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Barry S1E7: Loud, Fast, and Keep Going — Guilt, Guns & Grief on Stage
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This week on Streamin’ Demons, Jo and Amelie take a scalpel to Barry Season 1 Episode 7: “Loud, Fast, and Keep Going.” After surviving the chaotic airfield ambush, Barry finds himself in a moral freefall. Chris, panicked and overwhelmed, tells Barry he’s going to the police—and Barry, cornered, makes the darkest choice yet. From there, we swing from death to drama as Barry stumbles into the acting showcase and delivers a single Shakespearean line soaked in real grief. The audience sees raw brilliance. Jo and Amelie see psychological collapse.
The duo explores how guilt, trauma, and identity crash into each other across this episode’s tight 30 minutes. Jo dives into Barry’s unraveling persona and the danger of emotional repression, while Amelie shares personal stories from her time with the Red Cross in France—highlighting how trauma rewires behavior, even when the “performance” is offstage. The conversation touches on acting method, psychological endurance, and the thin membrane between real life and art.
No fluff, no filler—just sharp takes, emotional resonance, and the most uncomfortably powerful episode of Barry to date.
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🔑 Key Moments
- 00:00–03:00 – Aftermath of the airfield ambush
- 08:15–11:30 – Chris’s guilt and Barry’s impossible decision
- 14:45–17:00 – Barry murders Chris: unpacking the silence
- 20:00–23:30 – Barry crashes the acting showcase in emotional freefall
- 30:00–33:00 – “My lord, the queen is dead”: performance meets panic attack
- 35:00–37:00 – Applause vs. reality: how the class misunderstands Barry
- 40:00–42:00 – Moss connects more dots, closing in
- 45:00–47:00 – Amelie’s Red Cross experience and trauma responses in real life
- 47:30–49:00 – Acting, method, and the body’s memory of stress
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Transcript
00:00:01
Jo
Oh, everyone, Joe and Emily, we're back. Back and back, baby.
00:00:04
Amelie
Hello.
00:00:05
Jo
Hello, hello, hello. Today we've got loud, fast, and keep going. Oh, I think someone said that to me once or twice. All this and more on this stream of demons. Yeah, all right, so we're back.
00:00:20
Jo
I need to cut that. I'm cutting the sound out.
00:00:20
Amelie
I will always do it.
00:00:22
Jo
I know, I'm going to start just putting that as an intro bumper. So today's Barry, we're talking loud, fast, and keep going. And this is chapter seven out of eight in season one.
00:00:35
Jo
And we introduce our shot. We get Cristobal for the very first time. And we see Cristobal, who's the Bolivian mafia leader, landing. As we see this long-ass landing strip with heavily armed Bolivians and a fucking like car coming at them.
00:00:55
Jo
And they're like, what the fuck's this? And they just go, da-da-da-da. They start just shooting up the car. And that's kind of, we get their view of it, right? So the car flips over, it explodes up, you know, big explosions, type of stuff.
00:01:03
Amelie
Correct.
00:01:08
Jo
So you think that, wow, Barry's one season long. Good. You know, like, Barry's probably not dead. He's a titular character. He's probably not dead. But... We do see some damage.
00:01:21
Jo
And we see the Cristobal calling up the Chechens saying, hey, ah ah did you just send some motherfuckers to kill us? Because I would have shared. He's being really nice for a drug dealer.
00:01:34
Jo
I was like, I would have shared the drug house. I to do was ask. but But now, if I guess we have to do a war.
00:01:40
Amelie
Yeah. Yeah, that's really interesting because often when you watch movies America, there is the cartel of and the mafia of and they're not linked at all.
00:01:49
Jo
Yeah.
00:01:49
Amelie
You know what I mean? It's just separate entities.
00:01:51
Jo
Yeah.
00:01:52
Amelie
And there, there's a guy who is like out of the blue. Like, we could have done business together. Like, you know, it's really hard. You're a foreigner.
00:01:59
Jo
You could
00:01:59
Amelie
I'm a foreigner. You know, like, we should be modern and stuff.
00:02:03
Jo
have showed me around.
00:02:03
Amelie
And I'm like, that's really smart. Now, I'm sorry. have to do war. And I cannot do anything against that. And I really like how the Cheshire was like, what are you talking about?
00:02:13
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:15
Amelie
We never sent anything. We never did. We don't know what are these Marines. Like, what what are you talking about? Like, no, no, no. It's just's really funny to see how the war is because it's not in a traditional way you would expect.
00:02:29
Jo
No, it just like it was so like, I love the way like your style of setting the guide the h you know the bullet DHL. That was excellent. It great style. was very fun. You know, Cristobal was having a a ah mental moment with no whole Hank. and But just completely business thing.
00:02:49
Jo
It was completely just like, well, I guess we have kill you guys now. Didn't want to. What? Oh, well, what's for lunch? It's just one of those.
00:02:57
Amelie
Yeah.
00:02:57
Jo
Okay, it's a war now.
00:02:58
Amelie
It's an imperative. It's an imperative. You know, I have to.
00:03:00
Jo
yeah
00:03:02
Amelie
have to. I'm sorry.
00:03:03
Jo
Because, you know, we can't have you attacking us at us and us not retaliate. It'd be weird. But that is also when Noho Hank finds out that Barry is dead.
00:03:16
Jo
And we see that Noho Hank's actual allegiance might not be quite to the Chechen boss, but more like to his interpersonal relationships with Barry.
00:03:28
Amelie
and it's really unique because i would like to point it out this character is openly gay he e i is he is openly gay number one number two he he suffer from a disease the actor by itself suffer by disease because he doesn't have any hair any any hair at all
00:03:36
Jo
Is he openly gay at this point? I can't remember. He is openly gay, yes. The character. I know if he was...
00:03:53
Jo
Oh, really? Oh, I didn't know that.
00:03:56
Amelie
um um Policia? Alopecia?
00:04:00
Jo
Sure.
00:04:00
Amelie
It's very difficult to pronounce for me. Alopecia.
00:04:02
Jo
Well, me too. Sure.
00:04:04
Amelie
So basically he's bald, he doesn't have any facial hair, it's when you lose your hair and it doesn't come back, like any hair
00:04:11
Jo
Anyone who's watched the Oscars know this one. Yes.
00:04:14
Amelie
and of your body. So what I really like about the character is he's openly gay, he's young, he's a foreigner, and He's accepted by the family.
00:04:28
Jo
And he's accepted by his family.
00:04:28
Amelie
That's not the problem.
00:04:29
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:30
Amelie
Well, yeah.
00:04:30
Jo
And that's the thing I, you picked up.
00:04:32
Jo
He's openly gay. I didn't even, well, I know he's because I watched the entire Barry, all of it. I know he's gay. But i didn't really pick up on it at this point.
00:04:44
Jo
Maybe I just wasn't really watching closely, but you're right. The Chechens accept him completely. He's not ostracized whatsoever. He's part of the operation. He's a normal person.
00:04:54
Jo
Hell blue eyes yourself. And then i think that string speaks to the strength of what Barry is. It's not making a point saying, oh, look, you're gay and we accept you.
00:05:06
Jo
It's just like ah ah some random motherfucker.
