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Barry S2E3 Breakdown: Rewritten Pasts, Real Pain & Braveheart Lies
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In this episode of Streamin’ Demons, Jo and Amelie dig deep into Barry S2E3: trauma, storytelling, and rewriting reality. From war monologues to abuse revelations, this one’s raw. Amelie shares a powerful personal story of surviving a street attack—and what it means to be believed. Jo and Amelie debate whether fiction helps or hurts when truth is too sharp to handle.
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🧠 KEY MOMENTS
- Opening Chaos – Jo and Amelie spiral into existential musings on writing, lies, and trauma.
- Main Plot – Barry rewrites his first kill… but whose truth is it?
- Character Study – Sally’s past confronts her. Is she a victim? A liar? Both?
- Jo’s Big Take – Veterans are discarded. Writing your truth might just destroy you.
- Amelie’s Reflection – A raw, personal story of being attacked in public and abandoned by bystanders.
- WTF Moment – “Please strangle me.” Sally goes full method and it’s deeply uncomfortable.
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Transcript
Intro
00:00:07
Jo
Hey everyone, Joe here with Amelie. Today, we're back with Barry.
00:00:09
Amelie
Hello.
00:00:13
Jo
Season 2, Episode 3. had to read it off the screen. And we want to say thanks for all the really weird views and likes. And please like and subscribe now because we're about to spoil the shit out of Barry.
00:00:28
Jo
Go for it. So Amelie, I got to ask ya. Episode three. My God. Season two. What did you just basically do you remember watching it for the first time?
00:00:44
Amelie
Yes, I really like it.
00:00:45
Jo
Like years ago? Yeah.
00:00:46
Amelie
So I really like it because it gives, as a subject, the subject of writing. Writing a book, being a writer, writing his own story, from reality to fiction.
00:00:59
Jo
Yeah.
00:01:01
Amelie
And it poses a number of questions, and I really like it. Often when we watch movies or series, you know, we just focus on the character, the actor, etc.
00:01:14
Amelie
And during a podcast, often we have a fight of was it the fault of the actor? Was it the fault of the writing? Or I really like that character or that actor, but not to say what happened.
00:01:22
Jo
Yeah. Like what messed up Yeah.
00:01:27
Amelie
And in this episode, you see the writing. But in different layers, like for example, we have Noel Hank who asked to read a book because his friend told him so.
00:01:32
Jo
Really?
00:01:40
Amelie
And the writer is an intellectual and he's got power. Also, we see Sally want to write about her past. And we realize writing can help her to get some power over the past, but at what cost?
00:01:48
Jo
Put a bit on that one.
00:01:57
Amelie
And then we have our main character who he wants to tell the truth. He wants to write, but he's like, ah, can I say that? Do I want to?
00:02:08
Jo
yeah
00:02:09
Amelie
So...
00:02:09
Jo
Yeah, we have all those things. And I appreciate that answer. and yeah I really didn't think about it as a writing thing. But you're right. You're correct, I should say. Otherwise, like, right, right, right. Welcome to English.
00:02:22
Jo
It where we see, well, first of all, we see NoHo Hank trying to struggle with the intellectual world of, you know, Cristobal is throwing him into.
00:02:37
Jo
And then we see Sally not just writing about her past to claim some power, physically rewriting the past.
00:02:50
Jo
Because she's making... and We assume Sally is embellishing or making things up on how the fight actually went. We assume this.
00:03:02
Jo
Because we assume that Sally is not an honest person. She could be telling the truth, but it's really weird how we automatically assume like, no, her friend, we've never met the friend before in our lives on camera.
00:03:15
Jo
And we believe the friend over Sally almost instantly.
00:03:20
Amelie
Yes.
00:03:21
Jo
It's weird. We have no, yeah, and we weren't there.
00:03:23
Amelie
It's really interesting.
00:03:26
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:03:26
Jo
You know, so we, you know, A, it didn't exist.
00:03:28
Jo
This is just Barry. It's not a real thing. But it's weird how we can almost automatically take the side of not the victim.
00:03:39
Jo
Because like, oh, Sally just making some crap up to make Sally feel better about herself. We automatically discard it. Saying she's lying. Instead of actually trying to believe her for a half minute.
00:03:53
Jo
Did you believe her at all when she's talking about, we'll get into the blah, blah, blah, know, later, but.
00:03:58
Amelie
I did not believe Salim.
00:03:58
Jo
the Why not?
00:04:00
Amelie
I did not believe Salim. From my personal perspective, she's in rage and she has rage.
00:04:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:09
Amelie
She's insulting the person in front of her. She sees a guy like somebody to knock out, right?
00:04:15
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:16
Amelie
She was a victim. I believe the mother over Skype would say, no, he beat you up, etc. She was there.
00:04:25
Jo
the The friend, not the mother.
00:04:25
Amelie
She was a witness. Yes.
00:04:27
Amelie
but She's a mother. She's a mother. She is a mother.
00:04:27
Jo
That's just a friend.
00:04:29
Jo
She's not Sally's mom.
00:04:31
Amelie
No, she's not Sally's mom, but she's a mother of kids. She say, I've got kids, I'm a mother.
00:04:36
Amelie
and then and know So I believe the mother. believe the friend. I believe her. um i believe she has rage. She wants to embolish the story.
00:04:36
Jo
Oh.
00:04:50
Amelie
She wished she could have said so.
00:04:52
Amelie
Why? Because I'm a victim myself. I was attacked on the street. And there's many times I just rewatch and rewatch and rewatch in my head. And at the end, I'm like, what if I say this or I say that and everything?
00:04:52
Jo
Yeah.
00:05:06
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:07
Amelie
And the reality is, no, somebody grabbed me by the ponytail. I saw a knee. I saw the sky and I was bleeding on my nose. I was left on the street. That's what happened. And ah sometimes it happens. In her situation, she wants to...
00:05:24
Amelie
to to write a story and makes a bad guy, etc. And she wants to get the truth out of it with a talk with her friend.
00:05:32
Jo
yeah
00:05:35
Amelie
And that's really honest, that's really great. But the friend's like, no, that's not what happened. What happened is I really remember her speech changed. And she's like, I'm not very comfortable to talk to about it.
00:05:45
Jo
Thank you.
00:05:47
Amelie
of Can we talk about it? Sure. um You went to Rooster. You danced with such and such. You came back home. He beat you up.
00:05:58
Amelie
He grabbed you by the neck because you had bruises and scratching on your neck. And we decided you were going to leave him. So I grabbed a baseball bat like he could help. We went.
00:06:09
Amelie
He was passed out on the floor. And you pick up a few things. And we left. And she looked. it's like, oh, do you remember saying that I say that, that, that. No, don't remember.
