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Horror's Best & Worst Horror Movie Moms | Mother's Day Special (Empty Hell)
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Empty Hell presents a special Mother's Day episode with Amazon #1 bestselling author Jo Szewczyk (Surviving Gen X) and shark enthusiast JM Brannyk ranking horror's most memorable maternal figures. From Silent Hill's sacrificial love to a surprisingly deep analysis of maternal instincts in Jaws 3, this episode covers the good, the bad, and the downright terrifying mothers of horror.
Featured Discussions:
• Silent Hill - The Ultimate Mother's Story
• Aliens - Ripley vs The Queen
• Psycho - Norman's Mom Issues
• Child's Play - Single Mom Survival
• Jaws 3 - Maternal Instincts Under the Sea
• And many more maternal nightmares...
Hosts:
Jo Szewczyk - Amazon #1 bestselling author of "Surviving Gen X"
JM Brannyk - Shark enthusiast and Empty Hell regular
Find Empty Hell on:
Instagram: @emptyhellllc
Blue Sky: @www.hauntedmtl.com
Jo Szewczyk on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/czykmate
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Transcript
Mother's Day Special & Greetings
00:00:01
Jim Phoenix
Hey, everyone. Happy Mother's Day. First of all, first and foremost.
00:00:04
box
Happy Mother's Day!
00:00:05
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:00:06
Jim Phoenix
Brannock is back from somewhere. Brannock saying hi to mom.
00:00:06
box
Mom!
00:00:10
box
Budapest.
00:00:10
Jim Phoenix
I'll say
00:00:12
box
Lovely Budapest.
00:00:13
Jim Phoenix
something to everyone else's moms.
00:00:16
Jim Phoenix
You know, I'm not going to go there as a joke.
00:00:18
box
Happy something.
00:00:20
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:00:20
box
No, you shouldn't. You shouldn't.
00:00:22
Jim Phoenix
No, it's a good day.
00:00:23
box
It's to celebrate, Mom.
00:00:24
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, it's what I usually do. know what I mean?
Debating Good vs Bad Moms
00:00:27
Jim Phoenix
But today for Mother's Day, we're doing the good moms versus the bad moms.
00:00:27
box
Yeah.
00:00:32
box
Mm-hmm.
00:00:32
Jim Phoenix
Bad moms. oo All that and more on this one.
00:00:34
box
Mames.
00:00:45
Jim Phoenix
We've got a dinosaur. Dino, dino.
00:00:50
box
You can't see me, but I'm dancing.
00:00:52
Jim Phoenix
Hmm.
00:01:02
Jim Phoenix
You know, for someone who hates smooth jazz, you actually put that smooth jazz beat in there.
00:01:07
box
It's not a smooth jazz beat.
00:01:09
Jim Phoenix
Sure.
00:01:09
box
It's like
00:01:10
Jim Phoenix
The horn? The horn is fucking smooth jazz, dude.
00:01:16
box
No, the horn is like an expression of torment. I guess it is smooth jazz, you're right.
00:01:21
Jim Phoenix
It's fucking jazz. Yeah, okay. Oh, hey, we're back.
00:01:23
box
ha. Ha
00:01:23
Jim Phoenix
Hey, everyone. Hey, kids. So, welcome back,
Engaging the Audience & Humorous Lists
00:01:26
Jim Phoenix
everyone. If you want to like and subscribe now, I strongly recommend it before you listen to the episode.
00:01:32
box
ha ha.
00:01:32
Jim Phoenix
Today. Oh, well, it's ah ah our Mother's Day one. So
00:01:37
box
It Happy Mother's Day, Mom.
00:01:40
Jim Phoenix
happy, completely made up holiday, y'all. About to buy more shit now.
00:01:44
box
mean, aren't all holidays technically made up?
00:01:49
Jim Phoenix
Don't get me on Verspergens or hell that fucking thing is. I can't even spell it.
00:01:54
box
I don't even know what that is.
00:01:56
Jim Phoenix
I'll watch Joe Bob Briggs from last week, last weekend, I think.
00:02:00
box
thank you.
00:02:01
Jim Phoenix
Well, you should. He's a good dude. So we've got this.
00:02:03
box
I should. I should. He's a nice guy. He is a nice guy.
00:02:06
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I wouldn't promote him otherwise. So we've got this thing where Brian is like, I want to do good moms versus bad moms or all moms and something like that.
00:02:11
box
Yes.
00:02:15
box
I did.
00:02:16
Jim Phoenix
I'm like, sure, why not? And this is the first episode ever that Jim actually has more moms or more movies i guess to talk about because i think the bad side i think the back side yeah i think bad side
00:02:25
box
Bad moms?
00:02:29
box
Yeah, you did. You took the bad- I mean, that's fair. That's fine.
00:02:35
Jim Phoenix
no and my bad ones oh you're gonna absolutely go my god how the hell but to be fair now because i know you're just kind of stretching your legs and trying to get back into things some
Mothers in Horror: Strength & Stereotypes
00:02:48
Jim Phoenix
of that and
00:02:49
box
25?! Oh god.
00:02:50
Jim Phoenix
Maybe it might be slightly unfair if I do all 25 of my bad moms.
00:03:00
Jim Phoenix
I want to make it legal age.
00:03:03
Jim Phoenix
mean, I was doing like, you know, 12. I'm like, no, I need to get legal.
00:03:08
Jim Phoenix
Really? Of the good moms in horror?
00:03:11
box
I mean, to be fair, you texted me this while I was having a 32-ounce margarita that we should do, we
00:03:18
Jim Phoenix
Oh, you're like, hell yeah, motherfucker.
00:03:21
box
like, 10 bad moms. e mean, good mom versus bad moms. And I'm like, I can try.
00:03:27
Jim Phoenix
Oh, well, you know, I'll do as many as bad moms as you you want me to.
00:03:27
box
That's what I can give you.
00:03:31
Jim Phoenix
That phrasing still a thing.
00:03:32
box
Bye, moms?
00:03:33
Jim Phoenix
Whatever.
Defining Goodness: Deeds vs Intentions
00:03:33
box
Bye.
00:03:34
Jim Phoenix
I'll do all the moms you want.
00:03:36
Jim Phoenix
You line them up, I'll do them.
00:03:38
Jim Phoenix
So I know. No problems. Now, I mean, some can be honorable mention for mine. And I think we talked before to show a little bit and I do have one mom that's probably on your good list, but I'm like, you know, I got something to say about her.
00:03:51
box
There might be some crossover. There might be some. Because, you know, good, what is good anyway?
00:03:54
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:03:58
box
You know, is it intent? Is it action? this has been a debate for the philosophers for a very long time.
00:04:05
Jim Phoenix
Good deeds versus good intent. You can't have one
00:04:07
box
Yeah.
00:04:08
Jim Phoenix
Sometimes you have neither. um Once in while, you have both.
00:04:11
box
Right.
Celebrating Milestones: Season 4 & Video Launch
00:04:12
Jim Phoenix
I got my philosophy from WWF Wrestling. So that was from Macho Man, Randy Savage, without the voice.
00:04:18
Jim Phoenix
Because I need to keep this voice for another day.
00:04:18
box
Again, like, completely, completely valid.
00:04:23
Jim Phoenix
Damn right. So if you're new to streaming Demons, we usually kind of go back and forth. Forth and back. This is actually season four, so what the shit.
00:04:31
box
Yeah.
00:04:39
box
You just...
00:04:39
Jim Phoenix
out
00:04:39
box
Jew, you see my thing right there.
00:04:42
Jim Phoenix
You see your thing. Oh, wow. Look at You know, I think you can go to a doctor for that now. If it bends that way and that many loops, it is burning.
00:04:49
box
Well, it is burning right now.
00:04:52
Jim Phoenix
It burns when you think it. It thinks when burns.
00:04:54
box
It does burn.
00:04:55
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
Personal Anecdotes & Misunderstandings
00:04:57
Jim Phoenix
It burns. It burns. Did Roller Gator have a mom in it? No, right?
00:05:01
box
No, it did not have a mom.
00:05:02
Jim Phoenix
Okay. Or a gator.
00:05:04
box
Although, maybe or a gator.
00:05:05
Jim Phoenix
Or rollerblades.
00:05:07
box
No, it did not.
00:05:08
Jim Phoenix
Okay, so I was trying to figure out what's the worst idea I could do for a mom, but I couldn't really pop one up, and I don't know. This was actually pretty difficult for me, honestly, to find any strong women in horror that were moms, either way, without doing the
00:05:27
box
I'm wondering too, because I have a few bad moms in the back of my head, I'm wondering which ones you were going to choose. Because there's a few that I would choose, but I chose yay moms.
00:05:37
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:05:38
box
Let's go.
00:05:39
Jim Phoenix
Oh, okay. There was, I think one's called The Stepmom. I think that's called the movie, Stepmom. Something like that where she's basically a serial killer.
00:05:45
box
that was stepdad.
00:05:47
Jim Phoenix
Well, there's a step down one.
00:05:47
box
thought there was a of there's a
00:05:50
Jim Phoenix
If you look at my browser history, there's a lot of steps things. Just saying.
00:05:57
Jim Phoenix
At least 13 of them were.
00:05:57
box
This is true.
00:05:58
Jim Phoenix
Seven? Twelve? How many steps am supposed to be on now? God damn it. Less count. All right. So, Brannock,
00:06:05
box
Yes.