00:05:09
Amelie
correct.
00:05:09
Jo
Like, oh, you're some dude. Cool. Whatever.
00:05:11
Amelie
Yeah, yeah. And you would imagine in the mafia world, it wouldn't be accepted.
00:05:13
Jo
but
00:05:15
Amelie
It would be pushed away or bang, bang, bang. Not at all. Not at all. It's a part of it. like It's okay. And I really like that.
00:05:24
Jo
Yeah.
00:05:24
Amelie
And yeah, like for the the death threat of I'm sorry, I would have to kill you guys.
00:05:25
Jo
Works well.
00:05:31
Amelie
Can't do. Remind me of story I heard from the Afghan people, the Afghan men. I walk we when I was working for the Red Cross so I was working working for the Red Cross in North France and we had a city for people who need help to translate all need help to be to be understood when they go to the hospital and stuff so in there and I'll call the station them and that I have the death threat high goes with a we've in Afghanistan is very simple first you have a warning
00:05:44
Jo
Right.
00:05:52
Jo
right
00:06:02
Amelie
They explain to you, hi, you did that, that, so we would like you to beware, don't do that anymore. The second time, they send somebody, hi, we have a representative of, you say, did you receive a letter? Great.
00:06:16
Amelie
Could you stop, please, now to do so? And the third time, they kidnap you and they torture you. And the fourth time, they kidnap a brother or sister whatsoever and they kill them or take them to the army.
00:06:27
Amelie
So it's very polite.
00:06:27
Jo
Oh, sounds like a lovely place.
00:06:28
Jo
so
00:06:29
Amelie
It's very polite like that.
00:06:29
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:31
Amelie
And I always imagine something really violent, but actually no, it's not that violent.
00:06:35
Jo
The kidnapping and torture, I'm really sure it is violent.
00:06:37
Amelie
Yeah, it's violent, yeah. But I mean, the first step, like, hello, hi, I come from the mafia, and I think you should stop your school for girls because it's not what we fight for.
00:06:50
Amelie
So if you stop your school for girls, we good, but if you don't stop, we kill you.
00:06:55
Amelie
We may kidnap your neighbor and send you his head.
00:06:55
Jo
So what...
00:06:59
Jo
Right, right. Cool, cool. So what you're saying is the very first time when they come by your house being polite, you put a bullet through a fucking head. That's what telling me.
00:07:07
Amelie
No.
00:07:08
Jo
no that's what saying.
00:07:08
Amelie
They...
00:07:09
Jo
If it comes back the second time, they're going to kidnap and torture people? Fuck that. The first time they come by polite, you put a bullet through them
00:07:13
Amelie
No, first time,
00:07:16
Jo
I'm telling you.
00:07:16
Amelie
a
00:07:17
Jo
and emily and and No, no, no, no, sorry. We're not going to get sidetracked on this shit, by the way. But if if this is the thing, first time, polite, second time, blah, blah, blah, it escalates from there. The first time when someone knocks in your politely in that area, you put a bullet through their fucking head and they don't come back again.
00:07:33
Amelie
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:33
Jo
Because you know that you're going to keep going.
00:07:35
Jo
ah you Especially if you're using the the the analogy of a girl's school. Fuck that shit. Fuck that noise. No, no, no. Sorry.
00:07:42
Amelie
But in every way, yeah, but that to say the the link, like it's really interesting to see the, oh, I have to do it.
00:07:43
Jo
Back to Barry.
00:07:50
Amelie
This is it. It just reminds me of that. And I'm like, it must be like this. Like they're really polite with you. They give you cakes and stuff. And they're like, anyway, will have to kill you.
00:07:58
Jo
right
00:07:59
Amelie
I don't want to, but you know, that's the way. Let's go.
00:08:01
Jo
Right, and it works for the Bolivian and Cristobal, and Cristobal is played by Michael Irby, and he does a remarkable job. mean, everyone's doing a remarkable job in this. Everyone's doing a remarkable job.
00:08:12
Jo
And so the Chechen's actual response, besides going like, oh, fucking shit, like we didn't want a war, is to go like, where's Fuchs at? Because Fuchs said we had to do this, and now we did what he said.
00:08:27
Jo
And now we have a war, so let's go kill fucking Fuchs.
00:08:31
Jo
And that's what they try to do right then.
00:08:31
Amelie
Correct!
00:08:33
Jo
You know, they come in and they they kidnap Fuchs and tie him chair, but sort of a chair.
00:08:34
Amelie
It gets
00:08:41
Jo
Like they're going to kill him, but maybe not. it's It gets, I think that's the next episode I'm talking about.
00:08:48
Amelie
a little bit messy. It gets a little bit messy.
00:08:50
Jo
Yeah, it's going to get messy.
00:08:51
Amelie
But it's so comical and I really like how the Mafia communicate with each other.
00:08:54
Jo
Yeah.
00:08:57
Amelie
It's really nice.
00:08:58
Jo
Yeah, and that's going to be, and that's actually when they get fugues. I'm sorry, it was next episode, episode eight. But this time they're going go and get him and they're going to try to kill him. And then no whole Hank has to have this conversation with saying, oh, by the way, you know, we're going fucking kill you.
00:09:15
Jo
And it gets kind of weird later on, but then we we cut back to where Barry is.
00:09:25
Jo
but cut back to us excuse me and we We cut back to the detective Moss who's listening into the entire fucking thing. And then but because she's listening into it and she's not a great detective whatsoever.
00:09:39
Jo
This will come into fruition in episode eight. She's like, oh, we know exactly who the connection is. It's fucking the guy who just got died, are Ryan. Ryan.
00:09:51
Jo
Like the actor who got killed, like Ryan's the actual guy was shooting.
00:09:52
Amelie
Yeah, exactly.
00:09:54
Jo
I'm like, fucking hell. So they're like Ryan and Taylor, to you know, they they all this really weird bullshit, completely wrong theory going on.
00:10:03
Amelie
I would like to take the defense of the policewoman. She doesn't want to take off from the wall the school because she feels in her guts the school is linked and she refused to take it off and everybody's like, come on, they're bunch of dumbass.
00:10:16
Jo
yeah
00:10:19
Amelie
And I'm like, no, there is a guy who went to Afghanistan with the Marines. Like, come on. Like several times I'm like, there is a connection. Like I would be like, the dude has his thing with arms and boom, his friends die.
00:10:35
Amelie
not Come on, come on.
00:10:35
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:38
Jo
Well, they're going discover that more on later on, you know, later on to discover a bit, but, but at that time what they're still doing like the Ryan, they're they're saying that Ryan is connection. Like that's what Moss is saying. Like, Oh, it must be Ryan.
00:10:52
Jo
The guy who just, you know, the acting class was murdered. So you, you have that. And then we're like, okay, whatever. looks like Barry's dead or not. Who knows? And then of course, Barry survives.
00:11:05
Jo
Barry does survive and he survives with Chris. And it's just Barry's against the car. And he's like, what the fuck just all happened? And one of the Bolivian soldiers are coming by and has a gun. And Barry's like, don't, you know, just don't do it.
