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Barry S1E8: Know Your Truth – Breaking Bonds, Breaking Barry
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In this episode of Streamin’ Demons, Jo and Amelie break down Barry Season 1, Episode 8: “Know Your Truth.” After the airstrip ambush, Barry’s world spirals—he saves Fuches, ditches him for good, and tries to lay low. But guilt, duty, and emotional rot keep pulling him back in.
This week’s discussion mixes sharp analysis with real-life parallels. Jo reflects on infidelity, trust, and freedom, while Amelie shares stories from past relationships, including the time an ex stalked her inbox and Facebook, fueling a deeper chat about trust, control, and boundaries. Jo explores the emotional weight of cutting ties—what it takes to step away from toxic people, even when it’s messy. As Barry walks the line between redemption and destruction, Jo and Amelie examine how personal pain shows up in performance, relationships, and yes—even hit jobs.
There’s blood, acting, betrayal, and existential dread—what more could you want?
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🔑 Key Moments & Timestamps
- 00:01–00:48 – Opening thoughts: grief, purpose, and Barry’s unraveling
- 01:04–02:10 – The Jason masked Chechen: torture games begin
- 03:09–04:05 – Barry turns on the violence to rescue Fuches
- 04:45–05:38 – The goodbye to Fuches—final or fakeout?
- 06:57–09:06 – Digital ghosts: exes, inboxes & trust issues
- 13:22–15:01 – Beachfront Barry: the illusion of peace
- 33:25–34:35 – Moss finds the Facebook fundraiser—clues start clicking
- 35:43–38:04 – Shotgun vs silencer: how calculated is Barry now?
- 39:11–40:21 – Final showdown vibes—who’s on the hit list?
- 43:42–45:09 – Hollywood dreams vs real trauma (Sally, Gene, everyone’s faking something)
- 50:19–52:18 – Side characters matter: life outside Barry’s drama
- 56:00–57:21 – Jo & Amelie’s relationship talk—boundaries, breakups & becoming
- 58:10–59:07 – Barry's next-level calculating plan, tease for next podcast (Bruce Campbell!), outro
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Transcript
00:00:01
Jo
Hey everyone, Joe here with Emily once again today. Ooh, know your truth. You can't handle it, but know it or knows it.
00:00:12
Jo
Something like that. All this more on this stream and demons. Ariel, we're back. So, I'm like, gonna practice music. So this is our last episode for Barry series or season one, depending what part of the country or continent you're in or world, I guess, whatever.
00:00:28
Jo
And this is Know Your Truth. We went through Barry walking in accidentally into an acting class following a hit in, just being like the robot who you want me to kill, yeah, whatever, not having a lot in life to do, to really connecting with his emotions through acting, which I think is a great...
00:00:47
Jo
way to demonstrate the positivities of acting and not just in negative parts of l a and stuff like that. but you have this episode, Barry comes home to Fuchs and knocks him the fuck out.
00:01:04
Jo
Dot, dot, dot, hello, pop.
00:01:05
Amelie
Yeah. Well deserved. Well deserved.
00:01:08
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of that is like, you know, I just killed him. Even if he didn't, even Barry didn't kill Chris at that point, Fuchs still deserved to be fucking hit.
00:01:19
Jo
I mean, the airstrip, what the shit? of Starting a drug war? Fuchs does all this bullshit. Fuchs starts a drug war. Fuchs gets Barry almost killed multiple fucking times.
00:01:33
Jo
Fuchs causes Barry indirectly to kill Chris. Fuchs causes Taylor's death. Fuchs causes a bunch of shit. And later on, we'll see one more thing that Fuchs causes today.
00:01:47
Jo
So like the agent of chaos is Fuchs, basically. and like Just all these things that will be there. So we start out heavy and then Barry's just kind of like, it's fucking over.
00:02:01
Jo
And we don't see Barry again for a while. He just goes off to the beach and fucks off. you know I was like, get the fuck on this plane, get the fuck on my, and i was like, I'm going to take a, I'm taking a breather right now.
00:02:07
Amelie
Correct, yeah.
00:02:13
Jo
I'm taking a fucking breather right now.
00:02:16
Amelie
Yeah, and especially this episode is very different because since the last episode we shifted in a different dimension.
00:02:16
Jo
And then, yeah.
00:02:27
Amelie
The first episodes of this series was really goofy, really funny, really SNL kind of vibe.
00:02:27
Jo
Yeah.
00:02:34
Jo
Yeah.
00:02:34
Amelie
And then after the murder of his best friend of his friend sorry from the marine the temple shift we don't have the funny goofy body we have the top barry especially he that he when he's on the beach in the talking to an actor haha haha he don't he don't he don't he don't he don't
00:02:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:02:55
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. And that that's kind of it's kind of it with this. And you you see Fuchs is kind of like, you know what, fuck this. Barry wants out. I'll give him a permanent out. And Fuchs dumbly goes.
00:03:09
Jo
Dumbly goes to fucking Chechens. And the church was like, yeah, yeah, great. And they fucking just beat the shootout on time to a chair. And then they have Vasha's twin, Ruslan, comes in. He's like, he's making a manic. He's making the whole fucking thing. He's he's got like carpenters. Like, look, I found this thing. And like, whatever the fucking woodworking book is like, oh, my dad used have those woodworking books.
00:03:35
Jo
And he's just going to make a big production out of slowly killing Fuchs. Slowly killing Fuchs.
00:03:41
Amelie
hey Yeah, so we see one of the mafia say, look, they're torturing somebody, he's going to be in pieces now. And when you open the door, you go and you see that he's doing something in wood.
00:03:49
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:53
Amelie
What are you doing? Well, I was not going from that, from Chichen It with that, so I do it here. You know, a very good wood, and this is my plan and stuff.
00:03:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:00
Amelie
And I'm like, this is the plan.
00:04:01
Jo
The hockey mask. He's got like a Jason mask on to fucking do it.
00:04:05
Amelie
Like this is so fun and I like the verse here. Just take a gun and bang dead. Like come on. Yeah.
00:04:12
Jo
And you see it, and he just takes the gun. He's like, fine, I'll do it. he takes the gun, and he goes, bam! And you see their bang, and you see him freeze.
00:04:24
Jo
And then you see the camera panning, and his back of his is blowing off.
00:04:24
Amelie
Yeah.
00:04:27
Jo
You're thinking, did the fucking gun misfire? But the gun didn't misfire because there's nothing in his face.
00:04:32
Amelie
yeah
00:04:34
Jo
And no, and all of sudden, he starts doing this. He starts aiming the gun at people because he's fucking brain dead at this point. And he sits in the chair and he ends in the chair, right? And then he goes, dot, dot.
00:04:44
Jo
And you see from the window's bandage that Barry's just picking him off to save Fuchs.
00:04:50
Amelie
Out of nowhere. Out of nowhere.
00:04:51
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. Barry does a tactical strike on the house to save Fuchs' life.
00:04:56
Amelie
Yeah.
00:04:58
Jo
And Fuchs was going to kill him. So Fuchs is like, i don't know.
00:05:01
Amelie
Yeah.
00:05:03
Jo
Barry does an extra and saves Fuchs, gets him the fuck out and then drives him to the airport, really telling him to get the fuck out.
00:05:12
Amelie
I think it's an interesting scene because he's not going to kill Fuchs because Fuchs is like an uncle for him. So he's like, look, you're a part of my life.
00:05:18
Jo
yeah
00:05:20
Amelie
I accept it. You are a good friend. You are helping me out, etc. You are linked to my dad, my family, blah, blah, blah. We have a backstory. Fair enough. Now, here's the airport. You fuck off.
00:05:31
Jo
yeah
00:05:31
Amelie
LA, it's me. I'm going to become an actor. I'm going to work. Oh, it's not going to work. Shut the fuck up.
00:05:35
Jo
Take all the money.
00:05:36
Amelie
You were in my life.
00:05:36
Jo
Get the fuck out.