00:06:06
Jim Phoenix
Give me a good mom. Do you any honor before we go in there? Do we have any honorable mentions? Like, do you have like something that didn't quite make the list?
00:06:12
box
That's a good question. I would say although she's not a mom, she is believing aunt in Megan.
00:06:22
box
who takes care after the child loses her parents. So I feel like that's a mom.
00:06:27
Jim Phoenix
Oh.
00:06:29
box
I feel like that's a mom. You know.
00:06:32
Jim Phoenix
yeah i think think that like the mother figure i think yeah it doesn't have to be like biological mom it could be the
00:06:34
box
Yeah.
Fictional Moms in Movies
00:06:38
Jim Phoenix
the parental mother figure
00:06:39
box
Exactly. And, like, she was trying to make the best situation out of a bad situation. And she was trying to take care of the child, but the child became super obsessed with Megan.
00:06:52
box
And Megan 2.0 is coming out soon,
00:06:54
Jim Phoenix
is it really oh god i'll say why but i remember how much made a box office that's why huh okay
00:06:56
box
Yeah.
00:07:01
Jim Phoenix
We're going to do sequel to this motherfucker.
00:07:02
box
It's... It's a goofy... It's a goofy one.
00:07:15
box
I actually don't have my grant, but I can.
00:07:18
Jim Phoenix
Really?
00:07:19
box
Yeah, I know. We've done a complete switch this go around.
00:07:22
Jim Phoenix
shit, man. Look at you.
00:07:24
box
know. Look at you and look at me.
00:07:25
Jim Phoenix
I'm all kind of bald. Look at your dinosaur.
00:07:28
Jim Phoenix
Your dinosaurs. Well, I'll tell you what. Do you need a second to get yours in order? I'll do my honorable mentions then.
00:07:37
box
um um Go ahead and do your onomitable mentions and I'll chime in if there's something that I'm like, oh, I need to talk about that.
00:07:39
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:07:43
Jim Phoenix
Okay. There's one honorable mention. And when we talked before the show, we mentioned only one. not going to name name that one. And I was like, no, no, no. I don't i to hear no more. La, la, la, la, la. I want this to be
00:07:53
box
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
00:07:54
Jim Phoenix
But I'm going to go with Nightmare on Elm Street. The mom. Like Heather's mom, like Ronnie Blakely, very bad mom.
00:07:59
box
yeah.
00:08:04
Jim Phoenix
it's not like, sure, she keeps a secret and maybe they kill Freddy Krueger and maybe, you know, he's now killing their kids. But, eh.
00:08:14
box
The funny thing is I completely forgot she existed because of John Saxton being the dad.
00:08:22
Jim Phoenix
There you go. There you go. And you can do things like that. Like the mom in Hellraiser. The stepmom in Hellraiser. You know? It's like...
00:08:28
box
She's bad. She was a bad mom.
00:08:30
Jim Phoenix
She's bad, but it's like... Is she even a mother figure, though?
00:08:32
box
She's a bad, but she was a stop mom. She was a stop mom.
00:08:34
Jim Phoenix
She's not like... Yeah. Stepmonster. So, yeah. Stuff like that.
00:08:38
Jim Phoenix
Or something like... Like, I love the movie Stigmata from 1999 about, well, fucking Stigmata.
00:08:38
box
Yeah.
00:08:46
box
A stigmata?
00:08:47
Jim Phoenix
That's what it's about.
00:08:48
Jim Phoenix
The mom doesn't really appear, but the mom starts it all off by mailing, like, the the the daughter this cursed necklace. It's like, thanks, mom.
00:08:58
Jim Phoenix
Thanks for giving me possessed. That's all i always wanted.
00:09:00
box
but
00:09:01
Jim Phoenix
Possession.
00:09:03
Jim Phoenix
Possession, you know.
Moms as Plot Devices
00:09:03
Jim Phoenix
But the mom doesn't really appear anywhere else in the fucking film.
00:09:06
box
Yeah, I feel like there's a few of those where it's like the mom is just kind of like, yeah, she's kind of in the background.
00:09:10
Jim Phoenix
The MacGuffin. Yeah.
00:09:13
box
We can even say that about Freaky because she does have that scene with the mom at one point about losing the dad, but the mom is very background. like The mom is not...
00:09:25
Jim Phoenix
Is ah ah freaky that, that's Vince Vaughn, right?
00:09:29
box
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:29
Jim Phoenix
Okay, good. Making sure I had the right one.
00:09:31
box
Yep, yep, yep. That's the one that you really like, and I like.
00:09:32
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:09:35
Jim Phoenix
I do.
00:09:36
box
I like.
00:09:36
Jim Phoenix
Well, I mean, it came out in a pandemic. It was that or watching the concrete walls dry.
00:09:42
Jim Phoenix
There wasn't much fucking for me to do.
00:09:43
box
You're not into
00:09:45
Jim Phoenix
No, I've i seen that exhibit, though. I've seen the fucking Time movie.
00:09:49
Jim Phoenix
If those who don't know about Warhol's Time movie, it's a fucking clock.
00:09:55
box
Wait, no, it was another artist that had paint dry, and that was to signify, like, because the reviewing board had to watch the entire thing make sure it wasn't rated, like, you know, something bad, and that was the protest of it, like, watching paint dry.
00:09:56
Jim Phoenix
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, paint dry. I'm just.
00:10:11
box
Which I thought that was clever, but yeah.
00:10:12
Jim Phoenix
watch paint dry now
00:10:16
Jim Phoenix
oh there you go mean we can wash paint dry or can do this and do this right here so do you have your stuff in order now okay can you give me your least good one does that make sense
00:10:22
box
Yeah. ah Mostly, mostly.
00:10:29
box
My least good one. Yes, that does make sense. I'm having
Redemption Arcs in Horror Moms
00:10:34
box
to, I'm looking at it. I'm going to say because she's complicated. At first, she's a bad mom, let's say.
00:10:41
box
And then she becomes a better mom. And that is the Babadook.
00:10:47
Jim Phoenix
Oh, you know what? I almost put that on my bad mom, but I didn't like the movie.
00:10:50
box
like
00:10:51
Jim Phoenix
was like, fuck.
00:10:51
box
Well, I know you didn't like the movie, but she is...
00:10:53
Jim Phoenix
The movie's a piece of shit, man. I'm sorry.
00:10:54
box
No, I like it. I love Babadook.
00:10:57
Jim Phoenix
Where's my Vince Vaughn at?
00:10:57
box
But I do love that she is a bad mom at first.
00:11:00
Jim Phoenix
I like Marmaduke.
00:11:02
box
And then...
00:11:02
Jim Phoenix
Oh, wait, wait. Marmaduke movie?
00:11:05
Jim Phoenix
Oh, I love that movie.
00:11:07
box
Oh, with Pete, what's his face?
00:11:08
Jim Phoenix
The Marmaduke? Marmaduke movie? No, Marmaduke movie's awesome.
00:11:11
box
Marmaduke.
00:11:12
Jim Phoenix
There's a mom in that one?
00:11:12
box
Yep. There's literally a Marmaduke with Pete, what's his face? From
00:11:17
Jim Phoenix
Pete, what's his face?
00:11:20
box
The one who is dating the Kardashian. I'm so bad at names.
00:11:23
Jim Phoenix
Pete Davidson has, Pete Davidson's a Marmaduke?
00:11:26
box
Yeah. He plays Marmaduke.
00:11:27
Jim Phoenix
Did not know.
00:11:29
box
Yeah.
00:11:29
Jim Phoenix
No. No idea.
00:11:31
box
And there's a mom in it. So there you
00:11:32
Jim Phoenix
Oh, well, there you go. So, no you're doing the Babadook?
00:11:36
box
I'll do the Babadook. Because I feel like she does change in the end to where she accepts her child, who is... kind of a little weirdo and she's cool with it in the end like yep this is my little weirdo and we have a babadook in our basement spoiler alerts and uh we feed him raw meat
00:11:51
Jim Phoenix
Well, but she is the Babadook. Like, isn't the mom's, like, alcoholism or, like, addiction or just, like, whatever it actually?
00:11:57
box
is she though no she didn't she didn't it was depression and it really wasn't like it's it's about pain and about loss and in the end
00:12:04
Jim Phoenix
Sure.
00:12:10
Jim Phoenix
What? About who? What was it about? Say that word again.
00:12:16
box
Pain and loss. Pain and loss.
00:12:18
box
Pain. Pain.
00:12:20
Jim Phoenix
Oh, sorry.
00:12:21
box
Pain.
00:12:22
Jim Phoenix
Not the one. Nope.
00:12:25
box
Just keep pushing buttons.
00:12:26
Jim Phoenix
Wow. I'm going to keep pushing fucking buttons. Thank you.
00:12:31
box
There you
00:12:32
Jim Phoenix
Wow.
00:12:39
box
go. Dr. Pain.
00:12:40
Jim Phoenix
Wow.
00:12:41
box
Dr.
00:12:41
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, definitely not a drop at all.
00:12:41
box
Pain.
00:12:43
Jim Phoenix
So that's your least good mom, but still ends up good?
00:12:44
box
knew you. Yeah. I think that's my least. Yeah, I feel like at the end she understands and appreciates her son because she went through a very traumatic loss and her kid is very challenging and in the end they come to a very happy medium, I feel.