00:11:23
Jo
He's trying to talk him out. And then Chris actually gets a jump on him. So Barry starts saying like, shoot him. Just fucking shoot him. Shoot him. You know, just fucking telling Chris just to fucking shoot.
00:11:35
Jo
And we have this moment of Chris actually taking the shot. And then we find out Chris was in logistics, kind of like a fuchs.
00:11:47
Amelie
yes exactly yeah yeah because he never killed find out a little bit later on he never used the harm he was but he was not thinking about killing someone and compared to Barry
00:11:47
Jo
Like Chris was basically a younger fuchs, never some action whatsoever.
00:11:51
Jo
And that's his first kill. And he's like freaking the fuck out I was like, Oh my God, I can't believe you. i was like, he drops the gun. He's like, no, there's like, no, pick up the fucking gun. What are you doing?
00:12:04
Jo
Yeah.
00:12:13
Amelie
out of war, if you kill a man, it's a murder. So for him, he's big-began murder and he's full of guilt and stuff. He's completely different from Barry. And that's the tragedy.
00:12:22
Jo
Yeah, and and that starts... but I'm not sure if this moment starts the downfall of Barry or it starts the... like the turn of There's a definite turn of character we see in Bill Hader's character in Barry.
00:12:40
Jo
As soon as Chris hesitates, Barry's like, what the fuck? As soon as Chris kills the guy, Barry's like, cool. But then he sees Chris freaking out.
00:12:52
Jo
And now Barry's going to have a difficult decision because Chris is freaking the fuck out.
00:12:52
Amelie
yes
00:12:59
Amelie
Chris is freaking the fuck out and that scene in breathtaking they are in a car in the desert and they're talking to you everything is going to be fine and everything is going to to be fine and Chris fucked up and say to Barry I'm going to the police and he stopped the car and
00:13:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:13
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:18
Jo
Why did you fucking say that?
00:13:20
Amelie
why did you fucking get any understand he fucked up and he look at his friend not as a friend but more like a psycho is that I won't I won't tell you to be I would just come back to my family ended at a time is a lot you just say that any any grab his gun and he looked at him and ball dead any the blood and everything that seen is magnificent because you see the tension we do you remember
00:13:21
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:35
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:46
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:48
Amelie
The man who stopped just in front of them at 500 meters to check his will.
00:13:53
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:53
Amelie
And you see the face of his friend changing and looking at Barry because he understands he's waiting for the guy to leave. And this is it. He's going to die. He's dead. He knows that. So he's like, I beg you, I beg you, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then the car goes and cluck, cluck, cluck, pom, no, no, no, pom.
00:14:09
Amelie
And you see the blood.
00:14:09
Jo
Yeah, change my mind, change my mind. And yeah, he doesn't get to change his mind at all. Like, you see two parts of Barry.
00:14:17
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:14:17
Jo
One is he was trying to really keep shit together. But as soon as that line is crossed, as soon as Chris actively says he's going to betray Barry, Barry makes that decision. He does not come back from it.
00:14:33
Amelie
correct and you can see show shift at that moment because we know it's not just a guy who has no feelings, just kill people he is entering another dimension he killed his friend there is regret there is tension he breaks the wall of his limits and his limit was
00:14:34
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:41
Jo
Yeah, absolutely.
00:15:02
Amelie
never kill another Marine. And that guy has a family, he knows him, he knows his name.
00:15:05
Jo
yeah
00:15:08
Jo
Yeah. And he crosses that.
00:15:10
Amelie
When we watch the first episode, he doesn't know anything about the actor. He starts to get to know the actor and when he sees a father, that's when everything just cracked.
00:15:21
Amelie
It's not just not just a chicken.
00:15:23
Jo
Yeah.
00:15:24
Amelie
He's a person with a name, family name, circle and a family.
00:15:27
Jo
Right.
00:15:29
Amelie
And he's like, fuck. And the guilt hit him the first time. So you can't see him panicking. Now, he killed someone he knew. He liked. He loved. He saw the family.
00:15:41
Amelie
The wife. The kid. Everything. He knows that. He's a Marine. He fucked up. He committed murder. And the guilt is going to double back, like, very badly.
00:15:53
Jo
Yeah, but it seems that he's doing this because he's finally carving out an existence for himself and he doesn't want anyone to get in the way. he's He's not self-sacrificing anymore. He's putting himself first.
00:16:10
Jo
And anyone who's trying to fuck up his new life is going to end it.
00:16:10
Amelie
Correct.
00:16:13
Jo
just That's it. You're gone. And that is the foreshadowing, I think, for the character arc. And I think that's the foreshadowing for the rest of the series.
00:16:24
Jo
And this is the episode that Bill Hader wins the 70th primetime Emmy Award. he He wins Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy Series. And how the fuck this a comedy series, we still don't know.
00:16:36
Jo
There's comedic moments of this. But he wins the lead actor to a comedy series in the episode where he blows someone's fucking head off.
00:16:45
Amelie
And it's not a funny yeah epi episode at all.
00:16:46
Jo
No, it's not. like there's There's no laughs in this episode. like they're Okay. One. There's one laugh in the episode and it's two. Maybe because Kristoff is like, yeah, what the fuck, man?
00:16:59
Jo
But the second one with is when Fuchs and Noho are talking on the phone to each other. like Holly and Miss Barry are like, oh I saw someone at the store at the supermarket. It looked like Barry, but it wasn't.
00:17:11
Amelie
Yeah, and he tells like, you know that kid since he was seven years old and I've fallen in love with him immediately because he had some very little.
00:17:11
Jo
It's like two little girls talking on the fucking phone.
00:17:17
Jo
Yeah.
00:17:19
Amelie
So they're, like, talking about him. That's cutie-cute.
00:17:22
Jo
it
00:17:22
Amelie
That's a very dramatic episode. Like, it's be really hard.
00:17:25
Jo
Yeah. It's a cute moment in dramatic episode. Even that moment ends with like few saying, so we're good. And no ho's like, no we're going to fucking kill you. There's no place you can run.
00:17:36
Amelie
Oh, no, no, no, you're fucked.
00:17:36
Jo
we're going kill you.
00:17:37
Amelie
Oh,
00:17:37
Jo
Yeah. like It's like this heart to heart for like the last 20 minutes. Fuchs is drinking straight into the bottle.
00:17:41
Amelie
Oh
00:17:43
Jo
I was like, I feel like crown Royal and no was like, no, no, we're, we're we're still fine killing you.
00:17:49
Amelie
yeah yeah, you you should use the country.
00:17:50
Jo
Yeah.
00:17:53
Jo
Yeah, and so you see all this happening, and at the same time, like that the police raid Taylor's apartment, because of course they do, and they find all this evidence that links them, and then because Ryan lends Taylor, mean Ryan lends Barry's book, and Taylor takes the book or whatever, he sees the Jean's book with autographed to Ryan.
00:18:16
Amelie
yes and me it's not the man's book a very books a very fun percent yeah
00:18:17
Jo
Right?
00:18:23
Jo
Yeah. Well, he fucks up, and he but he lucks out because by him fucking up, by leaving that book, it actually leads all Barry's crimes to Ryan. It pins them all on Ryan.
