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Barry S1E4 - Commit to YOU - Age and Sexism in the modern day
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This episode of Streamin' Demons gets uncomfortably real as we dissect Barry's fourth episode through the lens of actual workplace harassment and toxic relationship dynamics. Sally's devastating agent encounter isn't just good TV - it's every woman's nightmare job interview where "talent" takes a backseat to whether you'll sleep with the boss.
As we dive deeper, Amelie shares brutal stories about workplace discrimination in France (spoiler: it's fucked up), while Jo reveals his own "too ugly for the front" restaurant rejection that morphs to 'being meat'.
We break down why Barry's laptop gift feels so wrong (hint: it's the timing, not the gesture), share personal stories about age and gender discrimination that'll make you rage-quit capitalism, and analyze how the show brilliantly parallels Barry's killing addiction with real addiction cycles.
The Marines vs. Hollywood culture clash provides comic relief, but the real meat is in examining how people build emotional walls after years of professional and personal abuse. This isn't your typical TV recap - it's therapy disguised as entertainment analysis.
### The Laptop Gift Disaster - Why expensive early gifts feel like manipulation - Barry's domestic fantasy vs. Sally's reality - Real stories of overeager gift-giving gone wrong
### Sally's Professional Hell - The predatory agent's "just joking" defense - How years of discrimination build emotional walls - The audition room humiliation that hits different
### Workplace Discrimination Reality Check - French "mademoiselle" culture and professional dismissal - The "too young/too cute" professional trap - How marriage and motherhood change workplace respect
### Barry's Psychological Patterns - Acting class therapy vs. real change - The addiction cycle of trying to quit killing - How rejection triggers violent relapse
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Transcript
00:00:00
Amelie
you
00:00:00
Jo
Thunder, ThunderCats, ho, oh, hello everyone.
00:00:02
Jo
Hey everyone, Joe here. How are you doing? Oh, wait, wait, wait. I forgot. My accent, I'll do my accent today. Today on Streaming Demons, we all doing, me and Amelie, we are going to do Barry, Season 1, Chapter 4, Commit to Y-O-U-M-E.
00:00:20
Jo
All this and mores are nows. Good enough. Hello, Amelie, how are you? Long time no... so And I'm like, good.
00:00:34
Jo
How long my accent lasted to you for a while?
00:00:40
Amelie
I love it!
00:00:41
Jo
Thank you.
00:00:41
Amelie
Music YouTube! but
00:00:43
Jo
like so to la no done that's my new That's my new thing. yeah
00:00:46
Amelie
Bravo!
00:00:47
Jo
That's how we start off now. Just Baby Yoda.
00:00:49
Amelie
Bravo, bravo, bravo!
00:00:50
Jo
Welcome to Season 1, Episode 4, Chapter 4, Commit to You.
00:00:56
Amelie
To me?
00:00:56
Jo
You will commit to you to you.
00:00:57
Amelie
who
00:00:57
Jo
We're going to commit to each other right now.
00:00:59
Amelie
Yeah.
00:00:59
Jo
We'll be both committed. hee, ho ho, ha ha's.
00:01:02
Amelie
Yeah.
00:01:03
Jo
So we were talking a little bit before the show started the... the background and everything else that goes into Barry but this episode especially because we get to see Barry as a person this is this is Barry becoming a person because we've seen him as a killer who's trying like I don't know how I can fit into enter I don't know how I can fit into life and stuff like know he has become and he's trying to go into acting school to see how he can become per to be a human basically he's like oh I can have emotions and stuff
00:01:35
Amelie
Correct.
00:01:38
Jo
And he does kill Paco.
00:01:41
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:01:42
Jo
Paco's dead. He's, in his mind, gonna go back to save Fuchs. But Fuchs is already safe at this point. And he gets the girl. He gets Sally. Last episode, gets Sally. It takes him, unlike Sam and Diane, Barry and Sally fucking the first three fucking episodes.
00:02:02
Jo
Yeah?
00:02:03
Amelie
Great.
00:02:03
Jo
Sam and Diane from Cheers, but how many fucking seasons before they kiss?
00:02:03
Amelie
gregg
00:02:06
Jo
What the shit was that about? Sorry. Or I rewatched Cheers. It's a good show. So you have this and Barry's falling asleep after sex, I guess, in Sally's arms or vice versa. Who cares?
00:02:22
Jo
And they kind of fade out nicely. Happily ever after. It's kind of like if you watch, if you stop the episodes right here, Barry has a decent way of life. He's getting out of killing people.
00:02:35
Jo
He's finally met a girl. We bring him an actor. It's awesome. She is going to hopefully buckle up and get some more acting jobs herself. Beautiful.
00:02:46
Jo
And now episode four, where we find out the first thing we see is what? Get the fuck out of my house.
00:02:55
Amelie
Yeah, and Facebook.
00:02:56
Jo
Yeah. And Facebook.
00:02:57
Amelie
Yeah, that's terrible.
00:02:59
Jo
so
00:03:00
Amelie
So terrible because we are so happy for him.
00:03:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:04
Amelie
He got the girl and he's with her.
00:03:05
Jo
yeah
00:03:07
Amelie
And I like that scene.
00:03:09
Jo
Boom.
00:03:10
Amelie
He's laying down and looking at her and she's smiling to him and this is it. You're a person now. You've got Facebook.
00:03:17
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:18
Amelie
So he becomes a person. He's got his girlfriend. There's a beautiful light, he's happy. So who do you like? Who do you want to be friends with? Oh, there's that guy from Army I really like.
00:03:28
Jo
Yeah. Boom, this one?
00:03:31
Amelie
And it' they find him and he's like, oh, he's got a kid and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Facebook. Everybody has a kid. So you can see she's fed up of Facebook bureau already.
00:03:41
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:42
Amelie
And she stood up and is like, so do you want to get breakfast? you want to review together the scene we're going to do, you know?
00:03:50
Jo
yeah
00:03:52
Amelie
and she's like, no, no, I didn't tell you. I've got an audition, I'm not going to class. Okay, cool. ah What's the audition about? Oh, I'm going to be this medic in the army.
00:04:03
Jo
yeah
00:04:04
Amelie
And he's like, great, because I went to Afghanistan. I can give you some tips. No, no, no, it's fine. My agent, my agent, he knows that kind of thing.
00:04:10
Jo
No, no, my agent. Yeah, yeah. My agent. He knows better.
00:04:14
Amelie
I'm like, why?
00:04:17
Jo
Yeah. and Okay, you're saying why, and I'm wondering, is it regret that she slept with him? And she's just like, get the fuck out? Or is she sleeping with multiple people and it's just like one of many?
00:04:32
Amelie
Yeah.
00:04:32
Jo
And it's kind of like, you know, most people leave by now, you know?
00:04:35
Amelie
yeah I think, I think she, She just fucked people and that's all. And there is no emotion behind or anything, which is really weird because she runs to his arm in the last episode saying, do you think I'm going to be a star?
00:04:40
Jo
Okay. No emotional to it.
00:04:50
Amelie
Do you think I'm going to be like a movie star? And then she kiss him out of the blue.
00:04:54
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:55
Amelie
So I'm like, does she like him? Does she doesn't like him? Is it the way she is?
00:05:00
Jo
Yeah.
00:05:01
Amelie
Is it American? Yeah.
00:05:03
Jo
no I'm not sure if it's American. I think it is the she needed validation and he validates her. I think that was I remember now at the end of the last episode.
00:05:17
Jo
She's kind of like waiting for him outside, right?
00:05:20
Amelie
Yes.
00:05:20
Jo
she's like, oh, he went too far. and He's on the phone constantly. He was killing someone on the phone with her.
00:05:25
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:05:26
Jo
And then goes to her house. Still on the phone. I think maybe that we've all done this, but I know i have.
00:05:33
Amelie
fund
00:05:36
Jo
Oh, yeah, I've done this to where got you like you're on the ah ah phone with the girl. And honestly, like have to pee and like back then it's like, oh, my God, there's no mute button.
00:05:51
Jo
So you had to learn, you know kind of like learn how to like, ah ah like I hope she say anything interesting now. But it's validation. I think he provides validation for her.
00:06:03
Amelie
Yeah, because in the last episode, she was like, yeah, she's not that beautiful, and she's not that young, and I think she cheated on her age. And you know, I've got one of my former colleagues who was a bomber, just like me.
00:06:14
Amelie
She's got leukemia. She unfortunately is dying, but that's another story for another time. Yeah, da, da, da, da.
00:06:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:18
Amelie
So you hear that bit of information. He comes, and she's like, do you think I'm going to be a movie star?
00:06:21
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:24
Amelie
And she she kissed him. Plus, if you think back to the first episode, the second episode, sorry, the second episode, when she's like, oh, I don't think we need to have sex.
00:06:35
Amelie
And he's like, I was not meant to do.
