I mean, honestly, it's like, yeah, you hit this guy who... like Okay, but then, ah they do a point to say, like, we all smell like booze, even though I'm not drunk. Because i go Ryan Phillippe spills an entire bottle of like Jack Dale or something like in the middle all over everybody.
00:16:40
Speaker
But that doesn't get in your blood. It's not like you absorb alcohol through your skin like that. Yeah, i think yeah they told they forgot about, like, breathalyzer tests. They're taking tests.
Fashion and Music in the Movie
00:16:49
Speaker
Like, Ray could just be like, hey, i yeah, i would i um so I didn't drink anything. Like, i like just give me a breathalyzer test.
00:16:58
Speaker
I'm driving because Phillippe is too drunk to drive. Yeah.
00:17:06
Speaker
But then they're like, oh, well, then get you'll get manslaughter. You'll get like two or three years in jail.
00:17:16
Speaker
And then and then yeah right Ryan Phillippe is like, yeah, threatening everyone. Like, don't don't be the wordless. Never talk about this again. I'll kill all of you if you say anything.
00:17:29
Speaker
Like, apparently it's like strangling J.F.L. of Hewitt, basically. to like like Say it. Say it, Jules. Say yeah a Right now I'll commit another murder and then just be in more of a problem. I'll kill crazy.
00:17:43
Speaker
I've indirectly killed one person today. i will directly kill someone right now. I got the bloodlust.
00:17:54
Speaker
And, yeah, so yeah they cu yeah goes through you later like yeah everyone is like is this like a they a they a a
00:18:25
Speaker
But I don't know. Everyone wears the same outfit for the whole movie. Pretty much, yeah. she She actually has costume changes, but I think like the Jamie character, she wears the same like black shirt, blue shirt, like black pants, blue shirt, white top.
00:18:42
Speaker
Oh, like Jennifer LaFleur, like Julie? yeah Yeah. It's like she doesn't change that outfit at all. As soon as she gets home, she changes that outfit. and Yeah, that's her outfit for the whole movie. yeah Yeah.
00:18:55
Speaker
And then, yeah, Ray just wears, like, a t-shirt and jeans, and then Ryan Flippi wears, like, it kind kind of like a yuppie, like, yuppie shirts and, sweat like, a sweater. Like, taped up.
00:19:08
Speaker
Yeah, he looks like a boy band. Yes.
00:19:12
Speaker
But this movie also makes it seem like they all are still wearing, like, 1995. wore grunge clothes, but like it's 1997 at this point.
00:19:24
Speaker
So, the movie has like almost, I feel like, if you called certain parts of this like a Seattle vibe, sort of like the rainy weather, the cloudiness, and it's like... If the soundtrack was not as like aggressive, if it was way more like... and don't know, like...
00:19:42
Speaker
now, that's what I call music playlist. It'd be a different vibe. I mean, one thing is I just don't remember the music for this movie. I forgot i forgot like the music it's just like, it's all over the place.
00:19:54
Speaker
There's like a cover of Summer Breeze at the end.
00:20:00
Speaker
yeah Yeah, that was weird. It was like the the like soft rock version of it. was it like but They played the original and then I think they were just like, yeah, it's like typo negative.
00:20:11
Speaker
the The band plays like a cover version of it.
00:20:16
Speaker
But like the 90s rock version of it. Was that the song that was playing as they were driving down the cliff? I think so. I can't remember if it was that that then or it was ever that was like the credit like the edd credit song
00:20:33
Speaker
But yeah, it's it's a very 90s mix of like rock and... Although, I'm surprised... Not only any of songs that a single or like had like a music video tied into like the movie, you know have the cast in it or something.
00:20:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:53
Speaker
I think the sequel had ah like a Jerry Fulff Hewitt song that got but was like the single and it had a music video that's tied into the movie.
00:21:07
Speaker
you was like She was trying to get... like doing like She had like her like music career there for like a couple of years. I don't remember her singing.
00:21:17
Speaker
I think it was like i think it was like one album the late early still think it was the year after. think
00:21:25
Speaker
it was probably 99 or 2000. She was like, I'm also going to sing. like throw it was year after then think that was like probably ninety nine thousand and she was like i'm also gonna i'm also gonna sing
00:21:42
Speaker
but Yeah, I mean, it was like the triple threat of like, I can act, I can sing. a lot ah say a lot of like A lot of people were like, Robert Downey Jr. did that, like, Scott Johansson, like, a lot of people were like, I can also sing.
00:21:56
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, I know I sing like one song. It's like, okay, I'm going ride that as long as possible. I'll put out an album, or possibly two.
Killer's Motive and Pranks
00:22:08
Speaker
But yeah, but then everyone everyone everyone everyone starts, so the year after they ran over the guy, they start getting ah letters that say, i know what you did last summer, and then random, like, the killer takes a long time to, like, really get into, like, killing. Like, he's, like, really just, like, pranking them.
00:22:29
Speaker
Yeah, so so many weird pranks that the killer pulls off that, like, would require a team um of like, of like, other kind of like, I don't know, like, logistics.
00:22:45
Speaker
Yes, so just as some of them are just like, how did he even achieve this?
00:22:51
Speaker
Um, but, like, so like, he like like someone gets into Flippi's car, like, i think he's, was it, was that he was like, working out late or something?
00:23:02
Speaker
And then, uh, yeah, someone's in his car and almost runs him over, and, um, And then the most horrific thing is that Sarah Michelle Gellar gets her hair cut off.
00:23:12
Speaker
like I know, I know. Her hair short cutlet cut short. And she's a hideous monster after that. It's like, oh, you see that blonde with like the slightly shorter blonde hair? Oh, no.
00:23:28
Speaker
ah yeah which I love it like she puts on a giant hat to cover it up and then like people are commenting on it like she looks like like like like she has a horrible scar or something. like There's a cop later who's like, man, what'd you do your hair?
00:23:46
Speaker
And then the one yeah the one that i I think we still don't know understand how it happened is that Julie's driving around one point um She hears something in in her her car's trunk, opens it.
