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James Gunn’s Superman: Spoiler-Packed, Gushing, Griping, and Geeking Out (ft. Amelie) image

James Gunn’s Superman: Spoiler-Packed, Gushing, Griping, and Geeking Out (ft. Amelie)

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Jo is joined by chaos agent Amelie for a full-throttle, spoiler-packed review of James Gunn’s Superman. From caramel popcorn disasters to cinematic redemption arcs, they’re breaking it all down.

They explore Gunn’s tonal shift from grimdark Snyder to a vibrant, emotionally raw DCU. Expect deep dives into that standout Lois Lane interview, cameos from familiar faces (yes, even him), and whether Superman’s new moral direction holds up. The fictional war in Moravia sparks some real-world political reflection, while the post-credits scene introduces a messy, powerful new face fans won’t forget.

Also: Guardians and X-Men nods, surprise character drops, action with emotional weight, and a big tease for Supergirl’s upcoming spotlight. Oh—and next week’s episode? It’s about flops that aged like fine cult-classic wine.

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⏱️ KEY MOMENTS

  • Gunn’s bright, bold tone shift
  • Lois Lane’s hard-hitting interview
  • Real-world themes behind the Moravia conflict
  • Unexpected DCU cameo love
  • Supergirl’s chaotic introduction
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Transcript

Nostalgic Superman Viewing Experiences

00:00:06
Jo
Hey everyone, Joe is here and yeah, we're done. Okay, so today's What's Crackin', I will tell you right now, I watched Superman, like was it Sunday I think? And I told you that night, go see it?
00:00:21
Amelie
Yeah.
00:00:22
Jo
Yeah. So we both saw the Superman and different times. One had a better experience because someone had caramel popcorn, the shit is that, Prague.
00:00:32
Amelie
Aha, aha, aha.
00:00:35
Jo
Oh my god, we get like basically you want butter or fucking slap in the face. Like, I don't know. i had butter last time. Slap in the face. Like, motherfucker, why?

Streaming Demons' New Focus on Superman

00:00:44
Jo
So we are doing something different in today's Streaming Demons. We'll come back with Barry next time, promise. But Superman was the best thing to come out of DC Universe since fucking Heath Ledger's sperm. I don't know.
00:01:01
Jo
Oh, wait, what? Whatever. You know what?
00:01:05
Jo
And we're both pretty big comic book nerds. You're wearing a Batman shirt as proof, proof, proof. And I got my preacher hand drawn right there.
00:01:18
Jo
And when we're watching this, all I could think of is like, wow, she would really like this fucking movie for multiple reasons.

Engagement and Spoiler Alert

00:01:29
Jo
And without getting into too much detail, like and subscribe now, kids. And does help us out. Honestly, like and subscribe sounds like a mantra.
00:01:36
Jo
It does help us out. And someone's got like 12 kids to feed. And it ain't me, motherfuckers. So, you know, like and subscribe for her. Really. You have to. Help a motherfucker out.
00:01:49
Jo
We usually don't spoil things on Streaming Demons. Unless the movie is like 12,000 years old, we usually don't spoil things. Today, if you have not seen Superman, get the fuck out. Watch Superman and come back. Because we're going spoil the shit out of it today.
00:02:05
Jo
I was thinking like, do we want to do a spoiler-free episode? i'm like, no, fuck that shit.
00:02:07
Amelie
we need to do a spoiler one we need to do spider one like yeah
00:02:08
Jo
We're going to talk about some shit. Yeah, spoiler. So, last chance. If you have not seen Superman, and I mean James Gunn's Superman, get the fuck out, watch it, and come

Passion for Comics and Superhero Genre

00:02:20
Jo
back.
00:02:20
Amelie
yes bye-bye guys
00:02:21
Jo
Or just skip to a Barry episode. All good. We'll see you next week anyways, right? Because we are spoiling this shit. Spoiling it. Alright, so, starting out, right?
00:02:33
Jo
It's a lot of goddamn fucking words on the screen. Like, was it three months, three days? It's been seven hours. Like, what the fuck?
00:02:39
Amelie
Yeah. I love it.
00:02:42
Jo
Did you?
00:02:42
Amelie
I love it.
00:02:42
Jo
Did you?
00:02:43
Amelie
Oh, yeah. So, okay. You send me that message. Tell everybody you need to know.
00:02:51
Jo
Yeah.
00:02:51
Amelie
I am a big Superman fan, Batman fan.
00:02:55
Jo
Yes.
00:02:56
Amelie
When I was a little girl, I used to watch Lewis and Clark, the series, and I was really, really huge on

Darkening Tone of Superhero Films

00:03:02
Amelie
it. And I really liked the series Lewis and Clark, and I really liked the cartoon Batman from the 90s with the Joker and Harley Quinn.
00:03:10
Amelie
And um as an adult, I did appreciate Man of Steel because it's really dark, you know, and the man is a geek and it's really, really dark. But more and more and more Batman and Superman and superhero ah movies are getting darker and darker and darker. And it takes a little bit of fun of it, you know.
00:03:33
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:33
Amelie
And I complain about the CGI and stuff. And when you send me the text message like, hey, Have you seen Superman? No. Go watch it. I'm like, dude, like, I don't know. Yeah, I watched the trailer. Maybe I'm going to, you know, watch it on my computer. Maybe, you know, no, no, no, no.
00:03:52
Amelie
Go watch it. I'm not going to spoil anything, but it's a good one.
00:03:56
Jo
True.
00:03:57
Amelie
Like, seriously, for superhero stuff, it's a good one. And I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. It's been a long time I didn't go to the cinema. I want to get out and I'm always in my routine. I'm like, oh, I'm going to to rewatch the trailer. I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's go. Yeah.
00:04:15
Amelie
And what pushed me to go is you said there is something in the synopsis where I thought about you and I'm like, I watched the trailer and I'm like, you know what?
00:04:27
Amelie
I'm going to to check. It's just two hours. Yeah, yeah, let's go. Let's do let's do it.
00:04:31
Jo
Yeah.

Captivating Plot and James Gunn's Influence

00:04:32
Amelie
Let's go. It's not three hours and dark like
00:04:33
Jo
No, it's not one of those three hour fuck fests.
00:04:35
Amelie
It's very colorful.
00:04:36
Amelie
It's very kitty kitty. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going. So I went. I went in the middle of the cinema, big screen, my popcorn caramel, my little Pepsi on the side.
00:04:36
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:47
Amelie
And I'm like, OK.
00:04:48
Jo
Yeah, a little Pepsi.
00:04:49
Amelie
Yeah, a little Pepsi, little Pepsi, big, medium caramel, you know.
00:04:51
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:53
Amelie
And I'm like, OK. And the scene starts. And you're like, 30 years ago, this happened. 30 months ago, this happened. three years ago, this happened 30 minutes ago, three months ago, this happened, and I really like it because more you read, more you're like, okay, okay.
00:05:03
Jo
three years ago yeah
00:05:11
Jo
yeah Superman I motherfucker yeah yeah
00:05:13
Amelie
And 30 minutes ago, Batman lost his first battle, his first fight. And you see Superman, sorry. And there, bang, the scene stopped. And I'm like, I like it. There is no too much blah, blah, blah.
00:05:27
Amelie
It's just written, you know, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. And I like that.
00:05:32
Jo
No, it's wonderful, and it starts out in the middle of a fuckfest fight where he just got his ass beat, and he's calling for his dog.
00:05:40
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:05:40
Jo
And then it goes, it's serious, serious, serious, calls for a dog, comedy again. Serious, serious, serious, comedy. dotda dot da com it It's a James Gunn film. If you watch Guardians the Galaxy, A, a lot of the same fucking casters, you know, a lot of the Guardians of the Galaxy cast and crew are in this fucking film, which is amazing.
00:06:03
Jo
But B, it's the same vibe where if you were like me and you're like, Kyrnian's in a galaxy. Who the fuck would green light this? And then you watch it, going, oh, I am so fucking wrong.
00:06:15
Jo
I'm so sorry, like Kevin Feige. Obviously, you know what you're doing. I fucking didn't. It's a master plan. It's exactly what Marvel needed at that phase. And it's that same energy. It's the same fun. It's the same energy.
00:06:30
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:06:30
Jo
It's serious and fun. It's life. It can't just be all dark. is You're right. The other Superman is like, oh, I'm the most powerful being on the planet. How depressing.
00:06:38
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:06:40
Jo
I have a morality, so I can't like rob people and shit, apparently. And I fight the same motherfuckers from Krypton every goddamn time someone reboots my franchise. Like that first reboot of Superman.
00:06:54
Jo
Not the Carvel one, the one before that. It was basically the same script that Reeves did in the 70s, just with shittier actors.
00:07:04
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:07:06
Jo
So i'm like, oh, wow why am I watching this fucking movie? I saw this movie as a kid. It's like the exact same fucking movie. with an actual fucking Chris Reeves Superman. And so, yeah, that was kind of like a bad relaunch. And then Carvel Superman just got killed by writing.
00:07:23
Jo
Honestly, Carvel is a great actor and fucking, I can't wait to see him in this new shit. But the the writing was just crap. And then you get this one where James Gunn's like, I can fix this shit.
00:07:34
Jo
Because we had a lot of Blake Schneider bullshit. A lot of 12 hour needless fucking movies. A lot of like like, oh, my mom and your mom's got the same name. Oh, fuck my ass. ah could even watch Did you watch that one? where the the Spoiler.
00:07:51
Jo
They don't kill each other because their moms have the same name.
00:07:56
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, it was that fucking dumb.
00:07:58
Amelie
it And the problem is it gets darker and darker and it takes the fun of it.
00:08:04
Jo
Reeves.
00:08:04
Amelie
Superman, like when you watch the first Superman from the 70s, 80s, it's really cool.
00:08:09
Jo
rees
00:08:10
Amelie
Like, yeah, there is a the good and the bad and you're child and you watch it and there is a the weight, but it's fun.