00:13:03
Jim Phoenix
A medium? Like the the person who couldn't like talk to the dead? That medium?
00:13:07
box
No. No.
00:13:09
Jim Phoenix
Or like a grande Starbucks?
00:13:12
Jim Phoenix
That medium?
00:13:13
Jim Phoenix
Huh.
00:13:14
Jim Phoenix
Like how people like their steaks? Half bloody, half not? That medium?
00:13:17
box
Exactly.
00:13:18
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:13:18
box
Exactly.
00:13:19
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:13:19
box
Which my mom does not like.
00:13:20
Jim Phoenix
Speaking Well done.
00:13:21
box
She likes well done.
00:13:23
Jim Phoenix
Speaking of mediums, how many do you have?
00:13:23
box
Hi, mom.
00:13:25
box
Yes.
00:13:26
Jim Phoenix
How many you have? Just so I know.
00:13:28
box
I have like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Eight more.
00:13:33
Jim Phoenix
Awesome. Eight more. Well, shit, then I can actually do mine. Nice. All right.
00:13:37
box
trying my best.
00:13:38
Jim Phoenix
No, I like I like it. So I i did the honorable mention of, you know, Marge Thompson.
00:13:45
Jim Phoenix
And did the honorable mention of Frankie's mom from Stigmata. I'm going to my real first one. And we're going to have a small little, you know what?
00:13:46
box
I know know, but...
00:13:55
box
Oh.
00:13:56
Jim Phoenix
I'm not going to my real first one because I know it's one of yours.
00:13:58
box
Oh, okay.
00:13:59
Jim Phoenix
So I'm going skip that one. So I'll do my next real first one.
00:14:01
box
Okay. Okay.
00:14:04
Jim Phoenix
The exorcist mom.
00:14:04
box
Okay. Yeah!
Critiquing Negligent Moms in Cinema
00:14:07
Jim Phoenix
Like, for real?
00:14:07
box
Wait!
00:14:08
Jim Phoenix
What the actual fuck?
00:14:09
box
You think she was sad? was trying.
00:14:12
Jim Phoenix
She was trying what? She was she having Hollywood parties. Like, the the daughter's up, pissing herself all over the place, fucking herself a crystal.
00:14:17
box
Yeah, that one was that one was that was rough to see her peeing herself and her mom just being like,
00:14:21
Jim Phoenix
Yeah. Time for more piano. You know, just like...
00:14:28
Jim Phoenix
not giving a shit where her daughter was doing. Like, oh, whatever you do, don't play at this horrible thing I must have bought you somewhere. In the attic. I hope nothing bad happens to you.
00:14:37
box
Yeah.
00:14:40
Jim Phoenix
You know, it's just...
00:14:40
box
Yeah. Strapping her. Did they strap her down? I feel like they strapped her down at some point.
00:14:45
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, and she does play, I think it's Ellen Burstyn, she plays the mom really well because it's a complex thing.
00:14:51
box
She does.
00:14:52
Jim Phoenix
It's, you know, the whole breaking it down. But again, yeah,
00:14:56
box
She was in the most recent Exorcist as well, the mom and also Reagan.
00:15:03
Jim Phoenix
Oh, the TV show?
00:15:05
box
No, it was a movie.
00:15:07
Jim Phoenix
What? Oh, there's nothing.
00:15:08
box
just, I just watched it. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's fine.
00:15:12
Jim Phoenix
Oh, the Exorcists, plural?
00:15:15
box
It's the, I don't know, the Exorcist Electric Boogaloo.
00:15:18
Jim Phoenix
Where they had those two kids being possessed at the same time?
00:15:20
box
Yes, yes, yes, yes. That was it.
00:15:21
Jim Phoenix
Yeah,
00:15:22
box
Yep. yep
00:15:23
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I saw the one at Geena Davis.
00:15:25
box
Yep.
00:15:26
Jim Phoenix
Sorry. Like the Geena Davis one with...
00:15:27
box
Gina Davis.
00:15:29
Jim Phoenix
No, she's in... Geena Davis is a TV show.
00:15:31
box
She's amazing. Oh, really?
00:15:34
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, they did the whole fucking hell's era, yeah.
00:15:34
box
Good for her. I did know that. I don't know.
00:15:38
Jim Phoenix
So that's mine because Chris McNeil, she's not the worst in the the world, but think that's kind of like maybe less drinky-drinky and less Hollywood parties when your little kid's like pissing he yourself in front of everyone.
00:15:51
Jim Phoenix
Maybe just take care of the kid for a minute, you know?
00:15:51
box
Yeah, I guess that's true. That is true.
00:15:56
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, but she could be, know, she gets help for the kid.
00:15:59
box
She does.
00:15:59
Jim Phoenix
So, you know, at least there.
00:16:00
box
I mean, eventually.
00:16:02
Jim Phoenix
it was the 70s, so, you know, shit happens.
00:16:04
box
it Like, it was a different time, guys.
00:16:07
Jim Phoenix
It was, was, it was, it was. Okay, so what's your number or whatever? Next one.
00:16:11
box
Okay, so my number whatever next one, I i know I'm going to probably get flack for this, but I think she deserves some praise.
00:16:17
Jim Phoenix
Uh-oh.
00:16:21
box
And that is ah Godzilla with Matthew Broderick.
00:16:24
Jim Phoenix
Huh?
00:16:26
Jim Phoenix
God's... Godzilla, Mom?
00:16:30
box
Yeah.
00:16:31
Jim Phoenix
Godzilla's a mom?
00:16:33
box
And Godzilla's a mom. She lays all those eggs, remember? She lays all those eggs and she's really...
00:16:37
Jim Phoenix
That's a chicken.
00:16:39
box
She's really, really protective of her eggs, and then they go in and they blow them up like maniacs. She's just trying to do what she can.
00:16:51
Jim Phoenix
Was this the Godzilla that has roller skates?
00:16:51
box
She's a single mom.
00:16:55
box
It's... No. It's the that Matthew Broderick was in and Frank Azaria,
00:17:02
Jim Phoenix
Broderick was in a...
00:17:03
box
And, like, it's the American Godzilla, so she was a little bit chonky, and they kept referring to it as he, even though they literally say, he's pregnant.
00:17:14
box
Oh, he's having babies.
00:17:16
Jim Phoenix
Well, it might be a seahorse.
00:17:17
box
like, that's an interesting...
00:17:19
Jim Phoenix
The dude seahorse shits him on his tummy.
00:17:21
box
It could be trans. Godzilla could be a trans male and having babies. Whatever the case, it was a good parenthesis.
00:17:28
Jim Phoenix
You know Godzilla can't be no trans male because JK Rowling's not tweeting about it.
00:17:32
box
Well, I don't think she cares about Godzilla as much as I do.
00:17:34
Jim Phoenix
So I'm just fucking wrong. I don't have any skin in this fucking one, you know.
00:17:38
box
Yeah.
00:17:41
box
but
00:17:43
Jim Phoenix
But ah so so you're saying Godzilla. Okay, so that's the second least good. Oh, no, it's a good mom because they're just trying protect, right?
00:17:50
box
Yeah, she's just trying to protect her young. She's trying to eat. I mean, like, she's doing all the things an animal would do. Like, she wants to eat. She wants to go have her babies. She wants them to be safe. And what do they do? They fucking blow them up.
00:18:04
Jim Phoenix
And she tried to get some...
00:18:04
box
And she's mad. She gets mad.
00:18:06
Jim Phoenix
Man, that Cameron. I can't believe Ferris Brewer blew those fucking eggs. God damn it.
00:18:11
box
know. was a jerk.
00:18:12
Jim Phoenix
Fucking Ferris.
00:18:14
box
Freaking Ferris.
00:18:15
Jim Phoenix
Steve Martin? Oh, no. Sorry. What?
00:18:17
box
No.
00:18:19
Jim Phoenix
That's not bad.
00:18:19
box
That's a great movie, though.
00:18:19
Jim Phoenix
So are you getting to the... I like this. You see some of my list kind of goes in the same area where it's not exactly what people really would think of ah pure humanoid mother, right? You know?
00:18:29
box
yeah right right
00:18:29
Jim Phoenix
But, you know, it's not bad. Now,
00:18:34
Jim Phoenix
I have a tie for my next one
Villainous TV Moms
00:18:37
Jim Phoenix
and they're both TV shows.
00:18:37
box
okay oh okay you're going tv shows then too
00:18:41
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I'm going to keep going. One is from the TV show evil and it's not the mom. It's the grandma from evil, which is actually someone's mother.
00:18:50
box
I will be honest. I will be honest. I've never seen evil. So I don't know anything about it.
00:18:55
Jim Phoenix
Not bad. It has slight hiatus for some reason, COVID. And, you know, so it's hard to really watch it when it was first coming out because it just disappears because of COVID for a while.
00:19:05
Jim Phoenix
Like, oh, shit, we're back.
00:19:07
Jim Phoenix
Four years later, I'm like, okay, cool. I guess we'll finish this off. And then i have, so that's a grandma because spoilers, she's a piece of work.
00:19:18
Jim Phoenix
I mean, her daughter locked her out of the house. that That's how piece of work it She, on her end, doesn't do at the beginning too much that is completely just horrible.
00:19:31
Jim Phoenix
Selfish, yes.