00:06:35
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:36
Jo
Cool. Yeah.
00:06:38
Amelie
Do you want to come and talk about it?
00:06:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:39
Amelie
I'm like, I think she, I think she just do that. Like she buy baguettes. I think it's normal for her. And for me, it is not like, I don't know.
00:06:55
Amelie
Maybe she send mixing oils or maybe not.
00:06:57
Jo
i
00:06:59
Amelie
What do you think as an American? Because I'm sorry, because as a French listening to the Americans, their situationship, they dating.
00:07:03
Jo
Dick.
00:07:05
Jo
No, I know.
00:07:11
Amelie
I'm like your boyfriend, girlfriend. No, we're dating. We are in the speaking, speak speaking what?
00:07:16
Jo
I don't believe in that, man.
00:07:17
Amelie
Like,
00:07:19
Jo
But it's like this.
00:07:22
Amelie
what do you think?
00:07:25
Jo
it's it's like my Facebook... Do we still have Facebook statuses? It to be like relationship status complicated. That used to be a status on Facebook. Like back in the day. i just got back on Facebook. Everyone looks like, look me up on Facebook. It's my fucking name.
00:07:39
Jo
There you go. Joe Schaeffer. There's only like one of me, I guess. So when I'm trying to edit some stuff. When I was growing up, when I was growing up, I grew up in Vegas, more or less.
00:07:53
Jo
When I say grew up in Vegas, it's like from 18 and above, right? And there are times where you really just date someone. You date someone. mike And then you're going out. It's just monogamous. It's you because you are my girlfriend. You are it, right?
00:08:10
Jo
And then maybe because it's Vegas, it's just going to be a string of not where you're dating someone. That's that shit. It's going to be a string of mutually acknowledged one night stands.
00:08:25
Jo
You want nothing from me. I want nothing from you. It's just sex. Be awkward tomorrow. Deuces. You know, so you you have that dichotomy there. Today's word is dichotomy, apparently.
00:08:36
Jo
You have that. And I think after, welcome to psychology talk with Joe and Emily. Today we're doing some divorce post-talk.
00:08:48
Jo
ah ah Honest to God, after My divorce i always felt like I couldn't, I couldn't date no one because I felt like it was fucking cheating in my mind together for fucking forever. And i was like, fuck man, I can't do anything.
00:09:00
Jo
And then you kind of break through that. And then it was kind of slipping back into, I call it my Vegas days of like, oh, baristas.
00:09:11
Jo
Like, oh, anywhere. Check out, girls. It was a fucking Rolling Stones song. Check out, girls with broken noses. paul yeah it's It really was. i go a wild from Rolling Stones. It was just like, okay, cool.
00:09:24
Jo
Cool, cool, cool. And it's it's weird, but it was maybe looking for validation. I think that's where Sally was as well at that point.
00:09:32
Amelie
Because when you're you're between 18 and, let's say, 18 and 24 years old, 18 and 25 years old, of course, you're going to, you don't know shit and you just dang, dang, dang, right.
00:09:35
Jo
Yeah. You don't know shit.
00:09:42
Jo
Yeah.
00:09:44
Amelie
But I don't know how old is Sally and she used to be married and everything, but the way trades people
00:09:50
Jo
How old is Sally? That's a good question. Like Sally is, I don't know.
00:09:56
Amelie
Barry, like, I'm with Barry's side, like, she's really lovey-dovey, or maybe it's the way she's filmed, like...
00:10:08
Jo
it's this okay. This is what the writeup for on Sally Reed is from, you know, Seth Goldberg. And we're talking, when we're talking about, we don't like the character. It's not, we're talking about the actress. It usually means the actress and actors doing a really great job.
00:10:19
Jo
Like I can't stand Dolores from Harry Potter, but the actor, the actual person playing her is a fucking angel, which is bizarro land.
00:10:28
Amelie
Yes.
00:10:28
Jo
Great. Because she plays a complete asshole, you know, and same thing.
00:10:31
Amelie
Yeah. And that actress who plays Sally, she's top of the top because she plays a good actress who's learning to become a good actress.
00:10:33
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:40
Amelie
She's a fantastic character. She really did it well. It's just the, at that point of history, I'm like, who's right, Barry or her in that situation?
00:10:53
Jo
Right.
00:10:54
Amelie
Because I'm like, they cast member, they work together, they befriend, she grubbing in her world and everything, and they have sex and she even say, oh, we shouldn't have sex if it doesn't mean any anything.
00:11:02
Jo
OK. Right.
00:11:10
Amelie
Okay, cool, great, I respect that.
00:11:11
Jo
right
00:11:13
Amelie
And then she comes, she's like, I really need you to come and she has sex with him. So I'm like...
00:11:20
Jo
Now, here here it is. emily here Here it is. And maybe, I mean, this is the greatest thing about, thanks, Bill.
00:11:31
Jo
Thanks for fucking psychoanalyzing me for a minute. It's because they're fiction, we can kind of bounce this around a bit better. And we won't really ever know because they're fiction. We can't ask the real fucking Sally and the real fucking Barry.
00:11:45
Jo
They don't exist. But maybe she doesn't want validation only. Maybe that's what the stemming is. The stemming is like you want validation or you want to be felt like you're needed, you know, something like that.
00:11:59
Jo
But when she's like find something with Barry and because Barry of who he is is genuine. She is afraid of that. Maybe the fear was like, holy shit, this is actually a genuine, in LA, in Hollywood, this is actually a genuine fucking person.
00:12:18
Jo
And maybe I don't want to damage this or I'm not ready for this whatever it is going to be. And so she backs off a bit and she's like, the fuck of my house. Because it does take a small journey. We're not going to get too ahead of ourselves in this series. But I think if we look back in later episodes, when we come back to this point, it might be,
00:12:41
Jo
She just generally does like Barry, but she doesn't like herself at that moment.
00:12:48
Amelie
Possible.
00:12:48
Jo
Maybe.
00:12:49
Amelie
And she's got the habit to have one nightstand with men who just get up, don't have breakfast and leave.
00:12:49
Jo
Maybe. it will but Because she's used to it.
00:12:55
Amelie
And she's doing her thing. You know what?
00:12:56
Jo
Right.
00:12:57
Amelie
It's normal. It's normal.
00:12:58
Amelie
Like, excuse me, what are you doing here? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:12:58
Jo
Because she dumped them before they dump you.
00:13:02
Jo
Right? Yeah.
00:13:04
Amelie
And if you're a guy who don't like her, like her, but just want to have bim-ba-da-boom with her, it's easy.
00:13:04
Jo
It may be.
00:13:10
Amelie
You go, you're present, bim-ba-da-boom, he wakes up, leaves before breakfast, and she does a day. And it's fine. So maybe... It's like killing people. Oh, it's normal.
00:13:20
Amelie
Oh, you, you're just a number five or number six.
00:13:23
Jo
Or like Surviving Gen X by Joe Shefcik. Find it. By the way, as I hit my mic again, by the way, real photos. One of them is the ugly motherfucker of me. Another one, her.
00:13:34
Amelie
Yes.
00:13:35
Jo
I know it was actually, which is weird because it was a different photo. We had a splice. We had a grafter face onto someone else's face. I couldn't get permission from him. Or, i you know, honestly, I didn't even try to get permission. I'm like, a fuck, I'm going to use that interface instead.
00:13:48
Amelie
It was funny as fuck, but they did an amazing job.
00:13:48
Jo
like
00:13:49
Jo
I know.
00:13:51
Amelie
Like, I saw the original picture you did.
00:13:51
Jo
but They did. They did, right?
00:13:54
Amelie
Like, the day you told me, hey, can I borrow that picture and put it on my book?
00:13:54
Jo
Del and I.
00:13:58
Amelie
Sure, but why is that one?
00:14:00
Jo
Because they had your head.
00:14:01
Amelie
Oh, I have an idea, I will show you. And they did an amazing job.
00:14:05
Jo
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:14:06
Amelie
Like, if I show the original picture, that's nothing about it.
00:14:10
Jo
I know. That's Diamond doing it. Thank you, Diamond. Yeah, it goes to the point. But that's exactly it. Growing up in Vegas is like if you actually fucking do know me. I don't like being touched.
00:14:24
Jo
Like usually um but I couldn't even sleep yesterday or for the last couple of days. I've been ball of fucking pain, mostly from my abusing my body for a couple of decades, let's say.
00:14:36
Jo
And I just, I don't like being touched, not because it's inviting my personal privacy ah ah or space, like that too. But it's actually physically fucking painful usually. Like it's a physical fucking pain when people are I'm going give you a hug. I'm like, my back is so fucked up. I can barely fucking walk, guys.
00:14:53
Amelie
Yeah, for an American, you need a cuddle. That's true. Whenever we meet, you never do American hug.
00:14:53
Jo
Like, you know, don't fucking touch me.