Balancing Dark Themes with Fun

00:08:21
Amelie
When you watch Spider-Man, for example, everybody loves Spider-Man from the 2000s because it's dark, but it's fun.
00:08:21
Jo
yeah
00:08:24
Jo
It was fun. All of them.
00:08:29
Amelie
Like Tobey Maguire, uh,
00:08:31
Jo
Yeah.
00:08:32
Amelie
uh... he does some stupid shit and it's fun you know and whenever I rewatch it I'm like no there's a dark sad storyline with the dad buuuut it's fun it's goofy it's fun
00:08:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:08:44
Jo
Yeah, it has to be. And that that was, thats i think the one reason why the original, mo I'm not talking about Adam West, I know, or Burt Ward, I get it. But the original real Batman movie with Michael Keaton, it worked because Michael Keaton was a comedic actor. We're like, we want to see this.
00:09:02
Jo
We want to see a comedic actor fucking pull off Batman.
00:09:03
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:09:05
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:09:06
Jo
And he does so brilliantly. And the supporting cast, Jack Nicholson is, I'm so sorry if Heath Ledger fans, is the best Joker. It really is Jack Nicholson.
00:09:15
Amelie
He was a good one. he was a good one.
00:09:17
Jo
ah Jack is...
00:09:17
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:09:18
Jo
Heath Ledger's Joker doesn't exist without Jack's. So sorry.
00:09:21
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:09:22
Jo
it's like Crying people's parade on this. And the Wild King Phoenix wouldn't exist all if those other ones didn't pick up.
00:09:27
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:09:29
Jo
So you see that and it's the cartoonist and Prince does the soundtrack. And it's ah it's over the top. It's cartoon. It's an actual fucking cartoonist, but with grit. And I think that's what this Superman does well.
00:09:41
Jo
It's cartoonish. And they talk about a lot of like why people can't see him. I can't see anything. Sorry. If I take these glasses off, if I open my eyes, then red lasers would shoot into this camera.
00:09:54
Jo
It would kill everyone. That's why they have these red glasses on.
00:09:56
Amelie
Like the X-Men.
00:09:56
Jo
But no one's wondering. Yeah. But ah the only thing is I've discovered if I am looking at something, and mean, heartbreakingly gorgeous, red lasers will not shoot out. So let me see.
00:10:11
Jo
Oh yeah. He still got it.
00:10:15
Amelie
That's cute. That's cute.
00:10:16
Jo
Isn't it
00:10:16
Amelie
I like it.
00:10:17
Amelie
and It works, ladies and gentlemen. It works. If the girl wears a Batman t-shirt and she's really into comics, you can say to to her, oh, I've got terrible migraine because I've got a superpower.
00:10:17
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:20
Jo
it
00:10:29
Jo
Nasers come out.
00:10:29
Amelie
Laser came out of my my eyes. If she mentions X-Men, that's really cool. And that, that ladies didn't go and gentlemen, that's what I like.
00:10:39
Jo
or
00:10:39
Amelie
That's what I like. It works.
00:10:40
Jo
And that's a perfect segue. And X-Men's in this movie. And X-Men is actually in this movie. Nicholas Holt, who plays Lex Luthor, is, oddly enough, Cyclops.
00:10:47
Amelie
Mm-hmm.

Actor's Transformation and Moral Questions

00:10:53
Jo
In the X-Men movies. In the younger version X-Men movies. So seeing him again, like, my God, now he's playing a bad guy. I get it. But let's go through this cast. Let's go through this cast.
00:11:05
Jo
We got Rachel. I'm going to say everyone's name wrong. David Cornsweet, of course, is Superman. And he's somehow bigger than everyone else. I mean, I have i don't know what his diet was or his training regimen is. But my God, man, he really fucking put it on for this one.
00:11:23
Jo
And that was the biggest thing. Chris Reeve could fill that suit out himself as well. And this is like a good callback. And we have Rachel Brosana. I've never watched a Marvelous Miss Mabel. I'm so sorry. It's my to-do list.
00:11:36
Jo
Sort not really. I won't watch it. I'm so sorry. I don't get it. i'm sorry like And Lenny Bruce, I understand, was in. I know. I know. Just me. But she's amazing as Lois Lane.
00:11:47
Jo
And then we got Nicholas Houle. And now, let's go through the Guardians of the Galaxy, shall we We've got... Well, I don't know if Alan is... Yeah. We've got Alan to the... as Robot Gary, right?
00:11:59
Jo
We got Bradley Cooper as Joelle.
00:12:02
Amelie
Yeah.
00:12:02
Jo
Awesome in the Guardians of Galaxy. We have Michael Rooker as Super Robot number one, Guardians the Galaxy.
00:12:07
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:12:08
Jo
We've got Palm in it, Super Robot number five, Guardians of the Galaxy. We have all of these Guardians of the Galaxy callbacks.
00:12:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:12:17
Jo
And it's fun to see them in these different roles. And i think that's what makes James Gunn a fucking brilliant our artist.
00:12:27
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:12:27
Jo
But I remember when they stuck by him before when some bullshit online trolls were happening and they fucking stuck by him and that fucking pays off.
00:12:35
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:12:37
Jo
So and DC stuck by him as well and Marvel stuck by him as well. And it sometimes says, you know, fuck trolls.
00:12:44
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:12:45
Jo
And you know who else is in it?
00:12:45
Amelie
Like the monkey.
00:12:47
Jo
Yeah, I was like, i andy he's hating
00:12:47
Amelie
Like the monkey. Like the monkey. The monkey.
00:12:50
Jo
Mom, I more stuff. I can't you leave my basement. I'm typing on the internet now. yeah Nah, fuck you guys.
00:13:00
Amelie
But we know the truth. The monkey. Do you remember? The monkey.
00:13:03
Jo
Oh yeah, it was a, yeah. thats And that is the brilliant, I'm so glad you brought that up. So when Superman is talking about this stuff, he's like, hes he interviews, Clark interviews himself all the time.
00:13:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:13:16
Jo
And they're always like the very boring, dry type thing. And Lois is like, ah you know you interview yourself all the time, it might catch on. Because they're dating we know this now.
00:13:33
Jo
And it's the interview setup. It's a very sweet moment. Because like, yeah, of course, I'll give you an interview. It's like, are you sure you want this? Like, yeah, why not?
00:13:44
Jo
And she shreds him. She fucking just shreds Superman. Because Superman still has a mindset. Everything he does is good.
00:13:50
Amelie
Yeah.
00:13:51
Jo
He's never going to be wrong. Everything he does is good. Not because he thinks he's the best person in the world. He thinks that he's there to do good and he knows what good is.
00:13:57
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:14:01
Jo
Always very dangerous.
00:14:01
Amelie
Yeah.
00:14:03
Jo
Darth Vader, like, if you want to talk about Anakin Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker thought he was doing good when he was joining with the Empire to bring order to chaos.
00:14:14
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:14:14
Jo
Like, no one really thinks they're doing evil. Iago, fine.
00:14:17
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:14:17
Jo
Fuck you, Iago. Always a reception to the rule. But it proves the rule, right? And you see this in Superman, and it's like, what is Super shit? yeah Like, all the tweeting?
00:14:27
Amelie
Super shit, yeah.
00:14:28
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:28
Amelie
So what about so social media? I don't look at social media. yeah
00:14:31
Amelie
Okay, so what about super shit? But why you say that? Why you do that? And and he's really upset at it. And that's really interesting.
00:14:31
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:37
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:38
Amelie
But what I really like about the interview, she's like, so you stopped the Moravian war, etc. But did you consult the American president? No.
00:14:47
Jo
Right. Right.
00:14:47
Amelie
Did you go to see the president of Moravia? No, not at all. I just went because they're going to kill people. Okay, but were you going as an American or just for you?
00:14:59
Amelie
Like, who gives you the right of?
00:15:00
Jo
yeah
00:15:02
Amelie
People are going to die now, but who gives you the right of? Because you're super power, super, and she really asked the very important question anybody would ask, right?
00:15:11
Jo
right Yeah, and he's and he gets kind of upset a bit. And then kind of not really down talking to her but it's kind of like the you feel the weight of being able to actually be Superman.
00:15:30
Jo
You feel that weight.
00:15:32
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:15:32
Jo
Because he doesn't need to work as a fucking reporter. He doesn't need to help people out. He could just be the most biggest, fucking richest, baddest fucking person on the goddamn planet.
00:15:41
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:15:42
Jo
and And still be like, okay, what I'll do for tomorrow. You know?
00:15:44
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:15:45
Jo
And he's like, I put all these fucking checks on myself, so I do good. People who are going... He loses his shit. People are going to die, Lois. He loses his fucking shit. And he's like, fuck you, I'm out.
00:16:00
Jo
And she's like, oh, it always happens this way. Nah, nah, nah.
00:16:02
Amelie
Yeah.
00:16:04
Jo
And it's a believable chemistry. It actually is a believable chemistry between those as a couple, right?
00:16:09
Amelie
Because it's not too sexual.
00:16:11
Jo
No.
00:16:11
Amelie
It's not too mysterious. And that's everyday life. It's not... I really like that about that movie. I can watch it with my kids.
00:16:20
Jo
Yeah, you could.
00:16:20
Amelie
It's made for kids. It's not too violent. It's funny. You're an adult. You're going to have a good time. And at the same time, ah the chemistry between them is good because they work together.
00:16:27
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:32
Amelie
They have a moment when apparently it's a stream of an anniversary and he wants to make a pancakes to her.
00:16:37
Jo
Yeah, he's trying to like...
00:16:38
Amelie
And she's like, oh, you like to do breakfast for dinner. I don't like it, but I do like pancakes. know, it's really lovely.
00:16:43
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:44
Amelie
And the simple, oh, I knew it wouldn't work.
00:16:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:48
Amelie
It was like, what do you mean? What do you mean? Oh, no. um but no What do you mean? And you leave. And there is no big drama.
00:16:52
Jo
And leaves.
00:16:55
Amelie
It's realistic. I like it.
00:16:56
Jo
Yeah, no, and that's exactly it. It wasn't like, the world's going to end. we I have to break up of Lois. like No, was just like, fuck, sometimes people just end.
00:17:05
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:17:06
Jo
You know, and people know exactly what i'm talking about sometimes. But yeah. And this is one of the things, we're talking about ratings, about kids friendly, it's PG-13. Yeah, there yeah there there is You know they probably have sex because they kiss and they they make out a bit.
00:17:22
Jo
But that's about all.
00:17:22
Amelie
Mm-hmm.

