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Barry S1E2 "Use It" - Emotional Awakening & Dark Comedy Analysis
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Episode Summary
In this episode of Streamin' Demons, hosts Jo and Amelie dive deep into Barry Season 1, Episode 2 "Use It." They explore how Barry begins to experience genuine emotional reactions following Ryan's death, particularly during the memorial scene with Ryan's father. The hosts analyze the self-centered nature of the acting class, the manipulative relationship between Barry and Fuches, and draw fascinating parallels between Barry and Dexter. This episode highlights the show's brilliant balance of dark comedy and emotional depth as Barry struggles with his emerging humanity.
Episode Timestamps
- 00:00 - Introduction and episode overview
- 01:50 - Recap of Ryan's death and the acting class's reaction
- 03:13 - Discussion of the memorial and the actors' self-centered responses
- 05:50 - Exploration of different types of friendships and social dynamics
- 10:06 - Analysis of the "Doubt" scene selection and its significance
- 14:30 - The realistic portrayal of police work in the show
- 28:48 - Barry and Fuches' relationship development
- 29:25 - The interrupted torture scene and domestic reality
- 32:24 - Barry's emotional breakdown at the memorial
- 33:19 - How Barry is learning to be human through acting
- 34:39 - Comparisons between Barry and Dexter
- 36:03 - The awkward interaction between Barry and Sally
Key Discussion Points
- How Barry's acting class serves as a pathway to his emotional awakening
- The contrast between Hollywood fantasy and the realistic portrayal of crime
- Character analysis of Sally and her self-centered nature
- The brilliance of Bill Hader's writing and character development
- The show's unique blend of comedy and emotional depth
Resources Mentioned
- Dexter (TV series) - Compared to Barry's character development
- Doubt (Film) - Referenced in the acting class scene
- Bill Hader's work on Saturday Night Live
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Transcript
Introduction and Setup
00:00:00
Jo
Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends. Step inside, step inside. Today on Streaming Demons, we have Barry Season 1, Episode 2. Use it. Just like they say about the Force, or maybe the thing on the Q-tip should never put in your... Whatever.
00:00:18
Jo
All this more of Amelie on...
00:00:20
Amelie
Hello. Hello.
00:00:22
Jo
Hit it.
00:00:31
Jo
Oh, you stopped it. That was the way to go this time. Hey, everyone. Joe here. How are you doing? Hope you're doing well because you're doing fantabulous. If you listened last week, good for you.
00:00:43
Jo
You've already done half the work. Good for you. You should also you know like and subscribe now because we might be talking about some shit about Barry, son. So season one, episode two but of Barry, use it.
00:00:56
Jo
So Amelie, we talked about Barry overhaul overall. We talked about last week.
00:01:01
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:01:02
Jo
We talked about, and yes, we're wearing the same t-shirts
Barry's Journey and Emotional Landscape
00:01:05
Jo
this week. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. We're definitely not recording this all at once. We talked about Barry, the journey of the first episode, and kind of setting the scene.
00:01:15
Jo
So when we watch this one, use it. It's you don't know where Barry is going to go after basically killing the Christians.
00:01:26
Jo
You know, we have the camera, so we know something bad is going to happen. Plus, it's as as a series, not like a one-off. So we know things are going to happen. When we see this, we talk about the actor being dead, right?
00:01:43
Jo
Like the actor, like the Ryan was killed.
00:01:43
Amelie
Correct.
00:01:47
Jo
Barry didn't quite do it. It was Barry's job, but he didn't quite do it.
00:01:50
Amelie
correctay
00:01:51
Jo
But everyone finds out during acting class that Ryan got killed. And so it's kind of like, ah ah everyone's a surprise it' except for Barry. It's like, oh, oh yeah, go I have to act surprised now. hu hi Dad.
00:02:07
Jo
And the way Gene takes it, we're talking about if Gene is a good guy or not. Remember, instead of saying, oh, my God, one of our fellow actors just died.
00:02:17
Jo
Let's take some time. He's like, by the way, this counts as a full session. You know, you have to you ever to pay me for this class. And use this grief in your acting.
00:02:25
Amelie
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:02:26
Jo
It's so focused, like use this in your acting, you know. this is This is how you should be acting methods. This this is how you do it And, here's my podcast or my microphone. for So you have all this and you have then the LAPD come in and try investigate everyone. And they're like, well, maybe we can investigate the acting studio, right? This is going to come on in.
00:02:52
Jo
But here's here's the thing that blows me away. of all of it, you have a memorial that the acting class is going to do for their friend, but all of them are so vapid that they aren't actually memorializing their friend.
00:03:12
Jo
They're doing it as like a highlight reel for their own career.
00:03:16
Amelie
Correct, yes.
00:03:17
Jo
You know?
00:03:17
Amelie
And it's ridiculous.
00:03:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:18
Amelie
And they take scenes or characters who are not good for the memorial of someone just passed away.
00:03:19
Jo
Right. Right.
00:03:26
Jo
Right. It's like, oh, i you know this really wasn't about him, but he he's told me that I should do this at monologue. It's like stuff like that. Like, oh my God, like your friend just got brutally murdered.
00:03:37
Jo
Like, take a second, take a second. And so I think that speaks to the plasticness of the maybe entertainment field itself.
Social Dynamics and Personal Experiences
00:03:47
Jo
You were saying school friends, like Barry never had school friends before and he misreads having colleagues or friends at school translating into having colleagues and friends outside of school.
00:03:58
Amelie
correct
00:03:58
Jo
but I think that's what you're saying last week. Yeah.
00:04:00
Amelie
yes
00:04:01
Jo
So when you're doing that, is that a common thing? Do people have, I don't know. Is that a common thing where people have, these are my school friends. These are my work friends. These are my whatever friends. Do people have like different segments of friends?
00:04:15
Amelie
I think so. I worked in the hostel and restoration for many, many years.
00:04:19
Jo
Right.
00:04:19
Amelie
I lived in a bed and breakfast for 15 years of my life. and we would see people having different kind of friends. Oh, this is Michael, my work friend.