00:06:19
Amelie
No, no.
00:06:19
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:20
Amelie
So I believe her because... Yes, he's got rage and everything, and he's screaming and stuff, and he can feel the rage and everything. However, because the other character, the friends, change her intonation of voice when she's like, well, don't need that knife, this is what happened.
00:06:41
Amelie
I kind of believe her more.
00:06:41
Jo
know
00:06:45
Jo
Well, that's ah I believe the friend as well, but you you kind of glanced over something real quickly. you're like, oh, you know what happened to me? And I'm like, wait, what? So I know a bit about you. And again, welcome to the show where we ask personal questions to each other to make each other feel apparently... As she sits on the pillow. Uncomfortable.
00:07:08
Jo
No. If you don't want to answer, you don't have answer. um You said the ponytail and then knee and then you're about... Was that how you broke your nose? Was that that story?
00:07:20
Jo
Or is that a different time?
00:07:21
Amelie
Oh, knocked my nose several old times at the loading corner.
00:07:23
Jo
No, no, no, no, no. no You know exactly. you don't have to say it out loud. But is that the story where you had your nose?
00:07:31
Amelie
No, no, no, no.
00:07:33
Jo
Okay, so it's a different one.
00:07:34
Amelie
No, that's a different one.
00:07:36
Jo
Okay.
00:07:36
Amelie
ah
00:07:37
Jo
i don't We don't have to talk about the other one. Let's go back to the one you brought up then.
00:07:41
Amelie
No, I was walking down the street and ah was attacked.
00:07:46
Jo
Okay. So you never knew
00:07:47
Amelie
Simple as that.
00:07:48
Jo
just random
00:07:48
Amelie
I never knew a Everybody knew that a lot of people on the street knew who was who attacked me and it was a mistake She mis mistaken me with someone else She really mistaken me for someone else and she really fucked up.
00:07:59
Jo
oh
00:08:03
Amelie
She she's a she she's a girl. She's a girl. i Remember hearing somebody screaming on the street like I'm going to fuck you up, something like that, and running behind i me.
00:08:16
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:17
Amelie
And I thought, oh, somebody is going to have a hard time. I was walking down the street to go to the baker.
00:08:23
Amelie
And it was a Saturday that afternoon, by the way. And a beautiful day. And she grabbed me by the ponytail. I saw a knee, and she left me there. And I was completely, blah.
00:08:23
Jo
yeah
00:08:36
Amelie
And she said so something to me. She but insulted me, na, na, na, and left. And what happened is is apparently people told me that years later. She found out the next day that was not the right person.
00:08:50
Amelie
And she did low profile because I could have gone to the police and say, I know who knocked me out.
00:08:51
Jo
Wait, wait, wait.
00:08:58
Amelie
There were witnesses. There were people who knew but say nothing, right? And yeah, yeah, not cold day.
00:09:07
Jo
Okay. So, a she is undoubtedly a scumbag.
00:09:10
Amelie
Thank
00:09:14
Jo
um i'm just point I'm putting that out there. If you attack someone because you have rage
00:09:20
Jo
sure, maybe, whatever, that's still a crappy move for me. Like, especially if you're going to attack someone from behind, I think that's just a bitch move. But B, if you found out the next day that that wasn't even your true victim, you didn't apologize, like she never called you up and apologized, my God, you had to find out years later that she knew?
00:09:47
Amelie
No, I found out very quickly. People told me. People told me who broke my nose and everything.
00:09:53
Jo
Right.
00:09:56
Jo
But who? But you found out that that she knew.
00:09:57
Amelie
But I didn't have any proof it was her. And I think three years later, somebody during the party told me, yes, that girl, the reason she attacked you is because
00:10:07
Jo
I
00:10:15
Amelie
her boyfriend at the time, who went back, who get out was getting out of prison, by the way, so you can see the kind of person it is, apparently hit on a girl, like you see what I mean, like tried to seduce another girl, and she thought it was me, and because she saw me on the street, she's like, oh, it's her, so was she drunk, fucked up, and she...
00:10:20
Jo
was trying to buy you a car.
00:10:34
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:46
Amelie
jupa I don't know. i suppose. i suppose She saw me, she thought it was ah girl, and she grabbed me and bang, bang, bang, and boom.
00:10:49
Jo
Okay, but.
00:10:54
Jo
Right, right. But we're going back to the same part of skipping over.
00:10:54
Amelie
And...
00:10:56
Jo
Emily, you keep skipping over.
00:10:57
Amelie
Yeah. Uh-huh.
00:10:58
Jo
you You find out three years later that it was a case of mistaken identity. You found out three years later that she already knew for those three years that she attacked someone she did not mean to attack.
00:11:05
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:11:12
Jo
And she never apologized.
00:11:13
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:11:14
Jo
That's what I'm saying. That's a complete scumbag move. Like you shouldn't attack anyone, especially from behind, like just willy-nilly. But to know that you attacked the wrong person in your vengeance scheme and never apologize, she's trash.
00:11:32
Jo
A thousand percent. I hope she's getting help somewhere.
00:11:33
Amelie
No, she's not trash.
00:11:34
Jo
But that's a trash move.
00:11:35
Amelie
She's not trash. What is trash is people who saw me. No, no. The people who saw me on the street bleeding and did nothing.
00:11:46
Jo
That's bystander effect and they're trash as well.
00:11:46
Amelie
Once she was gone. That, that there's trash.
00:11:49
Jo
Yeah, but that's the whole, we don't want to get involved, someone else is going to do it.
00:11:51
Amelie
Her, her she smoked. Her she has ah no, no, you understand what I mean. like that and it was in no
00:11:57
Jo
you Can we say they're all trash?
00:11:59
Amelie
yeah
00:12:02
Jo
They're all trash. Emily, someone attacked you from behind because they thought you were someone else. That is a pussy move, first of all. Second part, she finds out quickly she attacked the wrong person. And like a coward, she did never apologized to you.
00:12:20
Jo
You had to find out three years later that you were victimized by someone who mistook you for someone else.
00:12:21
Amelie
it's a
00:12:27
Jo
That is a trash move.
00:12:28
Amelie
Well, it's a great lesson. song It's a great lesson of why I left not for friends. Do you understand? forgive her because shea she is in hell already.
00:12:35
Jo
There you
00:12:39
Amelie
Her boyfriend at the time went to prison, came out of prison.
00:12:41
Jo
go. She's the north of France.
00:12:43
Amelie
She really loves the dude, right? She really loves the dude. And he hit on another girl, meaning she was cheating on. She must have drank, take some pill whatever.
00:12:52
Jo
Yeah.
00:12:53
Amelie
She saw the girl who must have stole her boyfriend, right? She ran, she grabbed me, she blown and she left. She found out it's the wrong girl.