Superman's Realistic Struggles

00:17:24
Jo
and it's it's not And the violence is mostly implied. There are some fistfights. There are some eye-burning stuff. And there's sometimes you know Superman.
00:17:39
Jo
And I'll say this, man. Superman does kill people in this fucking film. He kills a bunch of motherfuckers in this film.
00:17:43
Amelie
yeah yep yep
00:17:46
Jo
Like, I'm like fuck, did Superman just kill people? Like, yes, he did. He did, son, and he's going kill more people.
00:17:50
Amelie
but there's no blue door anything like there is even a little wink wink to violence when they the big monster and there's a three super hero what I see I was like fuck going to expose in his but in no
00:17:59
Jo
Yeah.
00:18:03
Jo
The Justice Group. Yes, and I'm glad you brought that up. and We got the Green Lantern, we got Hawkgirl, and we got Mr.
00:18:06
Amelie
ah huh
00:18:10
Jo
Fantastic.
00:18:11
Amelie
I like hot girl.
00:18:11
Jo
Mr. Fantastic? Very good.
00:18:14
Amelie
It was my favorite.
00:18:15
Jo
No, not Mr. fan Fantastic. Oh my God. What's his name?
00:18:20
Amelie
I don't know.
00:18:21
Jo
I'm drawing a blank. But I will say this. Nathan Fillion plays ah Guy Gardner in the Green Lantern.
00:18:28
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:18:29
Jo
And allegedly, allegedly, Nathan was the one who wants the bowl cut. Because that's what, in the comic book, the Green Lantern, that version, and Guy Gardner version of it, was wearing in the comics because the comics are dated as fuck.
00:18:37
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:18:40
Jo
So he's like, he tried to keep from the character. And he's also...
00:18:42
Amelie
Yeah.
00:18:44
Jo
Played in Guardians of the Galaxy.
00:18:45
Amelie
Yeah.
00:18:46
Jo
Nathan Fillion. So you have all of these. All of these fucking setups. and And they all work. And that's the thing. There's one point I did lose a plot.
00:18:58
Jo
I did lose a plot. And it was like, how did Lex Luthor...
00:19:00
Amelie
girl
00:19:02
Jo
What was it? How did he get into the Superman's Palace type thing?
00:19:08
Amelie
I know. ah He grabbed a hair of Superman, created a clone of it, and that's how he managed to enter the super lab.
00:19:09
Jo
I...
00:19:13
Jo
Right. Right.
00:19:17
Jo
Right. Yeah. But that's the thing. When that came in, by the time that actually came in, I forgot.
00:19:22
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:19:24
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:19:27
Jo
Like, I just kind of like washed it away. Like, there's some exposition they do heavy. And we told them there's fucking spoilers.
00:19:31
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:19:33
Jo
Yes, there's Superman's clone in this one. Like, we're we're spoiling the shit out of this one. Like, by that time, when they actually told you what happened, I was like, I just assumed that Lex Luthor was smart. Like, I didn't fucking even care.
00:19:46
Jo
Like, oh, he just got in. and Like, oh, yeah, that's right. They didn't really explain how they got in. Oh, now they tell me through exposition. Great. Awesome. You know, Mr. Terrific, not Mr. f Fantastic. My motherfucker. I'm so sorry.
00:19:58
Jo
Mr. Terrific. That was my... Honourability. Now... There is one more in that group that gets added on at the end.
00:20:10
Jo
And this is the reason I wanted you to see the entire fucking movie. Did you see NoHo Hank?
00:20:20
Jo
Oh my God, you didn't see NoHo Hank.
00:20:23
Amelie
ah you Are you for real?
00:20:25
Jo
Anthony Kerrigan's in this movie. Yes, motherfucker.
00:20:27
Amelie
No!
00:20:28
Jo
That's why i was like, and I didn't want to spoil it for you.
00:20:28
Amelie
No!
00:20:31
Jo
Like I'm doing for everyone else. No ho Hank from Barry is in this fucking movie.
00:20:36
Amelie
No!
00:20:37
Jo
Yes. Not no. No ho.
00:20:42
Amelie
Where?
00:20:43
Jo
We have to watch it again.
00:20:43
Amelie
I didn't know this!
00:20:44
Jo
That's it. I'll fly to Prague. I can be there in about 12 hours.
00:20:47
Amelie
Oh, mon Dieu. thought it was a synopsis because I was like, what? Ah, very well. Very good. Yeah.
00:20:54
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:55
Amelie
Okay. So we had a conversation two weeks ago about The Voice, the series, why I like The Voice.
00:21:02
Jo
Yes, the boys.
00:21:02
Amelie
And I'm like, it's really interesting because i really like to see the superhero being bad guys because Superman can be a fucking killer, right?
00:21:13
Amelie
And there is this trailer trailer
00:21:14
Jo
Right.
00:21:16
Amelie
I was really disappointed about the new Captain America with Hulk, Red Hulk. And I'm like, yeah, I watched it.
00:21:23
Jo
Yeah.
00:21:24
Amelie
It's Harrison Ford. He's the president. And he said, how can I trust someone who is more powerful than the American president? Like, you can be like the atomic bomb and stuff.
00:21:34
Amelie
And I'm like, yeah, yeah. It's that guy who is very serious, knows how to play the president, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:21:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:21:40
Amelie
And I watched the trailer and I heard the people watching the movie and it's just like, oh, he's Hulk. And I'm like, oh, come on. And I spoke to you and I say, I would wish to have a movie where they talk about the problem that Superman is really, really strong and it can be a problem, right?
00:21:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:21:57
Amelie
For the safety. And there in the movie, boom, they show Lex Luthor having a conversation in the Patagon. So this is Superman. Superman is a danger.
00:22:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:22:06
Amelie
Superman is an alien.
00:22:06
Jo
He's dangerous.
00:22:07
Amelie
He's not a real American. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. which is really good. Lois Lane, who has an interview with Superman, says, who gave you the right to intervene in Moravia?
00:22:18
Jo
Yeah. Yes.
00:22:22
Amelie
Ah, I'm Superman, I'm the greater good. Yes, but why? Compared to the Justice League, who are like, okay, come and help me save Superman. Whoa, whoa, who are you
00:22:30
Jo
Justice group.
00:22:34
Amelie
Are you telling me you want to take Superman from prison? But he's arrested by the government and we are working with the government.
00:22:44
Amelie
We cannot do that.
00:22:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:22:46
Amelie
Like it's against the law.
00:22:47
Jo
Yeah, I took an oath this green fucking arrow ring.
00:22:47
Amelie
And yeah, yeah.
00:22:51
Jo
Green arrow.
00:22:52
Amelie
So you see the difference and you're like, oh, you know, it's really interesting.
00:22:52
Jo
Green Latin ring. Jesus.
00:22:56
Jo
Yeah. No, and that they they took it more serious. Yeah.
00:22:59
Amelie
Yeah.
00:22:59
Jo
And that goes back to James Gunn.
00:22:59
Amelie
And when she said, yeah. And when she said, hey, you told you the guy. No, it was just a cactus. So you throw a human body on a cactus. Yeah, but you know, it was... no, no. You torture the guy. And it's true. If you, in real life, it would be throw a guy against a cactus.
00:23:16
Amelie
You torture the guy. You fly away and you let it down. Like... It's really interesting. So thought it was that.
00:23:24
Jo
Yeah. No, and and that's that that's a great part. It makes Superman human. And this is where Batman versus Superman fucked up hard. If you actually read the comic book, I don't, where is it?
00:23:33
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:23:35
Jo
Over there. you read the comics, Batman versus Superman, it's fucking dark.
00:23:38
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:23:41
Jo
It is dark and Batman's like, what the actual shit is this? Like we have someone on this planet.
00:23:46
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:23:47
Jo
that can destroy the entire goddamn planet with a sneeze if he really wants to.
00:23:50
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:23:50
Jo
I have to be ready. And so Batman's gearing up to be ready and Superman tries to like, I'm not goingnna spoil that comics to him, but they they do fucking fight in this one.
00:23:52
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:24:00
Jo
It's not the full the movie was shit. Not because the actors, the actors did the best they could with a shit script. That's that's writing again. And this goes back to why this movie works.
00:24:13
Jo
Because is written from a certain point of view and directed by a certain point of view. And that point of view for writer and director are both James Gunn.
00:24:24
Amelie
yeah Yeah, and especially i love the turn of twist
00:24:25
Jo
James Gunn is fucking gold with this. And I'm so glad this one, i am so glad this one is out because people are giving it shit. and It's going to be another DC flop.
00:24:36
Jo
It's killing at the box office right now. And I got a minus critic score. And I'm pretty sure we would just glow fucking our reviews later on. So we're saying this works because it makes Superman a real person with real fucking problems.
00:24:54
Amelie
Lex Luthor entered the Superman palace, I would call it like that, and they found the message.
00:25:00
Jo
Yeah.
00:25:02
Amelie
But the message is failed. You see a part of the message, and they're like, we love you, you're very important to us, we send you to planet Earth, we make some research, they're good people, etc.
00:25:14
Amelie
Do the greater good. And in his head, it's like, daddy, mommy, love me, they wanted me to protect this planet.
00:25:16
Jo
Yeah.
00:25:19
Jo
yeah
00:25:21
Amelie
And Lex Luthor found out the messageurgical message, the complete message is, yes, they're really simple-minded. You can become their chef and become their god, basically, because you're super-power to continue the tradition of Kripton.
00:25:28
Jo
ah
00:25:34
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
00:25:39
Amelie
And I was like, what the fuck?