00:23:59
Speaker
There's a ton of crabs. And then Johnny Galecki's body is there because the killer it also along with like playing pranks. He's also was like killing a random people that like are like tangentially tied to like the main quartet.
00:24:12
Speaker
Like he's not killing them. He's killing like random people that sort of like either like they talk to or know or maybe you're like related to.
00:24:22
Speaker
Yeah, it it seems really, like, crazy to think that the killer sort of was, like, keeping track of all these people that, like, attend... Like you said, like, just sort of offhand associate with ah the main, like, group.
00:24:40
Speaker
Like, Max wasn't, like, a good friend. Like, yeah, he might have been to, like, Julie, but, like, it wasn't vital to everybody, but... I don't know if the killer knew that or he was just like, oh, he talked to them. They're dead.
00:24:54
Speaker
Or do you think like like killing Max would like affect Julie is like, oh, he was your like, he was your friend. Like you were like, he was like, was into you. Like, does that make you sad? he She'd be like, ah guess. I don't know.
00:25:09
Speaker
So like, i sort of knew him.
00:25:15
Speaker
but but But yeah, like he ends up in the trunk, and then maybe five minutes later, because Julie runs it and gets Ryan Phillippe and Sarah Michelle, and they come back, and then the trunk is empty, so she looks say a crazy person.
00:25:28
Speaker
But i yeah, I don't know. i don't like He must have just waiting on the of the road, knew was going to stop at that point, and then ran in with a bucket to get all the crabs and get the body out of there within like five minutes.
00:25:43
Speaker
because it Because it's not like it's not a hallucination or anything. It's like it was definitely in their trunk. Yeah, but also that trunk looked like it's got like spotless. It like, yes, think must been filled with so much like wet, damp crab.
00:25:56
Speaker
it was Sand would have been in there. like All kinds of crap would have been there. It's like, but when they pull the trunk, it's like dry and just looks like a detailed. Yeah, it's detailed. And I'm like, what?
00:26:10
Speaker
But that but's that's that's when we get the, like, one of the most iconic scenes of the movie where, like, Jared Fulphine is just, like, yelling about, like, what are you waiting for? Come on! I remember it being way more dramatic.
00:26:24
Speaker
You know, I thought that scene was, like, going to be in public and it's going to be more of, like, a camera spin. Like a Michael Bay spin? Yeah. Yeah, it's just, like, on the side of the common road, like, some neighbor who's just, like, in that house is like, what is going on?
00:26:41
Speaker
Like, first, that person had to see someone drag out crabs and a dead body, and then they were like, not my business. then, like, five minutes later, look out the window again, then see three teens, or at this point, college-age people, yell at each other, and then one of them has, like, a freakout.
00:27:01
Speaker
But I like how they don't report the cops on that. Like, they're like, hey, we just, we put, like, a mystery report for Max, just in case, and, like, they don't even do that. Yeah, they don't report anything because I think they're you know they're afraid that what happened last year is someone will find out about it. So it's like, they yeah, they don't report a single thing that happens to them.
00:27:25
Speaker
Oh, and what want to about that, ah like, the What Are You Waiting For so ah scene is that apparently um that was directed by a kid who won a contest. What? Like, apparently, yeah, so, like, Jeremy Levy, like, 2018, like, was, like, talking about it, like,
00:27:39
Speaker
they had there's some sort of contest where, like, a kid won it and got to direct a scene from the movie, and then it was this this kid's idea to, like, have her, like, spin in the middle of the street and, like, yell, like, what are you waiting for? And then that's where that scene came from.
00:27:51
Speaker
Is that kid, like, famous now? Like, that that's a good scene. and Yeah, it's, like, the best scene for the movie. That was, like, an accident. That was, like, on a prize winner? Mm-hmm.
00:28:04
Speaker
That, to me, just tells me, like, First off, how did this kid like win this contest back in 1987? Was this like you had to read a magazine? she said Yeah, magazine, Entertainment Weekly or something? You're like, yeah.
00:28:17
Speaker
And then, can you imagine, like, you just, you kind of get, like, it's um it's sort of uncredited, right? Like, it doesn't look like it, uh...
00:28:27
Speaker
I don't know if it's like a known fact. it's like That's like a good resume builder. like, I directed that scene. And then what'd you do? Eh, that became a fisherman. Yeah. Oh
00:28:39
Speaker
yeah, I'm a director. Like, what are you directing? The one scene and and know it was last summer where Jeff Lepia yells like, what are you waiting for? And spins around.
Suspicion and Red Herrings
00:28:47
Speaker
It's iconic. it's hard i mean It's one of those things where like I feel like that only works for certain amount of years.
00:28:54
Speaker
And it's like a very aged thing. It's like a time capsule. So I think me and you can both use that line for the next three years because it's back in relevancy. And then after that, to be like, I don't know if that's true or not. you know Unless that guy who did direct this talks about it a lot on social media.
00:29:13
Speaker
We'll have record this before the the new one comes out. but maybe in the new Maybe in the new one, they'll like do it like reprise that scene again. and
00:29:23
Speaker
but carefully if you spin around again, you'll yell, what are you waiting for? I mean, they gotta reference it. They gotta at least reference it, right? In the new one. Because that's like one like one of most iconic scenes from like the entire franchise.
00:29:37
Speaker
Yeah. Or have like one of the new girls do that or something.
00:29:45
Speaker
I mean, it'd be funny if the killer did it instead. Well, okay, no, no. That happens. I forgot. Like, in the the follow-up movie, they do that, I think, to the killer. He does the, like, what are you waiting for scene.
00:29:59
Speaker
if you remember that it's been a while i have not seen the second one in like for yeah i don't remember anything was second one but i remember i think the killer does like a spin around freak out he's like oh no what are you waiting for like eat because they trick him i think so it can backfire like it doesn't always work
00:30:24
Speaker
Yeah, so after the crab trunk scene, everyone's been kind of been suspicious of Frappin's Jr. since our time. like They think he's the kid like one sending all the notes and doing everything. Because he like he's a fisherman now.