00:13:06
Amelie
And I'm like, you know, I'm not going to add to your misery girl. Like, no, what pissed me off is, i don't care.
00:13:11
Jo
No, but she can say sorry.
00:13:16
Amelie
What pissed me off is the people around who didn't have the balls to come up to me and, or call something or try to help me or whatsoever.
00:13:25
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:26
Amelie
Right? And number but two, her fantastic friend came to me and say her name. This is that person. This is the address. Yeah, but I don't have a witness.
00:13:39
Amelie
Were you there when she attacked me? Are you sure? yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:43
Jo
Ah.
00:13:44
Amelie
Yeah, why you didn't come out of your house? Why you didn't but why you didn't call the fire brigade in ambulance or something? Like I just got attacked. Hey, there's a girl who just got attacked in front of me.
00:13:55
Amelie
And you want me? to push her under the bus? And I'm like, no, no, no, thank you. You gave me rage and that rage, I'm going to use it to work, save money and fuck off and never come back.
00:14:07
Amelie
And it's just a broken nose. What about if I was raped or murdered or something, right?
00:14:13
Jo
Yeah, no shit. Well, if you're a murderer, we wouldn't be having this podcast.
00:14:16
Amelie
So from a perspective of that girl who got fucked and drunk probably and take medication and stuff and her boyfriend who came out from prison, cheat on her and she grumpy and the rage she had to just attack a person out of blind rage I'm like she's already in hell and her friends just push her under the bus I'm like prefer not know you know what I mean like oh that happened no no no I'm not the only one with that situation is may like look in Germany had a car accident I was victim of a hit and run
00:14:42
Jo
Okay.
00:14:53
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:54
Amelie
like I could have died, you know, so am I going to wait for the person to understand why did you laugh like that and let us die or something like that? No, no, like I'm in rage with the people who didn't come and help me on the street.
00:15:09
Amelie
I'm not in rage against her. I've fought about her. It's been over 20 years, you know, 20, 25 years.
00:15:16
Jo
yeah
00:15:16
Amelie
I'm sorry for her. I'm sorry for the hell she's living in to get drunk, attack somebody by mistake. Imagine, she attacked me.
00:15:27
Amelie
Police come. People say it's her. She attacked you. She goes to trial. She attacks somebody on the street without, like, completely... She's fucked. Her life is fucked.
00:15:39
Amelie
And I'm like, that person is already fucked. She must be fucked. She must be either dead or...
00:15:44
Jo
Well, the thing is, I'm going to play, as the United States says, devil's advocate. What if she did that sober? And that was just how she got fun. Maybe there's like, it's a beautiful day out.
00:15:55
Jo
I'm going to text someone right now.
00:15:59
Jo
And then she just did it randomly.
00:15:59
Amelie
No. No, no, no, because I remember her yelling, being really in rage, and...
00:16:02
Jo
The next beautiful day, someone else did. Yeah, maybe that's fun for her.
00:16:07
Amelie
no, no, no, no.
00:16:08
Jo
Maybe that's just like, yeah.
00:16:12
Jo
Maybe that's her, like maybe that's like her going to the movies, you know? Some people go to the movies, some people rage attack.
00:16:19
Amelie
But everybody knows she rage attack. But, pfft, don't care.
00:16:24
Jo
Maybe that's her thing.
00:16:24
Amelie
Like...
00:16:25
Jo
Maybe that's how she gets fun.
00:16:28
Amelie
don't think so I don't think so you look
00:16:28
Jo
you know
00:16:31
Jo
Or, or hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. I'm going to do a conspiracy. I'm doing conspiracy today. You know, did this happen after you rejected the guy who was bringing you meat?
00:16:41
Amelie
no no no the meat came after the meat came after because I i was a teenager and i was a teenager no no no that's interesting because when I was ah teenager like between 11 and
00:16:43
Jo
me Oh man, there goes my conspiracy theory. i'm like, he's getting revenge on you. You were a teen. Oh my God, kid.
00:16:55
Amelie
and 15 years old 15 including 16 I was really bullied I was like a real nerd and stuff like that I was like like you you know like you when you were a teenager teenager then I started to work at the McDonald's and everything changed I went to McDonald's and everything changed
00:16:59
Jo
yeah
00:17:11
Jo
Oh, sorry. didn't know that happened. Wait, you you got bullied until you worked at McDonald's? So you're like, McDonald's is the cool job in France? Like, oh, I can't wait to work at McDonald's.
00:17:21
Amelie
no no because people who work at McDonald's most of them are what we call casoccial, social case worker, social case. It's people who have children when they're teen, it's people who have drug issues, people who died in months or coughed or kicked them out when they were 18 years old.
00:17:31
Jo
Okay.
00:17:38
Amelie
They were needing the job. They were giving job at 16 years old only to kids who really deserved it, who were really in the shit. um For example, I had one of my colleagues, a mother had a heart attack when she was a teenager.
00:17:51
Jo
Right. Yeah.
00:17:52
Amelie
And when she died, the father became an alcoholic. So she had to look after her brother and sister.
00:17:56
Jo
right
00:17:56
Amelie
So they gave her a job at 16 years old. People who just wanted to work a little bit to get married and be a housewife. You know, have three children, be begged by the government.
00:18:07
Amelie
So to have a kind of retirement and some money aside, they would work at McDonald's.
00:18:11
Jo
yeah yeah
00:18:13
Amelie
So by working McDonald's, I kind of became one of those who bullied me. And they had more.
00:18:22
Jo
Yeah. Right.
00:18:22
Amelie
I kind of say respect. ah her is I heard respect these ah because they were like, you may be an intelligent girl or a smart monkey, but you walk and you do night shift with us and you help us out, et cetera.
00:18:26
Jo
yeah
00:18:33
Jo
right
00:18:33
Amelie
And I get to know them and find out some of them are really trying, but the dad is a fucking alcoholic or Luke has a bad reputation because my mother was a prostitute. And I'm like, oh, you didn't know that. dadada dada da And they all have dreams, you know, and they have all their own hell.
00:18:50
Amelie
And now I'm going to tell you that, my friend. Now I live in Prague, Czech Republic.
00:18:53
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:55
Amelie
Whenever there is an accident around Air Soledis, like a family or people who are the age of my parents die in a car accident or there is a problem or something happened in Moulin-le-Comte, they always share the article on Facebook.
00:18:58
Jo
yeah
00:19:08
Amelie
They tag me, they message me. When there was the attack in Paris and say where the police was in Soclin because they thought the terrorist was in Soclin, Everybody started to call me via Facebook.