00:04:29
Jo
Okay, if they qualify it.
00:04:29
Amelie
This is Jennifer. We play tennis together. is Sam. and We met at university and we gave relationship.
00:04:37
Jo
Right.
00:04:39
Amelie
And I can notice that, like, for example, with students who have a part-time job, work with them, go to the gym and go to school, they have different kind of friends. Oh, that's my friend from school. This is my friend, Pamela. We work together at McDonald's.
00:04:55
Amelie
And this is Jean.
00:04:55
Jo
Right.
00:04:56
Amelie
We work out, buddy. You see what I mean? So they have the circle of people like that. And they're very square. My partner, Stefan, who does quiz, for example, a prison board every Thursday, goes there.
00:05:08
Jo
Right. Right.
00:05:11
Amelie
He's great. He noticed people go to different quizzes as group of people like their school friends, their work friends, even in foreigner country foreign you have the French who stay with the French, who work with the French, who study with the French. They don't mix.
00:05:29
Amelie
So I think it's very common for people to stick together in a group. Are we a group with all actors from the same school? We're going to all live together. We're going to all go to the same bar to drink, etc.
00:05:45
Amelie
it's It's a group. They're a group.
00:05:47
Jo
Right. But are they different people outside that group? Meaning if I have my friends at work and I talk them at work and I hang out with them, maybe even do a lunch at work.
00:05:56
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:06:02
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:06:04
Jo
Are they same people if I run into them at a shopping store, like a grocery store?
00:06:14
Jo
Do you know i mean?
00:06:16
Amelie
As a person individual or as a people who work with a group of people, be friends with group of people, go out with a group of people?
00:06:21
Jo
Watch. How about this?
00:06:23
Amelie
Yeah.
00:06:24
Jo
you you You did reception at the Hard Rock, yes? Okay, so you had friends at the Hard Rock, yes?
00:06:30
Amelie
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:31
Jo
So if you ever saw those people outside, meaning like, oh, you're going to like, I have leg cramp.
00:06:34
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:06:38
Jo
You're going to the grocery store and you run into the grocery store. You're like, oh my God, that's my good friend. Or you're kind of like, oh fuck, it's this guy from work. What the fuck this guy from work doing here?
00:06:48
Amelie
Oh, that's really interesting. We were talking about that with my husband.
00:06:51
Jo
Okay.
00:06:52
Amelie
In Hard Rock Café, there's people who've been working for 10 years as waiter.
00:06:57
Amelie
And I'm like, how can you be a waiter for 10 years at Hard Rock Café?
00:06:57
Jo
Yeah.
00:07:00
Jo
People, Emily, Emily, and I need to give you lot of peace and love. If they watch this, they will know you're trash talking them right now. As long as you're okay with that.
00:07:09
Amelie
You're asking to my husband how I am. You have my Instagram and my Facebook boot and you don't message me. I say to you to invite me to beers if you want to know what's going on in my life. So I'm going to trash talk on you.
00:07:21
Jo
Okay. There you go.
00:07:22
Amelie
Bisous. So let's go.
00:07:23
Jo
Bees a beeser. Just making sure. Because sometimes people forget this actually recording and shit.
00:07:25
Amelie
Let's make some tea. I don't understand why some people work for 10 years in the same company like Arbre Cafe as a waiter because it's a very, very difficult job, right?
00:07:33
Jo
Yeah.
00:07:36
Amelie
And now I know because they have their micro calls,
00:07:36
Jo
All right.
00:07:40
Amelie
of friends. They're friends on Facebook, they go out together, they go on holiday together, sometimes they live together in the same flat because they're roommates.
00:07:47
Jo
Right.
00:07:48
Amelie
So there is a group like that for people. They do all everything together and when they quit the job Hard Rock Cafe to pursue another career, like for example, tattoo artist, barba in a different restaurant, etc.
00:07:56
Jo
right Yeah.
00:08:02
Amelie
like etc. They stay together because they know each other from Hard Rock Cafe. So Yes, there is this group of people who stay together, stick together.
00:08:13
Jo
So you think that one's more normal versus like the people who are doing the acting where like, oh oh, Ryan's dead. Oh, well.
00:08:21
Amelie
No, they're crying.
00:08:21
Jo
but Let's get a beer.
00:08:23
Amelie
They're crying. they They're shocked that Ryan is dead.
00:08:26
Jo
ryan yeah
00:08:27
Amelie
But they just are so self-centered instead of of making a real memorial or maybe... yeah drink beer and talk about him, just him, they use it to play different things. Like for example, Sally, she wants to do a scene from Doubt.
00:08:51
Jo
Which is a good movie. Phil Seymour Hoffman, I believe.
00:08:52
Amelie
Yes, excellent movie, but tepo about pedophily?
00:08:55
Jo
Meryl Streep.
00:08:56
Amelie
And Barry needs to play a pedo...
00:08:57
Jo
Possible pedophilia.
00:08:58
Amelie
i
00:09:00
Jo
but there's ass The movie's called Doubt for a reason.
00:09:01
Amelie
in the scene!
00:09:02
Jo
It's not called Slam Dunk. It's called Doubt.
00:09:03
Amelie
yeah that I'm playing a child molester do you think it's a good thing yeah yeah now now I did not hmm
00:09:09
Jo
He's playing a priest who may or may not be. Have you seen the movie? Have you seen the movie? yeah Okay, I did. I actually showed this movie in class before. It's a great psychological movie because the title Doubt.
00:09:24
Amelie
hmm
00:09:24
Jo
And it leaves you with doubt, is the guy an actual child molester?
00:09:28
Jo
Because you don't see anything. And if you look if you listen to as the movie is happening as an impartial person, you can take either side of the story. Because there's not enough evidence either way.
00:09:40
Jo
There's not enough evidence to make sure, its like, no, this guy absolutely did not touch this kid. Because what the movie wouldn't work. But there's not enough evidence to say this movie that this guy actually touched this fucking kid. evident i mean The movie wouldn't work that way either.