00:30:36
Speaker
He's got, like, there's there's a guy, the but the person I'm seeing has like a fisherman's jet slicker and a hook. Which is what Frappin's Jr. wears now because he's going out on the crab boats.
00:30:52
Speaker
But then it's hilarious there's like every every like older guy in town, it's like a fisherman has the outfit. Yeah, it's like that's the worst thing to use ah is a unique identifier. It's like, oh, what was it?
00:31:06
Speaker
It seemed like a fisherman. I think even Sarah Michelle Gellar's father might be a fisherman. We don't know. i think I think he owns the he's like he owns the department but but store, the clothing store.
00:31:19
Speaker
He'd be also a fisherman too. Maybe. yeah Maybe side hustle. i do I love that scene where Summer Shigeru, because she won like the beauty pageant the year before, she has to attend, ride the float in the 4th July parade and attend like the new pit pageant.
00:31:39
Speaker
But love when she's on the float and she just sees like dozens of guys in like slickers like just standing around menacingly around the parade. And it's the middle of July. In, like, South Carolina. I'm sure it's, like, insanely humid and hot down there.
00:31:53
Speaker
Oh, like, ah at least one of them has heat stroke and doesn't know. Probably, yeah. like why would you Like, why would you decide to, like, wear your, like, heavy, you know, plastic or rubber, like, slicker the Fourth of July parade?
00:32:08
Speaker
Okay, actually, before we get more into, like, the plot of that, ah can we get into the fact that, like, Like, Helen's dad, Sarah Michelle Gellar's, like, father character.
00:32:19
Speaker
We see him from one scene where he's just, like, ignoring his daughters and just drinking, watching Spine. Yep. I looked at that and which was just like, that is the most, like, 90s, like, how do you describe, like, not abusive parents, but, like, sort of, like, ah emotionally, like, distant, like...
00:32:37
Speaker
The guy's i'm wearing headphones. He obviously sees Sarah Michelle Gellar there, but he's just like, it's just him and his whiskey just watching sports. And I'm like, that that's gotta be a crazy archetype in the future now. Like, to have that where, like, you can't... I get back then, you can't pause sports, so it's like, it's either you watched it or you didn't.
00:32:57
Speaker
So I get, like, the fascination of, like, making these characters who, like, care more about, like, sports than their family. But ah yeah it also seems like the mom is definitely dead in that family. Oh yeah, like I guess like that's why the older sister sort of becomes the mom character.
00:33:14
Speaker
If you've never seen this movie before, you kind of could be like, is that her sister? Or her younger step-mom or something? Yeah, it is weird. Like Bridget Wilson. like Yeah, Bridget Wilson. Not Bridget Wilson, is it?
00:33:30
Speaker
Bridget Wilson, yeah. From like, Happy Hill, Play Madison and Mortal Kombat. Sonya Blade.
00:33:40
Speaker
i was saying it's her and then Brigitte Nielsen. Brigitte Nielsen? Yeah.
00:33:46
Speaker
No, it's Brigitte Wilson. Yeah, but you're you're saying you're saying like but there's also Brigitte Nielsen. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, Brigitte Wilson. um She gets such a minor role for like a bigger actress than she really is. you know like she she should be She should have been in more movies, but it's like she did Moral Combat and then she did Billy Madison and then like nothing until I Know What You Did Last Summer.
00:34:13
Speaker
I mean, there's also a movie called like The Real Blonde, but I've never seen that one.
00:34:19
Speaker
However, she's a good actress. It's just like, her character is so minor. Yeah. Like, when she's killed, like you just don't feel anything. like like, alright. Yeah, that's it's the whole weird thing about this, like, killer's and MO is, like, he is just killing, he's killing, brain like, he's killing everyone, not, except for, like, the people, like, directly tied to, like, what happened to him
00:34:43
Speaker
him. And for, like, for, like, no discernible reason, like, why why he's killing, like, these, like, other people.
00:34:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's not like the sister did anything. It just sort of, like, she got in his way, I guess, and then that was enough for her, ah for the killer to be, like, I just need to murder whoever's in front of me. Or I guess right yeah or guess he thinks maybe that like that like they'll like fuck up Sarah Michelle Gellar.
00:35:05
Speaker
Which I'm sure would, but but um it's like, ha, I killed your sister! are you gonna do about that now? Yeah, it's to mess with her. But, honestly, when you get to, like... because Okay, there's all almost like a red herring with some of the characters, where you think maybe the sister could be the killer for some weird reason.
00:35:26
Speaker
Because, like, The sister sort of acts suspicious. There's a little bit of like tension. There's also the hair thing where the killer cut her hair and it's like... you know She was commenting about her hair.
00:35:41
Speaker
Six hours prior. Yep.
00:35:44
Speaker
six hours prior yep
00:35:48
Speaker
And they kind of, there's a little bit like, oh, could it be Johnny Galecki? Because he's like, seems like he's adept with like the hooks. Because he's like hooking the giant ice blocks with the hook that the killer uses. He's killed way too early in the movie.
00:36:00
Speaker
Yeah. He's the first kill. So then you're just like, well, that writes him off real quick.
00:36:08
Speaker
Yeah, definitely should have left him around a little because he seemed like a really good like red herring of, like, you know he's got a grudge against Ryan Phillippe, and like he's obsessed with like Julie.
00:36:19
Speaker
So like he has like ties to everyone.
00:36:24
Speaker
but yeah, they're just like, oh, no, be no he's dead. Yeah, he's dead. And he's like, oh, unequivocally dead. It'd be funny if, like, He faked his death on screen for us just so we throw off the scent.
00:36:36
Speaker
So that way when, you know, it turns out he's dead, it's more of a surprise. But like, it's just more of like, a oh, like he had to go through the process to fake his death. You know I mean Like, it makes sense where like we don't view it, but like no one else saw him die in the ice house.
00:36:54
Speaker
So they could have kept chasing it could have been Max for a while. But like, yeah you know that it's not Max, but then they find out, you know, but the movie does move so quick where like as soon as they establish Max is dead, like two scenes later, Max is like body shows a truck.