00:05:38
Amelie
Just get the fuck out. We don't.
00:05:39
Jo
Yeah.
00:05:40
Amelie
And that's interesting because in the adult life, you can have friends. For 15, 25 years, they are part of your life. They were very important. They maybe helped you and everything. But there is sometimes when they become toxic, when something is too much, you have to say goodbye.
00:05:57
Jo
Yeah.
00:05:58
Amelie
And seeing Barry said, fuck off. Like, I could kill you if I want to. You know that. So just fuck off. And disappeared.
00:06:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:07
Amelie
And voila. Thank you for what you need, Barry.
00:06:08
Jo
And he gives all the money. like He tells Barry to fuck up and gives him all the fucking money.
00:06:14
Amelie
Yes.
00:06:15
Jo
He didn't even keep... like That's just Barry.
00:06:15
Amelie
Yes.
00:06:16
Jo
didn't give a shit the money. it's like, I'll make some of own.
00:06:17
Amelie
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:20
Amelie
Here we and we are. Boom. Go. And there's a police coming up. And it's like, go, go. You take your paper, you move. Sir, I will ask you to move or I will arrest you.
00:06:20
Jo
That's not based on killing people.
00:06:29
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:31
Amelie
Thank you. Bye. Cluck, cluck. Whom it goes.
00:06:33
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:33
Amelie
And I think it's a fantastic breakup. I saved your life. Now I'll take you. You're not my guilt. This is the airport. This is the money. Bye.
00:06:44
Amelie
We're done.
00:06:45
Jo
Yeah. Bye, we're done. And unfortunately, much like Sid and Nancy, Nancy being fucking Fuchs, that bitch come back.
00:06:57
Jo
The bitch come back.
00:06:57
Amelie
Oh well, all the eggs come back.
00:06:57
Jo
Always come back.
00:07:00
Amelie
yeah They they did very bad, they talk sick, and always at 3am in the morning you receive the message. Hey, are you up?
00:07:07
Jo
Yep. There are.
00:07:09
Amelie
Or 15 years after leaving high school, you have the little SMS like, Hey, hello, how are you? have you been?
00:07:19
Jo
If I get that, I'll be surprised because I don't know any motherfucker has my phone number from high school. One. Okay, one actually doesn't my phone number.
00:07:26
Amelie
Facebook. Facebook dude.
00:07:28
Amelie
Facebook.
00:07:28
Jo
I'm getting back on Facebook.
00:07:29
Jo
It's weird.
00:07:30
Amelie
Hello. How are you? Who the fuck are you, Paul Anand? Who are you? Who you? Paul Anand. Oh my God.
00:07:35
Jo
Yeah.
00:07:36
Amelie
Oh my God. Oh my God. He's bald. And now fat.
00:07:40
Jo
It's revenge. it should be revenge book, basically. So you you see this.
00:07:43
Amelie
Do you remember when you dumped me in photos of McDonald's and said i was too ugly for your MySpace?
00:07:44
Jo
this Yeah.
00:07:47
Jo
Wow. Jesus Christ.
00:07:56
Amelie
Accounts. Well, since that day, I'm doing great. I think it was a good idea to dump me. Bye. Bye. What do you say to these people? What do you say when they come back?
00:08:06
Jo
Do you need talk about something? Do need to talk about some motherfucker dumping in front of McDonald's?
00:08:08
Amelie
No. For an American,
00:08:14
Jo
that That happened then, huh?
00:08:14
Amelie
For European, probably.
00:08:16
Jo
Oh, shit. Wait, they said you were ugly?
00:08:18
Amelie
and from
00:08:21
Jo
Oh my God, really?
00:08:27
Jo
I'm so sorry. my My brain's breaking. You know you're not ugly, right? You know this.
00:08:32
Amelie
so an american can no so you feeling for
00:08:35
Jo
but can For a European, fuck off. What was Simca say? like In America, I'm a nine. In Slovakia, I'm like a seven. That's just what she was saying about herself.
00:08:43
Amelie
No, no, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah, it's true. I believe, I believe, no, no, no, no.
00:08:46
Jo
That's bullshit, though.
00:08:48
Amelie
I believe that say your attractiveness can change from a country to another because depends on your skin, color, how you look, etc.
00:08:54
Jo
Jesus Christ.
00:08:57
Amelie
Yeah, it's universal. So yeah, in America, very hot, but in France, I'm just, I'm too white and I'm,
00:09:04
Jo
Okay, because the the the got it because the aesthetics of the whiteness. That's just fucking weird, man. I'm so sorry.
00:09:11
Amelie
I'm white like an ass and I'm skinny like a skeleton and I'm too long and the very attractive woman in France are often 1.50, 1.60 max with good ass.
00:09:15
Jo
This is reflective.
00:09:27
Amelie
I'm not voluptuous. I look like a sad, sick cow. Yes, dude.
00:09:33
Jo
All this and more on holy shit depression.
00:09:37
Amelie
ah Yeah, yeah.
00:09:37
Jo
On this episode of depression.
00:09:38
Amelie
So, if you're like me, skinny, and why is that an ass? Well, I'd advise you to go to America because in America everybody is really really fat so when they see you they like, oh my goodness!
00:09:48
Jo
but now i'm like im go Come on, come on, come on.
00:09:50
Amelie
Oh! Oh! Oh my goodness!
00:09:52
Jo
You can't trash a goddamn country like that, sincerely. Come on, of what just said. Think through. Think through. You just trashed an entire fucking country.
00:10:00
Amelie
Yes, I know.
00:10:01
Jo
You said everyone in America is is fat. That's not true.
00:10:03
Amelie
No, you're
00:10:04
Jo
I'm American. Am I fat? Am I?
00:10:07
Amelie
not.
00:10:08
Jo
Okay, there we go. Yeah, like welcome to everyone being pissed at our show.
00:10:15
Jo
Today's, you know, whatever. But yeah, back to back to Barry. When we're doing this, we we see that Fuchs is toxic.
00:10:26
Jo
We've seen Fuchs was toxic basically from the first episode. We've seen that Fuchs is just toxic. And we're kind of like, yeah, finally, fucking Barry, get your life into order. Get the fuck out That's what Taylor has told him to Taylor told him to kill him.
00:10:41
Jo
But dump him. Dump him. And we finally see this. We finally see him dumping Fuchs, which is amazing. but But we also see, and I think like I said this last episode, we see the cops coming into oblivions and then then they play the CD. And that was the last episode. I messed it up on that one.
00:11:05
Jo
But we see the cops coming by and NoHoHank finds the crime boss dead. So like, and that's he's like having his tea trays walking through nice little yeah yeah and And it's,
00:11:11
Amelie
And that's a funny thing. That's a funny thing. Hey, how's the tea? How's the tea? What's going on? And everybody's dead. Ooh. Everybody's dead.
00:11:22
Amelie
oh And you hear the directors like, uh-oh, I have to leave. to do And it's really funny. It's really funny.
00:11:31
Jo
it's the, the whole, like, Oh, these cops are for us. Let's get the fuck out. And they leave and they get out. There's no, there's no chase scene. There's no like, oh my God, there's no shootouts.
00:11:42
Amelie
Yes.
00:11:42
Jo
He's just like, he's got tea, time for us to go, and they're gone. Boom.
00:11:47
Amelie
Yeah.
00:11:48
Jo
like there' There's like walking away from it.
00:11:48
Amelie
And that's very simple. That's very clean, simple, and boom. That's interesting because nowadays, cinema, there's a lot of CGI, there's a lot of purges, there's a lot of sound and stuff.
00:12:02
Amelie
But is it good for the story? Here we just have a bang, bang, bang. And how does the scene link to another scene when just a simple man with a with a tea platter coming by and seeing everybody dead. Oh, everybody's dead.
00:12:16
Amelie
There's an helicopter. So our imagination can run and be like, oh, they're going to be red on. So he's running. And that's all.
00:12:23
Jo
Right.