00:18:34
Amelie
yeah yeah yeah and we are in the public station and so bigfoot due to rest you there both women and he's like hey there's two dead Marines and she comes and one of them is this one and you see the photo of Barry and they're like, no, but if it was, it would be really cool.
00:18:50
Jo
Yeah.
00:18:53
Jo
Yeah, be really cool for one.
00:18:54
Amelie
I'm like, close. I'm sorry, that's ridiculous.
00:18:57
Jo
Yeah.
00:18:58
Amelie
You're right. so close. There is so much time when I'm like, come on, he's a Marine. The other guy is a Marine. It's like, it's, hmm.
00:19:09
Jo
And about the same height, about the same build. And it goes with that. And one of the other funny moments would be that same cops. Like I've been saving it. I brought the CD. I've saved this for this moment.
00:19:20
Jo
And instead the ride of the val Valkyries, it's the ride the Bumblebees.
00:19:24
Amelie
Yes.
00:19:24
Jo
Or the flight of the Bumblebees.
00:19:25
Amelie
Yes. Yes.
00:19:26
Jo
I was like, instead of going, don't I have it? That's probably a version of it. She's like, what the fuck's this? It's like, sometime in lollipops. Oh, that's actually a callback from... fuck I want to say it's probably the Simpsons.
00:19:40
Jo
Probably the Simpsons where like, this my chase music. And it's actually just like this nice little beat, little chief Wiggum thing. So you see all this unfolding and then we get a double. They're doing the Ryan memorial for Ryan.
00:19:55
Jo
Ironically on the day that he's being, you know, basically tagged for murder on trustfully. So And you see everyone's in Shakespearean garb, and and they have an agent from Gershwin out there, and it's like, oh, this you know Sally brings him out. He showed, it he showed, he showed, type thing.
00:20:14
Jo
And the first guy comes on stage at last period, fucks his line of fucking line. They keep bombing. Everyone and Henry Winkler's, like and in Gene's theater troupe, keep bombing.
00:20:27
Jo
Person after person after person. Just fucking bomb after bomb after their bomb. They fuck up their lines.
00:20:32
Amelie
Correct, correct.
00:20:33
Jo
They can't remember shit. Things go wrong.
00:20:35
Amelie
Bad.
00:20:37
Jo
is it's It's a shit show. And then you see Barry come in perform his line, and leave backwards. And Sally gives the most flattest fucking tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow speech ever.
00:20:47
Amelie
Oh yeah.
00:20:52
Jo
And you're like, oh, that's that's kind of shit. She fucked it up. She only did two tomorrows? It's like, yeah, yeah.
00:20:56
Amelie
and Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.
00:20:59
Jo
This song will come out tomorrow.
00:21:01
Amelie
but but but like that and i'm like really girl
00:21:05
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, and that's the and that's the the whole fucking thing of it. And then you figure it out, oh, it's just an imagination.
00:21:16
Jo
Like, there's still a shit show. They're still performing a shit show, but Soundly hasn't gone on stage yet.
00:21:22
Amelie
correct
00:21:23
Jo
Yeah. And she's freaking out because Barry's not there. And Barry finally comes up. He's just like shaking. is it You see Barry in the fucking like an Uber.
00:21:31
Amelie
It's really good because he has flash of the consequences.
00:21:32
Jo
The back of Uber is like.
00:21:38
Amelie
He sees a wife grabbing the phone, hello, and the flag and everything.
00:21:40
Jo
The wife. Yeah.
00:21:43
Amelie
And turns, he turns, he panics, he panics, he panics.
00:21:43
Jo
yeah
00:21:46
Amelie
And Sally is like really upset at him and grabs something and bim, bada, boom.
00:21:51
Amelie
And she goes and she tells a line and she looks in the direction of Barry. And he doesn't come. There's a silence in the theater. She kind of freaked out.
00:22:02
Amelie
And you see him coming. And he cries. And he's full of guilt. And that's a beautiful, it's beautiful scene.
00:22:07
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. He's is's having some psychological horror that he brings on to himself.
00:22:13
Amelie
The beat actor is such a good actor. And he cries.
00:22:16
Jo
Yeah.
00:22:17
Amelie
And he's like, my king, the queen, is dead. And he cries and he leaves.
00:22:22
Jo
He's just fucking putting it out there.
00:22:24
Amelie
And she's like shocked.
00:22:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:22:26
Amelie
and that is she and she chance to the public and she's back up up up
00:22:26
Jo
And it shocks her.
00:22:32
Amelie
but but pop of but but in her
00:22:33
Jo
Should have died here after.
00:22:34
Amelie
just change like that like mr cuinno said you need to to to ah your reactctor that you did it and it's just ah ah when the interesting when buty shows real pain she react to it she she just get out of the girl he really seen get put it out go to a real actress a real adult and she's like giving a good speech like but they're fantastic actor the actress to play and the other i think tactic after because their good actors to play by that scary and he play shakespeare common like
00:22:55
Jo
yeah
00:23:09
Jo
yeah
00:23:16
Jo
Right.
00:23:20
Jo
but its this And again, Hatter wins the daytime Emmy for this and for a comedy series. But I can't imagine. I don't even know.
00:23:33
Jo
you know what? I want to see the but Okay, Outstanding Comedy Series. well um I want to see the actor. I think Bill Hader was against Anthony Anderson for Black-ish.
00:23:47
Jo
Ted Danson, The Good Place. Larry David for Curb Your Enthusiasm. Donald Glover um't glover for Atlanta?
00:23:51
Amelie
Thank you.
00:23:53
Jo
Donald Glover? Atlanta? Well, I guess Atlanta is still... Is Atlanta a ka fucking comedy? I'm not sure these are comedies. And bill may ah William H. Macy for Shameless. Okay. Okay.
00:24:05
Jo
So I guess you use comedy very fucking loosely because Black-ish, I guess, is a comedy. The Good Place is a comedy. Kirby Enfusiasm is a comedy. Atlanta? Atlanta has comedic moments, but I think it's a fucking comedy.
00:24:20
Jo
Shameless? Sure the fuck ain't a comedy. And neither is really Barry.
00:24:23
Amelie
yeah shameless as a comedy sham
00:24:27
Jo
Yeah. Shameless. And they're talking about the American remake, which is still not a fucking comedy.
00:24:31
Amelie
it's not a comedy like yes there is funny moment and stuff yes it's coming in coffee but it's not comedy like like yes there is funny lawyers moment but it's it's a that's a big question because in tragedy you have comedy
00:24:34
Jo
No minutes, right?
00:24:50
Jo
Yeah, well, here's the thing. yeah but That's for the the comedy series for outstanding lead actor. For actress, the thing when as Rachel Bronson wins for Marvelous Miss Maisel, which is a comedy.
00:25:03
Jo
Better Things. It's a fucking comedy. Actually, Better Things is Pamlish Alden.
00:25:06
Amelie
right
00:25:08
Jo
She's fucking one. That, by the way, she's amazing in Better Things.
00:25:09
Amelie
see Yes. yeah
00:25:11
Jo
Better Things is a comedy slash drama, but Mom's a comedy. Insecure is a comedy. Blackish is a comedy. Grace and Frankie is a fucking comedy. comedy Like, those are actual pure fucking comedies.