00:37:11
Speaker
I think only one time is where like Ryan Phillippe gets hit by his own car. And then they're like, oh, I think Max did it. But then Ryan Phillippe's like, no, it wasn't Max. You know what I mean? he just like it was a It was the evil fisherman guy who we don't know could be Danny.
00:37:27
Speaker
Which, they they go through like a whole side plot that I don't think is really needed. it But it's it's definitely not in the novel. Where they kind of investigate the like the siblings. Like Danny and his sister.
00:37:43
Speaker
who Anne Heche, I forgot like Anne Heche is in this movie too. There's a lot of like in the cover of the poster of the movie, they don't mention like you don't see Jonathan Glicki, you don't see Anne Heche, but I feel like if you include them in the cover of the poster of the movie, you have more of a like, oh, they could be like vital characters and like misdirections early.
00:38:04
Speaker
Like i don't I don't know how would you, this is not like an easy horror movie to get into if this is your first horror movie. Because I feel like you need to know like certain star powers to kind of understand where they're going to be.
00:38:18
Speaker
Because Anne Heige has an extended cameo. Jonathan Glicky has like almost the same amount of screen time. And then they both have like the suspicion that they might be involved in something.
00:38:32
Speaker
And you can't weigh it the same. but I love i the fact that they have like, they have like, and hey, she's like, kind of like, her house is like, has like a slaughter, like, like i think we mentioned like, she's usually like Texas Chainsaw stuff, kind of, it's like, it's very like Sawyer-esque, where she's just like, like chopping things with like, giant knives.
00:38:54
Speaker
but like Well, it's also weird, because I'm like, where did she get fresh fish from? She lives in the stick, so like, you're inland. From the swamp. did you Is this swamp fish?
00:39:07
Speaker
It's like a bottom feeder. Yeah, is this is she eating this or is she selling this? We don't know. But they also do the thing where, like, they try to hint that, like, the, like, Egon family might be, like, troublemakers or, like, they're not all there mentally.
00:39:27
Speaker
Was that weird? Like, they kind of make her character seem crazy because they're like, oh, no like, this woman. Well, especially, there's, like, that scene where, like, um, Like, Julie and Helen, when they first go to her house, and they're like, well, we have to go wait in our car for AAA now, bye! And then Aunt Haitian runs out and just slams in her window, just like, hey! Hey!
00:39:45
Speaker
like But then it's like, oh, hey, you you forgot this. like You forgot your cigarettes. Yep. But they make it seem like she's an insane person.
Helen's Chase and Murder
00:39:55
Speaker
Yep.
00:39:56
Speaker
So that's why I'm like, alright, you're just like misleading people. movie Which is fine, because... it it's sort of like shakes it up because they're trying to follow that slasher formula.
00:40:07
Speaker
But it just, for me, it just kind of takes you out of the ah movie because it doesn't like, it doesn't mesh well with the overall theme. Because if they're really trying to imply that she might be the killer, there could have been like the hook in her house or something.
00:40:23
Speaker
But then it's like, oh, like that's just a common tool in this state. Apparently everyone has a nice hook or something or some sort of like hook. Or she's got, or she has a slicker. Yeah.
00:40:35
Speaker
And then you can kind of imply that. But the movie plays it safe. um It also, like, I guess we'll get into, like, back to the parade.
00:40:46
Speaker
This, like, the, like, parade queen. Mm-hmm. ah Because this point, like, the the killer is, like, attending that parade and assuming he's taking photos.
00:40:59
Speaker
Like, he is, like... Oh my god, yeah. yeah We find out later, like, he's the like he's developed photos. Like, he he took but pictures at the parade and developed them within... look Along with, like, killing multiple people and doing all this other stuff he's been doing.
00:41:15
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm like, where have you been developing these photos? Because, like... they're This is like 12 hours. like He's doing this really goddamn quick.
00:41:26
Speaker
I mean, dropping one hour photo, but then the photo developers are probably like, wow, what these these are really creepy photos that you're dropping off. They're like civilians photos, like a CIA would be taking them to figure out communications.
00:41:43
Speaker
ah He's using them for like the but the most popular girl in town, that she's the float queen. And like her friends. Yep. So you're taking it take a lot of pictures of ah young girls.
00:41:59
Speaker
Like, should we ah should we report this to someone? Oh, it's 1997. They didn't know what to do. and then And the cops also seem like completely useless to this town. Oh my god, yeah.
00:42:11
Speaker
Like, hilariously useless. Um... Right, okay, so I'm gonna say that because it seems like this town is also weird because when Helen is screaming for everyone to, like, look up and look at, like, her boyfriend being slashed and she's, like, describing it and they're just like, we don't believe you.
00:42:29
Speaker
Like, they hold her back, like, you know, and they don't even bother to look up until, like, they they release her and then they finally look up and it's like, oh he's gone, like, It is crazy because that crowd is just full of the most mouth-breathing kind of people. Like, huh?
00:42:47
Speaker
What? Calm down. like eighteen And she's like, hey, someone's over there. Help him. Help him. And she's not saying gibberish. She's not like, there's a ghost. there There's like an alien. you know It's not like, oh, we think this is a mental crisis.
00:43:01
Speaker
She's legit pleading with them just to like look up. And they refuse.
00:43:08
Speaker
And then they the keep her backstage for a while, which I guess gives the killer enough time to like clean up upstairs. Yeah. Because they they finally at the top is like, alright, let's go up we'll up there out and I'll show you there's nothing going on up there.
00:43:23
Speaker
And yeah there's no there's like no blood, nothing is like found up there. Like spotless. Yeah, it is weird because like The cop has no crimes ever been committed in this town, besides like besides undocumented hit and runs.
00:43:39
Speaker
Yep.
00:43:45
Speaker
And then, yeah, then he's like, well, all right, let me drive, you're you're hysterical, let me drive you home.
00:43:50
Speaker
And then Michelle, and then Helen has that talk down where she's like, oh, screw you, cop, like you're just like a nobody. Town sucks. Mm-hmm.