00:19:31
box
Okay.
00:19:32
Jim Phoenix
Dickish, sure. But not pure evil. Except later in the seasons. But I think she might have a redemption arc towards the end. I either finished the series or I did not.
00:19:43
Jim Phoenix
I do not know. I think Zeph Myers and I will be talking about this later on.
00:19:48
Jim Phoenix
But don't know.
00:19:49
box
Oh. Okay.
00:19:51
Jim Phoenix
We'll see. We'll see. Maybe I don't remember the arc line too much. But at the same time, i have Maxine Fortenberry from True Blood.
00:20:01
Jim Phoenix
She, you just want to punch repeatedly.
00:20:04
Jim Phoenix
She's prejudiced. I mean, all of all these horrible things, all these tropes, like she's the prejudiced Southern mother who hates not only vampires, but gay people, black people.
00:20:16
Jim Phoenix
Black gay people. Black gay vampires.
00:20:17
box
Boo.
00:20:19
Jim Phoenix
Like anything that's not like pure white bread shit, she's going to hate.
00:20:25
box
Okay.
00:20:25
Jim Phoenix
And it's just vile how much she really fucks with Fort. I mean, Fortinbury. almost said it's the goddamn name. How much she really fucks with her kid, right? Just fucking wretched.
00:20:36
box
Right.
00:20:38
Jim Phoenix
Just manipulative. And just the whole lying and, like, the emotional bullshit that she packs into him. Like, Hoyt, I can't believe, does anything in this fucking thing.
00:20:50
Jim Phoenix
in the series because of her damage so that's where she kind of ties with the grandma but maybe she gets a little bit of edge out because of that just like there's no redeem there's no redemption in this character really
00:21:02
box
Right.
Supportive Mothers in Challenging Roles
00:21:04
box
So do you get like a satisfying conclusion like, okay, okay.
00:21:07
Jim Phoenix
yeah sort of you know but you know no spoilers for a a show that's been on for the last 10 years or been off for last 10 years
00:21:18
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, no spoilers for that one. So what's your next one?
00:21:21
box
Well, honestly, she wasn't on my list, but I'm going kind of put her on my list now because you're kind of talking about her. and know you kind of went into the little foray of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
00:21:28
Jim Phoenix
Oh.
00:21:33
Jim Phoenix
I never watched it.
00:21:34
box
Okay, well, Buffy's mom until, again, spoilers for like a million years ago, her mom dies, which was really...
00:21:39
Jim Phoenix
Buffett has a mom?
00:21:44
Jim Phoenix
Fuck, man. Now don't have to watch it no more. I was going to watch it.
00:21:47
box
Yeah.
00:21:48
Jim Phoenix
I was like, you know what? I've made an entire podcast about me not watching it.
00:21:49
box
You should...
00:21:51
Jim Phoenix
I was about to do it.
00:21:52
box
No. I mean, like, you should.
00:21:53
Jim Phoenix
And now I don't have to.
00:21:55
box
You should.
00:21:55
Jim Phoenix
No, there's no fucking way I'm watching the show.
00:21:55
box
But, I mean, like, that's just one part of it. That's just one part of it.
00:21:57
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:21:58
box
But her mom is, like, she's really trying to be supportive, especially when she doesn't realize, like, what Buffy's doing.
00:22:05
box
She just knows that Buffy has gotten into a lot of trouble before. doesn't know about any vampires, you know.
00:22:09
Jim Phoenix
Right.
00:22:11
box
And she's trying to be the best mom she can who's a single mom.
00:22:12
Jim Phoenix
Mm-mm.
00:22:15
box
Like, you see a lot of single moms, honestly, on those clips.
00:22:18
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, same here. Yeah, like even Fortenburg is thinking about it.
00:22:21
box
just single moms just try to make it work and having a daughter who, you know, she doesn't understand what's going on, but she tries to connect with Buffy. She tries to like have a real connection with her, while also keeping this job while also like trying to make ends meet.
00:22:43
box
And, you know, Buffy just trying to be a teenage girl who hunts vampires, you know, and keep that a secret.
00:22:48
Jim Phoenix
And has most of her schoolmates die in horrible, horrible ways.
00:22:52
box
Yeah. Yeah. In horrible, terrible ways.
00:22:53
Jim Phoenix
So when you're talking about Buffy's mom being a single mother and not always having the best shake and we've both noticed so far, I think at least on my list, almost everyone is a fucking single mom.
00:23:12
box
I know! And actually, ah looking- again, I'm looking at my list and I'm like, there's a lot of fucking single moms on this list.
00:23:14
Jim Phoenix
Except for the Nightmare on Elm Street.
00:23:18
Jim Phoenix
And they're not good.
00:23:20
box
No, they're- they are good too!
00:23:23
Jim Phoenix
Oh, because mine aren't good.
00:23:23
box
They're good too! Well, yours are good.
00:23:25
Jim Phoenix
By the bad list, that's how it works out.
00:23:27
box
Mine are- mine are- mine are good. They're just- they're trying to make it.
00:23:30
Jim Phoenix
But what?
00:23:32
Jim Phoenix
um I'll say one thing. The worst one on my list, like the absolute worst one, not a single mom.
00:23:34
box
What? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Ooh!
00:23:39
Jim Phoenix
So there's no judgment on single motherhood or or something like that.
00:23:41
box
Interesting.
00:23:41
Jim Phoenix
Don't worry.
00:23:42
box
Okay. Okay.
00:23:42
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:23:43
box
Okay.
00:23:43
Jim Phoenix
So who's your...
00:23:43
box
So single mothers, calm down.
00:23:44
Jim Phoenix
Wait. That was your buffery one.
00:23:46
box
It's cool.
00:23:46
Jim Phoenix
So it's back to me.
00:23:47
box
That was my...
00:23:47
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:23:48
box
Yeah, yeah. You can go ahead. I'm getting more as we talk.
00:23:49
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:23:52
Jim Phoenix
Okay, if you're getting more as we talk, I'm going to mine. I'm going skip over two. I'm going to skip over two of because want to come back to them later because I think my list was slightly out of order.
Traumatic Motherhood Moments in Film
00:24:01
Jim Phoenix
I'm going to do something that if you're from my generation or apparently li li before because this movie came out in fucking 1942, you know this mom.
00:24:12
Jim Phoenix
You know this mom because it left a scar on your childhood psyche. Bambi's mom.
00:24:18
box
Oh, wait, so we're...
00:24:19
Jim Phoenix
Worst fucking cartoon movie I've ever seen.
00:24:23
box
So we're... Okay, we're stepping away from horror at this point. I mean, I guess...
00:24:27
Jim Phoenix
That's not a horror? No, no. You don't think as a five-year-old watching a mother getting shot as a fucking five-year-old, that's not horrific?
00:24:29
box
Okay, okay.
00:24:34
box
You... You don't... You don't see it. Why is she a bad mom for getting shot, Jim?
00:24:39
Jim Phoenix
She fucking goes, hey, let's go play pop. Like, what the actual fuck is this?
00:24:43
box
She...
00:24:45
Jim Phoenix
What is this?
00:24:45
box
She's a victim in this.
00:24:47
Jim Phoenix
She's a victim.
00:24:47
box
Wait.
00:24:48
Jim Phoenix
She's like, why don't you go play with skunk and a rabbit for a while? hope we don't fall through the ice.
00:24:52
box
She did not realize that man was in the forest. And man was in the forest.
00:24:56
Jim Phoenix
Oh, that'll fucking, that's a bad deer then, man. Are you kidding? It's hunting season and shit. People wearing orange and guns blazing.
00:25:01
box
Okay.
00:25:02
Jim Phoenix
Let's go on.
00:25:02
box
Even...
00:25:03
Jim Phoenix
Let's go for a walk now.
00:25:03
box
Okay, so maybe she's... She's kind of dumb. But I don't think she's a bad mom. Because she got shot.
00:25:09
Jim Phoenix
She did. She did. mean, I'm sorry. If any mother who does not last past the opening credits, it ain't working out.
00:25:17
box
You think... Wait a minute. You think every mother who dies... in the movie is bath
00:25:23
Jim Phoenix
No, I think if you don't make it past the credits, I might be a victim blamer on this. Maybe I'm a victim blamer.
00:25:27
box
no she she made it she made it past the credit she was like it was a good 20 minutes it was a good 20 minutes before by the way spoilers
00:25:28
Jim Phoenix
I don't know.
00:25:31
Jim Phoenix
Fucking the bang didn't. Oh, that was a bad 20 minutes. I don't know how you rate good and bad for I think if mom gets shot out. like And again, if you look at it now, you look at the real adult eyes, like, oh yeah, we'll get it, whatever.
00:25:47
Jim Phoenix
But if you're a little kid going to the theater,
00:25:47
box
My mom swears she saw Bambi's mom take it.
00:25:54
Jim Phoenix
take it.
00:25:54
box
Get hit.
00:25:55
Jim Phoenix
Take it now.
00:25:56
box
But supposedly that never happened. But lot of kids from that era think that they literally saw Bambi's mom get shot.
00:26:04
Jim Phoenix
shit. Yo, yo, box, box, box. I saw Bambi's mom get shot in faces of death.
00:26:11
box
Yeah.
00:26:13
Jim Phoenix
Facts.
00:26:14
box
It's most of that is fake.
00:26:15
Jim Phoenix
Bet.