00:09:53
Jo
Doubt is a very aptly named movie. But for Barry, yes, if you just if you've never seen the movie Doubt and you're reading the screenplay, it's like, well, this guy fucked a kid.
00:10:04
Jo
like Why am I playing this guy?
00:10:04
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Like me who never watched the movie. The fuck is going on? Like a woman, what are you doing?
00:10:09
Jo
yeah Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's probably a proper way of of doing it because it really does work on stage. But the way she does it is kind of like, hey, we're going to play doubt. You're going be the the pedophile.
00:10:26
Jo
And I was like, oh, I can do with that. So you you have all this madness going on. And then Barry leaves this thing. And it's kind of weird because it was like, oh, my God, what kind of monster asshole would kill a guy like Ryan?
Humor and Realism in Barry
00:10:38
Jo
And Barry's like, oh, i don't know.
00:10:40
Amelie
But that's very beautifully white because she explained, oh, you know, it's about doubt. But, you know, it's about how you feel when you face the consequences and of your bad action, etc.
00:10:50
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:52
Amelie
And what happened? You see the father during the ceremony.
00:10:57
Jo
Yeah, later on, we'll see the father.
00:10:57
Amelie
And yes yeah, yeah.
00:10:59
Jo
Right.
00:11:00
Amelie
And everything changed. About that episode, it's not my favorite episode. watch it, but it's not my favorite tp episode.
00:11:09
Jo
Really?
00:11:10
Amelie
It's very goofy. The full episode from the beginning till almost the end is very goofy.
00:11:12
Jo
Okay.
00:11:18
Amelie
You see, for example, the police officer, she's investigating, you know, the different picture. You see the dead Chechen and everything. And she's like, hey, is my colleague crying this picture?
00:11:30
Amelie
Click. And that was a picture. Click. And that picture is crying everywhere. What's going on?
00:11:35
Jo
Yeah.
00:11:36
Amelie
Oh, you don't know. him and his partner, they broke up. Oh, really?
00:11:42
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
00:11:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:11:44
Amelie
sad, sad.
00:11:46
Amelie
I lost 300 bucks. He's like, oh, but you want less. How do you know? He's a private and he's big together.
00:11:52
Jo
Yeah.
00:11:53
Amelie
Like if he wanted to have a wife, he would have a different personality and stuff. And you see the IT crowd. And that's interesting because when you watch NCS, Miami, NCS, Las Vegas, American series,
00:12:06
Jo
They're all sexy.
00:12:07
Amelie
They can zoom, you know, on the picture and the snap of the fingers and click, click, click with their computer.
00:12:09
Jo
Oh. Yes.
00:12:12
Amelie
There's mini-mic screens like, I find the password. Click, click, click. But here you have two guys who are watching a video of YouTube from an advertising from Chichen Ita to try to understand how to log on the appareil.
00:12:27
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:28
Amelie
And later on, they try to the password. And she's just like, wait, I'm going to find the password. 001.
00:12:34
Jo
Password.
00:12:34
Amelie
zero zero one doesn't work, 002 doesn't work, 003, bloop, and she blocked everything.
00:12:42
Jo
Locked out. Yeah, yeah.
00:12:43
Amelie
she's like, why you didn't tell me? Well, you know, we didn't want you to yell at us. And she's like, oh, no, I have to call the FBI, and they are annoying. So instead of being very performant, you know, and do click, clack, boom, you have two idiots who are like, don't know, that's Chechen, we need to buy a cable and everything. It's...
00:13:02
Amelie
It's very slow. you know It's reality. It's slow. We don't know.
00:13:06
Jo
Right. And that, for me, that part works well, that slowness in the IT area, that, that like the, not the ones and zeros, like the, you know, the screen goes green and they're like, look, I'm going into, hacking. Like, no, you're not dick.
00:13:20
Jo
Come on, man. But I liked that reality of it. Now I'm not sure if they did the, the bet thing to show what kind of character she has or not. But yeah, I, I think they really played into that comedy bit a bit. It was like,
00:13:35
Jo
He even starts crying at the fucking scene, right? That cop starts crying in the scene. It's, it feels weird. It feels disjointed from the rest of the actual gravitas of the, of the episode where he just has some random cop dude crying because he's broken up with his wife.
00:13:42
Amelie
Yeah.
00:13:53
Amelie
Yeah.
00:13:54
Jo
Like, I don't remember that fucking cop ever comes back. Like, and I said, God, i have to watch it again. i don't know if that cop ever comes back into the series. I think it's just a one-off as a joke. And then they just went away. Like, fuck it.
00:14:07
Jo
So, yeah, I kind of get it where you're saying it might be a bit too much forced. I think that we force comedy for that aspect of it. And then go right back into the reality comedy of like the they're showing the dumber cop trying to like 001 002. I got locked out. Oh, no. You know.
00:14:24
Amelie
Oh, for example, when she's like, wait a minute, we have a camera.
00:14:24
Jo
you know
00:14:27
Amelie
Yeah, but I didn't know it was a camera. I thought it was like for weed or something feel like that. And so somebody on the back is like, I thought it was a laser. Yeah. Yeah, Steve thought it was a laser. You know what I mean?
00:14:36
Jo
Yeah, so that's realistic.
00:14:37
Amelie
I just like that. I like that.
00:14:38
Jo
Yeah, that's that's punchy.
00:14:38
Amelie
They don't know they just, you know, it's cute. But when you, you, you, I suppose both episodes, the first one when Bilader came out of the bathroom and he's a killer and the scene where he's like,
00:14:51
Jo
Yeah, he's doing the miming thing. What do we do here?
00:14:53
Amelie
Are we becoming actors? Yes, we are.
00:14:56
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:57
Amelie
then, all of a sudden, one of the students died. And it's like, oh.
00:15:03
Jo
did he? daddy wo geez. Oh, who did that? Oh, so yeah.
00:15:06
Amelie
Yeah.
00:15:07
Jo
Yeah.