00:12:24
Amelie
And it's simple. And I love that. That's a great storytelling. No need too much details. We know they're going to have policemen and stuff and stuff and stuff. No need of that. Just the following of the main character and the main arc story.
00:12:39
Jo
Yeah.
00:12:39
Amelie
Simple.
00:12:40
Jo
And it breaks down what Barry is really about and this relationship is not a action movie where everything has to be broken down. And the audience, I think you said it correctly, it's simple.
00:12:53
Jo
So we forgive when we don't see every fucking step on how NoHoHang gets away. We don't need every step. We don't care about every step. We just know it gets away and that's good enough for us. It works.
00:13:04
Jo
He got away. Cool. Great. It's believable. He's like, I'm going to tip off, fuck out. He leaves. That's it. And at the same time, what's also believable, it goes back two back to Barry and Sally.
00:13:20
Jo
And Barry's like, I'm quitting class. He just quit.
00:13:23
Amelie
Yes.
00:13:24
Jo
because it's like She's like, oh my God, you you have to stay. you have We're doing the front page. is like You want me into comedy? We're like, really? like Yeah, we're going to the comedy. is It's a front page. The front page.
00:13:36
Jo
And it kind of gets Barry to go like, oh, well, you know, maybe. I guess we can do this. and you see that Barry is coming into life after Fuchs.
00:13:52
Jo
He kills everyone.
00:13:52
Amelie
yes
00:13:53
Jo
He saves Fuchs.
00:13:54
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:13:54
Jo
He drops Fuchs off of all his fucking money. Tells him, get the fuck out of my life. See you later. And we see this. And Barry's taking his first step with, I'm going to do something with the girl I like.
00:14:10
Jo
They're not boyfriend and girlfriend.
00:14:11
Amelie
and Mm-hmm.
00:14:12
Jo
They're just two actors hanging out, being asked to do stuff. And I can't believe I keep using his voice right now, but I'm fucking slipping into it. So you see all this. And then because we've seen so many times where Barry's character has, we'll say, imagination,
00:14:33
Jo
relationships imaginary relationships he's daydreaming a bit and we've seen this daydream being set up again and again and again and again of how things are so much great with sally and his life's gonna be great with her and so we see them together reading in like the hammock like oh is this part of a fucking imagination or like no it's actually them together
00:14:51
Amelie
has
00:14:57
Amelie
yes
00:14:58
Jo
And it's like, holy shit, they're actually reading the front page and he's getting his lines.
00:15:04
Amelie
yeah yeah any lovely case say in a hammer so with home Hollywood a she's a girlfriend and he's a boyfriend
00:15:05
Jo
He's actually learning how to do lines of an entire two-person play.
00:15:12
Jo
Yeah.
00:15:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:15:19
Amelie
he's at peace and I'm like that's that's a that's a lovely and heavenly picture
00:15:26
Jo
Absolutely. And it reminds me of the last episode I watched of you, which is, I believe, a Netflix series.
00:15:37
Amelie
and test takes theory about me okay
00:15:38
Jo
I have don't spoil it. Don't spoil. Don't spoil. Don't spoil. cause I've only watched part of the first season.
00:15:47
Amelie
I like it because the main character he's in the library book shop and he's well spoken, he's a normal guy, he's really cultivated and I like the way he speaks and I like how the series is based.
00:15:54
Jo
Yeah, the bookstore. Bookstore, yeah. Well, language.
00:16:08
Amelie
You think what you think, etc.
00:16:09
Jo
Right.
00:16:10
Amelie
etc And in this series
00:16:12
Jo
Sorry, I think it up
00:16:14
Amelie
you question also the idea of what is right and what is wrong.
00:16:23
Jo
yes it's It's Superman.
00:16:24
Amelie
Because there is some situation where I'm like, please kill that dude. He deserves But the same time, it was justice. can you Is it justice to do so? You know what I mean?
00:16:36
Jo
like Superman can kill everyone in the world, should he?
00:16:39
Amelie
yet I read every next no no no I read that man man and because you have a Batman and the police and we'll friend together right and the police it just a that Batman make justice any question it questionable and the
00:16:40
Jo
you know
00:16:45
Jo
Batman just doesn't.
00:16:56
Jo
It was vengeance.
00:17:00
Jo
But Batman doesn't cost a line. Batman doesn't kill. Batman could kill people, but Superman literally could kill everyone.
00:17:08
Amelie
uh... they want to and
00:17:09
Jo
That's what I'm saying. Batman can't kill everyone. He's going to lose at some point. Superman could go through the entire fucking planet and blow it up. He doesn't.
00:17:17
Amelie
yet yet that's why just to read what's the thing to think it's not the american we get that to come and point
00:17:27
Amelie
but
00:17:27
Jo
Oh, the boys.
00:17:28
Jo
Yes.
00:17:29
Amelie
the boys because that's what's happened. you know it's It's a bad Superman. He's part of the firm and he killed everyone.
00:17:34
Jo
He's Superman.
00:17:37
Amelie
He's like a complete psycho.
00:17:38
Jo
Home runner. Yeah.
00:17:39
Amelie
Yeah, because you have Superman, but Superman can be dangerous.
00:17:40
Jo
Home runner. I'm a home runner.
00:17:43
Amelie
If Superman existed, would he be a superhero or accepted as a superhero? like next I like the X-Men because the X-Men, they have superpowers, they want to help the world, but people look at them like crazy people, like
00:17:49
Jo
Well.
00:17:54
Jo
Yeah. Homelander.
00:17:59
Amelie
you know
00:17:59
Jo
Well, because they look different. And then you see Homelander from The Boys is basically this blonde, hair-ish, good-looking dude, chiseled just like Superman. you know But you you have this. you You have the ability to be good and bad. We're bringing this back to you, I'm guessing, while you, the TV show.
00:18:18
Jo
I likened it to the last episode I saw because I stopped. At season one, the episode where Joe and the girl get together for real, the end.
00:18:29
Jo
I don't know what happens after this. I don't want to know. I needed a happy ending for once in my fucking life. And that was it. And this is where we see Barry. If Barry's season, if we stop watching Barry right the fuck now, they're in the hammock.
00:18:43
Jo
That will be a proper place. If you want a happy ending, stop at the hammock. stop at the fucking hammock they're together barry gets the girl the girl becomes the star that she always wanted to be it's awesome it's amazing they're together the end don't watch the other fucking show don't watch the rest of the series don't even watch the rest of this episode just put it on pause walk away
00:19:07
Amelie
so basically do a project of time just large theory we watch the theory we watch the theory we watch the theory but never think about the reality of as uh...
00:19:10
Jo
maybe
00:19:19
Amelie
uh... he friend any in pn say diane in the end there's a day after and the day after and the day after and the day after and the day up and tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow
00:19:26
Jo
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. Yeah. yeah And that's exactly it. We're going, won't go into the thing, but that's what we see.
00:19:38
Jo
And then the next person you see on screen is detective Moss. And she's walking as friends.
00:19:45
Amelie
and
00:19:46
Jo
Like, do, do, do, do. Like what the fuck happened that they're friends now? Like what the actual fuck happened that they're friends?
00:19:54
Amelie
Where are they?
00:19:55
Jo
and Yeah.
00:19:56
Amelie
Is it not the house?
00:19:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:19:57
Amelie
Is it not the happy ending we were expecting? And they're like, we realize it's Jim Cousineau's home and they're holiday weekend all together.
00:20:06
Jo
Yep.
00:20:07
Amelie
And I'm like, oh no.
00:20:09
Jo
A couple's weekend. They're in a couple's fucking weekend with Gene Moss and They've moved on with their lives so well that Barry is talking about you know his girlfriend, doing all these things.
00:20:22
Jo
And they're boyfriend and girlfriend 100% now. And Barry's getting everything he's wanted. ah ah which is weird for a show that, you know, when Barry first starts out, he just wants to kill him. He's living life just to live it.
00:20:41
Jo
And now he has something to live for. He's got the relationship to live for. But we also seen his character killed people to make sure this relationship happens.