00:26:17
box
That's a lot of fake stuff.
00:26:17
Jim Phoenix
Bet.
00:26:18
box
A lot of fake.
00:26:18
Jim Phoenix
No, but I'm so sorry. If your entire point of this movie is basically you're traumatizing your kid and the audience, you're a bad mom.
00:26:27
box
so
00:26:28
Jim Phoenix
You're just a bad mom.
00:26:28
box
Look, my mom, my mom did not realize.
00:26:29
Jim Phoenix
She's not winning any fucking...
00:26:32
box
My mom did not realize when she took me to go see land before time.
00:26:32
Jim Phoenix
She's a good mom?
00:26:38
box
And the mom dies like five minutes in and I was absolutely hysterical. And my mom had to like calm me down and be like, I'm not going to
00:26:45
Jim Phoenix
Like, okay.
00:26:49
box
Because, yeah, it was very traumatizing.
00:26:52
Jim Phoenix
So your mom calmed you down by lying to you?
00:26:55
box
She did. Yes.
00:26:57
Jim Phoenix
you She'll lie to kids. Never?
00:26:58
box
No, she, wait, no, she's not lying.
00:26:59
Jim Phoenix
Sure.
00:27:00
box
She will. No, Jim, going to live forever.
00:27:03
box
She's going fucking live forever.
00:27:06
box
not.
00:27:06
Jim Phoenix
she better be fucking she's living forever so today on the stream so okay we disagree on if Bambi mom was a bad person for dying and traumatizing me Bambi take her date I'm like I'm not taking anyone date to fucking Bambi Bambi
00:27:09
box
She's got to take care of this, so... Okay.
00:27:19
box
Controversial date. Yeah, it's controversial.
00:27:25
box
Take. No, it's a confrontational... Well, you could take them to a date, but I suggest Roller Gator, which does not have any moms, so we're not going to talk about it.
00:27:35
Jim Phoenix
still traumatizing. Alright, so what's your next one?
00:27:39
box
All right, my next one is controversial, but I think she's a good mom. She's trying her best, although she's made some bad mistakes. She's trying to live up for it.
00:27:48
Jim Phoenix
it Bambi?
00:27:50
box
No, it's The Shining. It's Shelley Duvall in The Shining.
00:27:54
Jim Phoenix
I almost put that that her in her mind too. Because she does make those mistakes, but not enough to be bad.
00:27:58
box
She does. She does. Like, he's, I'm not going to say, he's an abuser. But throughout the movie, she starts getting more and more power against him, even though she's super duper scared.
00:28:10
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:28:11
box
She's doing it for her son.
00:28:12
Jim Phoenix
She babyseps to doing the right thing.
00:28:16
box
Yes, absolutely. And poor Shelley Duvall went through so much during that shooting. And it shows. Like, she literally, like, you can see it in her face. She is terrified.
00:28:31
box
And her character, like, you know, grows because she needs to protect her son.
00:28:36
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:28:37
box
And she does.
00:28:38
Jim Phoenix
You know how and why she protects her son? This is pretty interesting.
00:28:42
Jim Phoenix
Did you read the book? book?
00:28:43
box
i didn't.
00:28:45
Jim Phoenix
Okay, maybe this is just in the book. What were you say?
00:28:47
box
Okay, tell me.
00:28:47
Jim Phoenix
What was your guess? But you didn't read it.
00:28:50
box
I didn't read it, so go ahead and tell me.
00:28:52
Jim Phoenix
The reason why she grows to protect her son, because she didn't die in the fucking credit scene like Bami's mom did.
00:29:01
Jim Phoenix
That's why. She's able to protect her fucking kid.
00:29:04
box
that was in the book in fact it says that like underlying like she wasn't fucking bammy's mom
00:29:04
Jim Phoenix
It doesn't traumatize anyone.
00:29:10
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, that that's actually, I catch the book over there. it right here, page 15. It says right here. It doesn't fucking die in the first five minutes. Okay, but I get it. So she, yeah, she almost made it for my bad mom, but she...
00:29:24
box
She does have a redemption because in the beginning you're like, okay, like, he broke that kid's arm because he was drinking.
00:29:26
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:29:31
box
And you're like, I don't know about her. But she does, in the course of the movie, protect her son and protect herself and get the fuck out of there.
00:29:37
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:29:41
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I agree.
00:29:44
Jim Phoenix
Literally. No, I agree. I agree. And then that's why didn't quite make the list for me.
00:29:47
box
Yeah.
00:29:48
Jim Phoenix
So I'm brought, I'm glad you brought it up. So I go, that's good. Cause I know there's one that I thought you're going to bring up that I have on my list, but it's the one I have on my list is the least bad mom, but she's still on my list.
00:29:56
box
Oh, I might have it. Who knows?
00:30:03
box
Oh. Okay.
00:30:05
Jim Phoenix
And I'm to bring that one up until, you know, the broader time now.
00:30:09
box
Okay.
00:30:10
Jim Phoenix
How many do you have left? Just curious.
00:30:12
box
Okay, have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight left.
00:30:16
Jim Phoenix
Oh, now you have like 12,000 of them. Okay. I was like combining and shit.
00:30:18
box
I told you, told you, when we're talking, I'm like, getting into the mom spirit.
00:30:20
Jim Phoenix
All
00:30:24
box
Like, you know, yeah.
00:30:24
Jim Phoenix
right. Well, I'm not going to like all of like 12,000 of eight of them, but
00:30:27
box
Okay, that's fine. I have just eight. We're just gonna, I'm just gonna do eight more.
00:30:32
Jim Phoenix
okay. Eight more. I don't know.
00:30:35
Jim Phoenix
See, I have 11 total, but I combined them because I go, I don't got anymore.
00:30:37
box
Okay.
00:30:39
Jim Phoenix
I got like two.
00:30:40
box
Well, again, 32 ounces margarita.
00:30:40
Jim Phoenix
I got two. Fine, fine.
00:30:45
Jim Phoenix
Fine, I'll be fine.
00:30:45
box
With my mom.
00:30:46
Jim Phoenix
Mine might be just so you know, honorable mention tipping sweater on. But here we go.
00:30:49
box
Okay, okay.
00:30:50
Jim Phoenix
My next one.
00:30:52
box
Yes.
00:30:53
Jim Phoenix
It's going to be.
00:30:57
Jim Phoenix
Joan Crawford.
00:30:59
box
Mommy Dearest?
00:31:01
Jim Phoenix
Mommy dearest. Yes.
00:31:03
box
No, that's a great one. That's a really good one.
00:31:05
Jim Phoenix
Because Faye Dunaway is playing this. And if you've ever seen Mommy Dearest in 81, I saw that on Betamax.
00:31:08
box
Oh, she does such a good job.
00:31:14
box
ah
00:31:15
Jim Phoenix
That's how old I am.
00:31:17
box
That's how old you
00:31:17
Jim Phoenix
And guess which side of the VHS Betamax side my family took.
00:31:22
Jim Phoenix
The winning side, obviously.
00:31:26
Jim Phoenix
ah ah You know, whatever. It doesn't last anymore. But mommy dearest, if you don't know anything about Joan Crawford, you don't have to. Just watch and go like, holy shit, toxic fucking parenting, toxic everything.
00:31:36
box
No.
00:31:41
box
See, that's the problem because in the beginning you're like, okay, kind of see what she's going for.
00:31:41
Jim Phoenix
yeah.
00:31:48
box
it just gets worse and worse and worse and you're like, oh, okay.
00:31:49
Jim Phoenix
And worse, coat hangers are brought in. And that's the thing, like, I was beat with coat hangers. I was beat with objects.
00:31:57
box
Damn.
00:31:59
Jim Phoenix
You know?
00:31:59
box
Damn. By your mom?
00:32:01
Jim Phoenix
Hey, happy Mother's Day. And I was, you know, this is a generational thing, right?
00:32:03
box
yikes.
Toxic Parenting in Classic Movies
00:32:06
Jim Phoenix
It's like,
00:32:07
box
and Surviving Gen Z by
00:32:10
Jim Phoenix
Gen Z, fuck those people. I mean, no offense, but like,
00:32:14
box
Gen X. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Gen X. I'm sorry. Surviving Gen X. I was looking at your poster and I got my ex confused with my Z.
00:32:20
Jim Phoenix
X confused disease.
00:32:20
box
I was homeschooled.
00:32:23
Jim Phoenix
No, it's, but it's not just that she was psychologically cruel and physically cruel at the same fucking time.
00:32:30
box
Mm-hmm. Oh, absolutely.
00:32:33
Jim Phoenix
was like, there's no redeeming quality of Joan Crawford in this movie.
00:32:34
box
And
00:32:38
box
it's so difficult to see, especially when Tina gets older like she has to deal with her aging mother plus her own life.
00:32:47
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:32:48
box
It's really harrowing.
00:32:49
box
It's tough.
00:32:49
Jim Phoenix
I used to be a star.
00:32:51
Jim Phoenix
Okay, cool.
00:32:52
box
Yeah.
00:32:54
Jim Phoenix
if you're from my generation, you actually knew who Joan Crawford was.
00:32:59
box
Surviving Gen
00:33:00
Jim Phoenix
So you're like, holy shit. Like, this is the person we used to watch.
00:33:06
box
Yeah.
00:33:06
Jim Phoenix
And she's a complete fucking monster.