Acting, Fame, and Authenticity
00:15:07
Jo
You, you have that. And i I really do enjoy the acting class being that, uh, emotionally stunted because they're all about, they all want to be a star or they all want to do this and they think it's gonna come easy to them and they're all doing this.
00:15:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:15:23
Jo
I've seen enough classes like that. They go, Oh, those douchebags. like though Like, oh, those motherfuckers. Yeah, i got I got that. Those motherfuckers. Got it, got it. Oh, you you did a commercial?
00:15:38
Jo
You did a commercial for Perina in Quebec? Nice. Cool. Oh, that's your entire career? Okay, cool. It's like, what the fuck? you you know like You're not Lord and Master because you did a commercial for Perina.
00:15:52
Jo
Fuck's sakes, the dog was more featured than you were. Like, dog owner number five.
00:15:55
Amelie
But they must have really
00:15:56
Jo
but You need to start out. I mean, I guess it's a real...
00:15:59
Amelie
bad problem of self-esteem or mental issue to want to become an actor, you know, and and be famous. It's not even just act for the art, you know, like, oh, I like theater and I'm a comedian or I write or do this and that.
00:16:13
Jo
Yeah. I want to learn how to act. Yes.
00:16:18
Amelie
Yeah, beautiful, amazing, right?
00:16:19
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:21
Amelie
It's more like I want to be famous.
00:16:24
Jo
Then kill someone. Easier ways to become famous.
00:16:26
Amelie
Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:27
Jo
Kill a bunch motherfuckers, you can be famous.
00:16:29
Amelie
Yeah, Edmundi.
00:16:30
Jo
But that's, you know, yeah, it's probably better on society in the long run. But that's exactly it. And you get people who really want to do There are some people I'm i'm thinking of right now, but I won't name them, but they are tremendously fucking well-trained actors.
00:16:47
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:16:47
Jo
who really just love studying the shit out of the art and then are fantastic stars in their own right.
00:16:50
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:16:54
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:16:54
Jo
And in most rights, actually, you know, they're they're household name type people. But because they spent all that time putting the work in, going to like the Juilliard school that they could afford it or lucky enough to do it, right? Going to these schools and really taking their art seriously and just crafting and holding it honing and really starting out low and doing those Purina commercials, but knowing that that's not the end of the career.
00:17:18
Jo
That's just the beginning of learning how to explore that commercial work, you know, learning all this stuff. And then, and then coming on, we had this, did we have this conversation yesterday?
00:17:28
Jo
and I was in the car.
00:17:30
Amelie
yeah
00:17:30
Jo
Yeah. Like what's the price of, we won't go into how the price of fame is it people knowing you.
00:17:31
Amelie
Yes, we did. of fame. Mm-hmm.
00:17:38
Jo
And it's like, but I forgot my fucking answer, but yeah. What was your answer? is Is the price of fame people having to know you?
00:17:47
Amelie
I said i was really scared if I was famous, I would be i would go crazy. Because you have people in front of you who know everything about you, your date of birth, your parents' name, where you live, where you were born, what's your favorite color, if you have any full allergy, etc., like etc.
00:17:56
Jo
Right.
00:18:03
Amelie
They know everything and you know nothing about them.
00:18:04
Jo
But you know nothing about them.
00:18:07
Amelie
Like Jimmy Carr said, it's fantastic to be famous. but it's like living in a village, a happy little village with Alzheimer. Everybody remembers you, but you don't remember who they are in front of you.
00:18:19
Jo
You remember them? Yeah.
00:18:21
Amelie
And I laugh about that, and I'm like, that's a lovely way to see things. But, like, for example, I imagine myself being like, for example, Selena Gomez.
00:18:32
Amelie
I watched the documentary about Selena Gomez with her mental issue and a disease she's got.
00:18:37
Jo
Selena Gomez.
00:18:40
Amelie
What disease she has? yeah she yeah a Yeah, I know.
00:18:42
Jo
But you're doing, but you know what, Emily? You're doing it right now. She has this mental issue. She has a disease. You're doing exactly what you said. Because you're like, oh, you know, so I'm saying like.
00:18:51
Amelie
I know because she talked about it. you know she She's open about the idea of she has a mental issue. She opened about it. She did a documentary just about that. The consequence of a mental issue plus the consequence of an operation because she had
00:19:07
Jo
No.
00:19:08
Amelie
know the word in French, but not in in English.
00:19:09
Jo
No. Say it in French then. Fuck it.
00:19:12
Amelie
Le rein. Le rein. Une opération. Une greffe du rein.
00:19:16
Jo
Okay.
00:19:16
Amelie
Not the liver, but anyway, she had a a transplant organ because she has a very bad disease.
00:19:19
Jo
Kidney.
00:19:22
Jo
Probably. Okay.
00:19:25
Amelie
I don't remember the disease, but it's okay.
00:19:27
Jo
ah ah Okay.
00:19:27
Amelie
The documentary followed her with her ups and downs, with her mental issues linked to the medication she takes because she has a disease and she has a chronic illness. But at the same time, you see her life backstage, without makeup, without filter, like her day-to-day life.
00:19:45
Jo
Sort of.
00:19:45
Amelie
But you want to go banana. It's not beautiful. You have thousands and thousands of people.
00:19:49
Jo
i mean.
00:19:51
Amelie
You have to sing in front of. She's sick. She has enough. She has a chronicness. And sometimes she just wants to jump out the window. There is that scene where there's little girls like,
00:20:02
Amelie
Every year celebrate right your birthday, Selena. I love you so much and I love my favorite color, his this and that and that and she's like, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
00:20:09
Jo
but they're fucking kids. I mean, shit I mean.
00:20:13
Amelie
And I'm like, oh, what the fuck, in over again and over again.
00:20:15
Jo
But, okay, here's the thing.
00:20:16
Amelie
And I'm like, no.
00:20:18
Jo
They're fucking children. They should be ah ah excited about shit. Like, I mean, honestly, God, watch. couple things. This is what I'm hearing, and we'll get back to very, very soon.
00:20:28
Jo
Very soon. Very soon. But, a couple things.