00:14:58
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, of because because you you and you're always respectful that because you never know, because we talk enough, that you don't know if I'm in like severe pain one day.
00:15:09
Jo
and And sometimes, well, I only touched your leg. like Yeah, but I fell down because it made everything else collapse. Like, yeah, like, like all of us are connected, right? So it could be something of like she is used to guys using her and thank you next.
00:15:29
Jo
Like, like I'm saying, growing up in Vegas, you go to the club scene and there's people, I don't remember their names. I so honestly got, I probably never had their fucking names. You know i mean Like, I don't,
00:15:43
Jo
uh, motherfuckers. He points to his book. I, I, there's times, uh, there's times I'm blocked out. I mean, completely blocked out too. That like my friends would have say, Oh yeah, you went to corn. I went to corn. I did.
00:15:57
Jo
So you, you have that lifestyle and that lifestyle from Vegas resembles lifestyle from LA a bit, you know, the the Hollywood lifestyle, but a little less so because Vegas has, there's no good side to it. It's just always that.
00:16:12
Jo
And I think maybe she does that out self-defense. She kicks him out before he could dump her. Maybe.
00:16:18
Amelie
True, especially she...
00:16:23
Amelie
Yeah, you're right.
00:16:24
Jo
But we we won't know. that We're all guessing. And I looked this up. According to the pilot script, Barry and Sally are both in their 30s. Noho Hank is 20-something and Fuchs is like 50. In his 50s.
00:16:37
Jo
So it makes sense.
00:16:38
Amelie
i knew that. I knew she was in her 30s and stuff.
00:16:39
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:41
Amelie
But yeah, I'm telling you, it's just from my point of view, at that moment when you watch that episode, and it's episode number four, correct?
00:16:47
Jo
Right.
00:16:49
Jo
Four.
00:16:50
Amelie
Episode number four, I'm like, girl, girl, you're very such years old.
00:16:50
Jo
Yep.
00:16:55
Amelie
Girl, girl, girl, girl, you know?
00:16:58
Jo
She's the one that started using filters from her last episode. And you know what?
00:17:03
Amelie
Yes.
00:17:04
Jo
I give shit to that because of her conversations. And you thought I filtered someone. Like, fuck you. like Well, i thought like, what do you mean I filtered someone's fucking picture for you?
00:17:14
Amelie
I took fun. It was not serious filter. It's like the lips were gigantic.
00:17:19
Jo
No, that was someone else's fucking...
00:17:20
Amelie
The hair were really blonde and orange.
00:17:22
Jo
That was them. That was them.
00:17:24
Amelie
You know, i'm like that's that's something somebody who was fun with big eyes and big teeth and just for the fun of it.
00:17:31
Jo
Yeah, no, that's...
00:17:31
Amelie
And you told me, number one, it's not my picture. Number two, I don't filter tear people. Number three, that's a real picture somebody sent me. And I'm like, are you for a
00:17:40
Jo
Number four, Joe doesn't remember any of this, but he remembers he doesn't filter shit. All I remember is I don't, I just don't filter. I did one closest thing I got to filtering stuff was the picture of you and I at the, uh, uh, absent bar because of oh, I guess so shit. I'm saying this out loud now. Nevermind.
00:18:00
Jo
Allegedly you and I had an absent bar because of things we use a filter, but it wasn't a filter. It was an AI merge.
00:18:08
Amelie
Correct.
00:18:08
Jo
Yes. Yes. My bad. Can I talk about the apps? I'm not going to go into the detail, but can I mention that detail?
00:18:16
Amelie
Go, go, go because I was shocked.
00:18:17
Jo
Okay. Okay. So you, okay. We were at this absent bar and we took a a selfie and then I'm like, AI, da, da, da, da. Cause I got my new flip phone. Like, well, what we can do with this? I'm like, okay. I'm like, it was pretty decent photo.
00:18:30
Jo
I'm like, okay. Change her face to someone. And AI went through my fucking Rolodex of people. that I dated or at least on my phone somewhere and they made you look like someone else that I was fucking dating I was like holy fucking shit not the time but like in the my past like like holy fucking shit you look just like blah blah like AI is like scary as fuck they replace your face with someone else it's like this book
00:18:51
Amelie
Yeah, so I'm on my way back from home and I received that picture of you and i and this is my telephone to replace you with someone else and I'm like, what?
00:19:00
Jo
yeah yeah
00:19:04
Jo
Yeah, as I was trying to protect your identity. and like it made some By protecting your identity, it actually made your picture into someone else from my past.
00:19:13
Amelie
Yeah, and you had to show me on your computer, z tohu i show you, woman, look, and I say, Do you do it in purpose for me to...
00:19:14
Jo
I was trying to blur your face.
00:19:21
Amelie
No!
00:19:22
Jo
I was trying to blur your face out because, oh I was going to use it for an app for dating.
00:19:22
Amelie
No! Yeah.
00:19:26
Jo
That's what I didn't want to have. your That's what it was. Yeah, I was just going to blur your face out. And it turned your face into someone. I'm like, motherfucker. Like, what the fuck? So you you have that age where Sally is probably going through this.
00:19:40
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:19:40
Jo
And there is an absolute age out in Hollywood for women. Where like, oh, you know, you do nothing. What was the whole joke? Like you can do damsel in distress teenager.
00:19:52
Jo
You can do a little bit of mom stuff, early soccer mom, then nothing and until your grandma age.
00:19:59
Amelie
Correct, yes. And when the series Desperate Housewife came out on TV, it was a big breakthrough for women aged over 40 years old.
00:20:01
Jo
Right?
00:20:08
Amelie
Because you have the woman from Superman who came out. is this great actress who...
00:20:14
Jo
that Julia Roberts thing? I can't remember. Was that hers? No, Sarah Jessica Parker.
00:20:18
Amelie
Desperate Housewife.
00:20:20
Jo
Oh, desperate.
00:20:21
Amelie
The series with the...
00:20:23
Jo
fuck I'm thinking of Sex and the City.
00:20:25
Amelie
No, no, no, no, no not Sex and the City. Sex on the city is just sexuality with women over 30 years old.
00:20:28
Jo
Sorry.
00:20:33
Amelie
They're very young. They're at my age in sex on the city.
00:20:34
Jo
That's what I thought. When you're saying 40, I'm like, I didn't think she was fucking 40.
00:20:37
Amelie
40, over 40, it's housewife. Their mother, their housewife, their actresses are the age of the no man's loan of actresses.
00:20:46
Jo
Oh, yeah? yeah i
00:20:47
Amelie
And they talk about women stuff, you know, like being a mother of different children, being a housewife.
00:20:55
Jo
Right.
00:20:55
Amelie
like to and It was a big breakthrough because these actresses were, quote-unquote, old, but they were still very young.
00:21:03
Jo
Right. Oh, I know.
00:21:04
Amelie
So it's a big thing, you know. But you're right, with Kim Kat-Ha, she said it, when you pass a certain age, you cannot be sexy, but you cannot be a grandma.
00:21:09
Jo
the hell is that?
00:21:13
Amelie
And then you need to reach a certain an age to become a grandma.
00:21:17
Jo
Yeah, and guys don't really go through that. Like Pierce Bronson never lost work because like, oh, I have to take a ah decade off. No, he was just like James Bond and then more James Bond. You know, Sean Connery, who was working forever, never had to take time off because yeah didn't fit age.
00:21:29
Amelie
no Yeah.
00:21:37
Jo
You know, but you can...
00:21:37
Amelie
And I saw the dating, like, they get older, older, older, but their partner gets younger, younger, girl younger. That's cute when you're 25 years old and your partner is 22.
00:21:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:21:47
Amelie
But when you're 75 years old and your love interest is in their 30s, I'm like, what that movie with...
00:21:50
Jo
Oh, sorry.
00:21:58
Amelie
Damn, that's a beautiful movie. Clint Eastwood, and he plays a photographer, and he falls in love with a housewife for a weekend, the time of a weekend.
00:22:01
Jo
Well, you're...
00:22:12
Jo
No, sorry, dude.
00:22:12
Amelie
And it's played by...
00:22:14
Jo
You're going to find out a couple things. One of the things, thing number one, I never watched Jeff for Housewives because why would I? Thing number two, I wouldn't, no what I'm saying, it's the same fucking type of movie.
00:22:20
Amelie
no No, not Desesperate Housewife, but Clint Eastwood and...
00:22:27
Jo
Madison County is that the, something of Madison County is that the, I can name you the Clint Eastwood movies I have not watched.
00:22:33
Amelie
Uh-huh.
00:22:33
Jo
Is it Bridges of Madison County?
00:22:36
Amelie
C'est possible. It's possible because I'm watching in French.
00:22:37
Jo
Because that's the only one I haven't watched.
00:22:38
Amelie
Okay.