00:44:03
Speaker
I mean, you can see her true feelings because she's like, I hate this town. Like, I was going to be a star in New York. I had a five-year plan.
00:44:14
Speaker
I'm going to be Buffy! You peasant! But
00:44:23
Speaker
but yeah, that cop gets killed and then... um A pretty great chase for Helen trying to get away from the killer, but then she gets she also gets killed. Yeah, it's like she runs all around town, like the main street, running to her family's store, where her sister's sort of like... You know, that kind of solves the MacGuffin of it could it could be the sister. and it's And then the sister's instantly killed.
00:44:50
Speaker
I actually thought maybe she would be like another character chased around or something, but... Nah. The... since it's like not a main focus she's removed real quick um but like yeah like i said like for for like an actress that has has does a little bit of brand recognition they they like killed her so small like she was just like whoop you're out and i don't think uh don't think this is just coming back in the sequel no probably not
00:45:24
Speaker
And then, it's crazy because, like, because Helen is killed, like, within, like, a couple feet of, like, people watching it's but the fireworks. Yeah, like, parade and fireworks.
00:45:36
Speaker
And the killer just, like, kind of shoves her behind, like, these, like, convenient tires, the giant stack of tires. but Which, I guess, defends the sound. Yeah, I get, like, the tires being there, so you block, but I don't get, like, that, like, it's soundproof.
00:45:57
Speaker
yeah i guess I guess the fireworks, I guess, like, people were distracted by that, and then the sound.
Plot Unraveling and Climax
00:46:03
Speaker
but they don't But they don't really do anything of like, the killer using, like, the bangs to hide his movements or anything. It's just like, it's like, it's like constantly coming and it kills her, and then no one notices.
00:46:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:23
Speaker
Which, then that leaves Julie and Ray, then i love, like, like ah julie Julie's like suspicious of Ray, and then ah random guy's like, hey, get in my boat!
00:46:38
Speaker
And she's like, alright.
00:46:41
Speaker
And then runs on his boat. It's the, like, I'm the friendly, like, fisherman who's here to help you, and she's just like, I trust you, stranger. Yeah. i'll get on your I'll get on your weird boat.
00:46:54
Speaker
I mean, she panicked, because she thought, like, Rey was the killer, so she's like, oh no this this makes total sense that Rey would want to kill us for some reason. Oh, because she notices that that the name of Rey's boat is called Billy Blue, and that's like kind of like the alias he gave, because he he went and like visited Anne Heche's family and kind of like apologized, or like said he was like a ah friend of the family.
00:47:16
Speaker
Right, right, and that was only like a year. or So, like, Rey must have visited, like, Right after the summer ended. And then he did this. And he just never brought it up to anyone.
00:47:28
Speaker
Because he was like, oh, yeah. It would be weird if I mentioned I visit Danny's family.
00:47:36
Speaker
But again, it just shows you how like shitty this communication is in this group. And they're not really like a good group. Yeah.
00:47:44
Speaker
Because if he's like, what was his name? Billy Blue? And he's like, huh, that's the name of my boat. I also did not kill anyone. Yeah, sure he shouldn't need his boat like, accidentally ran over a guy. ah What's your boat? I know what you did last summer.
00:48:00
Speaker
Yep.
00:48:05
Speaker
Accidental murderer. Yeah.
00:48:09
Speaker
What is like? Um... like high school pack or something. Taking it to my grave.
00:48:22
Speaker
So, yeah, so the fisherman who we find out is like, there's a guy obsessed with like the teens, because Julie like stumbles right into like the captain's quarters and sees the crazy board.
00:48:37
Speaker
ki A classic conspiracy board of just like photos and news clippings and all kinds stuff. All the evidence. So much evidence. but like Did he mean for her to see it?
00:48:50
Speaker
Or was that just like, a oh, okay, well now saw it, and I really have to execute this plan right here and then. Because It's not like he planned for Ray to like chase Julie.
00:49:02
Speaker
And it's not like he planned for Julie to like find out about Ray. like Or or like sort of connect strange dots together. Like coincidence dots. And then say, oh my god, you're the killer.
00:49:14
Speaker
And then run into the same pier as the fisherman's boat. Yeah, yeah i think i think I think he just lucked out. It was like, oh, my my my my two last victims are just right here.
00:49:26
Speaker
My two last victims are fighting, and they're, like, across from, like, where I parked my boat, from Ray's boat. And then, um... It's also the same night as, the like, the parade, right?
00:49:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's, like, 4th of July. it's 4th of July, so everyone's busy with 4th July. Also, the town sheriff is dead, or, like, one of the deputies is dead. So, like, no cops.
00:49:53
Speaker
And then, yeah, he's just sort of had his slow revenge, even though he just wants he wants to kill Julie, even though Julie had like the least amount of part in the whole... Yes! like yeah like He treats her like the one who was driving the car or like that like ran him over. but like yeah, she was like the one i was like always against it.
00:50:12
Speaker
And like basically, the only reason she went along with it was because Ryan Phillippe was strangling her.
00:50:19
Speaker
But he's like, oh, I finally got you. I finally got you, Julie. Time to die. You're the one I'm after. Ray? Not the guy who actually drove the car?
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah. And I like that technically, if he didn't want to kill these teens, this would have been fine. It would have just been like, oh, like, the town would have been, like, he could have gotten away with this without, like, he could gotten away the murder, he could have gotten away with, like,
00:50:49
Speaker
the, like, faking a murder thing, then don't even think, like, um...
00:50:58
Speaker
Yeah, because he also got away with the murder. Like, he killed... He could have just drove off, because no one else stopped him. Like, if you got Helen and Barry, know, he wanted complete the set, because I guess he was so obsessed.
00:51:12
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:51:16
Speaker
I mean yeah understand, like, you see, it makes sense when a killer goes after more victims because it's like, oh, crap, like, I have to like i to, like, close the tie so it's, like, no loose ends.