00:19:20
Amelie
When my friend Sebastian from university died and did the front page, no one at the university, no one of my classmates contacted me to say, hey, are you aware Sebastian had an accident?
00:19:33
Amelie
Like you see the difference. So...
00:19:37
Jo
wow Welcome to the depressing asking talk. Welcome to depression season two ah depression.
00:19:42
Amelie
But you like... Look, I...
00:19:45
Jo
No.
00:19:46
Amelie
It's really strange because... We've been friends for 15 years and you know my secret. I know your secret. la la la la la la la but that's better
00:19:54
Jo
My secret is this, by the way.
00:19:54
Amelie
um Why are you so interested on my nose? Like my broken nose just fascinates you. How many times you ask me questions about my nose? like its
00:20:05
Jo
I don't.
00:20:05
Amelie
Why are you so interesting?
00:20:05
Jo
That's only twice. You brought it up. If you play this back, Emily, you actually physically brought it up.
00:20:12
Amelie
Yes, I broke it up. True, but whenever we met, when whenever we see each other and you're always like, have to ask about your nose, i have to ask about your nose and your nose.
00:20:14
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:22
Amelie
So, you know, when you say the story of what exactly, like you have a fascination my nose. Is that because I'm very beautiful, but my nose is broken and I refuse to do a plastic surgery with my nose?
00:20:33
Amelie
Because a lot of people say that to me.
00:20:34
Jo
Oh.
00:20:35
Amelie
Oh, you would be so beautiful if your nose was not broken. Why don't you do plastic surgery?
00:20:38
Jo
I had no idea your nose was broken until you told me. I had no idea. I just thought that's how you were.
00:20:46
Amelie
but It's a part of me, you know, it's my broken nose.
00:20:46
Jo
i mean, yeah.
00:20:49
Amelie
And I really like my broken nose because my mom has a broken nose too, you know. And
00:20:54
Jo
Runs in the family. That's genetic.
00:20:56
Amelie
yeah, haha, yeah. She was from... Her dad was an alcoholic and he was terrible. She left the family when she was 18 and she got married with my dad when she was 18.
00:21:11
Amelie
Often my parents say to me, we didn't want it to marry straight away. We wanted to live together and later on have a good ceremony, which they did one year later. But yeah, it's running the family. We have a broken nose.
00:21:24
Amelie
That's all. And it's always a beautiful story, you know.
00:21:25
Jo
and Okay.
00:21:27
Jo
Cool. and Now, when you're doing this, you're you're doing exactly what you're saying that Sally and Barry and a little bit of NoHoHank do. And that's right there, history.
00:21:38
Amelie
Hmm.
00:21:40
Jo
And this is all about, what is it, the past equals the present times the future over yesterday, right? So you just kind of gave an example of that.
00:21:48
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:21:51
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:21:52
Jo
Because you were talking about things, like Sally was trying to re-go on how she left Sam, which spoiler alert, her ex-husband's name, or maybe her current husband's don't know if they're legally divorced yet or not.
00:22:02
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:22:06
Jo
And then we see this with Gene trying to rewrite his history by giving his son the cabin. And the son's like, you mean the place where you're your girlfriend was murdered? Like, no.
00:22:20
Jo
fucking gross, right? We see Hank. I think it actually opens up with Hank rewriting his history in a daydream about being the most powerful man and basically on the planet, power-wise, you know?
00:22:35
Jo
And we see that with Sally trying to read, you know, i said how she lives her ex-husband. And we see it with, well, we see it with Barry twice. Because Barry tries to recount how he was in Afghanistan.
00:22:54
Jo
But then changes the scene slightly. and then rewrites it into something else entirely. He kind of rips off another movie. And then you see it with Barry again.
00:23:05
Jo
When he ends up kind of seeing... um
00:23:10
Jo
Okay, I'm not going to spoil too much, but Fuchs at the very end, Barry rewrites it a little bit by forgetting all the crappy things that Fuchs did to him.
00:23:21
Jo
And just accepting Fuchs as he is. So this is a bit about rewriting your own history and trying to control your future.
00:23:32
Jo
By controlling, if you can rewrite your history, your past history, your whatever it obviously it's redundant saying past history, you could then control who you are now.
00:23:33
Amelie
Okay, yeah.
00:23:40
Jo
Does that make sense?
00:23:43
Amelie
Yes, but here's the thing. I would like to jump on that about Barry.
00:23:47
Jo
Yeah.
00:23:48
Amelie
I like the first version when he had me, he has having positive feelings about it.
00:23:49
Jo
Anything else you want to jump on?
00:23:55
Amelie
When he says there is an esprit, there is a spirit of camaraderie. I was very proud for my first kill.
00:24:01
Jo
Yeah.
00:24:01
Amelie
He tells the truth. The first version, he tells the truth. And he stopped. And he's like, no, I can't say that. And that's interesting because he censored himself.
00:24:10
Jo
Yeah.
00:24:12
Amelie
When I watched the first time and I saw that, I'm like, great, good, do that. It's fantastic. It reminds me of Janet McAurdy books. I'm glad my mom died.
00:24:22
Amelie
We want that. We want a soldier from Afghanistan.
00:24:25
Jo
yeah
00:24:25
Amelie
who's like, I was very happy in Afghanistan. I was doing the greater good. I was a soldier. I was killing for my nation. I was very happy. Thank you for your service kind of thing. We want that. We would love to have a story about that, right?
00:24:38
Amelie
And he stopped and he censored himself. And then he's like, no, I'm going to change and pivot the story to something else.
00:24:41
Jo
Let's
00:24:46
Amelie
I'm going to say it. The day I killed someone, but to save somebody. And you have the scene, they're talking to one another, and somebody got shot in the jaw.
00:24:52
Jo
see someone, yeah.
00:24:56
Amelie
He tried to help his friend, and he turned and he sees something. So i'm like, yeah, great, why not? You want to talk about something that is traumatic, but personal, and you're ashamed of it, but you're going to turn a little bit.
00:25:09
Amelie
Yes, I killed someone, but for the greater good, my friend was is in danger, And I was right. And he's right. Why is a murderer a murderer when he kills outside of war, but not during war?
00:25:23
Amelie
If you just take about the tail track you the the theater zone and without knowing Barry, okay?
00:25:29
Jo
Right.
00:25:30
Amelie
Let's be general. And I really like to see him struggling. And I really like the scene ah in Lululemon because it reminds me of Westworld.
00:25:41
Amelie
Have you ever watched Westworld?
00:25:45
Jo
The original or the remake?
00:25:48
Amelie
the original Westworld that's race sorry I pronounce very badly and each the it's a scene where I don't know if the name is the same in English it's ah two guys who want to be rock star and it's very funny haha and there is a scene where yeah
00:26:04
Jo
Oh, no, Westworld, that that's a and where the robots were being reprogrammed. No, that's a completely different.