00:25:20
Amelie
Especially when you say wins for that episode and it's not the most funny episode and that's the worst tragedy episode.
00:25:25
Jo
That's the episode. That's the episode they sent.
00:25:28
Amelie
Like, how did they find very funny Noro Henk or... You know what I mean. Like, je ne sais pas.
00:25:35
Jo
Yeah, and and that's the thing.
00:25:35
Amelie
I don't
00:25:37
Jo
That's probably arguably his, apparently so, award-winning performance is this episode, but fucking comedy. God damn it. Like, what the fuck's wrong the world? That's a comedy now.
00:25:50
Jo
i But we digress. he I'm not saying, okay, shit for that episode. I don't know what episode they've sent in for Donald yeah. Whatever.
00:26:01
Jo
He wins. and ah Stanley is standing, standing fucking acting and actressing here. Actressing. Is that a fucking word? should never be a word. Astounding acting here.
00:26:13
Jo
And Bill Hader absolutely deserves the win. And so do a lot of fucking like Sarah Goldberg deserves something from this fucking series as well. She plays Sally so fucking well.
00:26:27
Jo
And she pulls the fucking show emotionally for most of the part because Barry doesn't have any fucking emotions for like half a goddamn season. Like half a season, Barry has zero emotions.
00:26:39
Jo
So Sally, as vapid as she is, has to pull it emotionally. And that's why I thank God.
00:26:45
Amelie
Correct, yes.
00:26:46
Jo
Yeah, it's like she's carrying the emotional weight.
00:26:47
Amelie
Yes.
00:26:48
Jo
And thank God Henry Winkler's there. I just did an episode of ah Branick about Bruce Campbell. like We just like to see people like Bruce Campbell in it because he just brings everything in there. I think Henry Winkler is another person. You just want to see him act because he's so emotionally available when he's acting.
00:27:05
Jo
Even when he's acting like a kind of a scummy character like Gene, he does so in a way you're just like, oh, fuck. I still would go. I can see why they go to his acting class. I still would want to be around him.
00:27:19
Jo
He's an asshole.
00:27:20
Amelie
But he has good ideas, good good tips.
00:27:21
Jo
Yeah.
00:27:24
Amelie
I really enjoy his scene because it's really how it goes for acting, like I'm sure, number one.
00:27:30
Jo
Yeah.
00:27:32
Amelie
Number two, as an actor, he's a great actor. I know who he is and I really like the scene when he goes for...
00:27:36
Jo
Winkler's amazing.
00:27:39
Amelie
on for We don't say interview, we said...
00:27:42
Jo
What
00:27:44
Amelie
What's the name? The correct name, not interview, but... the
00:27:47
Jo
but do you mean? monolo What you trying to
00:27:48
Amelie
when you when When you want to get to when you want to get to a job as an actor.
00:27:54
Jo
Oh, audition.
00:27:55
Amelie
Thank you. An audition.
00:27:57
Jo
Yeah.
00:27:57
Amelie
An audition. So really, like, when you do the audition, you see the actor, how it works and stuff, and how the school goes, how the acting goes.
00:27:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:28:06
Amelie
And I'm like, even if the character is a dick, even if the character is, you know...
00:28:11
Jo
Yeah. Sorry.
00:28:13
Amelie
He's an excellent teacher. Like he's like, hey, what I'm seeing there, you just say your line. I'm not expecting you to say your line. I'm expecting you to feel your head to make it fit.
00:28:22
Jo
You're right.
00:28:23
Amelie
Okay, now you express the I love you. Now I want you to imagine in where are you? You're in the supermarket. Okay, supermarket. You look for soup. Tell me. Don't flash. Relax.
00:28:34
Amelie
Think. Breathe. What do you see? datadadada that that You see, I like that. I like that because even if the character is goofy, the character can be serious in some kind. Oh yes! Oh!
00:28:47
Jo
yeah Yeah, absolutely. And his advice is really good. It kind of brings some weight and Barry was fucking in the lines. Okay, type five, type five, take a type five, everyone. And he's like, ah and he starts talking about the ah demons of alcohol and drugs and Barry's like, I'm not high.
00:29:04
Jo
Like, I'm not high.
00:29:04
Amelie
yes
00:29:05
Jo
It's like, if you can't line up.
00:29:06
Amelie
Oh, I love that! I love that! It's just like the parking.
00:29:09
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:10
Amelie
I think the dude can see him he's just not there.
00:29:12
Jo
Yeah. yeah
00:29:15
Amelie
Barry, I know what's going on. Come here. Take a seat.
00:29:18
Jo
He sits him down, and it's just a great little one-by-one, yeah.
00:29:19
Amelie
Barry, got blood on your head. You look like shit. Are you thinking I'm a fucking dumbass?
00:29:27
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:27
Amelie
I'm not young anymore. I know what's going on. I'm not naive. ah ah Yes, you do. Yes, you do. You're doing drugs.
00:29:35
Jo
Yeah. But the cocaine monologue, we did like 30 minutes.
00:29:36
Amelie
I used to do drugs, you know. i used to do cocaine.
00:29:39
Jo
Inintelligible.
00:29:39
Amelie
We all do this.
00:29:39
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:40
Amelie
Come on, get your shit together.
00:29:40
Jo
we think thirty minutes
00:29:41
Amelie
And like, what is it? And you can see Barry, like, you've got blood on your hair.
00:29:43
Jo
and intelligentible
00:29:46
Amelie
And I'm like, this is it. It's going to be on the point.
00:29:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:51
Amelie
Boom. Now.
00:29:52
Jo
yeah Yeah. it's It's a fucking amazing point. and It's just he has Gene has a lot of great advice. He pushes Sally to open up.
00:30:05
Jo
He does that fatherly mentor rev advice to Barry. He's like, oh, well, fuck, man. yeah and He even does like the whole pep talk if you before that. is like If you can't get one fucking line out,
00:30:17
Jo
you really don't belong in acting. And most teachers won't say you that they just want their money. And so you you see, this is him actually opening up as a real mentor figure that the he's big in Hollywood or big enough in Hollywood to have the classes and stuff like that.
00:30:34
Jo
he's had some personal issues with other actors. That's why he doesn't act anymore. He's kind of a dick on set. That's why he doesn't act anymore. So you see all these things kind of come to fruition where this is almost a redemption plot for a Gene.
00:30:46
Jo
This is where Gene's kind of going, like, maybe I can redeem a bit of my fucking self here.
00:30:52
Amelie
And it's very interesting because you can see through the character, he's respected, he was a good actor, he met a lot of people, so he must have climbed the ladder, right? And he is a good actor. However, something happened in his life and he got this bad reputation of being a dick.
00:31:11
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, and...
00:31:13
Amelie
So, but yeah, because there's a scene when he looks at all these posters with his name on it, etc., his advice... There is a good guy behind, there is a professional, but e he was a real dick. And that's interesting because how many people we know in that industry who were just simple beginners, did an amazing movie, and now they've got the reputation?
00:31:38
Jo
Yeah, and that's one of the things is sometimes where predictions are true and sometimes they're spread about as a rumor. But if you look at Gersh, Gersh used to, the Gersh agency, sorry, used to represent James Woods. And I love, for the record, don't sue me, James Woods.