00:51:28
Speaker
Mm-hmm. But, like, you are going after people who are trying to keep quiet about a murder. So, like... Yeah, it's like you're doing the opposite what you should be doing. yeah If anything, they if they confess, then that's it, right? Like, if they said, oh, like, we... I mean, okay, this is where it deviates dramatically from the book, is that, like, the book, they confess that they did this, so they don't feel guilty, and then that way the killer doesn't have leverage anymore.
00:51:58
Speaker
But in the movie, it's just like, no, we will always hide this. Like, we will... Yes. Don't tell the truth, ever. It doesn't matter what happens, or, like... what craziness happened like yeah we're never going to the cops but yeah I mean yeah Ben Willis could have just been like well I'm gonna just I'm gonna leave town and i killed the guy wanted to kill and I've everything's I'm dead so I'm just gonna like I'm gonna go to another town and start life
00:52:31
Speaker
but that man but instead he's like I gotta kill I gotta kill these teens and prank prank them and i kill them yeah i One year. ah Exactly one year later. ive I've been planning this for exactly one year.
00:52:53
Speaker
hundred what is it how did he get... Oh, go ahead, Chris. No, no. Go for it. ah I was just going to ask, how did he get um like Helen it and Barry's bodies on his boat?
00:53:06
Speaker
In like the ice pit? Like, that quickly, too? Because, like, I think i mean they just killed Helen, and, like, Julie finds, like, her body in, like, ice the ice, but like, like, below like the deck.
00:53:18
Speaker
And also buried by Zer. From wherever she was killed in that alley, it probably wasn't that far from his... From the dock? And he had all the time in the world to drag Barry to the dock.
00:53:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:33
Speaker
But, yeah, it's still kind of weird, because I get, like... he's a strong person, because he's a fisherman, but, like, it's still a body. You know? It's not like he had tools, it's not like he had, like, a cart.
00:53:47
Speaker
You know, it's just like, alright, I'm gonna drag them by a hook, while he doesn't lead a trail of, like, evidence towards my boat. Yeah, i mean, if you're dragging a body with, like, a hook, I mean, you're leaving, there's a blood trail behind you.
00:54:01
Speaker
It's not like he's dragging, like, a long... drained out corpse. It's like a fresh kill body. Yeah. you know Yeah. It's like the the magic of the movie, though.
00:54:13
Speaker
And that's where I feel like Scream does a better job, where it's like a lot of it, lot of the times, it's like murder, murder, and then they run away, and then like, oh my god, someone's murdered. Here, the killer does a lot of like, I'm gonna bring a lot of clean supplies with me, and then murder who I need to, and then bag it up,
00:54:32
Speaker
and then make the other person seem like they're gaslit by a murder.
00:54:40
Speaker
But then, it's like, the person who says, like oh my god, they're dead, they're like, oh, you should tell somebody, and they're like, nah, I'm just feel bad about it.
00:54:51
Speaker
i can't yeah I can't tell the cops that someone's trying to kill us, because then we have to reveal that we ran over that guy a year ago that no one's found. Yeah.
00:55:04
Speaker
Yeah, that's it's pretty funny when they pretty much can't admit that like they did something wrong. So even though someone's doing something wrong to them, they they can't use the police.
00:55:16
Speaker
But then they don't find other means. In another movie, they would have hired like a private investigator. They would have paid a local gang. One of the characters would have had ties to the underworld to help them.
00:55:30
Speaker
feel like that's another keep the story going moment.
00:55:35
Speaker
I'm sure Ryan Phillippe's family probably has like a fixer or something they can use. They're rich. nice He didn't tell his parents and they're like, oh, we gotta clean this up.
00:55:46
Speaker
We will have to pay or keep murdering this small town. Yeah.
00:55:54
Speaker
i think That would have been the big reels. Barry is the one who like so was so adamant about them like not telling anyone. is told I mean, they told his parents and they like they've been like, they're the ones killing everyone to keep everything quiet.
00:56:08
Speaker
If this guy, if you wanted to make it into a Scream-like movie, that's what would have happened. Like, Barry's murder actually wasn't a murder. It was, like, a planned thing. In order to kind of, like I said, this is where, like,
00:56:20
Speaker
Since he's the other kind of like... He's the official dead person of the group when it comes to the core group. It's like, oh, if he's dead... You know, like, oh, alright.
00:56:32
Speaker
If you go back, it is kind of suspicious because he's left alive the first time. Yes. Which is kind of crazy because it's like, why did the killer leave him alive?
00:56:44
Speaker
Just do some car pranks. Just do some wacky car pranks. Do fancy hit and run car prank. And then it's like, oh, you can't get lucky the second time because then like he gets stabbed.
00:56:58
Speaker
But then it would been a fun twist where he actually did it. It was like a fake out. And then he just faked his murder.
00:57:06
Speaker
See? that's how That's how you do like a clever twist. But I think maybe some people saw that coming. I don't know. what What would you think if it was like Barry was the part of the conspiracy? I mean, I would like i will say, like, it's it's... I think it's too obvious just because of, like, how so like a psychopathic he is from, like, pretty much the beginning of the movie.
00:57:26
Speaker
um It's like, oh, like, him being the killer would have been like, yeah, that makes perfect sense. It's really a twist.
00:57:35
Speaker
Yeah. He's seen him ready to kill, like, off off all three of the others to keep the secret that night.
00:57:46
Speaker
they also like He also like straight up like slashes Johnny Galactic's face with like the hook earlier, too. wait When he thinks he's like the one that sent the note, he's just like... Like, cuts him across the face and is like, don't... Next time I'll kill ya. And then like like immediately after that, Johnny Galactic is killed by the killer.
00:58:12
Speaker
yeah i think it's literally the next scene. know
00:58:17
Speaker
Because he's like stewing about, like, oh, I'll get that guy. And then he's killed.
00:58:27
Speaker
ah I think, like, again, if the this was edited to be more, like, arranged to a traditional murder mystery, think Giant the Collective could be alive up until this point.
00:58:39
Speaker
So then it's like, oh no, like, Ryan Philippine's dead. Oh no, it could be could be Max, and then Max is dead, they're like, oh no, who else could it be?