00:22:39
Jo
You know why? ain't got no interest in it.
00:22:43
Amelie
But the actress said when she applied to play the role, they said to her, oh, you're too old.
00:22:48
Jo
I know about it.
00:22:51
Jo
Right.
00:22:55
Amelie
And she was in her 40s. Clint Eastwood was in his 50s, 60s, and they were looking for
00:22:57
Jo
Jesus.
00:23:00
Jo
Looked like in the 70s.
00:23:02
Amelie
to somebody younger and she was like, are you for real?
00:23:07
Jo
Well, that was the whole of thing.
00:23:07
Amelie
And it's a beautiful moment.
00:23:08
Jo
the women The women had to be the the hook. They had to be the candy.
00:23:12
Amelie
Yes, but her kids are teenagers in this moment.
00:23:16
Jo
No, no, I'm not...
00:23:17
Amelie
yeah You know what I mean? like Like, it's...
00:23:18
Jo
Once again, i'm not saying that's the proper thing to do. I'm saying that's what Hollywood was saying, especially at that time, especially, is the woman wear the candy.
00:23:22
Amelie
yeah Yeah, correct.
00:23:28
Amelie
Yeah.
00:23:29
Jo
And now, with a lot of independent films and lot, like, people give Netflix a lot of shit and Disney a lot of shit, but... They make films and more people making films is a good thing.
00:23:42
Jo
That means there's more opportunity for other actors and actresses matter what their age, color, or fucking whatever the fuck it is to be in front of your eyes.
00:23:45
Amelie
Correct.
00:23:53
Amelie
Yes.
00:23:54
Jo
You know, like I remember when like, Oh, was a streaming movie. It's not a real movie. Like, fuck you. The guy got paid. You watched it.
00:24:00
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:24:01
Jo
Dummy. What you mean? It's not a real movie.
00:24:03
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:24:04
Jo
Fucking watching it right now. Aren't you weird?
00:24:06
Amelie
No, it's different kind of movie. You watch it on the TV, you watch it on laptop, or...
00:24:10
Jo
Most people watch movies on TV is now like as much as I love cinema in the and actual fucking theater.
00:24:13
Amelie
on
00:24:16
Jo
It's dying. Sorry. COVID was the death nail for that shit. But coming back, I've. I love watching movies in a theater, but now I have to drive out there as a deal with assholes there.
00:24:29
Jo
You know, people are going to talk or fucking put their cell phones What the fuck? to deal with all the stressing. Fuck that. I can watch at my house.
00:24:36
Amelie
When you go to the cinema, now it's a kind of a luxury. Like when I go to the cinema, I'm going to the cinema to watch something. Like the last time I went to the cinema was to watch Quentin Tarantino.
00:24:50
Jo
hateful eight was it no uh yeah that's like like once upon a time of hollywood that's all the ones yeah
00:24:52
Amelie
I watched the one about Hollywood.
00:24:59
Amelie
Once you've been in Hollywood, three hours with beer, french fries, just me. cinema, great, amazing. I love Quentin Tarantino.
00:25:11
Amelie
Burst your balls with Quentin Tarantino. I rewatch it on my projector alone, eating burgers, watching some notes, some scenes, some things, some stuff.
00:25:19
Jo
okay
00:25:20
Amelie
Great, amazing. But my point is, when I go to the cinema, I want to pay to watch the movie. I really want to go, as you say, to commute,
00:25:34
Amelie
to take the time to sit, to have my popcorn, and to watch the movie. See, I went to watch Dune. See what I mean? Dune.
00:25:45
Amelie
The last Dune.
00:25:45
Jo
don't know if going to this.
00:25:46
Amelie
and That's all. You know what I mean? like It's not like, oh, there's a last Superman. No, I'm going to watch it on streaming, or I'm going to watch it on my my phone, or are you see what I mean?
00:25:57
Jo
Right. I'm going to ask you a question.
00:26:00
Amelie
Go ahead.
00:26:01
Jo
Okay. You watched Quentin Tarantino, the one with Brad Pitt and, drawing a blank, Leonardo DiCaprio, which is going to be Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. You saw that in the theater.
00:26:13
Amelie
Yes.
00:26:14
Jo
You saw with a projector with me, Brad Pitt movie, Hollywood Babylon.
00:26:20
Amelie
sir Yes.
00:26:23
Jo
Which experience did you like better? You can be honest. I'm just i'm just curious because you saw one with a projector with me.
00:26:29
Amelie
oh Oh, la, la, la, la. la la la la la um Once you found a time in Hollywood, I'm going to tell you why. Because...
00:26:40
Jo
Love you too. How do I do Gen X heart? Was it this way?
00:26:43
Amelie
I know, that's fun. That's fun, Moshiri.
00:26:45
Jo
No.
00:26:46
Amelie
That's fun.
00:26:46
Jo
oh I can't compete with a fucking movie theater of beer and shit.
00:26:47
Amelie
and No, no, no, no. I can explain to you. I can explain to you why.
00:26:51
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:51
Amelie
Because at the beginning, you have TV screen on the movie. And so you have...
00:26:57
Jo
a Yeah.
00:26:59
Amelie
No, no, no. It's not a TV screen. It's a cinema screen of the size of cinema screen in the 50s and 60s.
00:27:08
Jo
Okay.
00:27:08
Amelie
So it's like this. And then the movie starts and it grows.
00:27:10
Jo
It goes like this.
00:27:12
Amelie
That was top of the top.
00:27:14
Jo
Okay.
00:27:15
Amelie
Plus I had beer and french fries and I was in a fantastic theater from the communist era, so it was great.
00:27:19
Jo
All right, motherfucker.
00:27:22
Amelie
But watching Babylon Review in the projector, awesome, top, dude. We were drinking, do you remember?
00:27:28
Jo
No, thank you.
00:27:30
Amelie
were eating burgers from Milk and Check?
00:27:30
Jo
I don't.
00:27:33
Jo
Wait, where? Yeah, it was just like, so it's like Shake Shack, right?
00:27:35
Amelie
Steck and check?
00:27:39
Amelie
Yeah, something like that.
00:27:39
Jo
oh it No, no, no, it was Steak and Shake. Steak and Shake, right?
00:27:41
Amelie
can check So we add, because this is a story, I'm a fan of Guanty Tarotino, and I like the scene when they eat the drink ah ah the milkshake.
00:27:42
Jo
Right.
00:27:49
Amelie
And I say to Joseph, my American dream is one day to eat a milkshake.
00:27:50
Jo
Yeah.
00:27:55
Amelie
I know it's stupid, but that's typically American.
00:27:55
Jo
Yeah.
00:27:57
Amelie
We don't find that in France. France, they do milkshake. It's just the yogurt and that's all. So when I went to America, ha had my milkshake with the cherry on top.
00:28:08
Amelie
I had the projector and we ate burgers and we watched Babylon.
00:28:11
Jo
Yeah. Fucking little kids.
00:28:12
Amelie
And it was great because we had all the room with the movie and we were fine.
00:28:18
Jo
Projector.
00:28:21
Amelie
We were sitting on the bed watching it and it's great. Having a projector at home, it's a offend fantastic experience. I love it.
00:28:28
Jo
So would you watch Barry? Do you think you watched Barry on a projector?
00:28:33
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, a wood.
00:28:34
Jo
if it translates nicely to, but you know, sometimes it doesn't like some shows just don't look good on a bigger screen.
00:28:35
Amelie
A wood, yeah.
00:28:41
Jo
Cause you start seeing how fake they are, but I think you're right. i think Barry would be a great way to do it. And I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, when we're doing something like that and if we watch it especially for an episode that involves multiple players like this is the one where gene meets detective moss for dinner and like the the the seed of the romance is planted a bit in the last episode that kind of blossoms from there i still don't really like detective moss like as a character i just i think it's
00:29:01
Amelie
Yeah.
00:29:21
Jo
more comedic than it should be you know i'm not saying she's a bad actress i'm just saying i think her character brings this really weird comedic thing to what ah ah should be a dramatic point she's a cop investigating a murder not a fucking comedian
00:29:23
Amelie
yes yeah
00:29:39
Amelie
But the interesting thing is, do you remember the crying policeman? He's smart.
00:29:42
Jo
and that's exactly that that goes back to there right
00:29:45
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, he's smart because you come to him and say, hey, we found out that the guy who died used to do private lessons with the wife of the Chichen mafia.
00:29:54
Jo
Right.
00:29:56
Jo
Of the church in Ba... Right.
00:29:58
Amelie
ahba Here we are, we have a link. And if you follow the crying guy, he's actually very smart and very grounded, but he looks not you know, hot, sexy, or dramatic.
00:30:07
Jo
Because we we see...
00:30:09
Amelie
He e looks...
00:30:10
Jo
And she looks strict as fuck because she looks like she's always in charge.
00:30:12
Amelie
Yeah.