00:31:54
Jo
I love James Woods movies. I do. they're they're think he's an amazing actor. They dropped his ass in 2018 because... ah pause of the things he was saying politically.
00:32:11
Jo
And i mean, I still believe in freedom of speech. I'm not sure why. I think that's probably a mistake that dropped James fucking Woods.
00:32:17
Amelie
Of course.
00:32:19
Jo
But I can see that they were not feeling comfortable with representing him because of that.
00:32:20
Amelie
Of course.
00:32:26
Jo
And plus he was having a reputation due to that. So you see something that's kind of having Gersh come in, Gersh agent and come in to look at this stuff kind of does tie it back into Jean being a dick and having this reputation. I'm like, oh, and Gersh is like, you know, right there.
00:32:45
Jo
He sees a little bit of his past, I think. And he's really, and he's properly proud of Sally. He's properly proud of Sally at the moment. You see him kind of do like the dad thing, the dad watching theater.
00:32:58
Jo
He's kid in theater. like the The kid's like, don't know, this kid fucking sucks. And when she pulls it off, he's like, oh my god, that's that's it. You're pulling it off. You're doing in front that guy.
00:33:05
Amelie
Correct.
00:33:07
Jo
you know I think that's an important moment for Gene as well.
00:33:08
Amelie
Yes. And you see she's very important because she can snap a finger and go to the office and say, I want to play Macbeth or I want to play the king, etc.
00:33:17
Jo
Yeah.
00:33:19
Amelie
And he really gave her advices and stuff.
00:33:21
Jo
Everything.
00:33:22
Amelie
Don't fuck up. Do this, do that, da, da, da, da. And he warn her and everything. And he does push her and everything. So it's great. It's fantastic. Another actor who had the same demise is Cevicez.
00:33:34
Amelie
with community unit
00:33:37
Jo
And again, I would say for the record, don't sue me, Chevy Chase. I've loved you ever since fucking Weekend Update that you started.
00:33:44
Amelie
know you need to know today who city chase in France is not famous we don't know if movie not they didn't make it in France not we didn't know him he was not fun he was not and funny in France he was not he was not bankable
00:33:44
Jo
I've done pratfalls. I've done pratfalls because of him.
00:33:51
Jo
Really?
00:33:57
Jo
That's fucking insane.
00:34:03
Amelie
So we never know about Chevy Chase. I found Chevy Chase via the theory community and I really liked it. Problem is Chevy Chase was creating so much problem in the backstage with
00:34:17
Jo
Allegedly creating. We were not backstage. You have to you say allegedly. We were not there.
00:34:21
Amelie
allegedly and yeah, bad reputation.
00:34:22
Jo
Thank you. Thank you.
00:34:26
Amelie
He get kick off. So that's the story I heard because He was very, very famous, very respected. I saw a lot of his movie afterwards because a lot of English native speakers advised me to watch it.
00:34:37
Amelie
And yeah, yeah it's really interesting to see.
00:34:37
Jo
He's amazing.
00:34:39
Jo
I love Chevy Chase films. I love his weekend update stuff. Community is weird. You bring community up because that's where Donald Glover was at too, was community.
00:34:50
Amelie
Correct.
00:34:51
Jo
And Donald Glover loses the daytime Emmy Awards to Bill Hader. Not daytime, primetime Emmy Awards to Bill Hader in this fucking ah ah you know Atlanta versus this.
00:34:59
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:35:03
Jo
that's how it comes back. So you you have a lot of cool things. And yeah, maybe... there's things that get dropped or not. And we see the bit of the background of Ken Jean redeem himself in future seasons.
00:35:17
Jo
And what the fuck Barry's going to do? Because Sally's like, I love whatever you did to get there. Keep doing it. And Barry's like, I just think like I just fucking killed a friend.
00:35:28
Amelie
Yeah, and he destroys the thing, like, oh, I can see, he's like, oh, where did he get it? He says, it was fantastic, you need to go to that place, and he goes, blah!
00:35:36
Jo
He's trying to find the shit out of the fucking backstage.
00:35:37
Amelie
He's like, okay, well, I think you're still in that place, so,
00:35:41
Jo
You're standing there. Yeah, work yourself out.
00:35:42
Amelie
And I'm like, that's not the reaction you should have, you should, like, let him in and maybe call 999 and say, what the fuck is going on? Like, if you have a man like that in your school theater, yelling, cracking stuff, and then I call fucking 911.
00:35:56
Amelie
I've got a guy who is completely bursting on the back of my theater.
00:35:59
Jo
Well, maybe... That's the thing, though. like it's a It's a method. It really... i mean we've we've We've seen outtakes, we've heard outtakes of people getting in character. Jesus Christ, fucking Heath Ledger basically dies because he keeps in character of the Joker.
00:36:20
Jo
You know?
00:36:21
Amelie
you believe? Do you believe in it? Do you believe in it?
00:36:24
Jo
i believe then ah method acting, no, I think it's a really weird way of doing shit.
00:36:25
Amelie
Because...
00:36:29
Amelie
Because we have Isabella Gianni, Isabella Gianni, she was like, I am not Isabella Gianni, I am the character.
00:36:31
Jo
But...
00:36:37
Amelie
And one day she gave an interview and the guy is like, so who am I interviewing?
00:36:37
Jo
Yeah, I mean, okay.
00:36:41
Amelie
Maybe it's me. Maybe it's a character. And I'm like, it's a little bit too much.
00:36:46
Jo
Well, that's the thing. You asked me if I believe in method acting itself or believe in using it. What's your question then?
00:36:53
Amelie
uh... the question of let's say for example i'm an actress and i can't you see just that when i'm the actor i am the character am not anything so you
00:36:59
Jo
i know I know what...
00:37:02
Jo
Yeah, I understand. No, no, no. I understand what method acting is. I'm asking you, your question, do believe it exists? Or if should people use it?
00:37:14
Amelie
do you believe in that does it exist like
00:37:16
Jo
Again, do i believe that exists?
00:37:18
Amelie
like I think so. My question is, like, do you believe in that?
00:37:23
Jo
Yes, it absolutely fucking exists. Method acting is an actual fucking technique. It absolutely fucking exists.
00:37:28
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know it exists, but do you believe in it, like, in the...
00:37:31
Jo
Oh, i'm no. No, no, no, no. Watch, watch, watch, watch. Okay. Method acting absolutely can fucking exist. I'm trying to think of his name right now.
00:37:45
Jo
Great Shakespearean guy. i have to go look at this. I'm sorry.
00:37:51
Amelie
Go ahead, go ahead. There is such a long list of amazing actors, actress, producer, writer, poet, etc.
00:37:59
Jo
Yeah.
00:38:00
Amelie
And we tend to forget them. It's always at the moment we really want to name them, we forget. So let's use Google and try to find the name.
00:38:08
Jo
Well, I just want to make sure that I'm getting this correctly. And i believe it's George T. Scott. No, it wasn't George Scott. It was, God damn it. I'm drawing a blank. It doesn't matter right now, but would get dad. Who's a dad from, Oh, not severance. What was the one that was God damn it.