00:20:52
Jo
He killed Chris to make sure this relationship happens. Not that he'll get Sally, but will he'll be able to live a life with Sally as a choice.
00:21:05
Jo
Meaning he's probably not like, going to go get with Sally. It was a great. No, he wants to have a life outside of killing. So ironically, almost, he has to kill Chris for it. And he crosses that fucking line. The line he was so adamant against with Fuchs before. You don't kill Marine.
00:21:22
Jo
What the fuck are we? To why'd you fucking say that? Why'd you have to fucking say that?
00:21:28
Amelie
Yes. yeah
00:21:30
Jo
You see him break. You see him cry kill Chris. And then Barry just ties up all his loose ends. He kills all the fucking sections. so for no ho-hank. He rescues Fuchs. Get him the fuck out. He should have killed Fuchs.
00:21:44
Jo
You really want to tie up all the loose ends. and he lives And he lives a good life until dinner.
00:21:51
Amelie
yes
00:21:52
Jo
And you see, we've all been in a situation where we've gone to dinner with our significant other and our friends who might be in couples as well.
00:22:06
Jo
And our friend says something completely bad.
00:22:11
Amelie
Oh, yes.
00:22:13
Jo
And we're like, hope no one really pays attention to what they just said. Because now have to explain this to my girlfriend.
00:22:18
Amelie
Oh, yes. Uh-huh.
00:22:20
Jo
i have explain it to that motherfucker and explain it this motherfucker.
00:22:21
Amelie
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:22:25
Jo
And when Gene's talking about, like, yeah, when Barry first came, I didn't think he had any chops. Then when he came to apologize, mean, you know, he gave me this, not apologize. We talked to Barry about his car next to the car.
00:22:39
Jo
And gave me this monologue about killing people. It was great. It was like real, the first real thing he said. And Barry's like, oh, fuck.
00:22:49
Amelie
Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:22:50
Jo
Fuck. And Moss is like, what you mean?
00:22:51
Amelie
Here
00:22:52
Jo
Like, your name's not Barry Berkman, it's Barry Block? First age, like, yeah, it's better. So Barry lets that one slip, and then Gene follows up with, it just in case you missed, this is Barry Block. Here's some information um that will really get your spidey sense tingling in And that is exactly it.
00:23:10
Jo
So with that said, have you been in a situation where you are at dinner or like a small intimate gathering, right?
00:23:11
Amelie
we go.
00:23:22
Jo
And someone from your past says something to you that you're not like, oh, fuck.
00:23:29
Amelie
Oh, no.
00:23:30
Jo
You don't want to tell me if you don't want to. I'm just curious.
00:23:32
Amelie
It's me, I fucked up.
00:23:34
Jo
you You're the one that did it?
00:23:36
Amelie
Uh-huh, and I didn't know.
00:23:37
Jo
Fuck me.
00:23:38
Amelie
I didn't know, I didn't know because because um apparently I'm very open-minded. I'm very, very open-minded and everybody can tell me everything and accept the people as they are, i don't care about a very specific value.
00:23:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:23:51
Amelie
And we were at dinner with a couple, me, my husband and another a couple. and we were talking talking and that woman who in front of me say so Emily you're not jealous right you you can let Stefan do everything you want yeah sure for example the weekend he went with let's call the guy John with John to Slovakia they had fun and I'm fine with that and she turned to her to John and she's like what weekend in Slovakia and Stefan is like
00:24:21
Jo
Oh, fuck. Dude.
00:24:25
Amelie
looking at me and I look at him and I'm like, what? What did I say? Like, you went to Slovakia, right? And Stefan's like, no, no, no, Amelie made a mistake.
00:24:36
Amelie
This is not with John, this is with Jim. Amelie's French and she mixtape and everything. And one time I looked at her and I said, what the fuck?
00:24:41
Jo
oh
00:24:45
Amelie
It was you and John that I made a mistake. No, no, you were right, Amelie. It's just, she's not as open-minded like you. Like, she's not going to leave John spent a full weekend in Slovakia.
00:24:56
Amelie
So I have ah the time my friend Christian who came up to me and said, you know how many, you're an amazing woman, you know, you're very open-minded, you're not jealous of Stefan, Stefan can go to Slovakia if he wants to.
00:25:09
Amelie
You're great like that. But not every man has a chance of somebody very open-minded like this. And he's like, by the way, what you know, the other don't know. So i'm like, okay, cool, I will never, never ever speak about this again.
00:25:22
Amelie
But
00:25:22
Jo
it's Except right now on show live.
00:25:25
Amelie
Yes, but no, not at all, not at all.
00:25:25
Jo
Do you need me to edit this out or no? Okay.
00:25:29
Amelie
No, no, these people are far away and out of my life.
00:25:32
Jo
Yeah, the internet doesn't exist.
00:25:33
Amelie
And this is not this is none of my business.
00:25:34
Jo
Thank God they don't press play on it.
00:25:37
Amelie
If you cannot trust your man, if your man were not allowed to tell you he was going to Slovakia and if he had to lie to you, you have a problem. You have a problem.
00:25:47
Jo
No, yeah.
00:25:47
Amelie
I'm not problem.
00:25:47
Jo
that is so Honestly, that is absolutely a problem of trust. If you have to sneak around to do shit, and okay, I don't mean sneak around and get someone a Christmas present.
00:25:59
Jo
There's some things you can lie about. i think everyone should be able to buy people presents while saying, I'm buying a present. I get that part. I get that part. But I don't get the sneaking around shit. I just either tell them or get out the fucking relationship.
00:26:15
Jo
One of the two has to happen.
00:26:16
Amelie
Correct.
00:26:17
Jo
Probably both. Honestly, fucking both. Because honest to God, like if you're not happy with your partner, then something with you anyways.
00:26:24
Amelie
Yeah, like it's okay if you have a secret garden. It's so great it's okay if you have a past. It's okay if you've got boundaries.
00:26:31
Jo
Yeah.
00:26:31
Amelie
It's okay if you can be a little bit jealous. I'm jealous. You're jealous. We're all jealous. Like, come on. It's normal. You know what I mean? But I don't like, like, for example, it's not If you marry me, it's not because you're married to me, you have to say bye-bye to your freedom.
00:26:49
Amelie
No, I want you to have your freedom.
00:26:50
Jo
No.
00:26:51
Amelie
Voila. Simple as that. Like you're an adult, you go to work, the electricity is paid, I've got food on my table, you look after my children, you don't beat me, I don't beat you.
00:26:55
Jo
OK.
00:27:00
Amelie
like You know, there's things that are way more important, right? If you want to go weekend in Slovakia, go on a weekend in Slovakia. If I want to go a weekend in London, I'm going to go on a weekend in London, right?
00:27:13
Amelie
easy peasy name on squeezy, simple as that. But as a former receptionist and my husband and being a a photograph photographer, you cannot imagine the number of secrets, down foolery and situation where we're like, we stop everything else and we want to ask the person, are you okay?
00:27:20
Jo
Oh, yeah.
00:27:28
Jo
you guys must have seen a lot.
00:27:37
Amelie
Or, hey, if you need help, blink twice, men and women. Like one day, for example, we receive a special demand at the hotel. i want to ask my girlfriend to marry me.
00:27:48
Amelie
Oh, great. Fantastic. I want to buy a photographer. I want to pay a violin sonnist.
00:27:51
Jo
Well,
00:27:53
Amelie
I want roses and stuff. Great, great, great. But I'm going to give you and email address. Okay? It's the email address of my best friend because my girlfriend has access to my email address because she's jealous.
00:28:06
Amelie
What? What? Because in your email address nowadays, you've got to email from the bank, email from your app and stuff.
00:28:06
Jo
that's going to work well.
00:28:15
Jo
I mean.
00:28:16
Amelie
And I'm like, yeah, that tiny little detail, you know, like, can you repeat again, please? Are you okay? are yeah And don't contact me on my phone. i' she She has access and everything. thatdada I will have that phone, that telephone number, it's work, et cetera, from that, et cetera.