00:30:14
Jo
And then she's the that's doing the dumb thing with the password that locks them out the lipstick camera.
00:30:18
Amelie
Correct.
00:30:19
Jo
And they finally unlock that shit to see Barry, but they can't really tell it's Barry or not. They just tell it's a dude who's like this high and that big, you know?
00:30:26
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:30:27
Jo
And maybe when the characters develop more, I'll have something else to say about that. But yeah, it's, I think the guy that was yeah crying all a lot is the one who has the most chops on the force.
00:30:43
Amelie
True.
00:30:43
Jo
And she, who looks like she's got all of her shit together is like on the fringe of unraveling.
00:30:49
Amelie
Right.
00:30:50
Jo
Like she's just fucking, you know, she's having, she's having dinner with a fucking suspect.
00:30:56
Amelie
Yeah, and I was a little bit disappointed because she could have been so the character who is very grounded, like, let's not joke right now, like what you're doing right now, it's not acceptable.
00:30:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:03
Jo
The strong woman character. Yeah.
00:31:08
Amelie
And she falls for it. The thing is, is it to make her more human?
00:31:10
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:15
Amelie
Like, yes, she's a policewoman, but she can be Star Trek.
00:31:16
Jo
Give it a thought.
00:31:20
Amelie
Or...
00:31:22
Jo
Well, remember Deb from Dexter? She was a cop. She was a strong fucking female cop. And her flaws, her human flaws, ah ah as Blake Snyder would say, you know, always give someone a flaw so they understand they're the human, was probably her mouth, her drinking, whatever it was.
00:31:44
Jo
Or LaGuardia, she was, again, a strong policewoman. who had flaws as well. Right? That's okay. Now, you see all this, and we go forward to someone who also has flaws.
00:32:00
Jo
You see Barry try to, I'm not saying he's trying to buy off his, like, quote-unquote girlfriend. He thinks Sally and him are girlfriend and boyfriend, but they never have this conversation.
00:32:15
Jo
Like you should always like, hey, are we dating? You know, there's always like time where they're spending more time with someone like, oh, are we dating now? You usually have the conversation versus just people who casually spending time together. And he buys her this like laptop.
00:32:30
Jo
And because you're you're doing that that face and I like it because this is kind of like the maybe I'm part Barry here.
00:32:30
Amelie
Yeah, it's over the top.
00:32:40
Jo
I'm like, oh, she needs this. So why not? Like you got the money. why Why not? Of course you would. And not even think anything about it.
00:32:47
Amelie
Because it's too soon. Because it's too soon. Yes, it's a great gesture, but it's too soon.
00:32:52
Jo
Okay.
00:32:55
Jo
and Okay. And so for your point, walk me through it. Walk me through it. So if you're Sally, let's just say you're Sally. And you got done, you know, Barry, I guess for like a couple of weeks, maybe.
00:33:10
Jo
Maybe a couple of weeks. I don't know really how long the acting classes go. And you slept with a film and then told him, kind of like get out type thing. you like hey thank Thank you. have to go prepare for my my movie thing.
00:33:26
Jo
And by the way, we'll come back to the movie thing in a second. And then Barry comes in with a lap a present for you.
00:33:38
Jo
you're saying that too soon. How does that make you feel then? How would that make you feel?
00:33:46
Amelie
Happened to me.
00:33:48
Jo
Was it me? Fuck's sake. I hope not.
00:33:50
Amelie
no no no no no no, no, no, no.
00:33:51
Jo
No, thank God.
00:33:52
Amelie
But happened to me several times, unfortunately. well no Nobody came with a a computer, but somebody tried to buy me a car.
00:33:59
Jo
Oh, so many people gave you. oh fuck me. Someone tried to buy you a car.
00:34:04
Amelie
Somebody tried me to buy me a car.
00:34:07
Jo
It's not me. You said questionally no.
00:34:11
Amelie
No, it's not you. I was.
00:34:14
Jo
sounds like something do.
00:34:14
Amelie
between 20 and 23 years old at the time of college age and had that guy I dated you know he's just fling whatsoever really like me and stuff I'm like yeah I really like you but uh grand deal like we're not boyfriend and girlfriend we voila and the guy went to Paris and to
00:34:25
Jo
but Yeah.
00:34:37
Amelie
Yeah, he was trying to negotiate to get me a car. I'm like, why are you trying to get me a car? You told me you wanted to show have your freedom and you're passing your driving license. Yes, but my parents are going to give me their car.
00:34:50
Jo
Right.
00:34:50
Amelie
It was a fantastic industrial again, and i love that car. I'm like, what why are you negotiating a car for me? Like, I don't have the money to buy a car. No, no, I was going to buy the car.
00:35:01
Amelie
But why do you want me to buy? Why? Like, we know each other for three weeks.
00:35:04
Jo
but yeah
00:35:06
Amelie
Like, why? It's too much. guy who a guy who I went with to... I was receptionist in a hostel and I was doing night shifts sometimes.
00:35:21
Amelie
So I was on the call. I was in a room and if there were problems, somebody called me and I would come and help out. Do you remember when I had a flat in this hotel?
00:35:31
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:31
Amelie
I was a receptionist and I was... thing the thing was
00:35:34
Jo
The receptionist being, okay, for our American listeners.
00:35:36
Amelie
Concierge.
00:35:37
Jo
Yeah, there you go Thank you.
00:35:38
Amelie
yeah So long story short, the official was, oh, I'm here in the night from time to time and we do...
00:35:48
Amelie
Everybody come at the night to by turn and my turn was tonight.
00:35:50
Jo
Right.
00:35:52
Amelie
So there's this guy who would come for three months, you know, sporadically, who was a truck driver or something like something like that. He came to me like, hi, are you working tonight? Yes. Is there an anything I can do?
00:36:04
Amelie
No, I noticed you tend to go to that restaurant from time to time. And I'm going to that restaurant. Would you like to come and eat with me? Just for company. I don't want to eat alone. And I'm like, yeah, sure. No problem whatsoever.
00:36:16
Jo
Right.
00:36:16
Amelie
We had a lovely conversation. i pay my food. He paid his food. Everything was fine. The next day, he came back with a teddy bear, a pink fluo teddy bear.
00:36:27
Jo
Oh, no, no, no, no. no no Oh, fuck me.
00:36:30
Amelie
So i arrived for my shift in the afternoon and Marion was like, hi, you have a gift. And I'm like, I've got a parcel. No, no, no, no, no. You have a gift from such and such. And I'm like, fuck.
00:36:41
Amelie
She's like, what? I went to dinner with him. I went to dinner with him, but I paid for my food. And
00:36:47
Jo
You're fucking bad. You're going to dinner for customer.
00:36:48
Amelie
yeah
00:36:49
Jo
yeah Yeah, I know.
00:36:52
Amelie
my director was laughing at my ass for full six months because every time he was like,
00:36:57
Jo
You're a kid. Fucking kid.
00:37:00
Amelie
Amelie, you have another teddy bear. Or Amelie, you have a dog bear. Can I give it to my niece? Things like that. I couldn't.
00:37:09
Jo
From the same dude or different dudes?
00:37:09
Amelie
I couldn't. The same dude.
00:37:11
Jo
Oh, was like, like, don't buy Emily fucking shit no more.
00:37:12
Amelie
The same dude. I know, i
00:37:16
Jo
I learned.
00:37:17
Amelie
but he didn't seduce me. He was like over 35 years old for sure. Like the guy who is a truck driver, you know, who would come sporadically to a hotel, but very professional, like nothing.
00:37:22
Jo
That's right.
00:37:26
Jo
Wrong truck drivers.
00:37:30
Amelie
No, he never spoke to me. Just, hi, Mr. Gambley, room tutu. Please, key, 50 euro, thank you. Have a lovely day. Boom, that's all. He just came to me, like, hey, I noticed and I don't want to be alone tonight. Would you like to...
00:37:45
Amelie
to come and eat with me. Yeah, sure, no problem.
00:37:46
Jo
Hmm.
00:37:47
Amelie
Sometimes it happens, sometimes it's women like, hey, I'm a hostess, could you come and eat with me? I don't like to eat by myself, I don't want to eat in my room. Yeah, sure, no problem, you know what I mean. Like, if you see people sporadically, but when it's too much, too much, and I think it's this situation, it's really cute, if it was a birthday, maybe, but they're like, yay.
00:38:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:38:08
Jo
Yeah, I you're right. I don't even know. and I watched this episode at least twice now. I can't remember the logic between her having a laptop because they look at her laptop in bed.
00:38:20
Jo
To him buying her a new laptop. Was her laptop broken? I don't understand the logic.
00:38:25
Amelie
Yes, yes, because when you look at the scene, you can see the laptop broken.
00:38:26
Jo
Was it?
00:38:30
Amelie
And then he has a daydream with Jon Hamm, the fantastic actor from Mad Men.