00:26:12
Amelie
there is another title for the movie in France anyway
00:26:13
Jo
I don't know what you're talking about.
00:26:15
Amelie
And there is a scene where they're like, ah so we need to do a promotion.
00:26:16
Jo
Okay.
00:26:19
Amelie
Yes, you need to do promotion because, you know, ah we need to to make money and stuff. And they've got the pizza box from from Pizza Hut.
00:26:33
Jo
Okay.
00:26:33
Amelie
And there in the scene, you see his friend with a cap, black cap, and Lululemon on it. And he sits just like a wink-wink to...
00:26:45
Jo
Yeah.
00:26:46
Amelie
to some scenarists, and he's like, look, when you watch Bravarts, the guy die and everything, but it's not theater, it's not cinema. We don't care about honesty. What we care about is entertainment.
00:26:58
Amelie
So you have the scene of Bravarts. So what I would suggest you do is you write your scene and everything where it takes place, and then you do a Bravarts beautiful speech like Bravarts, which doesn't work because explains his scene, he reads his scene in front of Mr.
00:27:13
Jo
yeah
00:27:13
Amelie
Kessono. Mr. Kessono, I love that scene. He enters in Afghanistan. He's like, what the fuck are you doing, Barry? I'm Jewish. This is shit. You're doing bravart. It's not bravart. Don't know.
00:27:24
Amelie
It's bravart. And he's like, this is not working. I want honest. I want drama dramatic. I want truth. I want raw. And that's interesting to see the three stories.
00:27:35
Amelie
First one is the truth, but it's on himself. Second one, it's okay. I'm going to pivot. Said I killed, but I save a friend. And the third one is like, no, I don't need to be raw and truth and honest.
00:27:51
Amelie
This is cinema. This is beautiful. I'm going to do a speech.
00:27:54
Jo
Right.
00:27:55
Amelie
He's right.
00:27:55
Amelie
That's how it goes.
00:27:55
Jo
um Okay.
00:27:57
Jo
Well, you you went pretty far and deep with this one. So let me back up a bit so I can respond. but ah You were saying that there are no differences between killing in war and killing on the street. One, you're a soldier. One, you're a murderer. that's what you're saying?
00:28:15
Jo
Kind of like the chunking of it.
00:28:15
Amelie
mm-hmm yeah in the philosophic way
00:28:20
Jo
do you okay right Do you see how at least Western society treats people who commit murder? What do they do? They put them in jail usually, right?
00:28:32
Amelie
correct yes yeah but like now in America I mean
00:28:33
Jo
Do you see how Western society treats ah veterans when they come back from war?
00:28:45
Jo
No, do you? What did they do?
00:28:46
Amelie
I've been to a...
00:28:51
Amelie
But it's a celebration, apparently, especially America, in North America and USA.
00:28:52
Jo
because No, they don't. They give them lip service and then they let them rot, usually on the street, homeless or without help, without medical, really, because TRICARE is crap.
00:29:07
Jo
So they still stigmatize the people who went to war for that country.
00:29:08
Amelie
Which, like...
00:29:14
Jo
And they distance themselves pretty fucking far, except for thank you for our service.
00:29:18
Amelie
Which one? Which one?
00:29:19
Jo
Oh, that happens.
00:29:20
Amelie
Because if it's Vietnam, yes.
00:29:22
Jo
Any fucking war.
00:29:22
Amelie
If it's Afghan... Dude, bro, my friend, no, stop. Afghanistan, they change everything. There is a lot of association, a lot of money from the government was giving.
00:29:31
Jo
You're saying there's no Afghanistan veterans that are homeless right now. That's fucking ignorant.
00:29:35
Amelie
I'm sure there is!
00:29:36
Jo
I'm so sorry. No.
00:29:37
Amelie
I'm sure there And there is money from the government. Like in America, there is hell, there is situation, there is thing. Like... It's not glorious, glorious, but there is.
00:29:49
Jo
I'm sorry, man.
00:29:51
Amelie
Okay. Have you been talking to veterans from the world of Afghanistan? Because my husband and I, we know a lot of veterans from Afghanistan.
00:30:02
Jo
Yeah, I do.
00:30:02
Amelie
From our generation.
00:30:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:30:06
Amelie
Like you say, oh, how they treated and everything. ah Yes, but it's more in the idea of fight as a sickle. Like, oh, you're soldier, you kill. Of course, you kill because you're a soldier.
00:30:17
Amelie
But if you kill, ah you walk down the street and you kill somebody, you'll murder her. Through the eyes, you know, of the law.
00:30:28
Jo
I mean, you guys can talk to all your friends at point, but this is what I grew up with. um So i'm I'm never going to see it that way. a lot of my friends, because I grew up during ah nine eleven and so a lot of my friends went to Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 fucking years.
00:30:48
Jo
No one comes back the same if they come back at all. Some people get help, some don't. And if you've ever seen...
00:30:55
Amelie
Yeah, but what it is to do with...
00:30:56
Jo
ifve ever seen If you ever see, Emily, one second, one second.
00:30:58
Amelie
but what
00:31:01
Jo
If you ever seen people homeless because the government screwed them over after they went to risk their lives for whatever fucking mission they went to Afghanistan for. Yeah, that's the lived reality for people who i grew up with.
00:31:16
Amelie
Okay, cool, but what's the link between... I'm a murderer if I kill somebody on the street and I'm not a murderer if I go to war and I kill somebody.
00:31:30
Amelie
What's the link with this and the government not taking good care of people coming back to their war?
00:31:37
Jo
Because they're stained. You still have that stain on you. People don't want to be around people who kill. Still.
00:31:44
Amelie
Yes, but with Barry.
00:31:50
Jo
Barry even said if he tells him the truth about how he was celebrating his first kill, no one's going like it That's his inherent darkness and venom. That's what he was calling it.
00:32:03
Jo
You know?
00:32:03
Amelie
Okay. So it's censoring. As a writer, you, as a writer, have you ever found yourself in a situation when you want to tell a story, you're writing your chapter, da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and you stop and you're like, yeah, I can't. i can't I can't publish that.
00:32:20
Amelie
Or I can't share that because people are going to be and not going to accept this or You see what I mean? Have you found yourself in that situation?
00:32:28
Jo
No, my book got banned places for it.
00:32:34
Jo
No.
00:32:38
Jo
No. I mean, I wrote a memoir, so if I found that I'll be rewriting that.
00:32:39
Amelie
Thank
00:32:42
Jo
Yeah, i mean, we all kind of rewrite things anyways, but no. No, and as a result, my book got banned. As a result, I got some really great judge feedback.