00:28:32
Amelie
We're like, okay, okay, cool, cool. Okay, great. Like, there's things where like, what? it's, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But people like, uh,
00:28:41
Jo
No, it's iceberging. Well, When you're saying that, the first time I said, I'm like, oh man, that's a fucking disaster. But when you kept talking about it, like, oh, that's brilliant.
00:28:52
Jo
It means I don't have to read any my own fucking emails. like I get a wife that could do that. for I'm like, fuck, that's like a secretary. That's awesome. So how do I get one of these? like How do I get a girl who wants to go through my fucking phone and like go through my emails? Because you can do that and you can reply to my emails for me.
00:29:09
Jo
Oh my God. like's That's a win for me. Are you kidding me? I love it. I love it. like go take my fuck Here, you guys take my fucking phone.
00:29:20
Jo
Take my texting. Text all you want. Email everyone. Read all the emails. Let me know the important shit. Everything else is gravy.
00:29:28
Amelie
of I Terry you need to create a ring
00:29:31
Jo
I know, I know, I know. I know. The way you're sounding, I know. i was i was making light of it. I'm like, yeah, that sounds great. But I know she was she was not doing it that way. She was doing it more of like the, like, I see everything.
00:29:42
Jo
Like, well, if you can't trust a motherfucker, why be with him?
00:29:43
Amelie
I'm not ahead next boyfriend for example whenever made call the girl male friend who tried to add me on Facebook he would raise a rate that person on Facebook I didn't know I didn't know for think one more for thought had a problem with my Facebook and only to have my boyfriend who went on my Gmail account on my laptop changes something on my Gmail to receive a notification from Facebook he would go on my Facebook account via his phone or his laptop to reject the friendship so there's one of my friends like it's been five times I ask it faster you accept and you
00:30:04
Jo
Oh, shit. Oh, shit.
00:30:12
Jo
What?
00:30:24
Amelie
do you have a problem with me, Emily? And I'm like, no, not at all. And he's like, but look, the message I have. I say, I'm going to contact Facebook. boup pu hebralto um What the fuck is going on? And it's me talking out loud on the phone with a friend.
00:30:35
Amelie
My brother is like, excuse me, I know exactly what's going on.
00:30:36
Jo
Yeah.
00:30:38
Amelie
And he grabbed my Gmail account and he's like, yeah, he did it. So yeah, I broke up with the guy, of course. Then there, I'm like, do that much.
00:30:45
Jo
That's horrible. sorry to hear. Yeah.
00:30:48
Amelie
And it's really funny because ease I was going at the police at that time because it was 2010. two thousand and ten Police would laugh at me. Hey, I have my boyfriend. Whenever I had a boy on Facebook, he delete
00:31:04
Jo
Yeah. They wouldn't take this shit serious.
00:31:04
Amelie
And there is one of my former managers who say to me, the ex-fiancé of his wife didn't stop to create fake accounts.
00:31:16
Amelie
to insult them on Instagram. So they went to the police with proof and stuff, explaining the back story, and they're like, look, did you receive death threats?
00:31:19
Jo
Jesus Christ.
00:31:25
Amelie
Did he come to your house?
00:31:27
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:27
Amelie
Did he do this and that? For example, if it's a car and you destroy the car, yes, it can do something. That is just comments on Instagram. we We're not interested. Nowadays, you have new law in France.
00:31:37
Jo
They'll take that shit. Yeah.
00:31:39
Amelie
This is harassment. You can prove this is harassment. It's written. You can report it.
00:31:43
Jo
Yeah, absolutely.
00:31:44
Amelie
You can go to the police, et cetera.
00:31:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:46
Amelie
So that's really interesting to see how arrestments and internet laws, et cetera, just grow.
00:31:54
Jo
they They change a bit.
00:31:54
Amelie
Yeah?
00:31:55
Jo
they They do evolve. And that actually happened to me. Honestly, was using Tinder. And every time I went to match with a girl on Tinder, their, I guess, mom, girlfriend, whatever was, they kept blocking me on Tinder.
00:32:14
Jo
And that's why I couldn't get any matches.
00:32:16
Amelie
ready
00:32:17
Jo
No, I'm fucking with you. A, I don't use Tinder. B, it was just a funny joke to say. I'm like, yeah, that's why I couldn't get any matches dating. It's because whenever I try to match with someone, their fucking end, doesn't go to them. It goes to someone else, and they block me.
00:32:33
Jo
No, i'm just a nuggle motherfucker. i It was just a joke. Jesus Christ, man.
00:32:38
Amelie
No, sorry, I took it very seriously because I know a lot of people who got locked on Tinder and had...
00:32:42
Jo
Oh, really? i don't...
00:32:43
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, i wait oh, we're, oh, we're, we're, we're, we're men, lot.
00:32:47
Jo
I'm looking for one, by the way.
00:32:48
Amelie
You are so lucky, you can snap for your finger and have a lot of proposition, my dear friend, because you're an amazing and beautiful man, you know, you, right? Boom.
00:32:57
Jo
Like, fucking snap like Thanos, maybe.
00:32:57
Amelie
Pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, choice, my life is full of choice, my
00:33:00
Jo
like fair Yeah, you know, like Thanos and having 50% disappear on me.
00:33:03
Amelie
But there's men who don't and go, block, block, block, block.
00:33:05
Jo
Oh.
00:33:07
Amelie
And that's crazy. Like, I heard stories. I'm like, seriously, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, they can block you. They can, yeah.
00:33:15
Jo
so
00:33:15
Amelie
and day
00:33:17
Jo
Either here or there. So what you're saying for for this is going to be because Barry used Facebook.
00:33:19
Amelie
yeahall
00:33:26
Jo
Moss then suspects and goes out. She walks out with her fucking laptop to the fucking pier. And looks up Barry block on Facebook and then makes the connection there.
00:33:42
Amelie
didn't
00:33:42
Jo
So she suspects all this. And if Barry really wanted to be smart, he would have put that shit on private and blocked some fucking people. and
00:33:49
Amelie
He didn't know. he didn't know
00:33:51
Jo
Of course, he didn't even know what Facebook was.
00:33:51
Amelie
i
00:33:55
Jo
you know and We see Barry is guilty on Facebook. One of the things that he has is the the ability to do what was the fundraisers.
00:34:05
Jo
Like, I'm doing ah ah another walk for Chris's kids. and Another fundraiser for Chris, you know, what the fucking marathon bullshit was. He was doing all these events to help Chris's family out.
00:34:17
Jo
Because he'd feel guilty for killing their dad and husband. And he should. mean, he killed their dad and husband. yeah I think that's a guilt thing. So you see that.
00:34:29
Jo
And Barry's very naive on using Facebook. I think we all are. And then she, which very much so.
00:34:34
Amelie
Yes, we are. We're guilty.
00:34:37
Jo
And she tracks him that way. And this is where it goes from Barry from episode one ah ah seven, having these morals in place or just trying to find who his life is and getting the taste of life and not wanting giving it up.
00:34:53
Jo
He doesn't want to give it up. And last episode, he kills Chris because he's like, why'd you fucking say that? He blows up. he's like He sees himself in danger, not physical danger. If he sees his life he's building being in emotional danger, and he fucking kills Chris to silence him.
00:35:12
Jo
So you see this as a snap reaction to Chris. It's in the motion. It's in the heat of. it's It's a crime of passion if you want to use that defense. Like, Barry lost his shit.
00:35:24
Jo
He kills Chris because of it. He needs to silence Chris, and that's how they end him. This moment with Detective Moss, Barry walks out. He confronts her.
00:35:37
Jo
She pulls a gun on him. And he's trying to talk her down. He's trying to talk her down like he tried to talk Chris down before.
00:35:42
Amelie
Thank you.
00:35:46
Jo
It's not happening. It's not happening. It's not happening. It's just like, you know, it's not me anymore. We just be friends. We can go out and do stuff. It's, hey, that that's someone else. I yeah had to because I was made to do it.