00:38:36
Jo
And Fletch.
00:38:36
Amelie
And he's like, yeah, when I will have my house and my wife. And yeah, when, yeah, when, when Barry,
00:38:40
Jo
I don't think I shit in your bathroom. Yeah.
00:38:44
Amelie
gave me his laptop. I knew he was a man who knew what you want to eat and stuff.
00:38:47
Jo
i
00:38:48
Amelie
And it was the beginning beginning of a long love story. And he's like playing with his barbecue and John Hamm come and he's like, hey, can get to take your shit in your house? You know, like you said.
00:38:55
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:56
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yes, he's noticed his laptop is broken. He's like, I'm going to get a laptop. But that's when you see, because at the beginning of the scene, when he's kicked out from ah room, he's like,
00:39:11
Amelie
So tonight we're going to the party. Yeah, you will be at the party. I will be at the party too.
00:39:16
Jo
and I will be at the party. Yeah.
00:39:18
Amelie
It's not like, oh yeah, let's meet at 6 p.m. and we're going to drink cocktail and drive together.
00:39:21
Jo
No, it's news. The cues.
00:39:26
Amelie
Yes.
00:39:26
Jo
The cues are there, right? So you you have that.
00:39:28
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:39:30
Jo
And when they're about to leave, it was the whole, I have an agent, you know, I'm going to be the medic thing. And he's like, I can help you out. And I can help my agent will. And she has a scene with the agent immediately after that, where the agent's kind of like hinting that if you sleep with me, I will now be your agent.
00:39:48
Jo
And she's like, no. And he's like, oh, yeah, I was just joking. I was just joking.
00:39:51
Amelie
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:51
Jo
was just joking.
00:39:52
Amelie
And she laughs nervously.
00:39:52
Jo
You know, it's just a joke around.
00:39:53
Amelie
She's like, oh, sorry, sorry.
00:39:53
Jo
Ha ha ha ha ha.
00:39:54
Amelie
ha yeah ha sorry
00:39:55
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. Misunderstand.
00:39:57
Amelie
And you believe for a moment.
00:39:57
Jo
It was big joke.
00:39:59
Amelie
Sorry. I believe for a short moment. Oh, he was joking. But then the Sinopun, when you see her in this room full of women with fake teeth, long hair, makeup, like over the top traditional American actresses,
00:40:12
Jo
Yeah.
00:40:18
Amelie
and the secretary comes, excuse me, could you remind me who's your manager? Oh, it's such and such. Yes, we double-checked because you were not in the listing of this agent to see, to clear everything.
00:40:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:40:29
Jo
Yeah.
00:40:31
Amelie
He said he doesn't represent you. And you can understand the secretary and Sally understand each other, and she was played out.
00:40:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:40:42
Amelie
And she's like, I'm terribly sorry and stuff. She leave, and she cry in the car, and she yell and stuff, and I'm like, That scene brought me up.
00:40:50
Amelie
Like I'm like, I'm so sorry for her.
00:40:51
Jo
Now, why?
00:40:52
Jo
Yeah. you You told me this before the show. So why did that scene hit you hard? Why did that particular scene hit you hard?
00:41:02
Amelie
Because it shows the reality of what's going on backstage. you know She wanted to earn a job with her work and quality and stuff.
00:41:12
Jo
Right.
00:41:13
Amelie
And she's a good actress and she work and stuff.
00:41:15
Jo
Right.
00:41:16
Amelie
And she met that guy who is a manager who would like to give her a chance. And she's like, yeah, I want to prove, you know.
00:41:24
Jo
Yeah.
00:41:24
Amelie
And she got trapped. She got trapped.
00:41:30
Jo
Yeah.
00:41:30
Amelie
I'm like...
00:41:32
Jo
It's, I can see that. Well, Gail Whittier, one of my old professors, God rest her so long, who was one of the first people to get a PhD, was a woman from Cornell.
00:41:44
Jo
But she would tell the grad students, brad's tools grad school is the first and last time you will be looked at as a mind and not a body.
00:41:57
Jo
And that was mostly to the women in class. And i think, unfortunately, that still translates. Like most people don't see the mind. They see the as...
00:42:10
Jo
I think that was the insinuation that the agent was giving. Like, you know, he just but didn't see the talent. He didn't see the person. He saw the next lay. And then if she uses that power of like the sex, not even power, like the transactional, then he can get her into a thing. But if not, hey, we're just joking.
00:42:32
Jo
Just joking. And I wouldn't really say that.
00:42:34
Amelie
Like, that's what I say to young people.
00:42:35
Jo
Oh, you know.
00:42:37
Amelie
18 to 25 years old, nobody takes you seriously.
00:42:37
Jo
Yeah.
00:42:41
Amelie
Everybody wants to fuck with you. 18 to 25 years old, nobody takes you seriously. Everybody wants to fuck with you. And I heard a countless girls who reported me, that manager, that person doesn't want to raise me or don't want to employ me or take give me some responsibility. However, when it's to DM me during a party or doing stuff behind the scene.
00:43:04
Jo
Right.
00:43:08
Jo
First one I'll come to. Second one I'll come to. Third one I'll come to.
00:43:11
Amelie
petite mademoiselle.
00:43:11
Jo
Four more.
00:43:12
Amelie
In France, mademoiselle. It's for women who are not married.
00:43:15
Jo
Women. I mean, like the...
00:43:17
Amelie
Mademoiselle. Amélie, ma petite mademoiselle, ma little mademoiselle. How are you today?
00:43:22
Jo
Oh my God, how fucking degrading.
00:43:23
Amelie
With the two instead of vous and Geoffrey, young men. Vous, vous, le vous-voiement, vous.
00:43:30
Jo
Oof. Oof.
00:43:30
Amelie
That's why I ran out from France. I'm like, nah, nah, nah. I'm going to a country like Germany where everybody is Frau, Frau, Frau, Madame, Madame, Madame.
00:43:38
Jo
Oof. but out
00:43:39
Amelie
And I will come back to France when I'm past 25 years old and we will see. There is this, ah, ah, ça m'a fait mal. It really hurts me to see that scene because that's what I like, Bill Harder's theory, because it's not just a theory about a killer.
00:43:50
Jo
Well,
00:43:54
Jo
yeah.
00:44:00
Jo
No.
00:44:00
Amelie
and mafia and stuff, it's also the backstage of Hollywood, being a writer, being a screenwriter, being an artist, being an old actor, young actor, famous, not famous, camera, light.
00:44:10
Jo
Right.
00:44:14
Jo
All above.
00:44:16
Amelie
And they touch different kind of topic from the people from the countryside who dream to be a Hollywood star to the people who are real good actors and band to...
00:44:23
Jo
Yeah.
00:44:28
Amelie
to a lot of topics like violence, alcohol, alcohol drugs, and abuse, and family, and background, and dream, and sexuality, and stuff like.
00:44:36
Jo
Yeah. All one.
00:44:37
Amelie
And what I really like, it's when I see that scene, I'm like, fuck, it's lived. shes she's not She's not like the other actress, like with fake teeth and stuff. She she tried to get the job, and I'm sure she would have got the job, because she's a good actress.
00:44:53
Amelie
And when she's in the silver car, and she, bam, bam, I'm like,
00:44:53
Jo
Well. Yeah.
00:44:57
Amelie
I've been in that situation when I want to get the job and they're like, oh, but you can be a hostess. And you're like, but I had the interview with you over the phone. Yeah, you have a lovely voice, but you're too young. Okay, so what can you give me?
00:45:12
Amelie
Hostess!
00:45:14
Jo
yeah
00:45:14
Amelie
And I'm like, I'm a receptionist. I've got a diploma from a reception. I've been working in different hotels around Europe. I come here, I speak English fluently. They told you from that agency I work with,
00:45:26
Amelie
I want to get the job. Do you understand? Yeah, but you can be a hostess. She's cute. a i Or people who don't want to sign you because they're like, if I sign you, are you going to get pregnant?
00:45:40
Jo
Welcome to the nineteen fifty s
00:45:40
Amelie
I'm like, what the fuck? Like, seriously?
00:45:46
Jo
Yeah.
00:45:46
Amelie
You're like, it's not normal. It's not okay.
00:45:49
Jo
Well, here... They're
00:45:50
Amelie
So when I saw her crying in the car and stuff, I'm like, sheesh.
00:45:53
Jo
connected.
00:45:55
Amelie
Fuck. And I don't want to be an actress. I want to be a receptionist. I'm like, fuck, I understand you. and understand you so bad.
00:46:01
Jo
It's... She was every woman at one point.
00:46:05
Amelie
Yeah.
00:46:05
Jo
And you know, like, yeah, that's what I connect.