Importance of Upbringing and Teamwork

00:25:43
Amelie
For a moment, I'm like, no no, no, no, that's a message they created. That's a message they created. And then one the of the heroes was like, no, it's a real message. That's really what they meant.
00:25:53
Amelie
And Superman is like, no, see it's impossible. I thought I was here for the greater of good.
00:25:58
Jo
yeah
00:26:00
Jo
yeah
00:26:00
Amelie
And you have all this question of who I am, am I a good person, etc., etc. And that's beautiful because what they do is pushing the human parents.
00:26:11
Amelie
Okay, they're your parents. You come from this planet, but that planet exploded and is no more.
00:26:17
Jo
Yeah, that's exactly.
00:26:17
Amelie
You're a good man. You could have said, hey, I'm going to roll the planet. And you didn't. You saved everyone and stuff. And you're a good kid. We know you and we're very proud of you. So at the end, you see replaced his parents by the human parents who raised him, gave him love and compassion and stuff like that like And I really like the speech of the dad who's like, it's not the parents to tell to the kids what they're going to do.
00:26:43
Amelie
It's just to love them and to grow them in life. And I'm like, this is really good.
00:26:47
Jo
So they can fuck up their own.
00:26:48
Amelie
But when I saw the message, I'm like, oh, ah yeah.
00:26:48
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. But that's it, man. Like, that's it that that is That is it in a nutshell because you have the, we'll see, the dichotomy of, it's the difference between who you think your birth parents are and who raised you.
00:27:13
Jo
That's what Superman learns. It doesn't matter who fucking gave birth to you.
00:27:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:27:16
Jo
If they didn't raise you, they didn't they're not your parents.
00:27:19
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:27:20
Jo
They're sperm and egg donors at best.
00:27:22
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:27:23
Jo
It's who raised you. And the casting for Clark's mom and dad is fucking perfect. Because we always saw the other movies, Clark's mom and dad look like fucking Clark.
00:27:36
Jo
Like they're not biological related motherfuckers. That's not like, there's always a good, healthy guy, a farm boy. and Like, no, this guy has seen some shit on the farm, you know? And the mom's appropriate age. And she's like, and it's funny.
00:27:48
Jo
And and they they're actually a real couple. they show the couple side of it. It's not the generic mom and dad slide. You know, like, I'm mom, I'm dad, da, da, da.
00:27:53
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:27:56
Jo
And you see this warmth in there. And sometimes it's it's a good, like coming into act three because Superman, okay.
00:27:59
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:28:06
Jo
Has a fight, loses his fight. Bavarian Hammer goes away. and We find out, of course, Bavarian Hammer is actually Lex Luthor's control. It's Alterman, right?
00:28:15
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:28:16
Jo
And then Clark's kind of like back, like, I'm, you know, gets healed up by the super stupid light of a White Riders MacGuffin land. And He then has his normal life for a long bit. His normal life with him and Lois trying to piece it out. And Jimmy Olsen's a player. And it's all it's all goodness, right?
00:28:37
Jo
And then we find out things are happening that Lix Luther just wants to sell his troops. He's basically an evil Tony Stark at this point. He's like, you just, you know, just want to sell fucking protection to the world. And he wants to make money.
00:28:50
Jo
Same time, he's also starting the war to get part of the land for oil or whatever. So all these things are intricate, dot, dot, dot, dot dot dot dot and they build up to it, right?
00:29:02
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:29:02
Jo
And then you're going to notice some some stuff. Like when Lex Luthor's talking, the new ah flag is there because flag was from, you've seen flag before in the, oh, Suicide Squad.
00:29:15
Jo
Different flag now.
00:29:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:29:16
Jo
This flag is played by Frank Grillo. And if you're wondering why that guy looks familiar, he was in fucking Captain America.
00:29:24
Amelie
Oh.
00:29:24
Jo
He was one of the Hydra dudes in Winter Soldier.
00:29:28
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:29:29
Jo
He's also in the Grey and the Purge Anarchy. you know He plays that role really well. And this is what I'm saying. All these people like, man, they look fucking familiar. Why they look so familiar? Because they came from other areas that you absolutely would associate.
00:29:46
Jo
If you're wondering why Hawkgirl looks familiar, like well, she's from Transformers. You know, if you're wondering, or Suscaro, Dora, whatever it's going to be So you see all of these kind of come into play and it's all these people that you really want to see in other movies and they're all in the same fucking movie now.
00:30:04
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:30:05
Jo
It's like, holy shit, these are all like racial, bro. So now I'm like, kill your name 12,000 times or so, sorry. Kill my name later on, it's all good. And you have everyone, Noho Hanks in it.
00:30:19
Jo
Fucking all all of fucking Guardians of the Galaxy is basically in this. Somehow they missed one. don't how they missed one, but they there you go. So that all works together. And then they fight.
00:30:32
Jo
But it's not it's not bullshit fight. its like It's not the, this is the fight to end all fights. This is whatever it is. Superman is showing humanity.
00:30:42
Jo
He doesn't want to kill the big monster because it's just like why don't we not kill this? Why do we just like, he's trying to protect life.
00:30:46
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Study.
00:30:49
Jo
Yeah. and so you're saying this is like a family movie because it's about family.
00:30:56
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:30:56
Jo
Even the little kids holding the sign Superman save us.
00:30:59
Amelie
It's not... It's family friendly. Children can watch it.
00:31:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:03
Amelie
It's not over-sexual. It's not dark.
00:31:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:05
Amelie
It's not complicated speech. It's really easy. It's very colorful. Superman is fun, the dog is fun, you can see it's CGI, it's not perfection, perfection to scare, you know, heaven's a big monster, you can see it's CGI.
00:31:17
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:19
Amelie
And I really like the humor about it. For example, when Superman comes back to his flat and Lois is waiting for him with a cup of tea, they have a conversation and away you see a monster on the sky.
00:31:32
Jo
Getting his ass beat.
00:31:32
Amelie
And you can see with the light, the laser, the Justice League are trying to
00:31:34
Jo
Yes, it's beautiful.
00:31:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:39
Amelie
to take care of it. And she's like, you're not going to hell. They're like, no, no, they're fine. It's just a monster.
00:31:43
Jo
It's this parasite.
00:31:44
Amelie
It's fine.
00:31:44
Jo
Is it imp?
00:31:45
Amelie
It's fine, whatever.
00:31:46
Jo
Yeah, pandimensional imp.
00:31:46
Amelie
And the you can see they take care of it. So it's really interesting because he is not the only hero and they can do without him.
00:31:52
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:53
Amelie
And in his world, there is different kind of hero and say he's a solo and then they're more like, we're with the government, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:32:02