00:20:37
Jo
It's like this. One, You don't really see her life. You see a frame of her life. That's not really her life. That's the documentary. it can be a documentary, but she's still editing it.
00:20:48
Jo
It's still being script me scripted to a point, but that is a polished version. Even the the dark side is the polished version of that dark side.
00:21:00
Jo
You're not seeing her take a shit, are you? Isn't that like, oh, this is 10 minutes of Selena Gomez taking a shit, is it? like This is like her taking a piss right now. You know, like, no, you don't see that part, do you?
00:21:11
Jo
I mean, I don't watch it. I'm asking, do you? Okay.
00:21:12
Amelie
No, no, no, no. me You see her like ah ah ups and downs, how she she's upset or for example they...
00:21:16
Jo
She's not taking a shit in front of you, are is she? Okay, she's upset. Great. But she's not taking the actual shit in front of you.
00:21:23
Amelie
No, no, no, no.
00:21:24
Jo
So it's fake. So what I'm saying. it's It's a polished version.
00:21:27
Amelie
So you think if I need to do a documentary about you, like I decide to be to do ah ah to make a documentary about you because you're so mysterious and amazing and everything, should I film you taking a shit?
00:21:39
Jo
If you want to actually have a truthful thing, at the tree you have to actually film me at all times and use it unfiltered. Otherwise, you're telling a story. You can tell a story about me, but it's not true.
00:21:49
Amelie
But it's not a documentary, like Polish documentary. It's people finish film following her and after, yeah, it's voiceover.
00:21:53
Jo
Yeah, that's great, but it's still a story.
00:21:58
Amelie
It's her and cut and everything.
00:21:59
Jo
But it's still a story.
00:22:00
Amelie
Yeah,
00:22:01
Jo
It's a story from a certain point of view. i mean, that's what they're having to
00:22:04
Amelie
but you see from the backstage, you see what mean?
00:22:05
Jo
I'm not saying documentaries have to be this, but...
00:22:08
Amelie
You see her friends backstage, her going through a medical...
00:22:08
Jo
Yeah, but you're seeing her from backstage from a certain point of view. She's not going, that fucking asshole 12-year-old. She's not doing any of that.
Barry's Internal Struggles
00:22:19
Amelie
But you can see, but you can look, but you can see the...
00:22:19
Jo
Maybe she does.
00:22:20
Jo
Maybe she doesn't do that. But you will never know that. No, you see that you see a cut. and All documentaries are cuts. All of them are cut.
00:22:28
Amelie
Yes, but you can see the point of view. Like, it's not glamorous clip when she dances and everything. It's her, like...
00:22:37
Jo
Because she wants you to see that.
00:22:40
Amelie
Yes, her point of view.
00:22:40
Jo
But doesn't mean it's... Right, right, right, right, right.
00:22:44
Jo
No. ah you But are you seeing her point of view? Are you seeing a polished version of what she wants you to see?
00:22:44
Amelie
illnesses.
00:22:51
Amelie
It's not Polish. It's not Polish.
00:22:54
Jo
It's...
00:22:54
Amelie
She wanted it to be dirty. She wanted to show you.
00:22:57
Jo
Oh, I can guarantee.
00:22:58
Amelie
Show her, Kimé.
00:22:58
Jo
wasz who Guys, we're taking a small time from Barry.
00:23:00
Amelie
Yeah.
00:23:01
Jo
What's this what's this thing called? Selena Gomez something? I don't give a shit about Selena Gomez, but...
00:23:04
Amelie
I don't know, Selena Gomez, it's a documentary about her being sick and having a chronic illness and being depressed and everything.
00:23:06
Jo
Gomez documentary. All right. So Selena Gomez, my mind and me. Great. If this has any editing or has any type of film crew.
00:23:15
Amelie
Yes.
00:23:22
Jo
All right. So distributed by Apple plus Apple plus sure to fuck edited this by the way.
00:23:26
Amelie
Yes, but you can see like, how can I say, you can see her.
00:23:30
Jo
I'm sorry, man.
00:23:31
Amelie
I know it's not 100% perfect. So now I know. So ladies and gentlemen, if you want to make a documentary about my friend, Joe, a.k.a.
00:23:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:23:41
Amelie
Jimbo, a.k.a. Jim FedEx, you need to film him shitting.
00:23:43
Jo
but Sure, sure.
00:23:48
Amelie
We agree in the toilet with the sound and everything.
00:23:48
Jo
Well, here's the thing.
00:23:52
Jo
I don't think... I was around when reality TV first stuck and started, man. It's all a scam.
00:23:59
Amelie
I was around two!
00:23:59
Jo
It's all a scam.
00:24:00
Amelie
I was around two, dude! I was a baby, I was a kid, but I was around two!
00:24:04
Jo
Yeah, I was not. But um'm as I'm saying, like... Yeah, sure. It's a documentary and she's showing her point of, you know, she's showing her the the dirty part of her life, but she's editing this.
00:24:19
Jo
She has professional crew there.
00:24:22
Jo
You really want to show that. I mean, I'm not saying anyone should see her digging a shit. I'm not saying that. I'm saying unless it's like, this is really me at all times. This is me farting in bed.
00:24:36
Jo
It's just a smoke. It's smoke and mirrors. It's just fucking look at the prettiness.
00:24:39
Amelie
Yeah, but you can see a different point of view on her career, on her work and everything. everything Like how she lives, like she goes to hotel, to hotel, she doesn't remember which city it is and what country she is.
00:24:44
Jo
Sure.
00:24:50
Jo
i mean.
00:24:51
Amelie
She has to take her medication. She's exhausted because of the medication, because of the treatment, because of the stress of having to fill the stadium and following the contract, et cetera, et cetera.
00:25:03
Jo
Poor little rich girl.
00:25:03
Amelie
And she
00:25:04
Jo
I get it.
00:25:08
Jo
Strangle me all you want. She has the stress of filling up a stadium. Poor her. I'm sorry. I'm supposed to be fucking sorry for this person who has to fill up a stadium. And again, nothing bad about Selena Gomez. i'm not I'm not trying to trash her at all.