00:46:06
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:06
Jo
Okay. Yeah. I see that. and You know, that's why I have to ask this. is one Thank you for for sharing that. because That's why i was like, man, it really hits you. And for me, it shows her character of like, she's trying to be an actress. She's trying to be an actress. She's trying to be an actress. She's trying to be an actress.
00:46:22
Jo
And then she keeps being discounted because she's a woman. But as someone spoiler alert, for those of you who are not viewing this on YouTube, growing up as a guy,
00:46:36
Jo
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. a We get the boy thing when everyone's, well, hey boy, I'm like, the fuck, what fuck that about? But no, as you're saying, like the Vue Garçon, you know, it it's very one-sided, we'll say. Like, very rare would a guy go into a place and go through a interview process Where it's kind of like, yeah, but you know you you're just a cute face.
00:47:09
Jo
I mean, you basically have to be fucking Brad Pitt level. You know, like colton ha like these very great looking Colton Haynes, like very great looking guys who do have a lot of talent. Both of them have a lot of talent.
00:47:24
Jo
But you have to be like almost that level. Or Brendan Fraser. Brendan Fraser, especially in the day, was going through all these movies. And then it goes through a hellish fucking sexual assault.
00:47:37
Jo
and then pops up. So we're good. Sometimes the people on the, you know, or who are had to go through a Harry Weinstein.
00:47:45
Amelie
have you ever find yourself in that situation? When you want a job and...
00:47:49
Jo
I've been meat.
00:47:52
Jo
I've been meat before. The funny thing I found myself both situations. I found myself in Napa's situation. Growing up, I wanted to to do, like be a busboy.
00:48:03
Jo
Or go out because busboys get tips. And I was too ugly for the front. That's so that's what the restaurant guy told me. That's why I could only be a dishwasher.
00:48:12
Amelie
What? We just, what?
00:48:14
Jo
Yeah. I know, man. So, and I believe that shit. I'm like, okay. that So that's why I'm like, I'll never be a fucking bus boy. Not even a waiter. but it didn't even want to be a waiter or a barred back or anything like that. i just wanted to be like the bus, take away the dishes and get some kind of tips going.
00:48:29
Jo
Like, no, no, no, man. We we can't have you up front. you You belong back in education. No one can see you.
00:48:35
Amelie
No.
00:48:36
Jo
And he actually, he actually told me I was too ugly for Yeah.
00:48:39
Amelie
No. Like, I understand if he would say to you, oh, you're too tall to be a busboy.
00:48:39
Jo
Yeah.
00:48:43
Amelie
I rather prefer you to be in the back because you're a big fella.
00:48:43
Jo
No. No.
00:48:46
Amelie
You can do this and that. What about plunge? Would you like to be a dish pig?
00:48:49
Jo
No.
00:48:50
Amelie
Because it earns really far. You know, that kind of thing. But saying to you, you're too ugly to be a busboy.
00:48:55
Jo
I was too ugly. Yeah, this is that this is the job that Eric, if you're listening, my friend Eric called in and quit for me. And the guy's like, you don't sound like Joe. He's like, yeah, I have a cold.
00:49:06
Jo
Click. And we watched a movie or played basketball or some shit like that. so I'm like, yeah, you know, That's how much respect i you gave me and I don't need to give you any back then. But I did appreciate the job. I honestly do appreciate that job.
00:49:20
Jo
I did. But I also grew up in Vegas where I believe you describe me as like the Superman in the body. like so like Guys, if you saw me when i was younger, I looked like a fucking action hero with a dick.
00:49:31
Amelie
yes
00:49:36
Amelie
Yes.
00:49:37
Amelie
Yes, definitely.
00:49:37
Jo
Like, look.
00:49:37
Jo
Right.
00:49:38
Amelie
Like too much. Like it was over the top.
00:49:41
Jo
Right.
00:49:41
Amelie
I was like, when I saw you for the first time, because when you're like, I'm a writer and I'm an American and I'm an intellectual, I've got a PhD. I'm like, oh, okay. It's going to be a big dude. Like I was this Europeanized idea of you.
00:49:57
Amelie
And when I saw you with your green fluo pants coming like that, toot, toot, toot, in Paris train station, I was like, what's that?
00:50:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:08
Amelie
And you come closer to me. So you come bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. bigger bigger bigger bigger bigger And you were two meters tall. And I was looking at you like that. And you were like an action hero in V.
00:50:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:20
Amelie
I was like, what's that?
00:50:21
Jo
Yeah.
00:50:22
Amelie
Like that, that, that, that.
00:50:23
Jo
But
00:50:24
Amelie
If I had to write an essay and describe you, i my my English teacher would be like, too much Batman and a too much Superman and Batman.
00:50:24
Jo
but
00:50:31
Jo
Too much Batman. Put that down, man.
00:50:33
Amelie
I'm like, you're so American in the sense of the Joe with the little facet here, the V and the Tom Puzzle.
00:50:39
Jo
Still, no.
00:50:43
Amelie
I'm very tall. like Like the time the waitress in Jane Conn, she gave me a one liter glass of Coca-Cola. I wanted a simple breath and you gave me the letter of Coca-Cola.
00:50:51
Jo
A small. who is small. Yeah.
00:50:55
Amelie
Here I am! donron Super Joe!
00:50:57
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:50:58
Amelie
Look at me, how big I am!
00:50:59
Jo
Well, that's the thing. but Besides the junk kind thing, it was funny because you thought like, that's a pitcher? I'm like, no, that's your glass. we We just get one of those. I'm like, that's the pitcher. How much sugar? Don't look at the fucking calorie content. It's like 400 calories, 3,000 grams of sugar.
00:51:14
Jo
You're going to die by drinking two of these. But...
00:51:16
Amelie
Hi, sir. Can I have a cup of coffee, please? Just a small cup of coffee. Sure, there's no problem. Clack, clack, boom.
00:51:22
Jo
Small cup.
00:51:22
Amelie
Yeah, that's small cup.
00:51:23
Jo
well
00:51:24
Amelie
Excuse me, sir. I said a small cup. That's a small cup.
00:51:26
Jo
That's the smallest we have.
00:51:28
Amelie
Huh? And I was walking to the stand with my hand burning like this. How can I?
00:51:33
Jo
Yeah, I know. I was like, I can hold that for a second.
00:51:34
Amelie
No!
00:51:35
Jo
can't feel shit. But yeah, it would but but that's exactly it. why like you We talked before we met. And so you knew but the but rest of my PhDs are over there.
00:51:47
Jo
You knew that side, right? Imagine being in Las Vegas and only seeing me at a club. meat. Just fucking meat.
00:51:58
Jo
Right? Right? Right. So, but I didn't have to get a job that way. Although I did get a job bouncing once, just probably because the way looked.
00:52:09
Jo
But yeah, it like I get that aspect of it, but not as much as obviously you would. Like you were being judged before you opened your mouth.
00:52:20
Jo
Like you are automatically judged as the cute girl.
00:52:21
Amelie
I was not taken seriously. I was not taken seriously. I had everyone, yeah, the cute little, the fragile little girl. The fragile little girl, you know, like,
00:52:29
Jo
Oh yeah, because... Yeah. Right.
00:52:33
Amelie
But the fragile little girl, now she lives in Jacob-El-Dakon, she's got set of triplets, you know what I mean?
00:52:37
Jo
Went through the fucking world, yeah.
00:52:37
Amelie
And now the world changed, like I'm over 30 years old, I'm a mother, I'm married, I've got a job. When I... I had my last job interview.
00:52:48
Amelie
i was really stressed. I'm like, okay, I need to prove myself. Oh, you're married, you have three kids and you're French.
00:52:52
Jo
Done.
00:52:53
Amelie
Okay, cool. Welcome.
00:52:55
Jo
Next.
00:52:55
Amelie
But I don't speak German that way. Oh, it's okay. You're going to learn on the...
00:52:59
Jo
You learn.
00:52:59
Amelie
Okay, cool.
00:52:59
Jo
It's only German. It's just language you learn.
00:53:02
Amelie
and And I do speak German very well. It's just a problem of self-esteem. I do speak German very well.
00:53:07
Jo
You speak Ireland very well.
00:53:07
Amelie
I've got German friends and everything. and And yeah, I'm fine with that.
00:53:09
Jo
No, really.
00:53:12
Amelie
It's just a problem of me self-esteem. But In France, I remember that. That was a cute little lady. Such a cute little girl. Just be cute at the reception. Do the accounting. Attract men.
00:53:23
Amelie
Attract men. That's all. That's all. And I'm very, tough you know me, I'm a tomboy. You know, I'm not that feminine. and I don't have this feminine aura.
00:53:30
Jo
right
00:53:31
Amelie
I wish I had, but I don't. And I was like, oh, that's terrible. Because had all that dream. You know me since I'm 17 years think. 18, 17 years old.