00:32:56
Jo
As a result, some people won't ever read it. As a result, it may or may not go anywhere. And there's there's parts of the book where people are quite upset at me to have in.
00:33:11
Jo
But that didn't change them.
00:33:15
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:33:15
Amelie
And when you watch the episode of Barry with the writing, etc., do you feel some connection with your personal experience?
00:33:24
Jo
No.
00:33:27
Jo
so I didn't really see it as writing. I see what you're saying now about going through it and there's there's been some reflection of it, of course, but I didn't see it as them really trying to write a novel, like trying to get into a character, make a scene as a different mindset than working with something for like a decade.
00:33:49
Jo
You know, but yeah, so when we have this We have a lot of things that focus on restructuring. And one of the things that the restructuring is Noah Ho-Hank wants Barry not just to kill, but to train his own army.
00:34:08
Jo
If he has his own army, you know, his own army, then he can take on people himself.
00:34:18
Jo
And that goes about as well as you think it would be. Remember, they have that translator, and Barry's like, can they understand everything I say? Like, can you guys speak English type things? They're like, yeah, we all speak English. It's like, what are you here for then?
00:34:33
Jo
you know So we have all these things, right? So you have, let's start off, then we'll do the beat by beat now. So we have NoHo Hank is in his big dream.
00:34:46
Jo
where he's taking the intellectual power, right? And then he is like, oh, does something happen to Esther? Oh, no And turned out that Esther's right there. He's like, oh, no. Like, what the hell just happened?
00:35:01
Jo
So...
00:35:01
Amelie
Yeah, and you have the point of view from him, from his story.
00:35:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:06
Amelie
He's like, oh my God, something happened, da da da, and she's there, and he's like, oh yeah, who did that?
00:35:08
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:14
Amelie
Is it just a pyme, or is it the horse? I wonder if it's a rose, and he's like, oh, corrupt I fucked up, you can see what I mean? That's really funny.
00:35:25
Jo
Yeah, and then what what does Cristobal do? they They send Hank and his people out to a storage shed to live.
00:35:34
Jo
You know? This is like the new place.
00:35:34
Amelie
Yeah, big down, big down ground. Bang.
00:35:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:38
Amelie
bang
00:35:38
Jo
Instead of like the whole swing pool of things, like, oh, I got like a storage unit now. And then Hank's like, well, looks like I to kill Barry because that's the that's the loose end right now. And Barry attacked for some reason. Why would Barry attack them all, right?
00:35:53
Jo
And then we see like Barry preparing for the monologue. And then then this is where the writing comes back in. So we have Noho Hanks version of rewriting his past by his dream, right? And then Barry is preparing them the monologue about the Coringal Valley.
00:36:08
Jo
And he's like, well, maybe I can do it on the first time I saved a life. And part of that may or may not have been true, but he starts embellishing to the Braveheart part where the balls are missing him and stuff like that, right?
00:36:22
Amelie
And I want to punish you for last time because you, my dear friend and we had a heated argument about Barry lying or not lying.
00:36:35
Amelie
Ah-ha!
00:36:36
Jo
He's lying.
00:36:36
Amelie
Ah-ha! Ah-ha! So Barry, in the previous episode, was pinned in the corner by Kusuno to tell the first time he killed.
00:36:47
Amelie
And there was this, what we called in French, two actors come up and they're like fake crying and stuff.
00:36:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:54
Amelie
And Mr. Cusunotan turned to Barry and said, is this what happened?
00:36:57
Jo
Very.
00:36:59
Amelie
And Barry said, ah yeah, but he was peed in the corner. And I was like, it's not lying. It's just he was peed in the corner and he had to say yeah and voila.
00:37:07
Jo
is lying.
00:37:10
Jo
no
00:37:13
Amelie
And it's not. Lying is just, okay, well, if the story is like that, yeah, sure. But Mr. Cousseneau, in the second episode, he's like pushing Barry to be honest, to not do bravart, to not, no, no, no, I want the kill, the role, the see, the that.
00:37:24
Jo
they
00:37:32
Amelie
And you see Barry really want to tell the truth, but he's like, hu should I tell the truth? Should I do Hollywood, etc.?
00:37:41
Amelie
should i do a you but city um So it's not lying. like you We even have with Sally, who's like, I want to tell the truth and everything.
00:37:41
Jo
yeah
00:37:48
Jo
It's lying.
00:37:52
Amelie
So is embellishing story lying when it's for art?
00:37:56
Jo
Yes. No, watch.
00:37:58
Amelie
Your answer is yes.
00:37:59
Jo
Let me explain. Let me explain this. Barry is lying because Gene said this is how it happened. And once he says, yeah. Gene then thinks that's the truth.
00:38:12
Jo
But that's not the truth. You can retell something, but if the main emotion is laughter and joy you know joy from killing someone, and like, no, no, I was crying like a little girl. I was crying like a little, you know, then that's an absolute lie. That's not a creative retelling of something.
00:38:33
Jo
Creative retelling of something, for example, would be making my friend Gene Kennedy into a little person because I thought that would be funny in the story. I even gave him a French accent because why not?
00:38:48
Jo
But the rest of the stuff that Gene does is truthful.
00:38:53
Jo
You know? Barry lies about his background. Barry lies about experience. with Barry lies. I'm not saying that someone wouldn't lie in that situation, especially if people are like, oh, you're a monster if you say no.
00:39:09
Jo
But it's still a lie. Sally lies. We all believe that Sally is lying, at least, when she says that she stood up to her abusive ex-husband. She's rewriting her own past.
00:39:23
Amelie
At the beginning, you can believe her in some cases because you're like, okay, it's maybe possible one day she had enough and she wanted to break free.
00:39:33
Amelie
How many women murdered their husband because they got beaten up or illegibly beaten up or this kind of thing, or you had enough and self-defense and out ofpost of both of rage.
00:39:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:39:43
Amelie
It happened. But it's more the idea of she wants to break free. break free from that terrible situation because she didn't want to be a victim as we could see in the previous episode when she was like, I don't want to play victim because have the feeling I'm a victim of being abused and being married for so many years with ah my abuser, you know.
00:40:06
Amelie
So it's interesting to see the different situation from the victim, ah soldier, and somebody who is in heart and somebody who kind of lying you know in the mafia
00:40:23
Jo
Yeah. And then that goes into what happens next to Barry's rewriting a scene in his own place and then gunshots come through. Like the sniper shots.
00:40:34
Amelie
I love that scene it's
00:40:35
Jo
And he's like, what the shit?
00:40:39
Jo
Yeah, and that was a good scene. It really was. And it kind of like shows where the the two lives of Barry are starting to cross over again. where he's not just saved by being the actor and being with Sally and all these normal things.