Jo
Whatever a corporation is, yeah.
00:32:04
Amelie
It's interesting to seez that see that, to see these different...
00:32:07
Jo
Yeah, it it it is. And it it's a callback to, I think, Guardian Galaxy 2, where Groot is kind of like playing his music and everyone's fighting behind him because Groot's only like this big and and number two.
00:32:12
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:32:20
Jo
And it's a callback to that where you see the interior world. And again, James Gunn. Why does this work? James Gunn. I would say James Gunn's name 2,000 times in his podcast probably because that's why this works.
00:32:32
Amelie
Yes.
00:32:32
Jo
James Gunn had a vision. He stuck to his guns and he pulled off a brilliant fucking move. This happens because his writing and directing.
00:32:39
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:32:40
Jo
This does not happen. This fucking won't happen with whoever it fucking did the last couple of fucking DC movies. Tell that. Schneider.
00:32:52
Jo
Ugh. can I can't imagine that one. Anyways, you have this where it's the outside world's chaos.
00:32:59
Amelie
Yes.
00:33:00
Jo
And the inside world is this this peace and harmony. Like Groot's playing his music.
00:33:03
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:33:04
Jo
He's dancing around. Sometimes he he has to choke a small rodent. But he's just like dancing and fucking going around. And around him, the world is falling apart. But it's handled. It's handled chaos. And that's the same thing.
00:33:16
Jo
Superman's like, you're like, what the fuck's this guy? Like he's just flying towards a window. What's this creature out there? Some of that. And it is handled. And it adds like mood lighting.
00:33:28
Jo
It really just enhances like, oh, look at the pretty colors.
00:33:28
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:33:31
Jo
Oh, they're getting back together. That's nice. And Lois plays intricate role because when she talks to, like, after Superman turns himself in, warrant for his arrest, he turns himself in. It's like, fine, I'm here.
00:33:48
Jo
Because, you know, Lex Luthor hacks the fucking code and puts it out there through the engineer's work, you know, stuff like that. and you have all of this and Superman still does the right thing.
00:34:01
Jo
He turns himself in.
00:34:02
Amelie
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:34:05
Jo
This is him kind of saying, Lois is right. Maybe I'm not above the government. Maybe I should be like serving. It's the Captain America moment, right?
00:34:11
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:34:12
Jo
And when you're seeing this, you see Lois starting to realize how tough it is to be Superman.
00:34:23
Jo
Because he didn't have to turn himself in. She's like, why are you fucking doing this? He didn't have, but he does. And he gets abducted and tortured by Noho Hank. That's who doing the abduction. Okay.
00:34:35
Jo
The abduction, no. That was absolutely Ultraman. That Lex Luthor, right? But NoHo Hank is the guy who can make his arm into kryptonite.
00:34:45
Amelie
do you want me to see that? Okay.
00:34:48
Jo
Because I was watching and going, holy shit, is that? That looks...
00:34:51
Amelie
How do you...
00:34:52
Jo
Is that NoHo Hank?
00:34:53
Amelie
And he's it?
00:34:55
Jo
Yeah, that's fucking NoHo Hank.
00:34:57
Amelie
Because he's got makeup on! Like, it's an alien!
00:35:00
Jo
Yeah, but he's still got his face.
00:35:00
Amelie
It's just a... I thought he was a black
00:35:04
Jo
No, no. but That would be a different type of make. No, I, not the black one. You're talking about the Ultraman. No, no, that's not Noho Hank. No. No, no, no, no. Noho Hank plays, I forgot the name they give him in this film, but he's the one that does the Kryptonite and then the sun.
00:35:20
Amelie
The Kryptonite...
00:35:22
Jo
Yeah, they mix the sun.
00:35:22
Amelie
In... In... Son...
00:35:23
Jo
He's the elemental one.
00:35:23
Amelie
Yeah! I didn't know it was Norwalk!
00:35:27
Jo
Yeah, that's the whole reason. Yeah, so now, now you know. See, I spoil some shit for you too, motherfucker. Yeah.
00:35:34
Jo
it's It's good.
00:35:35
Amelie
joking is it wait superman twenty actor
00:35:35
Jo
It's good, yeah?
00:35:38
Jo
Yeah, go fucking look it up. No-ho, Hank.
00:35:45
Jo
No-ho, Hank. We're all typing. No-ho, Hank.
00:35:49
Amelie
actor can to see ah
00:35:52
Jo
No-ho, Hank, Superman. No-ho, Hank and Superman. Oh, look. Reddit images all over the place. Oh, look at that. Reddit, Reddit, Reddit. Anthony Kerrigan, born 83. Oh.
00:36:02
Jo
now No for Noah Hank and that ah playing Superman.
00:36:06
Amelie
Where?
00:36:07
Jo
Or in Superman.
00:36:08
Amelie
No, no, no, no, no.
00:36:08
Jo
Noah Hank is... Oh my God, okay.
00:36:11
Amelie
no no no no
00:36:12
Jo
Emily, go on. ah No, go on IMDB. He's in Bill and Ted's Face Music. He is metamorpho in a Superman.
00:36:20
Amelie
MBDB.
00:36:24
Jo
Today, Emily does not believe Joe whatsoever.
00:36:25
Amelie
No.
00:36:29
Amelie
Shut up.
00:36:29
Jo
This is like the one time I told you that chocolate can make you pregnant.
00:36:32
Amelie
Anthony Carrigan.
00:36:35
Amelie
What?
00:36:35
Jo
I don't think chocolate can make you pregnant, but I think I told her that and she played it for like a half a day. and She's like, I don't want no fucking chocolate. God damn, I got three kids already.
00:36:41
Amelie
yeah not triplets thank you very much I'm
00:36:43
Jo
Yeah, see exactly. That's what she said. It's like, no, I don't want the fucking chocolate. I got chocolate. Thanks lot.
00:36:48
Amelie
going to be carrying on I need to do Anthony Carragon and wow direct life
00:36:52
Jo
Anthony Kerrigan. Come on, man. Do you want me to link it to you? Anyways.
00:36:56
Amelie
oh but um
00:36:58
Jo
As Emily...
00:36:59
Amelie
and genetic live
00:37:00
Jo
looks up.
00:37:04
Amelie
I can see the picture. like, no, no, no, no way. way.
00:37:04
Jo
There you go.
00:37:13
Jo
fucking amazing.
00:37:16
Amelie
didn't know.
00:37:17
Jo
I think Anthony Kerrigan our new favorite actor, man.
00:37:17
Amelie
But how did you know? Did you know in a snap of finger seeing the actor or you had to wait ah for?
00:37:26
Jo
i I knew after the second time seeing him. ah Second time he's on camera, i'm like, because the first time like, okay. Because you don't see him He's all kind of down.
00:37:38
Jo
you don't see that much of him.
00:37:39
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:37:40
Jo
And when you actually you see his face, I'm like, oh, we shit, that's no ho Hank. Yeah, I got a stoop. Like, your your very visual memory is, like, fucking excellent. I have a stupid level of facial recognition.
00:37:50
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:37:53
Amelie
That's crazy.
00:37:55
Jo
Yeah.
00:37:55
Amelie
We can roll the world together.
00:37:57
Jo
but I think so, motherfucker. Like, if I can recognize people's faces, like, just by, like, oh, yeah, you're that part. It's, and you memorized it. Oh, fuck yeah. We can do that. So, yeah, NoHoHank, Anthony Kerrigan knocking out of the fucking park. And, again, this could have been, like, a weird moment. It could be a shitty character.
00:38:14
Jo
But because the people playing it, it works. It works. And it works because of the casting, because they know the the thing. Because of James Gunn.
00:38:25
Jo
I told you a thousand fucking times. I'm getting paid a dollar every time I say James Gunn, by the way. Sponsored by James Gunn. There you go. you see this and it's a family it's another family story.
00:38:37
Jo
Why is no ho-hang doing this? Because Luther's got his baby.
00:38:42
Amelie
Yes.
00:38:44
Jo
Luther's got a lot of people in a pocket universe.