00:53:41
Amelie
eighteen seventeen years old I entered a college and I met you basically. So 18 years old, for sure, sure 18. And I was working at McDonald's and I said to you, I want to have a better job.
00:53:41
Jo
Really?
00:53:51
Amelie
I want to travel the world. want to to do something with my life, right?
00:53:55
Jo
I said, I'll buy you a car.
00:53:55
Amelie
And being, yeah.
00:53:57
Jo
Oh, goddammit. I got you teddy bear and syrup.
00:53:58
Amelie
And I say, I want a cup of coffee.
00:53:59
Jo
Fuck.
00:54:00
Amelie
And the coffee was too big, right?
00:54:02
Amelie
On start of the coffee, the luxurious one.
00:54:02
Jo
yeah
00:54:05
Amelie
But the thing is, when you want to get a job, you need to sell yourself like an interview, right? You need to say, hey, monsieur, want you to to take me in contract and I want you to take me seriously.
00:54:13
Jo
yeah
00:54:21
Amelie
I'm an adult and everything. And you're already 20 years old and you're just a kid, right? And you try to prove you can be employed, respected and everything. And how they call you? petite mademoiselle, my little cutie, etc. And you're like, I'm sure if I had a dick, you would consider me differently, you know what I mean?
00:54:40
Jo
Suck it. Suck my dick, as Sally said.
00:54:43
Amelie
Yes, you can suck my dick, how dare you?
00:54:44
Jo
Right? So... You see that and maybe that' that explains Sally because Sally's in her 30s. She's probably been through this for at least five to six years of shit just like this.
00:54:56
Jo
Where it's starting to get like she's not landing the roles because the way she looks is fresh. You know, it's the what the actual fuck. i I worked at my craft. I do this fucking shit. I'm not brand new. i have a demo reel. What the actual fuck do I to do now?
00:55:13
Jo
you know And she's just frustrated.
00:55:13
Amelie
shrimp. Yes.
00:55:14
Jo
She's just give me a fucking interview. And it's not even like, I don't want, guess she would like the job itself, but just get me the point where I can read.
00:55:16
Amelie
yes
00:55:23
Jo
Because she wasn't even allowed to fucking read, which is insane. It's fucking shit. And then you you see some of that, we'll say callousness of her character probably comes from all the hurt that she's gone through in her professional fucking and later on personal life.
00:55:41
Jo
You know, this is building the fucking wall as Pink Floyd would do.
00:55:44
Jo
And then you see Barry saying, hey, here's this fucking big thing, a big gesture thing.
00:55:45
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:55:50
Jo
And she's like, what the actual fuck, Barry? We gave hints. I'm not with you right now. We never said we were with each other. You were just coming, dropping this off. It looks like you're trying to buy me at this point. Like, I'm not a China doll. I'm like, or something, whatever my book actually says.
00:56:06
Jo
And you see that, and then this is where Barry invites Chris. And Chris but invites two Marines to go with them. And the Hollywood types and the Marines do not mix together because the Marines, were ah they're all jarheads.
00:56:19
Jo
And I'm using that in a very affectionate way. They're all go go go, go, go, kill, kill, kill, the far out, let's do 25,000 pushups, let's like wrestle, they're meatheads.
00:56:29
Amelie
they're little bit dumb. it They slap each other.
00:56:30
Jo
yeah Yeah, we probably all know people like this.
00:56:32
Amelie
Boom, boom, boom. So Chris, the friend, looks like a former Marine who is now settled down with wife and kids and stuff.
00:56:40
Jo
has a life wife and kids
00:56:42
Amelie
He's very happy to be with Barry. And it's really interesting how they're introduced because you can see the horse that goes to Barry and they have a lovely conversation.
00:56:52
Amelie
This is my friend Chris. He was to marry.
00:56:54
Jo
yes vaughn and taylor bro yeah
00:56:54
Amelie
And he said, okay, What about the two other guys and the camera turn and you see the worst of the worst, like goofy guy. Hey, stop me. bo I don't feel it. boost you know Read Dumby and Dumbo. You know what I mean?
00:57:06
Jo
Yeah. And that's exactly it. But the put prefer perfect thing is this gives time because Fuchs wants Barry to do a raid on the Bolivia and Stash House.
00:57:18
Jo
And Barry's like, that's not a fucking hit. It's a fucking raid. You're going killed, man. It's like, like like how many people are in this? Like 25? Like, what the fuck? I need a team for this. And Fuchs is like, no, no, you can do it.
00:57:29
Jo
I have faith in you.
00:57:29
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, deal with it, deal with it, do it.
00:57:30
Jo
yeah I'll get your back way back. Yeah. Deal with it. And so we fast forward to the end of the episode, right?
00:57:33
Amelie
and yeah huh
00:57:37
Jo
And we see Taylor now.
00:57:38
Amelie
And the thing and the think is, during the rehearsal with the teacher, he learned how to give his point when he's frustrating and stuff.
00:57:49
Amelie
so
00:57:49
Jo
Yeah.
00:57:50
Amelie
When he's about to be fake-frustrated, he goes to the golf club where Fuchs is. He's like, you, piece of shit, you want me to do that job? You're not going to dirt your hands? I'm done with that.
00:58:00
Jo
Yeah.
00:58:01
Amelie
I'm out of it. so that i dadada that And he just left.
00:58:03
Jo
he He's growing balls.
00:58:05
Amelie
And Fuchs doesn't give a fuck. He just plays with his golf club, right?
00:58:09
Jo
Yep.
00:58:10
Amelie
But we're happy for Barry. Barry stands up for himself.
00:58:14
Jo
For a second. And then ah so is the Matthew Perry. If you ever want to see addiction, have don't read Matthew Perry's book.
00:58:26
Jo
Get the audio version of Matthew Perry's book where he reads it to you because by this time, his voice is kind of done He's not high, at least he's saying he's not high, but he's got that permanent slur from being fucking high so much.
00:58:42
Jo
And it's like, everything is good. You don't, you do you know, Matt Perry is saying like, I don't have to touch drugs. I beat them. I'm rehab. I'm feeling great until something happens.
00:58:53
Jo
And that's Barry. Barry is done with killing. He's feeling great. He's awesome. He's living his life until something happens. When Sally rejects Barry, that's when he's like, maybe I'm just a fucking killer.
00:59:07
Jo
Maybe that's all. He goes back to Stoke.
00:59:09
Amelie
Any redacts?
00:59:10
Jo
You know, like Soka was like, maybe I'm just a fucking killer.
00:59:11
Amelie
You redacts? Yeah.
00:59:14
Jo
And that's what he goes out to do. And then Taylor's like, oh, I want to join you because he wants something. saw the cash. Barry's fucking flung around. Like I know you're getting it from somewhere. And then this is where a lot of of the like that the ah ah people in that line would be like the mercs usually come from the armed forces and they get shit on when they come back to the states or whatever country they're in. they can make like I can make thousands of dollars or shit I got paid hundreds of dollars to do?
00:59:43
Jo
Okay. Sure. Why not? And that's how we end it. That's how we end it. And we see that, you know, Taylor is going to be part of the plan if people want to be or not.
01:00:01
Jo
He kind of invites himself. And that's how that's how the episode ends. And I think chapter four, Commit to You, is great because we can see more of Sally. Her character starts to really blossom, right?
01:00:14
Jo
We see also the fragility of Barry at the same time where he's like, I want to be, and then goes down again.
01:00:15
Amelie
Yeah.
01:00:22
Jo
You know, we we're seeing two very, I don't want to see corrupted people. They're human. They got scars. They got issues. They got troubles. They're fucking people can relate to because you got at least one of those fucking scars yourself.
01:00:35
Jo
Somewhere, and you watch the show, you're going to relate the least one of these fucking characters because you've been through this shit in some form or another.
01:00:40
Amelie
yeah And that's the magic of this show. It's just showing people who are not just black and white.
01:00:43
Jo
Yeah.
01:00:46
Amelie
They're gray and everybody's complicated. Maybe she's a dumbass, but why is she dumbass? Because she didn't have the education.
01:00:51
Jo
Why?
01:00:52
Amelie
Why she a bitch?
01:00:53
Jo
Right.
01:00:53
Amelie
Ah, Ah, because she was abused, etc., etc.
01:00:55
Jo
Why?
01:00:55
Amelie
So why, why, why?
01:00:57
Jo
We're getting the the background scene of it, and I love it.
01:00:57
Amelie
sir
01:01:00
Jo
So if you like this deep dive, we got more. Next week, we got chapter five. Do your job, Barry. Do your job. Or as my light great grandmother say, do your fucking job, Jerry.
01:01:11
Jo
All right. For and Amelie. for joe and emily I'm saying have a good day. Like, subscribe, all that shit. If you're still with us, bezu, bezu motherfuckers.
01:01:22
Jo
Love y'all. Bye-byes. Nope, wrong one. Good enough. Awesome. Bye, everyone.