00:40:54
Jo
People are trying to kill him, which means he's putting Sally in danger as well, without even knowing it.
00:40:59
Amelie
I like that scene because he's in a place which is really uncomfortable. He's writing about something with personal, his first kill.
00:41:07
Jo
Yeah.
00:41:09
Amelie
He would love to tell the truth and say, well, I was in the army in Afghanistan and I was very proud. I had an esprit of camaraderie. had my friends and my first kill. Everybody was so proud of you of me.
00:41:21
Amelie
I'm going to tell you, it was the best day of my life. And he could have gone like this, and he raised, raised, raised, raised. He's like, no, I'm not going to say that.
00:41:31
Amelie
And he focused on his scene, and we are in Afghanistan. He pivote and everything, so we ran into the storytelling. And I can see at that precise moment, Bill Adder.
00:41:44
Amelie
I don't see Barry, I see Bill. I see Bill thinking about the scene, thinking about the writing, thinking about the world.
00:41:47
Jo
Really? Yeah.
00:41:52
Amelie
And okay, I'm going to pivot that scene that way with that character. i'm going to change it. And it's going to do a sort of domino effect. If I'm a killer, but this time, it's because I saved a friend.
00:42:03
Jo
yeah
00:42:07
Amelie
We are here. We're talking. We are with the villagers. We refuse to pay back the villagers for the sheep who got killed. but And somebody got hit. Bang. And that scene is so striking and so interesting and captivated.
00:42:22
Amelie
and boom it stopped like should I should I not and you hear you you and back to reality back to body being a killer not just a writer and here whoop he's a superman he goes to the other building and he's back to what is really good
00:42:46
Jo
Yeah, and he he completely takes out, well, he neutralizes, let's say, the guy trying to kill on the sniper. And and behold, we see like Hank Swift. I'm like, hey, what are you doing?
00:42:59
Jo
And Hank tries to explain things, and they make an agreement if Barry trains, doesn't have to kill no one, just trains Hank's people, the debt is clean.
00:43:12
Jo
We're all good. So, you know, Barry's like, yeah, why not? Give it a shot. but And so you you see that, and then we cut directly to, as we talked about before, Where Gene is trying to give his son like the cabin. Like, I didn't give you nothing. Here's my property. He's like, that's gross. That's where your girlfriend got murdered.
00:43:32
Jo
I don't want that.
00:43:34
Jo
And then, so it's like, we're setting up Gene's son for a beat again. Then we move on something else.
00:43:42
Amelie
but I like the way he presents the house like to giving me your your house I don't want to have a holiday house no no no see it as a side project you and I we can rent it we can can look after the garden like do you want free work no no no separate and I really like that because the house within the forest is not in LA by itself it's just between you and I it all site project it's doing the garden rent it if you want
00:43:42
Jo
Yeah.
00:43:51
Jo
Yeah, not that one.
00:44:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:44:12
Amelie
It's a house and a house, it's a symbol of family. So let's be family, let's reconnect, which is a good idea. However, it's really creeped because from the perspective of the son is like, you're giving me the house when your girlfriend got murdered?
00:44:26
Amelie
What the fuck, dude?
00:44:27
Jo
yeah
00:44:27
Amelie
And you can buy craft a year. So that's what I love this episode because it's episode play also on the perspective of different character. like the perspective from Hank, the perspective from the mafia, the perspective from the lady who was supposed to be dead, who has suspicion towards Hank.
00:44:46
Amelie
And the idea of Mr. Kosino is like, I had an idea, we're going to work together on my home, we're going to be family, we're going to reconnect.
00:44:53
Jo
yeah
00:44:53
Amelie
And the son is like, what the fuck? So the cabin when your girlfriend got murdered? And you're like, oh, you know, so it's very lively.
00:45:00
Jo
Right. And that goes on how the rest of people ah ah look at the murders because Gene is just kind of like, ah, you know. And the son's like, no, I don't want that. Like, that's the murder house. I don't want that.
00:45:15
Jo
And we talk about, next thing we see is like, after Barry tries to instruct the sections who can't hit the broad side of a barn, which is a a great comic, it's a great comic relief scene, but it also shows you just how how inept people could be.
00:45:31
Jo
Like, yeah, like we're got a bunch of people, who's ever fired a gun before? like oh No one, okay. Who knows what a gun is? Okay, that's how you hold it. So you see that. And then he's just trying to get off his mind and we go into, Barry leaves and he finds, you know, course, Louis Lemon, because, you know, she gets, you know, I like stutter five times.
00:45:57
Jo
He gets a text like, oh, can I please, you know, sure, I'll cover for you, whatever. And she goes like, oh, dummy, this dummy covers for me. Like, oh, wrong person. Yeah, whatever. So Barry's being used again. So he goes a little limit and Fuchs runs into him, right?
00:46:10
Jo
And it's like, oh my God, you think Fuchs is going to get just slapped down? No. Fuchs, again, Barry rewrites his past with Fuchs and figures all the bad stuff and focuses only on the camaraderie of him.
00:46:24
Jo
And even while they're talking, they start hugging and crying and stuff like that. But Barry asks, yeah.
00:46:31
Amelie
Yeah, I would like to have a window of opportunity to talk.
00:46:36
Jo
Yeah.
00:46:37
Amelie
I really like that scene because when Barry was talking to his girlfriend, she's like, oh, I feel really good. I spoke to my friend to do a reality check. that i he did Oh, gregor great, great, great. He's like, so how is your piece?
00:46:51
Amelie
I can't. I can't. i want to censor. No, no, no. You need to be raw and everything. Yeah, but I don't know how to to do it. And she's like, why don't you contact your married friend? He went to Afghanistan with you.
00:47:03
Amelie
It's somebody who lives that, who can understand you. And she's right.
00:47:06
Jo
Yeah, the one that's dead.
00:47:07
Amelie
Like, if you're an alcoholic, you're going to be understood way better by somebody who is ah is an alcoholic or used to be an alcoholic. I forget the word. Or if, for example, you do drugs and you have drug issue, you will be understood by somebody who did the same drug like you.
00:47:23
Amelie
Like how many times I met people at the hotels like, well, had problems with alcohol. I tried to open it to my family and they were like, go to a psychologist and I just needed to talk to somebody who would understand.
00:47:34
Amelie
So I find this AA meeting, you know, and it was really good to talk with people who went through the same thing without being judged.
00:47:39
Jo
Yeah.
00:47:43
Amelie
Like, hey, I started like this one bottle, two bottles. And one day I woke up and I was completely back out, you know, because people judge that that's the way it is. So it's really interesting, this little moment when he's sitting with Barry, they talk, he's like, no, you just have to do Hollywood, you know, I love you the way you are.