Pocket Universe and Political Undertones

00:38:47
Jo
In a universe that exists between two universes. And he's got a lot of people in cage. Apparently he has a lot of ex-girlfriends. Because that's where his ex-girlfriends go.
00:38:54
Amelie
Yeah.
00:38:54
Jo
All in these fucking cages.
00:38:55
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:38:56
Jo
And a couple dudes too. I don't know what the dudes are for. you have all these layers. And they all fucking fit. And the only explanation you got about a pocket universe is like how dangerous it is. There's not like a lot of exposition.
00:39:09
Jo
It's just Mr. Terrific going, holy fucking shit. What an evil asshole. Who would do this? Like he could destroy the fucking earth by being one millime know you know one millisecond off.
00:39:19
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:39:20
Jo
And Luther knows this and he doesn't care. This is where we see the genius. And remember, Luther says brain beats brawn.
00:39:32
Jo
Because he knows all Superman's moves. He's memorized them all. And he's like fifty two a blue alpha, I being blue.
00:39:37
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. yeah
00:39:38
Jo
like the way that Well, last one's um Prince. Sorry, my bad.
00:39:43
Jo
And then, you know, reveal, reveal, reveal, reveal. We see another showdown that Luther is producing in. Definitely not. Okay, what war do you think that is? Is it Ukraine, Russia?
00:39:56
Jo
Because you're talking like this. Or is it Israel-Palestine? what What war do you think that is? I think I'm leaning on the Ukraine-Russian side of things. Just because of the accents myself.
00:40:09
Jo
Yeah. So Superman stops at war beginning. And then
00:40:14
Amelie
I think it's um a mix because you have the Russian accent, which is Moravia, you know, East Europe, not far away from Czech Republic, by the way.
00:40:17
Jo
maybe poor brown kids. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:29
Amelie
And ah you have the brown kid, as I said,
00:40:29
Jo
don't know.
00:40:34
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:35
Amelie
It reminds me more of Palestine. So I'm like, okay, so are we doing a wink-wink to the war happening in the est of the world, of planet Earth?
00:40:46
Jo
Yeah.
00:40:47
Amelie
Maybe. Maybe.
00:40:49
Jo
Maybe. Yeah, he got some shit for that, by the way.
00:40:50
Amelie
Yeah.
00:40:52
Jo
The movie does get shit with that. They're like, oh, he's making a political statement. i'm like, believe it or not, all art makes political statements.
00:40:56
Amelie
ah
00:40:59
Jo
It's just how you interpret it is up to you.
00:40:59
Amelie
Yeah.
00:41:02
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:41:02
Jo
And that's the thing. It could be, you know, shit. The the world's been in war since.
00:41:09
Jo
I haven't found a time yet. We haven't been in war yet.
00:41:11
Amelie
ah years and No, it's really well done because Moravia just want to invade other country and at the same time they don't have guns or anything and can make think about Palestine.
00:41:14
Jo
Yeah.
00:41:19
Jo
Yeah, the Jed, Jed, Jed, Jed. They're all made up names.
00:41:26
Amelie
Free of interpretation, I would say.
00:41:28
Jo
No, ah you know what? Honestly, I'll give you this interpretation.
00:41:29
Amelie
Free of interpretation. Yeah.
00:41:32
Jo
That's what made me think of. Fucking Germany blitzing Poland.
00:41:35
Amelie
Yeah.
00:41:36
Jo
A bunch of fucking troops at the border against like fucking farmers.
00:41:40
Amelie
Yeah.
00:41:41
Jo
And the rest of the world's like, yeah, we'll get into it in a minute. Sorry. Oh, I got tie my shoe here. Oh, Poland's gone. What the fuck happened, man? We said we had your back.
00:41:48
Amelie
Oh, and the French came and was oh, oh, oh, naughty, naughty.
00:41:52
Jo
Yeah, and which was funny because they were fucking next.
00:41:52
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:41:56
Jo
um But that's what it kind of made me feel like. It was like the whole border standoff and like Superman, Superman. And this is where we find out, does Superman send his dog to save these crypto? Does crypto go save these guys?
00:42:08
Jo
And crypto is a bit of a bitch, but a fun one.
00:42:09
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:12
Jo
It's an unruly dog, but dog it's lovable. is that Is that like a thing? Yeah.
00:42:17
Amelie
It was strange for me because used to watch the cartoon Crypto in the 2000 and Crypto is really smart.
00:42:21
Jo
Oh yeah, what's the fucking car? Yeah.
00:42:24
Amelie
And then you have this Crypto is like completely crazy and doesn't speak and I'm like, oh, he's funny, funny, funny.
00:42:30
Jo
Yeah, it doesn't speak yet.
00:42:32
Amelie
But you can see, yeah, the thing is Crypto, the dog, is really really CGI like you have no scene when you see just a dog it's a really CGI dog and I'm like ahhhh yeah go ahead
00:42:47
Jo
I'm going blow your mind. I'm going to blow your mind away. that You know how Rocket Raccoon is Bradley Cooper?
00:42:58
Amelie
yes uh huh yeah
00:42:59
Jo
ah Bradley Cooper is in this movie. It Doral, though. he's not He's not the fucking dog. The dog is actually Vin Diesel.
00:43:08
Jo
In a ah light suit. You know how they put the suits on to map your body? Yeah. Now I'm fucking with you. I am complete i think it's CGI, too. Yeah, I think it's just CGI.
00:43:18
Amelie
But you see one guy who is very famous, so John Cena.
00:43:22
Jo
yeah Yeah, John. Oh, yeah.
00:43:23
Amelie
John Cena.
00:43:24
Jo
He plays the fucking... that's a car there there's one that He brings in... is that James Gunn's property? Is that Peacemaker? Because Peacemaker is what Cena comes in as a TV show, right?
00:43:34
Amelie
Yeah.
00:43:34
Jo
And I don't know who writes for Peacemaker. Let me see. I just need to pop this up. Yeah. Peacemaker, John Cena, pops up into Superman on the TV.
00:43:43
Amelie
Yeah, very quickly. But I saw him.
00:43:44
Jo
And it's funny.
00:43:45
Amelie
I had a smile. I had a smile.
00:43:48
Jo
It's funny as fuck because that is actually a nod to the Suicide Squad. And it is... Yeah, I don't... It doesn't really say craor james creator James Gunn.
00:44:00
Jo
So Gunn creates that too. It's a fucking nod in the same