00:58:51
Speaker
But yeah, like he the the fisherman gets his murder, he gets everything arranged like in one night. Everything he applied it for. That's the crazy thing. He's been playing mind games with them for weeks.
00:59:04
Speaker
yeah He like... he he waits like I mean, how long is it into the movie before, like, one of the main characters is killed? Like, like Ryan Phillips is the first one get killed. It's, like, over an hour... It's, like, the last 20 minutes is when he starts killing many characters.
00:59:20
Speaker
Yeah, the rest of it has just been, like, just Jonathan Glicky and then just, like, mind games. Mm-hmm. But... I mean, it tells you a little more of the backstory of why the guy was doing it, which is that the fisherman actually is the father of this girl that died, and he gets revenge by killing Danny like conveniently on the same night as everything going on, and then he gets hit by a car.
00:59:48
Speaker
Yeah, there's David Egan, who is Anne Heche's brother, was going to kill himself, but then um but then ben Ben Willis, the the killer, kills him.
01:00:05
Speaker
and then But then he gets he's the one that gets in by the car. But, like, the crazy part is that, like, if you think about the movie from his perspective, he kills this one guy and gets hit by a group of teens on the same road that his daughter died on.
01:00:22
Speaker
Yep. And then he waits a year to get revenge because he's like, I gotta figure out who the hell hit me. And then he stalks them and then starts writing them letters are around the time that everyone gets their summer break.
01:00:37
Speaker
I want to see like the lead scenes of him coming out of the water and like getting treatment. like How do explain what happened to him? Because he didn't leave town. like Everyone in town knows him.
01:00:49
Speaker
like How do you explain what the hell happened to him? i don't know. Maybe he just healed him. I fell off a cliff. I fell off that cliff over there. That road.
01:00:59
Speaker
Yeah, they don't mention, like, it seemed like he's from the town, too. Like, everyone is from this town. So, everyone remembers, like, you said David, who I've been calling Daniel this time.
01:01:10
Speaker
But, like, David is the one everyone goes, oh, no, he died.
01:01:17
Speaker
Everyone mourns him and the girl. But then it's like, what about the father? They're like, nah, let's not look into it. He totally got over that. It's like, no, he did not. But i mean yeah, he must have got out of the water and went to the hospital and had to answer bunch questions about what happened.
01:01:36
Speaker
And then has just been plotting and like went back to being like but would back to fishing. does it Does it seem like he has any sort of like you know lingering injuries from being hit by car and then thrown into like a dock?
01:01:48
Speaker
you know off a do
01:01:51
Speaker
No, he doesn't have a limp. He doesn't have any kind of, like... Scarring? Yeah, it's just like... It's just like his face should have the, like, BMW imprint on his forehead from being hit by the car.
01:02:03
Speaker
Or, so yeah, something like a big, like, slash on his face or something. But yeah, he seems he seemed like he recovered 100% from his accident. I don't know in the future of, like... I mean, in in the and the story, like... Uh...
01:02:20
Speaker
like He gets hit, and then he's like, okay, well, i still gotta go crabbing. So like the next day, he's like, clean himself up, go back in the ocean, get his haul.
01:02:30
Speaker
you know like It's just funny to think that he was just still like a regular fisherman. He doesn't have any special army training. He's not a vet or something. you know like We don't know that. He just was like, I miss my daughter, so I'm gonna start killing these teens.
01:02:44
Speaker
And i'm i'm I'm really good with using this hook. Which makes sense, because he's a fisherman. he's He's a big fan of the urban legend that that they tell him to be in the movie, which that's the other, like, that's like the other source of, like, the movie is it's the original novel and then the urban legend about the hookhand killer. Yeah, the one where
Conclusion and Sequel Setup
01:03:04
Speaker
you're supposed to check in the backseat of your car.
01:03:06
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
01:03:09
Speaker
Which I do i do like that they like argue about how it's actually supposed to go in the beginning. Because there's like you know there's multiple but different versions of the story. There's the one where he's hanging from the tree, and it's like or like the boyfriend's hanging from the tree, and that's the like sound. Or like you you drive home, you see you find the hook in your door.
01:03:24
Speaker
You know, I think... Was this a year after Urban Legend, the movie? I think this scream kind of like kicked off, and then Urban Legend was like one of the first ones after those came out.
01:03:36
Speaker
those two came out like Well, now we've got to crank out these like teen movies.
01:03:43
Speaker
Yeah, Urban Legend was 98, so that was the year after. yeah as they they basically ripped off a little bit of this, with the hook hand.
01:03:54
Speaker
but ah You want to talk about how an anticlimactic ending how a slasher killer just solves its problem?
01:04:04
Speaker
Yeah, so, like, they're getting, like, so, like be like, Ben the killer is, like, chasing Julie around boat, and she ends up in, like, yeah, we like, said she ends up in, like, the ice, and she finds the bodies of Barry and Helen, and then, Ray...
01:04:20
Speaker
ray I think Ray was like, he jumped out of the boat was kind hanging off net of the boat and climbed into it. think, right? And then he climbs up to the rigging and sends hook. One of those rigging hooks. hits him in the pad with it.
01:04:37
Speaker
he he climbs up to like the like the rigging and like like like send like a ah hook like ah well it was like like rigging hooks ben like hits when the fad with ah
01:04:54
Speaker
And then Ben's hand gets caught in some of the rigging and then like it rips off and then he falls overboard.
01:05:03
Speaker
Yeah, it's not like the hook is turned against him. It's not like Rey gets his own hook or something kind of like fishy weapon or like he's able to like throw a football better than Barry. Yeah, Rey should know how to use a hook too. like the I think they all know how to use like those hooks. like that She did like a hook battle.
01:05:32
Speaker
But, ah yeah, it's just, yeah, Ben falls overboard, loses his hand, and then the cops are just like, well, he doesn't have a hand anymore, so he's probably dead. Can't swim with one hand.
01:05:45
Speaker
Yeah, this, like, hard-to-kill man is totally dead from, don't know, like, a traumatic hand injury, right? But, like, I don't know. they may it's not like It's also very calm waters for what's going on.