00:33:09
box
Yeah.
00:33:09
Jim Phoenix
It's kind like, I guess, Jen's... I'll say Gen Z, but like millennials maybe watching the Cosby show going, hey, I used to a serial rapist, you know, and pretend I wish I could go to his family house and get, you know, serially raped.
00:33:19
box
Yeah.
00:33:23
box
What is... I think the more apt one is like Ellen. Because you thought, oh, Ellen's like about kindness and this and that.
00:33:35
Jim Phoenix
Yo, no, you fucking thought Ellen was about kindness?
00:33:39
box
That's what she touted for like, well, that's what I'm saying.
00:33:40
Jim Phoenix
That toxic motherfucker.
00:33:44
box
It's like your Joan Crawford was like our Ellen DeGeneres where she, we're like, oh, she's probably, she seems like she's really nice. And then later on you're like, oh God, she's a monster.
00:33:56
Jim Phoenix
what? Maybe because I had Joan Crawford that I knew Ellen was a piece of shit.
00:34:02
box
Maybe.
00:34:03
Jim Phoenix
was like, oh, like this is like, she's making people dance.
00:34:03
box
You...
00:34:06
Jim Phoenix
That's uncomfortable.
00:34:07
box
Yeah.
00:34:09
Jim Phoenix
Like, why is she doing this shit?
00:34:11
box
Yeah.
00:34:12
Jim Phoenix
Like,
00:34:12
box
I feel like that might be part of it. Like, Joan Crawford watched so far. Like... Ugh.
00:34:20
Jim Phoenix
there you go.
00:34:21
Jim Phoenix
Joe Crawford broke some, uh, clothes hangers.
00:34:25
Jim Phoenix
So Ellen could, uh,
00:34:28
box
be terrible to everyone and racist. Yes.
00:34:33
Jim Phoenix
Okay, so that was my whatever.
00:34:35
box
All
00:34:35
Jim Phoenix
So what's your next one? What's a good mom? We have to go over to the good in the house. Get rid of Joan Crawford by a mom's.
00:34:38
box
right. Yeah, exactly. Get rid of those bad moms. So my next one is going to be And I know this is kind of like But I think she was great. mom in Amityville Horror.
00:34:52
box
Because there's a lot of focus that goes to the dad.
00:34:55
Jim Phoenix
Hmm.
00:34:55
box
But honestly, the mom was really cool.
00:34:55
Jim Phoenix
Hmm.
00:34:57
box
She was very chill. She loved her kids. She was the one that's like, dude, we have to get the fuck out of here. She was the one who was leading that charge.
00:35:04
Jim Phoenix
But does she, I mean, it's kind of like the mom and poltergeist. It's like, yeah, you know, they're there.
00:35:10
box
Yeah, she was there, but I feel like she took a more active role. I mean, like, that's why she's kind of more at the bottom of my list is like, she could have done more like it was, but you could tell it was definitely his story.
00:35:21
Jim Phoenix
Wait.
00:35:25
Jim Phoenix
The bottom of the list.
00:35:25
box
He got possessed.
00:35:26
Jim Phoenix
How many more you got left? Motherfucker.
00:35:29
box
I said I had like seven more.
00:35:29
Jim Phoenix
I'm the third.
00:35:31
box
Let's
00:35:31
Jim Phoenix
Oh God. Okay. Well, let's cruise through the season. Okay. So
00:35:34
box
go through. Yeah, let's do it.
00:35:37
Jim Phoenix
tell you what, do two more, two, two, uh, do two in a row.
00:35:38
box
What?
00:35:40
Jim Phoenix
Go out for it.
00:35:41
box
Do two in a row?
00:35:41
Jim Phoenix
Do another one.
00:35:42
box
Okay, okay, okay.
00:35:42
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:35:43
box
Next one is going to be the mom in Sleepy Hollow with Johnny Depp.
00:35:48
Jim Phoenix
There's a mom asleep. Uh huh.
00:35:50
box
Yes, because she died, and that was the whole catalyst of him, like, because she was a good mom. She was just wicked, and she died because of her beliefs, and she still protected him, can see, kind of of in the movie.
00:36:06
Jim Phoenix
sure you're reaching if you can do that one i'm doing shaft because he's one bad mother talking about shaft see he's one bad mother exactly okay what's your next one yeah i'm using shaft for that one fuck it
00:36:12
box
Okay. He is one bad. Shut your mouth. You could. Okay.
00:36:25
box
Okay, you're using Shaft. Fuck it. Okay. I will say, okay, this one's a more solid one, I feel like, is the mom from Child's Play,
Protective Moms Amidst Horror
00:36:34
box
who again is a single mom.
00:36:34
Jim Phoenix
There's a mom and child's play. This is me. Like, I'm like, surprise. There's moms in these fucking things.
00:36:39
box
Oh my gosh. Yes.
00:36:40
Jim Phoenix
There's a mom in this movie.
00:36:41
box
Her. Yes. She was the whole thing. Cause she bought the Like sketch. She, she bought it sketch because she couldn't afford it. Cause she was a single mom trying to make ends meet.
00:36:52
Jim Phoenix
huh.
00:36:52
box
I think New York, I want to say.
00:36:53
Jim Phoenix
hmm.
00:36:57
box
And ah ah her whole world was her child. And then when Chucky came into play,
00:37:01
Jim Phoenix
Well.
00:37:04
box
Like, was really her horror, not his horror. It was, like, really more horror.
00:37:10
Jim Phoenix
Horror. The MC8s.
00:37:13
box
It was really more her fear because, like, everybody around her was dying. She didn't know why. her her son was kind of going crazy because he kept saying that the doll was doing shit. And she's like, I don't understand what's going on. And then basically it was, like, her fighting it and trying to figure out what had happened. Yeah.
00:37:32
box
Which was voodoo.
00:37:32
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:37:33
box
and
00:37:34
Jim Phoenix
Sure.
00:37:34
box
That's what happened.
00:37:36
Jim Phoenix
I don't remember much of this fucking movie.
00:37:38
Jim Phoenix
Is that the one of John Ritter in it?
00:37:41
box
I can't remember. I think so.
00:37:42
Jim Phoenix
See, you're like, I don't know the fucking movie.
00:37:42
box
Look, no, I just look.
00:37:43
Jim Phoenix
Like, I could have made any name up. Like, hey, is that the one with like Jim Smith in it?
00:37:46
box
I just remember her. I just remember. Look, you told me.
00:37:50
Jim Phoenix
So, I mean, watch.
00:37:53
box
Like two hours ago.
00:37:55
Jim Phoenix
The good news good news is that would never happen in today.
00:38:00
Jim Phoenix
Because according to the news, instead of $30, you might get one or two.
00:38:05
Jim Phoenix
What's the chance of those being possessed and killing people?
00:38:07
box
Fuck off.
00:38:10
Jim Phoenix
I mean, one might be a small Chinese kid dressed as a but, you know.
00:38:11
box
You got, you got, like
00:38:16
box
you can only pick one or two devil dolls.
00:38:16
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:38:18
box
Okay, guys.
00:38:19
Jim Phoenix
Devil dolls.
00:38:19
box
Only one, Annabelle or Chucky. That's it.
00:38:22
Jim Phoenix
Well, okay. If you're going to do this, I'm going to Norm Bates. Psycho. The mom.
00:38:28
box
Okay.
00:38:28
Jim Phoenix
Because she fucked them hard.
00:38:29
box
Okay. Well... Ew. Crazy.
00:38:34
Jim Phoenix
probably literally he has some fucking issues dude he was dressing as spoiler for a movie that's older than everyone here he was dressing as the mom
00:38:38
box
He does.
00:38:43
box
It was a good movie, though. He took her mentality over
00:38:50
Jim Phoenix
sure
00:38:51
box
a a because he could not deal with the fact that she had man.
Influential Mothers in Thrillers
00:38:58
box
And that, like, she, I guess she did cheat on him.
00:39:03
box
Like, she took a, he did not want a father figure, and so he kind of killed them and kind of just absorbed her personality.
00:39:12
Jim Phoenix
Killed him with kindness. Killed him with kindness. Just like Seymour Skinner off the Simpsons. Killed him kindness. Okay, so that's, so I did my psycho, but what's your next one?
00:39:22
box
Okay, so my next one is going to be a great question. My next one is going to be, know, thank you.
00:39:29
Jim Phoenix
That's what asked.
00:39:32
box
I'm going to go with aliens. I'm going to go with aliens.
00:39:35
Jim Phoenix
Sigourney Weaver or the alien?
00:39:37
box
Both.
00:39:38
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:39:39
box
Both. Because that's the beauty aliens is it is a mother's story. In fact, I would, I would say that the whole thing of alien is about motherhood.
00:39:52
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:39:52
box
But just talking about aliens, it is Sigourney Weaver and Newt, the little girl, versus the alien mama and all of little alien babies.
Motherhood Themes in Sci-Fi
00:40:04
box
And there is that great moment where the alien mom and Sigourney Weaver are like in a standoff of like, I will fuck up your kid, kids, if you fuck up my kid.
00:40:15
box
And it's a really great moment.
00:40:17
Jim Phoenix
But then they mix DNA together. So it becomes less of a great moment.
00:40:21
box
DNA. Yeah, but then she becomes a lesbian with Winona Ryder's, like, android girl.