Entertainment Value and Superman's Relatability

00:44:04
Jo
DCU. I love it.
00:44:04
Amelie
Yeah.
00:44:06
Jo
Yeah, I forgot. That's the thing. I forgot. There's so many great small moments like that. I forgot them all.
00:44:10
Amelie
Yeah.
00:44:11
Jo
This is actually, honest to God, rewatchable movie because it's fun. You can watch it every year. It's new Harry Potter. Rewatch it every year.
00:44:17
Amelie
Yeah. And it's easy to watch.
00:44:18
Jo
Might as well.
00:44:19
Amelie
Like it's two hours, but it goes very fast. And there is no long scene.
00:44:21
Jo
Quick.
00:44:24
Amelie
You don't want to really, really good.
00:44:24
Jo
No. Fast forward, no.
00:44:27
Amelie
No.
00:44:27
Jo
No, it's not fucking Dune.
00:44:27
Amelie
It makes every sense. Every scene, every character, every every dialogue, every situation makes sense.
00:44:35
Jo
Yeah, it's and it's tight it's tight. It's good. It's well edited, well acted. The CGI never made me cringe. i was into it.
00:44:43
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:44:45
Jo
And it was honestly the best DC movie I've seen in this fucking century, probably, honestly.
00:44:53
Amelie
Yeah.
00:44:54
Jo
like like i kind of when When did Christian Bales come out? like the Early 2000s, I think.
00:44:59
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:45:00
Jo
So at least two decades or so. Yeah.
00:45:02
Amelie
Yeah.
00:45:04
Jo
Yeah, it's a matter of like, no, asshole. It came on 2000. Fuck off. I don't have the internet in front of me, do I? No, well I kind of do, but you know what I mean? And all these little things. When she's taking the selfies, when Eve is taking these selfies, and she looks like the ditzy girl, and she's playing the ditzy girl up, it's all fucking espionage.
00:45:15
Amelie
Yes. Uh-huh. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:45:23
Jo
It's brilliantly set up.
00:45:24
Amelie
Yeah.
00:45:25
Jo
It's brilliantly set up. And you see all these things. And then we see the recognition that Superman comes to. i can't be at all places at the same time.
00:45:35
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:45:36
Jo
Those Justice Gang people, they have their roles and damn it, we can work together.
00:45:44
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:45:45
Jo
They're no longer defend friendly neighborhood Spider-Man types. They're they're so bigger.
00:45:48
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:45:50
Jo
And so I think that scene was really well done when the Justice gang comes in and stops the war. Stops the war. And, by the way, spoiler alert, drops the president from like a billion feet in the air.
00:46:07
Amelie
and
00:46:08
Jo
Splits the fucker. I know. like This is the DCU that's like, no, we kill fucking people.
00:46:13
Amelie
yeah but there is somebody who get killed in front of a superman the guy who helped is like no it's okay don't give up superman baba and he died and I'm like oh there's dead yeah uh huh
00:46:14
Jo
was like,
00:46:17
Jo
Yeah, Superman was...
00:46:22
Jo
Yeah. Oh, yeah. that the the I gave you falafel. It's fine. but and And they was just killing a fucking random dude. Like, fuck, man. That was just... It's like killing the taxi driver on Deadpool.
00:46:33
Jo
It's like some... Like, actually, he is part of the show now, but... You have all of these things wrapping up into when they do violence. It's assumed. you you hear You see the shot. You hear the shot.
00:46:48
Jo
You see the president wiping blood off or getting blood on of his fucking face, but you don't see the head blow up.
00:46:54
Amelie
Correct, yes.
00:46:55
Jo
It's cartoon violence. I think that would be correct. you know Superman's beating the shit out out of Ultraman and the eye-burning thing, but it's cartoony. I mean, there there's there is blood, yes, but no one's like severely injured, killed.
00:47:10
Jo
i mean, yeah, okay, hold on.
00:47:11
Amelie
Yeah, it's peep, path, poof, and end of the story.
00:47:14
Jo
Yeah, you see the aftermath of it. you You see Superman getting attacked by a bunch of Lex Luthor people. These are not robots, by the way. These are actual fucking people in suits.
00:47:23
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:47:23
Jo
And Superman destroys them.
00:47:26
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:47:26
Jo
He kills them all.
00:47:29
Jo
Does he have to? i don't know. don't know.
00:47:34
Amelie
well What makes me think during the cinema, I don't know for you, but when there is a scene with the buildings who just collapse and everything, I just thought about 9-11.
00:47:43
Jo
Yeah.
00:47:44
Amelie
I was like, bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo.
00:47:45
Jo
Me too. Me too. Yeah.
00:47:49
Amelie
Especially the...
00:47:50
Amelie
the scene with the car, the lady who's tried to to start the car and you see all the smoke, I'm like, oh
00:47:50
Jo
Yeah.
00:47:57
Jo
Yeah.
00:47:59
Amelie
I don't want you to live in this city, you know.
00:48:02
Amelie
Metropolis with all the bad things. Oh, yeah.
00:48:02
Jo
Yeah, and that's like Metropolis has always been New York, you know?
00:48:06
Jo
that That's exactly it.
00:48:10
Jo
That's exactly it. Yeah, it it was it hit home too. I'm like, oh, fuck, man. thats Yeah, there's dark fucking moments. But there's moments of comedy.
00:48:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:48:18
Jo
There's moments of comedy.
00:48:18
Amelie
Yeah.
00:48:18
Jo
There's moments of comedy.
00:48:19
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:48:20
Jo
And you see Superman does have limits.
00:48:22
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:48:23
Jo
Or he's trying to like not get a dog stepped on. He's like, fuck, man. Or he's you know doing all these limit things. So overall, now that we spoiled the shit out of it, we do have one end...
00:48:37
Jo
Two things happen the end.
00:48:39
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:48:39
Jo
Alan's character of the robot number whatever, number four. He's like, oh, that's names.
00:48:43
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:48:45
Jo
Like, yeah, so is Gary. So it's like the comedic moments of that that pop out. But we also find out where crypto comes from.
00:49:00
Jo
Did you see the end credits or no?
00:49:02
Amelie
Yes.
00:49:04
Jo
Okay. So we see the introduction of Supergirl.
00:49:07
Amelie
Yes. I'm so super gonna laugh. I laugh too.
00:49:10
Jo
Yeah, because she's a hot mess. She's a hot fucking mess when she comes in.
00:49:12
Amelie
Yeah. Hey, how are you?
00:49:13
Jo
She's drunk.
00:49:14
Amelie
Yeah,
00:49:15
Jo
It's like, ah, yeah. It's like she's getting attacked by her dog. Dog's like pounding her head against her.
00:49:18
Amelie
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. um
00:49:21
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, and it and it goes into Supergirl is not perfect.
00:49:27
Amelie
yeah
00:49:28
Jo
Superman is a good person, but not perfect. And Lois Lane loves her. I don't think Lois actually knew how much Superman did until she tried to save him Mr. Terrific. And she's like, holy shit.
00:49:40
Jo
This is actually bad. Oh, I'm going to just kick my camera. But this is bad 100%.
00:49:42
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:49:44
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:49:45
Jo
And all these non-perfect people come together. And they form a great fucking movie.
00:49:52
Amelie
Yes.
00:49:53
Jo
Because if Superman's perfect, no one gives a shit.
00:49:56
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:49:57
Jo
like What problem does Superman have?
00:49:59
Amelie
And it's not dark. It's not dark. Like, it's colorful.
00:50:01
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:02
Amelie
It's cartoonish. It's funny. It's really easy to watch. Two hours, boom, the story is really well done. And ah you have a lovely story.
00:50:09
Jo
Yep.
00:50:12
Amelie
The story is interesting.
00:50:12
Jo
It is. It really is. It's the best Superman since the first one. Meaning the Chris Reeves one.
00:50:17
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:50:19
Jo
It really is. and It reminds me of the Chris Reeves one in such a good way.
00:50:23
Amelie
Yeah.
00:50:23
Jo
Not because they they didn't redo the story.
00:50:26
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:50:26
Jo
They didn't do like the fucking first reboot. to No, they told their own story, but it did so in a fucking PG 13 way and they made it work.