00:38:32
Jo
It was a bunch of rich fucking people, rich family.
00:38:38
Jo
Rich Family TV show. Scarsgård is in it.
00:38:45
Jo
There's a Scarsgård in this one. And it's actually...
00:38:48
Amelie
a
00:38:49
Jo
don't Just so you don't know.
00:38:51
Amelie
da da da da da da da da
00:38:53
Jo
don't have to... So anyways, there got them
00:38:55
Amelie
I don't know.
00:38:57
Jo
so anyways
00:38:58
Amelie
Which family?
00:38:58
Jo
there is
00:38:59
Amelie
Which family is in America? I'm wondering which story it is!
00:39:05
Jo
Yeah, and I apologize. I'm sorry, my memory is going a bit. So you you have this you you have this method acting, and it's not really acting that much. Like, who's playing Jerry Lidl the Joker? It's just being a cunt.
00:39:26
Jo
Yeah, I can say that. It's my fucking show. It's just being a dick. Like Jared Leto as a Joker setting fucking gags because he's still in character. Like if you really want to still be in character as Jared Leto being the Joker in a fucking like suicide squad, whatever that was, you should probably go fucking shooting people because that's what the Joker would do.
00:39:46
Jo
When Heath Ledger's doing his Joker method acting, he went to some dark fucking places.
00:39:47
Amelie
right
00:39:52
Jo
He wasn't like sending bullshit prank gifts to people. He ends up dead. I mean, that's the ultimate fucking method acting right there, I guess. But, yeah.
00:40:08
Jo
And I believe i was looking for a succession. Succession. Brian Cox is the actor I want.
00:40:12
Amelie
Oh, yes.
00:40:14
Jo
And Brian Cox, Brian Cox shits on method actors.
00:40:15
Amelie
i mean
00:40:18
Jo
He's like, you know, we went to this thing called acting school. And we act. You know, if you're playing a drunk person, Gina Davis had a great fucking analogy on this.
00:40:31
Jo
She's like, how do I play a drunk person? i have to drink a lot. And someone was on set, like, I forgot who it was right now. She gave her the advice. Like, no, no, you just spin around really quickly. like 10, 12 times really quickly. And then your body will act drunk for you. You don't actually drink to get drunk, to play a drunk person.
00:40:53
Jo
And I think there's there's a difference between that. And I think maybe both are valid. But what do you think? you think one's better than the other?
00:40:59
Amelie
yeah i
00:41:00
Jo
I just think that...
00:41:00
Amelie
I don't like i like, for example, when you hear that actor lose 15 kilos to play that character character or that actor gain 50 kilos to play his character. I think this is excessive when it's a body physics.
00:41:14
Jo
Yeah, the the body stuff like, yeah, there's some
00:41:16
Amelie
Like the one who played Batman recently, i'm like he did so much with his body.
00:41:20
Jo
cushion bail for the machinist.
00:41:21
Amelie
I'm like, too much, too much.
00:41:22
Jo
Yeah.
00:41:24
Amelie
like Excellent actor and stuff, but too much.
00:41:25
Jo
Oh, even me, I'm losing weight for my shit.
00:41:28
Amelie
I don't know if it's because of a eating disorder and I'm fighting to gain five kilos. But when does the actor like, yes, he trained himself and he gained 20 kilos or lose 50 kilos to play a guy who is dying from AIDS, blah, blah, blah.
00:41:33
Jo
Yeah.
00:41:44
Amelie
I'm like, yes, that's a little bit excessive. Like, no. The other thing to say, oh, I was so much in the character, you know, I am the character and stuff. Yeah, no, no, no.
00:41:55
Amelie
I understand the idea of you play a difficult character like somebody who survived Auschwitz.
00:41:55
Jo
Yeah,
00:42:00
Amelie
Yes, you can be a little bit depressed, grooming, etc. Yes, I totally understand.
00:42:04
Jo
there's going to be some side effect of that.
00:42:07
Amelie
I totally understand that. But after it's, I don't know, there's something about Hollywood and stuff where I'm like, come on, you, you, you're not doctors, like, you're not a brain surgeon or something like that, like,
00:42:23
Amelie
It's art, it's pretending, you know. Like there's something when...
00:42:27
Jo
No, and that's kind of the thing about it all. And
00:42:38
Jo
think you have to get through. I'm not going to tell anyone how to do fucking job. It's not my job to tell them how to do a job. If method acting works for them, great. Be a fucking method actor. if if If traditional acting and learning the roles and fucking getting into it and finding the emotional connection works for you, great.
00:42:54
Jo
Do both. Do whatever you fucking do. But do with some kind of safety. There should be some kind of safe insanity on it. And then for Bill Hatter to kind of see this moment of maybe making people aware or making fun of method acting where the guy's still got so much shit and Gene's walking in like, oh, he's still in fucking method right now. Okay, I'll let you decompose.
00:43:21
Jo
Or the part where Chappelle has a story about meeting Jim Carrey. Like, Carrey was doing the Andy Kaufman show, or Man in the Moon. And Carrey wouldn't be called his own fucking name. I'm like, I get it.
00:43:38
Jo
but it's also kind of dickish.
00:43:40
Amelie
He did it in purpose. They did a documentary during the filmmaking.
00:43:44
Jo
Yeah, no, this is it's but it's method acting.
00:43:46
Amelie
a
00:43:46
Jo
That's what it is, though.
00:43:47
Amelie
Do you think so? think it was an homage.
00:43:49
Jo
but that That's literally what method acting is. That's literally the definition of it.
00:43:53
Amelie
Yeah, because he did did ah documentary while doing that, and he was made authentic in purpose, in homage to actor he was playing.
00:44:04
Jo
Andy Kaufman, yeah, but that is, but that that's literally what method acting is.
00:44:05
Amelie
yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it was completely crazy.
00:44:11
Jo
You call them on, that's their name, that's who they are, that's who we're going be until they fucking, like, Robert Downey Jr. makes fun of that in Tropic Thunder, was like, I don't, I don't break character until the end of don't shit.
00:44:23
Amelie
I love it.
00:44:24
Jo
Yeah.
00:44:25
Amelie
I love it. That movie is perfect.
00:44:30
Jo
Licking your lips. Uh, but yeah, you, you see this shit, man. It's like, he makes fun of method acting because, it okay. If your method is watch, I want you to play.
00:44:41
Jo
Oh, what's a really great one. I want you to play Keith Richards growing up. So you have to do a bunch of heroin. Really? That's your method? Fucking being a junkie? Like, oh, maybe you can just act about it first.
00:44:53
Amelie
all one all tell to you friends with actually a director say he went to Paris from some holiday and some to write an extra and be fit befriend French who was never in a week so he said to write he's a robbery movie he got in fact from people having hearing they were asking people that are up at taking a link for that no
00:45:12
Jo
Yeah.
00:45:21
Amelie
I know John Travolta interviewed people who are were the heroin addiction and say, how do you do that? How do you feel? Etc. It's very simple.
00:45:33
Amelie
Just take a hot bath and I think drink or something like that to feel how it feels to have heroin. So when was faking it to be fucked up on heroin, he had the right face to do so.