00:25:23
Jo
I don't know most of her work.
00:25:23
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:25:26
Jo
I might be able to pick her out in a crowd if you had like four people in the crowd. Like, oh, I think that's Selena Gomez, I guess. don't know. So nothing like that. I'm just saying that If she's putting a documentary on her, it's going to show what she wants to show.
00:25:43
Jo
When Val did a documentary on himself, it showed what Val Kilmer wanted to show about Val Kilmer. It's not going to show what other people want. And that's what documentaries are supposed to be about.
00:25:55
Jo
Super Size Me, documentary about eating fast food and gaining a bunch of weight and almost dying, shows that particular fucking point of view.
00:26:04
Amelie
yeah and he was not clicking a perky that's why yeah he's dead ah from his accolade
00:26:08
Jo
He's dead now, so he's ill. But we can do other things. We're talking about things, about documentaries. if you know Matt Perry's book is an autobiography. He's reading it.
00:26:20
Jo
So that's a version of his life and how he remembered It's not the truth. I'm not saying there's one singular truth. I don't ever believe there's one singular truth. I'm saying which version of it you're showing.
00:26:32
Jo
If you're saying in documentaries are true, they're not.
00:26:32
Amelie
Yeah, but...
00:26:35
Jo
Nothing is.
00:26:35
Amelie
You know, it's more the idea of she wants to show the madness of being famous.
00:26:42
Jo
Great.
00:26:42
Amelie
Like, voilà, that's what I mean.
00:26:43
Jo
Awesome. Beatles. Get it.
00:26:46
Amelie
Boom, bim-ba-da-boom, voilà, people who...
00:26:48
Jo
She's doing a hard day's night.
00:26:52
Jo
That's the madness of being famous. But yeah, i can I can see that. I can see that. And this is where it comes into the the show Barry because you see this as well.
Moral Conflicts and Emotional Growth
00:27:02
Jo
You see this this funeral happening or about to happen, right? And then you're like oh my God, our friend died. And yet they all go spiraling into their own selves. Instead of like, instead of going, oh my God, did he have family?
00:27:14
Jo
How's his parents doing? How is this, the mom, the girl, the the wife he was banging? Like, how are they doing?
00:27:20
Amelie
Yeah. Or even organize flowers or you see something like that.
00:27:27
Jo
Right, so it just it just goes like, then do, oh, I can do a scene from, you know, he inspired me to do this scene and this is very much me, me, me.
00:27:33
Amelie
and
00:27:34
Jo
me You know, that's my whole point.
00:27:35
Amelie
Except one person, when you watch them leaving the school, there is a brunette
00:27:38
Jo
Which one?
00:27:42
Amelie
who's like, oh, yeah, we should organize something. What about you come to my house? And Sally cuts her. He's like, let's go to the bar. I've got a friend who's working that night, and he can cut us a deal.
00:27:51
Jo
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's her role in the show is just to be the person who's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we're actually doing since then. Yeah, it's the ah one person who's actually from the Midwest and she's always trying to show you know shine.
00:28:05
Jo
And she does have a part in a different episode coming up.
00:28:06
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:28:11
Jo
But I think that she gets a little bit to shine a bit and a little bit too much maybe. But yeah, for this one, and and we we see this and they go off and then Barry visits Fuchs at his hotel room.
00:28:22
Jo
And Fuchs is like, you know, damn it. Now, like, Chexons are trying to kill Barry and they're talking about this, you know, Barry wants Fuchs out of town. But Fuchs is moving in and trying to go to war against him. But Fuchs is not going to be shooting anyone. Barry's going to be the shooting, you know.
00:28:37
Jo
And all of this is happening. And then Sally calls about doubt.
00:28:41
Amelie
Oh, yeah.
00:28:41
Jo
This is where Barry steps out to take the phone call and we see the the the glass.
00:28:41
Amelie
That's funny scene. that's a funny
00:28:45
Jo
We see Fuchs getting the shit kicked out of him because the check-ins find him and they start beating the shit out him, right?
00:28:47
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:28:53
Amelie
Yep.
00:28:53
Jo
We see all this stuff and they kidnap him. So you you have all of this. All of this. And then you now you have the dynamic of just Barry and Fuchs together being tortured.
00:29:06
Amelie
Correct.
00:29:07
Jo
But they don't torture Barry because they're like, we can't get anything out of him.
00:29:07
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:29:10
Jo
So they're going to torture Fuchs to make Barry talk.
00:29:13
Amelie
Yes. And that's one of my favorite scenes of that episode.
00:29:17
Jo
Right.
00:29:18
Amelie
They come, they present the butcher. And he arrives, he's like, this is a guy.
00:29:22
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:24
Amelie
He's crazy. And with Chechen, look at him. He's got things. And he's got an apron. What the fuck?
00:29:30
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:31
Amelie
He's a total fucked up guy. He's got an apron. Look at the apron. He's like, who? And they come. And he comes to torture for the teeth. And he's like, yelling, oh my god, Barry, say you're going to kill her.
00:29:43
Amelie
I don't know how to think about it.
00:29:44
Jo
Like, I have to a reading.
00:29:44
Amelie
What do you mean you have to think about it? And you see this grandma coming. And everybody stops.
00:29:51
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:53
Amelie
And they tell us, like, well, there is a party over, sleepover, and we're making too much noise, so we're going to stop the torture, you know?
00:30:00
Jo
Yes. Right.
00:30:01
Amelie
and Yeah, yeah.
00:30:01
Jo
that They show the reality of it. its It's like the, hey, like the kids are having a sleepover. Can you keep the fuck down a bit?
00:30:08
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:30:08
Jo
As you torture someone in and our like like garage or basement. Yeah, but that's that's the, you know, there's there's a great, great mob TV show ah ah from Quebec and it's done by Kim Coates, I think, from Sons of Anarchy does it.