00:40:28
Jim Phoenix
I thought it was their daughter.
00:40:28
box
And that's fine. Oh, God, no.
00:40:32
Jim Phoenix
Oh,
00:40:33
box
No, they build a new world together. It's very cute.
00:40:36
Jim Phoenix
okay. So you're doing alien and aliens as a good mom.
00:40:37
box
It's
00:40:39
Jim Phoenix
Okay, protection.
00:40:40
Jim Phoenix
I can see that.
00:40:40
box
yeah yeah yeah like they're they're they're both trying to because again like Ripley does not want to be a mom like in the second one she actually doesn't like Newt at first but then she takes on the role of being like not only maternal but also protective it's like that mama bear and like it's two single moms again like
00:40:52
Jim Phoenix
who did
00:41:02
box
Actually, no, I think in Aliens she has that captain guy who she's kind of, like, involved with.
00:41:08
Jim Phoenix
oh little side little side on it okay not bad not bad I'll take
00:41:09
box
So it's kind of like that, you know. They don't want to put a label on anything, but, you know, it's all aside. But it's about, yeah, just about being a mother.
00:41:20
box
Super
00:41:21
Jim Phoenix
I got a bad one for you. Carrie.
00:41:24
box
bad.
00:41:24
Jim Phoenix
Carrie's mom from Carrie. Dirty pillows.
00:41:27
box
Super bad.
00:41:27
Jim Phoenix
Dirty birdies.
00:41:28
box
Super bad.
00:41:30
Jim Phoenix
Completely.
Oppressive Maternal Figures
00:41:30
Jim Phoenix
And it goes back to the Fortenberry one. Carrie's mom is basically Maxine Fortenberry. If you really want to know from True Blood who Maxine Fortenberry is, where probably the inspiration comes from, read Carrie.
00:41:46
Jim Phoenix
Because that's the mom.
00:41:47
box
Yeah, yeah. Or watch Carrie. Read Carrie, watch Carrie. It's bad.
00:41:52
Jim Phoenix
carry over carry the one.
00:41:53
box
It's like, it's that whole, like, you know, being holier than thou, you know, making sure your daughter is pure, you know, that whole kind of, like, bullshit.
00:42:05
Jim Phoenix
Right. Oh yeah, absolutely. Same thing for white. Okay. We're going to, we're coming to the home stretch because it's like almost an hour so far.
00:42:12
box
We're going.
00:42:14
Jim Phoenix
So what do also he got hit me?
00:42:14
box
I know.
00:42:17
box
Okay.
00:42:17
Jim Phoenix
I got, I got two good ones left.
00:42:19
box
I have four. Okay. So I'll, I'll double them up.
00:42:21
Jim Phoenix
So clip him.
00:42:22
box
I'll double them up. Okay. So final girls. Not Final Girl. Final Girls. It's literally all about teenager whose mother tragically died in a car accident.
00:42:29
Jim Phoenix
Sure.
00:42:35
box
Her mom used to be in this one horror movie was a schlock kind of horror movie. And then she goes to watch this horror movie with a whole bunch of people because they're celebrating it.
00:42:46
box
And she and her friends get sucked into the film. So she has to see her mom playing this character But make a real connection.
00:42:56
box
And there's a lot of real connections. This is one of the ones that always makes me cry when I watch. And I hate it, but I will.
00:43:01
Jim Phoenix
Oh, wow.
00:43:02
box
will. It's very emotional. Because it is about daughter's love for her mom.
Emotional Depth in Mother-Daughter Stories
00:43:09
Jim Phoenix
So was Bambi, you cold hunter, motherfucker.
00:43:12
box
Yeah. It's really sad, but really good.
00:43:15
Jim Phoenix
Okay, I can do that.
00:43:15
box
funny.
00:43:16
Jim Phoenix
Final girls, plural, yeah?
00:43:18
box
Yeah. Do you want me to do another one?
00:43:19
Jim Phoenix
Okay. Yep.
00:43:21
box
Jaws 3.
00:43:24
Jim Phoenix
Bigger boat.
00:43:24
box
Jaws 3, it's about a a mom who is trying to take revenge over people who came and killed her child. Like, they came they took a baby, great white, even though they know great whites don't live in captivity.
00:43:37
Jim Phoenix
We're stretching it now. We're stretching it.
00:43:40
box
but
00:43:41
Jim Phoenix
I get it. Sure. Jaws free. No, no, it's all good.
00:43:42
box
It's not stretching it. No, because Jaws 1, Jaws 2. What's the motivation? It's a shark in the water.
00:43:47
Jim Phoenix
I don't know. Honestly,
00:43:48
box
Jaws 3, it's about fucking revenge for her murdered child.
00:43:52
Jim Phoenix
all I remember is this.
00:43:54
box
Leah Thompson.
00:43:54
Jim Phoenix
vaguely remember being bored out my fucking mind for Jaws one, like 12 hour movie, like what the shit.
00:44:00
box
What the fuck? Get out of here. Fuck off.
00:44:02
Jim Phoenix
And then
00:44:02
box
I can watch that movie back to back.
00:44:05
Jim Phoenix
I remember cruel jaws being significantly better than everything else.
00:44:10
Jim Phoenix
And then I remember watching jaws three and 3d at the theater when it came out.
00:44:14
box
Yeah, you're old. Yeah, old.
00:44:15
Jim Phoenix
Yeah, I know that we had the blue red glasses and all.
00:44:18
box
Jaws 3D is about a a mom taking revenge for her child being murdered.
00:44:24
Jim Phoenix
Okay. Cool. Cool. So that's, that's, so you got two more left or no?
00:44:29
box
I do have two more left, so go ahead.
00:44:31
Jim Phoenix
Cool. I, this is my second worst mom, meaning there's only one mom that beats her.
Negligent Parenting in Documentaries
00:44:38
Jim Phoenix
This is actually a tie, but it's the same movie.
00:44:38
box
Oh.
00:44:41
Jim Phoenix
So to be fair, it's
00:44:41
box
Okay. Oh, okay.
00:44:45
Jim Phoenix
from leaving Neverland 2019. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:48
box
What?
00:44:50
Jim Phoenix
Because it's the one where the people are like, yeah, no, it could absolutely stay over at Michael Jackson's house.
00:44:51
box
What the fuck is that? What is that?
00:44:58
Jim Phoenix
No problem. You're like eight. Go for it. Knock yourself out. Stay 45, 50 year old man. No problem.
00:45:05
box
Wait, is this a documentary?
00:45:07
Jim Phoenix
Sure. wouldn't say we can do documentaries. These are bad fucking moms. It's a horror shit show.
00:45:13
box
i I have never seen this, so I have no clue.
00:45:17
Jim Phoenix
Oh, trust me. You don't want to. Do you like Michael Jackson?
00:45:19
box
Okay.
00:45:20
Jim Phoenix
Don't watch it.
00:45:22
box
Okay.
00:45:23
Jim Phoenix
But these are completely, and now they're like, oh, he's dead. Let's talk some shit about him. That's the type of vibe you get. And it's like, dude, you know, maybe, just maybe.
00:45:32
box
Okay.
00:45:38
Jim Phoenix
Not to blame, you can't blame the eight-year-old or ten-year-old, however old it was.
00:45:42
box
God, no, they're children.
00:45:43
Jim Phoenix
You can't blame that. You could blame Michael Jackson if it was factual. I don't know if it's factual or not. The documentaries are, you know, people saying one thing or another is like, Carl Lawson, no.
00:45:53
box
Allegedly. It's all allegedly.
00:45:54
Jim Phoenix
Right? It's all alleged. But you can absolutely say had some poor fucking parenting skills if you're like, yeah, cool. Take them wherever want.
00:46:03
box
Well, look at Drew Barrymore's mom.
00:46:04
Jim Phoenix
You had some poor fucking parenting. Yeah. I'm not saying anyone should be getting a pass on this shit. Drew Barrymore was an alcoholic drug guy before she was 10.
00:46:10
box
Miley. Wait, no.
00:46:13
box
I know.
00:46:15
Jim Phoenix
You know?
00:46:17
box
Lindsay Lohan's mom.
00:46:19
Jim Phoenix
ah ah So that was my second worst, worst mom.
00:46:19
box
Child stars.
00:46:23
Jim Phoenix
There's actually one mom that beats them all.
00:46:25
box
Oh.
00:46:26
Jim Phoenix
Believe it it or not.
00:46:27
box
Okay.
00:46:27
Jim Phoenix
So what's your second good, goody, good toosh mom?
00:46:27
box
Okay. Okay. second good one... phone's not letting me in. Okay. My second good mom is going to be Mama Washington from Surf Nazis Must because she's phenomenal
Revenge & Strong Mothers in Cult Films
00:46:44
box
and, like...
00:46:45
box
She goes, again, it's a revenge story about her son being killed by fucking Nazis. And she goes and she gets her revenge. And I love it.
00:46:55
box
Mama Washington.
00:46:56
Jim Phoenix
interesting interesting i like that i like that i like that i'm not going to do not my number one yet i'm i'm gonna hold off i'm gonna take my number one last yeah it is a bit it's a bit secret it's bit secret
00:46:57
box
Eleanor Washington.
00:47:03
box
Why? Why? you secret? Is secret? Okay. Is it your secret crush?
00:47:12
Jim Phoenix
No, not an error.