00:35:58
Jo
I don't want to do it. You know, he's just trying to like, we just go back inside. And she's like, no, this only ends with you being behind bars. I'm bringing you in.
00:36:09
Jo
It's only time. It's the only way ends.
00:36:11
Amelie
that she stayed on the police use them under her you ever you going to jail yes
00:36:13
Jo
Yeah. You're the murderer. Yes.
00:36:16
Amelie
that
00:36:18
Jo
And when Barry's walking backwards, this is what the change of his character is. This is character arc in this season. This is very telling. He already has a gun with a silencer taped to a fucking tree.
00:36:33
Amelie
yes yes
00:36:34
Jo
This is premeditated. Chris was a crime of passion. It happened in me. Bam. In the middle of it. This is premeditation. Barry was like, holy shit, she's knowing something about me. I might need a gun.
00:36:47
Jo
am I might have to kill her.
00:36:50
Jo
He had a pack of fucking gun. He had to pack a pack of gun with a silencer to his fucking getaway. So he's always thought that this Detective Moss might be out to get him.
00:36:58
Amelie
Yeah.
00:37:01
Amelie
Yeah. And he had already in his head kill her.
00:37:05
Jo
Yeah. He's like, I'm bringing this gun with me.
00:37:06
Amelie
Yeah. and And he changed everything because of the first episode, he was, hi, I'm going to kill that guy because you asked me to. I don't need to know anything about that person.
00:37:17
Jo
Yeah.
00:37:18
Amelie
It's like a FedEx to, I have a plan. It's me, myself, and I. I don't want my life to be stopped. I'm doing going to kill that person. So I'm going to come out. and I'm going to trap her and to kill her.
00:37:32
Amelie
And as you say, it's a tiny notice of him preparing it.
00:37:37
Jo
Yeah.
00:37:38
Amelie
He could have flee. He could have run away, maybe.
00:37:41
Jo
Yeah. Could have been completely done. He could have been completely done and it is... he doesn't... He could have been completely done just by dissing himself from Detective Moss. He doesn't.
00:37:58
Jo
He's just living this life. you're living this life. He's living this life. And... Basically, him trying to live a life makes things harder on him than not.
00:38:13
Jo
not
00:38:17
Jo
And he knows that he has to wait for his moment. Hopefully that moment never comes. I don't think he's waiting to kill or wanting to kill Moss. He's hoping that moment never comes.
00:38:27
Jo
But when it does, he's very well prepared for it. I mean, he's like, not only does he pack the gun, but he tapes it to the fucking tree and knows exactly where he's walking.
00:38:40
Jo
He's played this out a million times in his head. And it goes, right-a-tat-tat. The scene ends with like thunder effects. Right-tat-tat. Fucking shoots. We know deep down one person shot the other person.
00:38:53
Jo
we We also know there's three more seasons of Barry and it's not called fucking Detective Moss after this. So we're pretty sure he fucking kills her. At the end of this episode, we know someone's dead. We're pretty sure she's fucking dead.
00:39:05
Amelie
yeah that's a big issue that's a big question you know for the writing purpose when you right theory and you have an idea of a character exit now really difficult to write the first and because you want to tell story but and sent your baking in the idea of am I going to be paid for a second season or not
00:39:06
Jo
And that is the change.
00:39:22
Jo
Yeah.
00:39:32
Amelie
how do i and the first and to either of the follow-up and the second thing then or they just want to them you know that that's what them wondering
00:39:32
Jo
Yeah.
00:39:41
Jo
Yeah. I don't know if they already had this in mind. I'm not sure how far this is, but I do know it ends with like starting now.
00:39:51
Jo
Like, my life, boom, we're starting over, starting now. That's the the last line being heard. And it really works. It ties up Barry a lot.
00:40:03
Jo
And it starts really pushing him into his character arc. we We see that Barry's crossing a lot of fucking lines.
00:40:15
Jo
That maybe Fuchs is arguably still a bad guy, but maybe this was always inside of Barry. Maybe this darkness was always inside of Barry. And we'll see this. We'll see this as it comes through, right?
00:40:31
Jo
Now, we talked about the entire season, first season. How would you how would you like it? Like it Hate it What made you want to see season two or what?
00:40:41
Amelie
The acting of Bilader, especially the a de episode with Macbeth, when he comes on the scene and he cries and there's this tragedy and he's got remorse and stuff, the character development.
00:40:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:40:53
Amelie
I'm like, I need to watch the season too, like for sure. At beginning, I was watching the series because it was funny, goofy, the first episode and stuff and SNL, da da da da.
00:40:59
Jo
yeah
00:41:01
Amelie
When I saw Bilader crying and the actor and what he was doing, was like, my God, he's such a great actor.
00:41:06
Jo
You're hooked.
00:41:08
Jo
Yeah.
00:41:08
Amelie
And it's amazing writer. like oh It's great. Plus, what really catch me in the series, it's the sexually umssments sexual harassment Sally lived with the manager.
00:41:22
Jo
Right.
00:41:22
Amelie
That scene really got my heart dropped. And I really cried for her. i'm like fuck I had to stop the series. And I was shook.
00:41:30
Jo
right
00:41:31
Amelie
I was like, this is terrible. Because it's so realistic. She's not full of plastic surgery as a woman next to her.
00:41:40
Jo
There's nothing wrong with plastic surgeries.
00:41:43
Amelie
Excessive. You could see in that scene, it was really put on the nose. Everybody had big tits, big lips. They were in stereo shoes like that. You know what I mean? Like they were Barbie dolls compared to her were more looking like a simple American, a simple woman, simple citizen.
00:41:56
Jo
right.
00:42:01
Amelie
And I really like the mix between much up and they're being and the hot reality we sexual harassment by then drug use except that I could help people just think about themselves there's a project in front of you but nobody called 911 nobody say stop this is wrong you know what I mean back because in reality many times we heard people think I had a car accident and nobody called 911 all for example
00:42:14
Jo
oh
00:42:35
Amelie
my father beat me up and had bruises and nobody tell anything. Or many times did you hear my sister? He's in a domestic relationship and it's, everybody knows there's the elephant in our room, but nobody talk about it.
00:42:45
Jo
Right.
00:42:50
Amelie
Or you see what I mean? So in reality, it's not Hollywood. It's not that easy as it seems. You know, it's very long. You call the police. It was supposed to come.
00:42:58
Jo
right
00:42:59
Amelie
night It's not, hello, police, two minute, boom, they comment, that but da Superman. You know what I mean? Like hes so right it's too late often.
00:43:05
Jo
Yeah, no, it's more real.
00:43:07
Amelie
So I really like that, the juxtaposition of bang, bang, bang, but also soer the the reality of behind the camera. And as I know, B-Ladder, who worked for years and years on in SNL, movies, series, writing behind the camera, in photos of the camera, etc.
00:43:26
Amelie
And he knows his job. I really liked the work he did about showing Hollywood as it is in the backstage, beyond the curtains, beyond the makeup and stuff.
00:43:35
Jo
I
00:43:40
Amelie
It's very interesting.
00:43:42
Jo
i think it was a great dichotomy between the mafia scenes or the drug dealer scenes or what are the crime drug large scenes and the theater people because the ones that are most messed up are actually the theater people.
00:43:58
Jo
like that They're his life that are not part of the Chechens or Bolivians. You know they're selling drugs. and You know they're bad guys. But in in reality, they don't really kill many people. They kill certain number of people. they They don't really go out of their way. They're more seen as like businessmen. that Instead of drugs, they could be selling fucking Nerf.
00:44:24
Jo
you know They could be selling baseballs.
00:44:24
Amelie
Yeah. I think they do flowers, something like that.
00:44:28
Amelie
Flowers, or yeah know stuff like that.
00:44:28
Jo
Yeah, it's
00:44:30
Jo
Yeah, it's something like kind of low-key for the most part in season one. And most of the action is what normal people are doing and going through in extraordinary circumstances.