00:45:48
Amelie
That's interesting. That's a a good thing. But can get away no no na on and and and and na no no
00:45:56
Jo
Yeah, I think there's things that i think both are valid, right? i think aspect of method acting should exist.
00:46:06
Amelie
yes
00:46:08
Jo
I think aspects of, would say, traditional stagecraft should exist because they're both stagecraft. I think what the problem is when people go to extremes,
00:46:18
Amelie
Yeah, like for example, Robert DeLay Jr. who went to Wall Street just for day to see how it works and try to understand, da da da da, and he hated it, by the way. I like that. Or for example, ah the American director who goes to Paris and many people who do heroine and how crazy they are and listening to the story and techno, etc.
00:46:37
Jo
Yeah.
00:46:37
Amelie
not Sure, great, amazing. Like, for example, there is a scene in Pulp Fiction, me and my husband, like. It's when the drug dealers say to John Travolta, okay, I don't have the bag for the heroin, so I give you a bag. i usually put the cocaine in because da-da-da-da-da.
00:46:58
Amelie
It's so real. It's a detail, but it's so realistic, and we like it. And I like that. I like that. I like the tiny little details, the tiny little twist. Yes, that's good. That's great.
00:47:12
Amelie
studying and stuff, yeah sure. For example, before playing the pianist, um the main actor, Adrian Brody, went to Poland and he did ah backpacking in Europe by himself to try to walk, meet people.
00:47:20
Jo
Yeah.
00:47:25
Jo
There you go. That's going to be research. That's basic research for me. that's not that it's not Maybe we're using different terms. But yeah, either way.
00:47:35
Amelie
yes, that I like, that I respect. Then I'm like, yeah, sure. Yeah, understand. You want to be a painter? You learn how to paint? Yes. You want to play a policeman? You stay with the police and you learn how to shot and how to position yourself.
00:47:50
Amelie
Great, amazing, super. You want to play somebody who plays violin and you take violin lessons?
00:47:56
Amelie
Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure.
00:47:56
Jo
Right.
00:47:58
Jo
Well, that's research. like That's basic research. We're talking about keeping in the character the entire fucking time. That's method. Keeping in the character.
00:48:06
Amelie
Okay, I have a more personal question for you.
00:48:07
Jo
Never breaking kayfabe.
00:48:09
Amelie
When you do your podcast, you're a different character. So is it method acting also or is it just acting?
00:48:16
Jo
Oh, interesting question. So I believe, and I truly do believe this,
00:48:25
Jo
that for Bill Hader, I think he's making a statement on perceptions of, and we just had a conversation about method acting for like 15 minutes.
00:48:38
Jo
I think he's making a statement on perceptions of different acting schools and what is normalized like that. You're saying you would call 9-1-1 say by the way,
00:48:53
Jo
We would call 911 on someone if they were acting that and backstage, like what the fuck? Someone's punching holes into the wall, throwing chairs around. He's having a psychotic break where Gene walks in and goes, he's still method.
00:49:06
Jo
Okay. Let you fucking, and you still do you. yeah That becomes normalized. It becomes, normal i think that becomes normalized. And I think that's what haters may be drawing a view on is the normalization of, of,
00:49:20
Jo
Behavior in Hollywood can be just assumed as method where anywhere else it would be holy shit, let's call the fucking cops.
00:49:31
Amelie
I love how he juxtaposed the world of bang-bang, mafia, murder, and the psychopath, and the other world of Hollywood, who are full of obsessed people, harassment, psychological, crazy people, like the actor of Paris who just strikes the window and stuff.
00:49:37
Jo
Yeah.
00:49:52
Jo
Yeah.
00:49:55
Amelie
I love that. It just reminds me of the book from Janet McAlevey, I'm Glad My Mom Died. When you listen to her audiobook and she explain how she got the role, how psychologically fucked up she is because she had to cry, fake cry, fake cry in demand, her first key, la la la la.
00:50:01
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:13
Jo
Kissing her first kiss, yeah.
00:50:17
Amelie
I'm like, this is beautifully written. Like you can see the two worlds.
00:50:21
Jo
Yeah, no, it's
00:50:21
Amelie
Like the scene when Sally is victim of sexual harassment. Like she she refused to have sex with the manager.
00:50:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:28
Amelie
She goes to the interview. The secretary comes. she's aware the secretary knows no situation should be a political and you really feel it's not just an apology for hey i'm sorry you didn didn't get a role in that activity and i'm sorry i know what it meant to an end so and everybody knows everybody knows and do nothing so mac that's fucked up in the world of all king people and the fact that that's a fact that it's officially fucked up and it's really interesting can you get
00:50:43
Jo
yeah
00:50:58
Jo
Yeah. And it's, it'd be interesting to actually see some of the, I'll say decompressions maybe that people had to go through to come down from method acting or come down just from regular acting for that long on stage on the same role.
00:51:16
Jo
Because what Sally's doing with Barry, she's like, Oh, this is great. Keep going back there. Even if he didn't kill Chris, but he had to work himself up than that much of a fucking thing.
00:51:27
Jo
emotional traumatic area to get one fucking line on stage what's the cost benefit ratio of this like is it worth the fucking price
00:51:40
Amelie
Yeah, like for example, Janet McCarty, who was explaining in a book, the scene she has to play before crying, her mother says, remember when mommy said she was going to have cancer?
00:51:50
Jo
all these bad yeah yeah
00:51:52
Amelie
Remember when grandpa was dying of da-da-da-da? Remember when the dog, we saw the dog was dead on the street and stuff, and she starts to cry, and and she's just crying for love, and then they introduce her to one room, another room, a director, and she's like, and she cries and stuff, and she's eight years old.
00:51:59
Jo
Give me some fucking mace. Yeah.
00:52:08
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:09
Amelie
And I'm like, but the way she described think about that, think about that, think about that, and she cried.
00:52:09
Jo
You're fucked. That's your fucking life.
00:52:19
Amelie
And I'm like, my God. So yeah, when you do the parallel with Barry, who needs to be completely damaged and broken and hurt, like, no.
00:52:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:52:29
Jo
Well, shit. And this is, again, this is why he wins the award for this acting. is It's amazing acting. Amazing show. Great, great episode.
00:52:41
Jo
This was episode seven, loud, fast, and keep going. And one day, whoever wrote this fucking episode, Oxford Comma is your friend, motherfuckers. Put a comma before the yeah so if you like this deep dive into some we win some fucking method acting with method man we want the rizzer the jizz of the ghost face killer we did all sorts of like that that's thanks man sorry bad we did all that in one episode and next is guess what our next show is the last episode of the first season
00:53:14
Amelie
Woo!
00:53:14
Jo
We'll have an entire season done. And for the math myself, Joe and my friend Amelie, or as we put the notes, the Czechoslovakia, the French correspondent from Czechoslovakia or Czech Republic or whatever fuck they fucking call themselves.
00:53:31
Jo
Not Slovakia anymore, I guess.
00:53:31
Amelie
We never know. We never know.
00:53:33
Jo
Yeah, what does the fucking map say today? All this and more, and next time, hit it. Oh, wait. Bye, everyone. Who cares? Wrong one. Bye.