00:30:23
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:30:29
Jo
And he shows the realistic parts of the day-to-day. And that's what's kind of missing in a lot of the mob stuff usually. But that's what they showed here is like the day to day, like they had to live somewhere.
00:30:42
Jo
They're not in this fucking warehouse in middle of nowhere torturing people. These are the guys who are just like, hey, you know, ah I'm running a business downstairs. Usually it's not this noisy, but I got kids now.
00:30:54
Jo
And the kids are like, you know, they have a sleepover and they're just trying to get on with their lives. So I really like that domestic interruption.
00:31:00
Amelie
yeah
00:31:01
Jo
of the real life of it. And the wife couldn't give a crap other than the the noise level. Torture him, kill him, whatever. Just keep it down.
00:31:09
Amelie
yeah
00:31:10
Jo
You know, that's kind of how it goes. And then Barry finally says, oh, I agree. Fine. ill I guess I'll kill some people. Who have to kill now? Paco. Paco something. Paco Zambrana.
00:31:19
Amelie
But I like the scene because he's like, you don't have to touch him because if you touch him I will come for you. Barry, promise me you're going to go to kill that guy immediately.
00:31:30
Amelie
yes immediately and all of the sudden the thing is cut and you see him in Prius like being with his girlfriend and be like, okay.
00:31:34
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:38
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:39
Amelie
Yeah.
00:31:39
Jo
Immediately. Immediately after this. And they go to the the the thing for Ryan and they perform a piece and they they have all these things in the memorial and then Ryan's dad shows up at the memorial.
00:31:52
Amelie
yeah
00:31:52
Jo
And that's what it is. It's kind of like and Ryan's dad is there and saying, oh, I'm glad he has so many great friends like you. And Barry's like, can probably kill this guy.
00:32:04
Amelie
But that's when it's interesting because everything is goofy to that moment because Barry realized that the dad, he can't do that. And he start to panic and feel like really unwell.
00:32:17
Amelie
He felt guilty and so it maybe be the first time he felt guilty.
00:32:19
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:21
Amelie
So he turned and he goes out and he's limited having a panic attack. And his friend, Sally, who doesn't understand what's going on, is like, oh, it's very emotional.
00:32:31
Jo
Yeah.
00:32:33
Amelie
i understand. i I can't do it. I can't do it. any decade for it I can't do it too much. It's like, yeah, it's understandable. It's the emotion. You can use it for your toolkit to become an actor because that's what it is to be human.
00:32:44
Jo
yeah
00:32:46
Amelie
So without knowing, she's like saying to Barry, this is what it is to be a human, to feel this emotion.
00:32:52
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:54
Amelie
But because she just like full on in the acting thing, she's like saying, oh, yeah, you can use it for your tool kit. It's really great.
00:33:01
Jo
ye
00:33:01
Amelie
That's what being an actor is. And she's like, I don't think I can do it. And she's like, oh, yes, you can. You know, we're going to help you out and you're going to make sense and stuff. That's why you are in the class.
00:33:12
Amelie
And I'm like, that's very brilliant writing because this is why you are in the class to learn how to be a human.
00:33:18
Jo
yeah
00:33:18
Amelie
to have emotional feelings, to express yourself because you're just a robot. We asked you to kill, you kill. We asked you to to go to Afghanistan, you go to Afghanistan, right?
00:33:28
Jo
Yep. Yep.
00:33:29
Amelie
And there it's like, welcome, it's time to become a human, you know?
00:33:30
Jo
Yep.
00:33:34
Jo
And that's exactly it. and I'm glad you brought that up. Like Barry's not learning to act because he wants to be a famous actor.
00:33:41
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:33:41
Jo
Barry is learning how to act because he wants to feel something.
00:33:45
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:33:46
Jo
And he's like, oh, he's like doing it for art. Like, oh, I can actually feel something. I can be someone I'm not. He's very unhappy of being the person he is. so he can try to have a life, and even that if that's trying to act like a life.
00:33:58
Jo
And if you want to go back to like the old Dexter original series, where Dexter learns all these things to fit in and just try to feel something.
00:34:02
Amelie
Yeah.
00:34:08
Jo
And that's that's kind of where Barry is. And at this point, we don't know if Barry was always this way or if Afghanistan made him this way or a combination of both. We don't really know yet, but we know he's trying.
00:34:20
Amelie
Yeah.
00:34:20
Jo
He's really trying.
00:34:21
Amelie
There is a lot of similarity with Dexter. Number um da they don't feel emotion whatsoever.
Character Dynamics and Comparisons
00:34:30
Amelie
Killing is normal.
00:34:32
Amelie
For Dexter, he needs to kill to feel good.
00:34:32
Jo
yeah
00:34:36
Amelie
And for Barry, it's just a job. They both have a girlfriend who was victim of...
00:34:44
Jo
Misunderstand. Yeah, victim.
00:34:45
Amelie
Yeah, victim of...
00:34:45
Jo
Yeah. Both girlfriends victims, right?
00:34:48
Amelie
Yeah, right? However...
00:34:49
Jo
Yeah.
00:34:51
Amelie
Dexca's girlfriend, I really like her because she's a mother, she's a hard worker, she worked to get her family out of trouble. And I don't like Sally because she's very self-centered.
00:35:04
Amelie
She's...
00:35:04
Jo
Yeah, and she's, you think she's self-centered because she is in that, she's an actress in that program and most people, sorry, my mic again, most people there are self-centered.
00:35:16
Jo
Like most people in that particular acting program with Henry Winkler or Gene, right, are self-centered people.
00:35:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:35:23
Jo
They're all individuals screaming, I want to be the new star.
00:35:24
Amelie
But
00:35:29
Amelie
now,
00:35:29
Jo
I want to be the new, you know, not a new good actor, not a good actress. I want to be a new star. And then you even see that reflected in Gene where he wants to be the biggest and best.
00:35:41
Jo
Not as an actor. He always just wants his name up in lights. like it's doing And the teacher's teaching that.
00:35:48
Amelie
Because at the end of the episode, when Barry woke to the door, Sally, she's like, stop, I think it's a bad idea.