00:48:00
Amelie
And there's this intimacy, you know. And that's really important when you're an adult.
00:48:04
Jo
yeah
00:48:06
Amelie
Because when you're teenager, you've got friends everywhere. You've got friends when you go to sports, you've got friends at school, you got friends because, you know, your child. And then you become an adult and you have your mistake, your responsibility and stuff.
00:48:15
Jo
When you're a teenager, or you might have friends everywhere.
00:48:21
Jo
And as Emily only freezes up a bit, there, you finger back?
00:48:21
Amelie
Pardon?
00:48:28
Amelie
Yes, you too?
00:48:28
Jo
Maybe. Yeah.
00:48:29
Amelie
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:31
Jo
for For that. Sorry, you're freezing up on and off right now. But as the hamster wheels in Prague run faster for the internet.
00:48:37
Amelie
Yeah, I know. know, I know, I knew i know.
00:48:42
Jo
There But yeah, you brought that up. And um I just thank you for bringing that up because forgot that scene where Settler is like, why don't you talk to your Marine friend, like Chris, and we're like, oh, he can't because he killed him.
00:48:54
Jo
Spurrier's like, oh, yeah, I probably could have. but And then that even sets up the Fuchs thing even better because Fuchs at least knows something what Barry is going through. And Fuchs' advice was like, don't tell them the truth.
00:49:07
Jo
Oh, my God, that's the worst thing you ever do. No one's going to understand but the people who are there. You do not tell them the truth. And what you were saying before about the, you know, alcoholism and being a drug addict something like that, you have to find someone that can talk about those problems like AA and, you know, NA.
00:49:16
Amelie
Correct.
00:49:27
Jo
Because if your family says like, oh, just go to the therapist, you know, my dad's not here anymore, but that was my dad's problem with going to the Veterans Associations or administration, VA, administration,
00:49:40
Jo
The VA's therapist for PTSD was the therapist never saw combat. So how in the fuck they're supposed to give someone who's a combat vet advice about getting the shit out of their head if they never saw it in the first place.
00:49:56
Jo
It's like describing the color yellow to a blind person. You can try, but good luck. So you you see that connection to Fuchs because, well, maybe because Chris is dead.
00:50:10
Jo
And then we move move on to acting class. Strangle me, right? you know you know Barry does Braveheart. Gene calls him out for it. And then Sally is like, please strangle me.
00:50:23
Jo
What do you think about that one?
00:50:23
Amelie
That scene, that scene made me really uncomfortable because he says several times, no, I can't.
00:50:24
Jo
The please strangle. Yeah.
00:50:31
Amelie
Why? Because he's very strong goal and stuff. And Bilader is perfect. Amazing actor. He's like, no, no, no, I can't, I can't, I can't.
00:50:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:40
Amelie
There is a scene when you're an actor, you act. No, no, no, I feel uncomfortable, that-da-da da, da, da, da. I am a teacher. You are a teacher. You do theater with kids.
00:50:50
Amelie
you are veteran for the war of Afghanistan who probably has PTSD, who say to you, the teacher, I can't do that scene because it is shocking, I don't want to shock my partner, even if it's there at all, I'm scared, I don't want to.
00:51:05
Jo
yeah
00:51:05
Amelie
What do you do? When you see a guy like Bilader, like Bilader, no, no, no, I feel uncomfortable, etc.
00:51:09
Jo
What do I do?
00:51:12
Jo
i
00:51:15
Jo
ah don't do what Sally did and said you're a fucking pussy. and Remember? like Sally snaps at him trying to get that rise out of him to fight back and to actually choke her.
00:51:28
Jo
like No, you just give them space. What would you do? Would you yell at him like Sally did? Like a fucking pussy.
00:51:37
Amelie
No, would stop the scene. I would say, okay, just read the scene and that's all. And if you're not comfortable, let's give space and talk about it. Okay, what happened? burn What makes you uncomfortable? You know I'm an actress, etc.
00:51:50
Amelie
What a about we re-assolve first, okay? Simple as that. Take it easy peasy.
00:51:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:51:57
Amelie
Like you don't know. Like, no, no, no. That scene makes me uncomfortable. And then he screams, fuck off. both of them and you can see he's really pissed and he left and then Sally follow and what do you see you see her ex-boyfriend and the scene completely change
00:52:10
Jo
Yeah, he leaves. Sam.
00:52:20
Jo
say um Yeah. And that's what happens where Sally's probably thinking that Barry's the sweet guy. You know, he can't even act like the strangling thing. He's not going to be there.
00:52:35
Jo
Whatever it's going to be emotionally, whatever his problems are, he's maybe not in Sally's mind, like man enough, whatever that means. And then you see Sam show up and this is now Sally...
00:52:51
Jo
having her past confront her after her trying to rewrite the past for entire episode. The past comes to confront her and you almost feel sorry for the ex-husband because like, oh, you're dead.
00:53:04
Jo
Like Barry just found out that you were basically attacking and beating, you know, if he believed it or not, if it actually happened or not, ah Barry believed in his mind that you were attacking his girlfriend in the past.
00:53:19
Jo
He's just going to kill you.
00:53:23
Jo
And we don't know if Sally's talking truthfully what we think she was.
00:53:24
Amelie
Just with one look. You can see his look. Mm-hmm.
00:53:28
Jo
Yeah. and And that is a good way to end this one. And this is one of the things that we'll say from
00:53:43
Jo
from Bill Hader, according to... When Bill Hader was writing this, he's like, sorry. When Bill Hader was talking about this, he was like, it starts with the idea of how we we lie to ourselves and how we can tell someone our truths, but not all of our truths.
00:53:59
Jo
You tell partial truths. And so it'd be funny to illustrate that instead, you know, just watching Barry type stuff and say it, you want to, you know, dramatize it. So he's o admitting that you're not telling the truth.
00:54:10
Jo
Bill Hader, the person who played it, not me. I didn't say this. Bill Hader said it. He's like, you tell partial truths. You don't tell the truth.
00:54:22
Jo
So,
00:54:25
Jo
I don't know how to do that thing anymore. But that's a perfect way to kind of end it. And this episode, if you want to look at the historical viewing of it, the the previous episode did okay. This one, audience grew by a lot. People seem to love this episode.
00:54:44
Jo
Now, we talked about a lot. A lot today. Next time, season two, episode four, deep dive with Barry, Barry, Aerie, Aerie.
00:54:58
Jo
With myself, Joe, and my co-host, Amelie. As we bid you, what happened to your nose? Kidding. Good day? You're dancing to nothing at all. I love it. Oh, there you go I'm number one. I know.
00:55:12
Jo
It's just me. Bye, y'all. Like and subscribe. Deuces.