00:44:40
Amelie
Yeah.
00:44:42
Jo
I think that's part of the charm of Barry. And like the way it ends with Bill Hader's character just kind of going very sociopathic and very much but protecting what he has I think that sets up for season two, three, and four of various, can be very interesting.
00:45:02
Jo
Or I like to say, very interesting. See?
00:45:06
Amelie
from
00:45:07
Jo
And i I like this. I like doing this with you because I've been watching these. I watched two days, a couple of days ago, two yesterday. And it reminds me of how good the series really is.
00:45:21
Jo
And I like talking with you about it. So thank you for doing this podcast with me. Because it reminds me of how like, I'll, I'll, people can see the series.
00:45:25
Amelie
yeah
00:45:27
Jo
I don't see the same way as you do sometimes. And that's great. Because we have conversations that way about it. Right. but it's a tight, it's, it's four seasons long and it's fucking tight.
00:45:42
Jo
There's no episode where you're like fast forward. mean, there's episodes. Watch. I love the flash TV show. Loved it.
00:45:49
Amelie
yeah
00:45:49
Jo
Past tense. Loved past tense. There's episodes where just fucking skipped. like there's season i haven't seen all the seasons. I saw the first like three or four seasons. like This is great. And even then, there's episodes you skip because they're just basically filler.
00:46:03
Jo
Like, oh, they have to shoot something this week.
00:46:05
Amelie
Yeah, the filler episode.
00:46:06
Jo
Great.
00:46:07
Amelie
Like for example, there's some series where they play really well the filler episode.
00:46:07
Jo
Yeah.
00:46:11
Amelie
For example, Community, the series, whenever there is a filler episode, they do something very theatrical. And it's open one of my best episodes.
00:46:18
Jo
I...
00:46:20
Jo
Didn't watch.
00:46:20
Amelie
You see what I mean?
00:46:21
Jo
You know what? I've only watched the first two years of community. I think I have the same problem. I have good community is the one I have with. I was the one you're trying to get me to watch breaking bad.
00:46:32
Amelie
Tell me about it.
00:46:33
Jo
Because community college is two fucking years. Like after season two, what are you doing? Are they going to university?
00:46:40
Amelie
Yeah, was not aware of that.
00:46:41
Jo
they Do they fail community college?
00:46:43
Amelie
Yeah, but that's a big question.
00:46:43
Jo
Do they fill art class five times?
00:46:45
Amelie
That's a big question because they like often after the season two, there's a big question. It's like, why are you still here?
00:46:51
Amelie
are you normally?
00:46:51
Jo
It's like the fucking the Simpsons and the Simpsons, the difference is the the the Bart and Lisa, they don't ever age because they're cartoons.
00:47:00
Jo
They're not supposed to have to age, but community aged.
00:47:00
Amelie
Yeah. And at the same time, the flashback. The flashback used to be Vietnam flashback, the 60s, 70s flashback. Now the flashbacks are in the 90s.
00:47:11
Amelie
And I'm like, okay, so the director... Did he go to Afghanistan now because he's 40 years old and he's director and he's still vet?
00:47:11
Jo
Yeah.
00:47:18
Jo
Maybe. Maybe.
00:47:19
Amelie
I'm like, I hope they make him go to Afghanistan because the Skinner went to Vietnam. vietnam
00:47:26
Jo
um um I don't know. You lost me for a second You're talking about The Simpsons. Okay, yeah. Go for it.
00:47:30
Amelie
Yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, yeah, okay. So nowadays, is he going to... to Afghanistan, like the grandpa, the grandpa went to, did the D-Day, but now the grandpa should be the one who did Vietnam and Skinner, Afghanistan, because they're all old, but they're not that old.
00:47:37
Jo
Afghanistan, yeah.
00:47:41
Jo
World War II.
00:47:49
Amelie
You see what I mean? So they're continuity.
00:47:51
Jo
Yeah.
00:47:52
Amelie
And the Simpsons, the parents, when they had flashbacks, it was a flashback from the 70s, and nowadays it's flashbacks from the
00:48:01
Jo
interesting eitherve watch them I haven't watched it in a while but this is something i will keep with and I don't I won't skip Simpson episodes because they're all unique like that I skipped a shit out of Flash I couldn't finish Breaking and Bad I can't finish Community because to my mind theyre like why did you why these fucking seasons keep going I don't know why like I'll be like you don't like Breaking Bad you I know i don't know man And this is what I'm saying about Barry.
00:48:31
Jo
It's a tight four. I wouldn't skip any of these episodes. i would Not one episode and in eight seasons, or it's only eight episodes per season too. I wouldn't skip any of these.
00:48:44
Jo
And there's some things I watch front to back.
00:48:44
Amelie
yet
00:48:46
Jo
I watch all of Bones. And there's some things i like I might not pay attention to too hard, but I watched all of it. where this is a tight fucking show. Like Barry is just a tight fucking show. You blink, you miss it.
00:49:01
Amelie
yet but but he's interested about the its return like a story from chapter to chapter to chapter and that's how I said when series are already written
00:49:06
Jo
Yeah. That's why.
00:49:12
Amelie
There is, for example, five seasons, but it's meant to be five seasons. There is an arc with a character, some characters have a development, etc. And I know I talk about Breaking Bad, but what I like about Breaking Bad is every character has an arc.
00:49:21
Jo
Yeah.
00:49:28
Amelie
And the arc of the guy who has cancer, it's you discover a thing that is cancer, it can be his own chef, and it's a battle of ego, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:49:32
Jo
La la la la la la la la la la
00:49:40
Amelie
blah
00:49:40
Jo
yeah
00:49:40
Amelie
But that's what I like, Breaking Bad, because every character you take, aside from Big Bad, they have interesting arc.
00:49:45
Jo
everyone has an arc and must be a lot of water
00:49:48
Amelie
It's really deep. And they you you you can you can see you can say every character are good, bad, and they've got great.
00:49:50
Jo
but the water iss deep or the arc is deep
00:49:58
Amelie
Like, for example, Kusano. We were talking about Kusano.
00:50:01
Jo
Right.
00:50:02
Amelie
Yes, he's a dickhead. Yes, he's dumb-dumb. Yes, he's self-dressed.
00:50:05
Jo
But he's grounded.
00:50:07
Amelie
He's grounded. He's an excellent teacher. he tries his best to be better.
00:50:10
Jo
He's parental.
00:50:10
Amelie
He's in love. choose You see what I mean?
00:50:12
Amelie
He's not just black or white. He's got different facets. So every character you can like, okay, you understand. Like, for example, at the beginning, I hated Sally. But when I found out the episode with the manager and what she's been through, she's got beaten up.
00:50:12
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:23
Jo
All the things that she's been through. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:27
Amelie
She wants to be her own person. She's an excellent actress.
00:50:29
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:29
Amelie
She wants to write. a datadada I'm like, oh oh, she's an interesting person. It's like in real life. When you get to know someone, you're like, oh, like you, for example, we've been afraid for 15 years.
00:50:42
Amelie
discovered a lot of things about you. and I'm like, oh, that's why he doesn't like that. Or, oh, that's why he reacts when I say this and that. Oh, okay. Oh, Spazer was a soldier. Okay, fair enough.
00:50:52
Amelie
So not talking about this, not talking about that, or being very careful.
00:50:56
Jo
Yeah, it's people's experiences.
00:50:57
Amelie
And for you, you found out during the podcast I was an unbalanced driver. Like, you don't know. You don't know.
00:51:03
Amelie
Like, uh, and you know me for the time like a what my friend said people like to talk people like to say how are you but nobody has a correct question I'll try to get to know you you know what I mean like well you don't know I was a number but is drug because you never asked because you never thought and maybe have you ever ah drive a big car yes well matter of fact I used to be a number driver or any of you ever try to go to medical school well matter of fact
00:51:03
Jo
Yeah.
00:51:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:51:17
Jo
I get that.