James Gunn's Creative Success

00:50:34
Amelie
And I really like you watch it, you know, you know the the palace, what it is. If you watch the first three, you see the parents, you know he's from, you just have, okay, so this is what's going on.
00:50:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:47
Amelie
30 years ago, voila. 30 minutes ago, voila. Three months ago, voila. And now he's going to arrive. Boom, he arrives, bang, stop.
00:50:54
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:55
Amelie
The thing with new is Superman, with Superman, He's hurt. And you can see he's really not fine. And it's really... How can I say it?
00:51:06
Amelie
It's not a routine to see Superman be like, I'm in pain.
00:51:09
Jo
Yeah, all beat up and shit.
00:51:10
Amelie
Normally it's boom, boom, boom. I don't care. like This is the bullet you threw at me.
00:51:14
Jo
Yeah.
00:51:15
Amelie
oh You know I mean? ah No, he needs a son. He has robots, etc. He's not perfect, perfect. And he's Superman. Superman is not perfect.
00:51:27
Jo
Yeah. Superman is not perfect, and that's what makes the movie.
00:51:31
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:51:31
Jo
It really does. Between that and... You're you're right, the tone. It's a... Like I said before, James Gunn. Goddamn, I'm good. James Gunn. A, thanks for the movie.
00:51:43
Jo
I love it. ah B, but man, man. yeah Fuck. Fuck, man. That's some talent right there. James Gunn really doing comic books right now. It's because of him.
00:51:56
Jo
It's because of what he does in the movie or to the movie.
00:51:57
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:51:59
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:52:00
Jo
And... That goes down from the writing to the set of directions he gives to whatever he cuts out to the actors themselves.
00:52:07
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:52:12
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:52:14
Jo
That is all James Gunn.
00:52:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:52:16
Jo
And that creative choice, it's really a creative fucking vision and it works well. It's like the first Iron Man. That works because of the creative vision. The first Iron Man could have failed and we wouldn't have any of the Marvel movies.
00:52:31
Jo
I can't believe DC tried 14 fucking times to launch a franchise. But it might be their fucking time now. Or they'll fuck it up next movie. Who knows? I don't know. You never know.
00:52:43
Amelie
But when you were when you watch, for example, Iron Man, the first one, I rewatched Iron Man not long time ago.
00:52:43
Jo
DC TV properties are hot, at least.
00:52:50
Jo
Yeah.
00:52:50
Amelie
I'm like, it's really good. I look at the two main characters, I'm like, really, really good. Makes sense, realistic, fun, and everything.
00:52:55
Jo
Yeah.
00:52:57
Amelie
And Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man.
00:53:00
Jo
is Tony Stark and Jon Favreau has, like Favreau was on fire for those Marvel and Favreau's on fire for Disney.
00:53:00
Amelie
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Done.
00:53:05
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:53:07
Jo
Favreau did the Iron Man for Marvel and he did ah bape Baby Yoda. He did the Mandalorian for fucking Disney Star Wars properties. That's another one. Like James Gunn, like they have this great vision.
00:53:20
Jo
They love the comic books growing up.
00:53:20
Amelie
Yeah.
00:53:22
Jo
They have the fucking vision. They got the talent. It's like seeing Nick Frost do do something. like The vision and talent is there. I want to see more of Nick Frost, by the way. But yeah, it happens because of this.
00:53:35
Jo
So overall, we won't give scores out. And if we told you we'll spoil the shit out it, we pretty much covered everything.
00:53:41
Amelie
Yeah. True.
00:53:44
Jo
We covered everything. um Do you, maybe because I just don't remember. you Do you remember what happens to the the clone? Does he?
00:53:54
Amelie
He's dead. He's dead because there's black hole and Superman grabbing and there's a thing passed like that, bang, and he's taken by by the black hole, so he's dead.
00:53:55
Jo
He's dead. He died dead. Okay. He died.
00:54:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:54:07
Jo
and Okay. He's dead. Or is he going to come back as Bizarro Superman? Touched by the black hole.
00:54:14
Amelie
We don't know. We don't know.
00:54:16
Jo
I know.
00:54:17
Amelie
There is Supergirl. We know there is other justice.
00:54:20
Jo
There's a Supergirl movie coming out, by the way.
00:54:22
Amelie
Oh.
00:54:23
Amelie
Oh.
00:54:23
Jo
I think it's...
00:54:24
Jo
Did I just say that out loud? Okay. ah Don't quote me on this. and I'm sorry if I couldn't say this before.
00:54:29
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:54:31
Jo
Fuck me. Let me go... Do i had have to edit my own show up? Hold on. Let me see. Hold on. Before I fucking say anything else.
00:54:43
Jo
Okay. its it Thank you. Yeah, 2026. It's coming out next year. There you go.
00:54:48
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:54:49
Jo
Sorry. That's one of those things like, could I say this? I'm pretty sure it's been announced for a fucking while ago.
00:54:56
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Phew, thank God. All right. So yeah, there's a Supergirl movie coming out and I want to see it. i think what Marvel gets wrong is the preachy bullshit.
00:55:09
Jo
Like, God damn it.
00:55:14
Jo
miss marvel first one was great the second one was like what the fuck we doing they're like well i didn't even watch the second one don't think the next first one is okay didn't watch the second one there was that one moment and avengers end game where all the women band together because the only women can band together and help out the world or some shit it felt forced and it was not needed it like oh i get it they didn't have to like make a point of it though they like oh okay
00:55:31
Amelie
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:36
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it was too on the nose. I watched it and I'm like...
00:55:39
Jo
Yeah, it's two on the nose. Where Supergirl looks like a little bit of hot mess in this movie. And she's going to have a character arc.
00:55:50
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:55:51
Jo
you know, if that's how you make a character arc. You can't start perfect and be perfect. There's no fucking arc.
00:55:54
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:55:55
Jo
No one cares. You have to go like, holy shit, how is this person going to be Supergirl?
00:55:56
Amelie
Yeah.
00:56:00
Amelie
Supergirl!
00:56:01
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. Which you are, young lady. So all this and more, we talked about a lot. Did you like the movie? Honestly, we won't do any ratings, but did you like the movie? I'm guessing yes, right?
00:56:11
Amelie
Yes, yes, yes, I did.
00:56:12
Jo
Yeah, you're like you couldn't wait to talk about it, man.
00:56:14
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:16
Jo
Me neither. This is special Streaming Demons just to talk about this movie. And we spoil the shit out of it.
00:56:21
Amelie
Oh, yeah.
00:56:21
Jo
We usually don't spoil things unless we're doing a review. Like Barry will do it bit by bit, but Barry's been out for a while.
00:56:25
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:56:27
Jo
ah Next movie thing, I believe, other than we're going back to Barry, of course, you mentioned something you wanted to do about are favorite movie that bombed.
00:56:41
Amelie
Yes, so I would like to to do a special podcast about movies who were a complete flop at the cinema when they came to theater.
00:56:41
Jo
Yeah.
00:56:50
Jo
Yep.
00:56:52
Amelie
But years later, for you, it's the best movie. It's a really good movie. All movies who were considered really bad, who know what does is a classic. For example, my favorite movie,
00:57:06
Amelie
And it was really considered as a flop for many, many years. People were like, uh, sitting it as an example.
00:57:11
Jo
Oh, I know this
00:57:17
Amelie
And, uh, now I'm a woman. I'm a 35 women, years old and woman who watch movie in English, who understand everything, who is a cinephile and yada, yada, yada, who watch a lot of garbage.
00:57:26
Jo
one.
00:57:28
Amelie
just So, and hit movie who are really shitty. When I rewatched that movie, I was like, what? Okay. Maybe, one or two cut yeah, sure, maybe that scene, why not?
00:57:37
Jo
yeah
00:57:41
Amelie
And i think it should have a better credit and I forget the name of the movie.
00:57:51
Jo
Don't say it. don't That's okay. Don't say the name. i know I know the name. I can help you out, but I'm not going to.
00:57:54
Amelie
Uh-huh.
00:57:55
Jo
We'll save that name for next time.
00:57:55
Amelie
Yeah.
00:57:57
Jo
We're going to save it for next time because I have a movie, too, that was a critical flop, basak box office flop.
00:57:57
Amelie
Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh-huh.
00:58:05
Amelie
Uh-huh.
00:58:06
Jo
I think I've watched a bazillion times, but it's a, it's a fucking flop.
00:58:11
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:58:12
Jo
It makes me happy because, and I won't say the movie, but that's our next thing.
00:58:14
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:58:17
Jo
We're talking about movies that flopped that make us happy.
00:58:20
Amelie
Yeah.
00:58:21
Jo
And we were running what your movie that flopped out. So America or global, whatever going to be team America. Fuck. Yeah. Tell us what movie that fucking flopped. But you're like, this is Kino.
00:58:30
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:58:31
Jo
This is my jam.
00:58:31
Amelie
Yeah.
00:58:32
Jo
We all have one.
00:58:32
Amelie
Yeah.
00:58:32
Jo
We all have that shameful thing. We all have that guilty pleasure. You know, sometimes there's music, sometimes there's movies, sometimes there's TV shows. so It's all good. So hope you liked our spoil-rific Superman.
00:58:46
Jo
Fucking go. if you haven't seen it, ah well, too late now. We just totally have him in it, I guess. So I guess you should have seen it beforehand. But go see it again. Fuck it. I'm going to I will see this movie again. I really will.
00:58:57
Amelie
Me too.
00:58:58
Jo
Oh, absolutely fucking gross. See this again. All right. On behalf of myself, Joe, and my special guest, Amelie, we bid you good day. Bye, y'all.
00:59:09
Jo
da da
00:59:09
Amelie
Bye-bye!
00:59:11
Jo
What? i hear a cat. I hear a cat, motherfucker. Yeah.