00:35:53
Jo
Yes.
00:35:56
Amelie
You think it's a bad idea? Yeah, I think it's a bad idea, you know, having sex ah ah between friends.
00:36:00
Jo
And Barry's like, sex? What the fuck are you talking about?
00:36:01
Amelie
So it's like, okay, cool, cool. There's no problem. There's no problem. Oh, that's great.
00:36:07
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:07
Amelie
Yeah, because no, I was not thinking about that. Oh, you are not thinking about that? Yeah, I was just ah walking you to your door.
00:36:15
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:16
Amelie
Oh, okay. you You're weird.
00:36:19
Jo
Which is brilliant.
00:36:19
Amelie
You're not the other, right?
00:36:21
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:22
Amelie
So, yeah, farewell, good night. And it just turns like, hey, you didn't want to come to my flat to talk about why it's not a good thing to have sex?
00:36:34
Amelie
And I'm like, at that moment, I watch the TV and I'm like, woman, you're serious? You're really serious now? Like, that's why I don't like her because she cut the brunette twice, because she's self-centered.
00:36:40
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:46
Amelie
because it's me, me, me, me.
00:36:48
Jo
ye
00:36:48
Amelie
And because she's like, oh no, I don't think we we should have sex, you and I. Yeah, no, I just walked to your door, but you don't want to have a drink and talk about why there's a reason we shouldn't have sex, right?
00:36:54
Jo
yeah
00:37:01
Amelie
Like...
00:37:02
Jo
Yeah. But that that's the perfect way of handling someone like that is just to do what Barry did and kind of go like, yeah, no, I wasn't thinking about sex at all. Why would I?
00:37:12
Amelie
Yeah.
00:37:13
Jo
is is directed It's a direct ego attack saying like, it wasn't even my fucking vocabulary to having sex with you.
00:37:19
Amelie
Yeah.
00:37:20
Jo
And that just you fleet that deflates her ego, that defeats her a bit to the point where she's like, oh yeah, I'm fine. fuck We're going to have sex one time. You know? But and for Barry, Barry, we're to find out more on the next episode of Barry, see how where that goes.
00:37:38
Jo
But we're going to find out just how damaged Barry really is. And like you were saying, Barry is maybe like a teenage emotionally. Maybe. I think that we're going to find that out. So yeah, this this episode, it has its weird parts.
00:37:52
Jo
I think it starts strong and ends strong. And then the middle, like the the the one, the part of the cop, whatever. But I do like the the dynamics between Barry and Fuchs kind of developing as the father figure, the manipulative father figure at that.
00:38:08
Amelie
Oh, especially the scene when he's like, Barry, I need to protect you. I promised your father because he saved my life in Vietnam.
00:38:15
Jo
I'm protecting you. Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:38:21
Amelie
And you look at him, he's like, no, during Vietnam. Yeah, well, it so was America during the 60s, you know, like, and you're like, already that.
00:38:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:38:29
Amelie
That, say everything. No, you you weren you you you weren't in Nam, dude. You were in America and somewhere else completely different.
00:38:29
Jo
yeah
00:38:37
Jo
yeah Yeah, and and
Bill Hader's Creative Journey
00:38:39
Jo
that's the thing. like We're going to see more of that happen, and this is part of Hayter's brilliance. And this is apparently in Bill Hayter's second writing credit. The first one was the pilot episode. This is like his second writing credit.
00:38:50
Jo
And he's, well, obviously he's written his stuff for Saturday Night Live for sketches and stuff like that, but this blows me away by how much work he had to put into really holding this shit in and how much faith HBO had to go like, yeah, we'll buy this from you.
00:39:00
Amelie
you
00:39:04
Jo
Like how much faith HBO had to have in him. to to do this and he fucking pay them off. Oh my God. It big award-winning series like the viewers in the millions. It's fucking bizarre.
00:39:17
Amelie
No, I think it's networking.
00:39:18
Jo
You know?
00:39:19
Amelie
He worked with SNL for many, many years. He had contact with other writers and also producers and With SNL, you meet a lot of actors, writers, people.
00:39:32
Amelie
You get a sort of reputation.
00:39:35
Jo
Right.
00:39:35
Amelie
And once you pass SNL, it's like a big university. It's a big class. You become famous. Plus, the dude was known for Stéphane.
00:39:42
Jo
Right.
00:39:44
Amelie
i He worked as a writer for many, many, many people.
00:39:48
Jo
right
00:39:48
Amelie
Knew a lot of people. you know Makeup artist, filmmaker, scenarist. So I don't think it was That easy, of course, but I think for the first season, yeah, pretty, I would say 75% easier than you think.
00:40:08
Jo
I don't think this is easy at all. I think having his series is fucking hard work and tremendously, you know, I don't know. I don't think this was easy for him. Maybe I'm fucking wrong.
00:40:18
Amelie
It's a challenge. It's a challenge for sure, but I think but i think SNL, networking, people around,
00:40:18
Jo
I didn't speak to him.
00:40:20
Jo
Maybe I'll talk to Bill one day and say, hey, was it easy to do? Okay.
00:40:26
Amelie
who know him, who wanted to invest with him, etc., and negotiate, I think, you know, they They try.
00:40:33
Jo
but
00:40:34
Amelie
say try
00:40:35
Jo
so Maybe, maybe. So next time, we're going to talk about episode three. che I think to do with chapters for Barry. So chapter three, make the unsafe choice, and we'll see how Barry grows or not, and see what happens between him and Sally.
00:40:49
Amelie
o
00:40:50
Jo
Ooh, that lies. And what happens to Fuchs? Does he have teeth left? Who knows? All this more on the next week. Yay! Bye, everyone. From myself, Joe, and Emily. Bye-byes.
00:41:02
Amelie
Bye-bye.
00:41:03
Jo
And next week, Lesley and Gomez.
00:41:06
Amelie
Yes. But you like to disagree with me, so that's good.
00:41:09
Jo
I'm
00:41:18
Jo
just cutting my bird hear a cat. Meow. Bye, everyone.