00:51:31
Amelie
I wanted to be a real endless driver, like a second level. So I did this and that, da-da-da-da-da, you know what I mean?
00:51:35
Jo
Yeah.
00:51:37
Amelie
But it's everyone.
00:51:37
Jo
Very cool.
00:51:38
Amelie
It's everyone. We all have different facets.
00:51:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:51:42
Amelie
It's great.
00:51:42
Jo
Yeah.
00:51:43
Jo
And that's what Barry does really well. Barry will show different facets to each character. And we see all of the character arcs and the secondary characters might not always be secondary characters. Like detective Moss could be a secondary character.
00:51:57
Jo
She becomes primal. Even when she's not, we'll see it later seasons, even when she's not there, she's there by not being there. And it drives Gene's character later on, and it's going to drive Barry's character.
00:52:11
Jo
And all these things happen in motion, all because Barry couldn't kill the fucking guy going into acting class. If Barry kills Ryan when he was supposed to, none of this happens.
00:52:24
Amelie
and that's really interesting because in real life is the same each you decide to go somewhere or need to jump up with a key or you need the train are what's with her team are if i didn't make my trend i wouldn't have met any all uh...
00:52:34
Jo
Yeah.
00:52:40
Amelie
you have that said no to you that should touch i wouldn't have find a job or you can any neck life he don't like that it's really interesting to take one character
00:52:48
Jo
yeah
00:52:53
Amelie
boom boom boom, boom, boom, and make it more and more complicated and darker and darker. And I really believe that theory allowed Bill Hader to come from SNL, comic, ha-ha, he-he, goofy, to something dark, professional, and completely different.
00:53:14
Jo
Yeah, and to the point where just in case if Bill is fucking a method actor, I'm not going to fuck a Bill Hatter ever. Because I see what Barry can do. I don't i don't want to be that. Like, out of Bill, yes, sir, no, sir, that's all doing.
00:53:29
Jo
But we we have that.
00:53:29
Amelie
Thank you.
00:53:31
Jo
And as an old friend would say, history is made for all the wrong reasons. You know, you miss that train, you find someone, love of your life because you missed a train.
00:53:42
Jo
You go to work early, bad. You got fired that day while you met someone in line for soup. You know, it's all these things that we don't judge properly. We might judge them at the time, but we don't know how they really play out in our lives.
00:53:57
Jo
came came to Fuck. The reason reason I moved to Montreal was because I met someone that I thought was talking to my friend.
00:54:13
Jo
was like, oh, I know I don't want to talk to her. i mean you like her? You know, Danny. I thought I was like, they're they they're going to get better. But yeah, that's the reason why. Or I answer a random Facebook message from some motherfucker in France.
00:54:30
Jo
you know Or some bullshit like this. You never know what life's going to take you. What zigs and zags would you, know?
00:54:37
Amelie
Yeah, and it's crazy. Like, for example, Stefan. I met Stefan in a bar. was with three different guys that night. I was with a group of three guys. I went to the bar.
00:54:49
Jo
Phrasing.
00:54:49
Amelie
It's a crazy story. I go to Netherlands. I met a guy. We befriend, and i we exchanged telephone number. And it was at the time like self-catching was a thing.
00:55:00
Amelie
It was a website when you exchange couch, basically.
00:55:00
Jo
Yeah.
00:55:03
Amelie
You go to brag, and they come to me, la, la, la, la.
00:55:03
Jo
Oh yeah, a couch surfing. Got it. Yeah.
00:55:06
Amelie
At that time, I was living in Nova France. And one day, i had my director who knocked on my door, like, hey, you need to take five days off. It's mandatory, French law. So take the five days off. You can stay in the hostel if you want to. There's no problem already.
00:55:19
Amelie
But I would advise you to take the five days off. So i took the five days off, complained on Facebook. And my friend from Prague said, hey, come to Prague. It's not expensive. i would let you my sofa bed. And I'm saying, yes.
00:55:31
Amelie
So I came to Prague. And he's like, okay, two solutions. Either you go go with me to the bar or we go to a friend's house. And I'm like, I want to go to the bar. Went to the bar. Who was the barman?
00:55:41
Amelie
Stefan.
00:55:42
Jo
Oh, cool.
00:55:42
Amelie
So I was talking to two Brazilian guys, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Stefan was closing the bar and excuse me, we'll close the bar five minutes.
00:55:52
Jo
Do the accent.
00:55:52
Amelie
Thank you. Can I pay?
00:55:53
Jo
Come on. Do Stefan's accent. Good night, mate. We're closing the bomb.
00:55:55
Amelie
since
00:55:57
Jo
He's going to kick my ass when he sees him.
00:55:58
Amelie
I'm going to crack at a I can't watch it's not a yeah
00:56:00
Jo
No. Actually... No. that's You're doing the nasal, but Stefan kind of talks like Matt Barry, by the way. Have you ever seen...
00:56:11
Amelie
yes
00:56:12
Jo
Stefan talks like Matt Barry. So when I Stefan talk, I'm like, did you fucking marry Matt Barry? And like, what the fuck? I actually have to look to make sure it's him. But yeah, that's very cool way of meaning.
00:56:23
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, when you talk. No, but seriously, I was texting my dad to say everything is fine.
00:56:27
Jo
So.
00:56:30
Amelie
I'm in Prague. And he's like, come to me.
00:56:30
Jo
Yeah.
00:56:32
Amelie
And he's like, what a beautiful lady like you is doing it on phone while there is five guys around her.
00:56:38
Jo
What's a beautiful little like yeah
00:56:39
Amelie
And say, well, there is a sixth one. And we had a lovely conversation. What's her name? Stefan. I'm Eddie. I'm a receptionist. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:56:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:56:45
Amelie
And we had a lovely conversation about religion and stuff, which is telephone number just to be friends, because he had a girlfriend at that time. Was from Slovakia. and uh...
00:56:54
Amelie
i was not looking for a boyfriend because i was uh... thinking about going to canada because it was a big rush to canada and uh...
00:57:05
Amelie
yeah leave the bar of thinking okay i made a friend whatsoever will maybe i did show them facebook and forget about it and what up and now he's married with me and we have three kids back really if you have say to me you i'm from the future
00:57:12
Jo
yeah
00:57:22
Amelie
emily I'm Jo from the Ferture. That man is going to be your husband and you're going to have three kids. I would say get the fuck out, stop drinking. Simple as that because we just had a five-minute conversation.
00:57:32
Jo
to tell you this. Every Joe you see is Joe from the future. You can never talked to him Joe from the past.
00:57:36
Amelie
touch to yeah And you're killing my son.
00:57:37
Jo
I know. But yeah, it's Well, you know, I don't know. you're doing this and we're saying back with Barry, it's everyone's got these little things that happen for a reason and they move on, they move on, they move on, they move on.
00:57:50
Jo
Right. And then this is going interesting because what Barry does in this episode, he does it calculating. He is not on accident. He does it on purpose.
00:58:02
Jo
He packs a gun. he He has it taped to a tree and he shoots her. So what Barry does from now on out, we need to see that more of a calculating Barry. Barry's very calculating when he does hits, but now he's seeing his entire life as a hit.
00:58:17
Jo
And I think that's it that that's the difference. Barry's seeing his life as a hit. And so we're going to see what happens in series slash season two. And that's to come out, but not next week. Next week, Brannock and I did the best of Bruce Campbell.
00:58:33
Jo
Spoiler alert. well We just basically gushed over Bruce Campbell for a fucking hour. I don't think we even talked about a goddamn series in depth or in detail.
00:58:43
Jo
We just fucking talked about Bruce Campbell for an hour, which was nice. I liked it.
00:58:47
Amelie
Why not?
00:58:47
Jo
So after that, we're back with series two for Barry. All that and more on the next, next, next streaming demons. Love y'all. Deuces, likes, subscribes, and all that shit.
00:58:59
Jo
I hear a fucking cat. i hear cat. Bye, y'all.