01:05:59
Speaker
Yeah. A giant storm that's going on they're driving into. It's not like, okay, watch out, there's gators here or something. Sharks. yeah Crabs.
Slasher Genre Evolution and Future
01:06:09
Speaker
Killer crabs.
01:06:10
Speaker
If you got eaten by crabs. But, like, the the town sort of just moves on from this. You know, it's just like, the cops are like, it's okay. Yeah, saw that Julie and Ray are just like, they're like, why do you think this guy was after you? he They're like, i don't know.
01:06:27
Speaker
And the cops like, alright. It's good for us. Won't the cops look in the boat and be like, why does he have a whole bunch of photos of you? like Surveillance and like tape that points to the cliff, his dead daughter, David. it like That cabin is full of evidence.
01:06:46
Speaker
But yeah, they just yeah just they just say they don't know, and the cops are like, well, You kids have fun then. Yeah. Hope you enjoy your summer. Bye.
01:07:00
Speaker
And then we get the sequel tease, which jump another year later and Julie's back in college. um She and Ray are are are together again.
01:07:12
Speaker
and then she's about to a shower. And then on the ah mirror it says, i so or she gets a note, yeah, the mirror says, I still know. and then, bursts into the mirror.
01:07:25
Speaker
Which I think at that point, if you didn't know about the sequel, you just thought, this is how it ends. Just like, the dude's still alive. And he followed her to Boston. He followed her to another, like, boating town.
01:07:40
Speaker
it's kind it's it's I mean, it's it's a classic, like, slasher... you know, one last scare kind of thing. but then they had to put But then you have to, like, you always have to figure out, well, we set that up, now we have to figure out how to, like, actually, like, do that in the sequel.
01:07:55
Speaker
Because we set this whole scene, and now we have to, plan it off, like, explain what happened. Which, I think in the s sequel, they just, like, don't mention that, right? They're just like, anyway, that was just, like, a dream? I think they explained it was a dream, yeah.
01:08:09
Speaker
But then, but then people actually get killed again. they killed aga Because they this killer still knows they did. but Now he's double-fist.
01:08:28
Speaker
But yeah, overall, it's still a fun 90s slasher movie. I think this whole series kind of like the lesser compared to Scream. Yeah.
01:08:40
Speaker
lesser compared to screen
01:08:44
Speaker
But ah still still got like a lot of like fun stuff to it. Yeah, it ah definitely do does like ah like a good standard slasher structure.
01:08:55
Speaker
um This revitalized the genre. like Almost every decade, there's always like a new slasher take. the The only thing that holds it back, though, if they're trying to be clever with the misdirection.
01:09:08
Speaker
It didn't quite land for me the whole, like o who could the killer be? And then one once you get to, like okay, it was just like this random coincidence. You're like, alright, it's not connected. You just happen to have like another murder happen on the same crazy cliff that, again, the cliff is more of the villain.
01:09:28
Speaker
Whoever has the right signs or speed limits or lighting. Well, you can definitely that Kevin Williamson wrote this first, and it's more of like it' more of a straightforward slasher movie, and then he wrote Scream and brought in all this like the satire and the commentary, and then Scream is a much more like clever... like that That one like definitely like revolutionized the the genre. ah know what you did this summer is kind of just a solid entry in the genre,
01:09:59
Speaker
but they But they both kicked off the whole ah hole you know slew of 90s horror movies.
01:10:09
Speaker
And yeah, but well we'll we'll see how the the new one ah you know ties everything in and references this one and the second one. and
01:10:20
Speaker
Whoever brings out the killer or brings back a killer what's going on...
01:10:26
Speaker
its It's weird that the kids in the new one like know about all these like horrible murders in their town, I guess, or something. they're like, we have to go to people that survived this before.
01:10:41
Speaker
But it's also like, did they just yeah ask the survivors, or they also did their own little murder, murder and then they need help covering it up? i think i think they I think in the new one, the new group also accidentally kills someone and then try to cover it up, and then... Like, the the new killer is, like, ah copycat the of the original killer, then they have like, go Jefferl F. Hewitt and Fairy Prince and be like, you guys you guys lived through this right? Help us, please.
01:11:18
Speaker
But, uh... Yeah, I... Are you planning seeing the new one, Chris? so that's a point Yeah, eventually. Yeah. I feel like, if anything, I might watch the third movie, because it's probably free on Tubi or something.
01:11:36
Speaker
I'll always know what you did last summer. That's completely different from everything.
01:11:41
Speaker
Yeah, like, yeah, k that one's definitely not getting referenced in the new
01:11:48
Speaker
one. Yeah, there's no one no no legacy characters, nothing in that one. and Was that i think that was also was that one straight to video too, I think? I think so.
01:11:58
Speaker
Like, that was just like the the cheap, like, we gotta crank one more of these out. No one wants to come back. killer.
01:12:10
Speaker
Yeah.
Episode Wrap-up and Next Discussion
01:12:16
Speaker
But yeah, so think that'll do it for Know It Into This Summer. ah Come back next week, we're going to be heading back to 2005 and talking about Fantastic Four because the first Fantastic Four entry in the MCU is happening ah with Fantastic Four First Steps. So we're going jump back to i mean, I guess technically not the first ah movie because the Roger Corman one kind of existed but it never came cow But the first major fantasy four movie to come out, the Fox 2005 one.
01:12:49
Speaker
So we'll, we'll dig into all that next week. All the, the original Chris, Chris Evans, superhero role.
01:12:59
Speaker
That we, that we, we got like the, the crazy reference to and Deadpool and Wolverine last year.
01:13:08
Speaker
so uh yeah come back check we'll have that and however said we got all of our usual stuff over here we got news reviews trailers um we got uh i think probably keep checking site soon like soonish we're gonna have our too many games uh wrap kind of like trip report so you know we did then at that convention last month And we're going to have our ah July commentary up soon as well, which is going to the man man with the iron your fists. We watched the RZA's martial arts epic for this month for the for ah commentary.
01:13:47
Speaker
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01:14:07
Speaker
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