00:47:14
box
Okay.
00:47:14
Jim Phoenix
So what was your next one?
00:47:17
box
Okay, so my number one Mother's Day film, I feel of all time, of moms who are good moms, there's some bad moms, but there are a lot of good moms, is Silent Hill, the movie.
00:47:31
Jim Phoenix
Interesting. So I thought you're going to do Friday the 13th. That's why i was was holding off a bit.
00:47:35
box
okay. Okay, I was, you said you were gonna, we did disagree on that.
00:47:36
Jim Phoenix
Because we disagreed on that one.
00:47:39
box
I figured you would just take it and then I would just disagree with you like normal.
00:47:42
Jim Phoenix
Oh, no, was number 11 for me. So no.
00:47:44
box
Okay. Well, with this one, it's all about, it's literally all about motherhood.
00:47:49
Jim Phoenix
Okay, so Silent Hill is the one you're just the best movie for moms period.
00:47:49
box
The whole thing of Silent Hill.
00:47:53
box
Yeah.
00:47:54
Jim Phoenix
mean, that's best portrayal of a mom.
00:47:55
box
Yes. Super, super, like, it's all about motherhood. It's all about being a mom.
00:48:00
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:48:01
box
Actually, she's not even a single mom. Sean Bean just stays home and she goes out and she tries to figure out what's going on with her daughter.
00:48:08
Jim Phoenix
I mean, I mean, wouldn't you, Sean Bean? You know how many times he leaves a fucking house and gets killed in movies?
00:48:14
box
he's he dies so many like this is actually I think one of those rare ones where he survives and he's fine shut he's just he's a stay at home dad and he's happy with that and he stayed home and he was fine
00:48:21
Jim Phoenix
He's like, fuck this. staying home.
00:48:26
Jim Phoenix
Game of Thrones would be one season. Like, what happened? Ned stayed the fucking home. That's what happened.
00:48:33
Jim Phoenix
Took care of crippled kid. That's about it. They live happily ever after at the end.
00:48:39
Jim Phoenix
It's okay. I get the sign and who plays the mama's on the hill.
00:48:42
box
Okay, that's a great question because some don't know offhand.
00:48:44
Jim Phoenix
Well, it's all good.
00:48:46
box
So I'm going to look it up. it's But she plays it really well because she's terrified the whole time.
00:48:53
Jim Phoenix
Right.
00:48:54
box
But she maintains because she loves her daughter so much.
00:48:58
Jim Phoenix
She's doing it for the daughter.
00:48:59
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:49:00
box
Exactly. Radha Mitchell plays Rose Da Silva.
00:49:02
Jim Phoenix
Oh shit.
00:49:04
box
Sean Bean plays her husband. And then Jodell Furland plays Alyssa, her daughter.
00:49:11
Jim Phoenix
Dig it. And I like Silent Hill. I mean, the whole video games and the movies are actually a pretty decent.
00:49:15
box
The movie is super creepy.
00:49:17
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:49:18
box
And again, it's like it is about a mother's love to save her daughter and another mother's love that she
Controversial Historical Mothers
00:49:26
box
didn't she wasn't strong enough to save her daughter.
00:49:28
Jim Phoenix
Okay. Interesting you say that because is not my number one bad, bad mom. Pamela Voorhees.
00:49:36
box
Yeah.
00:49:36
Jim Phoenix
Like, I think she's a bad mom because, you know, honestly, she didn't teach her kid out to swim.
00:49:37
box
I think she's a good mom.
00:49:42
box
Okay, look.
00:49:42
Jim Phoenix
The whole movie would be done with if she can just teach a motherfucker to swim.
00:49:46
box
Look, he was a special boy.
00:49:47
Jim Phoenix
Take five seconds out. Teach him swim.
00:49:49
box
didn't know automatically.
00:49:50
Jim Phoenix
He's a special boy. He's like 10 feet tall and kills people.
00:49:54
box
Well, later on for some reason. But originally, believe he has intellectual or developmental disability.
00:49:57
Jim Phoenix
He's immortal. I'll smash.
00:50:03
box
So he goes to camp. And they're supposed to be taking care of him.
00:50:06
Jim Phoenix
Use a fucking chainsaw though.
00:50:09
box
Like, that's why she sent him to camp.
00:50:10
Jim Phoenix
Oh, they take care of them. They sure take care them.
00:50:12
box
She sent him to camp so he could, like, be around peers.
00:50:12
Jim Phoenix
All right.
00:50:15
box
He could have fun.
00:50:16
Jim Phoenix
Yeah.
00:50:16
box
He could have s'mores instead.
00:50:18
Jim Phoenix
Never eat pears.
00:50:20
box
These ah ah teenagers just go ahead and fuck while he's drowning.
00:50:25
Jim Phoenix
Damn it.
00:50:25
box
So she gets upset.
00:50:26
Jim Phoenix
Kevin Bacon. Oh, Raman.
00:50:27
box
She gets upset. I get that. She...
00:50:30
Jim Phoenix
Okay, but still, I'm like, I mean, that's why it was like number 11 for me.
00:50:33
Jim Phoenix
It was like whatever and it's a good one for you.
00:50:36
box
No, i I think she's a good mom. I think she's just kind of crazy.
00:50:40
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:50:40
box
But I think she was trying.
00:50:43
Jim Phoenix
I've got only the worst mom, period.
00:50:43
box
Single mom.
00:50:46
Jim Phoenix
Do you have any other good ones before I do my worst one?
00:50:49
box
No, I think that was... think I did my piece.
00:50:52
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:50:52
box
Okay.
00:50:55
Jim Phoenix
And the worst mother A war goes to Clara Hitler. She literally gave birth to Hitler.
00:51:05
box
Oh my god, that's a low reaching.
00:51:06
Jim Phoenix
How much more mom you get fucking be that you were Hitler's mom? Think about it.
00:51:11
box
That... Well, there's another person.
00:51:14
Jim Phoenix
She beats all the other fucking moms.
00:51:16
box
There's another mother that I... That's close. That's close.
00:51:20
Jim Phoenix
To close to Hitler's mom? I don't think so.
00:51:25
box
I don't want to say anything. I plead the fifth.
00:51:25
Jim Phoenix
The, the,
00:51:28
Jim Phoenix
If this person is still alive, he ain't anywhere close to Hitler.
00:51:32
box
We'll see.
00:51:33
box
trying.
00:51:33
Jim Phoenix
I doubt that.
00:51:35
box
He's trying.
00:51:35
Jim Phoenix
I severely, severely doubt that. But we've got Hitler's mom. The end. Clara Hitler, the worst, biggest horror bad mom ever.
00:51:48
Jim Phoenix
I think she beats Joan Crawford She definitely beats Bambi's mom. a a Although, just like Bambi's mom, she kind of dies early. Spoiler alert. Spoiler for that one.
00:52:00
Jim Phoenix
And you know what? If she just was a little bit more... Maybe different worlds. But that's it from Jimbo going all the way through the Bambi's and the Hortenberry's and also Joan Crawford's and stuff like that and the Schematos and stuff that all the way to Hitler's mom.
00:52:06
box
Well, yeah.
00:52:19
Jim Phoenix
There you go. The end. And your best one was Silent Hill. Okay.
00:52:24
box
My best one, yeah.
00:52:24
Jim Phoenix
Not bad.
00:52:25
box
Because she was willing to go to literal hell to save her daughter. And I think that's pretty cool.
00:52:31
Jim Phoenix
Well, I think Clara Hitler did the same thing.
00:52:34
Jim Phoenix
She actually went to literal hell for being the mother of Hitler.
00:52:34
box
don't think so.
00:52:38
box
See, I didn't even, I thought you were going to talk about Rosemary's baby.
00:52:41
Jim Phoenix
Nah, fuck that shit.
00:52:41
box
I thought you were going I thought you were going to like bring more traditional moms. You, you threw you threw a loop, you know?
00:52:49
Jim Phoenix
Damn right, dude. ah Damn right, dude. So that's it. Happy Mother's Day from me, Jim or Joe. what want to say? Box, Brannock. There you go. That's our Mother's Day show. Best to
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00:52:59
Jim Phoenix
worst moms all over the place.
00:52:59
box
Yeah.
00:53:01
Jim Phoenix
All this and more on this stream and demons. Remember, what's next up? We're going to you and I are doing Bruce Campbell, right?
00:53:08
box
Bruce Campbell. Yeah.
00:53:09
Jim Phoenix
Nice.
00:53:10
box
you We're going to tag team Bruce Campbell.
00:53:12
Jim Phoenix
We're going to tag team Bruce Campbell.
00:53:13
box
you want the front or the back?
00:53:14
Jim Phoenix
Then out. Well, I'll just take the chin. You know mean?
00:53:19
Jim Phoenix
Just take the chin.
00:53:19
box
Zing.
00:53:19
Jim Phoenix
There we go. Happy Mother's Day, y'all. Even Hitler's mom.
00:53:23
box
Happy Mom's Day, Mom. No. No.
00:53:27
Jim Phoenix
It's still not her fucking fault.
00:53:34
Jim Phoenix
Although she is mother Hitler.
00:53:36
box
She is Mother Hitler.
00:53:42
Jim Phoenix
Okay.
00:53:47
box
Unless Shaft is one bad mother.
00:53:52
Jim Phoenix
Bad moms.